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 - Good afternoon, everyone.

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 We will get started with the sixth meeting

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 of the Community and Protective Services

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 Committee.

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 To start, we will do a land acknowledgement.

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 The City of London is situated on the traditional

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 lands

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 of the Anishinaabek, Haudenosaunee, Lanapuik, and

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 Adewandran.

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 We honor and respect the history, languages,

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 and culture of the diverse indigenous people

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 who call this territory home.

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 The City of London is currently home

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 to many First Nations, Métis, and Inuit today.

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 As representatives of the people of the city of

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 London,

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 we are grateful to have the opportunity to work

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 and live in this territory.

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 I'm joined today in chambers by members of the

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 committee,

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 myself, Councilor Perbal, Councilor Trozzo,

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 Councilor Hopkins, and Councilor Ferreira,

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 and Mayor Morgan as an ex-ficial member,

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 and then many members of Councilor joining us

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 including Councilor Frank and Councilor Cutty,

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 and I'm sure some may pop online as well.

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 So with that, we'll go to item one for

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 disclosures

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 of pecuniary interest,

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 and I'm gonna go to Councilor Pervall after that.

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 Any disclosures of pecuniary interest?

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 Okay, seeing none, I'm going to go to Councilor

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 Pervall

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 for a change of order.

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 - Thank you, Chair, and as you just stated,

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 I would like to change, propose the change of

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 on the other agenda, and I would actually like to

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 start

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 with the point six, which is the confidential

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 to start our meeting with, thank you.

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 - Thank you, I'll look for a seconder.

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 I have a seconder and Councillor Ferrera, thank

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 you.

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 And with that, we'll just get that ready for the

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 Okay, so we will open that in the system

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 for every vote.

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 - That's a vote, yes.

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 - We're still.

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 - I'll vote yes as well.

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 - You're jumping ahead of us, we're almost there,

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 hold on.

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 - Vote is open.

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 - Closing the vote, the motion carries, 6-0.

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 - Okay, thank you.

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 For those in the gallery,

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 that means we're going to go into confidential

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 before we begin the rest of our meetings.

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 So I'll ask you to clear the gallery

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 and once this proceeding is done,

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 we will call everybody back in, okay?

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 Thanks for your help.

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 - Recording in progress.

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 - Okay, thank you to everyone in the gallery

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 for your patience, very much appreciated.

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 I will ask Councilor Perble to report out from in

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 camera.

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 - Thank you, Chair, and I would like to report

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 that this committee went into the closed session

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 to discuss 6.1 confidential information supplied

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 by Canada Province Territory Crown Agency of same

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 6.2 land acquisition,

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 consolidated client privilege, six points free,

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 security of property, and I would like to report

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 that progress has been made in all three, thank

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 - Thank you, that moves us to consent.

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 I've been asked to pull 2.6,

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 any others that people would like to have pulled.

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 Okay, seeing none, I'm looking for a motion by

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 for all the rest of the items to be put on the

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 to have a mover and seconder.

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 Councillor Hopkins, Councillor Ferrera, thank you

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 Any discussion on these items?

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 - Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair.

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 and figurative staff for these reports,

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 these consent items.

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 let me see now.

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 2.5 broke that to 3,000 affordable housing units.

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 It was an update that we were given.

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 I think anything that we can do to save these

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 is what I heard in the report and very supportive

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 of that.

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 As it relates to the 2.3, the report back on rank

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 to income, the information update.

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 I want to thank staff for the information.

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 It looks like we have made some positive impacts,

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 given the challenges with funding and the

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 and rising homelessness and affordable housing.

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 - Maybe through you, Madam Chair,

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 Where do we go with this update?

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 And if you could speak to the pilot project

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 to that the city's undertaking, thank you.

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 - Thank you, I will go to Mr. Cooper.

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 - Thank you and through you, Madam Chair.

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 The report before committee was an update report

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 as we had indicated from a report in September

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 2024.

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 So one piece I think the Councillor asked about

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 was a pilot project our housing stability

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 services teams are working with right now and our

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 life stabilization teams and that project

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 right now is to support individuals who are on

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 our wait list and who are in our community

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 housing system to complete their annual reviews.

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 working and going to be working closely

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 with our life stabilization team case workers to

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 ensure that individuals don't lose their

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 subsidy because of uncompleted paperwork. So that

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's one piece that our teams are collaborating

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 together to ensure that some housing stability

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 for individuals that are in and on the waitlist

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 for community housing. Councillor Hopkins. Yeah,

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 good to hear that there's further work

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 being undertaken. So thank you. Thank you.

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 Palosa online. I'm just looking to members of

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 committee before I go to visiting Councillors.

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 Councilor Ferreira. Thank you, Chair. My question

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 section 37 that was removed by the province.

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 I wanted to know. So it looks like the report is

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 focusing on the 191 eligible units. I just

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 want to confirm that. Is that where this report

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 to potentially see something back from staff to

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 And three, Madam Chair.

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 That's correct, Councillor.

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 If you look at the two recommendations that we

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 that would be eligible under the dollars to door

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 CIP and meet that criteria.

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 to retain those as affordable as well.

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 - Councillor.

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 - Okay, thank you for that.

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 coming in, not the ones that have already been

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 realistically recoverable, like which are most at

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 of falling away entirely and which ones or how

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 if staff can answer would be able to be actually

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 - Mr. Felberg.

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 - Madam Chair, Mr. Pease can give a little update

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 on how the status of some of those projects.

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 - Thank you through the chair.

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 and the reactivated could be market driven,

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 to bring those back and getting them to an active

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 So I do see that the ones that are eligible

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 roadmap as it is.

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 - Thank you and through you Madam Chair.

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 So yes, that's correct.

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 I'll meet that criteria, but what we'll be

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 is we'll meet with those individual developers

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 and work with them to bring them on

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 to see if there's an opportunity to provide them

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 with the incentive, lock in that affordability

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 for 25 years and ensure that those projects

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 are developed and those units are then available.

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 and kind of just making sure that the owners

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 who have these approved applications as they are

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 know that this exists.

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 I would also say it's a shame that we lost

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 the bonus provisioning, but in I guess the world

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 that we're living in, we need to maintain

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 or actually build more affordable housing as it

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 So good work on that and I'll be supportive of

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 - Thank you.

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 I have Councillor Palazzo next.

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 - Thank you Madam Chair.

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 with White Oak Heritage Housing Cooperative.

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 And I thank you to Mr. Felberg and his staff.

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 This one as the report says was many meetings

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 and that was accurate, met with them myself

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 and then happy to tag team that's one

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 with Mr. Felberg and his team

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 the end-of-life transition is a little bit

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 different once people do pay off their properties

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 and making sure that these really great mix of

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 affordable units and RGI's up to 37 of them

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 stay within our community and this well-

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established cooperative housing and what we can do

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 to support

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 them through it to make sure that they are

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 financially strong and viable in offering

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 high quality residences to Ludgerner. So just

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 thank you for this one. This one was

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 behind the scenes, a lot of heavy lifting to

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 respectfully meet with their board and their

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 staff to make sure we got to a place that we can

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 bring this report forward, fully supportive of it

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 and just thank you to the team as I do believe

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 they went over and above on this one. So thank

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 you as the word Councillor. Thank you. I will go

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 coming back to item 2.5, the road map to 3,000.

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 I'm just wondering if staff could refresh my

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 dollars to doors, CIP, is that half funding?

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 - Mr. Palberg.

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 - Thank you and through you Madam Chair.

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 No, it's actually road map funding.

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 So not funded through half.

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 - Councillor?

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 - Thank you.

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 And so my math, if there's 191 units

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 but we imagine probably that not all 191 will

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 Do we have an estimate of what percentage of 191

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 would proceed?

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 - Mr. Felper.

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 - Through you, Madam Chair.

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 So I'd like to think that all 191 will proceed

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 as affordable and that's what we'll be targeting.

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 and they're interested in it.

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 all of them into the dollars to do RCIB.

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 - Councilor Frank.

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 - Thank you.

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 And is there a cap on the roadmap funding?

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 use buildings.

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 I think that's an incredible use of space

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 and good for everyone.

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 if this potential 8.5 million would be better

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 which I hear from nonprofits say that, you know,

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 the 45,000 is nice, but it's not enough sometimes

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 for them to do the math to build the buildings

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 is there a cap on the roadmap funding?

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 - Mr. Felberg.

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 - Thank you, and through you Madam Chair,

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 there is currently no cap in the CIP for the

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 then we would fund, and they met the criteria

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 then we would fund all hundred units of that.

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 we are still retaining affordable units in the

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 across the housing continuum.

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 - Councillor Frank.

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 - Thank you.

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 - Councillor Hawkins.

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 - Yeah, thank you.

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 in the report back,

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 will we be given all that information to council

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 so we can understand exactly what these dollars

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 and what the commitment is

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 from the development community as well?

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 Just wanted to know what we can expect with the

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 framework.

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 - Mr. Palberg.

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 - Thank you and to you, Madam Chair.

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 - So yes, what we'd be looking to report back is

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 through those conversations with the development

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 what we've identified as an option for that 173,

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 we would also highlight that there is the total

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 for the roadmap, what the funds have been used

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 for the number of units that we provided,

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 and generally where they are,

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 we provided a map in the February 17th update

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 of where all the affordable projects were across

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 So those types of things would be things

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 that we'd be bringing back to this council.

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 Thank you, looking for other speakers on these

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 items.

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 Seeing none, we'll open the items for consent.

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 Everything except for 2.6.

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 Closing the vote, the motion carries six to zero.

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 Thank you, that takes us to item 4.1,

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 the Parks and Recreation Master Plan 2026 update

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 preliminary findings.

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 We have a presentation from staff first,

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 and then we have a request for delegation.

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 I'll deal with the presentation and then look for

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 a request

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 to hear the delegation, which will be online.

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 Ms. Stan, thank you so much for joining us today

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 for presentation, excellent.

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 - All right, well, good afternoon,

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 and thank you for the opportunity to present.

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 Today, I'll be walking you through the

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 preliminary findings

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 of the Parks and Recreation Master Plan 2026

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 update.

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 The goal for today's presentation is to summarize

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 what we heard through the fall

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 Let's Talk Parks Community Engagement.

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 Provide an update on emerging directions

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 and take your questions before releasing this

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 information

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 for a second round of public engagement.

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 London's Parks and Recreation Master Plan serves

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 strategic roadmap to guide decisions on parks,

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 recreation facilities and

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 services, ensuring alignment with evolving

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 community needs. The city last

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 updated the plan in 2019 and since then we've

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 seen notable changes including

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 continued population growth and increased demand

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 for parks and green space. The

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 2026 Parks and Recreation Master Plan update will

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 guide the city towards 2042

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 and a population of over 590,000 people. It's

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 also important to note that this

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 work has been scoped to build on and refine the

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 2019 recommendations, strengthening direction

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 on parks policy development and updating capital

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 priorities to inform the 2028 development

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 charges background study. The 2019 plan is

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 anchored in a clear vision developed in

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 consultation

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 with the community through the previous master

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 plan process. Both the vision and goals which

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 are aligned with the framework for recreation and

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 parks in Canada remain consistent in this

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 update with the specific focus on goal four

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 supportive environments which addresses parks

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 and recreation capital needs required to serve

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 our growing population this update has involved

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 several city departments led by parks long-range

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 planning and design and an external consulting

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 team led by london based montieth brown planning

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 consultants a great deal of research has gone

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 into understanding community needs participation

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 trends best practices leading policy approaches

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 and growth requirements. We're currently in the

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 final phase of the project

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 which includes sharing preliminary findings and

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 emerging directions for

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 public review. Throughout March and April we have

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 been

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 meeting with advisory committees and during April

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 and May

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 we will be inviting residents to share their

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 thoughts on the preliminary

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 findings, provide input on emerging directions,

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 and let us know if there's anything we may have

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 missed.

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 This engagement will support bringing forward a

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 final plan this summer that

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 reflects community input. Community engagement

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 has been and will

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 continue to be a key component of this work. So

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 far, we've heard from residents and stakeholders

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 through surveys, open houses, pop-up consultation

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, and other input opportunities. Through the

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 first round of consultation, over 2,200 surveys

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 were completed, providing a strong foundation

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 for future planning. The next slides provide a

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 few highlights about what we've learned from

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 Londoners. Now it's clear, residents value parks,

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 trails, pathways with nearly all indicating that

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 they are important to quality of life. However,

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 perceptions of safety and inclusion were mixed.

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 About 65 percent field parks are safe and

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 welcoming. Key improvement areas identified

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 include maintenance, addressing encampments, and

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 increased enforcement. Now residents primarily

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 use local neighborhoods, highlighting the

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 importance of proximity and walkability. The

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 survey results

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 highlight that the largest gap between

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 satisfaction and importance is relating to

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 amenities such as

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 washrooms, drinking fountains, and other comfort

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 features. Feedback identifies

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 suggestions for improved access, cleanliness, and

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 safety, and with support for

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 more inclusive options like universal bathrooms.

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 There's also an interest in

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 better winter maintenance, including cleared

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 paths and access to waste

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 facilities in support of year-round use. There's

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 a strong interest in making parks

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 more accessible, inclusive for all ages and

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 abilities. For example, residents are

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 looking for more inclusive playgrounds with

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 accessible surfaces and equipment that appeal

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 to a wider range of users. There's also clear

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 support for protecting natural areas with caution

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 against recreational uses that could compromise

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 environmental features. And finally, partners

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 such as school boards and conservation

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 authorities expressed openness to collaborations

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 that

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 expand access to parks and green space. And as

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 noted, the master plan update provides

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 focus on supportive environments and growth

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 related infrastructure. A series of

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 recommendations

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 have been prepared and organized into four key

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 themes. I'll briefly speak to each of these

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 and share some of our emerging recommendations.

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 Now the first theme focuses on modernizing how

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 parks are planned, classified, and delivered.

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 This includes updating the city's park

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 classification

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 system and implying clearer design and service

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 standards based on park type. There's also a

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 strong

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 emphasis on equitable access by prioritizing park

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land in growth areas and underserved neighborhoods

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 and by aligning policies to maximize parkland

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 dedication. The plan supports a multifaceted

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 approach to parkland acquisition including

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 development, partnership, and strategic purchases

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 along with exploring a future regional park.

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 Finally it emphasizes creating a more connected

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 system of parks, trails, and national areas

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 across the city. This theme focuses on creating

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 parks that are inclusive, flexible, and

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 responsive to community needs.

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 It emphasizes universal design and equitable

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 access, ensuring parks are welcoming and usable

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 for people of all ages, abilities, and

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 backgrounds.

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 There is also a strong focus on comfort and

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 safety through thoughtful design elements

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 like shade, seating, and amenities that support

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 longer visits.

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 From an environmental perspective, the plan

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 promotes sustainable and climate resilient

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 design, including green infrastructure, and

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 protecting ecological functions.

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 And finally, it highlights the importance of

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 ongoing community involvement and partnerships,

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 including working with indigenous communities and

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 supporting local stewardship.

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 This theme emphasizes planning and investing in

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 facilities to meet current and future needs.

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 Key priorities include maintaining service levels

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 with population growth and addressing

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 geographic graphs to develop the proposed 2027-20

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42 capital program.

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 There's a strong focus on enhancing unprogrammed

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 spaces, such as gathering areas, washrooms,

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 community gardens, and inclusive playgrounds.

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 The plan also calls for proactive planning for

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 emerging and specialized facilities, including

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 off-leash dog areas and sport facilities for

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 growing activities like pickleball and cricket.

554
00:51:12,270 --> 00:51:14,490
 And then finally, using a population-based

555
00:51:14,490 --> 00:51:16,720
 provision target approach, the plan promotes

556
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:19,840
 strategic expansion of recreation infrastructure,

557
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,650
 including multi-use recreation centers, arenas

558
00:51:22,650 --> 00:51:25,470
 and gymnasiums, ensuring capacity aligns with

559
00:51:25,470 --> 00:51:30,240
 growth and community demand.

560
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:32,220
 And finally, the fourth theme encourages

561
00:51:32,220 --> 00:51:34,740
 collaboration and strategic funding to expand

562
00:51:34,740 --> 00:51:35,610
 access to parks

563
00:51:35,610 --> 00:51:37,560
 and recreation facilities.

564
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,010
 The plan encourages partnerships with school

565
00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:43,250
 boards, public agencies, community organizations,

566
00:51:43,250 --> 00:51:46,390
 and private sector, such as shared use agreements

567
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:48,600
 and co-located facilities.

568
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,920
 On the funding side, it emphasizes financial

569
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,560
 sustainability, leveraging development charges

570
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,430
 and other tools regularly assessing project

571
00:51:56,430 --> 00:51:58,680
 affordability and accelerating investments

572
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:03,870
 to keep pace with growth and rising costs.

573
00:52:03,870 --> 00:52:05,770
 Now following today's presentation, we will

574
00:52:05,770 --> 00:52:07,640
 incorporate your feedback and launch phase

575
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,980
 two of our public engagement, which will seek

576
00:52:09,980 --> 00:52:12,250
 resident input on the preliminary findings

577
00:52:12,250 --> 00:52:15,780
 of the master plan update through open houses and

578
00:52:15,780 --> 00:52:18,810
 online opportunities for feedback.

579
00:52:18,810 --> 00:52:20,810
 We're targeting July 13th to be back in front of

580
00:52:20,810 --> 00:52:22,410
 this committee to seek approval of the

581
00:52:22,410 --> 00:52:24,120
 final master plan.

582
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,970
 So thank you for the opportunity to provide an

583
00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:27,800
 update, and I welcome many questions or

584
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,530
 feedback.

585
00:52:30,530 --> 00:52:43,100
 Thank you.

586
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:44,110
 Okay.

587
00:52:44,110 --> 00:52:46,760
 So I will entertain questions on the presentation

588
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,580
, and then we will go to our speaker who's joining

589
00:52:49,580 --> 00:52:53,760
 us remotely.

590
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,470
 Councillor Ferrera.

591
00:52:55,470 --> 00:53:01,250
 Thank you, Chair.

592
00:53:01,250 --> 00:53:04,870
 Thank you for the presentation, Ms. Dan, wherever

593
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:06,970
 you may have gone, issues.

594
00:53:06,970 --> 00:53:08,710
 I just, I appreciate the presentation.

595
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:09,700
 I appreciate the report.

596
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:12,200
 I just wanted to ask if there's any consideration

597
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,760
 about the, I guess, the Canada, the Canadian

598
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,730
 federal government initiative for the National

599
00:53:18,730 --> 00:53:21,260
 Urban Parks, if there's any consideration

600
00:53:21,260 --> 00:53:24,830
 for that to be part of the Parks and Rec Master

601
00:53:24,830 --> 00:53:27,680
 Plan.

602
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:28,950
 Ms. Stan.

603
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:31,320
 Yes, and through the chair, I think we'd be

604
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,430
 looking for any sort of opportunities to

605
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:35,920
 be able to partake in any funding or other types

606
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,280
 of programs that are federally invited.

607
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,070
 One of the things that I mentioned in the

608
00:53:40,070 --> 00:53:42,200
 presentation was the potential for a future

609
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,090
 regional park, which would be a great opportunity

610
00:53:44,090 --> 00:53:45,680
 to take advantage of that type of program.

611
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,230
 Councillor Peri.

612
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:49,400
 Okay, that's all.

613
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,790
 for the report, thank you for the presentation.

614
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:54,230
 - Thank you, Councillor Hopkins,

615
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:58,630
 and Councillor Troso, and then Councillor Frank.

616
00:53:58,630 --> 00:54:00,910
 - Yeah, through you, Madam Chair, to staff,

617
00:54:00,910 --> 00:54:02,360
 thank you for the presentation.

618
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,790
 I've been looking forward to this report or

619
00:54:05,790 --> 00:54:07,130
 update.

620
00:54:07,130 --> 00:54:09,950
 So my first question is going to be around dog

621
00:54:09,950 --> 00:54:10,540
 parks.

622
00:54:10,540 --> 00:54:13,600
 So I represent a ward that is a growing ward,

623
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,740
 and for many, many years, dog parks

624
00:54:15,740 --> 00:54:18,330
 have always been a conversation.

625
00:54:18,330 --> 00:54:20,360
 Yeah, they'll like them or you don't like them,

626
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,690
 But I understand we are looking at two dog parts.

627
00:54:23,690 --> 00:54:26,240
 We still have not found a site yet.

628
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,730
 But as we go through further public engagement,

629
00:54:29,730 --> 00:54:32,580
 I'm just wondering what the question

630
00:54:32,580 --> 00:54:36,300
 is going to be around dog parks.

631
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:38,280
 Are we looking at other options?

632
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,210
 Or are we going to look at the sites

633
00:54:40,210 --> 00:54:44,340
 that we know we need with the growing population

634
00:54:44,340 --> 00:54:47,490
 that just want to know where we can go?

635
00:54:47,490 --> 00:54:51,050
 I think more information that the community has

636
00:54:51,050 --> 00:54:53,920
 when it comes to these parks is important.

637
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,730
 So thank you.

638
00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:57,450
 - Ms. Stan.

639
00:54:57,450 --> 00:54:58,790
 - Yes, and through the chair,

640
00:54:58,790 --> 00:55:00,170
 we had some really positive feedback,

641
00:55:00,170 --> 00:55:01,690
 a lots of information that we received

642
00:55:01,690 --> 00:55:03,430
 from the public about dog parks.

643
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:05,060
 What we heard was there was a high level of

644
00:55:05,060 --> 00:55:05,680
 satisfaction

645
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,660
 with the dog parks that we do have.

646
00:55:07,660 --> 00:55:09,420
 But in terms of importance, it was mixed

647
00:55:09,420 --> 00:55:11,710
 because we have folks with dogs and folks without

648
00:55:11,710 --> 00:55:12,300
 dogs.

649
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:14,010
 We did see that there was a desire

650
00:55:14,010 --> 00:55:15,690
 for dog-related supports.

651
00:55:15,690 --> 00:55:18,970
 We heard considerable advocacy for enforcement

652
00:55:18,970 --> 00:55:21,800
 related to off-leash areas in like off-leash

653
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:22,360
 activities

654
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,120
 in undesirable areas.

655
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,760
 So that's something to carry forward.

656
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,150
 In terms of the preliminary recommendations,

657
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:30,440
 you're correct that based on our provision

658
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:30,670
 targets,

659
00:55:30,670 --> 00:55:33,430
 we are showing two additional new dog parks

660
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:35,780
 to be constructed in the 15 year period.

661
00:55:35,780 --> 00:55:39,100
 We are also exploring creative approaches

662
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:41,020
 to maybe address increased demand

663
00:55:41,020 --> 00:55:42,740
 through our existing park system.

664
00:55:42,740 --> 00:55:44,640
 So this could be done through potentially

665
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:45,050
 updating

666
00:55:45,050 --> 00:55:47,210
 our off leash dog strategy.

667
00:55:47,210 --> 00:55:48,530
 As part of that process,

668
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:52,560
 we would also look at maybe identifying standards

669
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,240
 and selection criteria for new sites.

670
00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:56,880
 And that would help us determine what are the

671
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:57,320
 best places

672
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,230
 to be able to site dog parks going forward.

673
00:55:59,230 --> 00:56:02,070
 So I think through that process we'd be able to

674
00:56:02,070 --> 00:56:02,270
 come up

675
00:56:02,270 --> 00:56:04,230
 with a way of determining the best locations,

676
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:06,500
 geographically based based on those gaps.

677
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:08,790
 And then when it comes time to design any dog

678
00:56:08,790 --> 00:56:09,020
 park,

679
00:56:09,020 --> 00:56:10,380
 just like any parks project,

680
00:56:10,380 --> 00:56:12,390
 we would go through our typical community

681
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:13,220
 engagement process

682
00:56:13,220 --> 00:56:15,580
 as part of the design.

683
00:56:15,580 --> 00:56:16,500
 - Councillor Hopkins.

684
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:17,650
 - Yeah, that's a follow up.

685
00:56:17,650 --> 00:56:19,490
 So we're not exactly there yet.

686
00:56:19,490 --> 00:56:21,720
 I know we've got further public engagement.

687
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:24,060
 So you're looking for more options.

688
00:56:24,060 --> 00:56:26,370
 So I'm hoping the community will come out

689
00:56:26,370 --> 00:56:27,810
 and give their feedback.

690
00:56:27,810 --> 00:56:29,680
 I think that's really important.

691
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,110
 I understand, and I would like to confirm through

692
00:56:33,110 --> 00:56:33,210
 you,

693
00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:37,760
 Madam Chair, that our engagement in-person

694
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:38,710
 session,

695
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:43,310
 I think is April 30th at Fleetway is that correct

696
00:56:43,310 --> 00:56:43,650
?

697
00:56:43,650 --> 00:56:45,840
 Is that sort of for sure?

698
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,460
 And I know we have a virtual as well,

699
00:56:47,460 --> 00:56:50,630
 but I do think the conversation in the community

700
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:51,780
 is really important.

701
00:56:51,780 --> 00:56:56,310
 And last question, with the final report coming

702
00:56:56,310 --> 00:56:56,570
 back,

703
00:56:56,570 --> 00:57:00,610
 will we have more information about dog parks?

704
00:57:00,610 --> 00:57:02,470
 I don't want to put stuff on the spot,

705
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:06,000
 but I just want to kind of save some questions

706
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,610
 that I know I'm going to be asking at the end,

707
00:57:08,610 --> 00:57:11,060
 asking them now.

708
00:57:11,060 --> 00:57:12,260
 - Ms. Stan.

709
00:57:12,260 --> 00:57:14,540
 Yes, who'd the plan public engagement for round

710
00:57:14,540 --> 00:57:14,650
 two?

711
00:57:14,650 --> 00:57:16,650
 We will be having both an online webinar

712
00:57:16,650 --> 00:57:18,440
 and an in-person engagement.

713
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,080
 We are doing a little bit of shifting with the

714
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:20,240
 dates,

715
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,230
 but we'll be releasing those dates shortly

716
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:24,840
 and doing a media release to promote the

717
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:25,300
 engagement,

718
00:57:25,300 --> 00:57:26,740
 make sure people are aware of it,

719
00:57:26,740 --> 00:57:28,420
 but that is coming up both in-person

720
00:57:28,420 --> 00:57:30,530
 and online opportunities for engagement.

721
00:57:30,530 --> 00:57:32,810
 As far as the ultimate report that's gonna be

722
00:57:32,810 --> 00:57:33,460
 coming forward

723
00:57:33,460 --> 00:57:34,960
 to this committee in July,

724
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,930
 we'll be having a detailed section on each of the

725
00:57:36,930 --> 00:57:37,230
 areas

726
00:57:37,230 --> 00:57:39,680
 where we have a refined or updated

727
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:40,620
 recommendations

728
00:57:40,620 --> 00:57:41,900
 going forward for various features.

729
00:57:41,900 --> 00:57:44,810
 So you'll see the full input on what we heard

730
00:57:44,810 --> 00:57:48,170
 and what we're proposing for dog parks.

731
00:57:48,170 --> 00:57:49,430
 - Councillor?

732
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:52,070
 - Yeah, I'm looking forward to that strategy

733
00:57:52,070 --> 00:57:53,060
 coming to us

734
00:57:53,060 --> 00:57:57,070
 with the off-leash dog parks, thank you.

735
00:57:57,070 --> 00:58:03,680
 - Thank you, I'd Councillor Trosto next.

736
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,600
 - Thank you very much, this report was very

737
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:07,920
 helpful.

738
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,400
 There were a few gaps in it that I'd like to see

739
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:10,920
 Phil doe

740
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,480
 and I'm gonna talk about what's not in here,

741
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,740
 but I wanna emphasize that I think you've done a

742
00:58:15,740 --> 00:58:16,640
 good job

743
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:21,350
 in terms of covering many of the points

744
00:58:21,350 --> 00:58:24,240
 that I think members of the public are raising.

745
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,490
 I hear a lot of complaints about the lack of

746
00:58:27,490 --> 00:58:29,770
 regular picking

747
00:58:29,770 --> 00:58:30,510
 up of trash.

748
00:58:30,510 --> 00:58:33,620
 And I think that's just simply a matter of us

749
00:58:33,620 --> 00:58:36,220
 adjusting our budget to have more trash pickups.

750
00:58:36,220 --> 00:58:37,830
 I don't think that is going to require

751
00:58:37,830 --> 00:58:43,540
 a lot of capital improvements on your part.

752
00:58:43,540 --> 00:58:46,900
 My main concern is accessibility standards.

753
00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:50,240
 And in particular, I think that the report

754
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,640
 could have talked about AODA requirements

755
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,480
 in a little bit more detail.

756
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,890
 I think it's a potential weak point of,

757
00:58:59,890 --> 00:59:02,210
 and again, I'm raising this by way

758
00:59:02,210 --> 00:59:05,420
 of constructive criticism.

759
00:59:05,420 --> 00:59:09,580
 I think there is a danger in allowing a public

760
00:59:09,580 --> 00:59:10,850
 narrative

761
00:59:10,850 --> 00:59:15,440
 to shift into a sort of, we want accessible

762
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:15,900
 trails

763
00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:20,780
 and have that be in sort of contradiction

764
00:59:20,780 --> 00:59:27,050
 to other types of uses that I'm worried about

765
00:59:27,050 --> 00:59:27,390
 that.

766
00:59:27,390 --> 00:59:30,450
 But in particular, what I'm worried about

767
00:59:30,450 --> 00:59:34,360
 is our inability, and I think our failure up to

768
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:34,870
 now,

769
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:38,920
 to provide adequate public washrooms.

770
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,830
 And adequate public washrooms in a way

771
00:59:40,830 --> 00:59:42,750
 that are accessible.

772
00:59:42,750 --> 00:59:45,060
 Not just the people based on their economic

773
00:59:45,060 --> 00:59:45,750
 status,

774
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:50,850
 but based on people's disability status.

775
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,030
 And I'm hoping that when this report comes back

776
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:55,330
 to us.

777
00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:57,150
 And I know that you're just basing

778
00:59:57,150 --> 00:59:59,970
 what you're saying here on the feedback that you

779
00:59:59,970 --> 01:00:01,410
've gotten.

780
01:00:01,410 --> 01:00:06,400
 My sense is there is a lot of dissatisfaction

781
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:11,050
 and skepticism in the disability community right

782
01:00:11,050 --> 01:00:11,300
 now

783
01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:16,780
 about the ability of the city to live up

784
01:00:16,780 --> 01:00:21,220
 to its accessibility obligations under the AODA.

785
01:00:21,220 --> 01:00:26,580
 And if I don't see a lot of responses,

786
01:00:26,730 --> 01:00:30,430
 I always wonder, I always wonder about that.

787
01:00:30,430 --> 01:00:31,900
 So what I would like to urge you to do,

788
01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:34,330
 and I'm not gonna make any amendments,

789
01:00:34,330 --> 01:00:37,410
 I think the recommendation is fine.

790
01:00:37,410 --> 01:00:40,920
 But I just wanna talk about my own particular

791
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:41,890
 feeling

792
01:00:41,890 --> 01:00:46,800
 that yes, I wanna see more dog parks, I do, I

793
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:47,670
 really do.

794
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:48,790
 I wanna see more dog parks,

795
01:00:48,790 --> 01:00:52,290
 and I wanna see more pickleball courts too.

796
01:00:52,290 --> 01:00:55,230
 I think we probably have to spend more money,

797
01:00:55,230 --> 01:00:56,890
 and this is gonna come up in the multi-year

798
01:00:56,890 --> 01:00:57,220
 budget

799
01:00:57,220 --> 01:01:01,080
 that we get into with the new council.

800
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:06,330
 But as an immediate, immediate, I think emergency

801
01:01:06,330 --> 01:01:07,010
 problem,

802
01:01:07,010 --> 01:01:09,800
 we've got to do something about accessible

803
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:10,810
 restrooms

804
01:01:10,810 --> 01:01:14,120
 'cause some of them are just in such deplorable

805
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:19,440
 situations right now where they're not even open

806
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:20,660
 all the time.

807
01:01:20,660 --> 01:01:23,020
 It's a basic human right.

808
01:01:23,020 --> 01:01:25,040
 People have the right to use facilities

809
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,650
 and I think I'd like to see more stress on this.

810
01:01:27,650 --> 01:01:30,760
 So with that, I'll just again say thank you very

811
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,000
 much for this report and I hope that

812
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,850
 this is addressed in more detail.

813
01:01:34,850 --> 01:01:37,120
 Thank you.

814
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:38,070
 Thank you.

815
01:01:38,070 --> 01:01:40,680
 I had Councilor Frank next.

816
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:41,680
 Thank you.

817
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,390
 And I will be talking on a similar topic.

818
01:01:43,390 --> 01:01:45,670
 Also, there will be four pickleball courts in

819
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:48,730
 Thames Park, so keep your eye out for that.

820
01:01:48,730 --> 01:01:51,010
 Just in regards to the public washrooms, I'm just

821
01:01:51,010 --> 01:01:52,400
 wondering, well staff also then when

822
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,930
 all this comes back, be bringing a budget case to

823
01:01:54,930 --> 01:01:57,020
 multi-year budget, both for capital

824
01:01:57,020 --> 01:01:59,710
 and for operational for items that are identified

825
01:01:59,710 --> 01:02:00,600
 in this plan.

826
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,160
 And if public washrooms is one of them,

827
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,800
 will that come back as kind of like a omnibus

828
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:06,900
 budget case?

829
01:02:06,900 --> 01:02:09,120
 Or will things be separated out that we could see

830
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:10,480
?

831
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,760
 - Ms. Stan?

832
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:13,680
 - Yes, and through the chair.

833
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,680
 So I mentioned that the Parks McMaster plan

834
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,680
 is focusing on identifying those infrastructure

835
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:17,910
 gaps.

836
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:20,070
 So it has established provision targets

837
01:02:20,070 --> 01:02:22,860
 for public washrooms and identified new ones

838
01:02:22,860 --> 01:02:25,020
 to be installed over the 15-year period.

839
01:02:25,020 --> 01:02:27,210
 And also established standards

840
01:02:27,210 --> 01:02:29,890
 for how those should be going forward.

841
01:02:29,890 --> 01:02:32,180
 those elements are then funneled into the

842
01:02:32,180 --> 01:02:34,200
 development charges background study from a

843
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,210
 capital side on the operational side. It would be

844
01:02:37,210 --> 01:02:40,730
 a separate proposal operation strategy that would

845
01:02:40,730 --> 01:02:43,180
 come forward and have any associated business

846
01:02:43,180 --> 01:02:45,850
 cases with it to support those costs. So those

847
01:02:45,850 --> 01:02:47,740
 would go to separate streams. But the capital

848
01:02:47,740 --> 01:02:49,790
 side of it has been identified in terms of our

849
01:02:49,790 --> 01:02:51,910
 needs and that's been funneled into the DC

850
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:54,380
 background study and then separately we would

851
01:02:54,380 --> 01:02:56,410
 come forward with a different report on any

852
01:02:56,410 --> 01:02:57,550
 operational targets.

853
01:02:57,900 --> 01:03:01,130
 Councilor Frank. Thank you. Yes, I think that

854
01:03:01,130 --> 01:03:02,640
 will be very helpful. I know we've talked about

855
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:02,880
 public

856
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,150
 Washington's a lot this term, but I do think they

857
01:03:05,150 --> 01:03:07,400
 are very important in the community and in a

858
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,780
 great asset. So I appreciate the work on the rest

859
01:03:09,780 --> 01:03:13,170
 of the plan as well. Thank you, Councilor Perbal

860
01:03:13,170 --> 01:03:13,490
onex.

861
01:03:13,490 --> 01:03:16,730
 Thank you, sir, to Chair. It's a very crucial

862
01:03:16,730 --> 01:03:19,530
 plan ahead of us. And I, as I stated, when we

863
01:03:19,530 --> 01:03:22,060
 started, I do I do truly believe that this plan

864
01:03:22,060 --> 01:03:24,470
 will determine the quality of life of half and

865
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:27,090
 of Londoners and I certainly hope we do get it

866
01:03:27,090 --> 01:03:28,370
 right and we maximize our

867
01:03:28,370 --> 01:03:31,880
 opportunities. I love the point the leveraging

868
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,030
 partnerships and funding

869
01:03:33,030 --> 01:03:35,680
 solutions and again I hope we do maximize look at

870
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:36,700
 all the opportunities

871
01:03:36,700 --> 01:03:39,900
 because that means we are going to be saving the

872
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:41,050
 the local money from the

873
01:03:41,050 --> 01:03:44,480
 municipal coffers. One thing is one specific one

874
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:45,310
 and thank you for the

875
01:03:45,310 --> 01:03:48,140
 timelines and I did receive a feedback from my

876
01:03:48,140 --> 01:03:50,800
 constituents they did take the

877
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,090
 advantage of it and they want to provide the

878
01:03:53,090 --> 01:03:55,500
 feedback. There is one specific question which

879
01:03:55,500 --> 01:03:58,190
 Pickleball was already mentioned here and their

880
01:03:58,190 --> 01:04:00,610
 question is how will be determined that for

881
01:04:00,610 --> 01:04:01,240
 example

882
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:05,300
 current tennis courts will be potentially changed

883
01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:07,980
 into the sort of one court for tennis

884
01:04:07,980 --> 01:04:10,530
 to for Pickleball. How will we look at this? How

885
01:04:10,530 --> 01:04:13,120
 will we determine this? Thank you.

886
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:19,660
 So through the Parks and Rec Master Plan for

887
01:04:19,660 --> 01:04:21,970
 these emerging and what we're seeing a lot of

888
01:04:21,970 --> 01:04:23,750
 of high interest in certain things.

889
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:25,650
 I mentioned pickleball, I mentioned cricket,

890
01:04:25,650 --> 01:04:28,700
 and we have established provision targets for

891
01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:28,980
 those.

892
01:04:28,980 --> 01:04:31,360
 In our previous 2019, we didn't actually capture

893
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:32,710
 a provision target for pickleball.

894
01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:34,500
 So that's what's helping us determine

895
01:04:34,500 --> 01:04:37,400
 how much we need to plan for going forward

896
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,350
 in terms of ways that we would do that.

897
01:04:39,350 --> 01:04:41,180
 Either through building new or converting

898
01:04:41,180 --> 01:04:41,620
 existing,

899
01:04:41,620 --> 01:04:44,720
 I'll maybe pass it over to Mr. McGonigal.

900
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,950
 - Mr. McGonigal?

901
01:04:47,950 --> 01:04:49,510
 - Yeah, thank you, and through the chair,

902
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:52,340
 I guess I'll just note about tennis courts,

903
01:04:52,340 --> 01:04:54,900
 the provision target in the 2019 plan

904
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:58,330
 was one to 7,000 population.

905
01:04:58,330 --> 01:05:01,680
 What I would say is those numbers do get reset

906
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,070
 through this process.

907
01:05:03,070 --> 01:05:05,070
 And it's not just population growth,

908
01:05:05,070 --> 01:05:06,700
 but as you can appreciate it and was just

909
01:05:06,700 --> 01:05:06,900
 indicated

910
01:05:06,900 --> 01:05:08,540
 by the council, there is a change in

911
01:05:08,540 --> 01:05:10,090
 participation patterns

912
01:05:10,090 --> 01:05:12,330
 as well that you have to take into consideration.

913
01:05:12,330 --> 01:05:15,040
 And so you will see a new pickleball provision

914
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:15,400
 target

915
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,550
 come forward, which the city has never had.

916
01:05:17,550 --> 01:05:19,710
 And you will likely see a bit of a reduction

917
01:05:19,710 --> 01:05:22,020
 on the tennis court side based on the increase

918
01:05:22,020 --> 01:05:23,780
 in pickleball and the decrease in tennis.

919
01:05:23,780 --> 01:05:25,380
 - Thank you.

920
01:05:25,380 --> 01:05:26,910
 - Councilor Pribble.

921
01:05:26,910 --> 01:05:29,220
 - Thank you, one follow-ups through the chair.

922
01:05:29,220 --> 01:05:34,370
 When will we be seeing this new targets?

923
01:05:34,370 --> 01:05:36,180
 - Through the chair, those targets will be part

924
01:05:36,180 --> 01:05:37,980
 of the Parks and Rec Master Plan report

925
01:05:37,980 --> 01:05:40,710
 that we'll be bringing forward in July.

926
01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:43,000
 - Thank you very much, no more questions.

927
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,500
 - Thank you, okay, so this was just on the

928
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:46,390
 presentation.

929
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:48,620
 We still have a speaker who's awaiting his time

930
01:05:48,620 --> 01:05:52,120
 for delegation, if it's okay with the committee,

931
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,110
 I'd like to move to the delegation at this time,

932
01:05:54,110 --> 01:05:57,010
 then we'll come back for the motion, the report

933
01:05:57,010 --> 01:05:58,570
 and whatnot.

934
01:05:58,570 --> 01:06:01,700
 So I look for a mover and a seconder for the

935
01:06:01,700 --> 01:06:02,670
 delegation.

936
01:06:02,670 --> 01:06:06,150
 Councillor Hopkins, Councillor Proville, thank

937
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:06,750
 you.

938
01:06:06,750 --> 01:06:20,300
 And we will open the vote.

939
01:06:20,300 --> 01:06:23,950
 Closing the vote, the motion carries six to zero.

940
01:06:23,950 --> 01:06:26,400
 Thank you, with that, I will welcome Mr. Galloway

941
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:26,540
,

942
01:06:26,540 --> 01:06:29,160
 who's joining us online today.

943
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,440
 Mr. Galloway, you will have five minutes for your

944
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:32,230
 delegation.

945
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:35,090
 I will give you a warning at the 32nd mark,

946
01:06:35,090 --> 01:06:38,210
 and your topic is framed around the Parks and

947
01:06:38,210 --> 01:06:38,630
 Recreation

948
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:40,020
 Master Plan update.

949
01:06:40,020 --> 01:06:41,490
 You may begin.

950
01:06:41,490 --> 01:06:42,320
 - Thank you very much.

951
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,020
 Can you just confirm that you can hear me on your

952
01:06:44,020 --> 01:06:44,660
 end?

953
01:06:44,660 --> 01:06:46,570
 - We can hear you, thanks so much.

954
01:06:46,570 --> 01:06:48,480
 - That's amazing, okay, here I go.

955
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,220
 So thank you everyone for the opportunity to

956
01:06:50,220 --> 01:06:50,470
 speak

957
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:52,070
 about our delegation's concerns

958
01:06:52,070 --> 01:06:54,450
 in regards to the partnership, collaboration,

959
01:06:54,450 --> 01:06:55,850
 and inclusivity when it comes

960
01:06:55,850 --> 01:06:58,440
 to the West Lions skate park consultation process

961
01:06:58,440 --> 01:06:58,670
.

962
01:06:58,670 --> 01:06:59,930
 My name is Ken Galloway,

963
01:06:59,930 --> 01:07:01,940
 and I'm speaking on behalf of London skateboard

964
01:07:01,940 --> 01:07:03,810
 and broader action sports community.

965
01:07:03,810 --> 01:07:05,600
 And I come to you during a time of celebration

966
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:06,820
 for our community.

967
01:07:06,820 --> 01:07:10,370
 In 2024, we secured a $400,000 federal investment

968
01:07:10,370 --> 01:07:12,630
 deliver a 10-day skate and youth empowerment

969
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:14,650
 festival at the Western Fair. That same winter,

970
01:07:14,650 --> 01:07:16,930
 we delivered a youth-led, self-funded indoor

971
01:07:16,930 --> 01:07:18,780
 skate park pilot at Silverwoods Arena in

972
01:07:18,780 --> 01:07:19,340
 collaboration

973
01:07:19,340 --> 01:07:22,460
 with Mr. McGonagall. So thank you, Mr. McGonagall

974
01:07:22,460 --> 01:07:25,940
. In 2025, we hosted our annual Medway Open event

975
01:07:25,940 --> 01:07:27,810
 in collaboration with Canada's skateboard, our

976
01:07:27,810 --> 01:07:29,850
 nation's Olympic governing body. The youth

977
01:07:29,850 --> 01:07:30,320
 empowerment

978
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,750
 centric model we piloted right here in London for

979
01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:35,060
 that event is now being adopted nationally as

980
01:07:35,060 --> 01:07:37,510
 part of Team Canada's Olympic pathway. We're also

981
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:39,270
 on track to see a London skateboarder compete

982
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:41,790
 that the 2028 Olympics in Los Angeles,

983
01:07:41,790 --> 01:07:43,830
 which we think is pretty awesome.

984
01:07:43,830 --> 01:07:45,640
 However, despite this great progress,

985
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,930
 our community continues to face significant

986
01:07:47,930 --> 01:07:49,980
 and patterned barriers at the municipal level

987
01:07:49,980 --> 01:07:50,950
 here in London,

988
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:52,590
 which includes the West and Lion, sorry,

989
01:07:52,590 --> 01:07:54,620
 which includes the West Lions skate park

990
01:07:54,620 --> 01:07:56,100
 consultation process.

991
01:07:56,100 --> 01:07:59,250
 For example, last winter, this is to illustrate

992
01:07:59,250 --> 01:08:00,130
 the pattern.

993
01:08:00,130 --> 01:08:01,960
 For example, last winter, our indoor skate park

994
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:02,200
 pilot

995
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,480
 was classified as a special interest group by the

996
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:04,710
 city,

997
01:08:04,710 --> 01:08:07,620
 resulting in prohibitive arena rental fees

998
01:08:07,620 --> 01:08:09,820
 and a $5 million insurance requirement.

999
01:08:09,820 --> 01:08:12,010
 We ultimately overcame this hurdle

1000
01:08:12,010 --> 01:08:13,960
 through corporate sponsorship.

1001
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,680
 Shout out to Hattie Bros. Home Comfort.

1002
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,510
 And we worked with insurance experts

1003
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:20,640
 to drive a $3 million liability reduction going

1004
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:21,100
 forward.

1005
01:08:21,100 --> 01:08:23,660
 I'll be too late to help our skaters at the time.

1006
01:08:23,660 --> 01:08:27,150
 Similarly, ahead of the 2025 Medway Open,

1007
01:08:27,150 --> 01:08:28,620
 we were denied permission to carry out

1008
01:08:28,620 --> 01:08:30,990
 a self-funded graffiti cleanup of the Medway Sk

1009
01:08:30,990 --> 01:08:31,470
ate Park

1010
01:08:31,470 --> 01:08:33,340
 based on a city policy that did not align

1011
01:08:33,340 --> 01:08:35,170
 with our industry's best practices.

1012
01:08:35,170 --> 01:08:37,400
 Again, working with Canada Skateboard,

1013
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:38,460
 we were able to guide the city

1014
01:08:38,460 --> 01:08:40,770
 towards a more appropriate approach for this year

1015
01:08:40,770 --> 01:08:40,890
.

1016
01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:43,110
 For us, this points to a recurring pattern.

1017
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:45,290
 Widely accepted best practices from our

1018
01:08:45,290 --> 01:08:45,930
 industries

1019
01:08:45,930 --> 01:08:47,930
 are being recognized too late at home

1020
01:08:47,930 --> 01:08:50,510
 at the expense of opportunities for our youth.

1021
01:08:50,510 --> 01:08:52,020
 We see this pattern continuing

1022
01:08:52,020 --> 01:08:54,550
 within the West Lions skate park consultation

1023
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:55,230
 process.

1024
01:08:55,230 --> 01:08:57,100
 The original West Lions skate park was built

1025
01:08:57,100 --> 01:08:57,810
 decades ago

1026
01:08:57,810 --> 01:09:00,020
 before today's standards around inclusive

1027
01:09:00,020 --> 01:09:00,550
 engagement

1028
01:09:00,550 --> 01:09:02,720
 and user informed design existed.

1029
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,790
 The result was a space that was infrequently used

1030
01:09:04,790 --> 01:09:07,390
 due to usability and safety issues.

1031
01:09:07,390 --> 01:09:09,260
 Today, there are signals that this history may

1032
01:09:09,260 --> 01:09:10,810
 repeat itself.

1033
01:09:10,810 --> 01:09:12,640
 Number one, our feedback was collected

1034
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,080
 under conditions that, under the condition,

1035
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,530
 that if we did not, sorry, I apologize,

1036
01:09:17,530 --> 01:09:18,900
 let me start that now again.

1037
01:09:18,900 --> 01:09:19,850
 Today, there are signals

1038
01:09:19,850 --> 01:09:21,340
 that this history may repeat itself.

1039
01:09:21,340 --> 01:09:23,140
 Number one, our feedback was collected under

1040
01:09:23,140 --> 01:09:23,650
 conditions

1041
01:09:23,650 --> 01:09:25,840
 that did not reflect our industry's definition

1042
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:27,350
 of meaningful engagement.

1043
01:09:27,350 --> 01:09:29,500
 Here, highly regarded industry professionals

1044
01:09:29,500 --> 01:09:31,870
 and national level athletes were handed crayola

1045
01:09:31,870 --> 01:09:32,400
 products

1046
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,150
 and told to express themselves

1047
01:09:34,150 --> 01:09:36,260
 within a very limited feedback form,

1048
01:09:36,260 --> 01:09:39,340
 under threat of the entire project being shelved.

1049
01:09:39,340 --> 01:09:41,560
 Number two, we were also told that

1050
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,190
 there would be ways to follow up this

1051
01:09:43,190 --> 01:09:43,760
 consultation,

1052
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,280
 but have yet to be engaged in any meaningful way,

1053
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:47,660
 and are told the next consultation

1054
01:09:47,660 --> 01:09:50,340
 will actually be an online FYI.

1055
01:09:50,340 --> 01:09:52,600
 At the same time, Canadian Ram Company,

1056
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:53,950
 the city's selected vendor,

1057
01:09:53,950 --> 01:09:56,020
 and a worthy collaborator for our skate scene,

1058
01:09:56,020 --> 01:09:57,920
 issued an open letter calling for stronger

1059
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,630
 community integration practices,

1060
01:09:59,630 --> 01:10:01,690
 because there was still a tangible interruption

1061
01:10:01,690 --> 01:10:02,880
 in the mechanism.

1062
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,420
 Here I would like the council to consider

1063
01:10:04,420 --> 01:10:06,320
 how rare it is for a vendor to write such a

1064
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:06,700
 letter,

1065
01:10:06,700 --> 01:10:08,900
 especially while engaged in a lucrative city

1066
01:10:08,900 --> 01:10:09,840
 contract.

1067
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:11,210
 Taken together, this does not point

1068
01:10:11,210 --> 01:10:13,060
 to a lack of effort by city staff,

1069
01:10:13,060 --> 01:10:14,960
 but to a gap in how community knowledge

1070
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,860
 and lived experience are carried forward

1071
01:10:16,860 --> 01:10:18,640
 at critical stages.

1072
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,070
 We are also seeing the impact of this gap.

1073
01:10:21,070 --> 01:10:22,930
 Seven of approximately 12 participants

1074
01:10:22,930 --> 01:10:24,820
 in the West Lions consultation session

1075
01:10:24,820 --> 01:10:26,550
 have since withdrawn their input

1076
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:28,250
 under the current conditions.

1077
01:10:28,250 --> 01:10:30,350
 That's more than half of the participants.

1078
01:10:30,350 --> 01:10:33,000
 Furthermore, over 600 people signed a petition

1079
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:34,620
 to pause this very project

1080
01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:37,470
 just long enough to get these details right.

1081
01:10:37,470 --> 01:10:40,620
 Combined with over 1300 signatures from last year

1082
01:10:40,620 --> 01:10:42,420
's youth-led petition resulting in the

1083
01:10:42,420 --> 01:10:45,330
 Winter Skate Park, this represents more than 1900

1084
01:10:45,330 --> 01:10:47,170
 earnest attempts by Londoners to have

1085
01:10:47,170 --> 01:10:49,990
 a voice in this very process.

1086
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:52,890
 Over 19 is nearly on par with the 2200 responses

1087
01:10:52,890 --> 01:10:55,250
 gathered through the entire Master Plan survey

1088
01:10:55,250 --> 01:10:57,940
 and an astronomical number compared to the dozen

1089
01:10:57,940 --> 01:11:00,430
 or so voices that the city-run consultation

1090
01:11:00,430 --> 01:11:02,820
 elicited to arrive at its current findings, of

1091
01:11:02,820 --> 01:11:05,170
 which of course more than half have withdrawn

1092
01:11:05,170 --> 01:11:06,170
 their feedback.

1093
01:11:06,170 --> 01:11:08,520
 Yet as we understand it, none of these inputs,

1094
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,470
 including the letter from the city hired vendor,

1095
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:13,600
 nor the feedback withdrawals, are captured in the

1096
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,190
 project's reporting.

1097
01:11:15,190 --> 01:11:17,420
 That's why, as the Parks and Recreation Master

1098
01:11:17,420 --> 01:11:18,220
 Plan moves forward,

1099
01:11:18,220 --> 01:11:20,760
 we are asking the city to pop the brakes on the

1100
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,090
 West Lions skate park project only,

1101
01:11:23,090 --> 01:11:25,550
 and install a credible representative advisory

1102
01:11:25,550 --> 01:11:28,030
 mechanism for skateboard and action sports

1103
01:11:28,030 --> 01:11:28,670
 infrastructure.

1104
01:11:28,670 --> 01:11:31,940
 This mechanism is already well-established,

1105
01:11:31,940 --> 01:11:34,170
 unprecedented in other municipalities.

1106
01:11:34,170 --> 01:11:36,090
 Just like London's cricket community is consulted

1107
01:11:36,090 --> 01:11:37,840
 at formative stages in projects,

1108
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:39,660
 we too would like to be involved before the

1109
01:11:39,660 --> 01:11:41,670
 location, shape, budget,

1110
01:11:41,670 --> 01:11:43,300
 contacts, materials, and vendors are all

1111
01:11:43,300 --> 01:11:43,900
 predetermined.

1112
01:11:43,900 --> 01:11:46,150
 It's challenging to wrap up, that's your time?

1113
01:11:46,150 --> 01:11:48,490
 We'll do, and before the Crayola hits the table.

1114
01:11:48,490 --> 01:11:50,760
 We offer this not as a replacement for the city's

1115
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:51,820
 public consultation,

1116
01:11:51,820 --> 01:11:53,680
 but as a compliment to it, while helping to

1117
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,340
 ensure that over 1900 voices don't go unheard,

1118
01:11:56,340 --> 01:11:58,290
 while now nearly a million dollars of taxpayer

1119
01:11:58,290 --> 01:11:59,460
 money is spent in our names.

1120
01:11:59,460 --> 01:12:01,070
 Thank you again for the consideration of this

1121
01:12:01,070 --> 01:12:01,430
 matter.

1122
01:12:01,430 --> 01:12:09,820
 Thank you. Okay committee we have a report in

1123
01:12:09,820 --> 01:12:12,030
 front of us with the Parks and Rec Master Plan

1124
01:12:12,030 --> 01:12:16,730
 included in the package you'll see a motion to

1125
01:12:16,730 --> 01:12:20,760
 receive the staff report that civic

1126
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:21,310
 administration

1127
01:12:21,310 --> 01:12:23,720
 be directed to undertake further community

1128
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:25,990
 engagement on the preliminary findings

1129
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:30,050
 and also that includes the presentation and the

1130
01:12:30,050 --> 01:12:33,500
 verbal delegation Mr. Galloway. So I'm looking

1131
01:12:33,500 --> 01:12:37,170
 for a mover and a seconder and then discussion on

1132
01:12:37,170 --> 01:12:38,840
 those items.

1133
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:43,580
 Mayor Morgan, Councillor Hopkins, thank you, and

1134
01:12:43,580 --> 01:12:45,290
 I will look to committee first for a discussion

1135
01:12:45,290 --> 01:12:51,970
 on this item. Councillor Trossa. I was hoping not

1136
01:12:51,970 --> 01:12:57,030
 to come to you today with proposed amendments,

1137
01:12:57,030 --> 01:13:05,300
 but I'm finding it difficult. Could I ask perhaps

1138
01:13:05,300 --> 01:13:05,540
 Ms. Scheer, since you would have transit in the

1139
01:13:05,540 --> 01:13:09,030
 mister mobility plan. How does skateboarding fit

1140
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:12,510
 in with people's mobility as an alternative

1141
01:13:12,510 --> 01:13:18,620
 active transportation device? Ms. Cher. Thank you

1142
01:13:18,620 --> 01:13:20,760
, Madam Chair. Generally speaking, skateboarding

1143
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,470
 as a transportation device can use places that

1144
01:13:23,470 --> 01:13:26,010
 are designated for kick e-scooters as well as

1145
01:13:26,010 --> 01:13:26,250
 bikes.

1146
01:13:26,250 --> 01:13:28,530
 So they're welcoming our bike lanes. The project

1147
01:13:28,530 --> 01:13:30,080
 that is being discussed, however,

1148
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,910
 is related to a small neighborhood park

1149
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:33,900
 improvement project as part of the neighborhood

1150
01:13:33,900 --> 01:13:34,610
 park improvement

1151
01:13:34,610 --> 01:13:37,000
 fund, that it was championed by Mayor Morgan in

1152
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,360
 West Lions, so it is related more to a stationary

1153
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,560
 activity.

1154
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:43,610
 - Councillor Trossa.

1155
01:13:43,610 --> 01:13:47,470
 - Having that type through the chair, yet having

1156
01:13:47,470 --> 01:13:50,320
 that type of recreational activity

1157
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:54,270
 would encourage, I think, overall the use of this

1158
01:13:54,270 --> 01:13:56,760
 alternative transit device.

1159
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,430
 So while I transportation device, so while I see

1160
01:14:00,430 --> 01:14:03,250
 what you're saying, I do want to make

1161
01:14:03,250 --> 01:14:06,430
 sure that we're not doing anything at all to

1162
01:14:06,430 --> 01:14:09,650
 potentially prejudice this mode of

1163
01:14:09,650 --> 01:14:14,630
 transportation that's largely used by youth. Is

1164
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:16,490
 it the case that they start on

1165
01:14:16,490 --> 01:14:18,990
 skateboards and then go to e-scooters and then

1166
01:14:18,990 --> 01:14:21,170
 perhaps bicycles or do people

1167
01:14:21,170 --> 01:14:24,280
 stay on skateboards as a mode of transportation

1168
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:25,460
 in the long run?

1169
01:14:25,460 --> 01:14:29,500
 Ms. Share and then we'll try to councilor bring

1170
01:14:29,500 --> 01:14:31,890
 it back to the Parks and Rec Master Plan.

1171
01:14:31,890 --> 01:14:33,640
 - Thank you, Madam Chair.

1172
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,280
 I don't believe we have any data about the

1173
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:35,630
 transition

1174
01:14:35,630 --> 01:14:37,810
 between various types of active modes of

1175
01:14:37,810 --> 01:14:38,940
 transportation,

1176
01:14:38,940 --> 01:14:41,410
 nor a correlation between those who use action

1177
01:14:41,410 --> 01:14:41,840
 sports,

1178
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:43,840
 which is the ramps and those sorts of things

1179
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,030
 provided in skate parks,

1180
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:46,980
 and their choice of active transportation

1181
01:14:46,980 --> 01:14:49,460
 or motorized vehicles.

1182
01:14:49,460 --> 01:14:54,080
 - Could Mr. Galloway answer that question for me?

1183
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,500
 - Councillor, I'd be happy to.

1184
01:14:57,500 --> 01:14:58,770
 - I'm sorry, Mr. Galloway,

1185
01:14:58,770 --> 01:15:00,750
 we're not having a back and forth discussion.

1186
01:15:00,750 --> 01:15:03,810
 This is only a delegation at this time.

1187
01:15:03,810 --> 01:15:07,300
 So, Councillor, our questions are directed at

1188
01:15:07,300 --> 01:15:07,580
 staff

1189
01:15:07,580 --> 01:15:08,850
 related to the report.

1190
01:15:08,850 --> 01:15:11,630
 - Well, I tried to direct it at staff,

1191
01:15:11,630 --> 01:15:13,360
 and we have somebody with us

1192
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:14,730
 who knows more about skateboarding,

1193
01:15:14,730 --> 01:15:19,510
 so I think it's a reasonable question to ask.

1194
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:21,930
 - And Councillor, I am directing the questions to

1195
01:15:21,930 --> 01:15:22,530
 staff

1196
01:15:22,530 --> 01:15:24,880
 on the Parks and Recreation Master Plan at this

1197
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:25,220
 time,

1198
01:15:25,220 --> 01:15:27,810
 and you can definitely take your conversation

1199
01:15:27,810 --> 01:15:28,190
 offline

1200
01:15:28,190 --> 01:15:31,310
 with the delegation after the fact.

1201
01:15:31,310 --> 01:15:33,250
 - Well, I find that unacceptable.

1202
01:15:33,250 --> 01:15:34,880
 I really would like to have this question

1203
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:35,280
 answered,

1204
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,690
 and I'll just raise it at council again

1205
01:15:37,690 --> 01:15:39,960
 and I will make it a point to talk to Mr. Gall

1206
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:40,270
oway

1207
01:15:40,270 --> 01:15:43,430
 between now and the council meeting

1208
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:45,550
 because I think that this is something,

1209
01:15:45,550 --> 01:15:48,120
 I mean, we've adopted the mobility master plan

1210
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,660
 and that is not something that's just

1211
01:15:50,660 --> 01:15:53,660
 in a different silo than the parks plan.

1212
01:15:53,660 --> 01:15:55,480
 We have to look at all of these things

1213
01:15:55,480 --> 01:15:57,200
 as an integrated whole.

1214
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,740
 So I'm sorry I can't ask Mr. Galloway

1215
01:15:59,740 --> 01:16:03,150
 that direct question today but I will be in touch

1216
01:16:03,150 --> 01:16:03,720
 with him.

1217
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,590
 Thank you very much.

1218
01:16:06,590 --> 01:16:09,120
 Thank you, and I will look for other speakers on

1219
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,700
 the plan.

1220
01:16:11,700 --> 01:16:13,310
 Mayor Morgan.

1221
01:16:13,310 --> 01:16:15,600
 - Yes, so first let me add my words of thanks to

1222
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:15,860
 staff

1223
01:16:15,860 --> 01:16:17,080
 for the work that they've done on pulling

1224
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,360
 together the plan.

1225
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:20,830
 There is one piece and I won't echo what

1226
01:16:20,830 --> 01:16:22,260
 some of my colleagues have said.

1227
01:16:22,260 --> 01:16:24,540
 There is one piece that I think is really

1228
01:16:24,540 --> 01:16:24,850
 important

1229
01:16:24,850 --> 01:16:27,400
 and that's under B in your presentation.

1230
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,140
 You talked about designing the spaces.

1231
01:16:30,140 --> 01:16:32,240
 Part three was keeping,

1232
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,460
 keeping engaging communities in park design and

1233
01:16:34,460 --> 01:16:34,920
 stewardship.

1234
01:16:35,980 --> 01:16:38,530
 So for me, a couple of our colleagues

1235
01:16:38,530 --> 01:16:40,050
 talked about pickleball.

1236
01:16:40,050 --> 01:16:44,620
 That's because there's a very,

1237
01:16:44,620 --> 01:16:45,700
 there's a lot of people in this city

1238
01:16:45,700 --> 01:16:46,840
 talking about pickleball, right?

1239
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:48,560
 So we're gonna shift and we're gonna

1240
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:49,700
 devote some of our resources.

1241
01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:50,990
 So during the course of this term,

1242
01:16:50,990 --> 01:16:53,430
 I've spoken to about 70 schools,

1243
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:55,770
 a lot of them grade five classes,

1244
01:16:55,770 --> 01:16:58,920
 and they don't talk about pickleball as much.

1245
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,990
 They talk about some other things in parks.

1246
01:17:00,990 --> 01:17:03,200
 And so I know with the Neighborhood Parks

1247
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:03,920
 Improvement Fund,

1248
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,250
 we tried very hard to engage with local

1249
01:17:06,250 --> 01:17:06,730
 communities

1250
01:17:06,730 --> 01:17:10,520
 say, "You're the users of this space. What would

1251
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,560
 you like to see in it?" And I think we've done a

1252
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,850
 good job there of aligning them. And I think, so

1253
01:17:14,850 --> 01:17:16,990
 this piece is really important to me because

1254
01:17:16,990 --> 01:17:20,310
 we may have to reach out a little bit in a little

1255
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:22,600
 bit of a different way to

1256
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:24,600
 the youngest users of our Parks and Recreation

1257
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,730
 Spaces because they don't really say things like

1258
01:17:26,730 --> 01:17:28,740
 pickleball. They say, "This thing is boring and

1259
01:17:28,740 --> 01:17:30,790
 this thing's exciting," and they talk about the

1260
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:32,760
 actual features. And for me, it's been very

1261
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:34,850
 illuminating when they ask me questions about,

1262
01:17:34,850 --> 01:17:37,280
 can you make my park better or I say well what

1263
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,150
 would you like to see in it? And we may have just

1264
01:17:39,150 --> 01:17:42,180
 upgraded a park in a way that is just slightly

1265
01:17:42,180 --> 01:17:45,910
 different from what their vision of the kinds of

1266
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:48,190
 things they'd like to see in there and in some

1267
01:17:48,190 --> 01:17:50,140
 cases it's even lower cost ways to do things

1268
01:17:50,140 --> 01:17:53,260
 but with different creative features. So I think

1269
01:17:53,260 --> 01:17:55,390
 if we can take the kind of approach that we did

1270
01:17:55,390 --> 01:17:55,710
 with

1271
01:17:55,710 --> 01:17:57,450
 the neighborhood parks improvement fund and say

1272
01:17:57,450 --> 01:17:59,210
 we're going to make upgrades to parks and I think

1273
01:17:59,210 --> 01:18:01,490
 during this term of council we've made we've done

1274
01:18:01,490 --> 01:18:02,640
 about 250 projects and parks

1275
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:06,510
 when I'm done 23 with the the additional fund as

1276
01:18:06,510 --> 01:18:09,400
 we continue to do projects the more that we can

1277
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:12,560
 get into reaching out to some of the voices that

1278
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,810
 maybe don't know how to come to a public

1279
01:18:14,810 --> 01:18:18,320
 participation meeting or or fill out a survey. I

1280
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,100
'd really like us to partner with school boards

1281
01:18:21,100 --> 01:18:23,170
 or community associations or even neighborhood

1282
01:18:23,170 --> 01:18:25,080
 groups in different ways to get some of those

1283
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,120
 as young as voices involved in the design of

1284
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:28,510
 their parks.

1285
01:18:28,510 --> 01:18:29,610
 Doesn't mean we're not gonna,

1286
01:18:29,610 --> 01:18:30,630
 I don't wanna do less pickleball.

1287
01:18:30,630 --> 01:18:33,260
 People get really upset with me if I just do that

1288
01:18:33,260 --> 01:18:33,360
.

1289
01:18:33,260 --> 01:18:34,450
 But I do think that there's ways

1290
01:18:34,450 --> 01:18:36,070
 that we can approach some of just,

1291
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:37,780
 we may be building a playground.

1292
01:18:37,780 --> 01:18:39,940
 The features in that playground matter

1293
01:18:39,940 --> 01:18:41,530
 to the kids who live in that neighborhood.

1294
01:18:41,530 --> 01:18:45,340
 So whether it's two baby swings and three adult

1295
01:18:45,340 --> 01:18:45,820
 swings

1296
01:18:45,820 --> 01:18:47,470
 or larger kid swings, I say adults

1297
01:18:47,470 --> 01:18:49,940
 'cause everybody likes swinging.

1298
01:18:49,940 --> 01:18:52,330
 Those ratios are what create a lineup

1299
01:18:52,330 --> 01:18:53,920
 or not at some of the features.

1300
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,390
 And so great job on the report,

1301
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:59,530
 but in the future, I really like part three of B

1302
01:18:59,530 --> 01:19:01,510
 because I think that if we stick with that,

1303
01:19:01,510 --> 01:19:03,500
 we're gonna create really dynamic spaces

1304
01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:05,190
 that all members of the community love

1305
01:19:05,190 --> 01:19:08,360
 and continue to love.

1306
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,380
 - Councillor Hopkins.

1307
01:19:10,380 --> 01:19:11,740
 - Yeah, thank you to the mayor.

1308
01:19:11,740 --> 01:19:15,560
 I'm happy to second the motion as well.

1309
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,530
 I found a number of years ago,

1310
01:19:17,530 --> 01:19:20,780
 there was an upgrade of the skateboard park

1311
01:19:20,780 --> 01:19:24,680
 in Spring Bay Park and there was such a need

1312
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:29,480
 from the younger generation to have a skateboard

1313
01:19:29,480 --> 01:19:29,650
 park

1314
01:19:29,650 --> 01:19:34,500
 in the park, that it was challenging where to put

1315
01:19:34,500 --> 01:19:34,660
 it.

1316
01:19:34,660 --> 01:19:37,530
 And we needed to have that conversation.

1317
01:19:37,530 --> 01:19:40,180
 So I wanna thank Mr. Galloway for his

1318
01:19:40,180 --> 01:19:41,190
 presentation.

1319
01:19:41,190 --> 01:19:43,580
 I do like the idea of an advisory group

1320
01:19:43,580 --> 01:19:44,580
 conversation,

1321
01:19:44,580 --> 01:19:48,490
 not just putting things into our playgrounds,

1322
01:19:48,490 --> 01:19:51,840
 but really looking at an understanding.

1323
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,150
 And I do think skateboard parks

1324
01:19:54,150 --> 01:19:57,220
 are a little bit complicated and challenging

1325
01:19:57,220 --> 01:20:00,090
 as opposed to just putting swings or slides

1326
01:20:00,090 --> 01:20:05,870
 up in the park, so I'm happy to second it.

1327
01:20:05,870 --> 01:20:09,430
 - Thank you, looking for other speakers on this

1328
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:12,970
 item, okay?

1329
01:20:12,970 --> 01:20:17,100
 Seeing none online and seeing none in chambers.

1330
01:20:17,100 --> 01:20:20,240
 Councilor Pribble, will you take the chair?

1331
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:24,390
 - I have a chair and I recognize Councilor Raman.

1332
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:26,660
 - Thank you and through you, I just wanted to

1333
01:20:26,660 --> 01:20:27,160
 thank staff

1334
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:30,090
 for the presentation and for the conversation

1335
01:20:30,090 --> 01:20:30,490
 today

1336
01:20:30,490 --> 01:20:35,550
 on the Parks and Rec master plan just with

1337
01:20:35,550 --> 01:20:35,650
 reference

1338
01:20:35,550 --> 01:20:38,980
 to the communication that will go out to the

1339
01:20:38,980 --> 01:20:39,360
 public

1340
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,350
 to participate in the next round of discussion.

1341
01:20:42,350 --> 01:20:44,870
 I assume everybody that already participated

1342
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:46,760
 would be receiving notification

1343
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,500
 that they will be able to participate

1344
01:20:49,500 --> 01:20:53,340
 in the next round as well.

1345
01:20:53,340 --> 01:20:54,610
 Yes, and through the chair, we maintain a

1346
01:20:54,610 --> 01:20:55,350
 subscriber list

1347
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:57,200
 for those people who have actively engaged

1348
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:58,920
 and will be making sure that we send out a notice

1349
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:00,270
.

1350
01:21:00,270 --> 01:21:01,390
 Peltula.

1351
01:21:01,390 --> 01:21:02,230
 - Thank you.

1352
01:21:02,230 --> 01:21:03,940
 And just to follow up on Mayor Morgan's point,

1353
01:21:03,940 --> 01:21:06,380
 because I've been to a few talks with him,

1354
01:21:06,380 --> 01:21:08,730
 as well as had some of my own with classrooms,

1355
01:21:08,730 --> 01:21:10,960
 and yes, it's definitely a hot topic.

1356
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:12,870
 Students love to share their ideas

1357
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:15,190
 for what they believe is the best activation

1358
01:21:15,190 --> 01:21:17,300
 for their local park.

1359
01:21:17,300 --> 01:21:20,250
 I'm just wondering beyond the public engagement

1360
01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:22,320
 that we're speaking of that would be formal,

1361
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,760
 and in those spaces, what type of informal

1362
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:26,270
 engagements

1363
01:21:26,270 --> 01:21:28,500
 could we do maybe with younger users,

1364
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:32,290
 and what's the timeline for those?

1365
01:21:32,290 --> 01:21:35,040
 - Going through the stuff.

1366
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:36,310
 - Yes, and through the chair.

1367
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:38,750
 Our goal is to be doing our public engagement

1368
01:21:38,750 --> 01:21:41,660
 over basically the tail end of April and into May

1369
01:21:41,660 --> 01:21:41,940
.

1370
01:21:41,940 --> 01:21:43,460
 It's a fairly condensed timeline

1371
01:21:43,460 --> 01:21:45,830
 to be able to get us back to council and

1372
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:47,610
 committee in July.

1373
01:21:47,610 --> 01:21:49,460
 We are coming back to not go back to first

1374
01:21:49,460 --> 01:21:49,920
 principles,

1375
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,910
 but just to make sure, is there anything that we

1376
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:52,230
 missed?

1377
01:21:52,230 --> 01:21:54,210
 But I'm sure we can work with our communications

1378
01:21:54,210 --> 01:21:54,430
 team

1379
01:21:54,430 --> 01:21:56,860
 to maybe find a creative way to get to different

1380
01:21:56,860 --> 01:21:57,180
 ages.

1381
01:21:57,180 --> 01:21:58,820
 That was one of the things that we definitely

1382
01:21:58,820 --> 01:21:59,820
 heard

1383
01:21:59,820 --> 01:22:02,040
 throughout our engagement was that people wanted

1384
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:02,330
 parks

1385
01:22:02,330 --> 01:22:04,490
 to be for all ages and abilities.

1386
01:22:04,490 --> 01:22:07,320
 they wanted just to not just look at certain age

1387
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:07,920
 sectors,

1388
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,910
 also finding amenities that allowed them

1389
01:22:09,910 --> 01:22:11,270
 to stay in those spaces longer.

1390
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:13,900
 It's like shaded seating areas, things like that.

1391
01:22:13,900 --> 01:22:15,980
 So those are the types of things that we would

1392
01:22:15,980 --> 01:22:16,260
 love

1393
01:22:16,260 --> 01:22:20,020
 to add a little bit more feedback on.

1394
01:22:20,020 --> 01:22:22,040
 - Don't look.

1395
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,120
 - Thank you.

1396
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:24,990
 Well, I look forward to participating,

1397
01:22:24,990 --> 01:22:27,820
 to hearing more and sharing it as well online,

1398
01:22:27,820 --> 01:22:30,490
 with respect to how we move forward.

1399
01:22:30,490 --> 01:22:33,640
 The other thing I wanted to mention is,

1400
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,550
 as this plan evolves,

1401
01:22:35,550 --> 01:22:39,220
 do we see that having more engagement

1402
01:22:39,220 --> 01:22:43,440
 with community members with maybe very targeted

1403
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:46,990
 sporting activities will take place on a go-

1404
01:22:46,990 --> 01:22:49,180
forward basis?

1405
01:22:49,180 --> 01:22:51,870
 - I'm going through stuff.

1406
01:22:51,870 --> 01:22:52,950
 - Yes, and through the chair,

1407
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:54,810
 with each of our different individual parks

1408
01:22:54,810 --> 01:22:55,220
 projects,

1409
01:22:55,220 --> 01:22:58,040
 we do have an engagement process where we reach

1410
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:58,160
 out

1411
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:01,280
 and provide early concepts, get feedback from the

1412
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:01,820
 residents

1413
01:23:01,820 --> 01:23:03,730
 and from people that are interested,

1414
01:23:03,730 --> 01:23:05,400
 particularly when we're dealing with specialized

1415
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:05,960
 sports

1416
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,390
 type of amenities and recreational facilities,

1417
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:10,300
 so that's something that we'll be continuing to

1418
01:23:10,300 --> 01:23:12,560
 do.

1419
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:15,140
 - Thank you, that's all my questions.

1420
01:23:15,140 --> 01:23:17,670
 - Thank you, I'm returning to chair, back to you.

1421
01:23:17,670 --> 01:23:19,850
 - Thank you, once again, final call for speakers

1422
01:23:19,850 --> 01:23:22,200
 on this item.

1423
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:40,030
 Okay, seeing none, we will open the vote.

1424
01:23:40,030 --> 01:23:50,680
 Closing the vote, the motion carries six to zero.

1425
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,420
 Okay, thank you, that moves us to item 4.2.

1426
01:23:53,420 --> 01:23:55,700
 4.2 is the report back, the basic needs and

1427
01:23:55,700 --> 01:23:56,110
 pathway,

1428
01:23:56,110 --> 01:23:59,160
 option, feasibility of contract, extension 5.1.9,

1429
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:01,510
 umbrella relief programs, Inc.

1430
01:24:01,510 --> 01:24:04,230
 We have a number of delegation requests,

1431
01:24:04,230 --> 01:24:09,000
 including Ms. de Blair, Ms. Bessno, Bessno, sorry

1432
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:09,190
.

1433
01:24:09,190 --> 01:24:15,020
 Ferguson, Horrell, and then Riley from a pillar

1434
01:24:15,020 --> 01:24:15,120
 nonprofit.

1435
01:24:15,020 --> 01:24:20,630
 With that, what I'd like to do is I'd like a

1436
01:24:20,630 --> 01:24:21,180
 motion

1437
01:24:21,180 --> 01:24:23,090
 to hear all the delegations.

1438
01:24:23,090 --> 01:24:25,370
 So I'll look for a mover and a seconder for that

1439
01:24:25,370 --> 01:24:25,720
 motion.

1440
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:27,760
 I have Councillor Trosso and I have Councillor

1441
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:28,060
 Privel.

1442
01:24:28,060 --> 01:24:29,550
 Thank you.

1443
01:24:29,550 --> 01:24:31,780
 And we will just moment, we'll open the vote on

1444
01:24:31,780 --> 01:24:44,480
 that.

1445
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:46,380
 - Using the vote, the motion carries, six to zero

1446
01:24:46,380 --> 01:24:47,940
.

1447
01:24:47,940 --> 01:24:48,750
 - Thank you.

1448
01:24:48,750 --> 01:24:51,530
 And I'll welcome Mr. Blair first to the

1449
01:24:51,530 --> 01:24:54,540
 microphone.

1450
01:24:54,540 --> 01:24:55,380
 Thank you.

1451
01:24:55,380 --> 01:24:59,110
 And just for everybody here in the gallery,

1452
01:24:59,110 --> 01:25:01,340
 just wanted to start out with,

1453
01:25:01,340 --> 01:25:02,930
 thank you for your patience today.

1454
01:25:02,930 --> 01:25:04,440
 'Cause I know we've had a lot of items

1455
01:25:04,440 --> 01:25:07,140
 before we've gotten to these delegations.

1456
01:25:07,140 --> 01:25:12,380
 Just a reminder that with respect to today's

1457
01:25:12,380 --> 01:25:12,520
 delegations

1458
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:14,310
 in order to keep decorum

1459
01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:16,940
 to just making everyone feel safe and comfortable

1460
01:25:16,940 --> 01:25:17,040
.

1461
01:25:16,940 --> 01:25:18,930
 We ask there's no clapping, cheering, or booing

1462
01:25:18,930 --> 01:25:22,870
 from others in the gallery as there are speakers

1463
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:25,140
 that are braving their time at the mic.

1464
01:25:25,140 --> 01:25:27,590
 And just wanted to remind speakers you have five

1465
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:28,010
 minutes

1466
01:25:28,010 --> 01:25:29,760
 and I will give you a warning at 30 seconds.

1467
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,360
 Thanks so much.

1468
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:33,420
 - Thank you, Madam Chair.

1469
01:25:33,420 --> 01:25:34,870
 And thank you to the whole committee

1470
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:37,410
 for allowing me time to speak today.

1471
01:25:37,410 --> 01:25:39,570
 I wanna start by showing my appreciation

1472
01:25:39,570 --> 01:25:42,020
 for the work that has happened over the past few

1473
01:25:42,020 --> 01:25:42,480
 months

1474
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:44,670
 and share my gratitude for the collaboration

1475
01:25:44,670 --> 01:25:47,300
 across all the levels that took action during the

1476
01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:49,530
 time of urgent need, particularly through

1477
01:25:49,530 --> 01:25:52,660
 the winter response. I also want to recognize and

1478
01:25:52,660 --> 01:25:54,550
 commend the work that has gone into the

1479
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:57,380
 creation of the micro modular shelters. It has

1480
01:25:57,380 --> 01:26:00,210
 been incredibly meaningful to see our friends

1481
01:26:00,210 --> 01:26:03,340
 move out of encampment and into stable, safer

1482
01:26:03,340 --> 01:26:06,620
 places that they can call home. That work matters

1483
01:26:06,620 --> 01:26:08,990
 and it's making a difference. Today I'm here to

1484
01:26:08,990 --> 01:26:12,440
 speak about the work of 519 Pursuit. What started

1485
01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:14,760
 a grassroots organization has grown into an

1486
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,130
 essential part of the frontline response in our

1487
01:26:17,130 --> 01:26:17,930
 city.

1488
01:26:17,930 --> 01:26:20,240
 The City of London has become a champion for

1489
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,700
 collaboration in addressing homelessness,

1490
01:26:22,700 --> 01:26:25,910
 and in the midst of multiple crises, we have

1491
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:27,720
 proven to be innovative in our

1492
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,670
 response and how we provide care. Part of that

1493
01:26:30,670 --> 01:26:33,340
 innovation is a whole of community response.

1494
01:26:33,340 --> 01:26:36,040
 However, what is often missed in the conversation

1495
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,320
 is the role of outreach and how critical it is

1496
01:26:39,050 --> 01:26:42,750
 of the part of Continuum of Care. Outreach is

1497
01:26:42,750 --> 01:26:45,090
 often the first point of contact. It is how we

1498
01:26:45,090 --> 01:26:45,250
 meet

1499
01:26:45,250 --> 01:26:47,340
 people where they are at, offering food security,

1500
01:26:47,340 --> 01:26:49,620
 basic needs, survival gear, and system navigation

1501
01:26:49,620 --> 01:26:52,220
 directly at street level. But more than that, it

1502
01:26:52,220 --> 01:26:55,020
's how relationships are built. It's how trust

1503
01:26:55,020 --> 01:26:59,810
 is formed. Those relationships create pathways.

1504
01:26:59,810 --> 01:27:02,380
 This is street level work, but it does not work

1505
01:27:02,380 --> 01:27:05,230
 in isolation. It directly supports the rest of

1506
01:27:05,230 --> 01:27:08,140
 the system. It reduces the pressure on indoor

1507
01:27:08,140 --> 01:27:08,960
 spaces

1508
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:13,140
 on shelters, on walk up services that are already

1509
01:27:13,140 --> 01:27:16,630
 operating beyond capacity, it creates a flow that

1510
01:27:16,630 --> 01:27:19,500
 allows the broader system to function more

1511
01:27:19,500 --> 01:27:22,870
 effectively. We heard this clearly just a few

1512
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:24,730
 months ago during what felt like a winter that

1513
01:27:24,730 --> 01:27:27,700
 was here to stay. We heard it from small business

1514
01:27:27,700 --> 01:27:29,690
 owners, we heard it from frontline workers and

1515
01:27:29,690 --> 01:27:31,670
 service providers, we heard it from employees

1516
01:27:31,670 --> 01:27:33,950
 in the public and community spaces, and we heard

1517
01:27:33,950 --> 01:27:35,730
 it from Londoners across the city.

1518
01:27:35,730 --> 01:27:38,320
 the message was clear. There is no additional

1519
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,050
 capacity to absorb the need when desperation

1520
01:27:41,050 --> 01:27:44,530
 shows up at the door. And when those gaps exist,

1521
01:27:44,530 --> 01:27:47,990
 they are felt everywhere. At this time, I do want

1522
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:50,200
 to thank committee and council for the urgency

1523
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,970
 that has already gone into planning for the 2026-

1524
01:27:52,970 --> 01:27:53,780
2027

1525
01:27:53,780 --> 01:27:56,630
 winter response. But it must stand here today and

1526
01:27:56,630 --> 01:27:58,950
 remind us all that extreme conditions don't

1527
01:27:58,950 --> 01:28:01,550
 just happen in the winter. Over the past few

1528
01:28:01,550 --> 01:28:03,760
 weeks alone, we have seen consistent rainfall

1529
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:06,570
 with more in the forecast, and still our indoor

1530
01:28:06,570 --> 01:28:08,510
 capacity is not at a level to ensure that people

1531
01:28:08,510 --> 01:28:12,340
 can stay dry, stay warm, and stay supported. And

1532
01:28:12,340 --> 01:28:14,730
 when this happens, survival becomes an instinct.

1533
01:28:14,730 --> 01:28:17,000
 Desperation increases and suffering becomes

1534
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:20,130
 visible, but this is preventable. And right now

1535
01:28:20,130 --> 01:28:20,520
 we have

1536
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,170
 an opportunity to address it. We're currently

1537
01:28:23,170 --> 01:28:25,750
 navigating a system that has been significantly

1538
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:28,300
 impact by loss of funding. Community service

1539
01:28:28,300 --> 01:28:30,970
 structures are shifting, and there is real

1540
01:28:30,970 --> 01:28:31,820
 uncertainty

1541
01:28:31,820 --> 01:28:34,200
 around the continuation of critical frontline

1542
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:35,400
 services.

1543
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,780
 So today I am here to respectfully urge the

1544
01:28:37,780 --> 01:28:40,040
 committee and the City Council as a whole to

1545
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:42,520
 consider these gaps that are being created and

1546
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:44,290
 the role that outreach plays in holding

1547
01:28:44,290 --> 01:28:46,260
 this system together.

1548
01:28:46,260 --> 01:28:48,040
 To consider the services that helped carry us

1549
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:49,790
 through one of the most difficult winters

1550
01:28:49,790 --> 01:28:51,830
 in recent memory and to recognize that

1551
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:54,380
 stabilization at this moment is not to support

1552
01:28:54,380 --> 01:28:56,340
 its strategy.

1553
01:28:56,340 --> 01:28:58,410
 This is about protecting the progress we have

1554
01:28:58,410 --> 01:28:58,840
 made.

1555
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,220
 This is about maintaining a coordinated community

1556
01:29:01,220 --> 01:29:02,610
-based approach.

1557
01:29:02,610 --> 01:29:04,520
 And this is about ensuring that we do not lose

1558
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:06,340
 one of the most effective entry points

1559
01:29:06,340 --> 01:29:09,400
 into care that exists in our system.

1560
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,740
 Without consistent outreach, we see immediate

1561
01:29:11,740 --> 01:29:12,360
 impacts.

1562
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,540
 We see increase and strain on emergency services.

1563
01:29:15,540 --> 01:29:18,370
 We see more individuals turning to already full

1564
01:29:18,370 --> 01:29:18,980
 spaces.

1565
01:29:18,980 --> 01:29:21,260
 We see more pressure placed on businesses, public

1566
01:29:21,260 --> 01:29:22,800
 spaces, and frontline workers who have

1567
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,710
 already told us they cannot carry it.

1568
01:29:25,710 --> 01:29:27,880
 Five when I pursue it has been a consistent

1569
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:28,350
 presence

1570
01:29:28,350 --> 01:29:31,200
 in that space showing up every single day in all

1571
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:31,790
 conditions

1572
01:29:31,790 --> 01:29:34,660
 ensuring that people are not left behind.

1573
01:29:34,660 --> 01:29:37,490
 And we see what happens when consistency is there

1574
01:29:37,490 --> 01:29:37,690
.

1575
01:29:37,690 --> 01:29:39,360
 We see people move from encampments

1576
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,180
 into shelter into housing.

1577
01:29:41,180 --> 01:29:43,780
 We see people, we see individuals begin to

1578
01:29:43,780 --> 01:29:44,480
 volunteer

1579
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:46,620
 to reconnect to find purpose.

1580
01:29:46,620 --> 01:29:48,250
 We see people begin to believe

1581
01:29:48,250 --> 01:29:50,550
 that something different is possible.

1582
01:29:50,550 --> 01:29:53,060
 But that only happens when somebody shows up

1583
01:29:53,060 --> 01:29:54,180
 first.

1584
01:29:54,180 --> 01:29:56,730
 So today I'm asking you to recognize outreach

1585
01:29:56,730 --> 01:29:58,680
 as an essential part of the whole community

1586
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:00,830
 response.

1587
01:30:00,830 --> 01:30:03,140
 This is not just about maintaining a program,

1588
01:30:03,140 --> 01:30:05,350
 this is about maintaining stability in our

1589
01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:06,070
 community.

1590
01:30:06,070 --> 01:30:08,770
 It is about preventing further strain on systems

1591
01:30:08,770 --> 01:30:10,520
 that already are at capacity,

1592
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:12,870
 and it's about continuing to move forward

1593
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:13,880
 together

1594
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,140
 as a city that has committed to collaboration,

1595
01:30:16,140 --> 01:30:18,130
 compassion, and action.

1596
01:30:18,130 --> 01:30:19,990
 At the end of the day, this is about people.

1597
01:30:19,990 --> 01:30:22,520
 It's about our friends who are our Londoners,

1598
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:24,220
 people who deserve to be seen, supported,

1599
01:30:24,220 --> 01:30:26,990
 and not left outside to survive alone.

1600
01:30:26,990 --> 01:30:28,000
 Thank you for your time.

1601
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:28,990
 Thank you for your leadership

1602
01:30:28,990 --> 01:30:31,600
 and your continued commitment to our community.

1603
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,180
 Without you, there is no Five When I Pursuit.

1604
01:30:34,180 --> 01:30:37,020
 Thank you.

1605
01:30:37,020 --> 01:30:38,310
 - Well timed.

1606
01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:46,390
 I'll go to Ms. Boasano, if I said that correctly.

1607
01:30:46,390 --> 01:30:50,260
 Thank you for joining us.

1608
01:30:50,260 --> 01:30:51,740
 Once you get your mic adjusted.

1609
01:30:51,740 --> 01:30:54,370
 - Thank you.

1610
01:30:54,370 --> 01:30:55,670
 Wonderful, you have five minutes.

1611
01:30:55,670 --> 01:30:56,500
 - Awesome.

1612
01:30:56,500 --> 01:30:58,260
 Thank you so much for allowing me to be up here

1613
01:30:58,260 --> 01:31:00,050
 and speak with all of you today.

1614
01:31:00,050 --> 01:31:01,520
 My name is Michelle Boasano

1615
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,700
 and I am an employee with Five When I Pursuit.

1616
01:31:04,700 --> 01:31:07,010
 but before I was an employee with 509 pursuit,

1617
01:31:07,010 --> 01:31:10,260
 I was a volunteer, and before I was a volunteer,

1618
01:31:10,260 --> 01:31:12,550
 I was homeless on the streets of London for three

1619
01:31:12,550 --> 01:31:13,000
 years.

1620
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:17,120
 And when I was homeless on the streets of London,

1621
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:20,580
 you know, I was a hardcore intravenous meth user.

1622
01:31:20,580 --> 01:31:22,950
 I felt as though I had no hope,

1623
01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:24,880
 I felt as though I didn't belong,

1624
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:28,250
 and I just wanted to be seen so badly.

1625
01:31:28,250 --> 01:31:31,420
 I was an individual who took up the downtown

1626
01:31:31,420 --> 01:31:32,470
 streets.

1627
01:31:32,470 --> 01:31:34,140
 I would sleep in cubby holes,

1628
01:31:34,140 --> 01:31:37,290
 I would try to find warmth on top of heat grates.

1629
01:31:37,290 --> 01:31:40,390
 I frequently visited 186 King.

1630
01:31:40,390 --> 01:31:42,440
 They had a heat grade that came off the side of

1631
01:31:42,440 --> 01:31:42,980
 the building,

1632
01:31:42,980 --> 01:31:45,400
 and I would build box forts, and I would hide in

1633
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:45,680
 there

1634
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:47,750
 in hopes that it would keep me warm.

1635
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:50,620
 And, you know, I was one of those people

1636
01:31:50,620 --> 01:31:52,870
 that would be continuously asked just to move

1637
01:31:52,870 --> 01:31:53,300
 along.

1638
01:31:53,300 --> 01:31:56,030
 You know, I never felt supported.

1639
01:31:56,030 --> 01:31:59,030
 And, you know, I just hungered to belong so badly

1640
01:31:59,030 --> 01:31:59,320
.

1641
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:02,890
 And this one time, I heard what I thought

1642
01:32:02,890 --> 01:32:04,040
 or the Voices of Angels.

1643
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:07,460
 And it was actually Allison and Amber of 509 Purs

1644
01:32:07,460 --> 01:32:08,130
uits.

1645
01:32:08,130 --> 01:32:11,830
 And here they came and they just offered support

1646
01:32:11,830 --> 01:32:13,300
 and friendship and connection.

1647
01:32:13,300 --> 01:32:16,290
 And they wanted to just walk side by side with me

1648
01:32:16,290 --> 01:32:17,920
 and they met me where I was at.

1649
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,900
 And I didn't have a lot to offer at that time.

1650
01:32:20,900 --> 01:32:22,570
 And they really didn't care.

1651
01:32:22,570 --> 01:32:24,850
 They just cared about me and they didn't even

1652
01:32:24,850 --> 01:32:25,500
 know me.

1653
01:32:25,500 --> 01:32:28,130
 And for my entire life, I'd always been told,

1654
01:32:28,130 --> 01:32:32,360
 well, maybe or I would get my hopes up

1655
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:34,710
 and it would just be like absolutely destroyed.

1656
01:32:34,710 --> 01:32:37,690
 And when Alison and Five When I Pursuit told me,

1657
01:32:37,690 --> 01:32:39,480
 like, hey, we would love to come and see you

1658
01:32:39,480 --> 01:32:39,960
 tomorrow,

1659
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:41,000
 where are you gonna be?

1660
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:42,150
 And I would tell them,

1661
01:32:42,150 --> 01:32:44,460
 and they would always show up no matter what,

1662
01:32:44,460 --> 01:32:47,300
 no matter what condition they would always,

1663
01:32:47,300 --> 01:32:48,430
 and it's gonna make me emotionally.

1664
01:32:48,430 --> 01:32:51,530
 You know, they would always show up for me.

1665
01:32:51,530 --> 01:32:54,040
 And at the worst time of my life,

1666
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:55,980
 I was sleeping on a heat grate

1667
01:32:55,980 --> 01:32:58,360
 at the corner of Dundas from Wellington.

1668
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:01,220
 I had been there so long living in my own filth.

1669
01:33:01,220 --> 01:33:06,240
 I had flesh eating viruses and I just wanted to

1670
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:06,440
 die.

1671
01:33:06,440 --> 01:33:08,860
 I had become part of the sidewalk.

1672
01:33:08,860 --> 01:33:11,790
 I'd been there so long that folks trying to get

1673
01:33:11,790 --> 01:33:14,690
 to their bus stop would walk over me to get to

1674
01:33:14,690 --> 01:33:16,160
 their bus stop.

1675
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,890
 And because of the friendship and the connection

1676
01:33:18,890 --> 01:33:21,890
 of 5-1-9 pursuit, it started to change the

1677
01:33:21,890 --> 01:33:22,380
 narrative

1678
01:33:22,380 --> 01:33:26,670
 in my head and I knew that I needed to do more

1679
01:33:26,670 --> 01:33:27,910
 with my life.

1680
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:32,300
 I needed to seek out something better for me

1681
01:33:32,300 --> 01:33:33,930
 or I was gonna die there.

1682
01:33:33,930 --> 01:33:36,290
 I wholeheartedly believe that I would be dead

1683
01:33:36,290 --> 01:33:36,690
 there.

1684
01:33:36,690 --> 01:33:38,840
 If it wasn't for the change in the narrative

1685
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,520
 of my thinking from this incredible friendship

1686
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:42,510
 that I had built, you know?

1687
01:33:42,510 --> 01:33:46,260
 When I lost my mother, I found it over Facebook

1688
01:33:46,260 --> 01:33:48,380
 and I missed her funeral and it was a month later

1689
01:33:48,380 --> 01:33:48,480
.

1690
01:33:48,380 --> 01:33:51,330
 And the first person I went to go see was Alison.

1691
01:33:51,330 --> 01:33:53,050
 And my mother used to always take me out

1692
01:33:53,050 --> 01:33:54,560
 for dinner on my birthday.

1693
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:56,800
 Well, five when I pursued an Alison,

1694
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,990
 take me out for dinner on my birthday now, right?

1695
01:33:58,990 --> 01:34:01,430
 Like that wholehearted friendship

1696
01:34:01,430 --> 01:34:03,700
 and just being okay with myself.

1697
01:34:03,700 --> 01:34:05,620
 I got from this organization.

1698
01:34:05,620 --> 01:34:08,930
 And now, you know, I get to be that person

1699
01:34:08,930 --> 01:34:10,730
 for my friends out the street now, right?

1700
01:34:10,730 --> 01:34:13,710
 Like I get to show up and I get to spread hope

1701
01:34:13,710 --> 01:34:15,590
 and I get to spread friendship.

1702
01:34:15,590 --> 01:34:17,870
 And I can say and I can shout this from the

1703
01:34:17,870 --> 01:34:18,180
 rooftop.

1704
01:34:18,180 --> 01:34:20,570
 Like there is hope and you do belong

1705
01:34:20,570 --> 01:34:22,400
 and we do care about you.

1706
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,660
 And it's such an incredible organization.

1707
01:34:25,660 --> 01:34:27,290
 know I'm a little I guess I'm a little biased

1708
01:34:27,290 --> 01:34:28,290
 right because I work for them but

1709
01:34:28,290 --> 01:34:31,810
 they truly saved my life and you know on April 25

1710
01:34:31,810 --> 01:34:33,240
th I'll be celebrating four

1711
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:38,570
 years clean and sober thank you and thank you and

1712
01:34:38,570 --> 01:34:39,770
 that's in in huge part

1713
01:34:39,770 --> 01:34:42,260
 with this friendship and and just that that

1714
01:34:42,260 --> 01:34:44,210
 feeling of belonging and I couldn't

1715
01:34:44,210 --> 01:34:46,890
 see myself you know anywhere else now right like

1716
01:34:46,890 --> 01:34:48,240
 this is where I belong and

1717
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:51,040
 so I just so grateful that I get to to be here

1718
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:55,520
 and share that thank you thank

1719
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:59,520
 - Thank you, and I appreciate you taking that

1720
01:34:59,520 --> 01:34:59,790
 time

1721
01:34:59,790 --> 01:35:02,750
 to share your story with us as well.

1722
01:35:02,750 --> 01:35:05,900
 I'll go to Ms. Fergus, or sorry to M. Ferguson

1723
01:35:05,900 --> 01:35:26,890
 next.

1724
01:35:26,890 --> 01:35:27,680
 - Thank you. - Thank you.

1725
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:29,000
 - Let me go ahead, you have five minutes.

1726
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,590
 - Thank you, thank you, Madam Chair.

1727
01:35:31,590 --> 01:35:33,310
 My name is Michelle, and I'm speaking today

1728
01:35:33,310 --> 01:35:35,470
 as a volunteer with five when I'm pursuit,

1729
01:35:35,470 --> 01:35:37,440
 but more importantly as someone who has witnessed

1730
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:39,360
 firsthand what happens when people are left

1731
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:43,160
 without support in our city.

1732
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:45,450
 London currently has over 2,000 un-hosted

1733
01:35:45,450 --> 01:35:46,090
 individuals,

1734
01:35:46,090 --> 01:35:48,690
 and across Canada more than 235,000 people

1735
01:35:48,690 --> 01:35:51,140
 experience homelessness each year.

1736
01:35:51,140 --> 01:35:52,790
 These numbers are not just statistics,

1737
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:54,720
 they represent real people who are struggling

1738
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:57,520
 to survive in conditions most of us cannot

1739
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:58,410
 imagine.

1740
01:35:58,410 --> 01:36:00,730
 Rising housing costs combined with inadequate

1741
01:36:00,730 --> 01:36:03,140
 social assistance from programs like Ontario

1742
01:36:03,140 --> 01:36:03,610
 Works

1743
01:36:03,610 --> 01:36:06,550
 and ODSP have made it nearly impossible

1744
01:36:06,550 --> 01:36:08,510
 for many individuals to secure even the most

1745
01:36:08,510 --> 01:36:10,220
 basic of housing.

1746
01:36:10,220 --> 01:36:12,580
 For some, living in a tent or a car is not a

1747
01:36:12,580 --> 01:36:13,060
 choice,

1748
01:36:13,060 --> 01:36:15,320
 it's the only option left.

1749
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,020
 Throughout reach, we have met people

1750
01:36:17,020 --> 01:36:20,680
 who are even elderly, sleeping in their vehicles,

1751
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:23,200
 individuals who are paralyzed and exposed to

1752
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:24,580
 these elements.

1753
01:36:24,580 --> 01:36:27,050
 Far too many who have suffered amputations

1754
01:36:27,050 --> 01:36:28,840
 due to untreated frostbite,

1755
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,390
 due to lack of resources available to them.

1756
01:36:31,390 --> 01:36:33,670
 These are extreme preventable outcomes that

1757
01:36:33,670 --> 01:36:34,500
 continue to happen

1758
01:36:34,500 --> 01:36:36,840
 because the system is overwhelmed and under-res

1759
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:38,170
ourced.

1760
01:36:38,170 --> 01:36:40,510
 519 Pursuit fills a critical gap.

1761
01:36:40,510 --> 01:36:43,010
 Our volunteers go out in all conditions,

1762
01:36:43,010 --> 01:36:46,660
 extreme heat, pouring rain, freezing temperatures

1763
01:36:46,660 --> 01:36:49,630
, just to deliver food, water, clothing, tents,

1764
01:36:49,630 --> 01:36:52,730
 blankets, and whatever else we have. We also

1765
01:36:52,730 --> 01:36:53,820
 provide wellness checks and

1766
01:36:53,820 --> 01:36:56,320
 connect individuals to urgent medical care,

1767
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:57,910
 hopefully before it's too late.

1768
01:36:57,910 --> 01:37:03,440
 This kind of proactive outreach reduces reliance

1769
01:37:03,440 --> 01:37:06,220
 on emergency services, hospital

1770
01:37:06,220 --> 01:37:09,030
 admissions, and crisis interventions, ultimately

1771
01:37:09,030 --> 01:37:11,600
 saving public resources while saving lives.

1772
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:15,040
 But beyond the statistics and services, there is

1773
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:16,870
 a human reality that cannot be ignored.

1774
01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:20,370
 Tears ago while delivering supplies, a friend and

1775
01:37:20,370 --> 01:37:23,220
 I heard a man crying for help from an encampment.

1776
01:37:23,220 --> 01:37:26,080
 We found him trapped inside a collapsed tent in

1777
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:28,850
 excruciating pain. His feet were completely

1778
01:37:28,850 --> 01:37:29,490
 frozen,

1779
01:37:29,490 --> 01:37:31,840
 and the smell of decaying tissue was overwhelming

1780
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:34,490
. No one else had come, no one else had checked on

1781
01:37:34,490 --> 01:37:37,570
 him. He was completely alone and unable to walk.

1782
01:37:37,570 --> 01:37:40,550
 We called for help and emergency responders

1783
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:43,810
 along with London Cares arrived. I firmly believe

1784
01:37:43,810 --> 01:37:45,870
 that if we had not been there at that moment,

1785
01:37:45,870 --> 01:37:48,670
 he could have died. Sometimes when small act is a

1786
01:37:48,670 --> 01:37:51,610
 reason someone survives. That is what outreach

1787
01:37:51,610 --> 01:37:53,870
 does. It reaches people before they become

1788
01:37:53,870 --> 01:37:56,670
 another statistic. Now imagine that moment never

1789
01:37:56,670 --> 01:37:57,470
 happened.

1790
01:37:57,470 --> 01:37:59,740
 Without outreach, there is no one walking through

1791
01:37:59,740 --> 01:38:02,150
 these encampment areas, no one finding people

1792
01:38:02,150 --> 01:38:02,550
 before

1793
01:38:02,550 --> 01:38:04,940
 infection turns fatal, before hunger turns

1794
01:38:04,940 --> 01:38:07,790
 desperate, before hope disappears completely.

1795
01:38:07,790 --> 01:38:08,990
 Programs like

1796
01:38:08,990 --> 01:38:12,250
 like 519 are not optional, they are paramount.

1797
01:38:12,250 --> 01:38:16,040
 Many individuals, we, 519 Pursuit, serve,

1798
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:18,510
 have experienced years of stigma and rejection.

1799
01:38:18,510 --> 01:38:20,470
 They are often treated as if they are invisible

1800
01:38:20,470 --> 01:38:22,020
 or undeserving of care.

1801
01:38:22,020 --> 01:38:24,100
 Yet something as small as a kind conversation

1802
01:38:24,100 --> 01:38:25,770
 or a handmade brace that can remind them

1803
01:38:25,770 --> 01:38:28,440
 that they do matter and people do care.

1804
01:38:28,440 --> 01:38:31,070
 These moments build trust and that trust is what

1805
01:38:31,070 --> 01:38:31,510
 allows us

1806
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:34,300
 to support people in so many meaningful ways.

1807
01:38:34,300 --> 01:38:36,220
 Shelters alone cannot meet the need.

1808
01:38:36,220 --> 01:38:37,890
 They are frequently at capacity

1809
01:38:37,890 --> 01:38:39,450
 and when there are no available beds,

1810
01:38:39,450 --> 01:38:41,640
 people are turned back outside into unsafe

1811
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:43,840
 and often life-threatening conditions.

1812
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:45,950
 Without outreach programs like 5-1-9,

1813
01:38:45,950 --> 01:38:48,300
 there's no consistent safety net.

1814
01:38:48,300 --> 01:38:50,510
 If funding for 5-1-9 pursuit is denied,

1815
01:38:50,510 --> 01:38:53,240
 the consequences will be immediate and severe.

1816
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:54,670
 There will be fear of wellness checks,

1817
01:38:54,670 --> 01:38:57,240
 fear interventions, and more people suffering

1818
01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:58,610
 without support.

1819
01:38:58,610 --> 01:39:01,080
 Emergency services will face increased strain

1820
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:04,460
 and preventable medical crisis will arise.

1821
01:39:04,460 --> 01:39:06,690
 Most importantly, lives will be lost quietly

1822
01:39:06,690 --> 01:39:08,740
 and unnecessarily.

1823
01:39:08,740 --> 01:39:10,430
 This is not simply a budget decision,

1824
01:39:10,430 --> 01:39:12,360
 a decision about what kind of city of London

1825
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:15,010
 chooses to be? Do we accept a reality where

1826
01:39:15,010 --> 01:39:15,380
 people

1827
01:39:15,380 --> 01:39:18,450
 freeze, go untreated, unfed, and die alone? Or do

1828
01:39:18,450 --> 01:39:20,760
 we choose to support the organizations that are

1829
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:24,550
 actively preventing that outcome every single day

1830
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:28,560
? 509 is not optional. It is vital service for

1831
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,360
 these people who have nowhere else to turn. And I

1832
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:34,670
 ask you to sit with this for a moment. If that

1833
01:39:34,670 --> 01:39:37,100
 man in the club's tent had been your father, your

1834
01:39:37,100 --> 01:39:39,330
 brother, your friend, would you have wanted

1835
01:39:39,330 --> 01:39:42,230
 someone to walk past him or someone to stop

1836
01:39:42,230 --> 01:39:44,250
 because that is the choice in front of you now.

1837
01:39:44,250 --> 01:39:48,400
 Funding 519 means choosing to stop, choosing to

1838
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:51,340
 see, choosing to save lives. Please do not look

1839
01:39:51,340 --> 01:39:54,530
 away. City Council, this is a direct plea,

1840
01:39:54,530 --> 01:39:57,480
 approve one-year contract extension to the

1841
01:39:57,480 --> 01:39:58,150
 Reserve Social

1842
01:39:58,150 --> 01:40:01,000
 Service funds. Removing this indispensable

1843
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:04,580
 service will not just create gaps, it will cost

1844
01:40:04,580 --> 01:40:05,250
 lives.

1845
01:40:05,250 --> 01:40:08,700
 people will go unseen, untreated, unfed. They

1846
01:40:08,700 --> 01:40:11,600
 will suffer and some will die alone and unnoticed

1847
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:11,700
.

1848
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:13,950
 The cost of losing this funding will be measured

1849
01:40:13,950 --> 01:40:16,860
 not just in dollars, but in human lives. You have

1850
01:40:16,860 --> 01:40:19,080
 the power to prevent that. Please choose to

1851
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:21,350
 extend the funding for the lives that depend on

1852
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:21,500
 this

1853
01:40:21,500 --> 01:40:29,490
 decision. Thank you. Thank you. I have us who are

1854
01:40:29,490 --> 01:40:38,510
 all next. Hi there. You can begin you five

1855
01:40:38,510 --> 01:40:38,900
 minutes.

1856
01:40:38,900 --> 01:40:43,520
 Thank you very much. It is very interesting being

1857
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:47,530
 here today, being juxtaposed by the Parks and Rec

1858
01:40:47,530 --> 01:40:50,720
 Committee and overhearing the discussions about

1859
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:53,140
 pickleball and dog parks when we're bringing

1860
01:40:53,140 --> 01:40:57,430
 this heavy load to the table. The city is doing

1861
01:40:57,430 --> 01:41:00,300
 some great things and has done some great things

1862
01:41:00,300 --> 01:41:03,420
 of last year or two in order to respond

1863
01:41:03,420 --> 01:41:07,490
 appropriately to the crisis that has become the

1864
01:41:07,490 --> 01:41:07,780
 number of

1865
01:41:07,780 --> 01:41:10,400
 people experiencing homelessness and the increase

1866
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:12,790
 in people that are experiencing it.

1867
01:41:12,790 --> 01:41:17,440
 Really, since the pandemic, we've seen it a new

1868
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:20,920
 normal. We've seen a new world. And what my

1869
01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:26,100
 friends and peers have said is true, that our

1870
01:41:26,100 --> 01:41:32,040
 service has become vital. What we do out there

1871
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:35,030
 every day not only saves lives but it does reduce

1872
01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:39,600
 the cost on the system, bringing food

1873
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:43,010
 to people, bringing clothes to those who don't

1874
01:41:43,010 --> 01:41:47,730
 have any decreases crime and the system's going

1875
01:41:47,730 --> 01:41:50,820
 to pay for it one way or another. You're either

1876
01:41:50,820 --> 01:41:52,940
 going to not fund us and we're going to fall

1877
01:41:52,940 --> 01:41:55,250
 through the cracks and people are going to fall

1878
01:41:55,250 --> 01:41:57,520
 through the cracks and it'll be hospitals and

1879
01:41:58,070 --> 01:42:01,850
 police and funerals that the city pays for, or it

1880
01:42:01,850 --> 01:42:05,950
 can be a proactive choice to fund us and

1881
01:42:05,950 --> 01:42:09,500
 prevent more people from winding up in worse

1882
01:42:09,500 --> 01:42:13,600
 situations. The parks that you're discussing

1883
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:17,300
 and the ongoing plants, I'm sure that all of the

1884
01:42:17,300 --> 01:42:20,420
 citizens in your wards would like to enjoy those

1885
01:42:20,420 --> 01:42:24,870
 parks, without having to see people suffer and

1886
01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:31,330
 not know who to call. And it is our privilege

1887
01:42:31,330 --> 01:42:33,600
 and pleasure to be able to go out and meet

1888
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:36,660
 individuals who are suffering. I know sometimes

1889
01:42:36,660 --> 01:42:36,900
 when you're

1890
01:42:36,900 --> 01:42:39,690
 looking at dollars and cents and business

1891
01:42:39,690 --> 01:42:44,250
 improvement areas, sometimes people experiencing

1892
01:42:44,250 --> 01:42:44,560
 homelessness

1893
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:46,850
 or dealing with substance use are viewed as

1894
01:42:46,850 --> 01:42:50,290
 problems. And I don't believe that people are

1895
01:42:50,290 --> 01:42:53,790
 problems. I believe the people have problems, and

1896
01:42:53,790 --> 01:42:57,200
 when we can help one person with their problems

1897
01:42:57,200 --> 01:43:00,390
 get out of that tent in that park, it changes

1898
01:43:00,390 --> 01:43:04,190
 their lives, but it increases. It makes the city

1899
01:43:04,190 --> 01:43:08,870
 better for everyone. Before the pandemic, if you

1900
01:43:08,870 --> 01:43:12,560
 had an option to prepare for it, I'm sure that

1901
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:14,340
 the response would have been different, but the

1902
01:43:14,340 --> 01:43:17,920
 pandemic was an act of God. This is something

1903
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:22,100
 that we can prepare for. And if you can see the

1904
01:43:22,100 --> 01:43:25,450
 the need for this and not respond appropriately,

1905
01:43:25,450 --> 01:43:30,060
 it's the adage of an ounce of prevention that is

1906
01:43:30,060 --> 01:43:33,950
 worth a pound of cure. And we are worth more

1907
01:43:33,950 --> 01:43:36,980
 than that ounce of prevention. So in the last

1908
01:43:36,980 --> 01:43:40,720
 year we've had a great opportunity to collaborate

1909
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:43,420
 with the city's coordinated informal response

1910
01:43:43,420 --> 01:43:47,500
 team and with London Cares. We've been very

1911
01:43:47,500 --> 01:43:49,730
 successful working together and would like to

1912
01:43:49,730 --> 01:43:51,400
 continue that relationship and

1913
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:55,230
 continue serving the city as best we can and in

1914
01:43:55,230 --> 01:43:57,820
 the unique way that only we can.

1915
01:43:57,820 --> 01:44:04,410
 So if you lose us, I fear for what that means not

1916
01:44:04,410 --> 01:44:05,610
 only for the people

1917
01:44:05,610 --> 01:44:08,790
 experiencing homelessness but for the rest of

1918
01:44:08,790 --> 01:44:11,140
 community that is subject to it

1919
01:44:11,140 --> 01:44:18,620
 and doesn't have us to help. Thanks. Thank you.

1920
01:44:18,620 --> 01:44:26,320
 Next I had Miss Riley. Hello.

1921
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:30,680
 - Please go ahead to your five minutes.

1922
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:32,240
 - Good afternoon Chair and members of the

1923
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:33,180
 committee.

1924
01:44:33,180 --> 01:44:35,420
 My name is Melanie Riley and I'm the Vice

1925
01:44:35,420 --> 01:44:35,720
 President

1926
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:37,280
 of Fund Development and Member Services

1927
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:39,670
 at Pillar Nonprofit Network.

1928
01:44:39,670 --> 01:44:42,190
 Pillar is a network of over 250 nonprofit

1929
01:44:42,190 --> 01:44:43,190
 organizations,

1930
01:44:43,190 --> 01:44:45,720
 charities and grassroots groups across London

1931
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:48,020
 and Southwestern Ontario.

1932
01:44:48,020 --> 01:44:49,710
 We work to strengthen the sector

1933
01:44:49,710 --> 01:44:52,070
 and support a more coordinated, effective system

1934
01:44:52,070 --> 01:44:52,660
 of care

1935
01:44:52,660 --> 01:44:54,640
 in our community.

1936
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:56,740
 I'm here today to express our strong support

1937
01:44:56,740 --> 01:44:59,070
 for the city's recommendation to continue

1938
01:44:59,070 --> 01:45:02,830
 funding outreach services through 519 pursuit,

1939
01:45:02,830 --> 01:45:04,590
 and to support the direction outlined in the

1940
01:45:04,590 --> 01:45:04,950
 mayors

1941
01:45:04,950 --> 01:45:08,490
 and Councillor Remman's letter to this committee.

1942
01:45:08,490 --> 01:45:13,070
 At its core, this is about continuity of service.

1943
01:45:13,070 --> 01:45:15,480
 Outreach services are not optional.

1944
01:45:15,480 --> 01:45:17,160
 They are foundational.

1945
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:19,390
 They are the front door to the entire system of

1946
01:45:19,390 --> 01:45:20,730
 care.

1947
01:45:20,730 --> 01:45:23,560
 Organizations like 519 pursuit,

1948
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:25,690
 lending cares, arc aid, and others

1949
01:45:25,690 --> 01:45:28,480
 provide food, water, basic necessities,

1950
01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:30,400
 and human connection.

1951
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:32,090
 They are often the first point of contact

1952
01:45:32,090 --> 01:45:34,880
 individuals who are disconnected from formal

1953
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:38,070
 systems of care. And that connection matters

1954
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:41,360
 because trust is the gateway to everything else.

1955
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:44,860
 Housing, health care, and long-term stability.

1956
01:45:44,860 --> 01:45:48,290
 Without that trust, the rest of the system cannot

1957
01:45:48,290 --> 01:45:51,660
 function as intended. Over the past nine years,

1958
01:45:51,660 --> 01:45:54,560
 519 pursuit has evolved into a critical part of

1959
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:57,800
 London's outreach ecosystem, working alongside

1960
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:00,640
 shelters, health care providers, and community

1961
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,240
 agencies to strengthen the overall response.

1962
01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:07,290
 and the need is clear. City data shows hundreds

1963
01:46:07,290 --> 01:46:09,990
 of individuals are currently unsheltered

1964
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:12,690
 with overall homelessness exceeding 2,000 people

1965
01:46:12,690 --> 01:46:15,520
 in our community. Demand for outreach

1966
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:18,910
 increases in warmer months and as of March 31st

1967
01:46:18,910 --> 01:46:21,610
 that funding that supported this work has ended.

1968
01:46:21,610 --> 01:46:24,430
 So the question before you is not whether these

1969
01:46:24,430 --> 01:46:26,880
 services are needed. The question is how do we

1970
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,490
 ensure they continue without disruption? We

1971
01:46:29,490 --> 01:46:33,080
 support the proposed interim funding approach

1972
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:35,840
 because it recognizes an important reality,

1973
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,700
 municipalities cannot carry this responsibility

1974
01:46:38,700 --> 01:46:41,940
 alone. The recent federal announcement of renewed

1975
01:46:41,940 --> 01:46:43,230
 funding through the unsheltered

1976
01:46:43,230 --> 01:46:45,540
 homelessness and encampments initiative is a

1977
01:46:45,540 --> 01:46:47,980
 clear signal that this work must continue.

1978
01:46:47,980 --> 01:46:52,370
 The province must also be part of this solution.

1979
01:46:52,370 --> 01:46:54,520
 All orders of government have a role to play.

1980
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:58,190
 And just as importantly, we encourage continued,

1981
01:46:58,190 --> 01:47:01,730
 coordinated advocacy from the mayor and council

1982
01:47:01,730 --> 01:47:04,840
 to federal and provincial representatives, both

1983
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:07,040
 directly and through sector tables such as big

1984
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:07,360
 city

1985
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:10,510
 mayors, the Federation of Canadian Municipalities

1986
01:47:10,510 --> 01:47:13,320
, Association of Municipalities of Ontario,

1987
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:17,520
 and the Association of Local Public Health Ag

1988
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:20,650
encies to ensure sustained long-term investment

1989
01:47:20,650 --> 01:47:20,930
 flows

1990
01:47:20,930 --> 01:47:24,190
 to communities like London. Because when outreach

1991
01:47:24,190 --> 01:47:26,620
 services are interrupted, the impacts are

1992
01:47:26,620 --> 01:47:27,180
 immediate

1993
01:47:27,180 --> 01:47:31,010
 and far-reaching. Pressure increases on emergency

1994
01:47:31,010 --> 01:47:33,910
 services, police and paramedic services,

1995
01:47:33,910 --> 01:47:37,150
 hospitals, shelters, and the broader system,

1996
01:47:37,150 --> 01:47:40,430
 encampments grow, opportunities to connect people

1997
01:47:40,430 --> 01:47:42,740
 to housing and supports are lost, and most

1998
01:47:42,740 --> 01:47:45,250
 importantly people's health and safety are put at

1999
01:47:45,250 --> 01:47:46,300
 risk.

2000
01:47:46,300 --> 01:47:49,100
 Lives are quite literally dependent on these

2001
01:47:49,100 --> 01:47:53,490
 services. This is not only a matter of compassion

2002
01:47:53,490 --> 01:47:53,590
,

2003
01:47:53,500 --> 01:47:56,320
 it is also about the kind of city we want to be,

2004
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:59,090
 a city where no one is left behind,

2005
01:47:59,090 --> 01:48:03,100
 a city where public spaces are safe, welcoming,

2006
01:48:03,100 --> 01:48:04,800
 and vibrant for everyone.

2007
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:08,580
 A city where we invest in coordinated, effective

2008
01:48:08,580 --> 01:48:10,850
 systems that respond to complex challenges with

2009
01:48:10,850 --> 01:48:14,730
 dignity and care. We encourage the community to

2010
01:48:14,730 --> 01:48:17,430
 view this decision, not in isolation,

2011
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:20,410
 but as part of a broader approach and outreach

2012
01:48:20,410 --> 01:48:22,920
 ecosystem that must remain stable and well-res

2013
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:23,980
ourced.

2014
01:48:23,980 --> 01:48:26,720
 Sustained, reliable funding shared across

2015
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:29,620
 municipal, provincial, and federal governments

2016
01:48:29,620 --> 01:48:32,030
 is essential to maintaining that system.

2017
01:48:32,030 --> 01:48:34,960
 Pillar C's firsthand, the role these

2018
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:36,510
 organizations play,

2019
01:48:36,510 --> 01:48:38,180
 and the strain that they are under.

2020
01:48:38,180 --> 01:48:41,200
 We urge you to support the continuation of

2021
01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:42,920
 outreach services,

2022
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:45,270
 endorse the interim funding approach,

2023
01:48:45,270 --> 01:48:48,130
 and continue to use your voice to secure long-

2024
01:48:48,130 --> 01:48:48,590
term,

2025
01:48:48,590 --> 01:48:50,790
 sustainable investment from other orders of

2026
01:48:50,790 --> 01:48:51,680
 government.

2027
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:55,780
 This is how we ensure our system holds,

2028
01:48:55,780 --> 01:48:58,030
 and how we build a city where everyone has a

2029
01:48:58,030 --> 01:48:58,970
 place to belong.

2030
01:48:58,970 --> 01:49:00,940
 - Thirty seconds. - Thank you.

2031
01:49:00,940 --> 01:49:08,340
 Thank you. Okay. That concludes our delegations

2032
01:49:08,340 --> 01:49:11,740
 that were in the agenda. I will go to Mayor

2033
01:49:11,740 --> 01:49:12,540
 Morgan

2034
01:49:12,540 --> 01:49:18,840
 to begin moving a motion on the floor. Sure. And

2035
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:20,750
 would you like me to read the motion before I

2036
01:49:20,750 --> 01:49:29,580
 provide some comments? Sure. So I'm willing to

2037
01:49:29,580 --> 01:49:32,070
 move and Council Romans willing to second

2038
01:49:32,070 --> 01:49:34,500
 the Civic Administration be directed to allocate

2039
01:49:34,500 --> 01:49:36,830
 intern funding from the Social Services Reserve

2040
01:49:36,830 --> 01:49:40,260
 fund for a period of April 1st, 2026 to March 31

2041
01:49:40,260 --> 01:49:42,700
st, 2027 to support continued services for

2042
01:49:42,700 --> 01:49:45,530
 individuals experiencing unsheltered homelessness

2043
01:49:45,530 --> 01:49:49,710
 as follows. A) up to 25,000 per month for 519

2044
01:49:49,710 --> 01:49:52,340
 pursuit umbrella relief organization and B) up to

2045
01:49:52,340 --> 01:49:54,890
 60,000 per month to arcade street

2046
01:49:54,890 --> 01:49:57,600
 mission services. It being noted that total

2047
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:01,420
 funding be capped at $350,000 with an expectation

2048
01:50:01,420 --> 01:50:03,730
 that any funding received through the unsheltered

2049
01:50:03,730 --> 01:50:05,730
 homelessness and encampments initiative

2050
01:50:06,450 --> 01:50:08,790
 or other provincial or federal sources be retro

2051
01:50:08,790 --> 01:50:11,470
actively applied to reimburse the city,

2052
01:50:11,470 --> 01:50:14,810
 and that funding organizations meet applicable

2053
01:50:14,810 --> 01:50:16,330
 program requirements,

2054
01:50:16,330 --> 01:50:19,160
 including the use of homeless individuals and

2055
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:20,440
 families information system,

2056
01:50:20,440 --> 01:50:25,620
 life system, where required. Thank you. And to

2057
01:50:25,620 --> 01:50:29,360
 that, we'll also add the delegations and all

2058
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:29,770
 those

2059
01:50:29,770 --> 01:50:33,190
 that provided communication on the agenda as well

2060
01:50:33,190 --> 01:50:38,760
. And just to clarify in that letter,

2061
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:42,500
 it highlighted option three as the option out of

2062
01:50:42,500 --> 01:50:43,390
 that report.

2063
01:50:43,390 --> 01:50:46,060
 So just making sure that that language is caption

2064
01:50:46,060 --> 01:50:46,200
ed

2065
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:48,220
 in the motion as well.

2066
01:50:48,220 --> 01:50:50,530
 Thank you, and I will go back to you to speak to

2067
01:50:50,530 --> 01:50:52,350
 the item.

2068
01:50:52,350 --> 01:50:54,040
 - Sure, I'll also time myself chair.

2069
01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:56,250
 So let me just give a little bit of background

2070
01:50:56,250 --> 01:50:58,270
 and say some things, and I'm gonna try to do this

2071
01:50:58,270 --> 01:50:59,220
 in five minutes.

2072
01:50:59,220 --> 01:51:02,580
 Before I had a chance to meet with Prime Minister

2073
01:51:02,580 --> 01:51:02,880
 Carney

2074
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:05,180
 in preparation for the big city mayor's meeting,

2075
01:51:05,180 --> 01:51:08,290
 I had a meeting of all the frontline agencies

2076
01:51:08,290 --> 01:51:12,250
 who utilized the emergency treatment fund in the

2077
01:51:12,250 --> 01:51:12,510
 city,

2078
01:51:12,510 --> 01:51:14,790
 the funding that was going to end and did end at

2079
01:51:14,790 --> 01:51:15,060
 the end

2080
01:51:15,060 --> 01:51:17,480
 of March, to talk to them about the impacts

2081
01:51:17,480 --> 01:51:19,000
 that it would have on their organizations

2082
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:21,690
 and the work that they're doing in the community.

2083
01:51:21,690 --> 01:51:23,410
 That information was really instrumental

2084
01:51:23,410 --> 01:51:25,520
 in our advocacy approach federally,

2085
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:27,110
 as was just described as pillar,

2086
01:51:27,110 --> 01:51:30,060
 is really critical to long-term sustained funding

2087
01:51:30,060 --> 01:51:30,160
.

2088
01:51:30,060 --> 01:51:32,020
 The federal government put a significant amount

2089
01:51:32,020 --> 01:51:33,850
 of dollars on the table because they recognize

2090
01:51:33,850 --> 01:51:35,600
 that this is a need, not just in our community,

2091
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:38,030
 but many communities across the country.

2092
01:51:38,030 --> 01:51:41,020
 Our advocacy approach is that I do have to give

2093
01:51:41,020 --> 01:51:42,930
 a ton of credit to the mayor of Montreal,

2094
01:51:42,930 --> 01:51:44,570
 one of my colleagues in the big city mayor's

2095
01:51:44,570 --> 01:51:44,690
 caucus

2096
01:51:44,690 --> 01:51:46,840
 who took the lead as I chaired the meeting,

2097
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:52,350
 was very well received by the government.

2098
01:51:52,350 --> 01:51:56,750
 It's unfortunate that the funding did not align.

2099
01:51:56,750 --> 01:51:58,350
 So the funding got renewed.

2100
01:51:58,350 --> 01:52:00,390
 The government's now going to put 125 million

2101
01:52:00,390 --> 01:52:03,520
 into the unsheltered homelessness encampments

2102
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:04,210
 initiative.

2103
01:52:04,210 --> 01:52:05,770
 But we don't know how that's gonna flow yet

2104
01:52:05,770 --> 01:52:08,000
 or the timing of how that's gonna flow.

2105
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:10,520
 What we can expect is that we know a number of

2106
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:11,000
 communities

2107
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:12,550
 who are utilizing this fund,

2108
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:16,060
 agencies like you heard from today and others,

2109
01:52:16,060 --> 01:52:18,460
 who could benefit from continuing those services.

2110
01:52:18,460 --> 01:52:20,330
 And I think it's reasonable for us to expect

2111
01:52:20,330 --> 01:52:21,970
 that communities that we're providing those

2112
01:52:21,970 --> 01:52:22,070
 services

2113
01:52:22,050 --> 01:52:23,760
 will have the chance to continue,

2114
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:25,680
 at least a portion of them for a period of time

2115
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:27,230
 with the new funding.

2116
01:52:27,230 --> 01:52:29,020
 What we have to do is prepare ourselves

2117
01:52:29,020 --> 01:52:30,500
 for the gap in between.

2118
01:52:30,500 --> 01:52:31,730
 The funding has ended,

2119
01:52:31,730 --> 01:52:32,960
 the federal government is coming forward

2120
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:34,600
 with the renewal of 125 million,

2121
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:36,450
 and I commend them for that,

2122
01:52:36,450 --> 01:52:38,490
 but we gotta provide some sort of stability in

2123
01:52:38,490 --> 01:52:39,030
 the interim

2124
01:52:39,030 --> 01:52:41,140
 so that the agencies can continue to operate

2125
01:52:41,140 --> 01:52:42,770
 while we see if we can apply that funding.

2126
01:52:42,770 --> 01:52:45,160
 And if that funding is allowed to be retroactive,

2127
01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:47,880
 we can replenish the needed social services

2128
01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:48,870
 reserve fund,

2129
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:51,130
 which we can backstop this motion with for a

2130
01:52:51,130 --> 01:52:51,750
 period of time

2131
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:54,560
 and put ourselves in a better financial situation

2132
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:55,370
 overall.

2133
01:52:55,370 --> 01:52:58,210
 So that's essentially what this motion's trying

2134
01:52:58,210 --> 01:52:58,790
 to do.

2135
01:52:58,790 --> 01:53:00,740
 Let me say a couple of things.

2136
01:53:00,740 --> 01:53:02,530
 The first speaker talked about the micromodular

2137
01:53:02,530 --> 01:53:02,970
 site.

2138
01:53:02,970 --> 01:53:05,400
 So I want to commend what you said,

2139
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:08,000
 because that site is not successful

2140
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:10,260
 without outreach being a component of it.

2141
01:53:10,260 --> 01:53:13,160
 The way that we're able to identify people

2142
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:14,360
 who this site is right for,

2143
01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:16,100
 and it is not right for everybody,

2144
01:53:16,100 --> 01:53:18,880
 we have a variety of shelter and housing options,

2145
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:22,140
 is by the work of CIR teams and partner agencies

2146
01:53:22,140 --> 01:53:23,210
 who are out there doing outreach

2147
01:53:23,210 --> 01:53:25,430
 who can identify individuals and who can say,

2148
01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:27,370
 we've found someone who this is the right type of

2149
01:53:27,370 --> 01:53:28,650
 housing for.

2150
01:53:28,650 --> 01:53:31,120
 So the success of the micromodular site

2151
01:53:31,120 --> 01:53:34,880
 in the individuals living there is a function

2152
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:37,250
 of some of the outreach that we're doing in this

2153
01:53:37,250 --> 01:53:37,510
 community

2154
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:39,000
 because we can identify individuals

2155
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:40,890
 that are right for the different sites.

2156
01:53:40,890 --> 01:53:42,170
 So this is right.

2157
01:53:42,170 --> 01:53:45,400
 This is a system that we need to keep relatively

2158
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:45,820
 intact

2159
01:53:45,820 --> 01:53:47,450
 so that we can continue to support other

2160
01:53:47,450 --> 01:53:48,010
 components of it

2161
01:53:48,010 --> 01:53:49,820
 because we know what happens if we don't place

2162
01:53:49,820 --> 01:53:50,240
 people

2163
01:53:50,240 --> 01:53:52,340
 in the right type of housing at the right time.

2164
01:53:52,340 --> 01:53:53,700
 They're not successful in that housing

2165
01:53:53,700 --> 01:53:55,970
 and it can actually cost us more money in the

2166
01:53:55,970 --> 01:53:56,520
 long run.

2167
01:53:56,520 --> 01:54:00,800
 So that's the first piece.

2168
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:03,340
 Second piece is, I wanna commend Pillar for their

2169
01:54:03,340 --> 01:54:04,440
 comments.

2170
01:54:04,440 --> 01:54:06,880
 I know that there are people here today saying,

2171
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:08,170
 we gotta put our money on the table,

2172
01:54:08,170 --> 01:54:10,110
 and I'm willing to do that.

2173
01:54:10,110 --> 01:54:13,300
 But I need your voices, federally and provin

2174
01:54:13,300 --> 01:54:13,680
cially,

2175
01:54:13,680 --> 01:54:15,350
 for sustained long-term funding.

2176
01:54:15,350 --> 01:54:18,220
 We got a million things we have to do municipally

2177
01:54:18,220 --> 01:54:18,460
.

2178
01:54:18,460 --> 01:54:20,090
 We got a million things within our sphere of

2179
01:54:20,090 --> 01:54:20,490
 jurisdiction.

2180
01:54:20,490 --> 01:54:21,680
 We gotta do municipally.

2181
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:23,590
 And this is a shared area of jurisdiction,

2182
01:54:23,590 --> 01:54:24,830
 one actually that it somewhat argued

2183
01:54:24,830 --> 01:54:26,620
 isn't actually traditionally our area of

2184
01:54:26,620 --> 01:54:27,410
 jurisdiction.

2185
01:54:27,410 --> 01:54:30,840
 And so, your advocacy on not just making

2186
01:54:30,840 --> 01:54:33,610
 unsheltered homelessness encampments initiative

2187
01:54:33,610 --> 01:54:36,900
 permanent, or topping out programs like reaching

2188
01:54:36,900 --> 01:54:39,980
 home, which is federal operating dollars we can

2189
01:54:39,980 --> 01:54:42,400
 use, but also advocacy on HPP funding at the

2190
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:45,830
 provincial level. With sustained and long-term

2191
01:54:45,830 --> 01:54:48,280
 funding pots, we can actually do better work

2192
01:54:48,280 --> 01:54:50,240
 in the long run on this. And even reaching home,

2193
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:52,170
 although, again, I commend the federal government

2194
01:54:52,170 --> 01:54:54,860
 for extending it, which is billions of dollars of

2195
01:54:54,860 --> 01:54:56,940
 relief across the country. We know that the

2196
01:54:56,940 --> 01:54:59,140
 the parliamentary budget officer says it needs to

2197
01:54:59,140 --> 01:55:02,540
 be more money and that money ends at some point.

2198
01:55:02,540 --> 01:55:05,000
 So the advocacy doesn't need to start at the

2199
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:06,740
 critical time in the future a couple years from

2200
01:55:06,740 --> 01:55:09,310
 now when it ends. It needs to be now where we can

2201
01:55:09,310 --> 01:55:11,890
 say these dollars are being used in our community

2202
01:55:11,890 --> 01:55:11,990
,

2203
01:55:11,890 --> 01:55:14,160
 they're critical to us being there and that's the

2204
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:15,940
 work that the big city mayors are actively

2205
01:55:15,940 --> 01:55:18,760
 doing across the country and so although we're

2206
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:21,260
 really easy to access people can stand in our

2207
01:55:21,260 --> 01:55:23,890
 gallery and they can speak to us and say backstop

2208
01:55:23,890 --> 01:55:26,130
 this program because the federal government isn't

2209
01:55:26,130 --> 01:55:28,280
 and doing it anymore, the provincial government

2210
01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:28,380
 isn't.

2211
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:29,550
 But really what we need is,

2212
01:55:29,550 --> 01:55:31,840
 and we can consider those things like we are

2213
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:32,140
 today,

2214
01:55:32,140 --> 01:55:34,380
 but really what we also need is your advocacy

2215
01:55:34,380 --> 01:55:36,010
 at those other levels of government standing

2216
01:55:36,010 --> 01:55:36,370
 alongside us

2217
01:55:36,370 --> 01:55:38,160
 saying these are really critical dollars

2218
01:55:38,160 --> 01:55:39,240
 for communities not just here,

2219
01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:40,190
 'cause if we care about the people

2220
01:55:40,190 --> 01:55:41,190
 who are in shelter in this community,

2221
01:55:41,190 --> 01:55:42,980
 we care about them across the country,

2222
01:55:42,980 --> 01:55:45,870
 and we need a strategic provincial and federal

2223
01:55:45,870 --> 01:55:46,090
 plan

2224
01:55:46,090 --> 01:55:48,400
 with adequate dollars to make this successful.

2225
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:54,750
 And I know my time's up, so thanks.

2226
01:55:54,750 --> 01:55:58,640
 - I have Councillor Hopkins next on an amendment.

2227
01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:01,090
 - Thank you and thank you to the mayor for his

2228
01:56:01,090 --> 01:56:01,730
 advocacy.

2229
01:56:01,730 --> 01:56:04,420
 I would like to put forward an amendment.

2230
01:56:04,420 --> 01:56:07,640
 Maybe I can read it first and then if I can speak

2231
01:56:07,640 --> 01:56:08,330
 to it,

2232
01:56:08,330 --> 01:56:12,210
 I have it as E, that civic administration be

2233
01:56:12,210 --> 01:56:12,940
 directed

2234
01:56:12,940 --> 01:56:17,180
 to re-engage with the agencies under the UHEI

2235
01:56:17,180 --> 01:56:18,650
 and emergency treatment fund

2236
01:56:18,650 --> 01:56:22,360
 to explore service opportunities looking for

2237
01:56:22,360 --> 01:56:22,730
 something.

2238
01:56:22,730 --> 01:56:24,140
 - Thank you and I will second that.

2239
01:56:24,140 --> 01:56:26,500
 And you may go ahead and speak to it.

2240
01:56:26,500 --> 01:56:27,340
 - Yeah, thank you.

2241
01:56:27,340 --> 01:56:30,290
 And maybe I can make all my comments at once,

2242
01:56:30,290 --> 01:56:33,240
 'cause I am supportive of this motion.

2243
01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:34,880
 It is interim funding.

2244
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:38,310
 I appreciate the efficacy the mayor has done.

2245
01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:40,820
 I also think it's really, really important

2246
01:56:40,820 --> 01:56:42,370
 that the community speak.

2247
01:56:42,370 --> 01:56:44,570
 Thank you for being here this afternoon.

2248
01:56:44,570 --> 01:56:46,640
 It's really important that we hear

2249
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:49,510
 the importance of outreach in our community,

2250
01:56:49,510 --> 01:56:52,620
 what you have to offer, what you have done,

2251
01:56:52,620 --> 01:56:55,410
 and developing a trust relationship.

2252
01:56:55,410 --> 01:56:58,440
 So thank you for that.

2253
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:01,570
 I know the federal government is announcing some

2254
01:57:01,570 --> 01:57:02,270
 funding

2255
01:57:02,270 --> 01:57:06,800
 to go to this area, and I would really

2256
01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:10,490
 encourage staff to continue the work with the

2257
01:57:10,490 --> 01:57:11,060
 providers

2258
01:57:11,060 --> 01:57:13,890
 in the community to come up with the

2259
01:57:13,890 --> 01:57:15,040
 opportunities

2260
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:16,790
 to take advantage of this funding.

2261
01:57:16,790 --> 01:57:24,350
 So with that, I'll give up my time.

2262
01:57:24,350 --> 01:57:25,180
 - Thank you.

2263
01:57:25,180 --> 01:57:27,390
 And I will look to other speakers on the

2264
01:57:27,390 --> 01:57:28,740
 amendment.

2265
01:57:28,740 --> 01:57:31,070
 And then we'll go back to the main motion.

2266
01:57:31,070 --> 01:57:33,450
 On the amendment, Councillor Ferrera.

2267
01:57:33,450 --> 01:57:36,540
 - We didn't move the main motion.

2268
01:57:36,540 --> 01:57:38,360
 Or we didn't move the staff recommendation, we

2269
01:57:38,360 --> 01:57:39,560
 moved.

2270
01:57:39,560 --> 01:57:40,380
 - That's correct.

2271
01:57:40,380 --> 01:57:41,400
 - Right, so the amendment to this, okay.

2272
01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:43,430
 So I guess I just want to clarify.

2273
01:57:43,430 --> 01:57:46,660
 We engage with agencies under the

2274
01:57:46,660 --> 01:57:48,470
 Unheltered Homelessness Encampment Initiative

2275
01:57:48,470 --> 01:57:51,620
 and Emergency Treatment Fund to explore service

2276
01:57:51,620 --> 01:57:53,520
 opportunities.

2277
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:56,070
 Are we to expect, I guess first question,

2278
01:57:56,070 --> 01:57:58,330
 to expect the emergency treatment funds to also

2279
01:57:58,330 --> 01:58:00,580
 be re-initiated as well or is it just the

2280
01:58:00,580 --> 01:58:01,130
 emergency

2281
01:58:01,130 --> 01:58:02,940
 or the unsheltered homelessness encampment

2282
01:58:02,940 --> 01:58:05,400
 initiative funding? Mr. Deakin.

2283
01:58:05,400 --> 01:58:09,370
 Thank you, Chairman, through you. We do not

2284
01:58:09,370 --> 01:58:12,550
 anticipate any continuation or re-emergence of

2285
01:58:12,550 --> 01:58:13,430
 the ETF. Our

2286
01:58:13,430 --> 01:58:16,560
 information to the state has been that if it were

2287
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:20,610
 to be available through continuous intake process

2288
01:58:20,610 --> 01:58:20,710
,

2289
01:58:20,610 --> 01:58:22,420
 that those that have received it in the past

2290
01:58:22,420 --> 01:58:25,480
 would not be eligible. And just to be crystal

2291
01:58:25,480 --> 01:58:28,930
 clear and I know it's referenced in the chair and

2292
01:58:28,930 --> 01:58:32,190
 the mayor's letter. There is no 100% guarantee

2293
01:58:32,190 --> 01:58:36,480
 London is in line to receive UHEI funding. We've

2294
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:38,570
 been doing all the asking we can do to

2295
01:58:38,570 --> 01:58:41,000
 get some type of indication that it's great that

2296
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:43,280
 the federal government has decided at the

2297
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:46,230
 conclusion of the program to continue the program

2298
01:58:46,230 --> 01:58:48,550
. They have not been able to make any

2299
01:58:48,550 --> 01:58:51,420
 confirmation if it's a continuation of funding

2300
01:58:51,420 --> 01:58:53,960
 for those receiving the funds or if it's a

2301
01:58:53,960 --> 01:58:54,590
 continuation

2302
01:58:54,590 --> 01:58:56,970
 of the program. And if those that have currently

2303
01:58:56,970 --> 01:58:59,340
 received the funds are eligible to receive

2304
01:58:59,340 --> 01:58:59,860
 ongoing,

2305
01:58:59,860 --> 01:59:02,680
 or if it's an open intake for new parties who

2306
01:59:02,680 --> 01:59:04,720
 have never received the funding,

2307
01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:08,300
 and it sounds like that discussion will happen

2308
01:59:08,300 --> 01:59:10,770
 between the transfer of the program from the

2309
01:59:10,770 --> 01:59:13,060
 federal government to the province, and the

2310
01:59:13,060 --> 01:59:15,080
 province will determine the criteria and the

2311
01:59:15,080 --> 01:59:18,210
 application process as well as the selection

2312
01:59:18,210 --> 01:59:19,030
 process.

2313
01:59:19,030 --> 01:59:21,040
 - Councilor Ferrer.

2314
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:21,880
 - All right, thank you for that.

2315
01:59:21,880 --> 01:59:24,610
 So I guess both the UHEI and the ETF

2316
01:59:24,610 --> 01:59:25,600
 are kind of up in the air.

2317
01:59:25,600 --> 01:59:27,110
 So I'm okay with that then.

2318
01:59:27,110 --> 01:59:28,460
 So to reengage with agencies,

2319
01:59:28,460 --> 01:59:30,120
 we're talking about the other agencies

2320
01:59:30,120 --> 01:59:35,190
 that haven't been captured with the motion,

2321
01:59:35,190 --> 01:59:36,030
 with this amendment.

2322
01:59:36,030 --> 01:59:38,380
 So that would be, 'cause I see the arc in 519

2323
01:59:38,380 --> 01:59:38,880
 pursuit.

2324
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:40,420
 So the other agencies,

2325
01:59:40,420 --> 01:59:42,230
 and that's kind of what the intent of the motion

2326
01:59:42,230 --> 01:59:42,440
 is.

2327
01:59:42,440 --> 01:59:45,650
 Okay, yeah, I can support that.

2328
01:59:45,650 --> 01:59:48,460
 - Thank you, looking for other speakers on the

2329
01:59:48,460 --> 01:59:52,600
 amendment.

2330
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:57,070
 Seeing none in chambers and none online,

2331
01:59:57,070 --> 02:00:08,200
 we will open the vote on the amendment.

2332
02:00:08,200 --> 02:00:12,810
 Closing the vote, the motion carries six to zero.

2333
02:00:12,810 --> 02:00:14,770
 Thank you, we are back on the main motion

2334
02:00:14,770 --> 02:00:16,800
 and I'll look for speakers on the main motion as

2335
02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:19,590
 amended.

2336
02:00:19,590 --> 02:00:20,370
 - Thank you.

2337
02:00:20,370 --> 02:00:22,250
 - I've got a Councillor Chassa.

2338
02:00:22,250 --> 02:00:24,850
 - Yes, thank you very much and through the chair,

2339
02:00:24,850 --> 02:00:28,470
 I would like to thank the mayor and the chair

2340
02:00:28,470 --> 02:00:30,360
 for bringing this forward.

2341
02:00:30,360 --> 02:00:33,280
 We had this on a previous agenda

2342
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:35,390
 and I think it was a really good thing

2343
02:00:35,390 --> 02:00:37,540
 that we decided to defer it

2344
02:00:37,540 --> 02:00:40,140
 because I think that the plan that's been put

2345
02:00:40,140 --> 02:00:41,200
 forward here

2346
02:00:41,200 --> 02:00:45,420
 is very viable, it's very reasonable.

2347
02:00:45,420 --> 02:00:48,350
 My worry, and it's not a big enough worry

2348
02:00:48,350 --> 02:00:50,560
 that I'm gonna try to make an amendment or not

2349
02:00:50,560 --> 02:00:51,600
 support this,

2350
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:56,850
 my worry is those maximum amounts can run out,

2351
02:00:56,850 --> 02:00:59,410
 especially since they're being spread

2352
02:00:59,410 --> 02:01:01,580
 over two agencies now.

2353
02:01:01,580 --> 02:01:05,390
 And I just wanna say, if that maximum amount runs

2354
02:01:05,390 --> 02:01:06,090
 out

2355
02:01:06,090 --> 02:01:09,910
 and we find ourselves in another funding gap,

2356
02:01:09,910 --> 02:01:11,950
 I think that there are members of this committee

2357
02:01:11,950 --> 02:01:15,750
 who will bring something forward to try to avoid

2358
02:01:15,750 --> 02:01:17,130
 that gap.

2359
02:01:17,130 --> 02:01:20,110
 Having said that, I feel a little frustrated

2360
02:01:20,110 --> 02:01:25,440
 that we're constantly in this sort of funding gap

2361
02:01:25,440 --> 02:01:26,330
 mode.

2362
02:01:26,330 --> 02:01:28,690
 And we need to do better than that,

2363
02:01:28,690 --> 02:01:33,460
 but I think the municipality is stretched

2364
02:01:33,460 --> 02:01:35,890
 and I think the municipality is doing

2365
02:01:35,890 --> 02:01:38,490
 what they can do here.

2366
02:01:38,490 --> 02:01:41,280
 So time will tell if we have to come back in a

2367
02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:42,730
 few months

2368
02:01:42,730 --> 02:01:46,380
 with another extension request here.

2369
02:01:46,380 --> 02:01:50,780
 And I think it's incumbent on the agencies to let

2370
02:01:50,780 --> 02:01:51,780
 us know

2371
02:01:51,780 --> 02:01:53,990
 how your funds are holding up.

2372
02:01:53,990 --> 02:01:58,210
 That goes for 519, it goes, it goes for the R.

2373
02:01:58,210 --> 02:02:01,310
 So all in all, I think this is a very positive

2374
02:02:01,310 --> 02:02:01,760
 development

2375
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:04,190
 and I'll be supporting the motion.

2376
02:02:04,190 --> 02:02:08,200
 And I'm very optimistic that here is an example

2377
02:02:08,200 --> 02:02:09,930
 of this council working together

2378
02:02:09,930 --> 02:02:11,590
 to try to solve an immediate problem.

2379
02:02:11,590 --> 02:02:14,750
 So thank you to everybody who's been involved in

2380
02:02:14,750 --> 02:02:16,670
 this.

2381
02:02:16,670 --> 02:02:18,250
 - Councillor Ferrera.

2382
02:02:18,250 --> 02:02:19,300
 - Thank you.

2383
02:02:19,300 --> 02:02:22,610
 I guess I'll first say thank you to the delegates

2384
02:02:22,610 --> 02:02:25,990
 who spoke very well and elegantly.

2385
02:02:25,990 --> 02:02:28,070
 I really appreciate the stories that you shared.

2386
02:02:28,070 --> 02:02:31,930
 I know I've spoken to several of you, maybe all

2387
02:02:31,930 --> 02:02:32,510
 of you,

2388
02:02:32,510 --> 02:02:35,210
 and I appreciate just kind of comments that you

2389
02:02:35,210 --> 02:02:35,490
 shared.

2390
02:02:35,490 --> 02:02:37,780
 I thought that was very moving and very eye-

2391
02:02:37,780 --> 02:02:38,230
opening,

2392
02:02:38,230 --> 02:02:40,160
 especially when it comes to with respect to the

2393
02:02:40,160 --> 02:02:40,900
 trust part

2394
02:02:40,900 --> 02:02:43,170
 and how do we open up that front door

2395
02:02:43,170 --> 02:02:45,220
 and just kind of making sure that that trust

2396
02:02:45,220 --> 02:02:45,590
 exists

2397
02:02:45,590 --> 02:02:48,100
 so we can actually bring people in

2398
02:02:48,100 --> 02:02:51,370
 and bring them indoors eventually and ultimately.

2399
02:02:51,370 --> 02:02:53,340
 I'll also say thank you to staff for your work on

2400
02:02:53,340 --> 02:02:54,360
 this report.

2401
02:02:54,360 --> 02:02:57,870
 I think the breakdown of the options and just

2402
02:02:57,870 --> 02:02:59,370
 what those consisted of

2403
02:02:59,370 --> 02:03:02,940
 was very clearly laid out and I appreciate that.

2404
02:03:02,940 --> 02:03:05,200
 And to the work that was done at this committee

2405
02:03:05,200 --> 02:03:05,930
 before to

2406
02:03:05,930 --> 02:03:08,740
 have this report come back I appreciate that as

2407
02:03:08,740 --> 02:03:09,220
 well.

2408
02:03:09,220 --> 02:03:12,880
 I wanted to just kind of make some confirmations

2409
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:14,130
 just some clarifications.

2410
02:03:14,130 --> 02:03:17,100
 So and I appreciate I should say to the mayor and

2411
02:03:17,100 --> 02:03:18,000
 to the chair as well for

2412
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:20,990
 to bring in this motion to committee.

2413
02:03:20,990 --> 02:03:23,620
 I do appreciate just, you know,

2414
02:03:23,620 --> 02:03:26,530
 that's, I guess, looking and hopefully getting

2415
02:03:26,530 --> 02:03:28,450
 that unsheltered homelessness encampment

2416
02:03:28,450 --> 02:03:29,560
 initiative funding

2417
02:03:29,560 --> 02:03:30,800
 from the federal government,

2418
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:32,430
 and just kind of tying that in with this,

2419
02:03:32,430 --> 02:03:34,730
 and then also using the social services reserve

2420
02:03:34,730 --> 02:03:35,190
 fund

2421
02:03:35,190 --> 02:03:37,660
 as a bridging, and then having that retroactively

2422
02:03:37,660 --> 02:03:38,220
 paid back

2423
02:03:38,220 --> 02:03:40,570
 with the UHEI funding when it hopefully

2424
02:03:40,570 --> 02:03:41,490
 ultimately comes in.

2425
02:03:41,490 --> 02:03:42,720
 I appreciate the work there,

2426
02:03:42,720 --> 02:03:46,150
 and kind of tying that in with the option three.

2427
02:03:46,150 --> 02:03:50,620
 So I do want to ask though, when it comes to the

2428
02:03:50,620 --> 02:03:52,340
 350 funding gap,

2429
02:03:52,340 --> 02:03:56,700
 I just wanted to know, if and when we get the uns

2430
02:03:56,700 --> 02:03:58,250
heltered homelessness encampment

2431
02:03:58,250 --> 02:04:02,100
 initiative funding secured, is that cap still

2432
02:04:02,100 --> 02:04:04,270
 applicable to that?

2433
02:04:04,270 --> 02:04:05,540
 Or does that cap get lifted?

2434
02:04:05,540 --> 02:04:08,350
 Is that cap only for the social services reserve

2435
02:04:08,350 --> 02:04:09,220
 fund portion?

2436
02:04:09,220 --> 02:04:11,450
 And does that cap get removed?

2437
02:04:11,450 --> 02:04:13,730
 Depending, I guess, on the amount that we get, if

2438
02:04:13,730 --> 02:04:14,910
 we get it?

2439
02:04:14,910 --> 02:04:20,420
 does that cap get removed of the 350,000?

2440
02:04:20,420 --> 02:04:22,120
 - I'll go to the mayor to answer.

2441
02:04:22,120 --> 02:04:24,600
 - Yes, so what we don't know is the program

2442
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:25,090
 parameters

2443
02:04:25,090 --> 02:04:29,350
 around the fund, and so how that would work

2444
02:04:29,350 --> 02:04:32,130
 would be essentially through our staff

2445
02:04:32,130 --> 02:04:34,410
 and the application to the fund or the renewal of

2446
02:04:34,410 --> 02:04:35,190
 the fund.

2447
02:04:35,190 --> 02:04:37,220
 They may establish different parameters around it

2448
02:04:37,220 --> 02:04:37,320
,

2449
02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:40,010
 which may limit it, it may be different size

2450
02:04:40,010 --> 02:04:40,840
 for municipalities.

2451
02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:43,230
 So I think those are some of the questions

2452
02:04:43,230 --> 02:04:45,280
 that we simply can't answer yet.

2453
02:04:46,830 --> 02:04:50,460
 So this is really protecting the social services

2454
02:04:50,460 --> 02:04:51,130
 reserve fund

2455
02:04:51,130 --> 02:04:53,320
 because again, as you know, it's not like we have

2456
02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:55,040
 a shortage of needs in this space.

2457
02:04:55,040 --> 02:04:57,310
 The fund doesn't have a huge balance in it.

2458
02:04:57,310 --> 02:04:59,900
 And so this is to backstop that.

2459
02:04:59,900 --> 02:05:01,730
 Hopefully replenish it if we get funding,

2460
02:05:01,730 --> 02:05:03,240
 but ultimately the answer to your question

2461
02:05:03,240 --> 02:05:05,350
 is gonna be a function of the program parameters

2462
02:05:05,350 --> 02:05:07,930
 and what can and can't be done with them.

2463
02:05:07,930 --> 02:05:09,000
 - Councillor Ferrer.

2464
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:09,830
 - Okay, I appreciate that.

2465
02:05:09,830 --> 02:05:11,440
 I do know that we don't know what the amount is,

2466
02:05:11,440 --> 02:05:13,950
 even if we do get that, secure that money as it

2467
02:05:13,950 --> 02:05:14,290
 is.

2468
02:05:16,180 --> 02:05:18,100
 My follow up is kind of like that,

2469
02:05:18,100 --> 02:05:20,850
 but I'm just gonna state it for the record

2470
02:05:20,850 --> 02:05:22,920
 as it is a question, and if you can't answer,

2471
02:05:22,920 --> 02:05:23,360
 please do,

2472
02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:24,550
 but if you can't, I understand,

2473
02:05:24,550 --> 02:05:26,780
 especially with the answer that you just gave.

2474
02:05:26,780 --> 02:05:28,610
 But with the, I guess, the two funding channels

2475
02:05:28,610 --> 02:05:31,830
 that we see in this motion, the 25,000 per month

2476
02:05:31,830 --> 02:05:34,640
 or 519 per suit, and the 60,000 per month

2477
02:05:34,640 --> 02:05:37,250
 with the arcade street mission services,

2478
02:05:37,250 --> 02:05:40,470
 I would assume that if we were to get

2479
02:05:40,470 --> 02:05:42,070
 the unsheltered homelessness encampment

2480
02:05:42,070 --> 02:05:42,880
 initiative

2481
02:05:42,880 --> 02:05:46,600
 funding and we see that perhaps those amounts

2482
02:05:46,600 --> 02:05:48,170
 could be adjusted. They would

2483
02:05:48,170 --> 02:05:50,380
 be potentially adjusted when we know how much we

2484
02:05:50,380 --> 02:05:51,730
're getting from the UHEI

2485
02:05:51,730 --> 02:05:54,540
 funding. So I guess if you can't answer that you

2486
02:05:54,540 --> 02:05:55,880
 kind of did already but if you

2487
02:05:55,880 --> 02:06:02,080
 want to put some comments on that. Thank you. I

2488
02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:03,370
 might just go to staff just to

2489
02:06:03,370 --> 02:06:05,890
 clarify because my understanding it's going to be

2490
02:06:05,890 --> 02:06:07,670
 an application process so at

2491
02:06:07,670 --> 02:06:10,840
 the time that an application process potentially

2492
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:12,360
 opens up that would be an

2493
02:06:12,360 --> 02:06:14,960
 option for those organizations to then come

2494
02:06:14,960 --> 02:06:19,450
 forward with their ask. And that would be

2495
02:06:19,450 --> 02:06:22,050
 the place for the figuring out, I think, of more

2496
02:06:22,050 --> 02:06:24,220
 of those numbers related to the ask.

2497
02:06:24,220 --> 02:06:26,590
 What we did was we worked on the motion to

2498
02:06:26,590 --> 02:06:29,500
 address what had been put forward as the ask

2499
02:06:29,500 --> 02:06:32,320
 for option three, as well as the letter from

2500
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:35,120
 Arcade. Mr. Dickens.

2501
02:06:35,120 --> 02:06:39,170
 Thank you, Chair, and that's correct. We would --

2502
02:06:39,170 --> 02:06:40,050
 we need to see the details of what

2503
02:06:40,050 --> 02:06:42,670
 the application is, if the criteria changes, if

2504
02:06:42,670 --> 02:06:45,300
 the scope that the provincial government

2505
02:06:45,300 --> 02:06:47,650
 wants to see these funds go towards versus what

2506
02:06:47,650 --> 02:06:49,590
 the federal government wanted to see

2507
02:06:49,590 --> 02:06:52,240
 those funds go towards, it's highly possible

2508
02:06:52,240 --> 02:06:54,520
 those could be two different things.

2509
02:06:54,520 --> 02:06:58,150
 If we learn of an application process and if we

2510
02:06:58,150 --> 02:07:01,380
 learn that we're eligible to apply, we

2511
02:07:01,380 --> 02:07:03,150
 would absolutely be working with community

2512
02:07:03,150 --> 02:07:05,220
 partners around forming that ask and submitting

2513
02:07:05,220 --> 02:07:09,180
 that ask. It's conceivable that the UHEI may set

2514
02:07:09,180 --> 02:07:12,560
 its own cap per applicant. We know what

2515
02:07:12,560 --> 02:07:15,680
 the overall envelope is, and we'll have to see

2516
02:07:15,680 --> 02:07:18,650
 how that's being dispersed nationwide.

2517
02:07:18,650 --> 02:07:21,470
 There will be lots of asks, which will exhaust at

2518
02:07:21,470 --> 02:07:23,980
 $125 million, no doubt. We'll have to

2519
02:07:23,980 --> 02:07:26,490
 see what parameters are set. We'll, of course,

2520
02:07:26,490 --> 02:07:28,600
 make sure we try to maximize, as we always

2521
02:07:28,600 --> 02:07:32,090
 do, any other order of government's funding prior

2522
02:07:32,090 --> 02:07:35,090
 to maximizing or exhausting our municipal

2523
02:07:35,090 --> 02:07:38,650
 contributions Council for air. Okay, thank you

2524
02:07:38,650 --> 02:07:39,650
 for that. I hope that answers the

2525
02:07:39,650 --> 02:07:41,650
 questions from five when I'm pursuing I know you

2526
02:07:41,650 --> 02:07:42,850
're asking those questions

2527
02:07:42,850 --> 02:07:46,120
 before. Okay, I appreciate the work from

2528
02:07:46,120 --> 02:07:48,110
 everybody everybody who spoke up in the

2529
02:07:48,110 --> 02:07:50,510
 gallery from staff from the mayor from the chair.

2530
02:07:50,510 --> 02:07:52,130
 Thank you. I'll support this.

2531
02:07:52,130 --> 02:07:56,930
 Thank you looking for other speakers. Councilor P

2532
02:07:56,930 --> 02:07:59,510
ribble. Thank you and I'll

2533
02:07:59,510 --> 02:08:01,350
 start by thanking the mayor and the council for

2534
02:08:01,350 --> 02:08:02,360
 bringing this in front of

2535
02:08:02,360 --> 02:08:04,940
 us because as you've heard during our last

2536
02:08:04,940 --> 02:08:08,430
 meeting this was a concern and it's

2537
02:08:08,430 --> 02:08:10,800
 issue that we are all aware of that we need to

2538
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:13,050
 address. I don't know how many

2539
02:08:13,050 --> 02:08:15,370
 times I heard during past so many years from

2540
02:08:15,370 --> 02:08:17,160
 directly from the individuals or

2541
02:08:17,160 --> 02:08:21,080
 through someone how many lives 519 pursued safe.

2542
02:08:21,080 --> 02:08:22,250
 It's really it's an

2543
02:08:22,250 --> 02:08:26,290
 incredible outreach organization and you know

2544
02:08:26,290 --> 02:08:29,340
 when I go to the nearby where

2545
02:08:29,340 --> 02:08:31,600
 they're let's say encampments are and there's

2546
02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:32,620
 there are neighborhoods and

2547
02:08:32,620 --> 02:08:34,820
 people are outside that I do ask them you know

2548
02:08:34,820 --> 02:08:36,370
 how is everything and they say

2549
02:08:36,370 --> 02:08:39,070
 that the interesting part is if most of the

2550
02:08:39,070 --> 02:08:41,420
 issues are actually, let's see, over the weekend,

2551
02:08:41,420 --> 02:08:43,160
 and some of them they know if I want to pursue

2552
02:08:43,160 --> 02:08:45,210
 some, they say that organization that comes here

2553
02:08:45,210 --> 02:08:46,410
 helps the individuals.

2554
02:08:46,410 --> 02:08:48,980
 And they actually say that the issues that are

2555
02:08:48,980 --> 02:08:50,400
 usually on the weekends,

2556
02:08:50,400 --> 02:08:53,530
 because this organization has kind of funding and

2557
02:08:53,530 --> 02:08:56,390
 volunteers only for Mondays through Friday.

2558
02:08:56,390 --> 02:08:59,000
 But I'm just trying to state how important really

2559
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:01,320
 it is, this organization, even for the

2560
02:09:01,320 --> 02:09:02,370
 neighborhoods,

2561
02:09:02,370 --> 02:09:04,600
 because of the individual's residence and it's an

2562
02:09:04,600 --> 02:09:05,080
 assumption,

2563
02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:07,540
 they say we believe these individuals who are

2564
02:09:07,540 --> 02:09:08,240
 encampments,

2565
02:09:08,240 --> 02:09:10,460
 if they don't have the food, the water, the

2566
02:09:10,460 --> 02:09:11,270
 essentials,

2567
02:09:11,270 --> 02:09:14,660
 that's where actually the increased issues arise.

2568
02:09:14,660 --> 02:09:18,220
 So I really think that, you know, and as I said,

2569
02:09:18,220 --> 02:09:20,500
 I could say many times, how many times have been

2570
02:09:20,500 --> 02:09:20,760
 safe.

2571
02:09:20,760 --> 02:09:23,060
 One very recent example today, one of the

2572
02:09:23,060 --> 02:09:23,510
 speakers

2573
02:09:23,510 --> 02:09:26,630
 I reached out today, there's a young gentleman

2574
02:09:26,630 --> 02:09:27,170
 downtown

2575
02:09:27,170 --> 02:09:29,390
 with an issue, guess what, three, four hours

2576
02:09:29,390 --> 02:09:29,680
 later,

2577
02:09:29,680 --> 02:09:31,500
 this has been already addressed.

2578
02:09:31,500 --> 02:09:32,940
 Thank you very much.

2579
02:09:32,940 --> 02:09:37,280
 I do think that we do have a system in place.

2580
02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:38,290
 We really do.

2581
02:09:38,290 --> 02:09:41,840
 And yes, every system can be better, but we have

2582
02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:41,940
 it.

2583
02:09:41,870 --> 02:09:42,460
 And it works.

2584
02:09:42,460 --> 02:09:45,860
 I'll tell you one very recent example before

2585
02:09:45,860 --> 02:09:46,850
 Christmas.

2586
02:09:46,850 --> 02:09:49,550
 I was delivering with San Vincen de Paul

2587
02:09:49,550 --> 02:09:50,990
 Christmas cards

2588
02:09:50,990 --> 02:09:51,740
 and gift cards.

2589
02:09:51,740 --> 02:09:56,430
 We were delivering them at indwell properties.

2590
02:09:56,430 --> 02:09:58,340
 Others, including indwell.

2591
02:09:58,340 --> 02:10:00,620
 And there were a couple of people that actually

2592
02:10:00,620 --> 02:10:01,240
 told me.

2593
02:10:01,240 --> 02:10:05,100
 I started on the street in the encampment,

2594
02:10:05,100 --> 02:10:07,820
 and there was 519 and London cares for me.

2595
02:10:07,820 --> 02:10:10,230
 Then I moved up, and I moved up in terms of

2596
02:10:10,230 --> 02:10:10,900
 either,

2597
02:10:10,900 --> 02:10:14,480
 it was the mission services, it was the arcade,

2598
02:10:14,480 --> 02:10:16,660
 it was the Salvation Army.

2599
02:10:16,660 --> 02:10:19,960
 And now I'm in Indwell, I have steady housing,

2600
02:10:19,960 --> 02:10:22,760
 and I'm actually helping the ones that are on the

2601
02:10:22,760 --> 02:10:23,260
 street.

2602
02:10:23,260 --> 02:10:25,330
 I'm trying to mentor them and help them.

2603
02:10:25,330 --> 02:10:28,420
 So we do have a system that in place,

2604
02:10:28,420 --> 02:10:30,330
 it does work, could it be better?

2605
02:10:30,330 --> 02:10:31,450
 Any system can be better.

2606
02:10:31,450 --> 02:10:33,430
 I mean, you gotta work on the improvement.

2607
02:10:33,430 --> 02:10:35,700
 But when I'm trying to say 519 pursuit,

2608
02:10:35,700 --> 02:10:37,690
 you are a huge, huge part of it.

2609
02:10:37,690 --> 02:10:39,280
 We all thank you greatly.

2610
02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:42,400
 And as you heard, yes, this is a temporary way

2611
02:10:42,400 --> 02:10:42,860
 forward.

2612
02:10:42,860 --> 02:10:45,850
 But as you heard from some of my colleagues,

2613
02:10:45,850 --> 02:10:47,090
 we will be dealing with it.

2614
02:10:47,090 --> 02:10:48,990
 Hopefully there will be funding

2615
02:10:48,990 --> 02:10:50,820
 through higher levels of government.

2616
02:10:50,820 --> 02:10:52,370
 But if not, we will be dealing with it

2617
02:10:52,370 --> 02:10:54,760
 because we do realize, and I'm not just saying

2618
02:10:54,760 --> 02:10:54,990
 this,

2619
02:10:54,990 --> 02:10:57,060
 you heard it from the other ones, my colleagues,

2620
02:10:57,060 --> 02:11:01,490
 we do realize how important crucial you work is

2621
02:11:01,490 --> 02:11:02,980
 and it's part of our system.

2622
02:11:02,980 --> 02:11:04,920
 So thank you and I have no more questions or

2623
02:11:04,920 --> 02:11:05,410
 comments.

2624
02:11:05,410 --> 02:11:07,390
 Thank you.

2625
02:11:07,390 --> 02:11:09,910
 - Thank you, looking for other speakers on this

2626
02:11:09,910 --> 02:11:12,920
 item.

2627
02:11:12,920 --> 02:11:14,240
 Okay, seeing none, Councilor Pribble,

2628
02:11:14,240 --> 02:11:17,060
 will you take the chair for me?

2629
02:11:17,060 --> 02:11:20,430
 - I take the chair and I recognize Councilor Ram

2630
02:11:20,430 --> 02:11:20,610
an.

2631
02:11:20,610 --> 02:11:23,600
 - Thank you and through you, presiding officer,

2632
02:11:23,600 --> 02:11:26,280
 I just wanted to first say thank you to the deleg

2633
02:11:26,280 --> 02:11:26,740
ations

2634
02:11:26,740 --> 02:11:28,890
 that spoke today and to the folks

2635
02:11:28,890 --> 02:11:30,480
 that took the time to write in

2636
02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:33,370
 and there was quite a number of communications

2637
02:11:33,370 --> 02:11:37,280
 on the added agenda and on the regular agenda.

2638
02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:40,890
 And lots of stories as well,

2639
02:11:40,890 --> 02:11:44,200
 which I thought was quite moving.

2640
02:11:44,200 --> 02:11:46,810
 So thank you for those as well.

2641
02:11:46,810 --> 02:11:52,910
 This was one of those situations

2642
02:11:52,910 --> 02:11:56,010
 where as a member of council,

2643
02:11:56,010 --> 02:11:58,760
 we are trying to make decisions

2644
02:11:58,760 --> 02:12:02,220
 with sometimes imperfect information

2645
02:12:02,220 --> 02:12:04,980
 when it comes to funding opportunities

2646
02:12:04,980 --> 02:12:10,210
 and really relying on the ability to kind of

2647
02:12:10,210 --> 02:12:10,310
 predict

2648
02:12:10,210 --> 02:12:16,180
 what we think may be some of the funding criteria

2649
02:12:16,180 --> 02:12:19,900
 that come forward, but knowing that our local

2650
02:12:19,900 --> 02:12:21,150
 federal MPs

2651
02:12:21,150 --> 02:12:24,360
 who care deeply about this community will also

2652
02:12:24,360 --> 02:12:25,370
 advocate

2653
02:12:25,370 --> 02:12:27,910
 to meet the needs that are necessary in this

2654
02:12:27,910 --> 02:12:28,810
 community

2655
02:12:28,810 --> 02:12:31,400
 are provincial MPPs.

2656
02:12:31,400 --> 02:12:33,670
 I know we'll be hearing from the public

2657
02:12:33,670 --> 02:12:36,260
 and we'll be hearing from the mayor

2658
02:12:36,260 --> 02:12:39,330
 as we advocate for funding that may flow

2659
02:12:39,330 --> 02:12:41,640
 through the province as well.

2660
02:12:41,640 --> 02:12:44,830
 And I just wanted to point out that in the letter

2661
02:12:44,830 --> 02:12:44,930
,

2662
02:12:44,830 --> 02:12:49,800
 we left the funding source not entirely at UHEI

2663
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:54,230
 in case other funding UHEI wasn't realized

2664
02:12:54,230 --> 02:12:56,670
 or the criteria was set in a way

2665
02:12:56,670 --> 02:13:00,760
 that it couldn't be used for those agencies.

2666
02:13:00,760 --> 02:13:03,890
 It gives some leeway to look for other sources of

2667
02:13:03,890 --> 02:13:04,680
 funding

2668
02:13:04,680 --> 02:13:06,180
 that may flow through the federal

2669
02:13:06,180 --> 02:13:08,040
 or provincial governments as well.

2670
02:13:08,040 --> 02:13:15,270
 But I do think it's important that as a committee

2671
02:13:15,270 --> 02:13:15,370
,

2672
02:13:15,270 --> 02:13:18,250
 we have to sometimes make these decisions

2673
02:13:18,250 --> 02:13:21,270
 based on what we know in the moment in time.

2674
02:13:21,270 --> 02:13:23,660
 And we rely heavily on staff to do so.

2675
02:13:23,660 --> 02:13:25,940
 And I wanna thank staff for their engagement on

2676
02:13:25,940 --> 02:13:26,130
 this

2677
02:13:26,130 --> 02:13:29,970
 because it was quite helpful to understand the

2678
02:13:29,970 --> 02:13:31,100
 landscape.

2679
02:13:31,340 --> 02:13:34,100
 Many of you may know that because of the good

2680
02:13:34,100 --> 02:13:34,410
 work

2681
02:13:34,410 --> 02:13:38,350
 of the big city mayors as well as the continuing

2682
02:13:38,350 --> 02:13:38,970
 advocacy

2683
02:13:38,970 --> 02:13:41,860
 that's been taking place, an announcement on this

2684
02:13:41,860 --> 02:13:42,280
 funding

2685
02:13:42,280 --> 02:13:45,880
 only came April 1st from the federal government

2686
02:13:45,880 --> 02:13:47,680
 to say that something is coming.

2687
02:13:47,680 --> 02:13:50,840
 And so something is coming when we had just found

2688
02:13:50,840 --> 02:13:51,110
 out

2689
02:13:51,110 --> 02:13:53,650
 that yes, the funding had completely concluded.

2690
02:13:53,650 --> 02:13:57,540
 So it did put us in a challenging position

2691
02:13:57,540 --> 02:14:00,680
 to make sure that we had something to discuss

2692
02:14:00,680 --> 02:14:00,940
 today.

2693
02:14:00,940 --> 02:14:03,060
 And the social service reserve fund,

2694
02:14:03,060 --> 02:14:04,420
 we've already talked about the fact

2695
02:14:04,420 --> 02:14:05,730
 that the fund is under pressure,

2696
02:14:05,730 --> 02:14:07,610
 but as we continue to move forward

2697
02:14:07,610 --> 02:14:10,530
 with looking at a new approach to

2698
02:14:10,530 --> 02:14:15,000
 and our next year's winter response,

2699
02:14:15,000 --> 02:14:17,240
 we need to ensure that there's a good balance

2700
02:14:17,240 --> 02:14:19,520
 in that reserve fund as well

2701
02:14:19,520 --> 02:14:22,070
 to make sure that we can stand up the services

2702
02:14:22,070 --> 02:14:23,190
 that we need in the future.

2703
02:14:23,190 --> 02:14:25,790
 So thank you to my colleagues

2704
02:14:25,790 --> 02:14:28,030
 because I will say Councillor Sverrera

2705
02:14:28,030 --> 02:14:31,900
 and Councillor Troceau move the original referral

2706
02:14:31,900 --> 02:14:33,660
 of this item to bring this report.

2707
02:14:33,660 --> 02:14:36,800
 So thank you for doing so to get this item in

2708
02:14:36,800 --> 02:14:37,460
 front of us.

2709
02:14:37,460 --> 02:14:39,770
 And thank you to those on the committee

2710
02:14:39,770 --> 02:14:42,650
 for participating in the discussion today.

2711
02:14:42,650 --> 02:14:46,210
 And I hope that any other members of council

2712
02:14:46,210 --> 02:14:48,680
 will also engage on this item.

2713
02:14:48,680 --> 02:14:50,520
 There's lots of opportunity to talk to the

2714
02:14:50,520 --> 02:14:51,120
 agencies.

2715
02:14:51,120 --> 02:14:53,600
 I know they're very open to those conversations

2716
02:14:53,600 --> 02:14:55,080
 as well as city staff.

2717
02:14:55,080 --> 02:15:01,290
 So thank you.

2718
02:15:01,290 --> 02:15:02,090
 - Thank you, Councillor.

2719
02:15:02,090 --> 02:15:04,030
 I'm returning to chair back to you.

2720
02:15:04,030 --> 02:15:07,350
 - Thank you, looking for any last speakers,

2721
02:15:07,350 --> 02:15:09,690
 seeing none online, seeing none in chambers,

2722
02:15:09,690 --> 02:15:20,750
 we will open the vote on the as amended.

2723
02:15:20,750 --> 02:15:25,640
 Closing the vote, the motion carries six to zero.

2724
02:15:25,640 --> 02:15:29,820
 Thank you colleagues, it is 3.53.

2725
02:15:29,820 --> 02:15:35,080
 We have one item remaining on this section

2726
02:15:35,080 --> 02:15:39,160
 and then we have a item next on the deferred

2727
02:15:39,160 --> 02:15:39,560
 matters

2728
02:15:39,560 --> 02:15:40,620
 and additional business.

2729
02:15:40,620 --> 02:15:43,510
 I'm wondering if we can deal with 4.3

2730
02:15:43,510 --> 02:15:47,600
 and then look to take a break before we start the

2731
02:15:47,600 --> 02:15:48,420
 item 2.6.

2732
02:15:48,420 --> 02:15:51,690
 If that's amenable to the committee, I'll move

2733
02:15:51,690 --> 02:15:52,440
 forward.

2734
02:15:52,440 --> 02:15:55,560
 Okay, and I see Mayor Morgan has to step out.

2735
02:15:55,560 --> 02:16:00,380
 I will look for a mover and a seconder

2736
02:16:00,380 --> 02:16:05,350
 to accept the delegation for Ms. J. Phoenix,

2737
02:16:05,350 --> 02:16:07,530
 who's here in the gallery, waited patiently for

2738
02:16:07,530 --> 02:16:07,740
 us.

2739
02:16:07,740 --> 02:16:08,850
 Thank you so much.

2740
02:16:08,850 --> 02:16:10,560
 I'll look for a move in our seconder.

2741
02:16:10,560 --> 02:16:13,780
 Councilor Ferreira, Councillor Trossa, thank you,

2742
02:16:13,780 --> 02:16:25,570
 and just among, we'll open the vote.

2743
02:16:25,570 --> 02:16:27,440
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries five to

2744
02:16:27,440 --> 02:16:48,310
 zero.

2745
02:16:48,310 --> 02:16:51,370
 - Okay, thank you Ms. Phoenix for joining us

2746
02:16:51,370 --> 02:16:52,320
 today.

2747
02:16:52,320 --> 02:16:53,910
 You will have five minutes,

2748
02:16:53,910 --> 02:16:55,770
 and I will give you a warning at 30 seconds,

2749
02:16:55,770 --> 02:16:57,160
 and I know you've done this before,

2750
02:16:57,160 --> 02:16:59,430
 so I know that you've already, you know the

2751
02:16:59,430 --> 02:16:59,890
 process.

2752
02:16:59,890 --> 02:17:01,400
 I'll let you begin, please go ahead.

2753
02:17:01,400 --> 02:17:03,410
 - Thank you, Madam Chair.

2754
02:17:03,410 --> 02:17:05,750
 I'll try to stick to my notes today, unlike last

2755
02:17:05,750 --> 02:17:06,440
 session.

2756
02:17:06,440 --> 02:17:10,710
 I'm gonna be speaking quickly this afternoon

2757
02:17:10,710 --> 02:17:14,650
 about highlights that are in our response.

2758
02:17:14,650 --> 02:17:17,390
 I'm hoping the response has been read

2759
02:17:17,390 --> 02:17:19,820
 by all of CAPS committee members.

2760
02:17:19,820 --> 02:17:22,730
 I did send it to you and I hope it's attached

2761
02:17:22,730 --> 02:17:24,710
 to the public record as well.

2762
02:17:24,710 --> 02:17:28,990
 I do wanna point out that city staff had weeks

2763
02:17:28,990 --> 02:17:32,700
 to prepare to prepare the report

2764
02:17:32,700 --> 02:17:37,080
 to a puddle board of directors at Wednesday at

2765
02:17:37,080 --> 02:17:37,900
 noon

2766
02:17:37,900 --> 02:17:40,960
 until Friday morning at 9 a.m. to prepare the

2767
02:17:40,960 --> 02:17:42,380
 response.

2768
02:17:42,380 --> 02:17:44,850
 So that might be why you guys don't get a lot of

2769
02:17:44,850 --> 02:17:45,500
 responses

2770
02:17:45,500 --> 02:17:47,310
 from community organizations,

2771
02:17:47,310 --> 02:17:51,190
 because it's a little bit unbalanced.

2772
02:17:51,190 --> 02:17:54,790
 So, you know, I'm here on behalf of ToaPuddle.

2773
02:17:54,790 --> 02:17:56,220
 Nobody's forgot that.

2774
02:17:56,220 --> 02:18:00,260
 But what I wanna say today is what's happening at

2775
02:18:00,260 --> 02:18:00,940
 ToaPuddle

2776
02:18:00,940 --> 02:18:04,170
 is not an isolated failure.

2777
02:18:04,170 --> 02:18:06,980
 It's a system wide issue.

2778
02:18:06,980 --> 02:18:10,360
 It's not a government's failure.

2779
02:18:10,360 --> 02:18:12,960
 It's not a property management failure.

2780
02:18:12,960 --> 02:18:16,880
 This is a mismatch between housing expectations

2781
02:18:16,880 --> 02:18:19,480
 and available resources.

2782
02:18:19,480 --> 02:18:21,600
 What did the Board inherit?

2783
02:18:21,600 --> 02:18:24,190
 When the Board and the current management team

2784
02:18:24,190 --> 02:18:24,900
 were engaged,

2785
02:18:24,900 --> 02:18:29,530
 Toepuddle was facing financial disorganization,

2786
02:18:29,530 --> 02:18:32,060
 serious capital issues,

2787
02:18:32,060 --> 02:18:34,540
 including issues with flooding, structural issues

2788
02:18:34,540 --> 02:18:34,640
,

2789
02:18:34,540 --> 02:18:38,150
 damage from fires, damage from criminal activity,

2790
02:18:38,150 --> 02:18:42,360
 safety risks, high vacancies,

2791
02:18:42,360 --> 02:18:45,820
 and these conditions developed over years, not

2792
02:18:45,820 --> 02:18:47,880
 over months.

2793
02:18:47,880 --> 02:18:50,110
 What has the Board done?

2794
02:18:50,110 --> 02:18:53,470
 We've rebuilt financial systems and completed

2795
02:18:53,470 --> 02:18:54,290
 audits.

2796
02:18:54,290 --> 02:18:58,310
 As a matter of fact, housing staff receives our

2797
02:18:58,310 --> 02:19:00,650
 financial audit as prepared by Ford

2798
02:19:00,650 --> 02:19:05,260
 Keys every single year, so none of this should

2799
02:19:05,260 --> 02:19:09,090
 have been a surprise to housing division.

2800
02:19:09,090 --> 02:19:12,050
 We've restored governance and compliance,

2801
02:19:12,050 --> 02:19:16,870
 returned 21 units to occupancy, improved safety

2802
02:19:16,870 --> 02:19:20,700
 and reduced criminal activity and forced arrears

2803
02:19:20,700 --> 02:19:24,600
 and eviction policies wherever we can.

2804
02:19:24,600 --> 02:19:27,080
 The landlord tenant tribunal is not always

2805
02:19:27,080 --> 02:19:30,520
 cooperative with that and we've always tried

2806
02:19:30,520 --> 02:19:33,650
 to work continuously with city staff and our

2807
02:19:33,650 --> 02:19:35,930
 other partners.

2808
02:19:35,930 --> 02:19:39,250
 These are not the actions of a failing

2809
02:19:39,250 --> 02:19:40,760
 organization.

2810
02:19:40,760 --> 02:19:44,370
 These are the actions of a board that is actively

2811
02:19:44,370 --> 02:19:47,390
 trying to stabilize one.

2812
02:19:47,390 --> 02:19:50,510
 Here is the system failing.

2813
02:19:50,510 --> 02:19:52,830
 Members' needs have changed significantly as we

2814
02:19:52,830 --> 02:19:54,750
 spoke about before.

2815
02:19:54,750 --> 02:19:57,830
 Higher mental health and addiction complexity

2816
02:19:57,830 --> 02:20:01,720
 increase safety risks, but funding has not

2817
02:20:01,720 --> 02:20:03,740
 changed.

2818
02:20:03,740 --> 02:20:05,730
 Supports have not been added.

2819
02:20:05,730 --> 02:20:08,730
 Service models remain outdated.

2820
02:20:08,730 --> 02:20:11,880
 Housing providers are being asked to manage

2821
02:20:11,880 --> 02:20:15,390
 complex health and social issues without health

2822
02:20:15,390 --> 02:20:18,760
 and social issue resources.

2823
02:20:18,760 --> 02:20:23,150
 of timely support. The board has made multiple

2824
02:20:23,150 --> 02:20:29,710
 formal requests for assistance. We've submitted

2825
02:20:29,710 --> 02:20:33,920
 safety-focused requests. We've requested audits

2826
02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:37,890
 and funding supports. However, responses were

2827
02:20:37,890 --> 02:20:42,830
 often delayed or even absent. Previously directed

2828
02:20:42,830 --> 02:20:47,260
 actions were not implemented. Meaningful

2829
02:20:47,260 --> 02:20:47,890
 engagement

2830
02:20:47,890 --> 02:20:52,230
 and occurred only after an escalation.

2831
02:20:52,230 --> 02:20:54,940
 Two puddle didn't get any of this intention

2832
02:20:54,940 --> 02:20:56,510
 until the last CAHPS committee

2833
02:20:56,510 --> 02:20:59,030
 when I came here to speak to you.

2834
02:20:59,030 --> 02:21:02,160
 That's when everything started.

2835
02:21:02,160 --> 02:21:05,230
 Not 18 months ago when we were begging staff for

2836
02:21:05,230 --> 02:21:05,480
 help

2837
02:21:05,480 --> 02:21:08,640
 didn't happen then.

2838
02:21:08,640 --> 02:21:11,040
 Earlier intervention as requested

2839
02:21:11,040 --> 02:21:13,290
 could have prevented much of the current

2840
02:21:13,290 --> 02:21:16,220
 situation.

2841
02:21:16,220 --> 02:21:18,720
 There's a funding reality here.

2842
02:21:18,720 --> 02:21:24,220
 Current funding does not cover security

2843
02:21:24,220 --> 02:21:28,650
 and hand-stapping on-site, including maintenance,

2844
02:21:28,650 --> 02:21:31,060
 increased office hours.

2845
02:21:31,060 --> 02:21:34,670
 We have thousands and thousands of dollars

2846
02:21:34,670 --> 02:21:39,510
 and damage from high-accuity tendencies.

2847
02:21:39,510 --> 02:21:44,790
 Unit damage usually exceeds $50,000 per unit.

2848
02:21:44,790 --> 02:21:49,150
 And the co-op has been forced, yes, forced,

2849
02:21:49,150 --> 02:21:53,560
 to deplete our capital reserve funds.

2850
02:21:53,560 --> 02:21:55,420
 Now, I know there was a report that went out to

2851
02:21:55,420 --> 02:21:55,590
 you

2852
02:21:55,590 --> 02:21:58,720
 that we had lots of money in our capital reserves

2853
02:21:58,720 --> 02:21:58,820
.

2854
02:21:58,720 --> 02:22:00,300
 That's not true.

2855
02:22:00,300 --> 02:22:04,770
 What needs to be happened now is that

2856
02:22:04,770 --> 02:22:06,600
 we have always been ready, willing,

2857
02:22:06,600 --> 02:22:09,250
 and able to work with the city staff.

2858
02:22:09,250 --> 02:22:10,690
 We still are.

2859
02:22:10,690 --> 02:22:12,480
 We want your help.

2860
02:22:12,480 --> 02:22:16,120
 But just an example, on Friday morning,

2861
02:22:16,120 --> 02:22:18,720
 city staff reached out to me,

2862
02:22:18,720 --> 02:22:22,410
 asked me if I had any questions about the report.

2863
02:22:22,410 --> 02:22:23,850
 I said, yes, I do.

2864
02:22:23,850 --> 02:22:24,660
 - Thank you.

2865
02:22:24,660 --> 02:22:31,260
 - I suggested the question.

2866
02:22:31,260 --> 02:22:35,100
 - Thank you.

2867
02:22:35,100 --> 02:22:39,000
 - Okay, I will go to members of committee on this

2868
02:22:39,000 --> 02:22:40,080
 item.

2869
02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:45,100
 There is a motion that contains A, B, C, D, and E

2870
02:22:45,100 --> 02:22:49,220
 in the report, as well as the delegation

2871
02:22:49,220 --> 02:22:52,050
 and the communication that was received in the

2872
02:22:52,050 --> 02:22:53,370
 added agenda.

2873
02:22:53,370 --> 02:22:56,190
 I'm looking for a mover and a seconder on this

2874
02:22:56,190 --> 02:22:59,860
 so we can begin discussion on this item.

2875
02:22:59,860 --> 02:23:02,110
 Councillor Perbele, for a seconder, Councillor

2876
02:23:02,110 --> 02:23:02,460
 Hopkins,

2877
02:23:02,460 --> 02:23:04,780
 thank you, and with that, I will look for

2878
02:23:04,780 --> 02:23:11,830
 speakers.

2879
02:23:11,830 --> 02:23:20,400
 - Councillor Trossa.

2880
02:23:20,400 --> 02:23:22,570
 - First of all, thank you very much for your

2881
02:23:22,570 --> 02:23:24,190
 response.

2882
02:23:24,190 --> 02:23:27,580
 I know it's difficult to create a document

2883
02:23:27,580 --> 02:23:30,640
 with that level of detail given the time

2884
02:23:30,640 --> 02:23:32,410
 constraints.

2885
02:23:32,410 --> 02:23:34,570
 It's a persistent problem.

2886
02:23:34,570 --> 02:23:36,180
 I don't think it's anybody's fault.

2887
02:23:36,180 --> 02:23:38,150
 It's just this council is trying to condense

2888
02:23:38,150 --> 02:23:41,500
 a lot of business into a short amount of time

2889
02:23:41,500 --> 02:23:44,700
 and we'll be hearing more about that

2890
02:23:44,700 --> 02:23:47,080
 in the next item as well.

2891
02:23:47,080 --> 02:23:51,360
 But I do wanna thank you for your response.

2892
02:23:51,360 --> 02:23:54,280
 I think what I would really like to try to get

2893
02:23:54,280 --> 02:23:59,880
 to the bottom of is there's back and forth here.

2894
02:23:59,880 --> 02:24:03,240
 And I would really like to see the board, your

2895
02:24:03,240 --> 02:24:04,230
 board,

2896
02:24:04,230 --> 02:24:08,020
 get on the same page with city staff.

2897
02:24:08,020 --> 02:24:12,020
 Because ultimately, we all have a responsibility

2898
02:24:12,020 --> 02:24:14,360
 to the residents of the building.

2899
02:24:14,360 --> 02:24:19,250
 Not to escalate this or engage in such back and

2900
02:24:19,250 --> 02:24:19,550
 forth

2901
02:24:19,550 --> 02:24:22,180
 that it's gonna create a situation where we run

2902
02:24:22,180 --> 02:24:23,780
 the risk

2903
02:24:23,780 --> 02:24:26,010
 of this project failing.

2904
02:24:26,010 --> 02:24:28,600
 And it would be at the level of putting

2905
02:24:28,600 --> 02:24:33,000
 the residents of this property in jeopardy.

2906
02:24:33,000 --> 02:24:36,990
 That's why I actually really appreciate

2907
02:24:36,990 --> 02:24:39,700
 having this report come to us,

2908
02:24:39,700 --> 02:24:41,930
 getting to hear the response.

2909
02:24:41,930 --> 02:24:44,910
 But I feel that in the past,

2910
02:24:44,910 --> 02:24:48,660
 I don't feel that we've gotten this level of

2911
02:24:48,660 --> 02:24:49,890
 information.

2912
02:24:49,890 --> 02:24:52,250
 I have particular concerns,

2913
02:24:52,250 --> 02:24:54,570
 which I'd like to raise again.

2914
02:24:54,570 --> 02:24:58,680
 And that is, how could it have been the situation

2915
02:24:58,680 --> 02:25:03,970
 that the conditions in this premises were so dire

2916
02:25:03,970 --> 02:25:04,070
,

2917
02:25:03,970 --> 02:25:07,170
 were so bad, that would have risen to the level,

2918
02:25:07,170 --> 02:25:10,530
 that would have sunk to the level of a very poor

2919
02:25:10,530 --> 02:25:13,840
 if an asset management plan had been prepared.

2920
02:25:13,840 --> 02:25:19,620
 How was it the case that the previous

2921
02:25:19,620 --> 02:25:23,140
 Food Enforcement Administration allowed it

2922
02:25:23,140 --> 02:25:25,330
 to get to the point where it is right now?

2923
02:25:25,330 --> 02:25:28,500
 Why was this not dealt with,

2924
02:25:28,500 --> 02:25:32,590
 at least from a conditions abatement process

2925
02:25:32,590 --> 02:25:35,230
 earlier on?

2926
02:25:35,230 --> 02:25:36,020
 Oh, I'll leave that.

2927
02:25:36,020 --> 02:25:39,480
 - I think I'd ask Mr. Mathers that question

2928
02:25:39,480 --> 02:25:42,480
 because I know that the current incumbent

2929
02:25:42,480 --> 02:25:44,730
 in the position is relatively new

2930
02:25:44,730 --> 02:25:47,490
 and I see that this issue is being dealt with now

2931
02:25:47,490 --> 02:25:48,580
.

2932
02:25:48,580 --> 02:25:52,140
 What about over the years?

2933
02:25:52,140 --> 02:25:56,340
 - Mr. Mathers?

2934
02:25:56,340 --> 02:25:57,170
 - Through the chair.

2935
02:25:57,170 --> 02:25:59,020
 So there has been a number of issues over the

2936
02:25:59,020 --> 02:25:59,260
 years.

2937
02:25:59,260 --> 02:26:01,820
 I'll let Mr. Falberg get into that as well.

2938
02:26:01,820 --> 02:26:05,160
 So like anything, we're here to be able to

2939
02:26:05,160 --> 02:26:05,690
 respond

2940
02:26:05,690 --> 02:26:07,360
 to what we hear from the community

2941
02:26:07,360 --> 02:26:09,590
 and what we hear from counselors as well.

2942
02:26:09,590 --> 02:26:11,740
 So we've done our best to be able to proceed

2943
02:26:11,740 --> 02:26:13,250
 in that way over the years.

2944
02:26:13,250 --> 02:26:17,080
 And there is a significant number of back and

2945
02:26:17,080 --> 02:26:17,470
 forths

2946
02:26:17,470 --> 02:26:18,630
 from the compliance perspective.

2947
02:26:18,630 --> 02:26:20,260
 We're not gonna go through each one of those

2948
02:26:20,260 --> 02:26:21,010
 items today.

2949
02:26:21,010 --> 02:26:24,770
 So we are attempting to ensure

2950
02:26:24,770 --> 02:26:28,230
 that there's compliance with any city property

2951
02:26:28,230 --> 02:26:30,140
 or any time that we get into one of these

2952
02:26:30,140 --> 02:26:30,770
 situations.

2953
02:26:30,770 --> 02:26:33,080
 So we are attempting to do that, of course.

2954
02:26:33,080 --> 02:26:35,350
 I'll let Mr. Felberg add in anything else he

2955
02:26:35,350 --> 02:26:35,500
 wants

2956
02:26:35,500 --> 02:26:38,920
 to add in from a housing services perspective.

2957
02:26:38,920 --> 02:26:41,040
 - Thank you, Mr. Felberg.

2958
02:26:41,040 --> 02:26:43,320
 - Thank you, and through you, Madam Chair.

2959
02:26:43,320 --> 02:26:46,040
 So the response from Topparo is one

2960
02:26:46,040 --> 02:26:50,150
 that's really important because it's a yes-am.

2961
02:26:50,150 --> 02:26:52,660
 There's a lot of information in there.

2962
02:26:52,660 --> 02:26:54,790
 It's absolutely true when it comes to the system

2963
02:26:54,790 --> 02:26:58,260
 of around housing since devolution in the early

2964
02:26:58,260 --> 02:26:59,110
 2000s.

2965
02:26:59,110 --> 02:27:02,930
 We have a funding model and associated benchmarks

2966
02:27:02,930 --> 02:27:05,480
 that lag behind some of the economic realities

2967
02:27:05,480 --> 02:27:07,910
 that we currently have.

2968
02:27:07,910 --> 02:27:12,030
 items like utilities, insurance, security costs,

2969
02:27:12,030 --> 02:27:14,460
 contracted service, they often escalate faster

2970
02:27:14,460 --> 02:27:18,200
 than what our benchmarks are actually identifying

2971
02:27:18,200 --> 02:27:18,490
.

2972
02:27:18,490 --> 02:27:21,280
 This is compounded of course by requirements

2973
02:27:21,280 --> 02:27:24,430
 around life safety, accessibility, building code,

2974
02:27:24,430 --> 02:27:27,080
 any fire orders, and even pest management to some

2975
02:27:27,080 --> 02:27:27,580
 extent.

2976
02:27:27,580 --> 02:27:32,020
 And the reporting for that and staying on top of

2977
02:27:32,020 --> 02:27:32,460
 those things

2978
02:27:32,460 --> 02:27:36,090
 can create real capital pressures for different

2979
02:27:36,090 --> 02:27:37,240
 providers.

2980
02:27:37,240 --> 02:27:39,890
 In section 1.6 of the report, we do outline a

2981
02:27:39,890 --> 02:27:41,940
 number of events that have impacted operations,

2982
02:27:41,940 --> 02:27:44,220
 including unit damage and some of the board

2983
02:27:44,220 --> 02:27:47,840
 changeover. Not suggesting that is a reason why

2984
02:27:47,840 --> 02:27:48,160
 any of

2985
02:27:48,160 --> 02:27:50,440
 these things occurred, but it's another event

2986
02:27:50,440 --> 02:27:52,540
 that occurred in the life of this property.

2987
02:27:52,540 --> 02:27:56,050
 Section 2.1 talks about the financial health and

2988
02:27:56,050 --> 02:27:58,590
 the unit vacancies, and it also speaks to the

2989
02:27:58,590 --> 02:28:02,510
 capital investments into this property since 2022

2990
02:28:02,510 --> 02:28:05,050
 by the city. Ultimately, we talk about a

2991
02:28:05,050 --> 02:28:07,270
 transition plan. So how can we get from where we

2992
02:28:07,270 --> 02:28:09,990
 are today to where we have a place where people

2993
02:28:09,990 --> 02:28:13,430
 can call home and feel safe. And that transition

2994
02:28:13,430 --> 02:28:16,530
 plan includes a number of activities for us as

2995
02:28:16,530 --> 02:28:19,220
 the city to invest in and support the board in

2996
02:28:19,220 --> 02:28:22,110
 their desire to have a successful and safe place

2997
02:28:22,110 --> 02:28:27,110
 to live. Councillor. My understanding is based on

2998
02:28:27,110 --> 02:28:29,020
 what's in front of us right now,

2999
02:28:29,650 --> 02:28:33,810
 there is going to be another attempt to reconcile

3000
02:28:33,810 --> 02:28:40,300
 the situation between your office code

3001
02:28:40,300 --> 02:28:41,100
 enforcement

3002
02:28:41,100 --> 02:28:45,910
 and the tall puddle board and that further remed

3003
02:28:45,910 --> 02:28:49,680
ial action is not being taken at this point. Is

3004
02:28:49,680 --> 02:28:49,840
 that

3005
02:28:49,840 --> 02:28:59,570
 correct? Mr. Felberg. Thank you and through you

3006
02:28:59,570 --> 02:29:02,350
 Madam Chair. So the the the funding and the

3007
02:29:02,350 --> 02:29:05,600
 program that we've identified in the transition

3008
02:29:05,600 --> 02:29:08,420
 plan and the overall and the report itself,

3009
02:29:08,420 --> 02:29:11,250
 It talks about incorporating some of the items

3010
02:29:11,250 --> 02:29:13,840
 that were identified through the fire

3011
02:29:13,840 --> 02:29:17,290
 life safety inspection, the municipal compliance

3012
02:29:17,290 --> 02:29:19,830
 inspection, the septed reviews that were

3013
02:29:19,830 --> 02:29:20,470
 undertaken

3014
02:29:20,470 --> 02:29:22,690
 and then updating that in a comprehensive

3015
02:29:22,690 --> 02:29:25,250
 building condition assessment for us to be able

3016
02:29:25,250 --> 02:29:25,810
 to make

3017
02:29:25,810 --> 02:29:28,110
 those investments into the property and improve

3018
02:29:28,110 --> 02:29:30,920
 the capital needs. And what that allows us to do

3019
02:29:30,920 --> 02:29:34,810
 is have some efficiency in the costs and allow us

3020
02:29:34,810 --> 02:29:37,950
 to hopefully be able to put a few of these

3021
02:29:37,950 --> 02:29:40,770
 things together in order to minimize the scope of

3022
02:29:40,770 --> 02:29:41,900
 work that's required at the

3023
02:29:41,900 --> 02:29:46,300
 property. Councillor? Yes, thank you, thank you

3024
02:29:46,300 --> 02:29:49,070
 for that. My main concern here,

3025
02:29:49,070 --> 02:29:53,050
 just in case I haven't stated this yet, is the

3026
02:29:53,050 --> 02:29:55,190
 condition of the premises that

3027
02:29:55,190 --> 02:29:58,620
 the tenants have to live in. The tenants have the

3028
02:29:58,620 --> 02:30:00,160
 right under provincial and

3029
02:30:00,160 --> 02:30:03,350
 municipal law to have the systems working into

3030
02:30:03,350 --> 02:30:05,910
 live in good conditions. And I know

3031
02:30:05,910 --> 02:30:08,160
 we're dealing with very poor conditions as we

3032
02:30:08,160 --> 02:30:11,460
 have across many many many properties across the

3033
02:30:11,460 --> 02:30:15,700
 city. Topolo is not the only one that that that's

3034
02:30:15,700 --> 02:30:18,780
 a challenge but I do see that there is that there

3035
02:30:18,780 --> 02:30:21,350
 is going to be additional funding here. I'm very

3036
02:30:21,350 --> 02:30:25,370
 pleased to see that. I want to I would like to

3037
02:30:25,370 --> 02:30:25,550
 know

3038
02:30:25,550 --> 02:30:30,170
 when the civic administration is going to come

3039
02:30:30,170 --> 02:30:34,940
 back to this committee for sort of an update in

3040
02:30:34,940 --> 02:30:40,690
 in terms of how the remedial measures are going.

3041
02:30:40,690 --> 02:30:45,700
 I don't wanna hear that further sanctions have

3042
02:30:45,700 --> 02:30:46,630
 been imposed.

3043
02:30:46,630 --> 02:30:50,080
 I wanna hear an update on how this is a going

3044
02:30:50,080 --> 02:30:52,290
 before something even worse happens.

3045
02:30:52,290 --> 02:30:56,330
 Can you assure me that that's going to happen?

3046
02:30:56,330 --> 02:30:57,200
 - Mr. Felberg.

3047
02:30:57,200 --> 02:30:58,990
 - Through you, Madam Chair.

3048
02:30:58,990 --> 02:31:01,220
 So we've identified approximately six months for

3049
02:31:01,220 --> 02:31:01,370
 us

3050
02:31:01,370 --> 02:31:04,520
 to get from today to where we are in the future.

3051
02:31:04,520 --> 02:31:07,560
 So we've identified Q4 in the report.

3052
02:31:07,560 --> 02:31:10,130
 following committee today, we will be issuing the

3053
02:31:10,130 --> 02:31:10,470
 letter,

3054
02:31:10,470 --> 02:31:13,610
 the triggering event letter, which has a 60 day

3055
02:31:13,610 --> 02:31:14,710
 period

3056
02:31:14,710 --> 02:31:17,660
 for prior to it taking place.

3057
02:31:17,660 --> 02:31:19,020
 We'll notify the board.

3058
02:31:19,020 --> 02:31:20,830
 We'll also notify the province that this is

3059
02:31:20,830 --> 02:31:21,370
 occurring,

3060
02:31:21,370 --> 02:31:23,250
 but that doesn't mean that we will be sitting

3061
02:31:23,250 --> 02:31:23,650
 back

3062
02:31:23,650 --> 02:31:25,090
 and not taking action.

3063
02:31:25,090 --> 02:31:27,370
 We'll be reaching out to Ms. Phoenix and the

3064
02:31:27,370 --> 02:31:27,560
 board

3065
02:31:27,560 --> 02:31:29,640
 to start and the property manager

3066
02:31:29,640 --> 02:31:32,110
 to start discussing how we can get in there

3067
02:31:32,110 --> 02:31:33,750
 and start doing the building condition

3068
02:31:33,750 --> 02:31:34,310
 assessments,

3069
02:31:34,310 --> 02:31:36,190
 identifying the scope of different projects

3070
02:31:36,190 --> 02:31:38,730
 and starting to prioritize the work that needs to

3071
02:31:38,730 --> 02:31:39,460
 occur.

3072
02:31:39,460 --> 02:31:41,300
 Some of that will include the Coachee work

3073
02:31:41,300 --> 02:31:42,700
 that's already been identified

3074
02:31:42,700 --> 02:31:46,650
 and a significant portion of that will be closing

3075
02:31:46,650 --> 02:31:47,090
 the gap

3076
02:31:47,090 --> 02:31:49,800
 and completing the municipal compliance

3077
02:31:49,800 --> 02:31:53,250
 and fire order measures so that they can be

3078
02:31:53,250 --> 02:31:53,680
 completed

3079
02:31:53,680 --> 02:31:56,180
 and satisfied.

3080
02:31:56,180 --> 02:31:58,150
 - Councillor?

3081
02:31:58,150 --> 02:32:01,300
 - I'll yield for now.

3082
02:32:01,300 --> 02:32:02,270
 - Thank you and just so you know,

3083
02:32:02,270 --> 02:32:04,220
 you have just under a minute left when you come

3084
02:32:04,220 --> 02:32:04,740
 back.

3085
02:32:04,740 --> 02:32:10,140
 Any other speakers on this item?

3086
02:32:10,140 --> 02:32:12,980
 Councillor Frank, go ahead.

3087
02:32:12,980 --> 02:32:14,640
 - Thank you, yes, and I appreciate the

3088
02:32:14,640 --> 02:32:15,150
 information

3089
02:32:15,150 --> 02:32:17,040
 as well as the communication and delegation on

3090
02:32:17,040 --> 02:32:18,080
 this item.

3091
02:32:18,080 --> 02:32:21,480
 I am wondering, given there's a lot of

3092
02:32:21,480 --> 02:32:22,200
 information

3093
02:32:22,200 --> 02:32:25,640
 that's being circulated in this report as well as

3094
02:32:25,640 --> 02:32:27,060
 via email,

3095
02:32:27,060 --> 02:32:30,050
 if there's an ability for us to or authority

3096
02:32:30,050 --> 02:32:32,950
 to undertake an independent audit of this,

3097
02:32:32,950 --> 02:32:35,490
 what has occurred and what has led to the

3098
02:32:35,490 --> 02:32:36,700
 position

3099
02:32:36,700 --> 02:32:38,330
 for the building that we see in the condition now

3100
02:32:38,330 --> 02:32:38,430
,

3101
02:32:38,330 --> 02:32:40,800
 both from the organization side and the staff

3102
02:32:40,800 --> 02:32:41,200
 side,

3103
02:32:41,200 --> 02:32:43,070
 and if that's possible for us to do,

3104
02:32:43,070 --> 02:32:45,720
 just so that we have information similar to,

3105
02:32:45,720 --> 02:32:48,100
 we have the MMP audit for 122 baseline,

3106
02:32:48,100 --> 02:32:50,120
 we have a report that explains what happened,

3107
02:32:50,120 --> 02:32:52,490
 and in that way we can make sure that we can

3108
02:32:52,490 --> 02:32:52,970
 avoid

3109
02:32:52,970 --> 02:33:00,760
 the same pitfalls in the future.

3110
02:33:00,760 --> 02:33:17,670
 - Just a moment of staff confer, Mr. Felberg.

3111
02:33:17,670 --> 02:33:18,850
 - Thank you, and through Madam Chair.

3112
02:33:18,850 --> 02:33:20,860
 So under the Housing Services Act,

3113
02:33:20,860 --> 02:33:23,850
 we do have that authority to undertake an audit.

3114
02:33:23,850 --> 02:33:26,680
 I would look at an audit being very similar to

3115
02:33:26,680 --> 02:33:27,240
 something

3116
02:33:27,240 --> 02:33:28,990
 we do called an operational review.

3117
02:33:28,990 --> 02:33:30,470
 It's actually one of the things we do

3118
02:33:30,470 --> 02:33:33,010
 and we're assessing the service agreement

3119
02:33:33,010 --> 02:33:33,690
 requirements

3120
02:33:33,690 --> 02:33:38,070
 which are outlined in item 2.7 on today's agenda.

3121
02:33:38,070 --> 02:33:40,360
 So what we do is we'd go and we'd look at the

3122
02:33:40,360 --> 02:33:40,940
 governance model

3123
02:33:40,940 --> 02:33:43,610
 and some of the decision making efficiency.

3124
02:33:43,610 --> 02:33:45,360
 We'd look at financial operations

3125
02:33:45,360 --> 02:33:50,670
 and some of the matters around how any debts

3126
02:33:50,670 --> 02:33:53,600
 that are any debts and how the subsidies are

3127
02:33:53,600 --> 02:33:54,270
 being used.

3128
02:33:54,270 --> 02:33:57,670
 We'd also look at the requirements under the

3129
02:33:57,670 --> 02:33:58,190
 transferred

3130
02:33:58,190 --> 02:34:00,300
 housing project and whether our GI units

3131
02:34:00,300 --> 02:34:02,220
 to be delivered appropriately.

3132
02:34:02,220 --> 02:34:04,260
 And then we'd also assess the capital needs

3133
02:34:04,260 --> 02:34:06,650
 through the building condition assessment.

3134
02:34:06,650 --> 02:34:08,650
 That would be the typical approach

3135
02:34:08,650 --> 02:34:10,400
 from the service manager perspective,

3136
02:34:10,400 --> 02:34:13,080
 assessing any other matters in the building,

3137
02:34:13,080 --> 02:34:14,870
 any other activities.

3138
02:34:14,870 --> 02:34:16,620
 Wouldn't be something we would typically

3139
02:34:16,620 --> 02:34:17,230
 undertake.

3140
02:34:17,230 --> 02:34:21,300
 As far as the process, we would go out

3141
02:34:21,300 --> 02:34:22,930
 and procure a third party to do that

3142
02:34:22,930 --> 02:34:24,770
 as opposed to having staff do it.

3143
02:34:24,770 --> 02:34:26,810
 And then we'd work with the board and property

3144
02:34:26,810 --> 02:34:27,360
 management

3145
02:34:27,360 --> 02:34:28,920
 on how we can implement that

3146
02:34:28,920 --> 02:34:30,720
 in order to collect whatever information is

3147
02:34:30,720 --> 02:34:32,430
 required to do that.

3148
02:34:32,430 --> 02:34:35,270
 As far as cost go, I don't have a cost for you at

3149
02:34:35,270 --> 02:34:35,710
 this time,

3150
02:34:35,710 --> 02:34:39,100
 but we will assess that and consider that

3151
02:34:39,100 --> 02:34:41,910
 under our procurement policy.

3152
02:34:41,910 --> 02:34:43,510
 - Councillor Frank.

3153
02:34:43,510 --> 02:34:45,230
 - Thank you, perhaps then between now

3154
02:34:45,230 --> 02:34:47,260
 and council I'll ask for a bit more information,

3155
02:34:47,260 --> 02:34:50,140
 but I am also interested in understanding

3156
02:34:50,140 --> 02:34:52,750
 not only what is occurring within the housing co-

3157
02:34:52,750 --> 02:34:52,930
op,

3158
02:34:52,930 --> 02:34:55,880
 but also just the process and the relationship

3159
02:34:55,880 --> 02:34:57,830
 between staff and our departments as well.

3160
02:34:57,830 --> 02:34:59,750
 So I'm not sure if that could be included

3161
02:34:59,750 --> 02:35:02,940
 an external audit, but I think that this is an

3162
02:35:02,940 --> 02:35:05,490
 opportunity for us to learn from whatever

3163
02:35:05,490 --> 02:35:07,990
 has occurred. Obviously, we need to move forward

3164
02:35:07,990 --> 02:35:09,960
 at this point and address the ongoing issues

3165
02:35:09,960 --> 02:35:12,240
 at toll puddle, as well as trying to make sure

3166
02:35:12,240 --> 02:35:14,790
 that the building is safe and secure for tenants

3167
02:35:14,790 --> 02:35:17,920
 and for future tenants. But I also think this is,

3168
02:35:17,920 --> 02:35:20,090
 in my opinion, an opportunity for us to

3169
02:35:20,090 --> 02:35:21,910
 have an understanding of what occurred and just

3170
02:35:21,910 --> 02:35:23,530
 make sure that moving forward, we don't

3171
02:35:23,530 --> 02:35:25,800
 see something similar in the future. So perhaps

3172
02:35:25,800 --> 02:35:27,450
 between now and council, I'll have some chats

3173
02:35:27,450 --> 02:35:31,460
 to see what that might look like.

3174
02:35:31,460 --> 02:35:32,260
 - Thank you.

3175
02:35:32,260 --> 02:35:34,720
 I had Councilor Perbal next.

3176
02:35:34,720 --> 02:35:36,060
 - Thank you, sir, the chair to the staff.

3177
02:35:36,060 --> 02:35:37,290
 I question Ms. Phoenix.

3178
02:35:37,290 --> 02:35:39,240
 She mentioned that she sent on Friday

3179
02:35:39,240 --> 02:35:41,180
 some questions potentially comments.

3180
02:35:41,180 --> 02:35:42,410
 And it's not that I do expect us

3181
02:35:42,410 --> 02:35:44,360
 that we'll be replying or responding

3182
02:35:44,360 --> 02:35:46,150
 to her correspondence from Friday.

3183
02:35:46,150 --> 02:35:48,290
 But my question is,

3184
02:35:48,290 --> 02:35:51,030
 if someone from the staff has already read it,

3185
02:35:51,030 --> 02:35:52,660
 based on those questions comments,

3186
02:35:52,660 --> 02:35:55,960
 would there be any change in your report

3187
02:35:55,960 --> 02:35:57,590
 and the recommendations?

3188
02:35:57,590 --> 02:36:00,250
 Or would it still be very valid?

3189
02:36:00,250 --> 02:36:04,320
 you will just be responding to her, thank you.

3190
02:36:04,320 --> 02:36:06,100
 - Mr. Falberg.

3191
02:36:06,100 --> 02:36:07,300
 - Thank you, and to you Madam Chair,

3192
02:36:07,300 --> 02:36:11,320
 I think the transition plan is quite robust

3193
02:36:11,320 --> 02:36:13,150
 and it covers a lot of ground

3194
02:36:13,150 --> 02:36:15,110
 on what the operations would be.

3195
02:36:15,110 --> 02:36:16,800
 So I think what we would want to do

3196
02:36:16,800 --> 02:36:19,290
 is we'd want to look at if there are any changes

3197
02:36:19,290 --> 02:36:19,730
 required

3198
02:36:19,730 --> 02:36:22,080
 for that transition plan, I don't think so.

3199
02:36:22,080 --> 02:36:27,710
 The project in difficulty does grant the service

3200
02:36:27,710 --> 02:36:27,970
 manager

3201
02:36:30,500 --> 02:36:32,580
 a little bit more leeway to be able to flow

3202
02:36:32,580 --> 02:36:33,180
 funding

3203
02:36:33,180 --> 02:36:35,530
 and be able to work directly with the board

3204
02:36:35,530 --> 02:36:38,160
 in a different way than it normally would.

3205
02:36:38,160 --> 02:36:41,270
 So that is definitely a benefit to us.

3206
02:36:41,270 --> 02:36:43,220
 Bringing in mentorship is one of the things

3207
02:36:43,220 --> 02:36:45,170
 that we talked about as well.

3208
02:36:45,170 --> 02:36:47,290
 And that was on the table a number of years ago.

3209
02:36:47,290 --> 02:36:50,200
 We'd be bringing that back on as well.

3210
02:36:50,200 --> 02:36:52,310
 So I'll have to go back and look at the questions

3211
02:36:52,310 --> 02:36:53,710
 in detail and consider that.

3212
02:36:53,710 --> 02:36:56,140
 But I think the transition plan as it sits today

3213
02:36:56,140 --> 02:37:01,190
 is enough for us to act and change this property.

3214
02:37:01,190 --> 02:37:02,100
 - Councilor Perville.

3215
02:37:02,100 --> 02:37:04,330
 - Thank you and one follow-ups for the chair.

3216
02:37:04,330 --> 02:37:06,940
 If there would be something significant,

3217
02:37:06,940 --> 02:37:08,670
 I assume you would be coming back

3218
02:37:08,670 --> 02:37:10,910
 and you would update us before the council,

3219
02:37:10,910 --> 02:37:11,840
 correct?

3220
02:37:11,840 --> 02:37:13,940
 - Mr. Palberg.

3221
02:37:13,940 --> 02:37:15,360
 - Thank you through you Madam Chair.

3222
02:37:15,360 --> 02:37:17,100
 Yes, that would be my intention

3223
02:37:17,100 --> 02:37:18,830
 if it was changing the transition plan

3224
02:37:18,830 --> 02:37:19,590
 significantly.

3225
02:37:19,590 --> 02:37:23,140
 Yes, we would, we would update council.

3226
02:37:23,140 --> 02:37:23,940
 - Councilor?

3227
02:37:23,940 --> 02:37:24,740
 - Thank you very much.

3228
02:37:24,740 --> 02:37:26,320
 No more questions?

3229
02:37:26,320 --> 02:37:27,150
 - Thank you.

3230
02:37:27,150 --> 02:37:28,790
 - Councilor Hopkins.

3231
02:37:28,790 --> 02:37:31,730
 - Yeah, thank you Madam Chair and thanks to staff

3232
02:37:31,730 --> 02:37:33,100
 for their report.

3233
02:37:33,100 --> 02:37:36,230
 And thank you to Ms. Phoenix for being here.

3234
02:37:36,230 --> 02:37:38,810
 I know timelines are pretty short.

3235
02:37:38,810 --> 02:37:42,910
 Getting the board together is not easy to do

3236
02:37:42,910 --> 02:37:43,620
 sometimes

3237
02:37:43,620 --> 02:37:45,520
 with the limited time that you have.

3238
02:37:45,520 --> 02:37:47,220
 But I do appreciate you being here

3239
02:37:47,220 --> 02:37:50,650
 and explaining the board's position to us.

3240
02:37:50,650 --> 02:37:53,920
 I am supporting the recommendation

3241
02:37:53,920 --> 02:37:55,840
 as much as the capital improvements

3242
02:37:55,840 --> 02:38:00,310
 that are needed of over 700,000 to get toll p

3243
02:38:00,310 --> 02:38:00,820
uddle going again.

3244
02:38:02,040 --> 02:38:04,320
 And it's really for those tenants that are living

3245
02:38:04,320 --> 02:38:04,670
 there.

3246
02:38:04,670 --> 02:38:06,550
 And it's important.

3247
02:38:06,550 --> 02:38:11,490
 I think the recommendation in D is also important

3248
02:38:11,490 --> 02:38:11,590
.

3249
02:38:11,490 --> 02:38:14,480
 And that's that transition plan.

3250
02:38:14,480 --> 02:38:17,120
 That toe puddle, the board, and staff

3251
02:38:17,120 --> 02:38:21,390
 will be working together to deal with the ongoing

3252
02:38:21,390 --> 02:38:22,860
 discrepancies

3253
02:38:22,860 --> 02:38:26,580
 that have been noted.

3254
02:38:26,580 --> 02:38:30,030
 So I would really encourage the board and staff

3255
02:38:30,030 --> 02:38:34,180
 to work together and looking forward to an update

3256
02:38:34,180 --> 02:38:37,060
 coming back to council whenever that happens.

3257
02:38:37,060 --> 02:38:39,370
 So thank you.

3258
02:38:39,370 --> 02:38:41,230
 - Thank you, Councilor Ferrera.

3259
02:38:41,230 --> 02:38:42,540
 - Thank you, Chair.

3260
02:38:42,540 --> 02:38:45,030
 I guess I'll start with thanks to Ms. Phoenix

3261
02:38:45,030 --> 02:38:47,360
 for your delegation and your work.

3262
02:38:47,360 --> 02:38:50,660
 Thank you to staff for your work as well.

3263
02:38:50,660 --> 02:38:53,490
 And I would say, I think it's important moving

3264
02:38:53,490 --> 02:38:53,920
 forward

3265
02:38:53,920 --> 02:38:57,020
 that all parties, us, Toa Puddle,

3266
02:38:57,020 --> 02:38:58,610
 and everybody else involved,

3267
02:38:58,610 --> 02:39:00,610
 that we all work together in good faith,

3268
02:39:00,610 --> 02:39:03,430
 moving forward with the same common good and the

3269
02:39:03,430 --> 02:39:05,620
 goal of stabilizing this housing provider.

3270
02:39:05,620 --> 02:39:08,230
 There are people who are living there and in the

3271
02:39:08,230 --> 02:39:10,080
 end we all have the same objective

3272
02:39:10,080 --> 02:39:12,360
 and that objective is to make sure that we

3273
02:39:12,360 --> 02:39:14,780
 provide a safe living environment, we provide

3274
02:39:14,780 --> 02:39:17,910
 a clean living environment, we provide one that

3275
02:39:17,910 --> 02:39:20,610
 just raises and has a standard of living

3276
02:39:20,610 --> 02:39:23,430
 that everybody can be happy with and I know that

3277
02:39:23,430 --> 02:39:24,630
 can be achieved.

3278
02:39:24,630 --> 02:39:27,580
 I just would like to see what is the best way,

3279
02:39:27,580 --> 02:39:29,290
 the best path forward.

3280
02:39:29,290 --> 02:39:31,300
 I think what staff has presented to us

3281
02:39:31,300 --> 02:39:33,470
 and the conversations that we've had,

3282
02:39:33,470 --> 02:39:35,100
 I think this is a good path.

3283
02:39:35,100 --> 02:39:38,470
 And I really think that just it's a matter

3284
02:39:38,470 --> 02:39:40,020
 of we should be looking forward now

3285
02:39:40,020 --> 02:39:42,350
 rather than kind of what happened in the past.

3286
02:39:42,350 --> 02:39:44,000
 Like obviously we need to be informed of what

3287
02:39:44,000 --> 02:39:44,340
 happened

3288
02:39:44,340 --> 02:39:45,770
 in the past and ask those questions

3289
02:39:45,770 --> 02:39:47,990
 and get that clarification and use that

3290
02:39:47,990 --> 02:39:49,040
 information

3291
02:39:49,040 --> 02:39:52,820
 for how it is that we can bring that common state

3292
02:39:52,820 --> 02:39:54,290
 of what everybody is really looking for

3293
02:39:54,290 --> 02:39:56,510
 because I really think that we all have the same

3294
02:39:56,510 --> 02:39:56,960
 ideas

3295
02:39:56,960 --> 02:40:00,140
 what we would like to see toe puddle be.

3296
02:40:00,140 --> 02:40:03,040
 And I think that if we have that focus, we can

3297
02:40:03,040 --> 02:40:03,430
 get there.

3298
02:40:03,430 --> 02:40:07,140
 So I appreciate the comments that I heard here

3299
02:40:07,140 --> 02:40:07,500
 committee.

3300
02:40:07,500 --> 02:40:09,170
 I appreciate the work that's been done.

3301
02:40:09,170 --> 02:40:10,560
 And I think we can get there.

3302
02:40:10,560 --> 02:40:13,990
 So I guess I'll await for that report to come

3303
02:40:13,990 --> 02:40:15,290
 back in Q4

3304
02:40:15,290 --> 02:40:18,320
 and the work that's moving forward.

3305
02:40:18,320 --> 02:40:20,960
 So I appreciate just the conversation that we

3306
02:40:20,960 --> 02:40:21,260
 have.

3307
02:40:21,260 --> 02:40:22,610
 And I think that we can get there.

3308
02:40:22,610 --> 02:40:26,510
 So I have faith.

3309
02:40:26,510 --> 02:40:29,250
 - Thank you, looking for other speakers on this

3310
02:40:29,250 --> 02:40:31,040
 item.

3311
02:40:31,040 --> 02:40:32,870
 - Councilor Trossa, you've been a minute left, go

3312
02:40:32,870 --> 02:40:33,430
 ahead.

3313
02:40:33,430 --> 02:40:37,540
 - Yes, and I'm going to support this right now.

3314
02:40:37,540 --> 02:40:40,970
 I do have questions in my, my, my vote may change

3315
02:40:40,970 --> 02:40:43,370
 by council and I may want to put an amendment in,

3316
02:40:43,370 --> 02:40:47,140
 but one thing that I am concerned about is Q4.

3317
02:40:47,140 --> 02:40:51,330
 Well, that could be the end of December.

3318
02:40:51,330 --> 02:40:53,900
 This council's gone.

3319
02:40:53,900 --> 02:40:57,600
 I'm, I would really like to see that,

3320
02:40:57,600 --> 02:41:00,160
 at least an interim report moved up.

3321
02:41:00,160 --> 02:41:02,820
 I'm not going to put a motion on the table right

3322
02:41:02,820 --> 02:41:03,040
 now,

3323
02:41:03,040 --> 02:41:05,520
 but I need to better understand why we can't have

3324
02:41:05,520 --> 02:41:10,650
 an interim report over, at some point over the

3325
02:41:10,650 --> 02:41:10,750
 summer.

3326
02:41:10,650 --> 02:41:14,790
 I'm not asking for a full response on that right

3327
02:41:14,790 --> 02:41:15,160
 now,

3328
02:41:15,160 --> 02:41:18,550
 but just to let people know where I'm going on

3329
02:41:18,550 --> 02:41:18,860
 this,

3330
02:41:18,860 --> 02:41:21,300
 I'm not comfortable with the Q4.

3331
02:41:21,300 --> 02:41:26,340
 And I may raise that at council unless

3332
02:41:26,340 --> 02:41:28,640
 there's a real good reason for it.

3333
02:41:28,640 --> 02:41:30,380
 I know that you have a lot of things to do.

3334
02:41:30,380 --> 02:41:32,560
 I know staff has a lot of things to do,

3335
02:41:32,560 --> 02:41:34,100
 - But I think this council needs another--

3336
02:41:34,100 --> 02:41:35,690
 - Councillor, sorry, that's your time,

3337
02:41:35,690 --> 02:41:37,850
 but I'll let you wrap up.

3338
02:41:37,850 --> 02:41:40,120
 - Done.

3339
02:41:40,120 --> 02:41:41,570
 - Thank you.

3340
02:41:41,570 --> 02:41:42,970
 Okay, Councillor first.

3341
02:41:42,970 --> 02:41:44,400
 - Thanks, Chair.

3342
02:41:44,400 --> 02:41:46,090
 I know I have time, so I'm just gonna finish off

3343
02:41:46,090 --> 02:41:47,580
 with Councillor Trosto's question.

3344
02:41:47,580 --> 02:41:49,830
 So I know that there's a six month period

3345
02:41:49,830 --> 02:41:52,840
 that we're speaking about, and it is April 13th.

3346
02:41:52,840 --> 02:41:56,390
 So is, I know you have to obviously write reports

3347
02:41:56,390 --> 02:41:58,760
 and do that work there, but is the possibility

3348
02:41:58,760 --> 02:41:59,060
 there

3349
02:41:59,060 --> 02:42:00,780
 to bring it earlier on in Q4,

3350
02:42:00,780 --> 02:42:05,470
 rather than right at the end in December?

3351
02:42:05,470 --> 02:42:07,340
 - Mr. Felberg.

3352
02:42:07,340 --> 02:42:08,600
 - Thank you, and through you, Madam Chair.

3353
02:42:08,600 --> 02:42:13,540
 So if you go to, the first step is issuing

3354
02:42:13,540 --> 02:42:15,940
 that triggering event letter.

3355
02:42:15,940 --> 02:42:18,630
 So that has a 60 day period before it actually

3356
02:42:18,630 --> 02:42:19,690
 takes place.

3357
02:42:19,690 --> 02:42:21,610
 That said, we are gonna start work right away

3358
02:42:21,610 --> 02:42:23,920
 to start working with the board.

3359
02:42:23,920 --> 02:42:27,160
 A couple of the things in the transition planner

3360
02:42:27,160 --> 02:42:31,430
 actually fairly long periods of time, for example

3361
02:42:31,430 --> 02:42:31,530
,

3362
02:42:31,430 --> 02:42:34,870
 we'll be looking at implementing supportive

3363
02:42:34,870 --> 02:42:35,420
 housing,

3364
02:42:35,420 --> 02:42:36,810
 property management of the property.

3365
02:42:36,810 --> 02:42:39,410
 that's one of the items in the transition plan.

3366
02:42:39,410 --> 02:42:40,610
 But to do that, we need to go out

3367
02:42:40,610 --> 02:42:43,480
 and do some expressions of interest first.

3368
02:42:43,480 --> 02:42:45,350
 So we have to develop some procurement documents

3369
02:42:45,350 --> 02:42:47,470
 and then actually get it out on the street before

3370
02:42:47,470 --> 02:42:51,420
 and then assess and analyze any responses

3371
02:42:51,420 --> 02:42:52,260
 that we get back.

3372
02:42:52,260 --> 02:42:54,210
 So that's a few months of work

3373
02:42:54,210 --> 02:42:56,290
 prior to having something meaningful

3374
02:42:56,290 --> 02:42:58,090
 to talk to Council about.

3375
02:42:58,090 --> 02:43:03,200
 With respect to the capital work that needs to be

3376
02:43:03,200 --> 02:43:03,720
 done,

3377
02:43:03,720 --> 02:43:05,470
 one of the items in the transition plan

3378
02:43:05,470 --> 02:43:07,100
 is hiring a project manager.

3379
02:43:07,100 --> 02:43:09,010
 So again, there's a procurement element to that.

3380
02:43:09,010 --> 02:43:11,030
 We need to go out, we need to find a project

3381
02:43:11,030 --> 02:43:11,990
 manager.

3382
02:43:11,990 --> 02:43:14,660
 We also have to develop a building condition

3383
02:43:14,660 --> 02:43:15,370
 assessment

3384
02:43:15,370 --> 02:43:18,640
 and include the septed review

3385
02:43:18,640 --> 02:43:20,080
 that was previously done in that.

3386
02:43:20,080 --> 02:43:22,710
 So that is also a long period of time

3387
02:43:22,710 --> 02:43:25,070
 for us to undertake some of that work.

3388
02:43:25,070 --> 02:43:27,460
 What I can say is that in the short-term priority

3389
02:43:27,460 --> 02:43:29,930
 will be to ensure that those fire orders

3390
02:43:29,930 --> 02:43:32,220
 and items under the fire life safety are

3391
02:43:32,220 --> 02:43:32,530
 addressed

3392
02:43:32,530 --> 02:43:34,920
 as well as the municipal compliance matters.

3393
02:43:34,920 --> 02:43:37,040
 Those are the short-term quick,

3394
02:43:37,040 --> 02:43:37,920
 I wouldn't say quick wins,

3395
02:43:37,920 --> 02:43:39,670
 but the things that we want to get done in the

3396
02:43:39,670 --> 02:43:40,270
 short-term,

3397
02:43:40,270 --> 02:43:44,060
 and that's part of what the funding is for.

3398
02:43:44,060 --> 02:43:45,820
 There is also a business case submitted

3399
02:43:45,820 --> 02:43:48,970
 by Apex Property Management on behalf of Toa P

3400
02:43:48,970 --> 02:43:49,570
uddle,

3401
02:43:49,570 --> 02:43:51,450
 quite detailed in what they're looking for.

3402
02:43:51,450 --> 02:43:55,120
 So we'd look to refine some of the asks in there

3403
02:43:55,120 --> 02:43:56,510
 as well,

3404
02:43:56,510 --> 02:43:59,710
 and look to try and get some of that done.

3405
02:43:59,710 --> 02:44:03,250
 So I don't know that we'd have anything

3406
02:44:03,250 --> 02:44:04,990
 all that meaningful to speak about,

3407
02:44:04,990 --> 02:44:07,880
 And that's why we're suggesting that Q4 appear to

3408
02:44:07,880 --> 02:44:08,150
 give us

3409
02:44:08,150 --> 02:44:11,230
 about six months to get through the work.

3410
02:44:11,230 --> 02:44:12,140
 - Councilor.

3411
02:44:12,140 --> 02:44:12,960
 - Thank you.

3412
02:44:12,960 --> 02:44:15,080
 So it sounds like Q4 is kind of ambitious

3413
02:44:15,080 --> 02:44:17,250
 with all the work that we have in there.

3414
02:44:17,250 --> 02:44:18,070
 Okay.

3415
02:44:18,070 --> 02:44:18,890
 I appreciate the response.

3416
02:44:18,890 --> 02:44:19,700
 Thank you.

3417
02:44:19,700 --> 02:44:22,100
 No further questions.

3418
02:44:22,100 --> 02:44:22,920
 - Thank you.

3419
02:44:22,920 --> 02:44:25,840
 I'll ask Councillor Purple to take the chair.

3420
02:44:25,840 --> 02:44:29,050
 - I have the chair and I recognize Councillor Ram

3421
02:44:29,050 --> 02:44:29,240
en.

3422
02:44:29,240 --> 02:44:31,910
 - Thank you and through you, a presiding officer.

3423
02:44:31,910 --> 02:44:35,010
 First, I wanted to say thank you to Ms. Phoenix

3424
02:44:35,010 --> 02:44:39,290
 for the delegation but also for the media

3425
02:44:39,290 --> 02:44:39,980
 attention

3426
02:44:39,980 --> 02:44:43,800
 as well as to the word counselor

3427
02:44:43,800 --> 02:44:45,630
 for raising this issue as well.

3428
02:44:45,630 --> 02:44:50,230
 I do note that staff were working on bringing

3429
02:44:50,230 --> 02:44:50,770
 something

3430
02:44:50,770 --> 02:44:54,250
 forward because this was something that had been

3431
02:44:54,250 --> 02:44:54,810
 raised

3432
02:44:54,810 --> 02:44:57,990
 and was flagged and it was also the subject

3433
02:44:57,990 --> 02:45:01,340
 of an earlier report.

3434
02:45:01,340 --> 02:45:03,400
 There was a mention of that this was coming

3435
02:45:03,400 --> 02:45:04,290
 forward as well.

3436
02:45:04,290 --> 02:45:07,150
 So I know that that was in staff's work plan

3437
02:45:07,150 --> 02:45:08,530
 and was on its way.

3438
02:45:08,530 --> 02:45:13,670
 I just wanna say to staff and to the public,

3439
02:45:13,670 --> 02:45:15,630
 first, thank you for the information,

3440
02:45:15,630 --> 02:45:20,180
 the addressing concerns when a staff report comes

3441
02:45:20,180 --> 02:45:20,280
,

3442
02:45:20,180 --> 02:45:22,460
 it is quite difficult to meet that turnaround

3443
02:45:22,460 --> 02:45:22,610
 time

3444
02:45:22,610 --> 02:45:25,220
 and I know a lot of people in the public struggle

3445
02:45:25,220 --> 02:45:25,560
 with that.

3446
02:45:25,560 --> 02:45:28,670
 So it is something that we need to look at

3447
02:45:28,670 --> 02:45:30,190
 changing in our practice a bit

3448
02:45:30,190 --> 02:45:32,720
 and something that we need to give some thought

3449
02:45:32,720 --> 02:45:32,980
 to.

3450
02:45:33,980 --> 02:45:35,450
 However, right now that's a practice.

3451
02:45:35,450 --> 02:45:38,050
 So we all struggle with the same deadlines

3452
02:45:38,050 --> 02:45:40,200
 and we have letters flying around at all hours

3453
02:45:40,200 --> 02:45:43,190
 in the morning trying to get things in as well.

3454
02:45:43,190 --> 02:45:47,010
 On this item, I just wanted to say that I hear

3455
02:45:47,010 --> 02:45:49,760
 what Mr. Felberg is saying, that city staff

3456
02:45:49,760 --> 02:45:52,670
 are going to undertake quick start actions

3457
02:45:52,670 --> 02:45:56,030
 as we call them as soon as possible

3458
02:45:56,030 --> 02:45:57,900
 to address the fire compliance

3459
02:45:57,900 --> 02:46:00,390
 and the municipal compliance issues.

3460
02:46:00,390 --> 02:46:03,330
 And I think those are priorities that we're all

3461
02:46:03,330 --> 02:46:03,680
 hearing.

3462
02:46:03,680 --> 02:46:06,090
 We're all saying that that matters, that needs to

3463
02:46:06,090 --> 02:46:06,560
 be done,

3464
02:46:06,560 --> 02:46:09,390
 that's part of our compliance regime anyways,

3465
02:46:09,390 --> 02:46:12,100
 as we still at the same time undertake

3466
02:46:12,100 --> 02:46:16,970
 that waiting period of 60 days to engage

3467
02:46:16,970 --> 02:46:19,080
 with the process that we have in place.

3468
02:46:19,080 --> 02:46:22,270
 And I know this is sometimes difficult

3469
02:46:22,270 --> 02:46:24,350
 for the public to understand, I think,

3470
02:46:24,350 --> 02:46:27,490
 that we have quite a process in order

3471
02:46:27,490 --> 02:46:31,060
 to address these types of concerns.

3472
02:46:31,060 --> 02:46:32,840
 And I'm just wondering if you might be able to

3473
02:46:32,840 --> 02:46:33,200
 speak

3474
02:46:33,200 --> 02:46:38,370
 to from a process perspective, how I know this

3475
02:46:38,370 --> 02:46:39,240
 isn't just us.

3476
02:46:39,240 --> 02:46:42,460
 It's because of a provincial regulation

3477
02:46:42,460 --> 02:46:44,540
 that we have to follow around these types of

3478
02:46:44,540 --> 02:46:45,880
 agreements.

3479
02:46:45,880 --> 02:46:48,570
 But we are trying to do whatever we can to

3480
02:46:48,570 --> 02:46:50,370
 address these things

3481
02:46:50,370 --> 02:46:54,140
 without delays because of the process.

3482
02:46:54,140 --> 02:46:57,210
 And from what I read in the report,

3483
02:46:57,210 --> 02:47:00,770
 we have a transition plan with a two to three-

3484
02:47:00,770 --> 02:47:01,710
year commitment

3485
02:47:01,710 --> 02:47:03,100
 to continue to assess.

3486
02:47:03,100 --> 02:47:06,230
 So again, setting some targets around the

3487
02:47:06,230 --> 02:47:06,530
 reduction

3488
02:47:06,530 --> 02:47:09,360
 of the vacancies to normal operating levels,

3489
02:47:09,360 --> 02:47:11,270
 reducing bad debt expenses,

3490
02:47:11,270 --> 02:47:13,860
 decreasing the municipal compliance orders,

3491
02:47:13,860 --> 02:47:15,500
 and so on and so forth.

3492
02:47:15,500 --> 02:47:20,190
 So again, looking for some of those benchmarks

3493
02:47:20,190 --> 02:47:23,000
 that we will or indicators that we will work

3494
02:47:23,000 --> 02:47:23,560
 towards

3495
02:47:23,560 --> 02:47:26,660
 in order to show that we're addressing the

3496
02:47:26,660 --> 02:47:27,000
 concerns

3497
02:47:27,000 --> 02:47:28,700
 and meeting metrics.

3498
02:47:28,700 --> 02:47:31,020
 But with the reporting structure,

3499
02:47:31,020 --> 02:47:32,750
 and I'm wondering, and I think we're hearing this

3500
02:47:32,750 --> 02:47:35,680
 repeatedly is that although it's Q4

3501
02:47:35,680 --> 02:47:37,410
 that we'll receive a report,

3502
02:47:37,410 --> 02:47:40,990
 there is options if things need to be brought

3503
02:47:40,990 --> 02:47:43,810
 to council's attention in a more urgent fashion

3504
02:47:43,810 --> 02:47:44,610
 to do so

3505
02:47:44,610 --> 02:47:46,950
 and whether or not those memos and things like

3506
02:47:46,950 --> 02:47:47,150
 that

3507
02:47:47,150 --> 02:47:49,340
 will be utilized if needed and necessary

3508
02:47:49,340 --> 02:47:52,400
 to communicate to us, so I just wanted to confirm

3509
02:47:52,400 --> 02:47:53,600
 that.

3510
02:47:53,600 --> 02:47:56,540
 - And going to the staff for response.

3511
02:47:56,540 --> 02:47:59,140
 - Thank you and through you Mr. Presiding Officer

3512
02:47:59,140 --> 02:47:59,240
.

3513
02:47:59,140 --> 02:48:01,300
 So yes, absolutely, if there are,

3514
02:48:01,300 --> 02:48:03,370
 if there is intervention required by council,

3515
02:48:03,370 --> 02:48:06,430
 if we are finding that we're not able to meet

3516
02:48:06,430 --> 02:48:08,040
 some of the terms of the transition plan

3517
02:48:08,040 --> 02:48:10,840
 for whatever reason, we can bring something back,

3518
02:48:10,840 --> 02:48:14,150
 either as you suggested, a memo or a report.

3519
02:48:14,150 --> 02:48:17,190
 The benchmarks you noted, they are identified

3520
02:48:17,190 --> 02:48:19,210
 in the report of certain things that we're

3521
02:48:19,210 --> 02:48:19,700
 looking for,

3522
02:48:19,700 --> 02:48:22,220
 so those reduction of vacancies that improve

3523
02:48:22,220 --> 02:48:24,420
 debris is management and that bad debt expense,

3524
02:48:24,420 --> 02:48:26,450
 being able to resolve some of those matters,

3525
02:48:26,450 --> 02:48:29,010
 and then you see also the compliance orders

3526
02:48:29,010 --> 02:48:31,160
 in the fire code violations.

3527
02:48:31,160 --> 02:48:33,400
 in speaking with the fire department as well.

3528
02:48:33,400 --> 02:48:36,240
 They've also offered to come in and do not

3529
02:48:36,240 --> 02:48:37,090
 inspections,

3530
02:48:37,090 --> 02:48:39,070
 but be able to support the building

3531
02:48:39,070 --> 02:48:42,510
 with their operations from a fire life safety

3532
02:48:42,510 --> 02:48:42,900
 perspective.

3533
02:48:42,900 --> 02:48:46,060
 And that could be every few months.

3534
02:48:46,060 --> 02:48:47,260
 We need to work that out,

3535
02:48:47,260 --> 02:48:49,410
 but that's an offer that they've made to

3536
02:48:49,410 --> 02:48:51,210
 through the municipal housing team,

3537
02:48:51,210 --> 02:48:54,930
 which will also relate to the toll puddle board

3538
02:48:54,930 --> 02:48:55,600
 as well

3539
02:48:55,600 --> 02:48:57,480
 as something that they can do in order to stay on

3540
02:48:57,480 --> 02:48:57,720
 top

3541
02:48:57,720 --> 02:48:59,420
 of some of those things.

3542
02:48:59,420 --> 02:49:01,900
 - Councillor.

3543
02:49:01,900 --> 02:49:03,190
 - Thank you, and that's helpful.

3544
02:49:03,190 --> 02:49:05,840
 And I just want to conclude with,

3545
02:49:05,840 --> 02:49:09,610
 I understand and I see the willingness by all

3546
02:49:09,610 --> 02:49:10,260
 partners

3547
02:49:10,260 --> 02:49:13,290
 to get to the table and work towards a solution.

3548
02:49:13,290 --> 02:49:16,550
 So I'm very hopeful that we can do so

3549
02:49:16,550 --> 02:49:19,420
 and continue on down a viable path to make sure

3550
02:49:19,420 --> 02:49:22,840
 that we provide safe housing for everyone.

3551
02:49:22,840 --> 02:49:24,890
 So thank you to everyone that's spoken on this

3552
02:49:24,890 --> 02:49:25,230
 matter,

3553
02:49:25,230 --> 02:49:27,720
 and I look forward to seeing more progress on

3554
02:49:27,720 --> 02:49:28,500
 this file.

3555
02:49:28,500 --> 02:49:29,670
 Thank you.

3556
02:49:29,670 --> 02:49:34,560
 - Thank you, and I just had a request to call E

3557
02:49:34,560 --> 02:49:35,240
 separately.

3558
02:49:35,240 --> 02:49:36,800
 - Hello, thank you, Councillor.

3559
02:49:36,800 --> 02:49:38,670
 I'm returning to chair back to you.

3560
02:49:38,670 --> 02:49:40,010
 - Thank you for tuning the chair,

3561
02:49:40,010 --> 02:49:45,700
 and we will pull that apart to pull E separately.

3562
02:49:45,700 --> 02:49:48,760
 Okay, with that, we will look to open the vote

3563
02:49:48,760 --> 02:49:53,230
 on A through D, and that vote will be open just a

3564
02:49:53,230 --> 02:50:39,010
 moment.

3565
02:50:39,010 --> 02:50:40,970
 - Opposing the vote, the motion carries five to

3566
02:50:40,970 --> 02:50:41,710
 zero.

3567
02:50:41,710 --> 02:50:45,950
 - Thank you, and that will look for item E

3568
02:50:45,950 --> 02:50:48,090
 to be put on the floor.

3569
02:50:48,090 --> 02:50:49,410
 We're sorry, not put on the floor to open the

3570
02:50:49,410 --> 02:50:49,620
 vote,

3571
02:50:49,620 --> 02:51:14,510
 just a moment.

3572
02:51:14,510 --> 02:51:18,830
 the motion carries four to one.

3573
02:51:18,830 --> 02:51:19,660
 - Thank you with that.

3574
02:51:19,660 --> 02:51:20,580
 I'm in committee's hands.

3575
02:51:20,580 --> 02:51:23,130
 We can go to item five and deal with the one item

3576
02:51:23,130 --> 02:51:25,520
 that we have of which there's a referral to be

3577
02:51:25,520 --> 02:51:26,040
 introduced

3578
02:51:26,040 --> 02:51:27,110
 or we can take a break.

3579
02:51:27,110 --> 02:51:28,390
 It's up to committee.

3580
02:51:28,390 --> 02:51:31,180
 Councilor Hopkins, I saw your hand, go ahead.

3581
02:51:31,180 --> 02:51:35,500
 - If we could proceed.

3582
02:51:35,500 --> 02:51:38,010
 - Okay, not seeing anything different at this

3583
02:51:38,010 --> 02:51:38,360
 point.

3584
02:51:38,360 --> 02:51:43,290
 So we are onto item 2.6, which is the run ev

3585
02:51:43,290 --> 02:51:43,390
ictions,

3586
02:51:43,330 --> 02:51:47,160
 rental unit repair licensing program one year

3587
02:51:47,160 --> 02:51:47,660
 update.

3588
02:51:47,660 --> 02:51:50,430
 and I will go to Councillor Ferreira.

3589
02:51:50,430 --> 02:51:51,220
 - Thanks, Chair.

3590
02:51:51,220 --> 02:51:55,580
 I'd like to put a referral on the floor.

3591
02:51:55,580 --> 02:51:58,330
 I did circulate it, I do believe I have a second

3592
02:51:58,330 --> 02:51:58,690
er,

3593
02:51:58,690 --> 02:52:00,890
 and I can read it out if you want, just let me

3594
02:52:00,890 --> 02:52:03,080
 know.

3595
02:52:03,080 --> 02:52:05,220
 - Thank you, if you don't mind.

3596
02:52:05,220 --> 02:52:09,820
 - I, so the referral is that the staff report

3597
02:52:09,820 --> 02:52:10,140
 dated

3598
02:52:10,140 --> 02:52:13,320
 April 13th, 2026 entitled Renavictions,

3599
02:52:13,320 --> 02:52:15,480
 Rental Repair Licensing Program.

3600
02:52:15,480 --> 02:52:18,550
 One year update, be referred to the next meeting

3601
02:52:18,550 --> 02:52:19,800
 of the Community and Protective Services

3602
02:52:19,800 --> 02:52:20,160
 Committee

3603
02:52:20,160 --> 02:52:22,130
 for further consultation with stakeholders,

3604
02:52:22,130 --> 02:52:24,720
 including but not limited to neighborhood legal

3605
02:52:24,720 --> 02:52:25,400
 services,

3606
02:52:25,400 --> 02:52:30,950
 London and Middlesex Acorn, and life's been,

3607
02:52:30,950 --> 02:52:32,510
 and for the report back to come to committee.

3608
02:52:32,510 --> 02:52:34,420
 And I actually see that I have life span written

3609
02:52:34,420 --> 02:52:34,670
 here.

3610
02:52:34,670 --> 02:52:37,200
 So if the clerks can just put life spin for that,

3611
02:52:37,200 --> 02:52:42,900
 Mark.

3612
02:52:42,900 --> 02:52:45,120
 - And I'll look for a second.

3613
02:52:45,120 --> 02:52:50,850
 Councillor Trossa, thank you.

3614
02:52:50,850 --> 02:52:52,740
 Any discussion on the referral?

3615
02:52:52,740 --> 02:52:54,250
 Councillor Peraire, go ahead.

3616
02:52:54,250 --> 02:52:55,090
 - Thank you.

3617
02:52:55,090 --> 02:52:55,920
 The reason I'm just bringing it forward

3618
02:52:55,920 --> 02:52:57,390
 is 'cause stakeholders did reach out

3619
02:52:57,390 --> 02:52:59,660
 and they were seeking further consultation.

3620
02:52:59,660 --> 02:53:01,170
 We had neighborhood legal services,

3621
02:53:01,170 --> 02:53:03,230
 London and Middlesex and Acorn.

3622
02:53:03,230 --> 02:53:05,340
 and I haven't heard from Lifespin yet,

3623
02:53:05,340 --> 02:53:07,890
 but I just want to ensure that the committee

3624
02:53:07,890 --> 02:53:11,600
 has the benefit of a fuller input

3625
02:53:11,600 --> 02:53:13,260
 before making a decision.

3626
02:53:13,260 --> 02:53:17,470
 So that's why I've moved the referral.

3627
02:53:17,470 --> 02:53:21,330
 - Thank you, Councillor Truss.

3628
02:53:21,330 --> 02:53:24,850
 - I appreciate through the chair our press staff

3629
02:53:24,850 --> 02:53:25,040
 is,

3630
02:53:25,040 --> 02:53:29,640
 and I know that we have been placing incredible,

3631
02:53:29,640 --> 02:53:35,210
 unusual demands on particularly this department.

3632
02:53:35,210 --> 02:53:38,120
 And I know that there are incredible demands

3633
02:53:38,120 --> 02:53:41,030
 from the city clerk's office to get these agendas

3634
02:53:41,030 --> 02:53:43,140
 out on time.

3635
02:53:43,140 --> 02:53:47,380
 But honestly, when something is a one year review

3636
02:53:47,380 --> 02:53:47,480
,

3637
02:53:47,380 --> 02:53:50,890
 the public has to have the opportunity

3638
02:53:50,890 --> 02:53:53,790
 to have more than a few hours to digest it.

3639
02:53:53,790 --> 02:53:56,270
 And I think that that's, I think everybody,

3640
02:53:56,270 --> 02:53:58,880
 I hope everybody agrees with that.

3641
02:53:58,880 --> 02:54:03,070
 I have no problem with a lot of the things

3642
02:54:03,070 --> 02:54:04,640
 that have been written.

3643
02:54:04,640 --> 02:54:06,900
 I have questions about some of them.

3644
02:54:06,900 --> 02:54:12,130
 But for me, the part of the report that I'm not

3645
02:54:12,130 --> 02:54:12,790
 comfortable

3646
02:54:12,790 --> 02:54:15,790
 with is what's not being stated there.

3647
02:54:15,790 --> 02:54:20,580
 And I need to give the other organizations

3648
02:54:20,580 --> 02:54:22,870
 that have been working on this issue from the

3649
02:54:22,870 --> 02:54:24,200
 very beginning.

3650
02:54:24,200 --> 02:54:26,700
 So I just hope that colleagues will go along with

3651
02:54:26,700 --> 02:54:28,210
 this referral.

3652
02:54:28,210 --> 02:54:33,510
 And I hope that if nothing else will give the

3653
02:54:33,510 --> 02:54:34,780
 other organizations

3654
02:54:34,780 --> 02:54:38,260
 the chance to make a proper agenda presentation

3655
02:54:38,260 --> 02:54:40,840
 and perhaps a delegation request.

3656
02:54:40,840 --> 02:54:41,880
 So thank you very much.

3657
02:54:41,880 --> 02:54:44,510
 And again, thank you so much to the staff.

3658
02:54:44,510 --> 02:54:47,730
 I know how hard you've worked on this.

3659
02:54:47,730 --> 02:54:49,000
 Same thing for the court.

3660
02:54:49,000 --> 02:54:50,430
 - Councillor Hopkins.

3661
02:54:50,430 --> 02:54:51,370
 - Thank you.

3662
02:54:51,370 --> 02:54:53,150
 - Councillor Hopkins.

3663
02:54:53,150 --> 02:54:55,340
 - Yeah, just a quick question through you to

3664
02:54:55,340 --> 02:54:56,410
 staff.

3665
02:54:56,410 --> 02:54:59,890
 Would one month be enough to meet with the

3666
02:54:59,890 --> 02:55:00,570
 stakeholders

3667
02:55:00,570 --> 02:55:01,390
 in the community?

3668
02:55:01,390 --> 02:55:06,040
 just want to have a sense of this is an update.

3669
02:55:06,040 --> 02:55:09,250
 Do we need a little bit more time?

3670
02:55:09,250 --> 02:55:14,400
 Just want to be open to hearing back from staff.

3671
02:55:14,400 --> 02:55:17,030
 - Thank you, I'll go to Ms. Pepper.

3672
02:55:17,030 --> 02:55:18,450
 - Through you, Madam Chair.

3673
02:55:18,450 --> 02:55:21,360
 I do believe that one month will be sufficient.

3674
02:55:21,360 --> 02:55:24,310
 We're looking specifically at one of the proposed

3675
02:55:24,310 --> 02:55:27,940
 bylaw amendments that has created some tension.

3676
02:55:27,940 --> 02:55:29,850
 And I think through further conversation,

3677
02:55:29,850 --> 02:55:32,980
 we may have a solution that is palatable on both

3678
02:55:32,980 --> 02:55:33,320
 sides

3679
02:55:33,320 --> 02:55:35,590
 to accomplish what we're trying to do

3680
02:55:35,590 --> 02:55:37,380
 with this proposed change.

3681
02:55:37,380 --> 02:55:39,420
 So I think it is a reasonable amount of time

3682
02:55:39,420 --> 02:55:41,340
 and pushing it any further will put it into

3683
02:55:41,340 --> 02:55:41,770
 conflict

3684
02:55:41,770 --> 02:55:45,710
 with several of our other required reports.

3685
02:55:45,710 --> 02:55:48,270
 So I like the one month timeframe.

3686
02:55:48,270 --> 02:55:49,490
 - Councillor.

3687
02:55:49,490 --> 02:55:50,250
 - Good to hear.

3688
02:55:50,250 --> 02:55:52,090
 I'm supportive.

3689
02:55:52,090 --> 02:55:55,060
 - Thank you, looking for any other speakers.

3690
02:55:55,060 --> 02:55:58,030
 Okay, seeing none, we will look to open the vote

3691
02:55:58,030 --> 02:56:06,450
 on the referral.

3692
02:56:06,450 --> 02:56:13,120
 - Councillor Trozzell, closing the vote.

3693
02:56:13,120 --> 02:56:15,880
 The motion carries five to zero.

3694
02:56:15,880 --> 02:56:16,710
 - Okay, thank you.

3695
02:56:16,710 --> 02:56:18,190
 That takes us to item seven, adjournment,

3696
02:56:18,190 --> 02:56:20,620
 looking for a mover and seconder, Councillor Fer

3697
02:56:20,620 --> 02:56:21,640
rera.

3698
02:56:21,640 --> 02:56:23,850
 Councillor Per beau, thank you by hand, all in

3699
02:56:23,850 --> 02:56:26,020
 favor.

3700
02:56:26,020 --> 02:56:26,980
 That motion carries.

3701
02:56:26,980 --> 02:56:28,060
 Thanks everyone, have a great evening.