1 00:01:44,260 --> 00:13:08,110 [ Inaudible ] 2 00:13:08,110 --> 00:19:35,040 >> Good afternoon, everyone. 3 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,880 We are going to get started with the ninth 4 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:37,320 meaning 5 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,230 of the Community and Protective Services 6 00:19:39,230 --> 00:19:39,780 Committee. 7 00:19:39,780 --> 00:19:42,010 We'll start with the land acknowledgement. 8 00:19:42,010 --> 00:19:44,420 The city of London is situated on the traditional 9 00:19:44,420 --> 00:19:44,700 lands 10 00:19:44,700 --> 00:19:46,880 of the Anishinaabeck, Haudenosaunee, 11 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,030 Lenapuik, and Adewandran. 12 00:19:49,030 --> 00:19:51,860 We honor and respect the history, languages, 13 00:19:51,860 --> 00:19:54,280 and culture of the diverse indigenous people 14 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,190 who call this territory home. 15 00:19:56,190 --> 00:19:57,790 The city of London is currently home 16 00:19:57,790 --> 00:20:01,010 to many First Nation, Métis, and Inuit today. 17 00:20:01,010 --> 00:20:03,390 As representatives of the people of the city of 18 00:20:03,390 --> 00:20:03,560 London, 19 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,350 we are grateful to have the opportunity 20 00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:10,370 to live, work and live and work in this territory 21 00:20:10,370 --> 00:20:10,660 . 22 00:20:10,660 --> 00:20:14,040 With that, I will also share a communication 23 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:14,510 disclosure 24 00:20:14,510 --> 00:20:16,500 the city of London is committed to making every 25 00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:16,820 effort 26 00:20:16,820 --> 00:20:19,790 to provide alternate formats and communication 27 00:20:19,790 --> 00:20:19,990 supports 28 00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:21,540 for meetings upon request. 29 00:20:21,540 --> 00:20:24,220 To make a request specific to this meeting, 30 00:20:24,220 --> 00:20:29,550 please contact CPSC@London.ca or 519-661-2489 31 00:20:29,550 --> 00:20:32,170 extension 2425. 32 00:20:32,170 --> 00:20:33,520 And with that, we're on item one, 33 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:40,640 which is the disclosures of pecuniary interest. 34 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,200 Okay, seeing none, we'll move on to our consent 35 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,010 items. 36 00:20:45,010 --> 00:20:48,060 We have a number of items under consent. 37 00:20:48,060 --> 00:20:53,080 So far, I've received requests to pull 2.7, 2.9 38 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,620 to be dealt with at an upcoming meeting. 39 00:20:57,620 --> 00:21:07,010 And is there any other requests to pull items? 40 00:21:07,010 --> 00:21:10,710 Okay, seeing none, I will look for a mover and 41 00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:11,270 seconder 42 00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:12,640 for the items that are on consent. 43 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,540 I have Councillor Ferrera and Councillor Pribble. 44 00:21:15,540 --> 00:21:19,170 Thank you for everything, but 2.7 and 2.9. 45 00:21:19,170 --> 00:21:22,160 We will begin discussion and looking for speakers 46 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,600 . 47 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:30,620 I'll start with Councillor Troso, go ahead. 48 00:21:30,620 --> 00:21:31,670 - Thank you very much. 49 00:21:31,670 --> 00:21:37,510 This was an unusually agenda for this committee. 50 00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:39,020 There are a number of things on here 51 00:21:39,020 --> 00:21:41,090 I would like to comment on, 52 00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:43,090 but I'm not gonna poll, I don't have any 53 00:21:43,090 --> 00:21:44,040 amendments. 54 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,390 I'm thrilled to see 2.2. 55 00:21:47,390 --> 00:21:50,400 I think establishing a tree nursery feasibility 56 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:50,830 study 57 00:21:50,830 --> 00:21:55,040 would be an excellent point, very much in favor 58 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:55,710 of that. 59 00:21:55,710 --> 00:22:00,760 My only comment is before we go letting out 60 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,140 a consultant's contract, 61 00:22:04,140 --> 00:22:06,580 I really hope that we'll be looking at 62 00:22:06,580 --> 00:22:11,340 some of the local nonprofits and academic units 63 00:22:11,340 --> 00:22:14,420 that have expertise in this area. 64 00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:16,740 I've raised this before with respect to 65 00:22:16,740 --> 00:22:18,120 consultant reports. 66 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:21,610 I don't know if this is gonna come back to us 67 00:22:21,610 --> 00:22:26,540 as a RFP that we have to approve or a contract 68 00:22:26,540 --> 00:22:28,770 that we have to approve, 69 00:22:28,770 --> 00:22:32,890 but I'll have much more to say about this 70 00:22:32,890 --> 00:22:35,160 if I find out that we've let this out 71 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,800 to a for-profit tree company instead of an 72 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:39,820 academic unit. 73 00:22:39,820 --> 00:22:46,140 So I don't know, do you have any plans regarding 74 00:22:46,140 --> 00:22:48,830 what you're gonna do? 75 00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:50,810 - Thank you, I go to Ms. Chair. 76 00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:51,650 - I thank you, Madam Chair. 77 00:22:51,650 --> 00:22:53,370 This is actually a good opportunity for me to 78 00:22:53,370 --> 00:22:55,590 introduce our relatively new manager of 79 00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:57,690 Urban Forestry to me a filer to me if you could 80 00:22:57,690 --> 00:22:59,700 join me so you can provide some insight 81 00:22:59,700 --> 00:23:01,410 into the direction we're going. 82 00:23:01,410 --> 00:23:05,000 I will say as she's taking a spot that this is a 83 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,260 very unique type of feasibility study 84 00:23:08,260 --> 00:23:09,260 we need done. 85 00:23:09,260 --> 00:23:11,690 There's certainly an aspect to laying out a site 86 00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:13,320 but really a lot of it's around the 87 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,510 economics of growing nursery stock from an 88 00:23:16,510 --> 00:23:19,380 agricultural and ag economics perspective. 89 00:23:19,380 --> 00:23:22,460 So, very few qualified consulting firms would do 90 00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:24,800 this work that we are looking for partnerships 91 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,770 with some potentially unique organizations, so I 92 00:23:27,770 --> 00:23:31,070 'll flip it over to Ms. Feiler. 93 00:23:31,070 --> 00:23:32,060 Thank you for the chair. 94 00:23:32,060 --> 00:23:34,230 That's good to know and welcome. 95 00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:37,210 This is a very interesting portfolio that the 96 00:23:37,210 --> 00:23:39,520 public has a lot of interest in. 97 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,330 So I don't get five minutes for each one. 98 00:23:41,330 --> 00:23:44,280 I get five minutes in the aggregate, so I better 99 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,040 get moving. 100 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,540 Thank you. 101 00:23:46,540 --> 00:23:47,470 Yes. 102 00:23:47,470 --> 00:23:54,250 So the comment I want to make on 2.6, well, I 103 00:23:54,250 --> 00:23:56,840 think there are a lot of problems in terms 104 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,040 of how London Middlesex community housing has 105 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,990 been maintaining their units. 106 00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:04,520 So I'm not surprised to see this. 107 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:09,080 And once again, I feel that much more attention 108 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,120 needs to be given by this agency, and I'm 109 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,460 not dealing with the tenant selection issues here 110 00:24:15,460 --> 00:24:15,660 . 111 00:24:15,660 --> 00:24:19,020 I know others are, maybe we'll raise that, but I 112 00:24:19,020 --> 00:24:21,860 'm concerned about the improvements and 113 00:24:21,860 --> 00:24:25,010 maintenance on the premises. I will save my 114 00:24:25,010 --> 00:24:28,670 substantive comments and questions and motions 115 00:24:28,670 --> 00:24:31,680 for the upcoming shareholders meeting, but this 116 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,780 is one of the reasons why I was so disappointed 117 00:24:34,780 --> 00:24:39,020 with the plan that was recently submitted to 118 00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:47,980 Council. Now, I have a number of questions, 119 00:24:47,980 --> 00:24:53,490 about 2.5. I don't want to pull it because I 120 00:24:53,490 --> 00:24:57,130 think what's in front of us right now is a good 121 00:24:57,130 --> 00:25:00,130 framework and I'd like to see that passed. But I 122 00:25:00,130 --> 00:25:02,210 think there are a number of questions 123 00:25:02,210 --> 00:25:05,370 that still need to be worked out on an 124 00:25:05,370 --> 00:25:09,950 operational level and rather than pull this and 125 00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:11,410 have debate 126 00:25:11,410 --> 00:25:15,300 over amendments which I think might not be 127 00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:17,760 necessary. I think a lot of this is just a 128 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,170 question of understanding what staff plans to do 129 00:25:22,170 --> 00:25:25,400 about certain, how to operationalize 130 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,730 this. I think that we really badly need to do 131 00:25:29,730 --> 00:25:32,430 this. I think the bylaw is a good framework 132 00:25:32,430 --> 00:25:36,110 bylaw, so I don't want to delay that. But I do 133 00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:39,580 have a number of questions that I'm wondering 134 00:25:39,580 --> 00:25:42,550 if it might be expeditious for me to just 135 00:25:42,550 --> 00:25:45,820 privately meet with somebody between now and 136 00:25:45,820 --> 00:25:50,880 counsel to just see if I can get answers, answers 137 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,820 to that. We received another inquiry 138 00:25:54,820 --> 00:25:59,930 today from Mr. Hopcroft, familiar name to many of 139 00:25:59,930 --> 00:26:03,210 us, and we have quite a few other--I've 140 00:26:03,210 --> 00:26:07,350 received quite a few other requests for 141 00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:10,180 clarification. Nothing that would rise to the 142 00:26:10,180 --> 00:26:10,860 level of me 143 00:26:10,860 --> 00:26:15,220 wanting to oppose this by law at this point. So, 144 00:26:15,220 --> 00:26:18,810 can I do that between now and council? 145 00:26:18,810 --> 00:26:24,550 Would I talk directly to--who would you prefer I 146 00:26:24,550 --> 00:26:28,620 talk directly to? Yes, okay. That's--that's 147 00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:35,050 that's done. Finally, I better make this quick, I 148 00:26:35,050 --> 00:26:37,570 am, I was just so pleased to see 149 00:26:37,570 --> 00:26:42,850 the report on community grants. This is such a 150 00:26:42,850 --> 00:26:44,900 successful program and I 151 00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:48,590 really want to commend not only the authors of 152 00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:50,570 this report but your whole 153 00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:53,400 department for the manner in which you've 154 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,260 conducted this very difficult and 155 00:26:56,260 --> 00:26:59,110 and should I say, in my opinion, underfunded-- 156 00:26:59,110 --> 00:27:00,420 - 30 seconds. 157 00:27:00,420 --> 00:27:03,520 - Area of work. 158 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,090 My only problem with this report is, 159 00:27:07,090 --> 00:27:09,960 and I asked this last year, 160 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,330 I'd love to know what the nature 161 00:27:12,330 --> 00:27:15,210 of the unsuccessful applicants has been. 162 00:27:15,210 --> 00:27:17,110 I know I can't ask you who they are, 163 00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:20,390 but it just seems as if we're doing a great job 164 00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:20,680 here, 165 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,930 we're filling many unmet needs, 166 00:27:22,930 --> 00:27:25,980 and maybe I should talk offline again 167 00:27:25,980 --> 00:27:29,020 to staff about what are some of the things? 168 00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:29,920 What are some of the opportunities? 169 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,050 - Thank you, Councillor, that's your time. 170 00:27:31,050 --> 00:27:31,970 - You missed. 171 00:27:31,970 --> 00:27:34,410 So, I'm out of time and that's that's that, 172 00:27:34,410 --> 00:27:36,520 but great work on that. 173 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,340 - Thank you. 174 00:27:37,340 --> 00:27:39,220 I will look to committee further speakers 175 00:27:39,220 --> 00:27:41,910 before going to visiting Councillors. 176 00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:43,580 Councillor Ferrera. 177 00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:44,540 - Thank you, Chair. 178 00:27:44,540 --> 00:27:47,790 I wanted to, I guess, ask about 2.4, 179 00:27:47,790 --> 00:27:50,760 first, that's the building, Canada Home 180 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,530 application 181 00:27:51,530 --> 00:27:53,950 that we are seeking to submit. 182 00:27:53,950 --> 00:27:55,380 I just wanted to get some information 183 00:27:55,380 --> 00:27:59,720 on how the monies would go if we know that 184 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:00,490 information 185 00:28:00,490 --> 00:28:01,320 at the moment. 186 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:02,900 I know that we're looking at like mixed units 187 00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:05,770 where we have a mix of market rent 188 00:28:05,770 --> 00:28:07,040 and affordable housing units. 189 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,000 I wanted to know for the money that we'd be 190 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:10,170 potentially 191 00:28:10,170 --> 00:28:12,150 receiving on a successful application, 192 00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:14,050 will that money go towards capital bills 193 00:28:14,050 --> 00:28:15,200 on the affordable unit side? 194 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,170 Will it go for both for the mix between the two? 195 00:28:20,170 --> 00:28:24,280 - Thank you, I'll go to Mr. Felberg. 196 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,390 - Thank you, Madam Chair. 197 00:28:25,390 --> 00:28:28,570 Ms. Espinoza, we'll take that one. 198 00:28:28,570 --> 00:28:32,430 - Thank you, please go ahead. 199 00:28:32,430 --> 00:28:34,300 Thank you through the chair. 200 00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:37,780 It would only be for the affordable units. 201 00:28:37,780 --> 00:28:38,770 Councillor? 202 00:28:38,770 --> 00:28:39,680 - Okay, thank you for that. 203 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,100 So if it goes to only the affordable units 204 00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:44,160 and we have, let's say, an apartment 205 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,830 or a mixed kind of unit complex 206 00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:50,370 and we're incentivizing the capital build, 207 00:28:50,370 --> 00:28:52,910 the market rate side, depending on, I guess, 208 00:28:52,910 --> 00:28:55,450 the builder would be paying for the capital cost 209 00:28:55,450 --> 00:28:55,960 requirements 210 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,420 for the market rate and then the affordable units 211 00:28:58,420 --> 00:28:59,750 would be, 212 00:28:59,750 --> 00:29:01,530 the gap would be covered with the build Canada 213 00:29:01,530 --> 00:29:02,620 home side. 214 00:29:02,620 --> 00:29:04,570 So when it comes, I guess, on the operational 215 00:29:04,570 --> 00:29:05,270 side, 216 00:29:05,270 --> 00:29:06,830 I would assume that market rents would have 217 00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:10,570 some type of surplus in their rents. 218 00:29:10,570 --> 00:29:12,280 Would that surplus be used to cover the 219 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,130 operational gap 220 00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:18,220 on the affordable unit side? 221 00:29:18,220 --> 00:29:19,570 - Thank you, go to Ms. Espinosa. 222 00:29:19,570 --> 00:29:22,160 - Pardon me, through the chair, technically yes. 223 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,540 So the reason why they have to have a mix of 224 00:29:24,540 --> 00:29:24,940 market 225 00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:27,240 and affordable is because some of the market 226 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,350 would help offset some of the capital costs 227 00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:31,830 for the affordable side and could assist in some 228 00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:34,500 operating. 229 00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:35,570 - Councillor Ferrera. 230 00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:36,640 - Okay, thank you for that. 231 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,460 And I guess on the follow up question, 232 00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:42,140 I guess a little bit different for the type 233 00:29:42,140 --> 00:29:44,440 of housing providers that may be sought out. 234 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,710 So I understand that LMCH has a regeneration plan 235 00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:48,810 . 236 00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:53,760 Is LMCH potentially, would they be part of this, 237 00:29:53,760 --> 00:30:00,580 this task or this submission? 238 00:30:00,580 --> 00:30:02,550 - I'll go to Mr. Felberg. 239 00:30:02,550 --> 00:30:04,110 - Thank you and to you Madam Chair. 240 00:30:04,110 --> 00:30:07,830 With the submission of the regen plan last week 241 00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:09,080 at SPPC, 242 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,920 one of the things that we were looking to do 243 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,060 is include the LMCH units into our Bill Cannon 244 00:30:14,060 --> 00:30:14,300 Homes 245 00:30:14,300 --> 00:30:15,300 application. 246 00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:18,770 We've also received a number of inquiries from 247 00:30:18,770 --> 00:30:21,830 local developers in the past few weeks 248 00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:24,890 and months that would be in addition to the 1250 249 00:30:24,890 --> 00:30:26,770 that we've identified in the report. 250 00:30:26,770 --> 00:30:28,530 So we actually think that we'll be able to 251 00:30:28,530 --> 00:30:30,040 increase the number of units. 252 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,150 The key part of the application is that Bill Kan 253 00:30:32,150 --> 00:30:34,060 ner-Holand wants to actually look at the 254 00:30:34,060 --> 00:30:36,610 projects before they make any approvals. 255 00:30:36,610 --> 00:30:38,600 So they'd be assessing each of the individual 256 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,560 projects in our portfolio prior to making 257 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,510 a decision on which ones they will fund and which 258 00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:44,220 gaps they will have. 259 00:30:44,220 --> 00:30:47,360 help us close in order to build new affordable 260 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,490 housing. 261 00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:50,640 - Councillor Verara. 262 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:51,470 - Okay, thank you for that. 263 00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:53,520 So I guess the applications are really kind of 264 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:53,840 focusing 265 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,930 on the 12 to 18 months portion of applications. 266 00:30:57,930 --> 00:31:00,290 So I also wanted to know if there's any 267 00:31:00,290 --> 00:31:00,700 consideration 268 00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:02,680 of rent, gear, tank, or cooperative housing 269 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,690 or anything like that, or is it just market 270 00:31:04,690 --> 00:31:10,590 or just the affordable rental units. 271 00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:12,130 - Mr. Palberg. 272 00:31:12,130 --> 00:31:13,290 - Thank you and to Madam Chair. 273 00:31:13,290 --> 00:31:15,340 So there's no consideration for rent, gear to 274 00:31:15,340 --> 00:31:15,720 income. 275 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,710 We're not actually looking to increase our 276 00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:21,830 service level standards from the 5,794 that 277 00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:24,220 we have within our service manager area. 278 00:31:24,220 --> 00:31:26,370 We are looking to include county projects as well 279 00:31:26,370 --> 00:31:28,210 , so it's not just the city of London, 280 00:31:28,210 --> 00:31:31,360 it's everything within our service manager area. 281 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,020 If a co-op is providing affordable units and they 282 00:31:34,020 --> 00:31:36,270 're eligible for that type of housing, 283 00:31:36,270 --> 00:31:38,060 then yes, they would be considered. 284 00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:41,050 So it would be non-profits, co-ops, and then if 285 00:31:41,050 --> 00:31:43,050 market developers are eligible under the 286 00:31:43,050 --> 00:31:46,120 to build Canada homes rules and criteria, 287 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,880 then they could potentially be eligible 288 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,720 to close a gap as well. 289 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:51,830 - Councilor Ferrer. 290 00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:53,440 - Okay, thank you for that. 291 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,380 I wanted to also touch on to 10 of the community 292 00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:58,420 grants update. 293 00:31:58,420 --> 00:32:00,840 I do appreciate the report. 294 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,340 I do see that our community grants project 295 00:32:04,340 --> 00:32:04,930 supports 296 00:32:04,930 --> 00:32:08,390 anti-racism, anti-oppression, diversity, inequity 297 00:32:08,390 --> 00:32:08,490 , 298 00:32:08,390 --> 00:32:09,500 and inclusion. 299 00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:11,520 I did want to ask from what I remember 300 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,800 from the budget changes. 301 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,360 We are now looking into funding that program 302 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,440 through the community investment reserve fund. 303 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,810 And I do believe that there was a cap, 304 00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:26,620 a limit on that fund's balance that we would need 305 00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:29,400 to require to be able to continue the program. 306 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,900 I was wondering if staff could just tell me 307 00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:33,010 what the limit is or just remind me of what that 308 00:32:33,010 --> 00:32:33,120 is 309 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,820 and tell me where that reserve balances if you 310 00:32:35,820 --> 00:32:37,870 can. 311 00:32:37,870 --> 00:32:41,210 - Thank you, I'll go to Ms. Smith. 312 00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:43,010 - Thank you and through the chair. 313 00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:44,960 So we're coming back in July 314 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,940 with the allocations for 2026 for our annual 315 00:32:47,940 --> 00:32:48,420 grant program 316 00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:50,020 for capital projects. 317 00:32:50,020 --> 00:32:54,340 So next year, 2027, based on as of January 1st, 318 00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:57,030 if there's a minimum of a million dollars 319 00:32:57,030 --> 00:32:59,540 in the community investment reserve fund, 320 00:32:59,540 --> 00:33:03,200 then we will continue with a $250,000 application 321 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,830 for our annual capital grants program. 322 00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:09,110 - Councillor Peraire. 323 00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:10,380 - I thank you for that. 324 00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:12,430 I do understand that those dollars 325 00:33:12,430 --> 00:33:14,880 do leverage private dollars on top of that. 326 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,310 So I would say, you know, the more money 327 00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:18,890 We are able to put into that the more leveraging 328 00:33:18,890 --> 00:33:21,340 of dollars and the further that those dollars go 329 00:33:21,340 --> 00:33:24,010 So I do appreciate the report and I do I do wish 330 00:33:24,010 --> 00:33:27,130 to see the program get expanded if possible in 331 00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:27,800 the future 332 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:35,230 For actually I'll leave it there actually not one 333 00:33:35,230 --> 00:33:35,830 more question 334 00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:38,320 I want to go to the municipal compliance service 335 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,030 policy update and online public municipal 336 00:33:41,030 --> 00:33:42,270 compliance tools review 337 00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:43,780 I appreciate that report 338 00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:46,980 I do see that this is a report coming back with a 339 00:33:46,980 --> 00:33:49,950 couple of directions from council in the past and 340 00:33:50,030 --> 00:33:52,400 I wanted to follow up on the status update and 341 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,140 when we specifically expect or how would 342 00:33:56,140 --> 00:33:59,110 we in the immediate term see potential updates on 343 00:33:59,110 --> 00:34:01,580 any type of compliance issues and any type 344 00:34:01,580 --> 00:34:02,580 of resolutions there. 345 00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:09,450 I'll go to Ms. Pfeffer. 346 00:34:09,450 --> 00:34:11,080 Thank you and through the chair. 347 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,080 So this is also a multi-stage process. 348 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,650 If the policy change is implemented, then you 349 00:34:16,650 --> 00:34:18,890 would be able to receive status updates 350 00:34:18,890 --> 00:34:19,890 almost immediately. 351 00:34:19,890 --> 00:34:21,730 But in terms of the digital tools that you're 352 00:34:21,730 --> 00:34:23,940 referring to, that would be subject to strategic 353 00:34:23,940 --> 00:34:27,600 of planning and then a multi-year business case 354 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,350 in order to determine whether that is 355 00:34:29,350 --> 00:34:34,130 something that council wants to proceed with. 356 00:34:34,130 --> 00:34:35,200 Councillor. 357 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,180 Okay, thank you for that. 358 00:34:36,180 --> 00:34:39,280 In the immediate term, if I were to know that 359 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,130 there was a compliance matter going on, 360 00:34:43,130 --> 00:34:45,510 is there any other way other than the IT or the 361 00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:47,540 web portal to check, would I be able 362 00:34:47,540 --> 00:34:49,600 to potentially contact staff directly, make a 363 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,250 phone call and see if I can get a status 364 00:34:51,250 --> 00:34:52,250 update for that? 365 00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:54,330 and when would that change be made 366 00:34:54,330 --> 00:34:59,330 if this were to be approved here and at council? 367 00:34:59,330 --> 00:35:06,090 - Thank you, I will go to Ms. Stafford, go ahead. 368 00:35:06,090 --> 00:35:07,640 - Through the chair, yes, of course you could 369 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:08,150 contact staff 370 00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:10,930 and we would be ensuring that the entire team 371 00:35:10,930 --> 00:35:12,430 is aware of the change in policy 372 00:35:12,430 --> 00:35:13,980 and of course you would be able to get those 373 00:35:13,980 --> 00:35:14,180 updates 374 00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:15,650 directly from the staff person 375 00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:20,210 who's in charge of the file. 376 00:35:20,210 --> 00:35:21,670 - I'll go to council for error. 377 00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:23,170 - Okay, thank you, I'll end the questions there. 378 00:35:23,170 --> 00:35:24,980 I appreciate that report as well. 379 00:35:24,980 --> 00:35:28,310 I'm happy to support everything that I moved 380 00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:29,950 for the consent items. 381 00:35:29,950 --> 00:35:33,740 So those are my questions, thank you. 382 00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:35,980 - Thank you, Councillor Hopkins, next. 383 00:35:35,980 --> 00:35:38,160 - Yes, thank you, Madam Chair. 384 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,850 And I guess I'll just go through the list here 385 00:35:41,850 --> 00:35:46,840 and make comments, 2.1 London's newcomer strategy 386 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:47,220 . 387 00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:48,850 Thanks to staff for this. 388 00:35:48,850 --> 00:35:50,780 It's really good information to have. 389 00:35:50,780 --> 00:35:52,420 It's really good to know that London's 390 00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:55,830 one of a few municipalities where we do the 391 00:35:55,830 --> 00:35:56,670 evaluations 392 00:35:56,670 --> 00:35:58,740 and the framework and do the measureables 393 00:35:58,740 --> 00:36:00,700 and have that information. 394 00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:02,770 So we can keep track of our strategy. 395 00:36:02,770 --> 00:36:05,320 So great work staff on that. 396 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,300 2.2, very supportive of the tree's strategy going 397 00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:10,400 forward, 398 00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:16,090 the study that's needed and understanding the 399 00:36:16,090 --> 00:36:16,190 benefits 400 00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:17,030 and the costs. 401 00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:21,640 So looking forward to further information on that 402 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:22,010 . 403 00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:26,950 2.5, just like to make a couple of comments 404 00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:30,610 on the bylaw amendments to reduce rat infest 405 00:36:30,610 --> 00:36:31,110 ations. 406 00:36:31,110 --> 00:36:34,380 I thank the Councillors for bringing that forward 407 00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:34,720 . 408 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:38,890 I know the advisory group has good information 409 00:36:38,890 --> 00:36:40,440 on the report as well. 410 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,790 I do see concerns in the community that I 411 00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:45,450 represent, 412 00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:47,930 especially when you have residential and 413 00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:49,190 businesses 414 00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:52,490 backing on to one another and how we can maybe 415 00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:53,210 even provide 416 00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:56,710 stickers on some of our bins not to have the bins 417 00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:57,470 overflow. 418 00:36:57,470 --> 00:37:00,610 I think there's a lot of things we can kind of do 419 00:37:00,610 --> 00:37:05,650 in the meantime, and so supportive of the 420 00:37:05,650 --> 00:37:05,750 recommendation 421 00:37:05,650 --> 00:37:10,360 going forward, and I agree with Councillor Trus 422 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:10,660 sell 423 00:37:10,660 --> 00:37:12,880 to many, many questions still to have, 424 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,300 but I think we can do that as we go through this 425 00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:18,420 process. 426 00:37:18,420 --> 00:37:23,960 2.7, which is the affordable housing 427 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,170 at Duluth Crescent, really pleased to see-- 428 00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:28,800 - Councillor Hopkins, sorry, that one's been 429 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:29,260 pulled. 430 00:37:29,260 --> 00:37:30,250 Oh, is that one? 431 00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:34,610 Oh, thank you for the reminder, OK. 432 00:37:34,610 --> 00:37:37,990 2.8. 433 00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:41,190 Then with the fire department, the source of 434 00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:41,800 financing, 435 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,180 I'm really pleased that we as a council 436 00:37:44,180 --> 00:37:47,550 put some funding aside for the fire vehicle 437 00:37:47,550 --> 00:37:51,810 and that there is funding available for the 438 00:37:51,810 --> 00:37:52,720 purchase 439 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:55,770 of a new truck. 440 00:37:55,770 --> 00:37:58,540 I understand 2.9 is also pulled. 441 00:37:58,540 --> 00:38:03,370 And just maybe ending my comments with 2.10 442 00:38:03,370 --> 00:38:05,510 on the community grants program. 443 00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:07,810 I am so glad that we still have this program. 444 00:38:07,810 --> 00:38:10,420 And you can see the benefits that we 445 00:38:10,420 --> 00:38:14,140 have that goes into the community. 446 00:38:14,140 --> 00:38:20,500 And 2.11, which is the child care and early years 447 00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:20,990 servicing 448 00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:22,460 system plan update. 449 00:38:22,460 --> 00:38:26,080 I know there's a lot of conversations I hear out, 450 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,110 more with the federal government. 451 00:38:28,110 --> 00:38:33,270 But I do think we need to kind of work together 452 00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:37,620 and continue to work together as it's outlined 453 00:38:37,620 --> 00:38:41,030 by staff in the report with the sector 454 00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:44,190 because we do have to respond to the increasing 455 00:38:44,190 --> 00:38:44,650 demand 456 00:38:44,650 --> 00:38:46,720 and pressures that we see in our area. 457 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:49,260 And I think it's important that we continue 458 00:38:49,260 --> 00:38:50,570 to work together. 459 00:38:50,570 --> 00:38:58,120 So with that, those are my comments. 460 00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:58,950 - Thank you. 461 00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:59,780 I look for other speakers. 462 00:38:59,780 --> 00:39:01,050 I know of Councilor McAllister, 463 00:39:01,050 --> 00:39:03,400 just making sure I covered off the committee 464 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:03,650 first. 465 00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:05,230 Okay, with that, I'll go to Councilor McAllister. 466 00:39:05,230 --> 00:39:07,500 Go ahead. 467 00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:09,450 - Thank you and through the chair. 468 00:39:09,450 --> 00:39:11,530 I wanna start with 2.5. 469 00:39:11,530 --> 00:39:16,850 Excuse me, I appreciate the detail in this report 470 00:39:16,850 --> 00:39:17,230 . 471 00:39:17,230 --> 00:39:20,430 This was definitely an issue that in my ward, 472 00:39:20,430 --> 00:39:23,480 we're really facing a lot of rat infestation. 473 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,630 So I really appreciate committee counsel 474 00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:29,620 supporting this in the past and bringing this 475 00:39:29,620 --> 00:39:29,720 back. 476 00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:32,010 Appreciate all the work that staff have put into 477 00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:32,500 this. 478 00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:33,780 eSAC weighed in as well. 479 00:39:33,780 --> 00:39:36,010 They had some good recommendations too. 480 00:39:36,010 --> 00:39:37,410 So thanks to everyone involved. 481 00:39:37,410 --> 00:39:38,690 I know this was a big undertaking. 482 00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:42,040 We did this in a relatively quick timeline. 483 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,600 So again, appreciate that. 484 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,470 I do just have some questions regarding it, 485 00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:47,430 just for clarity so people understand 486 00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:48,940 in terms of next steps. 487 00:39:48,940 --> 00:39:50,740 Appreciate in terms of the step one, step two, 488 00:39:50,740 --> 00:39:51,820 step three that was laid out. 489 00:39:51,820 --> 00:39:52,980 I think that it was very succinct 490 00:39:52,980 --> 00:39:54,890 in terms of where we're going with it. 491 00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:57,570 But just in terms of immediate impacts, 492 00:39:57,570 --> 00:40:00,480 if by-law could just speak to the changes 493 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,670 be making in terms of our response in terms of 494 00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:05,910 how much time we'll be giving people who are in 495 00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:08,890 violation in terms of the the amps that will go 496 00:40:08,890 --> 00:40:11,820 along with that if I can comment on that. Thanks. 497 00:40:11,820 --> 00:40:17,060 Thank you. I'll go to Ms. Pfeffer. Thank you. And 498 00:40:17,060 --> 00:40:19,030 through the chair, so in terms of immediate 499 00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:22,030 next steps, we're looking at an increased penalty 500 00:40:22,030 --> 00:40:25,040 for yard and lot maintenance violations of 501 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,080 $400. We also considered the compliance timeline 502 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,390 that we can currently operate under. We 503 00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:32,950 consistently 504 00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:35,320 provide 10 business days once an order has been 505 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,210 issued for a property owner to become 506 00:40:37,210 --> 00:40:40,580 compliant with the by-law and in terms of rat inf 507 00:40:40,580 --> 00:40:43,700 estations or developing rat problems, 508 00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:46,680 an infestation will definitely occur within that 509 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,680 timeframe if we give the full 10 days. 510 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,660 So we wanted to consider maybe reducing that to 511 00:40:51,660 --> 00:40:54,020 48 to 72 hours depending on the nature 512 00:40:54,020 --> 00:40:55,420 of the violation. 513 00:40:55,420 --> 00:40:57,940 That would give the, we believe that would give 514 00:40:57,940 --> 00:41:00,560 the property owner some time for compliance. 515 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,560 >> Thank you for your time and 516 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,550 thank you very much. 517 00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:06,540 >> Thank you for keeping in mind 518 00:41:06,540 --> 00:41:08,540 that we always work with the 519 00:41:08,540 --> 00:41:10,530 property owner too so this isn't 520 00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:11,530 a hard and fast that we will only 521 00:41:11,530 --> 00:41:14,300 get the 48 hours but it is 522 00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:16,350 something that we are going to 523 00:41:16,350 --> 00:41:18,340 look at in terms of these 524 00:41:18,340 --> 00:41:20,330 conditions that contribute to 525 00:41:20,330 --> 00:41:21,330 infestations. 526 00:41:21,330 --> 00:41:22,330 >> Councillor. 527 00:41:22,330 --> 00:41:23,320 >> Thank you for the chair and 528 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:24,320 just a follow-up to that. 529 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,320 I also appreciate the 530 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,310 recognition that this will take 531 00:41:26,310 --> 00:41:27,310 coordination between 532 00:41:27,310 --> 00:41:28,300 departments. 533 00:41:28,300 --> 00:41:29,300 And so my other concern with that 534 00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:30,300 is I appreciate the reduced 535 00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:31,290 timeline but at what point will we 536 00:41:31,290 --> 00:41:33,050 where I'm seeing a lot of issues specifically 537 00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:36,020 around residential dumpsters is it's left far too 538 00:41:36,020 --> 00:41:36,270 long. 539 00:41:36,270 --> 00:41:39,100 Even if we issue the order to comply, 540 00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:41,440 it will get to the point where the rats will come 541 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:41,850 , right? 542 00:41:41,850 --> 00:41:44,190 So what I'm trying to do is have those measures 543 00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:47,200 in place to ensure that if they're in violation, 544 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,230 yes, we might have the amps, 545 00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:50,650 but we can also take action to clean up the site. 546 00:41:50,650 --> 00:41:52,520 So we're not dealing with that on an ongoing 547 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,010 basis. 548 00:41:54,010 --> 00:41:57,150 - Thank you, everyone, Ms. Pepper. 549 00:41:57,150 --> 00:41:59,480 Through the chair, that is our process. 550 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,170 So if we were to issue an order and not receive 551 00:42:03,170 --> 00:42:04,260 any indication 552 00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:06,810 that the property owner is trying to work toward 553 00:42:06,810 --> 00:42:07,550 compliance, 554 00:42:07,550 --> 00:42:09,140 we would certainly have to move to bring the 555 00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:09,490 property 556 00:42:09,490 --> 00:42:11,990 into compliance after the timeline expires by 557 00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:12,540 which, 558 00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:15,610 or the timeline that was listed on that order 559 00:42:15,610 --> 00:42:16,790 expires. 560 00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:19,390 It doesn't change our process in terms of whether 561 00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:19,920 or not 562 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,090 we contract someone to come in to clean up. 563 00:42:22,090 --> 00:42:23,910 It's really the property owner engagement 564 00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:27,070 that we're looking for. 565 00:42:27,070 --> 00:42:29,140 - Councillor McAllister. 566 00:42:29,140 --> 00:42:30,890 - Thank you and through you. 567 00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:34,110 In terms of the changes for dumpsters 568 00:42:34,110 --> 00:42:35,660 specifically to, 569 00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:38,630 I know a number of sites where they may have dump 570 00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:38,730 sters. 571 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,050 Dumpsters are in poor shape, they're not 572 00:42:41,050 --> 00:42:41,700 contained. 573 00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:44,890 I know there was mentioned in terms of having 574 00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:48,100 some like fencing or something around the dump 575 00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:48,340 sters 576 00:42:48,340 --> 00:42:50,280 to ensure that they're not out in the open. 577 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,870 And even a lot of dumpsters, 578 00:42:51,870 --> 00:42:53,690 they're not in compliance with just having lids. 579 00:42:53,690 --> 00:42:56,470 So, you know, addressing those. 580 00:42:56,470 --> 00:43:00,970 I'm hoping that'll be part of this as well. 581 00:43:00,970 --> 00:43:04,260 - Ms. Pfeffer for the chair, yes. 582 00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:05,760 That's the intent with some of the bylaw 583 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,830 improvements as well. 584 00:43:07,830 --> 00:43:09,280 Councilor McAllister. 585 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,370 - Thank you and through you. 586 00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:12,400 And I'm also wondering in terms of the reporting, 587 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,180 I have had some residents in terms of the 588 00:43:14,180 --> 00:43:14,630 confusion 589 00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:16,180 in terms of where they would report this, 590 00:43:16,180 --> 00:43:18,580 whether it's through bylaw or through like 591 00:43:18,580 --> 00:43:20,360 garbage collections. 592 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,800 I think it would be nice with Service London 593 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,180 if we could make some tweaks in terms of what the 594 00:43:24,180 --> 00:43:24,980 complaint is, 595 00:43:24,980 --> 00:43:27,010 just to save our staff some time on the back end 596 00:43:27,010 --> 00:43:28,690 in terms of what they're responding to. 597 00:43:28,690 --> 00:43:30,560 So I'm just wondering what changes we might make 598 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,040 with Service London. 599 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,260 - Thank you, I got it, Ms. Pfeffer. 600 00:43:35,260 --> 00:43:37,210 - Thank you and through the chair. 601 00:43:37,210 --> 00:43:40,950 We would, we are always willing to receive input 602 00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:42,880 in relation to improving service London 603 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,800 enhancements 604 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,790 in reporting options. 605 00:43:45,790 --> 00:43:47,260 In the immediate future, 606 00:43:47,260 --> 00:43:49,810 there won't be any reporting options changing, 607 00:43:49,810 --> 00:43:51,760 but certainly if you have that feedback for us, 608 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,690 we could take that back and work with our service 609 00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:53,910 London 610 00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:56,290 partners to see if there can be an immediate 611 00:43:56,290 --> 00:43:56,860 change made. 612 00:43:56,860 --> 00:44:00,040 The changes to service London are changes 613 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,430 that are proposed in phase two and three 614 00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:07,700 of this proposed project. 615 00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:09,210 - Councillor McAllister. 616 00:44:09,210 --> 00:44:10,080 - Thank you, through you. 617 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,060 Yeah, even something as simple as a redirect. 618 00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:13,850 I think might be helpful, not necessarily 619 00:44:13,850 --> 00:44:14,330 building out 620 00:44:14,330 --> 00:44:16,820 something new, but even, I just find that we 621 00:44:16,820 --> 00:44:17,140 haven't, 622 00:44:17,140 --> 00:44:21,650 when we go to service London, the options are 623 00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:21,970 helpful 624 00:44:21,970 --> 00:44:24,390 for people, so even if it's a redirect to bylaw, 625 00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:25,950 to let them know that's where their complaint 626 00:44:25,950 --> 00:44:26,100 would go, 627 00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:27,810 not necessarily having to fill out a new form, 628 00:44:27,810 --> 00:44:31,200 but just in the immediate, until we get to the 629 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:31,590 multi-year 630 00:44:31,590 --> 00:44:33,600 budget and those larger asks, I think that'd be 631 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:33,900 helpful, 632 00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:35,970 so at least people understand that's where that 633 00:44:35,970 --> 00:44:36,330 request 634 00:44:36,330 --> 00:44:38,710 would have to go, just to make things easier for 635 00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:39,690 folks. 636 00:44:39,690 --> 00:44:42,290 - Yeah, and I do have some other comments quickly 637 00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:42,530 . 638 00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:45,400 Appreciate, again, all the work that Bylaw has 639 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:45,920 done on this 640 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:51,850 with the community grants. 641 00:44:51,850 --> 00:44:54,820 I just wanted to congratulate everyone 642 00:44:54,820 --> 00:44:56,050 who was able to get one. 643 00:44:56,050 --> 00:44:57,880 I just wanna speak in terms of experience. 644 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,100 I've seen a lot of the grants in action. 645 00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:02,720 Really appreciate that this is still an option. 646 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:05,690 One of the things I'm seeing a lot of activity 647 00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:05,820 around 648 00:45:05,820 --> 00:45:07,970 is food security specifically. 649 00:45:08,860 --> 00:45:11,770 I know a lot of organizations in my award 650 00:45:11,770 --> 00:45:13,320 use the community grants and it's really 651 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:13,680 important 652 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,230 in terms of addressing those needs in the 653 00:45:15,230 --> 00:45:15,430 community 654 00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:17,070 and lend it at large. 655 00:45:17,070 --> 00:45:19,020 And I'm just wondering if staff could maybe speak 656 00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:21,650 to a little bit with the community grants. 657 00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:23,400 I appreciate this report but one of the things 658 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,030 I think would be helpful for us as council is 659 00:45:26,030 --> 00:45:28,220 I know you have the percentage breakdown 660 00:45:28,220 --> 00:45:31,560 but I think that's more tied in terms of our 661 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,380 strategic goals 662 00:45:32,380 --> 00:45:35,420 but I'm finding it interesting in terms of the 663 00:45:35,420 --> 00:45:35,670 programs 664 00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:37,730 themselves and where we're seeing the largest 665 00:45:37,730 --> 00:45:38,840 demand come from. 666 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,790 So I'm wondering if staff, as part of this report 667 00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:40,890 , 668 00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:42,930 if in the future, we might be able to see 669 00:45:42,930 --> 00:45:46,310 which programs or organizations, 670 00:45:46,310 --> 00:45:49,150 what they're looking for in terms of the needs 671 00:45:49,150 --> 00:45:52,230 in the community. 672 00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:53,970 - I'll go to Ms. Smith. 673 00:45:53,970 --> 00:45:54,810 - Thank you. 674 00:45:54,810 --> 00:45:56,400 And through the chair, I appreciate you bringing 675 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:56,750 that up 676 00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:58,800 as, you know, a council has directed us 677 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,640 to look at the community grants policy, 678 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,610 which we'll be bringing back a proposed update in 679 00:46:03,610 --> 00:46:04,460 20, 680 00:46:04,460 --> 00:46:05,930 early 2027. 681 00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:08,570 And we are looking at alignment with the 682 00:46:08,570 --> 00:46:09,270 strategic plan, 683 00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:12,120 but also alignment with community priorities 684 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,080 and you write food security is probably one of 685 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,480 the top three 686 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,250 that we fund, but we're also hearing from too. 687 00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:24,380 So we can look at this when we do the impact 688 00:46:24,380 --> 00:46:24,890 report 689 00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:28,400 and talk about those projects or priority areas 690 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:29,670 in a bit more detail. 691 00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:33,710 And also we will be bringing something kind of 692 00:46:33,710 --> 00:46:34,160 different 693 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,010 and looking at what are those community 694 00:46:36,010 --> 00:46:36,610 priorities 695 00:46:36,610 --> 00:46:39,020 and maybe aligning our future community grants 696 00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:39,530 program 697 00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:44,500 with those top three to five community priorities 698 00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:44,600 . 699 00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:47,160 So thank you for the suggestion. 700 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,180 - Councilor Callister. 701 00:46:49,180 --> 00:46:51,020 - Thank you, through you, I appreciate that, Mr. 702 00:46:51,020 --> 00:46:51,280 Chair. 703 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,050 And then also appreciate again, 704 00:46:53,050 --> 00:46:55,500 bylaw all the hard work that went into 705 00:46:55,500 --> 00:47:02,190 updating the amendments for the reducing 706 00:47:02,190 --> 00:47:03,500 the rat infestations. 707 00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:05,670 No, it's not a glamorous topic. 708 00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:07,220 I have a lot of residents who are very 709 00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:07,610 embarrassed, 710 00:47:07,610 --> 00:47:08,920 obviously, when they come and talk to me, 711 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,940 but appreciate all the work that went into this. 712 00:47:10,940 --> 00:47:14,210 Thank you. 713 00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:16,530 - Thank you, looking for other speakers. 714 00:47:16,530 --> 00:47:18,840 We'll go to Councillor Stevenson, go ahead. 715 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,190 - Thank you. 716 00:47:20,190 --> 00:47:22,180 There's quite a bit in here that I have questions 717 00:47:22,180 --> 00:47:22,300 on, 718 00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:26,170 but I'll start with 2.4, the Build Canada Homes. 719 00:47:26,170 --> 00:47:29,180 The motion says to submit an application 720 00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:30,910 to secure capital funds, 721 00:47:30,910 --> 00:47:33,890 and the executive summary says refers to 722 00:47:33,890 --> 00:47:35,020 partnerships. 723 00:47:35,020 --> 00:47:37,650 So just wondering, is there gonna be more sharing 724 00:47:37,650 --> 00:47:42,790 of what that would entail from both sides? 725 00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:45,670 - Thank you, I'll go to Mr. Felberg. 726 00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:46,820 - Thank you, and through you, Madam Chair. 727 00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:49,300 So we have a lot of work to do still with Bill 728 00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:50,110 Canada Homes 729 00:47:50,110 --> 00:47:52,560 to put together the portfolio of different 730 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:52,930 projects 731 00:47:52,930 --> 00:47:55,890 and take that through their process of review. 732 00:47:55,890 --> 00:47:59,670 Once we've finished that work and once they've 733 00:47:59,670 --> 00:48:00,410 established 734 00:48:00,410 --> 00:48:03,560 what projects they will be, they're willing to 735 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:03,850 fund, 736 00:48:03,850 --> 00:48:05,690 we'll be bringing back an agreement to council 737 00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:06,310 for approval 738 00:48:06,310 --> 00:48:08,690 so that they can weigh into what is moving 739 00:48:08,690 --> 00:48:09,110 forward 740 00:48:09,110 --> 00:48:11,860 and what can be funded by the new grants 741 00:48:11,860 --> 00:48:15,720 from the federal government. 742 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,460 - Councilor Stevenson. 743 00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:18,290 - Thank you. 744 00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:21,420 On page 29 at the bottom, it says that BCH has 745 00:48:21,420 --> 00:48:21,970 requested 746 00:48:21,970 --> 00:48:24,430 that the city submit a portfolio of projects 747 00:48:24,430 --> 00:48:26,920 ensuring municipal support. 748 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,520 So I'm just wondering, don't we need council 749 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,530 or public support for that portfolio 750 00:48:31,530 --> 00:48:35,110 prior to the application going in? 751 00:48:35,110 --> 00:48:37,370 - I'll go to Mr. Felberg. 752 00:48:37,370 --> 00:48:39,280 - Thank you and through you, Madam Chair. 753 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,660 So the projects that we've identified are 754 00:48:41,660 --> 00:48:41,830 projects 755 00:48:41,830 --> 00:48:44,130 that would be eligible under our CIP or dollars 756 00:48:44,130 --> 00:48:45,060 to door CIP, 757 00:48:45,060 --> 00:48:47,320 which has a certain level of criteria 758 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,360 that's required and that applicants must align 759 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:52,020 with. 760 00:48:52,020 --> 00:48:54,210 Additionally, some additional projects 761 00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:55,290 that we've also added recent, 762 00:48:55,290 --> 00:48:57,700 or we'll be adding recent, 763 00:48:57,700 --> 00:49:02,370 following the master regeneration plan from LMCH. 764 00:49:02,370 --> 00:49:03,810 Those are some additional projects, 765 00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:06,200 and then we also have our shovel ready projects. 766 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,590 So those are projects that through the roadmap 767 00:49:08,590 --> 00:49:11,580 are have been identified for new affordable 768 00:49:11,580 --> 00:49:12,060 housing, 769 00:49:12,060 --> 00:49:16,250 and those go through various RFPs and procure 770 00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:16,890 ments 771 00:49:16,890 --> 00:49:20,560 prior to rainforest council as an example item 2. 772 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,350 7 is one of those projects so we've 773 00:49:23,350 --> 00:49:26,330 identified generally a portfolio and those are 774 00:49:26,330 --> 00:49:27,500 the things that BCH or Bill 775 00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:30,060 Canada homes will be evaluating and providing us 776 00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:32,490 guidance on. 777 00:49:32,490 --> 00:49:36,400 Councillor Stevenson. Thank you I understand but 778 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,260 it's very general and when I look at what 779 00:49:40,260 --> 00:49:43,770 the City of Ottawa did their council was given 780 00:49:43,770 --> 00:49:46,800 the list of projects the number of units for 781 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,180 each one, whether it was going to be affordable 782 00:49:49,180 --> 00:49:53,370 or supportive. There was also a long list on 783 00:49:53,370 --> 00:49:56,410 the contribution for that city is going to be $ 784 00:49:56,410 --> 00:50:00,060 250 million. And it gives many exemptions, 785 00:50:00,060 --> 00:50:03,040 one of which is exemption of property taxes for 786 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,560 75 years. So I'm just this just looks 787 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,590 very different than the one that we're this 788 00:50:07,590 --> 00:50:09,270 before us. So I'm wondering if we could just 789 00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:11,670 get clarification on why theirs has all the 790 00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:15,920 specifics and ours doesn't. 791 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:16,860 Thank you. 792 00:50:16,860 --> 00:50:18,160 Go to Mr. Felberg. 793 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,110 Thank you. 794 00:50:19,110 --> 00:50:20,150 And through you Madam Chair. 795 00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:21,830 So I forget which section in the report, but it 796 00:50:21,830 --> 00:50:23,460 talks about a recommendation or a resolution 797 00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:25,900 from Council for us to report back to Council and 798 00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:28,530 identify when we'd be submitting an application 799 00:50:28,530 --> 00:50:31,280 for new affordable housing projects. 800 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,260 So the MOU that Ottawa signed was actually much 801 00:50:34,260 --> 00:50:36,940 further down the line and they identified 802 00:50:36,940 --> 00:50:38,690 all of the different projects. 803 00:50:38,690 --> 00:50:41,070 Once they'd done that negotiation and actually 804 00:50:41,070 --> 00:50:42,360 submitted that portfolio. 805 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:43,910 So that's the stage we're in right now. 806 00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:45,470 we're establishing the portfolio, 807 00:50:45,470 --> 00:50:47,300 we'll submit it to build Canada homes, 808 00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:48,820 and then we'll bring it back to council 809 00:50:48,820 --> 00:50:51,870 for a final approval. 810 00:50:51,870 --> 00:50:53,940 - Councillor Stevenson. 811 00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:55,520 - I have a lot of concerns about this one, 812 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,660 I'm gonna leave it there for now. 813 00:50:57,660 --> 00:51:02,940 So for 122 baseline, it talks about arrears, 814 00:51:02,940 --> 00:51:06,410 that 30 plus arrears notices were sent out this 815 00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:06,850 month. 816 00:51:06,850 --> 00:51:08,430 There's only 61 units. 817 00:51:08,430 --> 00:51:13,800 Can I hear more about that? 818 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,170 - Thank you, I've got a Mr. Felberg. 819 00:51:16,170 --> 00:51:17,710 - Thank you, and Madam Chair, 820 00:51:17,710 --> 00:51:21,070 We have our chief operating officer from LMCH 821 00:51:21,070 --> 00:51:21,230 here. 822 00:51:21,230 --> 00:51:23,260 She can answer many of those operational 823 00:51:23,260 --> 00:51:25,250 questions. 824 00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:28,150 - Thank you, please go ahead. 825 00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:31,500 - Through the chair, you may have a qualifying 826 00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:32,090 question 827 00:51:32,090 --> 00:51:33,390 as a follow up. 828 00:51:33,390 --> 00:51:36,730 They are generally natured due to back payment in 829 00:51:36,730 --> 00:51:37,500 rent 830 00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:42,470 or due to requests for keys or fobs, chargebacks. 831 00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:48,670 They do range 80% or under $2,000 and 20% 832 00:51:48,670 --> 00:51:53,740 are over between the $2,000 and $4,000 mark. 833 00:51:53,740 --> 00:51:57,070 - Councillor Stevenson. 834 00:51:57,070 --> 00:51:59,560 - Thank you, as a follow-up through you, 835 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,240 what would be the percentage of tenants on OW or 836 00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:07,450 ODSP? 837 00:52:07,450 --> 00:52:08,610 - Through the chair. - Go ahead. 838 00:52:08,610 --> 00:52:10,590 - Sorry, through the chair. 839 00:52:10,590 --> 00:52:12,580 I actually don't know specifically. 840 00:52:12,580 --> 00:52:17,260 I am aware of the numbers associated to support, 841 00:52:17,260 --> 00:52:20,560 but the exact number associated to those programs 842 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:20,660 , 843 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,560 I couldn't tell you at this time. 844 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:24,590 - Councillor? 845 00:52:24,590 --> 00:52:26,140 - Thank you, then, through you. 846 00:52:26,140 --> 00:52:29,810 What's the policy for a tenant that's collecting 847 00:52:29,810 --> 00:52:31,250 OW or ODSP 848 00:52:31,250 --> 00:52:36,680 if they've missed a rent payment? 849 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:37,720 - Go ahead, please. 850 00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:40,350 - Through the chair, we do work with OW 851 00:52:40,350 --> 00:52:42,860 to help reconcile that. 852 00:52:42,860 --> 00:52:45,210 We have a relationship with Ontario Works. 853 00:52:45,210 --> 00:52:47,160 We do communicate with a tenant as well, too, 854 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,100 to help them eliminate the situation. 855 00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:53,080 As typically, there is a path forward to come to 856 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:53,610 resolution, 857 00:52:53,610 --> 00:52:55,320 and we do find success. 858 00:52:55,320 --> 00:53:00,310 Generally speaking, in the odd time, we do not. 859 00:53:00,310 --> 00:53:02,380 - Councillor. 860 00:53:02,380 --> 00:53:03,220 - Thank you. 861 00:53:03,220 --> 00:53:04,760 Yeah, knowing that there is the option to have 862 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:05,550 rent deducted, 863 00:53:05,550 --> 00:53:08,510 I would hope that arrears aren't accumulating in 864 00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:09,220 that way. 865 00:53:09,220 --> 00:53:12,690 The other thing is it says on here that the 866 00:53:12,690 --> 00:53:15,200 number, 867 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,370 or it talks about a 47% decreasing Q1 20, 20, 20, 868 00:53:20,370 --> 00:53:20,470 26, 869 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,610 but it doesn't talk about the fact that it went 870 00:53:23,610 --> 00:53:25,920 up 166% 871 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,270 in Q4 of 2025. 872 00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:28,380 So we talk about it getting better, 873 00:53:28,380 --> 00:53:30,910 but it got way worse still not as good as it was 874 00:53:30,910 --> 00:53:31,620 before. 875 00:53:31,620 --> 00:53:35,290 there's 330% increases there. 876 00:53:35,290 --> 00:53:36,810 So I just wondered if we could hear more 877 00:53:36,810 --> 00:53:41,240 about the improvement in that. 878 00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:43,920 - Thank you, I'll go to Ms. D. Kendia. 879 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,910 - Through the chair, so that spike from the last 880 00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:48,360 quarter 2025, 881 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,750 we do attribute it primarily to the seasonality, 882 00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:53,470 the cold weather temperatures. 883 00:53:53,470 --> 00:53:55,740 So that would be a spike that we see 884 00:53:55,740 --> 00:53:57,740 from a portfolio perspective across LMCH. 885 00:53:57,740 --> 00:53:59,540 It's quite common over the winter months 886 00:53:59,540 --> 00:54:02,010 that we do see an uptake there. 887 00:54:02,010 --> 00:54:06,260 And then going into Q1 with the weather improving 888 00:54:06,260 --> 00:54:09,310 and we have had a different approach as 889 00:54:09,310 --> 00:54:09,940 articulated 890 00:54:09,940 --> 00:54:13,190 in the transition plan in terms of engaging with 891 00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:14,290 tendencies. 892 00:54:14,290 --> 00:54:16,720 We do think that there is some parallel 893 00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:19,740 with deeper engagement with tenants in their 894 00:54:19,740 --> 00:54:20,320 partner, 895 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,590 their supports and partners, 896 00:54:22,590 --> 00:54:26,030 which are hopefully contributing to positive 897 00:54:26,030 --> 00:54:26,390 shift 898 00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:28,100 in the building in terms of reminders 899 00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:31,280 of what being a good neighbor looks like 900 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,610 and your responsibility to ensure 901 00:54:33,610 --> 00:54:35,750 that you are managing your guests. 902 00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:38,970 We hope has resonated and we think is seen in the 903 00:54:38,970 --> 00:54:39,850 results. 904 00:54:39,850 --> 00:54:41,030 That is what we're contributing to. 905 00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:44,300 The initial spike is really a citywide cold 906 00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:45,360 weather thing. 907 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,300 And then the improvement that we saw on Q1, 908 00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:49,990 we do attribute to us working more closely 909 00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:52,950 with the partners in addition to reinforcing 910 00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:55,390 certain messaging. 911 00:54:55,390 --> 00:54:57,290 - Councillor Stevenson. 912 00:54:57,290 --> 00:54:58,400 - Thank you and through you. 913 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,460 It talks about the primary goal being 914 00:55:00,460 --> 00:55:02,630 to stabilize complex tendencies 915 00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:05,090 by supporting tenants to remain housed where 916 00:55:05,090 --> 00:55:06,310 possible. 917 00:55:06,310 --> 00:55:09,250 It's a housing stability first eviction as a last 918 00:55:09,250 --> 00:55:09,770 resort. 919 00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:12,910 I'm just wondering why the safety of the 920 00:55:12,910 --> 00:55:13,540 residents 921 00:55:13,540 --> 00:55:17,340 in the building that aren't the more complex ones 922 00:55:17,340 --> 00:55:22,090 and the neighborhood isn't the top priority. 923 00:55:22,090 --> 00:55:24,430 - Thank you, I got a mistake, Indita. 924 00:55:24,430 --> 00:55:28,450 - Through the chair, they are equal priorities 925 00:55:28,450 --> 00:55:29,360 for us. 926 00:55:31,290 --> 00:55:34,460 Stabilizing the tendencies, we believe is 927 00:55:34,460 --> 00:55:35,170 possible 928 00:55:35,170 --> 00:55:36,920 and we believe that working through 929 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,920 with the tenants and our partners, 930 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,830 that goal is in parallel as we work through 931 00:55:42,830 --> 00:55:44,830 the safety of the building and the community is 932 00:55:44,830 --> 00:55:45,620 equal to us. 933 00:55:45,620 --> 00:55:46,860 And so that's really the approach 934 00:55:46,860 --> 00:55:50,170 that we're describing in this transition period. 935 00:55:50,170 --> 00:55:53,150 As we have a window, we're opening the 936 00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:53,880 conversation 937 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,670 to the system, right, working with city partners, 938 00:55:56,670 --> 00:55:59,510 city administration and our partners. 939 00:55:59,510 --> 00:56:01,950 We're trying to establish off-ramps for 940 00:56:01,950 --> 00:56:02,740 individuals 941 00:56:02,740 --> 00:56:05,770 who may be better supported in alternate housing, 942 00:56:05,770 --> 00:56:08,160 which is now really for the first time available 943 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:08,570 to us 944 00:56:08,570 --> 00:56:10,760 as a tool, as we have more supportive housing 945 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,450 and other types of housing online. 946 00:56:13,450 --> 00:56:16,550 We are doing our best to take a balanced approach 947 00:56:16,550 --> 00:56:19,930 with dignity for tendencies while being extremely 948 00:56:19,930 --> 00:56:20,400 focused 949 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,190 on that community safety piece. 950 00:56:22,190 --> 00:56:25,330 The goal is that over a period of time, 951 00:56:25,330 --> 00:56:28,430 both are stabilized, and that is the approach 952 00:56:28,430 --> 00:56:30,850 that we've been taking. 953 00:56:30,850 --> 00:56:32,350 - Councillor Stevenson. 954 00:56:32,350 --> 00:56:33,180 - Okay, thank you. 955 00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:34,730 On the next page it talks, 956 00:56:34,730 --> 00:56:36,270 it says that as part of the ongoing 957 00:56:36,270 --> 00:56:37,060 implementation, 958 00:56:37,060 --> 00:56:40,610 RTA line processes may be advanced in the 959 00:56:40,610 --> 00:56:42,100 upcoming quarter. 960 00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:45,610 We're appropriate to address unresolved high risk 961 00:56:45,610 --> 00:56:46,460 situations. 962 00:56:46,460 --> 00:56:50,500 Can you tell me more about that? 963 00:56:50,500 --> 00:56:51,960 - Thank you, I got a Mr. Gandita. 964 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,490 - Through the chair. 965 00:56:53,490 --> 00:56:57,520 So we do have some tools available to us 966 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,230 that in terms of enforcement, 967 00:57:00,230 --> 00:57:01,750 a reassures as a way, obviously, 968 00:57:01,750 --> 00:57:04,460 that we mentioned in the report initially 969 00:57:04,460 --> 00:57:06,730 that we are progressing with. 970 00:57:06,730 --> 00:57:10,010 I think the piece that I hope is captured here 971 00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:10,400 today 972 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,270 is that there are some arrears challenges 973 00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:15,380 with complex tendencies 974 00:57:15,380 --> 00:57:17,770 and some complex tendencies don't have arrears 975 00:57:17,770 --> 00:57:18,330 challenges. 976 00:57:18,330 --> 00:57:20,730 We are really trying to take an approach 977 00:57:20,730 --> 00:57:22,320 that does stabilize sentences, 978 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,740 protects community safety and wellbeing. 979 00:57:24,740 --> 00:57:26,680 We are just having our initial conversation. 980 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,810 So in January is when we started to communicate 981 00:57:28,810 --> 00:57:31,230 around this framework that we are trying to work 982 00:57:31,230 --> 00:57:32,270 through. 983 00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:35,410 We are trying to let the process take time. 984 00:57:35,410 --> 00:57:37,550 We're hoping that for some individuals 985 00:57:37,550 --> 00:57:39,890 that there may be an opportunity for them 986 00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:42,580 to have an off-ramp that is more aligned 987 00:57:42,580 --> 00:57:45,650 with maybe we'll create some housing stability 988 00:57:45,650 --> 00:57:49,310 and wellness pieces, and these different pieces 989 00:57:49,310 --> 00:57:50,520 take a little bit of time. 990 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,530 So we're trying to allow the system to do its 991 00:57:53,530 --> 00:57:54,120 work 992 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:59,050 while we are organizing ourselves to prioritize 993 00:57:59,050 --> 00:58:06,210 those who would move forward in the LTB process. 994 00:58:06,210 --> 00:58:07,930 - Councillor Stevenson. 995 00:58:07,930 --> 00:58:08,740 - Thank you. 996 00:58:08,740 --> 00:58:11,240 One last question was around the, 997 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,190 it talked about there was some difficulties 998 00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:14,840 moving people 999 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,780 into the support of housing and highly supportive 1000 00:58:17,780 --> 00:58:17,880 housing. 1001 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,230 Could we hear more about that? 1002 00:58:21,230 --> 00:58:22,010 - Thank you. 1003 00:58:22,010 --> 00:58:25,080 I'll go to Mr. Gendeda. 1004 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:29,490 - Through the chair, that piece isn't led by LMCH 1005 00:58:29,490 --> 00:58:30,050 . 1006 00:58:30,290 --> 00:58:32,560 We put forward through the framework 1007 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,890 or recommendation to our city partners 1008 00:58:35,890 --> 00:58:39,130 on those who we felt based on a multitude of 1009 00:58:39,130 --> 00:58:39,630 factors 1010 00:58:39,630 --> 00:58:42,130 would benefit most for this opportunity 1011 00:58:42,130 --> 00:58:44,760 to potentially be transitioned. 1012 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,220 Those conversations with the tenants 1013 00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:50,360 and the partners are not held by LMCH. 1014 00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,320 We are the property managers, we are the 1015 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:53,420 landlords, 1016 00:58:53,410 --> 00:58:54,920 and so that would be out of scope 1017 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:59,360 for what is within our obligation. 1018 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,520 - Thank you, Mr. Dickens. 1019 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:02,750 - Thank you and through you, Chair. 1020 00:59:02,750 --> 00:59:04,640 Those conversations are absolutely ongoing 1021 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,310 between the housing provider 1022 00:59:06,310 --> 00:59:08,680 and the supportive housing providers 1023 00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,860 looking at program capacity. 1024 00:59:11,860 --> 00:59:15,250 So who has vacancy in supportive housing spaces? 1025 00:59:15,250 --> 00:59:19,770 Are there any issues or barriers that emerge 1026 00:59:19,770 --> 00:59:23,160 in terms of the tenant actually wishing to do 1027 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:23,830 that? 1028 00:59:23,830 --> 00:59:25,190 We can't force people. 1029 00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:27,740 We can't come into baseline and say, 1030 00:59:27,740 --> 00:59:29,470 We've deemed that you should be in support of 1031 00:59:29,470 --> 00:59:29,940 housing 1032 00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:31,330 out you go. 1033 00:59:31,330 --> 00:59:35,640 There is an element of trying to coax convince, 1034 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,550 demonstrate the effectiveness and value 1035 00:59:37,550 --> 00:59:40,260 of moving into a different housing type, 1036 00:59:40,260 --> 00:59:42,260 where it's fully staffed with lots of supports. 1037 00:59:42,260 --> 00:59:44,930 And so we are still doing that work 1038 00:59:44,930 --> 00:59:47,080 through the support of housing providers 1039 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,600 and their assessments of the tenants 1040 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,660 as well as working directly with the tenants. 1041 00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:53,580 - Councillor Stevenson. 1042 00:59:53,580 --> 00:59:54,420 - Thank you very much. 1043 00:59:54,420 --> 00:59:56,370 I'll move to the newcomer strategy. 1044 00:59:56,370 --> 00:59:59,870 It says that Strategic Priority 1 is attraction, 1045 00:59:59,870 --> 01:00:01,500 that there was a digital marketing campaign 1046 01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:05,140 launched throughout 2025, promoting London as an 1047 01:00:05,140 --> 01:00:07,860 ideal destination, attracting secondary 1048 01:00:07,860 --> 01:00:08,850 migration. 1049 01:00:08,850 --> 01:00:17,740 Could I just hear more about that? 1050 01:00:17,740 --> 01:00:18,690 Thank you. 1051 01:00:18,690 --> 01:00:24,410 I'll go to Mr. Tao whenever he's available. 1052 01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:25,360 Thank you for joining us. 1053 01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,370 Please go ahead. 1054 01:00:27,370 --> 01:00:28,370 Thank you. 1055 01:00:28,370 --> 01:00:30,310 And through you Madam Chair, the like campaign 1056 01:00:30,310 --> 01:00:32,340 was launched last year throughout the calendar 1057 01:00:32,340 --> 01:00:34,800 year to attracting the secondary migrant to 1058 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,180 London and Harry because of the cuts to direct 1059 01:00:37,180 --> 01:00:40,580 migration from overseas to Canada while there's 1060 01:00:40,580 --> 01:00:42,980 still some foreign labor shortages in the area 1061 01:00:42,980 --> 01:00:45,580 that we need to address. So this is part of the 1062 01:00:45,580 --> 01:00:48,360 Beggar Attraction Campaign that is tied to the 1063 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,150 new commercial strategy. Councillor Stevenson. 1064 01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:55,850 Thank you. And maybe a bit more about the key 1065 01:00:55,850 --> 01:00:58,220 economic sectors that are being focused on? 1066 01:00:58,220 --> 01:01:02,610 Yes. And thank you. Through you, Madam Chair, the 1067 01:01:02,610 --> 01:01:06,170 key economic sectors are manufacturing, 1068 01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:09,770 construction, IT and healthcare and life sciences 1069 01:01:09,770 --> 01:01:11,830 . Those are the key sectors that we focus on in 1070 01:01:11,830 --> 01:01:20,000 the campaign. Councillor Stevenson. Thank you. 1071 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,660 And another follow-up. How is the 1072 01:01:23,660 --> 01:01:27,020 high unemployment rate that we are seeing now 1073 01:01:27,020 --> 01:01:30,880 highest in the country? How does that impact this 1074 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:36,110 at all? Mr. Toh. Thank you. And so the new 1075 01:01:36,110 --> 01:01:38,840 commercial strategy work in concert with other 1076 01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,790 cities approved initiative to address the full 1077 01:01:41,790 --> 01:01:44,080 range labor force needs including high skill, 1078 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:48,340 fiscal and low skills. So while without down 1079 01:01:48,340 --> 01:01:50,620 playing the significance of the unemployment rate, 1080 01:01:50,620 --> 01:01:53,040 there are still chronic shortages in key sectors 1081 01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,410 that we still need to address because 1082 01:01:55,410 --> 01:01:58,810 general labour availability does not necessarily 1083 01:01:58,810 --> 01:02:01,620 translate into off shift or specialised skills 1084 01:02:01,620 --> 01:02:06,070 availability in the area. Thank you. Councillor 1085 01:02:06,070 --> 01:02:06,280 Stevenson. 1086 01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,640 Thank you. And it mentions that it's funded 1087 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,630 within existing resources, but I can't remember 1088 01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:13,030 - Member, what is the budget for the newcomer 1089 01:02:13,030 --> 01:02:15,830 strategy? 1090 01:02:15,830 --> 01:02:17,800 - Thank you, and the budget is spent 1091 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,690 on the immigration services, 1092 01:02:21,690 --> 01:02:23,600 but I will have to go back and double check the 1093 01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:27,070 exact amount. 1094 01:02:27,070 --> 01:02:28,840 - Thank you, and if you could provide that 1095 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,690 in between now and council, if that's possible. 1096 01:02:30,690 --> 01:02:31,990 Thank you. 1097 01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:34,370 Councilor Stevenson. 1098 01:02:34,370 --> 01:02:35,590 - Thank you. 1099 01:02:35,590 --> 01:02:37,660 For the Municipal Compliance Services, 1100 01:02:37,660 --> 01:02:42,170 it mentions that at the stage, 1101 01:02:42,170 --> 01:02:43,880 civic administration can't determine the 1102 01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:44,910 preferred solution 1103 01:02:44,910 --> 01:02:47,880 implementation approach cost timeline or 1104 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,160 operational impact until council has 1105 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,140 provided direction on the scope and the nature of 1106 01:02:53,140 --> 01:02:54,220 public disclosure to be 1107 01:02:54,220 --> 01:02:56,600 authorized into the policy and I just wondered 1108 01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,280 does this 30 second up of that 1109 01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,680 for them to go forward because we're authorizing 1110 01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,850 a business case but I I am 1111 01:03:02,850 --> 01:03:05,800 not seeing exactly where we're providing 1112 01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,510 direction or scope unless it's 1113 01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:12,120 included in that by-law amendment. 1114 01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,960 Thank you and through the chair yes that's 1115 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,510 exactly at counselor it's it's 1116 01:03:16,510 --> 01:03:18,420 it's provided within that by-law amendment. 1117 01:03:18,420 --> 01:03:21,470 So if that by-law amendment is passed, 1118 01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:23,330 then we can look to the next steps 1119 01:03:23,330 --> 01:03:25,400 would be, which would be the strategic planning 1120 01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,710 process. 1121 01:03:27,710 --> 01:03:29,380 - Councilor, you've got 17 seconds. 1122 01:03:29,380 --> 01:03:30,220 - Okay, thanks. 1123 01:03:30,220 --> 01:03:31,930 The last one is just about it being, 1124 01:03:31,930 --> 01:03:34,900 it's meant to shift from a blanket non-disclosure 1125 01:03:34,900 --> 01:03:35,000 approach 1126 01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:36,300 to a more transparent approach. 1127 01:03:36,300 --> 01:03:39,050 And it refers to 2023 and previously, 1128 01:03:39,050 --> 01:03:42,020 how long have we had this blanket non-disclosure 1129 01:03:42,020 --> 01:03:42,120 approach? 1130 01:03:42,110 --> 01:03:46,430 Was that a change in recent times? 1131 01:03:46,430 --> 01:03:47,540 - Thank you, I've got Ms. Pfeffer, 1132 01:03:47,540 --> 01:03:48,360 and that's your time. 1133 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:49,660 Councilor, you have three seconds remaining, 1134 01:03:49,660 --> 01:03:51,430 but if you want to try to squeeze something in, 1135 01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:54,900 okay, I've got a misstepher. 1136 01:03:54,900 --> 01:03:57,940 - Through the chair, this policy has been in 1137 01:03:57,940 --> 01:03:58,180 effect 1138 01:03:58,180 --> 01:04:01,170 since 2023, that's why that time was listed 1139 01:04:01,170 --> 01:04:03,550 as when we first began operating under that 1140 01:04:03,550 --> 01:04:05,750 policy. 1141 01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:08,030 - Thank you, next speaker on my list is Councill 1142 01:04:08,030 --> 01:04:11,100 or Pribble. 1143 01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:13,760 - Thank you, Chair, and I'm gonna start with 2.3, 1144 01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:14,990 and I'm gonna thank the staff 1145 01:04:14,990 --> 01:04:16,460 because when I look at that report, 1146 01:04:16,460 --> 01:04:20,740 it's truly meaningful, conceptual with a vision, 1147 01:04:20,740 --> 01:04:25,040 and I certainly hope the next council will 1148 01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:25,770 support it 1149 01:04:26,010 --> 01:04:28,380 to multi-year budget and it's also very 1150 01:04:28,380 --> 01:04:29,820 meaningful because honestly I don't 1151 01:04:29,820 --> 01:04:31,900 think that there is one single week that I wouldn 1152 01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:33,120 't have at least one call, one 1153 01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,940 comment, one text regarding asking for additional 1154 01:04:36,940 --> 01:04:38,610 information and I think we 1155 01:04:38,610 --> 01:04:41,280 all of us here on this side we do understand 1156 01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,000 regarding the privacy but on 1157 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,370 the other hand we believe that there is some 1158 01:04:45,370 --> 01:04:47,020 additional information that we 1159 01:04:47,020 --> 01:04:49,430 could be sharing and this is the step forward so 1160 01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:50,760 thank you very much to you 1161 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,800 and your entire team very positive and as I said 1162 01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,290 the only thing would be for me 1163 01:04:55,290 --> 01:04:57,130 would be timeline because I would love if we 1164 01:04:57,130 --> 01:05:00,160 could introduce it tomorrow. 1165 01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:06,710 Two-point regarding 2.6. I do have a question and 1166 01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:10,380 it's the follow-up on the baseline. And 1167 01:05:10,380 --> 01:05:13,360 when I look at the number of units and number of 1168 01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,990 30-plus areas, it was kind of worrying 1169 01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:18,970 me as well when I read that. Then when it was 1170 01:05:18,970 --> 01:05:20,490 stated kind of potentially what it could 1171 01:05:20,490 --> 01:05:23,980 before, then it's kind of some potentially minor 1172 01:05:23,980 --> 01:05:27,470 items, minor things, minor reasons. 1173 01:05:27,470 --> 01:05:28,460 Could you provide us? 1174 01:05:28,460 --> 01:05:30,990 Because as I said, this actually in the report 1175 01:05:30,990 --> 01:05:34,370 looks more negative, quite negative, 30-plus 1176 01:05:34,370 --> 01:05:36,680 just in three months. 1177 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,340 Could you provide us or share with us before the 1178 01:05:39,340 --> 01:05:41,770 Council with additional information what 1179 01:05:41,770 --> 01:05:44,730 these 30-plus are or potentially amounts or 1180 01:05:44,730 --> 01:05:45,330 reasoning? 1181 01:05:45,330 --> 01:05:49,090 Are you able to share more information? 1182 01:05:49,090 --> 01:05:51,640 - Mr. Candida. 1183 01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,230 - Through the chair. 1184 01:05:53,230 --> 01:05:57,460 So we provided a most recent in time of the data 1185 01:05:57,460 --> 01:05:57,930 report, 1186 01:05:57,930 --> 01:06:00,400 but if we're looking at last quarter, 1187 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,650 when we were at 26 units, so close enough, I 1188 01:06:03,650 --> 01:06:04,190 think. 1189 01:06:04,190 --> 01:06:08,660 So four were related to chargeback. 1190 01:06:08,660 --> 01:06:12,320 Two just received outstanding balance reminders, 1191 01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,290 which would mean it'd be a very recent type of a 1192 01:06:15,290 --> 01:06:15,620 year. 1193 01:06:15,620 --> 01:06:20,120 Someone already came forward to for a repayment 1194 01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:20,500 plan 1195 01:06:20,500 --> 01:06:26,480 in 19 were issued and fours. 1196 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,110 - Councillor Preble. 1197 01:06:28,110 --> 01:06:29,190 - Okay, thank you for that. 1198 01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:30,980 That certainly is very much helpful. 1199 01:06:30,980 --> 01:06:32,930 So thank you for providing that. 1200 01:06:32,930 --> 01:06:35,400 And I do know that these reports are not, 1201 01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:36,640 they weren't completed yesterday, 1202 01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,030 but any additional information or the most 1203 01:06:39,030 --> 01:06:39,740 current one 1204 01:06:39,740 --> 01:06:40,820 would be helpful. 1205 01:06:40,820 --> 01:06:42,090 So we are more at peace. 1206 01:06:42,090 --> 01:06:44,070 So we don't see these kind of potentially huge 1207 01:06:44,070 --> 01:06:44,560 numbers 1208 01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,940 behind and huge, you know, since the beginning, 1209 01:06:46,940 --> 01:06:47,350 et cetera. 1210 01:06:47,350 --> 01:06:49,680 So thank you for that clarification. 1211 01:06:50,830 --> 01:06:55,500 2.10. I really want to highlight this impact 1212 01:06:55,500 --> 01:06:58,720 report, what a great report and how it again 1213 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,080 accudes to the entire team because I love in 1214 01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,140 these plans and in these reports they come 1215 01:07:04,140 --> 01:07:06,560 to the big picture and strategic plan. So when I 1216 01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:07,890 look at the pie chart, when I look 1217 01:07:07,890 --> 01:07:11,000 at the percentages and our areas of focus, we are 1218 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,350 , and as I always say, we can always 1219 01:07:13,350 --> 01:07:15,440 be better, we can deliver more, absolutely. But 1220 01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,110 when I look at the percentages, how it 1221 01:07:17,110 --> 01:07:20,600 fits into our implementation plan, it absolutely 1222 01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,230 makes sense on the corporate level. 1223 01:07:23,230 --> 01:07:25,620 So thank you for that, because I always look at 1224 01:07:25,620 --> 01:07:27,840 these reports, are they fitting into our 1225 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,080 strategic plan implementation plan? 1226 01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:31,910 The answer for this one is yes. 1227 01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:33,930 And I love not just the organizations, the 1228 01:07:33,930 --> 01:07:36,180 feedback from the parents, the feedback from 1229 01:07:36,180 --> 01:07:39,170 the participants, much more beneficial, don't get 1230 01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:41,450 me around the organizations that receive 1231 01:07:41,450 --> 01:07:42,450 it. 1232 01:07:42,450 --> 01:07:44,180 I do want their feedback as well, but when we go 1233 01:07:44,180 --> 01:07:45,680 directly to the source, it's even much 1234 01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:54,660 more meaningful. So thank you for that. And I 1235 01:07:54,660 --> 01:07:55,890 believe I hope I didn't miss anything. But thank 1236 01:07:55,890 --> 01:07:56,190 you. 1237 01:07:56,190 --> 01:08:03,170 Thank you. Looking for other speakers. Okay. 1238 01:08:03,170 --> 01:08:04,600 Seeing none, Councilor Provost, can you take the 1239 01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:05,070 chair? 1240 01:08:05,070 --> 01:08:09,020 I have the chair and I recognize Council Raman. 1241 01:08:09,020 --> 01:08:13,990 Thank you. I wanted to start on item 2.1, 1242 01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:17,200 the London newcomer strategy. First, I want to 1243 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,110 thank staff for the report. I really appreciate 1244 01:08:20,110 --> 01:08:23,080 the update and the welcoming Francophone 1245 01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,120 community initiative that's so so outlined. 1246 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:29,370 I just wanted to follow up on the new camera 1247 01:08:29,370 --> 01:08:33,430 strategy and just ask a question around 1248 01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:34,250 participation 1249 01:08:34,250 --> 01:08:36,640 of those with lived experience. So I know that we 1250 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,250 have a panel it's mentioned in the report. 1251 01:08:39,250 --> 01:08:41,130 We have chairs that have been involved for quite 1252 01:08:41,130 --> 01:08:43,460 some time. I'm just wondering how does 1253 01:08:43,460 --> 01:08:48,480 lived experience enter into the discussion? Thank 1254 01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:51,370 you. And we have four new camera champions 1255 01:08:51,370 --> 01:08:53,730 with lived experience on a panel and they are 1256 01:08:53,730 --> 01:08:55,640 selected through community recommendation 1257 01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,640 and also based on the portfolio and their 1258 01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,480 expertise in different area 1259 01:08:59,480 --> 01:09:01,540 to make sure there's a meaningful contribution 1260 01:09:01,540 --> 01:09:03,750 and representative voices on a panel that 1261 01:09:03,750 --> 01:09:04,050 represent 1262 01:09:04,050 --> 01:09:08,440 newcomers. Thank you. Yes, I'm grateful for the 1263 01:09:08,440 --> 01:09:11,240 work of the committee and it's wonderful to see 1264 01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,550 the involvement that we have. One of the things I 1265 01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:19,710 hear quite often is around some of the 1266 01:09:19,710 --> 01:09:20,350 significant 1267 01:09:20,350 --> 01:09:23,370 and challenges faced by newcomers to our 1268 01:09:23,370 --> 01:09:23,980 community, 1269 01:09:23,980 --> 01:09:26,020 especially around employment. 1270 01:09:26,020 --> 01:09:28,900 And the fact that they feel like the strategies 1271 01:09:28,900 --> 01:09:31,730 that they're presented with and the strategies 1272 01:09:31,730 --> 01:09:35,290 that they're trying aren't working for them. 1273 01:09:35,290 --> 01:09:37,440 And so they're looking for new ways 1274 01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:41,000 to engage and find opportunity. 1275 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:45,410 And so I'm pleased to see that we continue to 1276 01:09:45,410 --> 01:09:45,950 update 1277 01:09:45,950 --> 01:09:48,940 our programs, that we continue to look for new 1278 01:09:48,940 --> 01:09:49,070 ways 1279 01:09:49,070 --> 01:09:50,710 to engage folks. 1280 01:09:50,710 --> 01:09:53,100 What I'd like to see about some of our 1281 01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:53,780 programming 1282 01:09:53,780 --> 01:09:55,620 as it's been evolving and changing 1283 01:09:55,620 --> 01:09:58,500 is that we've been moving it around the city. 1284 01:09:58,500 --> 01:10:01,290 So we've had some programming 1285 01:10:01,290 --> 01:10:02,970 out at South London Community Center. 1286 01:10:02,970 --> 01:10:05,210 We've had it at Fanshawe College, 1287 01:10:05,210 --> 01:10:08,520 and we've had it at other locations, 1288 01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,000 as well as the resources that we have available 1289 01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,570 throughout the community, through our resource 1290 01:10:13,570 --> 01:10:14,070 centers, 1291 01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:16,230 through our libraries and other partners. 1292 01:10:16,230 --> 01:10:20,010 So I think that that's great and very helpful. 1293 01:10:20,010 --> 01:10:25,120 I'm very pleased to see that we continue to work 1294 01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,990 on these strategies, but I agree that there's a 1295 01:10:28,990 --> 01:10:30,100 newer 1296 01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:35,160 realization around our unemployment rate 1297 01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,140 that we have to take into consideration 1298 01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:40,510 and how that may affect newcomer communities 1299 01:10:40,510 --> 01:10:40,910 differently. 1300 01:10:40,910 --> 01:10:42,470 So I'm just wondering if you can speak to that a 1301 01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:44,630 bit more. 1302 01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:47,960 - Going to the staff. 1303 01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,420 Thank you, and through you, we do recognize 1304 01:10:50,420 --> 01:10:52,990 the unemployment rate is impacting almost 1305 01:10:52,990 --> 01:10:53,380 everyone, 1306 01:10:53,380 --> 01:10:56,140 including the newcomers population in the city. 1307 01:10:56,140 --> 01:10:58,330 And we do recognize there's a growing trend 1308 01:10:58,330 --> 01:11:00,430 that because of the unemployment rate, 1309 01:11:00,430 --> 01:11:02,010 more and more newcomers have been pushed 1310 01:11:02,010 --> 01:11:03,190 to entrepreneurship. 1311 01:11:03,190 --> 01:11:05,550 So there have been some work dedicated to this 1312 01:11:05,550 --> 01:11:05,650 area 1313 01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,450 to ensure that they can succeed 1314 01:11:07,450 --> 01:11:09,820 if they decide to choose on the entrepreneurial 1315 01:11:09,820 --> 01:11:10,680 venture. 1316 01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,310 And there's something that will continue to work 1317 01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:12,470 on 1318 01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:20,280 with community partners. 1319 01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,000 Thank you. 1320 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,880 - Thank you, Councillor, follow? 1321 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:25,720 - Thank you. 1322 01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:29,880 on to 2.2. Very pleased to see the tree strategy 1323 01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:31,230 supportive of looking at the feasibility of 1324 01:11:31,230 --> 01:11:36,400 this nursery. 2.3. I want to thank staff for the 1325 01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,820 compliance service policy update. 1326 01:11:38,820 --> 01:11:41,810 I do think the update will be meaningful and it 1327 01:11:41,810 --> 01:11:44,970 will require some business process changes 1328 01:11:44,970 --> 01:11:48,210 in not just the counselor's office but in service 1329 01:11:48,210 --> 01:11:52,800 London and elsewhere. I am hopeful that we can 1330 01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:57,490 smooth that out as we we go forward. I know for 1331 01:11:57,490 --> 01:12:00,220 instance, oftentimes when someone contacts 1332 01:12:00,220 --> 01:12:02,220 the Councillor's office, we have kind of some 1333 01:12:02,220 --> 01:12:04,860 standard language that we say around this policy 1334 01:12:04,860 --> 01:12:06,820 that will need to be tweaked and updated. Now 1335 01:12:06,820 --> 01:12:08,930 that we're able to give address disclosure 1336 01:12:08,930 --> 01:12:09,570 information, 1337 01:12:09,570 --> 01:12:13,740 so I'm pleased to see that. And I know with these 1338 01:12:13,740 --> 01:12:17,080 types of updates, I just want to get some clarity 1339 01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,130 around if somebody filed a bylaw complaint, let's 1340 01:12:20,130 --> 01:12:22,890 say before the date of this policy, does that 1341 01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:22,990 mean 1342 01:12:22,990 --> 01:12:26,750 they're not eligible for the address disclosure 1343 01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:30,870 information. It doesn't only apply after the date 1344 01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:34,690 that the policy takes effect. Thank you going 1345 01:12:34,690 --> 01:12:35,500 through the staff. 1346 01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:45,270 For the presiding officer, I would definitely 1347 01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:47,320 want to get a legal opinion on that. I don't feel 1348 01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,190 comfortable saying that it would or wouldn't 1349 01:12:49,190 --> 01:12:50,880 apply at this point in time, but I could come 1350 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:51,040 back 1351 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:55,740 to you before counsel with that answer. Thank you 1352 01:12:55,740 --> 01:12:57,910 . Thank you. That would be very helpful. 1353 01:12:57,910 --> 01:13:00,890 Because I know I have a number of probably 1354 01:13:00,890 --> 01:13:03,980 everybody does has a list of outstanding 1355 01:13:03,980 --> 01:13:04,460 complaints 1356 01:13:04,460 --> 01:13:07,440 that people would like more information on with 1357 01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:11,560 respect to kind of the summary of what other 1358 01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,850 municipalities are doing. I'm really thankful for 1359 01:13:14,850 --> 01:13:17,550 the information on Brampton and Toronto and 1360 01:13:17,550 --> 01:13:20,530 their standards and what they're using as 1361 01:13:20,530 --> 01:13:24,440 disclosures to the public. I really do think Bram 1362 01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:24,810 pton's 1363 01:13:24,810 --> 01:13:27,920 approach and the tool they're using is quite 1364 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,800 robust and I'd like to see us do that so I'm 1365 01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:31,670 hoping 1366 01:13:31,670 --> 01:13:35,110 that future council supports a strategy that 1367 01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:36,300 enables that. 1368 01:13:36,300 --> 01:13:40,550 In the meantime though, I'm just wondering what 1369 01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:46,450 will the public be able to ask of city staff 1370 01:13:46,450 --> 01:13:49,420 in terms of an update on any of these types of 1371 01:13:49,420 --> 01:13:52,020 disclosure information that would be in something 1372 01:13:52,020 --> 01:13:55,400 similar to the Brampton system? And with this 1373 01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,980 update and policy should we pass it, 1374 01:13:57,980 --> 01:14:00,570 what kind of information can the public request 1375 01:14:00,570 --> 01:14:01,090 of staff? 1376 01:14:01,090 --> 01:14:06,230 going through the staff? Thank you and through 1377 01:14:06,230 --> 01:14:09,400 the presiding officers so much like the Councill 1378 01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:09,580 or's 1379 01:14:09,580 --> 01:14:11,960 offices receive complaints about a lack of 1380 01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,670 information coming back in relation to service 1381 01:14:14,670 --> 01:14:17,070 requests we also receive similar complaints from 1382 01:14:17,070 --> 01:14:19,440 complainants who have filed a service request and 1383 01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:22,420 are left wondering what's become of that service 1384 01:14:22,420 --> 01:14:24,730 request. This is going to come with some growing 1385 01:14:24,730 --> 01:14:26,990 pains admittedly and we will have to work through 1386 01:14:26,990 --> 01:14:29,120 a process to identify what the best or who the 1387 01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:29,920 best 1388 01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,900 person is to contact to enable that information 1389 01:14:32,900 --> 01:14:35,050 sharing piece until we explore some of these 1390 01:14:35,050 --> 01:14:36,900 digital tools during the strategic planning 1391 01:14:36,900 --> 01:14:40,890 Process, but we can commit to having something 1392 01:14:40,890 --> 01:14:41,490 identified 1393 01:14:41,490 --> 01:14:43,940 so that they can access that information and they 1394 01:14:43,940 --> 01:14:46,120 would be able to access the information and 1395 01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:47,750 receive the same information as the 1396 01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:49,750 Councillors are able to receive that 1397 01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:51,640 Doesn't change so the members of the public to 1398 01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,620 answer your question directly would be able to 1399 01:14:53,620 --> 01:14:56,120 get information related to the status of their 1400 01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:56,730 complaint and 1401 01:14:57,050 --> 01:15:01,360 and any outcomes as a result of an investigation 1402 01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:05,170 conducted. 1403 01:15:05,170 --> 01:15:06,700 Thank you, Councillor. 1404 01:15:06,700 --> 01:15:07,690 Thank you. 1405 01:15:07,690 --> 01:15:09,560 So, would that look like they just would email 1406 01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,300 the by-law office, they would provide 1407 01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:14,840 the date and the address for the particular 1408 01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:18,450 complaint, and then they would receive the 1409 01:15:18,450 --> 01:15:19,550 information back? 1410 01:15:19,550 --> 01:15:24,340 I'm going back to the staff. 1411 01:15:24,340 --> 01:15:25,350 Thank you, through you. 1412 01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:26,570 It could look like that, yes. 1413 01:15:26,570 --> 01:15:29,570 I think it would make more sense to have a 1414 01:15:29,570 --> 01:15:33,070 central or a defined process in place where 1415 01:15:33,070 --> 01:15:36,240 by their emailing one specific email address 1416 01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:37,750 to obtain that information instead 1417 01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:39,890 of individual staff members. 1418 01:15:39,890 --> 01:15:42,260 But certainly that process will be identified 1419 01:15:42,260 --> 01:15:44,710 going forward. 1420 01:15:44,710 --> 01:15:45,950 - Thank you, Council. 1421 01:15:45,950 --> 01:15:47,870 - Thank you, that's very helpful. 1422 01:15:47,870 --> 01:15:50,250 I wanna thank staff for the report on 122 1423 01:15:50,250 --> 01:15:52,010 baseline as well. 1424 01:15:52,010 --> 01:15:55,040 It's very much appreciated to get this level of 1425 01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:55,550 detail 1426 01:15:55,550 --> 01:15:59,020 in this report and continue the discussion. 1427 01:15:59,020 --> 01:16:00,800 I'm glad to see that we'll get a report back in Q 1428 01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:01,840 4 2020, 1429 01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,310 or there will be a report back in Q4 2026. 1430 01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:06,000 And lastly, I just want to thank staff 1431 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:11,270 for the community with the update from getting 1432 01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:11,470 the time, 1433 01:16:11,470 --> 01:16:14,400 sorry, with community updates. 1434 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:15,950 - Thank you. 1435 01:16:15,950 --> 01:16:18,090 Glad to see community grants moving forward. 1436 01:16:18,090 --> 01:16:19,750 Really appreciate the level of detail 1437 01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:21,340 and the participant numbers included. 1438 01:16:21,340 --> 01:16:24,250 Thank you. 1439 01:16:24,250 --> 01:16:25,070 - Thank you, Councillor. 1440 01:16:25,070 --> 01:16:25,890 We're returning to chair. 1441 01:16:25,890 --> 01:16:27,800 And I do have one full up question for our staff. 1442 01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:28,820 Thank you. 1443 01:16:28,820 --> 01:16:29,620 - Thank you. 1444 01:16:29,620 --> 01:16:30,420 I'll go to Councillor Pribble. 1445 01:16:30,420 --> 01:16:31,310 Go ahead. 1446 01:16:31,310 --> 01:16:32,140 - Thank you, Mr. Chair. 1447 01:16:32,140 --> 01:16:35,580 And if I can have on the 2.1 the newcomer 1448 01:16:35,580 --> 01:16:36,100 strategy, 1449 01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:39,350 we talked and it was mentioned the economic 1450 01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:42,490 sectors. They are really matching the ones with 1451 01:16:42,490 --> 01:16:45,860 LEDC. And I just want to ask if we can fall in 1452 01:16:45,860 --> 01:16:51,290 terms of the sectors, newcomers, same as LEDC. 1453 01:16:51,290 --> 01:16:54,260 How is our cooperation coordination with LEDC in 1454 01:16:54,260 --> 01:16:57,610 terms of these in various initiatives? 1455 01:16:57,610 --> 01:17:00,290 Thank you. I've got a Mr. Chair. 1456 01:17:00,290 --> 01:17:03,790 Thank you. And through you, so LEDC is part of 1457 01:17:03,790 --> 01:17:05,760 the membership on the NUNDE NUNDE NUNDE NUNDE NUN 1458 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:05,870 DE 1459 01:17:05,870 --> 01:17:09,490 first report and they do have regular input to 1460 01:17:09,490 --> 01:17:11,360 help us navigate and understand the trends 1461 01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,320 in the local workforce issues, including how to 1462 01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,050 better attract newcomers to address some 1463 01:17:16,050 --> 01:17:18,650 of the chronic shortages in key sectors, 1464 01:17:18,650 --> 01:17:21,180 especially in those economic key sectors in 1465 01:17:21,180 --> 01:17:22,920 London area. 1466 01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:23,950 Thank you. 1467 01:17:23,950 --> 01:17:25,180 Councillor Preble. 1468 01:17:25,180 --> 01:17:28,350 Okay, so which is great in terms of the concept 1469 01:17:28,350 --> 01:17:31,760 and strategy and then how specific initiatives 1470 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,230 Are they still involved on the kind of what I 1471 01:17:34,230 --> 01:17:36,730 call ground level or is it really 1472 01:17:36,730 --> 01:17:39,500 gone or involved on the ground level initiatives? 1473 01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:42,900 Thank you, Agandam's channel. 1474 01:17:42,900 --> 01:17:45,150 Thank you and through you Madam Chair. So there 1475 01:17:45,150 --> 01:17:47,610 are multiple layers in the involvement 1476 01:17:47,610 --> 01:17:50,640 and we do have some partnership with LED CU 1477 01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,910 especially and with Small Business Center 1478 01:17:52,910 --> 01:17:55,290 in helping newcomers entrepreneurs to set up 1479 01:17:55,290 --> 01:17:57,050 their businesses. And this is one of the few 1480 01:17:57,050 --> 01:18:00,110 examples of how we work together. So depending on 1481 01:18:00,110 --> 01:18:03,170 the areas of focus we may switch and adjust 1482 01:18:03,170 --> 01:18:08,040 >> Thank you very much, no more questions. 1483 01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:09,840 >> Okay, thank you. 1484 01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,190 I'll look for any final speakers on these items 1485 01:18:12,190 --> 01:18:14,570 under consent. 1486 01:18:14,570 --> 01:18:16,910 Okay, seeing none, we will open the vote on 1487 01:18:16,910 --> 01:18:38,880 everything but 2.7 and 2.9. 1488 01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,170 >> Councillor Hopkins votes yes. 1489 01:18:40,170 --> 01:18:48,060 >> Opposing the vote, the motion carries five to 1490 01:18:48,060 --> 01:18:49,830 zero. 1491 01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:50,830 >> Thank you. 1492 01:18:50,830 --> 01:18:54,410 That moves us on to item 3.1, which is our 1493 01:18:54,410 --> 01:18:55,880 scheduled item. 1494 01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:58,250 We have first the fifth report of the 1495 01:18:58,250 --> 01:19:01,080 Environmental Stewardship and Action Community 1496 01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:01,640 Advisory 1497 01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:04,280 committee where we have a delegation from Mr. Sam 1498 01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,590 uels. Mr. Samuels, excuse me, I'll invite you to 1499 01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:07,750 the 1500 01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:11,710 microphone. Thank you very much and you have five 1501 01:19:11,710 --> 01:19:15,520 minutes. Welcome. Good afternoon Councillors, 1502 01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:18,490 staff, community folks here and watching online. 1503 01:19:18,490 --> 01:19:21,250 My name is Brendan Samuels and I'm here today as 1504 01:19:21,250 --> 01:19:21,350 a 1505 01:19:21,250 --> 01:19:22,940 member of the Environmental Stewardship and 1506 01:19:22,940 --> 01:19:24,980 Action Community Advisory Committee. I led the 1507 01:19:24,980 --> 01:19:25,300 working 1508 01:19:25,300 --> 01:19:27,260 groups that developed the reports attached to 1509 01:19:27,260 --> 01:19:29,440 your agenda. I realize it's a lot of content so I 1510 01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:31,820 wanted to be here today to try and help break it 1511 01:19:31,820 --> 01:19:34,280 down. Not given a lot of time to talk about these 1512 01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:34,380 , 1513 01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,020 I'm going to try and be brief. And if you have 1514 01:19:36,020 --> 01:19:37,660 any questions, I'd be happy to answer them 1515 01:19:37,660 --> 01:19:38,500 afterwards. 1516 01:19:38,500 --> 01:19:40,190 I just want to state clearly for the record why 1517 01:19:40,190 --> 01:19:43,120 we're providing these reports. We are a volunteer 1518 01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,500 community advisory committee that serves as the 1519 01:19:45,500 --> 01:19:47,100 discretion of counsel. We do not provide 1520 01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:47,900 direction. 1521 01:19:47,900 --> 01:19:49,880 What we hope to see is for our report to be 1522 01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,120 received and discussed by your committee, 1523 01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:53,960 and we would, of course, look to counsel to 1524 01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:55,790 provide for the direction as you see fit. 1525 01:19:55,790 --> 01:19:58,360 Our first report begins on page three of the 1526 01:19:58,360 --> 01:19:59,730 attachment to your agenda. 1527 01:19:59,730 --> 01:20:02,110 This is relating to proactive measures to help 1528 01:20:02,110 --> 01:20:04,330 limit the spread of invasive species of plants 1529 01:20:04,330 --> 01:20:05,080 and animals 1530 01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,610 associated with the horticulture and pet trades 1531 01:20:07,610 --> 01:20:08,350 in London. 1532 01:20:08,350 --> 01:20:10,230 If you want a great example of this, you can step 1533 01:20:10,230 --> 01:20:12,270 behind City Hall and I just pulled out 1534 01:20:12,270 --> 01:20:15,250 a long strand of English Ivy, which has formed a 1535 01:20:15,250 --> 01:20:16,900 carpet and took taking over all of the garden 1536 01:20:16,900 --> 01:20:18,100 beds back there. 1537 01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:22,540 In summary, we suggest the city explore how it 1538 01:20:22,540 --> 01:20:24,490 can use business licensing 1539 01:20:24,490 --> 01:20:26,960 to ensure consumers are provided with information 1540 01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,440 about purchasing specific invasive species 1541 01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:31,910 that can cause significant environmental and 1542 01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:34,390 property damage. We believe this cost-saving 1543 01:20:34,390 --> 01:20:36,510 measure could be set up in a way that would pay 1544 01:20:36,510 --> 01:20:38,620 for itself in terms of recouping costs, 1545 01:20:38,620 --> 01:20:41,610 and our report suggests using mechanisms that are 1546 01:20:41,610 --> 01:20:43,340 already present in the business licensing 1547 01:20:43,340 --> 01:20:45,720 by-law schedules for pet shops and businesses 1548 01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,050 selling fireworks. We hope to continue our 1549 01:20:48,050 --> 01:20:50,430 productive dialogue with the staff and support 1550 01:20:50,430 --> 01:20:52,680 them to develop information materials to be 1551 01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:53,080 provided 1552 01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,410 to consumers by licensed businesses. Again, we 1553 01:20:56,410 --> 01:20:58,540 already have a flyer just like this in every 1554 01:20:58,540 --> 01:21:01,120 shop selling fireworks which looks like this and 1555 01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,290 can be downloaded by the vendors from the 1556 01:21:03,290 --> 01:21:07,120 city's website. When our committee previously 1557 01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,070 collaborated with staff to update the yard and 1558 01:21:09,070 --> 01:21:11,440 lot maintenance by-law, we provided technical 1559 01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:13,820 guidance on selecting specific prohibited plants 1560 01:21:13,820 --> 01:21:16,700 now listed under a by-law schedule. Our second 1561 01:21:16,700 --> 01:21:18,950 report relates to the transition of the blue box 1562 01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:21,320 recycling program that started in January and 1563 01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:23,420 some concerns we're bringing from community for 1564 01:21:23,420 --> 01:21:24,620 for your attention. 1565 01:21:24,620 --> 01:21:26,410 The current program seems to be facing some 1566 01:21:26,410 --> 01:21:27,410 friction locally 1567 01:21:27,410 --> 01:21:29,880 as Londoners are not all aware of the changes, 1568 01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,270 such as the expanded types of materials now 1569 01:21:32,270 --> 01:21:32,640 accepted 1570 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,470 in their blue box and what cannot be recycled. 1571 01:21:35,470 --> 01:21:37,310 We're not sure about how residents are receiving 1572 01:21:37,310 --> 01:21:39,300 communication from circular materials 1573 01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:40,980 or Miller Waste about sorting, 1574 01:21:40,980 --> 01:21:43,210 and we believe that the rollout of communication 1575 01:21:43,210 --> 01:21:44,490 has been uneven. 1576 01:21:44,490 --> 01:21:46,650 We suggest the city collects additional feedback 1577 01:21:46,650 --> 01:21:49,030 from Londoners about recycling issues they are 1578 01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:49,800 experiencing, 1579 01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:51,510 while also appropriately referring them 1580 01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:52,990 to the program provider. 1581 01:21:52,990 --> 01:21:55,380 For instance, if you visit the service London 1582 01:21:55,380 --> 01:21:55,480 portal, 1583 01:21:55,470 --> 01:21:57,540 there's already buttons for green bin and garbage 1584 01:21:57,540 --> 01:21:57,640 , 1585 01:21:57,540 --> 01:22:00,330 but nothing referring people for recycling. 1586 01:22:00,330 --> 01:22:02,740 Because the city has longstanding communication 1587 01:22:02,740 --> 01:22:02,910 channels 1588 01:22:02,910 --> 01:22:05,350 used for communicating with residents about waste 1589 01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:05,500 , 1590 01:22:05,500 --> 01:22:07,260 we think it would be worthwhile to reach out 1591 01:22:07,260 --> 01:22:08,740 to the new blue box provider 1592 01:22:08,740 --> 01:22:10,810 and ask them how the city can collaborate 1593 01:22:10,810 --> 01:22:13,250 to support their communication efforts locally. 1594 01:22:13,250 --> 01:22:15,840 While this is no longer the city's responsibility 1595 01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:15,940 , 1596 01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,680 uptake of the program is still relevant 1597 01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:19,230 to our environmental goals 1598 01:22:19,230 --> 01:22:21,510 like reducing waste sent to landfill. 1599 01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:23,890 Our third and final report responds to Council's 1600 01:22:23,890 --> 01:22:24,140 request 1601 01:22:24,140 --> 01:22:26,530 for feedback on rat infestations and property 1602 01:22:26,530 --> 01:22:27,060 standards. 1603 01:22:27,060 --> 01:22:28,950 We are generally supportive of the staff 1604 01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:29,930 recommendation. 1605 01:22:29,930 --> 01:22:31,530 I'm gonna briefly highlight a few areas 1606 01:22:31,530 --> 01:22:33,910 where our report provides guidance beyond the 1607 01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:34,640 staff report. 1608 01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,030 People need to know how to use waste facilities 1609 01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:37,630 correctly, 1610 01:22:37,630 --> 01:22:40,170 how to identify non-compliance with property 1611 01:22:40,170 --> 01:22:40,710 standards 1612 01:22:40,710 --> 01:22:42,900 and how to report issues to the city. 1613 01:22:42,900 --> 01:22:44,620 For this reason, our committee has produced 1614 01:22:44,620 --> 01:22:48,780 information stickers like these, Service London, 1615 01:22:48,780 --> 01:22:52,060 and this one says help keep wildlife out, 1616 01:22:52,060 --> 01:22:54,290 which helps to alert people to how their behavior 1617 01:22:54,290 --> 01:22:56,610 can influence the risks of pests and buildings, 1618 01:22:56,610 --> 01:22:59,010 and to orient people to the service London portal 1619 01:22:59,010 --> 01:22:59,240 . 1620 01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,630 We think dumpsters in the city should be better 1621 01:23:01,630 --> 01:23:01,760 labeled, 1622 01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,110 or at the very least, municipal compliance 1623 01:23:04,110 --> 01:23:05,830 should be able to install a label 1624 01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:08,580 where a waste container is contravening a by-law. 1625 01:23:08,580 --> 01:23:10,970 Second, if a waste facility like a dumpster is 1626 01:23:10,970 --> 01:23:11,700 deficient, 1627 01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:13,330 say because it's missing a lid, 1628 01:23:13,330 --> 01:23:15,090 or because it's too small to accommodate 1629 01:23:15,090 --> 01:23:17,730 the volume of waste being produced by the users, 1630 01:23:17,730 --> 01:23:19,720 We believe municipal compliance should have the 1631 01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:20,040 option 1632 01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,360 to compel the owner to increase the volume 1633 01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,710 or quantity of their waste containers. 1634 01:23:24,710 --> 01:23:26,450 If it makes sense for an enclosure to be 1635 01:23:26,450 --> 01:23:26,990 installed 1636 01:23:26,990 --> 01:23:28,900 around the waste containers to prevent animals 1637 01:23:28,900 --> 01:23:31,300 from getting in or litter from escaping, 1638 01:23:31,300 --> 01:23:32,980 municipal compliance should have the option 1639 01:23:32,980 --> 01:23:35,570 to compel the owner to install an enclosure. 1640 01:23:35,570 --> 01:23:37,450 It's unclear from reading the draft by-law 1641 01:23:37,450 --> 01:23:39,420 if that mechanism exists. 1642 01:23:39,420 --> 01:23:41,330 Lastly, we suggest the city explore 1643 01:23:41,330 --> 01:23:43,960 discontinuing collection of loose garbage bags 1644 01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:45,760 for curbside pick-ups. - 30 seconds. 1645 01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,790 Other cities like Kitchener Waterlow, Kingston, 1646 01:23:47,790 --> 01:23:50,260 Barrie use waste carts with lids. 1647 01:23:50,260 --> 01:23:52,340 In summary, these three reports share a common 1648 01:23:52,340 --> 01:23:52,850 thread. 1649 01:23:52,850 --> 01:23:54,710 We believe Londoners want to make responsible 1650 01:23:54,710 --> 01:23:56,720 choices and take care of the environment. 1651 01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:58,490 But to do so, they need to be provided with the 1652 01:23:58,490 --> 01:24:00,070 right information in the right places 1653 01:24:00,070 --> 01:24:02,460 at the right times, whether that's at a garden 1654 01:24:02,460 --> 01:24:04,540 center, at their curb, or when depositing 1655 01:24:04,540 --> 01:24:06,130 garbage and waste facility. 1656 01:24:06,130 --> 01:24:07,880 We suggest measures the city could take to 1657 01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:09,840 improve public awareness, reduce risks, and 1658 01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,120 ultimately lower costs to taxpayers. 1659 01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,110 Thank you. 1660 01:24:14,110 --> 01:24:15,820 - Thank you. 1661 01:24:15,820 --> 01:24:18,810 Next, we will deal with the request for 1662 01:24:18,810 --> 01:24:20,020 delegation status. 1663 01:24:20,020 --> 01:24:21,980 So I look for a mover and a seconder, 1664 01:24:21,980 --> 01:24:24,840 Councillor Trossa, Councillor Hopkins, 1665 01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:38,290 and we will open that request. 1666 01:24:38,290 --> 01:24:40,250 - Closing the vote, the motion carries five to 1667 01:24:40,250 --> 01:24:41,310 zero. 1668 01:24:41,310 --> 01:24:44,220 - Thank you, I'll invite Ms. Blake Rose to the 1669 01:24:44,220 --> 01:24:47,420 microphone. 1670 01:24:47,420 --> 01:24:50,740 Welcome, you have five minutes, go ahead. 1671 01:24:50,740 --> 01:24:52,790 - Hi, thank you all for the opportunity to speak 1672 01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:53,210 today. 1673 01:24:53,210 --> 01:24:56,300 My name is Mary Blake Rose, and I live in Ward 7, 1674 01:24:56,300 --> 01:24:57,490 here in London. 1675 01:24:57,490 --> 01:25:00,890 And I am here to offer a non-expert opinion 1676 01:25:00,890 --> 01:25:04,640 on a bit of what Dr. Samuel just talked about. 1677 01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,060 But so I'm here basically as somebody 1678 01:25:07,060 --> 01:25:10,790 who had the opportunity to buy a property 1679 01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:12,140 not quite three years ago. 1680 01:25:12,140 --> 01:25:14,880 And so in those not quite three years, 1681 01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:16,350 I've been doing a lot of learning 1682 01:25:16,350 --> 01:25:19,660 because there's just a lot of information 1683 01:25:19,660 --> 01:25:21,670 that goes with being a property owner. 1684 01:25:21,670 --> 01:25:23,250 And some of the learning I've been doing 1685 01:25:23,250 --> 01:25:26,630 has to do with taking care of the yard 1686 01:25:26,630 --> 01:25:30,390 and planting things and removing things 1687 01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:32,770 that maybe I didn't want planted there. 1688 01:25:32,770 --> 01:25:36,600 And as I think you can see from the letters 1689 01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,860 that have been submitted with regard to 1690 01:25:38,860 --> 01:25:41,470 with the community advisory committee submitted, 1691 01:25:41,470 --> 01:25:45,600 I think that you can see that numerous property 1692 01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:45,990 owners 1693 01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:49,140 also have experience with plants on their 1694 01:25:49,140 --> 01:25:49,570 property 1695 01:25:49,570 --> 01:25:50,870 that maybe they didn't plant 1696 01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:53,960 and that are just there for the foreseeable 1697 01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:55,230 future. 1698 01:25:55,230 --> 01:25:57,930 So in my personal experience, as I said, 1699 01:25:57,930 --> 01:25:59,140 I've been doing a lot of learning, 1700 01:25:59,140 --> 01:26:02,200 and I love that learning process, 1701 01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,460 but there is a lot of information, 1702 01:26:04,460 --> 01:26:07,000 and I think that people have the best of 1703 01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:07,860 intentions, 1704 01:26:07,860 --> 01:26:11,560 but sometimes maybe they purchase a plant 1705 01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,090 and don't really know what it is, 1706 01:26:14,090 --> 01:26:16,400 but it was recommended or it looked nice, 1707 01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,230 and then it creates problems for them, 1708 01:26:19,230 --> 01:26:20,890 or it creates problems for neighbors, 1709 01:26:20,890 --> 01:26:23,250 or it creates problems in an environmentally 1710 01:26:23,250 --> 01:26:24,000 significant area. 1711 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:28,490 And so I wrote in as did numerous other people 1712 01:26:28,490 --> 01:26:31,230 about goutweed or agapodium protograria, 1713 01:26:31,230 --> 01:26:34,600 which is an invasive species that can be found 1714 01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:37,360 in numerous locations in our city. 1715 01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:42,830 And in my case, I believe that my goutweed patch, 1716 01:26:42,830 --> 01:26:45,790 which I share with at least five other neighbors, 1717 01:26:45,790 --> 01:26:48,490 I believe it was, I believe it originates 1718 01:26:48,490 --> 01:26:51,220 from an ornamental patch that had been planted 1719 01:26:51,220 --> 01:26:54,470 numerous years ago, probably by a previous owner 1720 01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:55,420 of a neighbor's property. 1721 01:26:55,420 --> 01:26:58,920 And I don't hold that against that person. 1722 01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:02,740 I think that they planted something 1723 01:27:02,740 --> 01:27:04,800 either because they needed something 1724 01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,380 that would grow under a maple tree 1725 01:27:06,380 --> 01:27:08,250 or they liked the way it looked 1726 01:27:08,250 --> 01:27:09,550 or somebody recommended it. 1727 01:27:09,550 --> 01:27:12,050 You know, people buy plants for many reasons, 1728 01:27:12,050 --> 01:27:15,420 but well, I will have goutweed for the 1729 01:27:15,420 --> 01:27:16,420 foreseeable future 1730 01:27:16,420 --> 01:27:18,940 because as I mentioned under a maple tree, 1731 01:27:18,940 --> 01:27:21,880 I could try digging it out, 1732 01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:23,990 but the roots are mixed up with maple roots. 1733 01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:27,770 So mostly I have the choice between tall goutweed 1734 01:27:27,770 --> 01:27:30,100 or short goutweed under that tree. 1735 01:27:30,100 --> 01:27:31,160 And I can live with that. 1736 01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,650 I can continue to pull and/or weed 1737 01:27:34,650 --> 01:27:37,090 whack the goutweed and keep it at least-- 1738 01:27:37,090 --> 01:27:39,350 at least I can minorly annoy it and try 1739 01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:42,900 to keep it vaguely under control and keep it from 1740 01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:43,180 flowering, 1741 01:27:43,180 --> 01:27:46,770 keep it from spreading more than it already has. 1742 01:27:46,770 --> 01:27:49,950 But there's also-- 1743 01:27:49,950 --> 01:27:53,490 there's people who maybe have English Ivy that's 1744 01:27:53,490 --> 01:27:57,420 taken over their entire yard or that's growing up 1745 01:27:57,420 --> 01:27:58,050 a wall 1746 01:27:58,050 --> 01:28:00,590 or that's destroying a shed they have. 1747 01:28:00,590 --> 01:28:03,540 I think that invasive plant species 1748 01:28:03,540 --> 01:28:06,970 do affect our ability to use our properties, 1749 01:28:06,970 --> 01:28:08,740 in addition to, of course, the fact 1750 01:28:08,740 --> 01:28:12,510 that they create all kinds of problems 1751 01:28:12,510 --> 01:28:14,890 when they get into environmentally significant 1752 01:28:14,890 --> 01:28:15,210 areas. 1753 01:28:15,210 --> 01:28:17,400 And so I think that that education piece 1754 01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:19,660 is really important, because as I said, 1755 01:28:19,660 --> 01:28:22,320 I believe that people have the best of intentions 1756 01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:22,500 , 1757 01:28:22,500 --> 01:28:24,710 but there's just a lot to know in the world, 1758 01:28:24,710 --> 01:28:27,040 and we don't all know everything. 1759 01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:32,050 And so using business licensing to help 1760 01:28:32,050 --> 01:28:34,600 to provide information to people at point of sale 1761 01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:36,470 about a plant they may want to purchase 1762 01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:38,780 or a pet that they may want to purchase, 1763 01:28:38,780 --> 01:28:40,770 I think is a really powerful tool. 1764 01:28:40,770 --> 01:28:43,160 And so I support the recommendations 1765 01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:45,190 of the Community Advisory Committee 1766 01:28:45,190 --> 01:28:47,540 and I support the motion from Councillors, 1767 01:28:47,540 --> 01:28:48,770 Troso and Ferrera. 1768 01:28:48,770 --> 01:28:51,890 And thank you all for your time. 1769 01:28:51,890 --> 01:28:54,390 - Thank you. 1770 01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:57,720 Okay, that takes us back to the motion 1771 01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:01,400 from Councillors Troso and Ferreira, 1772 01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:05,810 who would like to introduce the motion. 1773 01:29:05,810 --> 01:29:07,580 Councillor Troso, go ahead. 1774 01:29:07,580 --> 01:29:09,270 - Yes, thank you very much and through the chair, 1775 01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:12,730 I wanna start by thanking the advisory committee. 1776 01:29:12,730 --> 01:29:15,900 It was a very thorough, well-researched, 1777 01:29:15,900 --> 01:29:18,090 evidence-based report. 1778 01:29:18,090 --> 01:29:19,910 I'm happy to accept it. 1779 01:29:19,910 --> 01:29:23,700 And I'm really pleased that from what I'm hearing 1780 01:29:23,700 --> 01:29:23,800 , 1781 01:29:23,700 --> 01:29:27,250 you were working closely with staff on this. 1782 01:29:27,250 --> 01:29:31,130 I'm not hearing any significant pushback on this. 1783 01:29:31,130 --> 01:29:37,540 And while there are more 1784 01:29:37,540 --> 01:29:41,930 onerous regulatory approaches that could be taken 1785 01:29:41,930 --> 01:29:42,030 , 1786 01:29:41,930 --> 01:29:44,960 I think that that would raise some legal issues. 1787 01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,560 I would look at the what the town of Halton Hills 1788 01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:47,680 . 1789 01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:49,500 - Sorry, Councillor, do you wanna introduce your 1790 01:29:49,500 --> 01:29:49,810 motion 1791 01:29:49,810 --> 01:29:53,510 and then you can speak to it? 1792 01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:55,550 - That's a good idea, thank you. 1793 01:29:55,550 --> 01:30:00,610 Yes, so this was submitted in the, 1794 01:30:01,790 --> 01:30:05,200 This is in your added agenda packet, 1795 01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:08,720 and it is at page 287. 1796 01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,700 And I just want to, I'm not gonna read the whole 1797 01:30:11,700 --> 01:30:11,930 thing 1798 01:30:11,930 --> 01:30:15,000 because this text is largely taken 1799 01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,190 from the material in the report. 1800 01:30:18,190 --> 01:30:20,100 - Okay, so you're asking for the motion. 1801 01:30:20,100 --> 01:30:21,650 - So you're putting your motion on the floor? 1802 01:30:21,650 --> 01:30:22,670 - Yes. - Thank you. 1803 01:30:22,670 --> 01:30:23,560 And I will look-- - That civic 1804 01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:26,540 administration be directed at what's in bold 1805 01:30:26,540 --> 01:30:26,750 there. 1806 01:30:26,750 --> 01:30:28,070 - Wonderful. - Yes. 1807 01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:28,900 - Thank you. 1808 01:30:28,900 --> 01:30:30,850 And I have a seconder in Councilor Farira, thank 1809 01:30:30,850 --> 01:30:31,050 you. 1810 01:30:31,050 --> 01:30:32,810 and Councillor Trost, I would like to speak to 1811 01:30:32,810 --> 01:30:35,410 your motion. 1812 01:30:35,410 --> 01:30:39,340 - I think I'm going to let the report 1813 01:30:39,340 --> 01:30:42,570 and the recitals in the pre-emble in my motion 1814 01:30:42,570 --> 01:30:43,920 speak for itself. 1815 01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,860 I'd be very happy to take any questions 1816 01:30:46,860 --> 01:30:49,840 or try to deal with any concerns that people have 1817 01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:49,940 . 1818 01:30:49,850 --> 01:30:53,270 I want to, first of all, clarify once again 1819 01:30:53,270 --> 01:30:56,830 that this is something that Steph would find do 1820 01:30:56,830 --> 01:30:57,500 able 1821 01:30:57,500 --> 01:31:01,110 and acceptable within the timeframe. 1822 01:31:01,110 --> 01:31:03,590 Actually, let me just clear that up with staff 1823 01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:08,300 first. 1824 01:31:08,300 --> 01:31:15,610 - Thank you, I'll go to Ms. Pepper. 1825 01:31:15,610 --> 01:31:17,410 - Thank you, and through you, 1826 01:31:17,410 --> 01:31:19,630 I would just like to seek some clarification 1827 01:31:19,630 --> 01:31:21,070 on the timeline, actually. 1828 01:31:21,070 --> 01:31:26,900 I didn't see the timeline. 1829 01:31:26,900 --> 01:31:29,030 - I think through the chair, 1830 01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:32,040 as in many other requests for a staff report back 1831 01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:32,140 , 1832 01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:36,320 by not putting a timeframe in, 1833 01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:40,970 my intention was to defer that to you. 1834 01:31:40,970 --> 01:31:44,890 This committee gives you an exceptionally heavy 1835 01:31:44,890 --> 01:31:45,750 workload, 1836 01:31:45,750 --> 01:31:49,010 My preference would be as soon as possible. 1837 01:31:49,010 --> 01:31:51,960 If you'd like me to say next meeting, I'll say 1838 01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:52,060 that. 1839 01:31:52,050 --> 01:31:54,640 But I know that how much time do you think you 1840 01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:54,850 need 1841 01:31:54,850 --> 01:32:08,530 on this realistically? 1842 01:32:08,530 --> 01:32:10,440 - Thank you, I've got to Ms. Tepper. 1843 01:32:10,440 --> 01:32:12,910 - Thank you and through you. 1844 01:32:12,910 --> 01:32:15,500 Just in the context of the other work that we 1845 01:32:15,500 --> 01:32:16,050 currently have, 1846 01:32:16,050 --> 01:32:19,020 I'd really like to take some time to look at this 1847 01:32:19,020 --> 01:32:19,460 properly 1848 01:32:19,460 --> 01:32:22,430 and have it ready to go for the next growing 1849 01:32:22,430 --> 01:32:22,600 season. 1850 01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:25,740 So ideally speaking, that would align with early 1851 01:32:25,740 --> 01:32:28,710 2027. 1852 01:32:28,710 --> 01:32:30,100 - Councillor Trossa. 1853 01:32:30,100 --> 01:32:32,260 That is fine with me. 1854 01:32:32,260 --> 01:32:33,870 I would ask the seconder. 1855 01:32:33,870 --> 01:32:36,990 And I think that the proponents of this 1856 01:32:36,990 --> 01:32:40,520 at the advisory committee are really looking 1857 01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:42,200 towards how we're gonna deal with this prospect 1858 01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:42,590 ively. 1859 01:32:42,590 --> 01:32:46,920 So the next growing season would be perfect. 1860 01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:48,120 Thank you. 1861 01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:51,060 Do you need something in the motion to clarify 1862 01:32:51,060 --> 01:32:51,160 that? 1863 01:32:51,110 --> 01:33:07,270 Or can we just sort of leave that with you? 1864 01:33:07,270 --> 01:33:13,810 - Thank you, I'm Ms. Pfeffer. 1865 01:33:13,810 --> 01:33:14,870 - Through you, Chair. 1866 01:33:14,870 --> 01:33:15,770 Could you please repeat that? 1867 01:33:15,770 --> 01:33:18,120 Or could you have him please repeat that question 1868 01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:20,250 ? 1869 01:33:20,250 --> 01:33:23,660 - Councillor Joceau, do you wanna clarify? 1870 01:33:23,660 --> 01:33:28,050 - Yes, would you like an amendment to the motion 1871 01:33:28,050 --> 01:33:33,600 or can we leave what you just said with you? 1872 01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:36,030 - Ms. Pfeffer, thank you and through you. 1873 01:33:36,030 --> 01:33:37,620 There's no need for an amendment in relation to 1874 01:33:37,620 --> 01:33:39,250 the timeline. 1875 01:33:39,250 --> 01:33:41,020 - Okay, thank you, Councillor Joceau. 1876 01:33:41,020 --> 01:33:43,950 - Okay, well, I'll yield to other Councillors for 1877 01:33:43,950 --> 01:33:46,090 now. 1878 01:33:46,090 --> 01:33:47,780 - Thank you, I'll go to Councillor Ferra. 1879 01:33:47,780 --> 01:33:49,230 - Thanks, Chair. 1880 01:33:49,230 --> 01:33:51,600 Thanks to Councillor Joceau for moving this 1881 01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:51,810 motion. 1882 01:33:51,810 --> 01:33:53,160 I'm happy to second it. 1883 01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:55,620 I just wanted to say to the report 1884 01:33:55,620 --> 01:33:57,660 the environmental stewardship and action advisory 1885 01:33:57,660 --> 01:34:00,550 committee. I thought it was very thorough. It was 1886 01:34:00,550 --> 01:34:03,020 very, very well written and I want to say a 1887 01:34:03,020 --> 01:34:05,390 special thank you to Dr. Samuels. You're very 1888 01:34:05,390 --> 01:34:08,490 engaged. One of the most engaged Londoners is 1889 01:34:08,490 --> 01:34:11,600 that I know and you are here quite often and you 1890 01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:11,830 are 1891 01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:13,820 informing us and educating us quite often and I 1892 01:34:13,820 --> 01:34:15,820 think the work that you do is amazing also to 1893 01:34:15,820 --> 01:34:18,800 the delegate Ms. Blake Rose. Thank you for coming 1894 01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,720 out and telling us your experience and I agree 1895 01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:23,470 exactly with everything that you're saying. 1896 01:34:23,470 --> 01:34:26,180 People have the best intentions but they may 1897 01:34:26,180 --> 01:34:29,210 not necessarily know what it is that they're 1898 01:34:29,210 --> 01:34:32,640 buying. For myself as a homeowner, I have English 1899 01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:35,620 Ivy all over the yard and it was growing up the 1900 01:34:35,620 --> 01:34:39,120 house and doing a lot of things to the yard and 1901 01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:42,050 it's probably something that is going to forever 1902 01:34:42,050 --> 01:34:44,670 be there. I just know that combating something 1903 01:34:44,670 --> 01:34:44,830 like 1904 01:34:44,830 --> 01:34:47,440 like that is going to be a difficult thing. 1905 01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:51,290 And that speaks to the whole, I guess, intent of 1906 01:34:51,290 --> 01:34:51,910 the report 1907 01:34:51,910 --> 01:34:53,780 and the motion that Councilor Trussell and I have 1908 01:34:53,780 --> 01:34:54,140 brought. 1909 01:34:54,140 --> 01:34:56,740 And that is really, it's about prevention. 1910 01:34:56,740 --> 01:34:59,770 Prevention is the most effective solution. 1911 01:34:59,770 --> 01:35:01,680 It's the most effective solution environmentally 1912 01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:02,050 speaking 1913 01:35:02,050 --> 01:35:05,680 and cost effectively speaking as well. 1914 01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,530 Once an invasive species spreads, 1915 01:35:08,530 --> 01:35:12,060 management is exponentially more expensive 1916 01:35:12,060 --> 01:35:13,980 than that preventative measure. 1917 01:35:13,980 --> 01:35:16,960 So I think just the recommendation coming in the 1918 01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:17,330 report 1919 01:35:17,330 --> 01:35:19,800 and the motion that we're moving here today 1920 01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,120 when it comes to requiring the business license 1921 01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:24,510 and I really appreciate how there's a potential 1922 01:35:24,510 --> 01:35:24,790 cost 1923 01:35:24,790 --> 01:35:27,330 recovery framework that can be embedded here, 1924 01:35:27,330 --> 01:35:29,560 but also providing that education for individuals 1925 01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:33,020 who are buying somewhat invasive species, 1926 01:35:33,020 --> 01:35:35,340 whether it's a plant or an animal, 1927 01:35:35,340 --> 01:35:37,810 to have that information provided alongside that, 1928 01:35:37,810 --> 01:35:41,270 I think is a really good step forward 1929 01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:42,530 and it's a really good move. 1930 01:35:42,530 --> 01:35:45,920 So I like how we're focusing on the preventative 1931 01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:46,100 side 1932 01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:47,050 and not being reactive. 1933 01:35:47,050 --> 01:35:48,340 That's something that I'm always trying to push 1934 01:35:48,340 --> 01:35:48,570 here 1935 01:35:48,570 --> 01:35:50,920 at council being preventative, being proactive 1936 01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:52,230 rather than reactive. 1937 01:35:52,230 --> 01:35:55,240 So I'm hoping that we can get support from 1938 01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:56,650 committee 1939 01:35:56,650 --> 01:35:57,950 and from council moving forward. 1940 01:35:57,950 --> 01:35:59,810 And I think this is a really good approach. 1941 01:35:59,810 --> 01:36:02,160 I'd like to see more preventative proactive 1942 01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:02,490 approaches 1943 01:36:02,490 --> 01:36:05,500 for other items too, but I will yield to 1944 01:36:05,500 --> 01:36:06,060 committee 1945 01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:09,040 and see what committee has to say. 1946 01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:10,780 But I appreciate the work, so thank you very much 1947 01:36:10,780 --> 01:36:12,470 . 1948 01:36:12,470 --> 01:36:13,660 - Thank you. 1949 01:36:13,660 --> 01:36:15,150 have Councilor Hopkins next, 1950 01:36:15,150 --> 01:36:16,940 and then I will turn the chair over to Councilor 1951 01:36:16,940 --> 01:36:18,480 Pervall. 1952 01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:20,310 - Thank you, Madam Chair. 1953 01:36:20,310 --> 01:36:24,910 And I'd like to address the advisory group. 1954 01:36:24,910 --> 01:36:27,880 Dr. Samuels, thank you so much for being here 1955 01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:28,090 with us. 1956 01:36:28,090 --> 01:36:31,950 And thanks for the advisory group's work 1957 01:36:31,950 --> 01:36:35,280 on three main areas, the blue box, 1958 01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:40,940 the recommendations on how we can do a better job 1959 01:36:40,940 --> 01:36:42,920 educating the community, 1960 01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:46,570 and as well as rat infestation. 1961 01:36:46,570 --> 01:36:49,100 Speaking to the invasive species though, 1962 01:36:49,100 --> 01:36:53,720 thanks again for the suggestions in your report. 1963 01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:56,110 On the motion, it is a report back. 1964 01:36:56,110 --> 01:36:58,660 I'm glad to see that there are no timelines on 1965 01:36:58,660 --> 01:36:59,330 this one. 1966 01:36:59,330 --> 01:37:02,440 I think we have to kind of get it right a little 1967 01:37:02,440 --> 01:37:02,780 bit 1968 01:37:02,780 --> 01:37:06,950 and allow staff to get the information that we 1969 01:37:06,950 --> 01:37:07,750 need. 1970 01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:12,000 I do think it is an issue, 1971 01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:16,480 not only prevention like Councillor Ferreira 1972 01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:17,180 spoke to, 1973 01:37:17,180 --> 01:37:20,830 but I think again, it's that education piece. 1974 01:37:20,830 --> 01:37:24,340 Good friend of mine gave me beautiful plant 15 1975 01:37:24,340 --> 01:37:25,130 years ago 1976 01:37:25,130 --> 01:37:29,640 and I am still tackling that plant in my yard. 1977 01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:31,550 It hasn't interfered in our friendship, 1978 01:37:31,550 --> 01:37:33,710 but there have been moments. 1979 01:37:33,710 --> 01:37:38,110 But again, it reminded me she didn't know, 1980 01:37:38,110 --> 01:37:41,770 I didn't know and how do you get rid of. 1981 01:37:41,770 --> 01:37:44,710 Some plants are very, very difficult to get rid 1982 01:37:44,710 --> 01:37:45,070 of. 1983 01:37:45,070 --> 01:37:49,210 I see a lot of dumping in our parks and in our ES 1984 01:37:49,210 --> 01:37:49,940 As. 1985 01:37:49,940 --> 01:37:53,230 In our conservation areas, people want to get rid 1986 01:37:53,230 --> 01:37:56,660 of these plants and dumping is a really great way 1987 01:37:56,660 --> 01:37:59,240 to get rid of it, but guess what? 1988 01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:01,180 It starts to grow. 1989 01:38:01,180 --> 01:38:06,210 And it's an issue that we should try to tackle, 1990 01:38:06,210 --> 01:38:06,810 educate, 1991 01:38:06,810 --> 01:38:09,780 and understand and maybe this through the 1992 01:38:09,780 --> 01:38:11,020 licensing, 1993 01:38:11,020 --> 01:38:13,200 it is an opportunity to do that. 1994 01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:17,930 So for now, I am supported of it going through. 1995 01:38:17,930 --> 01:38:22,780 And I think as a city, we should be at least 1996 01:38:22,780 --> 01:38:25,350 trying to do a better job and looking 1997 01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:26,850 at what other cities are doing. 1998 01:38:26,850 --> 01:38:30,960 So thanks again for having this conversation 1999 01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:34,670 here at committee. 2000 01:38:34,670 --> 01:38:35,480 - Thank you. 2001 01:38:35,480 --> 01:38:36,290 - Thank you. 2002 01:38:36,290 --> 01:38:37,100 - Thank you, I was here in the chair 2003 01:38:37,100 --> 01:38:39,350 to Councilor Pervall. 2004 01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:42,270 and I recognize council around. 2005 01:38:42,270 --> 01:38:43,300 - Thank you and through you. 2006 01:38:43,300 --> 01:38:46,720 So I wanna thank the committee for the report as 2007 01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:47,100 well. 2008 01:38:47,100 --> 01:38:50,060 Very helpful to have so much background on this 2009 01:38:50,060 --> 01:38:50,420 item. 2010 01:38:50,420 --> 01:38:53,890 And in looking at the report, 2011 01:38:53,890 --> 01:38:57,110 I saw lots of examples for the native species 2012 01:38:57,110 --> 01:38:59,380 conversation around plants. 2013 01:38:59,380 --> 01:39:00,500 But I'm just wondering, 2014 01:39:00,500 --> 01:39:01,930 or sorry, invasive species, sorry, 2015 01:39:01,930 --> 01:39:03,520 conversation around plants. 2016 01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:07,020 But I didn't see as much around animals and pet 2017 01:39:07,020 --> 01:39:07,900 shops. 2018 01:39:07,900 --> 01:39:10,310 I see some references to goldfish, 2019 01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:14,260 but I'm just wondering how that is determined, 2020 01:39:14,260 --> 01:39:19,180 what's an invasive species for a pet? 2021 01:39:19,180 --> 01:39:23,640 And is that determined province-wide? 2022 01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:26,040 Is it something where there might be some? 2023 01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:29,330 For instance, determination locally. 2024 01:39:29,330 --> 01:39:31,830 We're talking about rats at the same meeting. 2025 01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:34,140 Some people keep rats as pets. 2026 01:39:34,140 --> 01:39:36,640 Are they considered an invasive species on the 2027 01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:38,060 pet side? 2028 01:39:38,060 --> 01:39:40,060 I'm just wondering if somebody can clarify with 2029 01:39:40,060 --> 01:39:40,340 me 2030 01:39:40,340 --> 01:39:41,280 other than goldfish. 2031 01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:44,870 What other pets are we talking about? 2032 01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:46,380 - Thank you and going to the staff for their 2033 01:39:46,380 --> 01:39:51,870 feedback. 2034 01:39:51,870 --> 01:39:53,270 - Thank you and through you. 2035 01:39:53,270 --> 01:39:55,060 We would certainly have to collaborate 2036 01:39:55,060 --> 01:39:56,590 with community partners, 2037 01:39:56,590 --> 01:40:02,120 ESACAC in particular, to determine what should 2038 01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:04,700 and could be classified as an invasive species 2039 01:40:04,700 --> 01:40:06,090 in terms of an animal. 2040 01:40:06,090 --> 01:40:08,800 That would all be subject to commentary 2041 01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:10,110 in the follow-up report, 2042 01:40:10,110 --> 01:40:11,620 but I don't have that information right now. 2043 01:40:11,620 --> 01:40:13,990 And I couldn't give you a list of what would be 2044 01:40:13,990 --> 01:40:14,240 considered 2045 01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:18,830 to be an invasive species in terms of an animal. 2046 01:40:18,830 --> 01:40:20,660 - Thank you, Councillor. 2047 01:40:20,660 --> 01:40:23,020 - Thank you, yeah, in the report from the 2048 01:40:23,020 --> 01:40:23,380 committee, 2049 01:40:23,380 --> 01:40:26,730 I only see reference to 2023 discussions on gold 2050 01:40:26,730 --> 01:40:27,650 fish. 2051 01:40:27,650 --> 01:40:31,610 So at this time, I'm not sure how 2052 01:40:31,610 --> 01:40:34,090 and what we would get back in the report back 2053 01:40:34,090 --> 01:40:36,370 on animal species. 2054 01:40:36,370 --> 01:40:40,680 My question would be because the motion directs 2055 01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:44,550 that a by-law come back and a report back. 2056 01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:48,950 So I'm just not wanting to catch folks off guard 2057 01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:50,380 because we're having a discussion 2058 01:40:50,380 --> 01:40:52,560 mostly about invasive plants, 2059 01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:55,610 but yet at the same time it includes plants and 2060 01:40:55,610 --> 01:40:55,710 animals 2061 01:40:55,700 --> 01:40:57,790 that could come back in a by-law. 2062 01:40:57,790 --> 01:40:59,700 So I'm just wondering what would be kind of the 2063 01:40:59,700 --> 01:41:00,170 staging. 2064 01:41:00,170 --> 01:41:02,540 I know we'd still have a public participation 2065 01:41:02,540 --> 01:41:02,750 meeting 2066 01:41:02,750 --> 01:41:04,370 when it, as it relates to this, 2067 01:41:04,370 --> 01:41:07,820 but folks may not realize that we're also talking 2068 01:41:07,820 --> 01:41:09,630 about invasive species that have to do 2069 01:41:09,630 --> 01:41:12,770 with things like goldfish. 2070 01:41:12,770 --> 01:41:19,840 - Thinking, going through stuff? 2071 01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:22,880 - Yes, that's a, sorry, through you, that is a 2072 01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:23,240 concern. 2073 01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:26,900 We would definitely have to look at what approach 2074 01:41:26,900 --> 01:41:28,760 we're going to take in terms of whether we're 2075 01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:29,280 focusing 2076 01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:31,300 only on invasive species of plants or whether we 2077 01:41:31,300 --> 01:41:31,610 're going 2078 01:41:31,610 --> 01:41:35,560 to look at invasive species in relation to pets. 2079 01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:37,360 That would be something that our policy team 2080 01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:41,100 would have to sit down and really parse out. 2081 01:41:41,100 --> 01:41:43,000 - Thank you, Councillor. 2082 01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:45,030 - Thank you, and through you, and also 2083 01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:48,660 with the invasive species that has to do with 2084 01:41:48,660 --> 01:41:49,210 plants, 2085 01:41:49,210 --> 01:41:51,880 those could be sold at pet stores as well, right? 2086 01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:55,560 like anything to do with the aquarium or 2087 01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:56,010 something 2088 01:41:56,010 --> 01:41:57,760 of that sort. 2089 01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:01,850 So how comprehensive of a list and outside of, 2090 01:42:01,850 --> 01:42:04,820 let's say, our environmental stewardship 2091 01:42:04,820 --> 01:42:04,990 committee, 2092 01:42:04,990 --> 01:42:08,920 where else would you go to get that information? 2093 01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:11,550 - Going to the staff, please go ahead. 2094 01:42:11,550 --> 01:42:12,770 - Thank you and through you. 2095 01:42:12,770 --> 01:42:15,570 So we would look to our internal partners as well 2096 01:42:15,570 --> 01:42:20,370 in Parks and Forestry, natural heritage staff, 2097 01:42:20,370 --> 01:42:23,380 the Upper Thames Conservation Authority as well. 2098 01:42:23,380 --> 01:42:24,920 And then, of course, there are existing 2099 01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:25,240 provincial 2100 01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:27,380 and federal lists that we would have to reference 2101 01:42:27,380 --> 01:42:29,330 as well. 2102 01:42:29,330 --> 01:42:31,620 - Thank you, Councillor. 2103 01:42:31,620 --> 01:42:32,460 - Thank you and through you. 2104 01:42:32,460 --> 01:42:34,500 So that tends to be like a taller order. 2105 01:42:34,500 --> 01:42:36,930 And I know that that's probably a lot more work. 2106 01:42:36,930 --> 01:42:40,850 I understand we're not giving a timeline. 2107 01:42:40,850 --> 01:42:43,230 I just don't want staff to feel that they have to 2108 01:42:43,230 --> 01:42:43,560 come back 2109 01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:46,540 with a tight timeline with so many different 2110 01:42:46,540 --> 01:42:46,710 sources 2111 01:42:46,710 --> 01:42:48,550 to connect with. 2112 01:42:48,550 --> 01:42:50,150 Really thankful for the report. 2113 01:42:50,150 --> 01:42:53,640 I'd be more inclined to support the invasive 2114 01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:54,380 plant species 2115 01:42:54,380 --> 01:42:56,760 this time and separate the two in the by-law 2116 01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:58,930 discussion just so that we could get more clarity 2117 01:42:58,930 --> 01:43:02,120 around the animal species first so that I can 2118 01:43:02,120 --> 01:43:05,240 better understand what we're looking at. 2119 01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:09,090 I see the list for Ontario for pets that are 2120 01:43:09,090 --> 01:43:13,540 considered invasive species but I'm not sure 2121 01:43:13,540 --> 01:43:16,520 because it's not all reference there what we're 2122 01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:19,370 talking about so that's just my thoughts on it 2123 01:43:19,370 --> 01:43:23,050 at this time. 2124 01:43:23,050 --> 01:43:24,030 Thank you. 2125 01:43:24,030 --> 01:43:25,010 I didn't hear any questions. 2126 01:43:25,010 --> 01:43:26,000 I think those were comments. 2127 01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:28,940 So thank you and returning the chair back to you. 2128 01:43:28,940 --> 01:43:29,920 Thank you. 2129 01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:30,900 I have the chair. 2130 01:43:30,900 --> 01:43:32,860 And I saw a couple of hands go up. 2131 01:43:32,860 --> 01:43:35,380 So Councillor Trostle, did you have your hand up? 2132 01:43:35,380 --> 01:43:36,360 Sorry. 2133 01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:38,050 And then I have Councillor Ferreira and then I 2134 01:43:38,050 --> 01:43:48,600 have Deputy Mayor Lewis as well. 2135 01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:49,720 Thank you. 2136 01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:50,730 You're welcome. 2137 01:43:50,730 --> 01:43:53,700 I think I'll just, for the only thing I would say 2138 01:43:53,700 --> 01:43:56,780 with respect to your comments is, I just 2139 01:43:56,780 --> 01:43:58,340 want to leave it with staff to write the report 2140 01:43:58,340 --> 01:43:59,290 that they want to write. 2141 01:43:59,290 --> 01:44:00,960 If they want to write a report saying that this 2142 01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:01,800 opens up, 2143 01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:04,190 whole another series of issues that's 2144 01:44:04,190 --> 01:44:06,380 going to delay our report on the plans, 2145 01:44:06,380 --> 01:44:08,330 I'd be very happy to get them back. 2146 01:44:08,330 --> 01:44:10,920 But I'd like to at least give them the chance 2147 01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:13,290 to talk about that from the literature that I've 2148 01:44:13,290 --> 01:44:13,620 looked at 2149 01:44:13,620 --> 01:44:15,730 and from what I take it to report. 2150 01:44:15,730 --> 01:44:18,410 Really, it's the goldfish that are the problem. 2151 01:44:18,410 --> 01:44:20,180 I'm not sure how much research that's going to 2152 01:44:20,180 --> 01:44:20,590 take. 2153 01:44:20,590 --> 01:44:23,130 I don't want to hold this up, but I will-- 2154 01:44:23,130 --> 01:44:25,390 I would prefer to just leave it with staff 2155 01:44:25,390 --> 01:44:27,410 to tell us what they think about whether this is 2156 01:44:27,410 --> 01:44:27,810 too much 2157 01:44:27,810 --> 01:44:31,580 scope for one report. 2158 01:44:31,580 --> 01:44:32,390 - Thank you. 2159 01:44:32,390 --> 01:44:33,440 I'll go to Council for our next 2160 01:44:33,440 --> 01:44:35,170 and then I have Deputy Mayor Lewis. 2161 01:44:35,170 --> 01:44:36,280 - Thank you, Chair. 2162 01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:38,070 Just to maybe try to answer some of your 2163 01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:38,430 questions, 2164 01:44:38,430 --> 01:44:41,370 like I do understand, I do see that the report 2165 01:44:41,370 --> 01:44:44,660 is referring to the red eared slider turtles. 2166 01:44:44,660 --> 01:44:46,370 And those are the two kind of main ones 2167 01:44:46,370 --> 01:44:47,680 between the goldfish and those. 2168 01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:49,720 And I would also point out, 2169 01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:53,580 in addition to the Ontario's invasive species 2170 01:44:53,580 --> 01:44:54,270 lists, 2171 01:44:54,270 --> 01:44:55,940 the Upper Thames Conservation Authority 2172 01:44:55,940 --> 01:44:58,890 has a very comprehensive list of animal species 2173 01:44:58,890 --> 01:44:59,190 as well. 2174 01:44:59,190 --> 01:45:01,090 so that work wouldn't be starting from scratch. 2175 01:45:01,090 --> 01:45:04,000 Staff would be able to go to those lists 2176 01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:05,030 that have already been published 2177 01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:08,330 and the upper times conservation lists 2178 01:45:08,330 --> 01:45:14,030 are directly related to this report. 2179 01:45:14,030 --> 01:45:15,430 - Thank you. 2180 01:45:15,430 --> 01:45:19,870 I will go to Deputy Mayor Lewis, go ahead. 2181 01:45:19,870 --> 01:45:21,530 - Thank you, Madam Chair. 2182 01:45:21,530 --> 01:45:23,820 I will say that I certainly, 2183 01:45:23,820 --> 01:45:26,430 especially on the invasive species plants, 2184 01:45:26,430 --> 01:45:29,910 very supportive of where it looks like 2185 01:45:29,910 --> 01:45:32,010 we might be going on this. 2186 01:45:32,010 --> 01:45:34,080 I know others have shared their stories 2187 01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:36,330 For me, it's Perry Winkel. 2188 01:45:36,330 --> 01:45:38,670 I have been pulling that stuff out of the ground 2189 01:45:38,670 --> 01:45:40,770 at my house since the day I moved in. 2190 01:45:40,770 --> 01:45:41,910 Very difficult to manage. 2191 01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:43,870 And I think having some educational material. 2192 01:45:43,870 --> 01:45:47,280 And I think that responsible greenhouses 2193 01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:50,560 and plant sellers would be more than open 2194 01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:52,400 to having information available to people as well 2195 01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:52,580 . 2196 01:45:52,580 --> 01:45:55,730 So supportive of that, I do share the chair's 2197 01:45:55,730 --> 01:45:56,130 concern 2198 01:45:56,130 --> 01:45:58,890 a little bit about perhaps separating the two. 2199 01:45:58,890 --> 01:46:01,760 Although I hear Councilor Trussow and Councilor 2200 01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:02,040 Ferreira's 2201 01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:04,100 comments about the fact that there are some 2202 01:46:04,100 --> 01:46:04,600 information 2203 01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:07,180 out there, staff wouldn't be starting from 2204 01:46:07,180 --> 01:46:07,420 scratch. 2205 01:46:07,420 --> 01:46:11,570 So I will say I'm sort of with Councillor Truss, 2206 01:46:11,570 --> 01:46:11,930 I want, 2207 01:46:11,930 --> 01:46:15,160 I'm okay if staff want to say do a report A 2208 01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:18,480 and then a report B later and separate the two. 2209 01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:20,230 I do think it's a lot for one report, 2210 01:46:20,230 --> 01:46:22,560 but I'm flexible on this. 2211 01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:25,000 I do, I'm very supportive of the native species 2212 01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:28,190 or the invasive species of plants being, you know 2213 01:46:28,190 --> 01:46:28,290 , 2214 01:46:28,190 --> 01:46:29,400 better informed for the public 2215 01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:31,780 and trying to restrict people putting those out 2216 01:46:31,780 --> 01:46:36,330 'cause a tremendous frustrations. 2217 01:46:36,330 --> 01:46:39,700 I will also say, coming out of the advisory 2218 01:46:39,700 --> 01:46:42,270 committee's report, 2219 01:46:42,270 --> 01:46:45,180 I'm very supportive of well as well about the 2220 01:46:45,180 --> 01:46:45,350 idea 2221 01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:49,000 of requiring garbage that's going to the curb 2222 01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:50,820 to be in containers. 2223 01:46:50,820 --> 01:46:54,780 I think that that is part of our issue right now. 2224 01:46:54,780 --> 01:46:56,600 The Councilor McAllister has raised with rats, 2225 01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:59,450 but I think there's other problem animals, 2226 01:46:59,450 --> 01:47:02,680 skunks and raccoons among them that are attracted 2227 01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:05,610 to garbage is put out in just a plastic bag for 2228 01:47:05,610 --> 01:47:06,920 collection. 2229 01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:09,440 I know other municipalities do have requirements 2230 01:47:09,440 --> 01:47:12,060 that actually say you have to put it out in the 2231 01:47:12,060 --> 01:47:12,260 container. 2232 01:47:12,260 --> 01:47:14,510 We don't accept loose bags. 2233 01:47:14,510 --> 01:47:17,750 So I appreciate the advisory committee raising 2234 01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:17,950 that. 2235 01:47:17,950 --> 01:47:19,760 And I think that works a further discussion from 2236 01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:24,970 us as well. 2237 01:47:24,970 --> 01:47:26,350 - Thank you. 2238 01:47:26,350 --> 01:47:28,010 I didn't hear any questions, so just comments. 2239 01:47:28,010 --> 01:47:34,960 So I will look for other speakers on this item. 2240 01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:37,140 Okay, seeing no other speakers, 2241 01:47:37,140 --> 01:47:39,080 what's in front of us right now 2242 01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:43,880 is the motion from Councillor Shossow 2243 01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:48,030 and Councillor Ferrera, as well as the above-not 2244 01:47:48,030 --> 01:47:48,930 ed report 2245 01:47:48,930 --> 01:47:52,370 be received, and then it includes all the 2246 01:47:52,370 --> 01:47:53,480 communication 2247 01:47:53,480 --> 01:47:56,100 that we received on this item as well. 2248 01:47:56,100 --> 01:48:02,390 Okay, Councillor Troso. 2249 01:48:02,390 --> 01:48:05,340 - That's what's on page 288 with the addition 2250 01:48:05,340 --> 01:48:07,630 of the being noted in the list, 2251 01:48:07,630 --> 01:48:09,220 'cause I can't see the report. 2252 01:48:09,220 --> 01:48:11,460 - Yeah, and receiving that report, yeah. 2253 01:48:11,460 --> 01:48:24,640 Okay, with that, I will open the vote. 2254 01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:27,450 closing the vote, the motion carries five to zero 2255 01:48:27,450 --> 01:48:28,720 . 2256 01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:29,560 - Thank you. 2257 01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:33,100 We will move back to item 2.7. 2258 01:48:33,100 --> 01:48:34,880 That was from our consent agenda. 2259 01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:39,500 That is the award of the NRFP 2025 2260 01:48:39,500 --> 01:48:42,240 to 48 municipal lands for affordable housing 2261 01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:46,600 at 1958 Duluth Crescent, block six. 2262 01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:49,920 So I had a request to pull this item. 2263 01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:52,280 I don't know if I have a mover and seconder on 2264 01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:52,600 this item 2265 01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:54,080 to begin with. 2266 01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,980 I have Councilor Ferreira to move it. 2267 01:48:55,980 --> 01:48:56,810 Do I have a seconder? 2268 01:48:56,810 --> 01:48:58,190 Councilor Hopkins. 2269 01:48:58,190 --> 01:49:00,010 Okay, with that, we'll begin discussion 2270 01:49:00,010 --> 01:49:03,370 and I will go to Councilor Perbal. 2271 01:49:03,370 --> 01:49:05,760 - Thank you, Chair, and thank you for my 2272 01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:06,160 colleagues 2273 01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:09,070 to bring this, or to supporting this on the floor 2274 01:49:09,070 --> 01:49:09,170 . 2275 01:49:09,070 --> 01:49:13,580 I did wanna place this out because the clause C 2276 01:49:13,580 --> 01:49:15,610 which states be directed to work with the 2277 01:49:15,610 --> 01:49:16,330 proponent 2278 01:49:16,330 --> 01:49:19,300 to submit necessary planning act application to 2279 01:49:19,300 --> 01:49:19,550 support 2280 01:49:19,550 --> 01:49:22,020 an increase in density from 71, 2281 01:49:22,020 --> 01:49:25,940 to 107 units per hectare, I will not be 2282 01:49:25,940 --> 01:49:26,850 supporting. 2283 01:49:26,850 --> 01:49:29,760 And what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna give now, 2284 01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,740 if you can please go to the Deputy Mayor, Luis, 2285 01:49:32,740 --> 01:49:34,080 please. 2286 01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:34,870 - Thank you. 2287 01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:37,540 And I have Deputy Mayor, Luis, next, go ahead. 2288 01:49:37,540 --> 01:49:38,890 - Thank you, Madam Chair. 2289 01:49:38,890 --> 01:49:42,000 So I appreciate Councilor Pribble pulling this. 2290 01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:43,920 I do have a real concern with Clause C 2291 01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:47,790 and the applicant seeking increased density here. 2292 01:49:47,790 --> 01:49:50,510 As it is, they're proposing moving the height, 2293 01:49:50,510 --> 01:49:52,860 the apartment building from three stories to four 2294 01:49:52,860 --> 01:49:53,460 stories. 2295 01:49:53,460 --> 01:49:56,420 I understand from staff that 12 meters still sits 2296 01:49:56,420 --> 01:49:57,840 within the zoning bylaws that we approved 2297 01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:00,410 in the draft plan of subdivision. 2298 01:50:00,410 --> 01:50:02,760 But that's why I have an issue with this is we 2299 01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:04,950 have a draft plan of subdivision. 2300 01:50:04,950 --> 01:50:08,340 The proponent knew exactly what the expectations 2301 01:50:08,340 --> 01:50:11,510 were for an application to command to develop 2302 01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:13,050 this block. 2303 01:50:13,050 --> 01:50:16,520 We already, and I support it, pushing the density 2304 01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:18,670 a little bit higher on block five, 2305 01:50:18,670 --> 01:50:21,330 where Wostell has come in to do a seniors bill 2306 01:50:21,330 --> 01:50:23,590 project and we moved from four stories 2307 01:50:23,590 --> 01:50:25,940 to five stories to accommodate increased density 2308 01:50:25,940 --> 01:50:26,190 there. 2309 01:50:26,190 --> 01:50:29,920 I'm concerned that we continue to see throughout 2310 01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:30,800 this plan of subdivision. 2311 01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:32,690 Every time an application comes forward, 2312 01:50:32,690 --> 01:50:35,120 there's a push for increased height and density 2313 01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:35,860 on things. 2314 01:50:35,860 --> 01:50:38,580 There's another block, block seven, that allows 2315 01:50:38,580 --> 01:50:39,700 for greater height density 2316 01:50:39,700 --> 01:50:42,650 if the proponent wants to apply for that block 2317 01:50:42,650 --> 01:50:43,980 instead. 2318 01:50:43,980 --> 01:50:46,340 There are other blocks with lower density. 2319 01:50:46,340 --> 01:50:49,820 I really think that we need to be keeping to the 2320 01:50:49,820 --> 01:50:50,600 plan of subdivision 2321 01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:54,720 that this council proved for this school zone rep 2322 01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:56,000 urposing of the site. 2323 01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:59,940 I also am against the increased density for a 2324 01:50:59,940 --> 01:51:02,210 very specific reason and it comes back to 2325 01:51:02,210 --> 01:51:04,960 the discussions we have around what is 2326 01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:10,050 appropriate in terms of clustering and putting 2327 01:51:10,050 --> 01:51:10,570 all the sort 2328 01:51:10,570 --> 01:51:13,070 of services and everything in sort of one 2329 01:51:13,070 --> 01:51:16,100 location. So this project on Duluth is 2330 01:51:16,100 --> 01:51:17,920 immediately north 2331 01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:21,270 of Trafalgar Street. If we go to the south side 2332 01:51:21,270 --> 01:51:24,320 of Trafalgar Street, we have a considerable 2333 01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:24,760 amount 2334 01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:28,480 of affordable and RGI housing already. Over 250 2335 01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:31,760 units, actually, through the Genesis Co-op, 2336 01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:35,110 Talisman Woods Co-op, LMCH itself has 51 town 2337 01:51:35,110 --> 01:51:40,270 houses that are RGI units as well as LMC duplexes 2338 01:51:40,270 --> 01:51:43,570 on Marconi itself between Trafalgar and Noel. I'm 2339 01:51:43,570 --> 01:51:46,170 very concerned that pushing up the density 2340 01:51:46,170 --> 01:51:49,540 further is starting to cluster what is already a 2341 01:51:49,540 --> 01:51:54,790 fairly significant co-location of affordable 2342 01:51:54,790 --> 01:51:58,850 and RGI units in one part of one neighborhood in 2343 01:51:58,850 --> 01:52:00,640 the city. I support the 2344 01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:03,590 ask in terms of the density that was part of the 2345 01:52:03,590 --> 01:52:04,850 plan of subdivision. I've 2346 01:52:04,850 --> 01:52:06,380 supported the plan of subdivision since the 2347 01:52:06,380 --> 01:52:08,240 beginning, but I will not be 2348 01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:11,720 supporting another increase in density being put 2349 01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:13,440 forward here. And I do 2350 01:52:13,440 --> 01:52:15,740 understand from staff as well that my other 2351 01:52:15,740 --> 01:52:17,370 concern, this would not even come 2352 01:52:17,370 --> 01:52:20,690 back to us. If we moved ahead with this in part C 2353 01:52:20,690 --> 01:52:22,870 , it would actually go to the 2354 01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:25,200 committee of adjustments not to counsel for final 2355 01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:26,910 decision. I don't think that 2356 01:52:26,910 --> 01:52:28,650 that's the way we should be handling these when 2357 01:52:28,650 --> 01:52:29,840 we acquire school lands for 2358 01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:32,180 redevelopment. As I said, I've supported the 2359 01:52:32,180 --> 01:52:34,010 project throughout. I worked with 2360 01:52:34,010 --> 01:52:35,910 staff on the plan of subdivision, done 2361 01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:37,890 considerable community consultation. 2362 01:52:37,890 --> 01:52:40,780 There's no community real opposition to the plan 2363 01:52:40,780 --> 01:52:42,290 that exists, but there is 2364 01:52:42,290 --> 01:52:45,250 considerable concern that we are seeing yet again 2365 01:52:45,250 --> 01:52:46,560 another push on another block 2366 01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:48,920 to increase the density further. So I'm 2367 01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:51,430 respectfully asking Kent Committee and 2368 01:52:51,430 --> 01:52:54,440 And we'll be asking council to support everything 2369 01:52:54,440 --> 01:52:54,540 , 2370 01:52:54,440 --> 01:52:56,740 but clause C and ask the proponent, 2371 01:52:56,740 --> 01:52:59,260 balance it to work within the plan of subdivision 2372 01:52:59,260 --> 01:53:04,340 that was laid out for it. 2373 01:53:04,340 --> 01:53:05,590 - Thank you. 2374 01:53:05,590 --> 01:53:08,130 I don't think I heard any questions in that. 2375 01:53:08,130 --> 01:53:15,940 So I will look to other speakers for this item. 2376 01:53:15,940 --> 01:53:17,760 Councilor Hopkins. 2377 01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:18,580 - Thank you. 2378 01:53:18,580 --> 01:53:19,400 I just have a couple of questions 2379 01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:21,630 for clarification for you, Madam Chair. 2380 01:53:21,630 --> 01:53:24,750 As it relates to clause C, 2381 01:53:24,750 --> 01:53:27,640 we're directing the work to work 2382 01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:31,710 with the proponent to submit necessary planning 2383 01:53:31,710 --> 01:53:34,790 act applications to support an increase. 2384 01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:37,860 By supporting C, are we confirming 2385 01:53:37,860 --> 01:53:42,540 that we are going to be increasing the units per 2386 01:53:42,540 --> 01:53:43,040 hectare 2387 01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:44,290 in this recommendation? 2388 01:53:44,290 --> 01:53:47,120 Or would it just go to a landing? 2389 01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:50,840 I just want clarification on that. 2390 01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:53,260 - Thank you, I'll go to Mr. Felberg. 2391 01:53:53,260 --> 01:53:54,900 - Thank you, and through you, Madam Chair. 2392 01:53:54,900 --> 01:53:57,680 So what the intention of clause C is to identify 2393 01:53:57,680 --> 01:53:59,550 they will work with the proponent to submit the 2394 01:53:59,550 --> 01:54:00,190 application. 2395 01:54:00,190 --> 01:54:04,530 So after we follow up with the Director of 2396 01:54:04,530 --> 01:54:04,850 Planning 2397 01:54:04,850 --> 01:54:06,520 and Development, we'll determine if it needs 2398 01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:08,470 to be a minor variance or if it goes to PEC 2399 01:54:08,470 --> 01:54:09,470 initial, 2400 01:54:09,470 --> 01:54:13,510 our initial reviews suggested it would be a minor 2401 01:54:13,510 --> 01:54:14,510 variance 2402 01:54:14,510 --> 01:54:17,590 so it would go to the Committee of Adjustment. 2403 01:54:17,590 --> 01:54:19,740 It probably would also be helpful for Council 2404 01:54:19,740 --> 01:54:22,130 to understand that within the contribution 2405 01:54:22,130 --> 01:54:23,330 agreement itself, 2406 01:54:23,330 --> 01:54:27,310 in section three, it requires consent from the 2407 01:54:27,310 --> 01:54:27,640 city 2408 01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:30,750 to change the number of units on the property. 2409 01:54:30,750 --> 01:54:32,630 So the development that's been identified 2410 01:54:32,630 --> 01:54:35,700 in the contribution agreement is two story 2411 01:54:35,700 --> 01:54:36,460 apartment buildings 2412 01:54:36,460 --> 01:54:39,770 having combined total of 45 units 2413 01:54:39,770 --> 01:54:41,880 and then five three bedroom townhouses. 2414 01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:44,680 So if the committee of adjustment were to find 2415 01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:46,950 in favor of that added height and density, 2416 01:54:46,950 --> 01:54:49,740 we would need to enter into an amending agreement 2417 01:54:49,740 --> 01:54:52,740 with balance if to change the type of development 2418 01:54:52,740 --> 01:54:54,280 at the property. 2419 01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:56,600 Additionally, in section six, 2420 01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:58,830 We have some conditions which are precedent 2421 01:54:58,830 --> 01:55:00,150 to the transfer of the property. 2422 01:55:00,150 --> 01:55:02,530 So we won't actually transfer the property to 2423 01:55:02,530 --> 01:55:03,330 balance it 2424 01:55:03,330 --> 01:55:06,820 until such time as they have received site plan 2425 01:55:06,820 --> 01:55:07,500 approval. 2426 01:55:07,500 --> 01:55:09,420 So again, for them to be able to add the 2427 01:55:09,420 --> 01:55:10,310 additional density, 2428 01:55:10,310 --> 01:55:12,690 add the additional units and create that new 2429 01:55:12,690 --> 01:55:13,260 development, 2430 01:55:13,260 --> 01:55:14,380 they would still need to go through 2431 01:55:14,380 --> 01:55:15,770 that planning process. 2432 01:55:15,770 --> 01:55:18,750 And then only after we have that site plan 2433 01:55:18,750 --> 01:55:18,960 approval, 2434 01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:22,030 would we then consider transferring the property 2435 01:55:22,030 --> 01:55:22,430 to them 2436 01:55:22,430 --> 01:55:26,370 for the building permit and then construction? 2437 01:55:26,370 --> 01:55:27,240 - Councillor Hopkins. 2438 01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:31,620 - Yeah, so right now the contribution agreement 2439 01:55:31,620 --> 01:55:35,960 states to two stories, nothing more. 2440 01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:38,730 Do we really need clause C then? 2441 01:55:38,730 --> 01:55:43,650 Or so in other words, could we just support 2442 01:55:43,650 --> 01:55:46,910 the contribution agreement and what's in it 2443 01:55:46,910 --> 01:55:51,350 and leave it up to the process? 2444 01:55:51,350 --> 01:55:53,460 - Mr. Palper. 2445 01:55:53,460 --> 01:55:55,020 - Thank you and through you Madam Chair. 2446 01:55:55,020 --> 01:55:57,490 So the purpose of clause C is to give council 2447 01:55:57,490 --> 01:56:00,470 some clear idea of how they can approach the 2448 01:56:00,470 --> 01:56:00,840 approval 2449 01:56:00,840 --> 01:56:03,080 of this particular development. 2450 01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:06,430 If council does not wish civic administration 2451 01:56:06,430 --> 01:56:08,220 to explore additional height and density, 2452 01:56:08,220 --> 01:56:11,570 not additional height, additional density, 2453 01:56:11,570 --> 01:56:13,840 and more units on the site, 2454 01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:15,360 then we would move forward. 2455 01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:17,910 If they don't, then you could make a motion 2456 01:56:17,910 --> 01:56:20,960 to remove clause C and then we would just go 2457 01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:21,340 forward 2458 01:56:21,340 --> 01:56:24,470 with the concept that you actually see in the 2459 01:56:24,470 --> 01:56:24,850 report 2460 01:56:24,850 --> 01:56:26,760 and then what's identified in the contribution 2461 01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:29,940 agreement. 2462 01:56:29,940 --> 01:56:32,170 - And Councilor Lochen's question, 2463 01:56:32,170 --> 01:56:35,700 as well as it relates to the affordability, 2464 01:56:35,700 --> 01:56:38,950 I understand it's only 30% that is affordable 2465 01:56:38,950 --> 01:56:43,220 in this development, I just want confirmation. 2466 01:56:43,220 --> 01:56:45,970 Mr. Palberg. 2467 01:56:45,970 --> 01:56:47,350 - Thank you, and through you Madam Chair, 2468 01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:49,090 just looking in the report, 2469 01:56:49,090 --> 01:56:51,020 we actually identified the number of units 2470 01:56:51,020 --> 01:56:52,240 that that relates to. 2471 01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:56,370 So in section 2.3, where it says potential 2472 01:56:56,370 --> 01:56:59,120 for additional units, the very last sentence, 2473 01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:00,950 says the new number of affordable units 2474 01:57:00,950 --> 01:57:03,340 will increase from 15 to 29. 2475 01:57:03,340 --> 01:57:06,080 So that's that 30% of the existing development 2476 01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:10,150 to what could potentially be 40% of the new 2477 01:57:10,150 --> 01:57:10,620 proposed 2478 01:57:10,620 --> 01:57:12,850 development that the developer proposed 2479 01:57:12,850 --> 01:57:16,140 in the procurement process. 2480 01:57:16,140 --> 01:57:20,070 - Councillor Hopkins, looking for other speakers. 2481 01:57:20,070 --> 01:57:21,830 Councillor Ferrera. 2482 01:57:21,830 --> 01:57:22,830 - Thank you, Chair. 2483 01:57:22,830 --> 01:57:25,260 I guess coming off of Councillor Hopkins' 2484 01:57:25,260 --> 01:57:25,850 question. 2485 01:57:25,850 --> 01:57:28,240 So I was looking at that section of the report as 2486 01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:28,630 well. 2487 01:57:28,630 --> 01:57:32,510 And it's, I do see that going from the 15 to 29 2488 01:57:32,510 --> 01:57:35,980 is the reason that we are potentially looking to 2489 01:57:35,980 --> 01:57:36,490 move 2490 01:57:36,490 --> 01:57:39,690 towards the greater unit per hectare density. 2491 01:57:39,690 --> 01:57:40,840 And I do see also, 2492 01:57:40,840 --> 01:57:43,200 I was wondering if you could just kind of point 2493 01:57:43,200 --> 01:57:43,920 out 2494 01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:45,020 some of the types of units. 2495 01:57:45,020 --> 01:57:48,330 Like I see it says provide more family size units 2496 01:57:48,330 --> 01:57:51,500 in the back to back town homes unit or the town 2497 01:57:51,500 --> 01:57:52,300 house units. 2498 01:57:52,300 --> 01:57:55,260 I was just wondering if you could maybe tell some 2499 01:57:55,260 --> 01:57:55,430 details 2500 01:57:55,430 --> 01:57:59,080 if this increased density were to be approved, 2501 01:57:59,080 --> 01:58:01,480 what would you see in addition 2502 01:58:01,480 --> 01:58:02,840 to the number of affordable units. 2503 01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:06,830 What type of units are we talking about? 2504 01:58:06,830 --> 01:58:09,460 - Thank you, I'll go to Mr. Felberg. 2505 01:58:09,460 --> 01:58:10,850 - Thank you, and through you Madam Chair. 2506 01:58:10,850 --> 01:58:14,590 So by adding the additional townhouse units, 2507 01:58:14,590 --> 01:58:18,170 we'd be adding additional family size units to 2508 01:58:18,170 --> 01:58:18,600 that. 2509 01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:20,070 But we'll have to go back and take a look 2510 01:58:20,070 --> 01:58:22,450 at the specific numbers and we can get that 2511 01:58:22,450 --> 01:58:22,690 information 2512 01:58:22,690 --> 01:58:25,820 to a committee before council. 2513 01:58:25,820 --> 01:58:27,130 - Councilor Ferrer. 2514 01:58:27,130 --> 01:58:29,650 Okay, thank you. 2515 01:58:29,650 --> 01:58:32,630 - Okay, looking for other speakers, Councilor 2516 01:58:32,630 --> 01:58:34,570 Stevenson. 2517 01:58:34,570 --> 01:58:36,350 - Thank you. 2518 01:58:36,350 --> 01:58:39,680 When I look at this, I'm wondering if you can 2519 01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:39,870 tell us 2520 01:58:39,870 --> 01:58:42,270 a little bit more about the negotiated request 2521 01:58:42,270 --> 01:58:44,630 for a proposal and how that worked for this 2522 01:58:44,630 --> 01:58:46,780 project. 2523 01:58:46,780 --> 01:58:52,770 - Mr. Felberg. 2524 01:58:52,770 --> 01:58:53,600 - Through you, Madam Chair. 2525 01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:55,150 I wonder if Councilor could provide a little bit 2526 01:58:55,150 --> 01:58:55,270 more 2527 01:58:55,270 --> 01:58:57,320 clarity on what are you looking for? 2528 01:58:57,320 --> 01:58:58,550 What information are you looking for? 2529 01:58:58,550 --> 01:58:59,660 Are you looking for the back and forth? 2530 01:58:59,660 --> 01:59:01,440 Are you looking for the things that we talked 2531 01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:04,200 about? 2532 01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:06,540 - Councilor Stevenson? 2533 01:59:06,540 --> 01:59:10,970 - Yeah, the back and forth and what you guys 2534 01:59:10,970 --> 01:59:11,440 talked about, 2535 01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:14,380 I guess, I'm wondering, there was only two 2536 01:59:14,380 --> 01:59:15,210 proponents 2537 01:59:15,210 --> 01:59:18,030 and you spoke with them and this is a, 2538 01:59:18,030 --> 01:59:19,970 It blends a competitive bidding 2539 01:59:19,970 --> 01:59:21,400 with a structured negotiation. 2540 01:59:21,400 --> 01:59:23,100 I know this is relatively new. 2541 01:59:23,100 --> 01:59:24,360 So I'd just like to understand 2542 01:59:24,360 --> 01:59:55,160 how this proponent was chosen. 2543 01:59:55,160 --> 01:59:56,360 - Thank you and three, Madam Chair. 2544 01:59:56,360 --> 01:59:58,740 So one of the nice things about the negotiated 2545 01:59:58,740 --> 01:59:59,150 proposal, 2546 01:59:59,150 --> 02:00:00,710 it does allow us flexibility 2547 02:00:00,710 --> 02:00:02,420 for it to be able to have a conversation. 2548 02:00:02,420 --> 02:00:04,800 So the developer can come in or the proponents 2549 02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:05,170 can come in 2550 02:00:05,170 --> 02:00:06,930 and they can offer different elements 2551 02:00:06,930 --> 02:00:10,380 depending on what it is they're specifically 2552 02:00:10,380 --> 02:00:11,310 looking for. 2553 02:00:11,310 --> 02:00:15,420 So in this case, through the negotiation, 2554 02:00:15,420 --> 02:00:18,400 identified an opportunity to add more height and 2555 02:00:18,400 --> 02:00:18,990 density. 2556 02:00:18,990 --> 02:00:21,370 So what we said as part of that process was we 2557 02:00:21,370 --> 02:00:23,430 needed to understand what council's perspective 2558 02:00:23,430 --> 02:00:26,570 is on that before we advanced the project. 2559 02:00:26,570 --> 02:00:29,520 In the initial procurement document, we had 2560 02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:32,100 highlighted what the development could be, 2561 02:00:32,100 --> 02:00:33,660 which is what you see in the contribution 2562 02:00:33,660 --> 02:00:35,390 agreement, what I talked about before with 2563 02:00:35,390 --> 02:00:40,190 the 50 units or the 45 in the five unit townhouse 2564 02:00:40,190 --> 02:00:40,510 . 2565 02:00:40,510 --> 02:00:42,860 So it really depends on what the particular 2566 02:00:42,860 --> 02:00:44,800 proponent might want to talk about. 2567 02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:48,120 But all elements of the development and all 2568 02:00:48,120 --> 02:00:49,490 elements of the contribution agreement can 2569 02:00:49,490 --> 02:00:52,570 be negotiated as part of that process. 2570 02:00:52,570 --> 02:00:54,190 Councillor Stevenson. 2571 02:00:54,190 --> 02:00:55,180 Thank you. 2572 02:00:55,180 --> 02:00:56,160 That's helpful. 2573 02:00:56,160 --> 02:00:58,760 And I guess so what had this one be chosen over 2574 02:00:58,760 --> 02:01:05,880 the other one, like Mr. Falberg? 2575 02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:06,880 Thank you. 2576 02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:07,870 And through Madam Chair. 2577 02:01:07,870 --> 02:01:09,930 So one of the things that was most appealing 2578 02:01:09,930 --> 02:01:12,050 about this project was the modern methods 2579 02:01:12,050 --> 02:01:13,050 of construction. 2580 02:01:13,050 --> 02:01:17,150 So the modular build that balance it is offering. 2581 02:01:17,150 --> 02:01:18,760 As you know, that's a priority for the federal 2582 02:01:18,760 --> 02:01:20,450 government and also the provincial government 2583 02:01:20,450 --> 02:01:23,830 in building new housing and getting it up and 2584 02:01:23,830 --> 02:01:24,030 ready 2585 02:01:24,030 --> 02:01:26,790 and occupied faster. 2586 02:01:26,790 --> 02:01:27,610 - Councillor? 2587 02:01:27,610 --> 02:01:28,440 - Okay, thanks. 2588 02:01:28,440 --> 02:01:29,730 And just because this is new 2589 02:01:29,730 --> 02:01:32,190 and I'm wanting to understand it, 2590 02:01:32,190 --> 02:01:36,420 how is it, I don't even know how to say this, 2591 02:01:36,420 --> 02:01:38,980 but you negotiate different things. 2592 02:01:38,980 --> 02:01:41,320 You choose the one that you feel is best for the 2593 02:01:41,320 --> 02:01:42,370 city. 2594 02:01:42,370 --> 02:01:46,490 How is the other one, is there any, 2595 02:01:46,490 --> 02:01:48,120 how is fairness maintained, I guess? 2596 02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:50,480 Or how is it clear so that we don't have people 2597 02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:55,640 who are unhappy potentially with the decision? 2598 02:01:55,640 --> 02:01:57,290 - Mr. Felberg. 2599 02:01:57,290 --> 02:01:58,690 - Thank you and through you Madam Chair. 2600 02:01:58,690 --> 02:02:01,620 So there is a evaluation criteria built into the 2601 02:02:01,620 --> 02:02:01,790 RFP, 2602 02:02:01,790 --> 02:02:03,380 very similar, and the NRFP. 2603 02:02:03,380 --> 02:02:06,290 It's very similar to any other RFP that we would 2604 02:02:06,290 --> 02:02:06,390 have. 2605 02:02:06,290 --> 02:02:09,260 So we identify certain things that are not negot 2606 02:02:09,260 --> 02:02:09,360 iable. 2607 02:02:09,350 --> 02:02:12,800 They are yes, no kind of components of the 2608 02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:13,250 proposal. 2609 02:02:13,250 --> 02:02:15,160 And then there are other parts that are things 2610 02:02:15,160 --> 02:02:17,480 that we can score and then negotiate. 2611 02:02:17,480 --> 02:02:20,450 So again, this one because of the speed 2612 02:02:20,450 --> 02:02:24,080 and the ability to move faster was one of the key 2613 02:02:24,080 --> 02:02:24,770 things 2614 02:02:24,770 --> 02:02:29,280 for this particular proponent in this project. 2615 02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:30,100 - Councilor? 2616 02:02:30,100 --> 02:02:31,270 - Okay, thank you through the chair. 2617 02:02:31,270 --> 02:02:34,410 So what I'm understanding is you have a winning 2618 02:02:34,410 --> 02:02:34,740 person 2619 02:02:34,740 --> 02:02:37,060 through the, or a proponent through the RFP 2620 02:02:37,060 --> 02:02:39,190 and then you negotiate with that one 2621 02:02:39,190 --> 02:02:43,660 to get the specifics that you want. 2622 02:02:43,660 --> 02:02:45,500 - Mr. Palper. 2623 02:02:45,500 --> 02:02:47,220 - Thank you and through you Madam Chair. 2624 02:02:47,220 --> 02:02:49,090 So yes, there is a priority. 2625 02:02:49,090 --> 02:02:51,640 So we'd negotiate with the highest scoring 2626 02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:53,480 proponent first, 2627 02:02:53,480 --> 02:02:55,830 but we can negotiate with all proponents 2628 02:02:55,830 --> 02:02:57,150 through the process. 2629 02:02:57,150 --> 02:02:58,820 Some of that is identified as part of the 2630 02:02:58,820 --> 02:03:00,620 procurement process 2631 02:03:00,620 --> 02:03:02,490 and in the procurement document as well. 2632 02:03:02,490 --> 02:03:05,260 So there are various options, which is nice. 2633 02:03:05,260 --> 02:03:07,130 It adds flexibility. 2634 02:03:07,130 --> 02:03:09,610 It's not as restrictive and as closed 2635 02:03:09,610 --> 02:03:12,960 as a traditional RFP where if certain elements 2636 02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:18,020 are not answered, they may or may not get scored. 2637 02:03:18,020 --> 02:03:19,400 - Councillor Stevenson. 2638 02:03:19,400 --> 02:03:20,830 - Thank you and through you. 2639 02:03:20,830 --> 02:03:23,320 I just wanted to know also about the partnership 2640 02:03:23,320 --> 02:03:23,630 piece 2641 02:03:23,630 --> 02:03:24,460 of this. 2642 02:03:24,460 --> 02:03:26,830 Is this something new or have we done this on 2643 02:03:26,830 --> 02:03:29,580 other projects? 2644 02:03:29,580 --> 02:03:35,030 - Mr. Pelberg. 2645 02:03:35,030 --> 02:03:36,250 - Thank you and through you Madam Chair. 2646 02:03:36,250 --> 02:03:38,610 I assume the council you're referring to the 2647 02:03:38,610 --> 02:03:38,940 partnership 2648 02:03:38,940 --> 02:03:40,430 with the city and the proponent, 2649 02:03:40,430 --> 02:03:45,180 is that what you're referring to? 2650 02:03:45,180 --> 02:03:46,630 - Go ahead, Mr. Felberg. 2651 02:03:46,630 --> 02:03:47,660 - Thank you, and through you, Madam Chair. 2652 02:03:47,660 --> 02:03:50,470 Yes, we have done this in a few other locations. 2653 02:03:50,470 --> 02:03:53,250 So a really great recent example 2654 02:03:53,250 --> 02:03:54,510 would be the Hyde Park Project, 2655 02:03:54,510 --> 02:03:59,250 where we partnered with PI homes, 2656 02:03:59,250 --> 02:04:00,660 I forget what the PI stands for, 2657 02:04:00,660 --> 02:04:03,730 but in also Zaren, which is a nonprofit. 2658 02:04:03,730 --> 02:04:05,800 But those are very similar process, 2659 02:04:05,800 --> 02:04:09,060 that that was our first NRFP that we did as a 2660 02:04:09,060 --> 02:04:09,340 city. 2661 02:04:09,340 --> 02:04:12,320 and we're finding that it is effective, 2662 02:04:12,320 --> 02:04:14,150 especially in the affordable housing world, 2663 02:04:14,150 --> 02:04:16,380 where there's so many different variables 2664 02:04:16,380 --> 02:04:19,160 that can change through the process. 2665 02:04:19,160 --> 02:04:20,960 - Councillor Stevenson. 2666 02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:21,800 - Thank you. 2667 02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:24,810 And so just to clarify in the conclusion, 2668 02:04:24,810 --> 02:04:26,840 it says that approval of the recommendations in 2669 02:04:26,840 --> 02:04:27,400 this report 2670 02:04:27,400 --> 02:04:31,140 will authorize a project partnership with balance 2671 02:04:31,140 --> 02:04:31,640 it ink, 2672 02:04:31,640 --> 02:04:33,390 and it might be my accounting background 2673 02:04:33,390 --> 02:04:37,530 that has me pay attention to the word partnership 2674 02:04:37,530 --> 02:04:37,630 . 2675 02:04:37,530 --> 02:04:40,030 And then it also says that the city 2676 02:04:40,030 --> 02:04:42,850 helps secure construction financing, 2677 02:04:42,850 --> 02:04:45,310 can assist with tendering and contract 2678 02:04:45,310 --> 02:04:46,700 administration. 2679 02:04:46,700 --> 02:04:51,850 So that level of partnership has been done before 2680 02:04:51,850 --> 02:04:51,950 . 2681 02:04:51,850 --> 02:04:53,710 - Mr. Falberg. 2682 02:04:53,710 --> 02:04:54,970 - Thank you, three, Madam Chair. 2683 02:04:54,970 --> 02:04:57,950 So a really good example would be the 18 Elm 2684 02:04:57,950 --> 02:04:58,700 Street project. 2685 02:04:58,700 --> 02:05:01,080 So that was formerly the HDC, 2686 02:05:01,080 --> 02:05:04,030 but a very similar model that we're undertaking 2687 02:05:04,030 --> 02:05:05,830 through some of the work that we do. 2688 02:05:05,830 --> 02:05:08,930 We partnered with the Ontario Aboriginal Housing 2689 02:05:08,930 --> 02:05:09,670 Services. 2690 02:05:09,670 --> 02:05:12,540 we actually took on the design of the building. 2691 02:05:12,540 --> 02:05:16,780 We went through site plan approval on behalf of O 2692 02:05:16,780 --> 02:05:17,210 HS. 2693 02:05:17,210 --> 02:05:19,210 And then when they were ready, when they had 2694 02:05:19,210 --> 02:05:19,570 secured 2695 02:05:19,570 --> 02:05:21,490 their financing and they were ready to move 2696 02:05:21,490 --> 02:05:21,960 forward 2697 02:05:21,960 --> 02:05:24,120 with the actual development and get a permit, 2698 02:05:24,120 --> 02:05:27,050 we then transferred the land to the proponent to 2699 02:05:27,050 --> 02:05:27,440 OHS 2700 02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:29,390 and they undertook the construction. 2701 02:05:29,390 --> 02:05:31,950 So it varies depending on the proponent 2702 02:05:31,950 --> 02:05:33,350 in which partner we're working on 2703 02:05:33,350 --> 02:05:35,500 and how we are going to participate. 2704 02:05:35,500 --> 02:05:37,890 But that 18 Elm Street project is a really good 2705 02:05:37,890 --> 02:05:38,220 example 2706 02:05:38,220 --> 02:05:40,600 of us taking things all the way through the 2707 02:05:40,600 --> 02:05:41,050 process. 2708 02:05:41,050 --> 02:05:44,490 And I believe it's actually occupied right now. 2709 02:05:44,490 --> 02:05:46,520 The childcare center will be open 2710 02:05:46,520 --> 02:05:48,600 in the coming months or weeks. 2711 02:05:48,600 --> 02:05:50,160 So it's a very exciting project. 2712 02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:53,740 I encourage you to drive by and check it out. 2713 02:05:53,740 --> 02:05:55,550 - Councillor Stevenson. 2714 02:05:55,550 --> 02:05:56,730 - Thank you very much for that. 2715 02:05:56,730 --> 02:05:59,790 And through you, another follow up is, 2716 02:05:59,790 --> 02:06:03,250 I guess when taxpayers know that we're 2717 02:06:03,250 --> 02:06:04,950 contributing the land, 2718 02:06:04,950 --> 02:06:08,690 so they're buying it for $2 and then they're 2719 02:06:08,690 --> 02:06:08,990 doing it. 2720 02:06:08,990 --> 02:06:12,160 and then we're also contributing city land, 2721 02:06:12,160 --> 02:06:15,300 staff expertise, all that kind of things. 2722 02:06:15,300 --> 02:06:18,740 Why do we do that versus doing what we did at 122 2723 02:06:18,740 --> 02:06:19,220 baseline 2724 02:06:19,220 --> 02:06:20,660 where it was our project? 2725 02:06:20,660 --> 02:06:23,020 How does the city determine what's in the best 2726 02:06:23,020 --> 02:06:24,570 interest 2727 02:06:24,570 --> 02:06:27,460 long-term? 2728 02:06:27,460 --> 02:06:30,090 - Mr. Pelver. 2729 02:06:30,090 --> 02:06:31,310 - Thank you, three, Madam Chair. 2730 02:06:31,310 --> 02:06:33,480 So in section three of the report, 2731 02:06:33,480 --> 02:06:35,690 we try to touch on that a little bit. 2732 02:06:35,690 --> 02:06:38,710 So the investment that we've made on this 2733 02:06:38,710 --> 02:06:39,230 particular property 2734 02:06:39,230 --> 02:06:41,050 in order to prepare and get a shovel ready 2735 02:06:41,050 --> 02:06:42,960 is just a little over a million dollars. 2736 02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:45,650 So the cost per unit for this particular project 2737 02:06:45,650 --> 02:06:49,360 is about $23,000. 2738 02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:52,990 Now, though, we have a property or a block 2739 02:06:52,990 --> 02:06:56,830 that has a different appraised value. 2740 02:06:56,830 --> 02:06:58,430 So that appraised value is actually 2741 02:06:58,430 --> 02:07:01,660 works out to closer to $68,000 a unit. 2742 02:07:01,660 --> 02:07:03,850 So we're adding value to the community. 2743 02:07:03,850 --> 02:07:06,240 We're actually going over and above what our 2744 02:07:06,240 --> 02:07:06,840 contribution is 2745 02:07:06,840 --> 02:07:10,030 on the roadmap by $45,000 and we're 2746 02:07:10,030 --> 02:07:12,150 creating that value in the community. 2747 02:07:12,150 --> 02:07:14,180 As far as constructing new buildings, 2748 02:07:14,180 --> 02:07:17,170 so the baseline, Thompson and Sylvan Street 2749 02:07:17,170 --> 02:07:17,930 projects, 2750 02:07:17,930 --> 02:07:20,170 they were part of a federal program 2751 02:07:20,170 --> 02:07:22,640 where the federal government was granting funding 2752 02:07:22,640 --> 02:07:25,470 specific for construction of new buildings. 2753 02:07:25,470 --> 02:07:27,390 A big part of that was a COVID response 2754 02:07:27,390 --> 02:07:30,370 in making sure that there was construction 2755 02:07:30,370 --> 02:07:30,700 happening 2756 02:07:30,700 --> 02:07:32,220 at the time. 2757 02:07:32,220 --> 02:07:35,180 So very different and hard, very difficult 2758 02:07:35,180 --> 02:07:36,810 to compare apples to apples. 2759 02:07:36,810 --> 02:07:38,630 The roadmap has given us that structure 2760 02:07:38,630 --> 02:07:40,740 and councils endorse the shovel ready projects. 2761 02:07:40,740 --> 02:07:43,300 very similar dial DS where we go out, create 2762 02:07:43,300 --> 02:07:43,710 value, 2763 02:07:43,710 --> 02:07:47,910 and then make that available for proponents. 2764 02:07:47,910 --> 02:07:50,880 - Councillor Stevenson. 2765 02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:55,170 - I think that's it for now, thanks. 2766 02:07:55,170 --> 02:07:56,990 - Thank you, looking for other speakers on this. 2767 02:07:56,990 --> 02:07:58,500 Oh, sorry, Councillor Hopkins, you had a question 2768 02:07:58,500 --> 02:07:59,250 , go ahead. 2769 02:07:59,250 --> 02:08:00,840 - Yes, I do, Madam Chair, 2770 02:08:00,840 --> 02:08:03,900 and I'm just also thinking how complicated 2771 02:08:03,900 --> 02:08:06,990 all these funding formulas can be sometimes. 2772 02:08:06,990 --> 02:08:11,960 And my question through you is just to confirm 2773 02:08:11,960 --> 02:08:17,010 that any kind of planning application changes 2774 02:08:17,010 --> 02:08:22,580 will be the responsibility of the applicant, 2775 02:08:22,580 --> 02:08:27,980 not the city. 2776 02:08:27,980 --> 02:08:28,770 Mr. Palberg. 2777 02:08:28,770 --> 02:08:31,080 - Thank you, through you, Madam Chair. 2778 02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:33,030 Yes, it'd be their responsibility to undertake 2779 02:08:33,030 --> 02:08:34,990 those applications, but again, 2780 02:08:34,990 --> 02:08:37,020 in that contribution agreement we've identified 2781 02:08:37,020 --> 02:08:39,130 that the transfer of the land, 2782 02:08:39,130 --> 02:08:41,090 so they won't actually receive an asset 2783 02:08:41,090 --> 02:08:43,360 until they've gone through site plan approval. 2784 02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:46,340 So we're trying to ensure that the planning 2785 02:08:46,340 --> 02:08:46,630 approvals 2786 02:08:46,630 --> 02:08:49,640 are done and complete prior to them moving 2787 02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:50,610 forward. 2788 02:08:50,610 --> 02:08:52,650 They should also have financing in place at that 2789 02:08:52,650 --> 02:08:53,040 point. 2790 02:08:53,040 --> 02:08:56,390 So at that point, their banks and their finances 2791 02:08:56,390 --> 02:09:00,330 will have a commitment from the developer 2792 02:09:00,330 --> 02:09:02,770 to move forward with a project in a certain way 2793 02:09:02,770 --> 02:09:07,200 under a certain development framework. 2794 02:09:07,200 --> 02:09:09,070 - And again, it's through you, Madam Chair. 2795 02:09:09,070 --> 02:09:12,120 It's their responsibility. 2796 02:09:12,120 --> 02:09:12,900 Mr. Felberg. 2797 02:09:12,900 --> 02:09:18,010 - Through you, Madam Chair, that's correct. 2798 02:09:18,010 --> 02:09:19,970 - Councillor, any follow up? 2799 02:09:19,970 --> 02:09:22,760 Okay, Councillor Ferrer, go ahead. 2800 02:09:22,760 --> 02:09:23,590 - Thank you, Chair. 2801 02:09:23,590 --> 02:09:24,820 So just to follow up on that. 2802 02:09:24,820 --> 02:09:27,160 So the city total amount invested 2803 02:09:27,160 --> 02:09:29,520 for the preparation of the land and everything 2804 02:09:29,520 --> 02:09:29,650 there 2805 02:09:29,650 --> 02:09:31,910 was about five million from the report. 2806 02:09:31,910 --> 02:09:36,990 Is that correct, Mr. Palberg? 2807 02:09:36,990 --> 02:09:38,350 - Thank you, through you, Madam Chair. 2808 02:09:38,350 --> 02:09:41,400 Yes, all of the money that the city spent 2809 02:09:41,400 --> 02:09:45,930 to redevelop Duluth was five million dollars. 2810 02:09:45,930 --> 02:09:46,930 - Councillor Ferrer. 2811 02:09:46,930 --> 02:09:47,760 - Okay, thank you. 2812 02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:51,220 And then like with that investment from the city, 2813 02:09:51,220 --> 02:09:52,810 and especially with our direction of council, 2814 02:09:52,810 --> 02:09:55,180 we're looking to maximize how as many affordable 2815 02:09:55,180 --> 02:09:55,350 units 2816 02:09:55,350 --> 02:09:58,210 as we possibly can for more affordable housing 2817 02:09:58,210 --> 02:10:01,420 and family size units, which I have seen in the 2818 02:10:01,420 --> 02:10:01,520 past. 2819 02:10:01,510 --> 02:10:04,210 We have seen a lot of like bachelor 2820 02:10:04,210 --> 02:10:06,160 and single bedroom units, 2821 02:10:06,160 --> 02:10:08,160 and I've been advocating for more family size 2822 02:10:08,160 --> 02:10:08,490 units, 2823 02:10:08,490 --> 02:10:09,320 which is why I like this. 2824 02:10:09,320 --> 02:10:10,540 I understand some of the concerns that I'm 2825 02:10:10,540 --> 02:10:10,830 hearing, 2826 02:10:10,830 --> 02:10:12,820 but I do think that this is the best bang for our 2827 02:10:12,820 --> 02:10:13,080 buck. 2828 02:10:13,080 --> 02:10:14,930 Do you happen to have, 2829 02:10:14,930 --> 02:10:16,690 and I know this is probably not a fair question, 2830 02:10:16,690 --> 02:10:19,340 but do you have any numbers on how many single 2831 02:10:19,340 --> 02:10:21,810 and non-family affordable units 2832 02:10:21,810 --> 02:10:24,990 that we have approved as of date 2833 02:10:24,990 --> 02:10:26,950 compared to the family size units. 2834 02:10:26,950 --> 02:10:28,760 And if not, I totally get that. 2835 02:10:28,760 --> 02:10:31,620 I can get that back later. 2836 02:10:31,620 --> 02:10:32,840 - Mr. Palberg. 2837 02:10:32,840 --> 02:10:33,710 - Thank you. 2838 02:10:33,710 --> 02:10:34,530 And through Madam Chair, 2839 02:10:34,530 --> 02:10:38,160 not off top of our back of our hand top of our 2840 02:10:38,160 --> 02:10:38,360 head, 2841 02:10:38,360 --> 02:10:42,080 but we'll come back and let Council know. 2842 02:10:42,080 --> 02:10:42,990 - Council for air. 2843 02:10:42,990 --> 02:10:43,830 - Okay, thank you. 2844 02:10:43,830 --> 02:10:45,060 Well, I would say, you know, 2845 02:10:45,060 --> 02:10:47,330 with the city strategic plan and our goal 2846 02:10:47,330 --> 02:10:49,710 of creating more affordable units as many as we 2847 02:10:49,710 --> 02:10:49,810 can, 2848 02:10:49,800 --> 02:10:52,030 especially family size units, which are needed 2849 02:10:52,030 --> 02:10:55,790 and trying to mitigate the affordability needs of 2850 02:10:55,790 --> 02:10:56,250 Londoners, 2851 02:10:56,250 --> 02:10:57,960 especially when it comes to families, 2852 02:10:57,960 --> 02:11:00,510 and stretching our dollar for as much as we can 2853 02:11:00,510 --> 02:11:01,660 when it comes to affordable units. 2854 02:11:01,660 --> 02:11:05,920 I would support this project as it is. 2855 02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:07,590 I do wanna see as many as we can. 2856 02:11:07,590 --> 02:11:09,730 So when I see increasing the minimum 2857 02:11:09,730 --> 02:11:11,680 from 30 to 40% of affordable units, 2858 02:11:11,680 --> 02:11:13,590 and I see the type of units that they are, 2859 02:11:13,590 --> 02:11:15,110 and then I see the money that we've invested, 2860 02:11:15,110 --> 02:11:18,220 we have a chance here to increase that from 15 to 2861 02:11:18,220 --> 02:11:19,160 29. 2862 02:11:19,160 --> 02:11:22,150 So I would hope that the committee does support 2863 02:11:22,150 --> 02:11:25,700 this. 2864 02:11:25,700 --> 02:11:27,080 - Thank you, I'll look for other speakers. 2865 02:11:27,080 --> 02:11:28,660 Councillor Stevenson, go ahead. 2866 02:11:28,660 --> 02:11:29,960 - Thank you, I forgot one. 2867 02:11:29,960 --> 02:11:34,240 Has balance IT Inc built the building of this 2868 02:11:34,240 --> 02:11:34,900 size before 2869 02:11:34,900 --> 02:11:40,040 or was this the first time? 2870 02:11:40,040 --> 02:11:49,910 - Thank you, I'll go to staff. 2871 02:11:49,910 --> 02:11:50,920 - Thank you, and through you Madam Chair, 2872 02:11:50,920 --> 02:11:52,440 we'll have to get back to you with some of that 2873 02:11:52,440 --> 02:11:54,560 information. 2874 02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:55,530 - Councillor, that's great. 2875 02:11:55,530 --> 02:11:57,230 If we could get it before council, that would be 2876 02:11:57,230 --> 02:11:58,340 great. 2877 02:11:58,340 --> 02:12:00,120 - Thank you. 2878 02:12:00,120 --> 02:12:15,090 Any other questions on item 2.7? 2879 02:12:15,090 --> 02:12:15,920 Okay, thank you. 2880 02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:18,510 We will open parts A and B first, 2881 02:12:18,510 --> 02:12:23,100 and then we'll deal with C separately. 2882 02:12:23,100 --> 02:12:33,410 So this is the opening of A and B. 2883 02:12:33,410 --> 02:12:39,200 Closing the vote, the motion carries five to zero 2884 02:12:39,200 --> 02:12:39,300 . 2885 02:12:39,200 --> 02:12:49,820 Thank you, we will open part C. 2886 02:12:49,820 --> 02:12:53,900 Closing the vote, the motion carries four to one. 2887 02:12:53,900 --> 02:12:56,710 Thank you, that takes us to item 2.9, 2888 02:12:56,710 --> 02:13:01,220 which is the Byron Veterans Monument donation 2889 02:13:01,220 --> 02:13:03,490 to Spring Bank Park. 2890 02:13:03,490 --> 02:13:06,980 Councilor Pribble is prepared to move a referral 2891 02:13:06,980 --> 02:13:07,780 on this item. 2892 02:13:07,780 --> 02:13:10,200 You would have received a notification today 2893 02:13:10,200 --> 02:13:14,320 have a special meeting on this item coming up 2894 02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:17,410 in the coming weeks, and the referral is for the 2895 02:13:17,410 --> 02:13:17,800 purpose 2896 02:13:17,800 --> 02:13:20,330 of us to receive additional communications 2897 02:13:20,330 --> 02:13:22,630 and legal on this item. 2898 02:13:22,630 --> 02:13:25,410 With that, I will look to Councillor Perbell 2899 02:13:25,410 --> 02:13:29,850 to move that amendment, or referral, sorry. 2900 02:13:29,850 --> 02:13:31,110 - Thank you, Chair. 2901 02:13:31,110 --> 02:13:32,870 So I don't know if you want me to, 2902 02:13:32,870 --> 02:13:35,220 as stated by the Chair, I would like to refer 2903 02:13:35,220 --> 02:13:35,620 this. 2904 02:13:35,620 --> 02:13:37,530 And there's a motion for us. 2905 02:13:37,530 --> 02:13:38,820 I don't know if you want me to read it, 2906 02:13:38,820 --> 02:13:44,430 or if it's, if all my colleagues can. 2907 02:13:44,430 --> 02:13:48,920 - You can read it, that'd be great. 2908 02:13:48,920 --> 02:13:51,560 - Better on the recommendation of the Deputy City 2909 02:13:51,560 --> 02:13:51,980 Manager. 2910 02:13:51,980 --> 02:13:53,290 - Nope, sorry, second one. 2911 02:13:53,290 --> 02:14:03,980 - I see it. 2912 02:14:03,980 --> 02:14:06,330 - Did a matter of the Byron Veterans Monument 2913 02:14:06,330 --> 02:14:06,580 donation 2914 02:14:06,580 --> 02:14:09,100 to Springman Park as included in the staff 2915 02:14:09,100 --> 02:14:14,090 reported June 8th, 2026 be referred to a special 2916 02:14:14,090 --> 02:14:14,230 meeting 2917 02:14:14,230 --> 02:14:17,420 of the community and protective services 2918 02:14:17,420 --> 02:14:18,130 committee 2919 02:14:18,130 --> 02:14:21,290 on June 16th, 2026. 2920 02:14:21,290 --> 02:14:36,260 - Thank you and a seconder in Council Ferrera. 2921 02:14:36,260 --> 02:14:37,770 - Is anyone looking to discuss this matter? 2922 02:14:37,770 --> 02:14:40,010 Okay, I'll go to Councillor Hopkins, go ahead. 2923 02:14:40,010 --> 02:14:41,380 - Yes, definitely. 2924 02:14:41,380 --> 02:14:44,210 This is in the ward that I represent 2925 02:14:44,210 --> 02:14:48,020 and maybe to the mover or the seconder, 2926 02:14:48,020 --> 02:14:51,140 what would be the reason for the referral? 2927 02:14:51,140 --> 02:14:51,910 - Thank you. 2928 02:14:51,910 --> 02:14:54,950 So we're having a special meeting on this item on 2929 02:14:54,950 --> 02:14:58,510 June 16th. 2930 02:14:58,510 --> 02:15:00,840 - Follow up question maybe through you then to 2931 02:15:00,840 --> 02:15:03,170 staff would be, 2932 02:15:03,170 --> 02:15:08,350 does this delay the timing for the Remembrance 2933 02:15:08,350 --> 02:15:08,740 Day service 2934 02:15:09,240 --> 02:15:12,720 that this memorial, which would be in November. 2935 02:15:12,720 --> 02:15:14,690 - Thank you, I'll go to Ms. Smith. 2936 02:15:14,690 --> 02:15:15,650 - Thank you, and through the chair, 2937 02:15:15,650 --> 02:15:16,970 thank you for the question. 2938 02:15:16,970 --> 02:15:19,950 This is why we're recommending that we hold a 2939 02:15:19,950 --> 02:15:20,200 special meeting. 2940 02:15:20,200 --> 02:15:22,430 We need just to make some minor adjustments 2941 02:15:22,430 --> 02:15:26,900 to the template agreement attached to the report. 2942 02:15:26,900 --> 02:15:29,880 So in order to do that, we've asked for a special 2943 02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:30,130 meeting. 2944 02:15:30,130 --> 02:15:33,120 So it will still go to the same council meeting 2945 02:15:33,120 --> 02:15:35,680 that it would have gone to if the report came 2946 02:15:35,680 --> 02:15:36,270 forward today. 2947 02:15:36,270 --> 02:15:39,200 So it will not impact anything with respect to 2948 02:15:39,200 --> 02:15:39,660 the project. 2949 02:15:39,660 --> 02:15:41,690 It's just some minor amendments to the agreement 2950 02:15:41,690 --> 02:15:44,930 that civic administration would like to have in 2951 02:15:44,930 --> 02:15:45,280 place 2952 02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:49,410 before council reviews it and improves it. 2953 02:15:49,410 --> 02:15:51,050 - Thank you, Councillor Hopkins. 2954 02:15:51,050 --> 02:15:53,390 As long as there are no delays, I'm happy to 2955 02:15:53,390 --> 02:15:55,050 support it. 2956 02:15:55,050 --> 02:15:58,610 - Thank you, I'll go to Deputy Mayor Lewis. 2957 02:15:58,610 --> 02:16:00,510 - Thank you, Madam Chair, as somebody who's been 2958 02:16:00,510 --> 02:16:01,730 on the 2959 02:16:01,730 --> 02:16:04,470 committee working on this project, 2960 02:16:04,470 --> 02:16:07,500 I will say Councillor Hopkins asked the most 2961 02:16:07,500 --> 02:16:07,600 important 2962 02:16:07,590 --> 02:16:10,200 question already, and I'm glad to hear that it's 2963 02:16:10,200 --> 02:16:10,440 gonna come 2964 02:16:10,440 --> 02:16:13,230 to the same council staff have answered that it's 2965 02:16:13,230 --> 02:16:13,700 some minor 2966 02:16:13,700 --> 02:16:17,470 technical amendments, so I'm satisfied with that. 2967 02:16:17,470 --> 02:16:22,950 This has been a long, long in the process project 2968 02:16:22,950 --> 02:16:23,140 . 2969 02:16:23,140 --> 02:16:26,110 Councilor Hopkins and I have both talked multiple 2970 02:16:26,110 --> 02:16:26,390 times 2971 02:16:26,390 --> 02:16:28,970 with former Mayor Holder and Padre Frank Mance 2972 02:16:28,970 --> 02:16:32,330 and others involved, eager to get this done 2973 02:16:32,330 --> 02:16:33,740 in time for Remembrance Day this year 2974 02:16:33,740 --> 02:16:35,280 for the people in the Byron community. 2975 02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:37,490 So when this does come to council, 2976 02:16:37,490 --> 02:16:39,210 because it's coming to the same council, 2977 02:16:39,210 --> 02:16:40,580 I'm looking forward to supporting it 2978 02:16:40,580 --> 02:16:43,540 and moving this project forward. 2979 02:16:43,540 --> 02:16:45,550 - Thank you, looking for any final speakers 2980 02:16:45,550 --> 02:16:49,030 on the referral, seeing none will open the vote 2981 02:16:49,030 --> 02:17:00,130 on that matter. 2982 02:17:00,130 --> 02:17:08,160 - Councillor Hopkins, closing the vote, 2983 02:17:08,160 --> 02:17:10,750 the motion carries five to zero. 2984 02:17:10,750 --> 02:17:12,980 - Thank you, that concludes our deferred matters 2985 02:17:12,980 --> 02:17:15,380 and I do not have any notice of additional 2986 02:17:15,380 --> 02:17:16,010 business. 2987 02:17:16,010 --> 02:17:19,070 So with that, we'll move to confidential session 2988 02:17:19,070 --> 02:17:22,730 of which the reasons are in the agenda. 2989 02:17:22,730 --> 02:17:25,440 We will deal with 6.1 and 6.2, 2990 02:17:25,440 --> 02:17:27,820 looking for a mover and seconder, Councillor 2991 02:17:27,820 --> 02:17:28,340 Hopkins, 2992 02:17:28,340 --> 02:17:33,030 Councillor Trossa, thank you. 2993 02:17:33,030 --> 02:17:44,630 With that, we'll open the vote. 2994 02:17:44,630 --> 02:17:49,980 Councillor Hopkins votes yes. 2995 02:17:49,980 --> 02:17:52,820 voting the vote, the motion carries five to zero. 2996 02:17:52,820 --> 02:17:53,620 - Thank you. 2997 02:17:53,620 --> 02:18:47,240 We'll just take a moment to prepare the room. 2998 02:18:47,240 --> 02:18:49,080 Thank you, Councillor Perbville. 2999 02:18:49,080 --> 02:18:51,420 If I may ask you to report out from closed 3000 02:18:51,420 --> 02:18:53,880 session. 3001 02:18:53,880 --> 02:18:55,590 - Thank you, Chair, and I would like to report 3002 02:18:55,590 --> 02:19:00,050 that progress has been made in the 2.6.1 and 6.2 3003 02:19:00,050 --> 02:19:02,410 that our committee went into the camera. 3004 02:19:02,410 --> 02:19:04,160 Thank you. 3005 02:19:04,160 --> 02:19:04,980 - Thank you. 3006 02:19:04,980 --> 02:19:06,650 And with that, I will look for a motion to 3007 02:19:06,650 --> 02:19:07,290 adjourn. 3008 02:19:07,290 --> 02:19:09,240 Okay, Councillor Joceau, Councillor Hopkins, 3009 02:19:09,240 --> 02:19:13,110 thank you by hand, all in favor. 3010 02:19:13,110 --> 02:19:14,300 - Motion carries. 3011 02:19:14,300 --> 02:19:15,140 - Thank you, everyone. 3012 02:19:15,140 --> 02:19:15,290 [BLANK_AUDIO]