1 00:12:16,710 --> 00:19:49,080 Okay, thank you. Please be seated. Okay, welcome 2 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,620 to the June 2nd meeting of councils in the 9th 3 00:19:52,620 --> 00:19:55,700 meeting of council of this session. I'm going to 4 00:19:55,700 --> 00:19:59,570 start with land acknowledgement. We are, we 5 00:19:59,570 --> 00:20:00,970 acknowledge that we are gathered today on the 6 00:20:00,970 --> 00:20:04,900 traditional lands of the Anishinaabek, Haudenos 7 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:06,660 aunee, Lani Paywalk, and Haudenosaunee peoples. We 8 00:20:06,660 --> 00:20:07,240 honor respect the history languages and culture 9 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,910 of the diverse indigenous people who call this 10 00:20:08,910 --> 00:20:11,730 territory home. We acknowledge all of the trees 11 00:20:11,730 --> 00:20:13,240 that are specific to this area. 12 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,360 The two row Wampum Bell Treaty of the Haudenosaun 13 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:17,940 ee Confederacy, Silver Covenant Chain, Beaver 14 00:20:17,940 --> 00:20:18,180 Hunting 15 00:20:18,180 --> 00:20:21,420 Grounds of the Haudenosaunee and Fan Treaty of 17 16 00:20:21,420 --> 00:20:23,980 01, the McKee Treaty of 1790, the London 17 00:20:23,980 --> 00:20:27,590 Township Treaty of 1796, the Huron Track Treaty 18 00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:30,520 of 1827 with the Anishinaabek and the Dish 19 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,510 With One Spoon Covenant Wampum of the Anishinaab 20 00:20:32,510 --> 00:20:33,790 ek and Haudenosaunee. 21 00:20:33,790 --> 00:20:35,970 Three indigenous nations that are neighbors to 22 00:20:35,970 --> 00:20:37,420 London are the Chippewas of the Thames 23 00:20:37,420 --> 00:20:39,800 First Nation, Oneida Nation of the Thames, and 24 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,780 the Muncie Delaware Nation all continue 25 00:20:41,780 --> 00:20:45,530 to live as sovereign nations with individual and 26 00:20:45,530 --> 00:20:48,140 unique languages, cultures, and customs. 27 00:20:48,140 --> 00:20:54,070 I also wanted to add that the City of London is 28 00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:55,780 committed to making every effort to provide 29 00:20:55,780 --> 00:20:57,650 alternate formats and communication supports for 30 00:20:57,650 --> 00:20:59,910 meetings upon request. To make a request 31 00:20:59,910 --> 00:21:02,900 specific to this meeting, please contact Council 32 00:21:02,900 --> 00:21:14,580 Agenda, or 519-661-2489, extension 2425. 33 00:21:14,580 --> 00:21:16,430 And now it's my pleasure to introduce the 34 00:21:16,430 --> 00:21:19,040 National Anthem Singer. 35 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,080 Kirsten Renee is a country pop singer-songwriter 36 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,900 from right here in London, Ontario. 37 00:21:23,900 --> 00:21:29,180 This past March marked the 20th year of tuning, 38 00:21:29,180 --> 00:21:30,230 excuse me, this past March marked the 20th 39 00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:33,330 year of tuning, turning real life experiences 40 00:21:33,330 --> 00:21:34,960 into relatable songs. 41 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,960 Now entering a new chapter as an independent 42 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,350 artist, she's back with new music and a fresh 43 00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:40,510 perspective. 44 00:21:40,510 --> 00:21:44,540 Her upcoming single "Waves" is set to roll in 45 00:21:44,540 --> 00:21:47,760 this summer, marking an exciting return 46 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,550 to the studio. Kristin is also a past recipient 47 00:21:50,550 --> 00:21:52,950 of the contemporary singer/songwriter award, 48 00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:56,150 the Forest City London Music Awards. They kick 49 00:21:56,150 --> 00:21:57,710 off the Forest City London Music Week this 50 00:21:57,710 --> 00:22:00,350 Friday. Please rise and join me in welcoming 51 00:22:00,350 --> 00:22:02,290 Kristin who will now sing the National Anthem 52 00:22:02,290 --> 00:22:16,180 for us. 53 00:22:16,180 --> 00:22:24,570 ♪ O Canada, our native land ♪ 54 00:22:24,570 --> 00:22:31,980 ♪ True patriot love ♪ 55 00:22:31,980 --> 00:22:40,830 ♪ In the glowing heart ♪ 56 00:22:40,830 --> 00:22:44,080 ♪ We see the rise ♪ 57 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:49,410 ♪ The true north strong and free ♪ 58 00:22:49,410 --> 00:22:55,930 ♪ For Canada ♪ 59 00:22:55,930 --> 00:23:04,020 ♪ We stand on guard for thee ♪ 60 00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:19,580 ♪ Keep our larry, we stand on guard ♪ 61 00:23:19,580 --> 00:23:32,430 ♪ For thee, we stand on guard ♪ 62 00:23:32,430 --> 00:24:52,320 - We're gonna move to disclosures of pecuniary 63 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:52,690 interest. 64 00:24:52,690 --> 00:24:57,060 I'll look for any closures. 65 00:24:57,060 --> 00:24:58,550 Head, Councillor Frank. 66 00:24:58,550 --> 00:25:01,810 - Thank you on the CAHPS report. 67 00:25:01,810 --> 00:25:05,980 I am 8.2, item five, 2.4. 68 00:25:05,980 --> 00:25:07,490 Tans Valley District School Board in the City 69 00:25:07,490 --> 00:25:09,510 of London Joint Use of Facilities Agreement. 70 00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:11,760 I have an indirect conflict as my spouse 71 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:18,560 is currently employed by the school board. 72 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,230 - Okay, other, sorry, disclosures of your 73 00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:27,230 interest. 74 00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:29,530 Okay, seeing none, I'm gonna move to the podium 75 00:25:29,530 --> 00:25:32,210 for the first recognition, and then I'll do 76 00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:33,160 second back here, 77 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,860 and then I'll look for any others after that, 78 00:25:34,860 --> 00:26:21,100 so just give me one second. 79 00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:25,760 Okay, I'm gonna have Jamie, Lynn, Easter, 80 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,520 and any loved ones you'd or friends you'd like to 81 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:29,770 bring up 82 00:26:29,770 --> 00:26:31,870 with you to come up to the front. 83 00:26:31,870 --> 00:26:33,180 Sometimes I read it, and then I bring it up 84 00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:33,510 afterwards, 85 00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:34,560 but I want you to be up here, 86 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,410 will we say all these nice things about you 87 00:26:36,410 --> 00:26:38,160 because today is a day that we get 88 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,280 to present the Tim Hickman Award and I want to 89 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,690 stand here today in recognition 90 00:26:43,690 --> 00:26:46,960 of Jamie Lynn Easter who is this year's recipient 91 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,080 recipient of the Tim Hickman 92 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,590 Memorial Health and Safety Scholarship. Tim Hick 93 00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:52,920 man lost his life while serving 94 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,080 his community at just 21 years old. The 95 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,280 scholarship was established in 2006 to 96 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,680 honor his memory by reinforcing the importance of 97 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:00,730 health and safety in 98 00:27:00,730 --> 00:27:03,290 in every workplace throughout our community. 99 00:27:03,290 --> 00:27:05,720 As mayor, you're not just a public representative 100 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:05,820 , 101 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:06,910 you're the head of an organization 102 00:27:06,910 --> 00:27:08,260 that employs thousands of people. 103 00:27:08,260 --> 00:27:10,320 So I know that there is no greater responsibility 104 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,010 than ensuring that each of our people return home 105 00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:13,850 safely 106 00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:15,610 at the end of each work day. 107 00:27:15,610 --> 00:27:19,520 Tim's legacy ensures that we make that commitment 108 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,310 a matter and matter with meaning. 109 00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:24,410 We must continue to build a culture of health and 110 00:27:24,410 --> 00:27:25,690 safety, 111 00:27:25,690 --> 00:27:26,670 which are always a priority. 112 00:27:26,670 --> 00:27:28,860 And this year's recipient truly embodies 113 00:27:28,860 --> 00:27:30,960 everything that that means. 114 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,270 Jamie Ann Easter recently graduated 115 00:27:33,270 --> 00:27:35,450 from the Bachelor of Science and Nursing program 116 00:27:35,450 --> 00:27:36,800 at the University of Windsor 117 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,900 and brings experience across a wide range 118 00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:41,130 of healthcare settings, including medical 119 00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:42,560 surgical care, 120 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,090 maternal newborn health, mental health, and 121 00:27:45,090 --> 00:27:46,250 community care. 122 00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:48,750 Inspired by her nursing education and experiences 123 00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:50,930 as a mother, Jamie has a strong interest 124 00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:53,460 in injury prevention, health promotion, 125 00:27:53,460 --> 00:27:54,530 particularly for children 126 00:27:54,530 --> 00:27:57,050 and other vulnerable members of our community. 127 00:27:57,050 --> 00:27:58,490 Her commitment to building knowledge 128 00:27:58,490 --> 00:28:00,880 and taking practical action reflects the kind 129 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,210 leadership and dedication that this scholarship 130 00:28:03,210 --> 00:28:06,910 was made for. Jamie, thank you for the work that 131 00:28:06,910 --> 00:28:08,730 you've already done and for the impact you will 132 00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:10,770 continue to have throughout your career. Our 133 00:28:10,770 --> 00:28:12,710 community will be stronger and safer because of 134 00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:16,190 people like you. I also want to thank QP Local 135 00:28:16,190 --> 00:28:16,900 107 136 00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:19,410 and the Hickman family for their ongoing support 137 00:28:19,410 --> 00:28:22,140 of this scholarship. So Tim's memory continues to 138 00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:24,880 educate future generations and build a safer 139 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,420 London for all. Congratulations Jamie and 140 00:28:28,420 --> 00:28:28,910 congratulations 141 00:28:28,910 --> 00:28:30,900 to everyone who has helped make this scholarship 142 00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:32,290 possible not just this year 143 00:28:32,290 --> 00:28:35,080 but over all of the years and Jamie I don't know 144 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,140 if you wanted to share a few 145 00:28:36,140 --> 00:28:37,880 words I didn't put you on the spot I asked ahead 146 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:38,950 of time so you want to share 147 00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:42,330 a couple thoughts right right up here so people 148 00:28:42,330 --> 00:28:44,440 hi I just want to say thank you 149 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,770 guys for choosing me as this year's recipient I 150 00:28:46,770 --> 00:28:48,270 truly enjoyed learning more 151 00:28:48,270 --> 00:28:50,890 and more about Tim and developing the reading 152 00:28:50,890 --> 00:28:53,060 safety education program and I'm 153 00:28:53,060 --> 00:28:56,070 excited to see how far we can take this so thank 154 00:28:56,070 --> 00:29:04,610 you thank you very much we're 155 00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:14,310 we're looking for a picture here, so thank you. 156 00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:15,740 In case you're wondering, she got her check 157 00:29:15,740 --> 00:29:16,020 earlier, 158 00:29:16,020 --> 00:29:18,650 so we took care of that. 159 00:29:18,650 --> 00:29:19,780 It might already be in the bank, 160 00:29:19,780 --> 00:29:45,950 so all right, I'll return to my station here. 161 00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:50,020 Okay colleagues, I have two other recognitions to 162 00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:50,230 do, 163 00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:52,190 and then I'll look for any other members 164 00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:56,170 of council who would like to do one. 165 00:29:56,170 --> 00:30:00,420 Two of them relate to June 6th, which is this 166 00:30:00,420 --> 00:30:01,130 coming weekend. 167 00:30:01,130 --> 00:30:03,860 This is the closest council meeting to that date, 168 00:30:03,860 --> 00:30:07,190 And the first recognition I want to do is for D- 169 00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:08,480 Day. 170 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,770 We know, if you've been in City Hall 171 00:30:10,770 --> 00:30:14,310 and you've traveled to the first floor, 172 00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:18,440 our city has a deep history of military service. 173 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,550 We have multiple active military branches in our 174 00:30:22,550 --> 00:30:23,790 city today. 175 00:30:23,790 --> 00:30:26,660 We have many vibrant veterans, community, and 176 00:30:26,660 --> 00:30:27,050 legions 177 00:30:27,050 --> 00:30:28,400 across the city. 178 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,360 And each year on D-Day, we recognize 179 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,570 those who sacrificed and gave the greatest 180 00:30:34,570 --> 00:30:35,560 sacrifice 181 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,060 to help liberate Europe in one of the greatest 182 00:30:38,060 --> 00:30:38,410 battles 183 00:30:38,410 --> 00:30:40,760 that the world has ever seen. 184 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,880 The force was relentless. 185 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,730 The courage was unimaginable. 186 00:30:45,730 --> 00:30:48,820 And for the men and women who served on that day, 187 00:30:48,820 --> 00:30:51,510 we cannot thank them enough for turning the tide 188 00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:52,460 of the war 189 00:30:52,460 --> 00:30:56,840 and leading to the widespread democratic freedoms 190 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,600 and countries that live freely and openly across 191 00:30:59,600 --> 00:30:59,950 the globe 192 00:30:59,950 --> 00:31:02,350 today who are able to do so. 193 00:31:02,350 --> 00:31:05,020 I think as we reflect on those sorts of days, 194 00:31:05,020 --> 00:31:06,500 each of us have this great honor 195 00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:08,290 to serve in this chamber in public office. 196 00:31:08,290 --> 00:31:10,020 And we get to cast votes and we get to make 197 00:31:10,020 --> 00:31:10,370 decisions 198 00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:11,920 as we will today at council. 199 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,120 And we have to always pause and remember 200 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,030 that our free and open democracy 201 00:31:16,030 --> 00:31:18,080 that we practice right here in this council 202 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:18,750 chambers 203 00:31:18,750 --> 00:31:22,020 is earned with the sacrifice of those 204 00:31:22,020 --> 00:31:24,540 who serve our military branches, those who 205 00:31:24,540 --> 00:31:25,330 support them, 206 00:31:25,330 --> 00:31:27,690 and those who have contributed over decades 207 00:31:27,690 --> 00:31:30,510 and generations protecting this country and this 208 00:31:30,510 --> 00:31:30,960 democracy. 209 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,790 So I wanted to recognize that today 210 00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:37,120 because it's coming up this weekend. 211 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,830 The other significant recognition in our 212 00:31:38,830 --> 00:31:39,620 community 213 00:31:39,620 --> 00:31:41,560 is for our London family. 214 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,930 And this is the fifth anniversary 215 00:31:43,930 --> 00:31:45,870 of the tragic terrorist attack 216 00:31:45,870 --> 00:31:49,040 that happened in the northwest corner of our city 217 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:49,250 . 218 00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:55,980 I know many members of council will be there this 219 00:31:55,980 --> 00:31:56,720 weekend 220 00:31:56,950 --> 00:32:00,120 to reflect, to memorialize, and to think about 221 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:00,510 our London 222 00:32:00,510 --> 00:32:03,140 family and the family members that we lost. 223 00:32:03,140 --> 00:32:06,650 Family who was simply going for a walk down the 224 00:32:06,650 --> 00:32:06,860 street 225 00:32:06,860 --> 00:32:10,940 crossing South carriage road in Hyde Park. 226 00:32:10,940 --> 00:32:13,130 Family who enjoyed gardening. 227 00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:15,270 Family who we've recognized multiple years. 228 00:32:15,270 --> 00:32:18,110 And a community that is greatly impacted by the 229 00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:18,470 loss 230 00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:19,490 of those members. 231 00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:24,410 Not just because of the onslaught of Islamophobia 232 00:32:24,410 --> 00:32:25,300 and hate 233 00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:28,530 that that act of terrorism represented, 234 00:32:28,530 --> 00:32:32,100 but the loss of caring, valuable, committed 235 00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:33,650 community members 236 00:32:33,650 --> 00:32:35,790 who made so many contributions to this community 237 00:32:35,790 --> 00:32:37,420 in so many ways. 238 00:32:37,420 --> 00:32:39,870 There are murals in this city, there are gardens, 239 00:32:39,870 --> 00:32:44,730 there are impacts on lives in that neighborhood 240 00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:49,270 that ended on that horrific day. 241 00:32:49,270 --> 00:32:54,020 I was the word counselor at the time 242 00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:56,430 and I remember the great impact 243 00:32:56,430 --> 00:32:59,150 that it had on the neighborhood. 244 00:32:59,150 --> 00:33:01,910 people were shocked that this kind of thing could 245 00:33:01,910 --> 00:33:03,520 have happened just down the road from 246 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,700 where people live and people play in your 247 00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:11,150 municipal park. It had such a profound wide 248 00:33:11,150 --> 00:33:14,050 impact that it quickly spread nationally for the 249 00:33:14,050 --> 00:33:15,950 impacts that that had. And we've seen 250 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:19,710 acts of hate again and again in this country and 251 00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:22,640 in other parts of the world. And I think 252 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,730 June 6, especially a significant recognition like 253 00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:29,160 the 5th year, is a chance for us to recommit 254 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,720 to stomping out hate in all of its forms. 255 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,270 Whether it's Islamophobia, anti-Semitism, bigotry 256 00:33:35,270 --> 00:33:35,430 , 257 00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:38,650 sexism, those sorts of things have no place 258 00:33:38,650 --> 00:33:40,530 in a community like London. 259 00:33:40,530 --> 00:33:41,970 And we have so many things to be proud of 260 00:33:41,970 --> 00:33:44,260 because the way the community came together 261 00:33:44,260 --> 00:33:45,790 in the aftermath of that, 262 00:33:45,790 --> 00:33:48,440 the way the multi-faith community came together 263 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,050 is something that inspired many people, 264 00:33:50,050 --> 00:33:52,250 not just in this city, but across this nation. 265 00:33:52,250 --> 00:33:56,360 And so, I just want everybody, 266 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,140 I'm gonna ask for actually a moment of silence 267 00:33:58,140 --> 00:33:59,690 for the family members we lost, 268 00:33:59,690 --> 00:34:01,200 and we can add that to the moment of silence 269 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,560 for D-Day as well, but we'll take a moment of 270 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:04,940 silence 271 00:34:04,940 --> 00:34:07,760 and I know that it'll be a somber weekend 272 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,150 for us here in the four cities. 273 00:34:09,150 --> 00:34:41,610 So thank you, please be seated. 274 00:34:41,610 --> 00:34:53,650 Are there any other recognitions? 275 00:34:53,650 --> 00:34:55,420 I just wanna recognize a number of colleagues 276 00:34:55,420 --> 00:34:57,580 have joined us online as well. 277 00:34:57,580 --> 00:35:00,620 We have Councillor Ferrera, Deputy Mayor Lewis, 278 00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:05,550 Councillor Palosa, and Councillor Hillier as well 279 00:35:05,550 --> 00:35:05,650 . 280 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,410 So they'll be participating remotely today. 281 00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:11,580 Appreciate their presence, if not in the chambers 282 00:35:11,580 --> 00:35:11,680 , 283 00:35:11,580 --> 00:35:13,150 go ahead virtually. 284 00:35:13,150 --> 00:35:15,080 Okay, we'll work through the agenda today, 285 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,120 which means we're on to item three review 286 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,670 of confidential matters because there are none. 287 00:35:20,670 --> 00:35:22,240 That brings us to council and closed session. 288 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:24,780 There are three matters for which we need 289 00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:26,660 to go into closed session four. 290 00:35:26,660 --> 00:35:28,780 I look for a motion to go into closed session 291 00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:30,320 for colleagues, Councillor Vameira-Bergens, 292 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,290 seconded by Councillor Hopkins. 293 00:35:32,290 --> 00:35:34,270 Any discussion on closed session? 294 00:35:34,270 --> 00:35:43,750 Can't we open that for voting? 295 00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:45,990 - So votes yes. 296 00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:49,080 - No to thank you. 297 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,030 - So frank votes yes. 298 00:35:52,030 --> 00:36:02,950 - No to the Lewis. 299 00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:07,650 That can call for Councillor Lewis. 300 00:36:07,650 --> 00:36:09,170 working on it though for e-scribe, 301 00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:12,120 but Councilor Luz will vote yes. 302 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,440 - No to thank you, closing the vote. 303 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,690 Motion carries 14 to zero. 304 00:36:18,690 --> 00:36:20,840 - Okay, we'll go to committee room five 305 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,020 for those members of the public. 306 00:36:23,020 --> 00:36:24,740 We'll return shortly after we're done our in- 307 00:36:24,740 --> 01:07:38,490 camera session. 308 01:07:38,490 --> 01:07:45,390 Okay, please be seated. 309 01:07:45,390 --> 01:07:48,030 Okay, that concludes our in-camera session. 310 01:07:48,030 --> 01:07:49,370 We're on to confirmation and signing 311 01:07:49,370 --> 01:07:50,550 of the previous minutes. 312 01:07:50,550 --> 01:07:52,960 We have the minutes from the eighth meeting, 313 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,580 which was held on May 12th, 2026. 314 01:07:55,580 --> 01:07:57,900 I'll look for a mover, Councilor Vamereberg 315 01:07:57,900 --> 01:08:00,070 and seconded by Councilor McAllister. 316 01:08:00,070 --> 01:08:03,930 Any discussion on the minutes? 317 01:08:03,930 --> 01:08:21,330 Okay, seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 318 01:08:21,330 --> 01:08:24,110 - Mr. Lewis, Councillor Trussell. 319 01:08:24,110 --> 01:08:25,680 - I'm still having problems with these. 320 01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,020 Councillor Lewis votes yes. 321 01:08:27,020 --> 01:08:28,360 - Yes, me too. 322 01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:36,060 Councillor Trussell votes yes. 323 01:08:36,060 --> 01:08:37,250 - No to thank you, closing the vote. 324 01:08:37,250 --> 01:08:40,810 Motion carries 14-0. 325 01:08:40,810 --> 01:08:42,980 - Okay, that's on to communications and petitions 326 01:08:42,980 --> 01:08:43,220 . 327 01:08:43,220 --> 01:08:45,560 You'll see we have five items before us. 328 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,910 The first two relate to expropriation of lands. 329 01:08:48,910 --> 01:08:51,360 So we're gonna deal with those two first. 330 01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:53,680 And then we can move to a motion to refer the 331 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:54,470 other items 332 01:08:54,470 --> 01:09:05,160 into the relevant sections of the agenda. 333 01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:06,120 - Okay, colleagues. 334 01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:10,490 So we're gonna go through the expropriation 335 01:09:10,490 --> 01:09:11,070 process, 336 01:09:11,070 --> 01:09:15,040 which means we'll first consider a motion 337 01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,340 that council convene as the approving authority 338 01:09:17,340 --> 01:09:17,810 pursuant 339 01:09:17,810 --> 01:09:20,670 to the provisions of the expropriations act, RSO, 340 01:09:20,670 --> 01:09:24,620 1990 CE 26 as amended for the purpose 341 01:09:24,620 --> 01:09:26,250 of considering communication number two 342 01:09:26,250 --> 01:09:28,560 from the deputy city manager environment and 343 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:29,220 infrastructure 344 01:09:29,220 --> 01:09:31,520 with respect to the expropriation of lands 345 01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,670 that may be required for the project known 346 01:09:33,670 --> 01:09:36,430 as the Wellington Gateway Project civil works 347 01:09:36,430 --> 01:09:37,660 dash phase two. 348 01:09:37,660 --> 01:09:39,430 So this is the motion. 349 01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:40,920 I'm gonna look for a mover and a seconder for us 350 01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:41,680 to sit 351 01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,930 and convene as the approving authority. 352 01:09:43,930 --> 01:09:48,300 Councillor Cuddy, seconded by Councillor Frank. 353 01:09:48,300 --> 01:09:55,920 We'll open that for voting. 354 01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:04,160 - Councillor votes yes. 355 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:20,280 - Those on the vote, motion carries 13 to one. 356 01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,300 - By now I'm gonna ask for a mover and a seconder 357 01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:25,420 for the following motion and then there is a 358 01:10:25,420 --> 01:10:26,210 delegation 359 01:10:26,210 --> 01:10:29,380 that's been requested on the matter. 360 01:10:29,380 --> 01:10:31,090 So I'll read the motion out 361 01:10:31,090 --> 01:10:34,150 and then I'll look for mover and a seconder. 362 01:10:34,150 --> 01:10:35,870 That on the recommendation of the deputy city 363 01:10:35,870 --> 01:10:36,140 manager 364 01:10:36,140 --> 01:10:38,420 environment infrastructure with the concurrence 365 01:10:38,420 --> 01:10:39,610 of the director of construction and 366 01:10:39,610 --> 01:10:40,660 infrastructure services 367 01:10:40,660 --> 01:10:42,840 on the advice of the director of realty services 368 01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:44,620 with respect to the expropriation of lands 369 01:10:44,620 --> 01:10:46,810 that may be required for the project known 370 01:10:46,810 --> 01:10:48,180 as Wellington Gateway Project, 371 01:10:48,180 --> 01:10:49,990 the following actions be taken. 372 01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:53,570 A, Council of the Corporation of City of London 373 01:10:53,570 --> 01:10:55,070 as the approving authority pursuant 374 01:10:55,070 --> 01:10:59,170 to the expropriations act, RSO 1990 section E26, 375 01:10:59,170 --> 01:11:02,660 as amended, hereby approves the proposed expropri 376 01:11:02,660 --> 01:11:02,900 ation 377 01:11:02,900 --> 01:11:06,010 lands as described in Schedule A attached to your 378 01:11:06,010 --> 01:11:08,130 two in the City of London County of Middlesex, 379 01:11:08,130 --> 01:11:10,470 it being noted that the reasons for making this 380 01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:14,710 decision are as follows. I subject lands are 381 01:11:14,710 --> 01:11:16,510 required by the Corporation of the City of London 382 01:11:16,510 --> 01:11:17,920 for the Wellington Gateway Project, 383 01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,460 II. The design of the project will address the 384 01:11:20,460 --> 01:11:22,690 current and future transportation demands along 385 01:11:22,690 --> 01:11:25,820 the corridor, and II. The design is in accordance 386 01:11:25,820 --> 01:11:28,370 with the Municipal Class Environmental Assessment 387 01:11:28,370 --> 01:11:31,100 Study Recommendations for the Wellington Gateway 388 01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:33,630 Project approved by Municipal Council at its 389 01:11:33,630 --> 01:11:37,830 It's meeting held May 21st, 2019 and B, 390 01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:40,150 subject to the approval of A above. 391 01:11:40,150 --> 01:11:42,930 Certificate of approval be issued by the city 392 01:11:42,930 --> 01:11:43,210 clerk 393 01:11:43,210 --> 01:11:45,210 on behalf of the approving authority in the 394 01:11:45,210 --> 01:11:46,680 prescribed form. 395 01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,240 It being noted that a request for a hearing of 396 01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:49,830 necessity 397 01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:53,170 in relations to parts five, six, seven and eight 398 01:11:53,170 --> 01:11:58,150 on plan 33R 22025 and part nine on plan 33R 22025 399 01:11:58,150 --> 01:12:02,880 was received and a hearing was conducted 400 01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,910 on April 8th and 9th, 2026. 401 01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:08,340 The findings and opinion of the inquiry officer 402 01:12:08,340 --> 01:12:12,170 are attached here to as schedule. 403 01:12:12,170 --> 01:12:15,650 I look for a mover and a seconder for that motion 404 01:12:15,650 --> 01:12:15,750 . 405 01:12:15,650 --> 01:12:20,140 Councilor Frank, seconded by Councilor Troso. 406 01:12:20,140 --> 01:12:22,890 So with that motion on the floor, 407 01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:26,920 I can turn it over to hear the delegation on the 408 01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:27,580 matter. 409 01:12:27,580 --> 01:12:31,410 And I believe they're joining us virtually. 410 01:12:31,410 --> 01:12:34,220 And so if you could, you could introduce 411 01:12:34,220 --> 01:12:34,650 yourselves 412 01:12:34,650 --> 01:12:36,330 and then we will hear the delegation on the 413 01:12:36,330 --> 01:12:36,910 matter. 414 01:12:36,910 --> 01:12:38,470 So go ahead. 415 01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:40,390 - Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor, can you hear me 416 01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:40,630 ? 417 01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:42,280 - Absolutely, you're coming through loud and 418 01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:42,880 clear. 419 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,050 - Excellent, thank you. 420 01:12:44,050 --> 01:12:45,810 My name is Brendan O'Callahan 421 01:12:45,810 --> 01:12:49,270 and I'm a partner here at Ayrton Burles. 422 01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:52,060 I represent Skyline Retail Real Estate Holdings, 423 01:12:52,060 --> 01:12:53,490 which is the owner of the mall 424 01:12:53,490 --> 01:12:58,290 located at 387 and 401 Wellington Road in the 425 01:12:58,290 --> 01:12:58,460 city. 426 01:12:58,460 --> 01:13:00,490 I'm an expropriation litigation lawyer 427 01:13:00,490 --> 01:13:02,600 and I've been involved in this file now 428 01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:06,230 with city staff and others for over a year. 429 01:13:06,230 --> 01:13:08,370 I've submitted a letter, it's on your agenda. 430 01:13:08,370 --> 01:13:10,310 And if you haven't read it yet, I commend it to 431 01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:10,780 you. 432 01:13:10,780 --> 01:13:13,510 I'm going to touch on a couple of the highlights 433 01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:15,780 in that letter. 434 01:13:15,780 --> 01:13:19,540 The central issue that my client has, Mr. Mayor, 435 01:13:19,540 --> 01:13:23,850 is that in the process of the expropriation, 436 01:13:23,850 --> 01:13:26,400 staff have made the determination 437 01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,990 that they would like to eliminate what my client 438 01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:30,470 currently 439 01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:33,700 enjoys in terms of access onto Wellington Road. 440 01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:37,400 My client currently has a full movement's access 441 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,080 on to Wellington Road, which as you know, 442 01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,950 means that cars can make a left or a right in 443 01:13:41,950 --> 01:13:43,820 and the left or a right out. 444 01:13:43,820 --> 01:13:46,590 Staff are proposing in the context of the exp 445 01:13:46,590 --> 01:13:47,130 ropriation 446 01:13:47,130 --> 01:13:51,290 to take away that existing full moves access 447 01:13:51,290 --> 01:13:54,820 and replace it with a right in right out only, 448 01:13:54,820 --> 01:13:58,450 which is very significant to my client. 449 01:13:58,450 --> 01:14:01,850 And I wanna start off as well by being very clear 450 01:14:01,850 --> 01:14:04,000 with you and the members of council 451 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,430 that my client is not in any way opposed 452 01:14:06,430 --> 01:14:09,740 the BRT project. The BRT project is a necessary 453 01:14:09,740 --> 01:14:11,220 and important project. We're not trying to 454 01:14:11,220 --> 01:14:14,430 slow it down or change it. All we are looking for 455 01:14:14,430 --> 01:14:18,170 , Mr. Mayor, in the process is the opportunity 456 01:14:18,170 --> 01:14:22,750 to retain our existing full movements access. And 457 01:14:22,750 --> 01:14:25,750 the change is significant as proposed by staff 458 01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:28,810 because it will set up a very, very substantial 459 01:14:28,810 --> 01:14:33,980 injurious affection claim. The expropriations act 460 01:14:33,980 --> 01:14:37,560 allows a number of different types of damages to 461 01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,030 be sought against the expropriating authority, 462 01:14:40,030 --> 01:14:43,040 in this case, the city of London. And in this 463 01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,740 circumstance, the injurious affection claim is 464 01:14:45,740 --> 01:14:45,990 very 465 01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:49,920 dramatic. What injurious affection means is it's 466 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,130 not the market value of the lands that are exp 467 01:14:53,130 --> 01:14:53,790 ropriated, 468 01:14:53,790 --> 01:14:57,780 which in this circumstance are not that extensive 469 01:14:57,780 --> 01:15:01,390 , but the loss to the remaining lands that are of 470 01:15:01,390 --> 01:15:04,480 of the mall that are not expropriated is dramatic 471 01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:04,720 . 472 01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,550 My client has retained both in appraiser 473 01:15:07,550 --> 01:15:10,760 and a transportation consultant to estimate that 474 01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:11,420 amount. 475 01:15:11,420 --> 01:15:13,930 The amount has been identified in the letter 476 01:15:13,930 --> 01:15:16,560 as being a minimum of $12 million, 477 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,160 which is very significant. 478 01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,350 And the way that we have calculated that 479 01:15:20,350 --> 01:15:23,780 is that the loss of access will discourage 480 01:15:23,780 --> 01:15:24,720 customers, 481 01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,780 tenants, and their patrons from coming to and 482 01:15:27,780 --> 01:15:30,000 from the mall. 483 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,750 Mall patrons have choices. 484 01:15:31,750 --> 01:15:34,450 And if they can't access my client's property, 485 01:15:34,450 --> 01:15:35,910 they will go to a different mall. 486 01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:37,900 They will find a different source. 487 01:15:37,900 --> 01:15:40,710 And that will result over the long term of a loss 488 01:15:40,710 --> 01:15:41,850 of tenants. 489 01:15:41,850 --> 01:15:44,470 It will result in a lower tier of tenants. 490 01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:47,060 It will result in longer vacancy periods of 491 01:15:47,060 --> 01:15:48,040 tendencies. 492 01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,900 It will result in lower percentage rents. 493 01:15:50,900 --> 01:15:54,630 And those ultimately add up to something in 494 01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:55,090 excess 495 01:15:55,090 --> 01:15:57,910 of $12 million, which is what we would have to 496 01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:58,860 claim for 497 01:15:58,860 --> 01:16:02,620 if the city is going to pursue the elimination 498 01:16:02,620 --> 01:16:07,320 of the full turning movements expropriation. 499 01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,230 And so the other component that I'll just point 500 01:16:10,230 --> 01:16:10,350 out 501 01:16:10,350 --> 01:16:12,230 with regard to the injurious affection claim, 502 01:16:12,230 --> 01:16:15,660 sir, is that that's just my client, 503 01:16:15,660 --> 01:16:16,830 which is the mall owner. 504 01:16:16,830 --> 01:16:19,870 Every one of the 2010s would also have the right 505 01:16:19,870 --> 01:16:22,960 to bring a claim if they lost business as well 506 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:24,070 against the municipality. 507 01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:26,980 And of course that burden has to fall on the 508 01:16:26,980 --> 01:16:27,860 taxpayers. 509 01:16:27,860 --> 01:16:30,750 The Appropriations Act is very generous. 510 01:16:30,750 --> 01:16:32,950 The definition of owner actually includes a 511 01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:33,610 tenant, 512 01:16:33,610 --> 01:16:36,380 and so all of the tenants could also bring their 513 01:16:36,380 --> 01:16:37,730 own claims. 514 01:16:37,730 --> 01:16:40,300 And so what I'm here to ask, sir, 515 01:16:40,300 --> 01:16:44,960 is that you take what in my respectful submission 516 01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,670 is a relatively easy and inexpensive avenue out, 517 01:16:48,670 --> 01:16:51,590 which is to allow my client to keep the full 518 01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:52,090 moves. 519 01:16:52,090 --> 01:16:55,480 My client is not interested in a large windfall 520 01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:57,800 the term in the form of an injury is affection 521 01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,420 claim. My client genuinely wants to keep the 522 01:17:00,420 --> 01:17:03,210 full turning movement access that it currently 523 01:17:03,210 --> 01:17:06,160 enjoys. We have consistently asked staff to 524 01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,460 formalize the full turning movements access in 525 01:17:09,460 --> 01:17:12,180 the form of a signalized intersection 526 01:17:12,180 --> 01:17:15,120 in or about the location of the current full 527 01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:16,890 movements on a Wellington. 528 01:17:16,890 --> 01:17:20,450 Staff are not inclined to do that, but it is a 529 01:17:20,450 --> 01:17:23,470 simple and cost effective solution. 530 01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:27,340 a signalized intersection costs less than a half 531 01:17:27,340 --> 01:17:31,340 a million dollars and we have our transportation 532 01:17:31,340 --> 01:17:33,840 consultants have furthermore determined that the 533 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,080 impact of a signalized intersection and a full 534 01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,490 moves access where my client currently enjoys a 535 01:17:39,490 --> 01:17:42,250 full movement access will not impact the 536 01:17:42,250 --> 01:17:42,740 functioning 537 01:17:42,740 --> 01:17:45,520 of the BRT once it's up and running and so in my 538 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,170 respectful submission that is a win-win 539 01:17:48,170 --> 01:17:50,690 for both parties my client does not want to have 540 01:17:50,690 --> 01:17:52,710 to bring a large claim they want to keep what 541 01:17:52,710 --> 01:17:52,880 they 542 01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,990 already enjoy, which is that full movement access 543 01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:58,160 . And again, we're not looking to frustrate 544 01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,000 the BRT. We just want to keep what we already 545 01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,790 have and not lose anything and not be forced 546 01:18:03,790 --> 01:18:06,850 to bring a large claim. So I'm simply asking that 547 01:18:06,850 --> 01:18:08,980 Council direct staff to work with my 548 01:18:08,980 --> 01:18:12,030 client to formalize the existing full moves 549 01:18:12,030 --> 01:18:15,480 access and institute a signalized intersection 550 01:18:15,480 --> 01:18:18,660 where we currently enjoy full movements. So those 551 01:18:18,660 --> 01:18:20,770 are my submissions to you today, Mr. 552 01:18:20,770 --> 01:18:22,800 Mayor, and I thank you for your time, and I'm 553 01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:24,840 happy to answer any questions anyone may have. 554 01:18:24,840 --> 01:19:01,170 Okay, thank you. Just give me one second. Okay, I 555 01:19:01,170 --> 01:19:03,760 'll see if there's any questions or debate 556 01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:07,370 from any members of Council. Councilor Troso. 557 01:19:07,370 --> 01:19:11,920 Thank you. Through the chair, 558 01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:18,070 could staff very briefly reiterate in a nutshell 559 01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:24,670 the reason why you're not happy with the full 560 01:19:24,670 --> 01:19:27,420 in-out and that you want to limit it? Have there 561 01:19:27,420 --> 01:19:30,920 been accidents? Have we had reports of complaints 562 01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,260 from motorists or danger to pedestrians. 563 01:19:34,260 --> 01:19:37,410 Why are we taking this position? 564 01:19:37,410 --> 01:19:39,570 - So, I just, before we do that, 565 01:19:39,570 --> 01:19:41,570 I wanna go to the solicitor, 566 01:19:41,570 --> 01:19:43,510 because I understand the council wants to ask 567 01:19:43,510 --> 01:19:43,880 questions 568 01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:47,240 about signalized intersection. 569 01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,990 The, we're sitting as the approving authority 570 01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:51,990 on whether or not under municipal purpose 571 01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:54,150 to expropriate a property. 572 01:19:54,150 --> 01:19:56,810 So I just wanna, I just wanna see from the 573 01:19:56,810 --> 01:19:57,200 solicitor 574 01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:58,930 if that's within the appropriate scope 575 01:19:58,930 --> 01:20:00,860 of the approving authority or is that a 576 01:20:00,860 --> 01:20:01,340 discussion 577 01:20:01,340 --> 01:20:04,160 that's held by municipal council not sitting 578 01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:05,900 as the approval authority at a standing committee 579 01:20:05,900 --> 01:20:09,710 . 580 01:20:09,710 --> 01:20:11,210 - Thank you and through the chair. 581 01:20:11,210 --> 01:20:13,330 I think the approval authority could ask 582 01:20:13,330 --> 01:20:17,810 some general questions about the reasoning 583 01:20:17,810 --> 01:20:21,140 if it assists in making the decision. 584 01:20:21,140 --> 01:20:22,830 - Perfect, I'd just like to double check first 585 01:20:22,830 --> 01:20:23,740 to make sure everything's good. 586 01:20:23,740 --> 01:20:25,270 So Councilor Trozos has got the question 587 01:20:25,270 --> 01:20:30,240 or go to our staff for the answer. 588 01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:31,500 Go ahead Ms. Dan. 589 01:20:31,500 --> 01:20:33,340 - Thank you and through the chair. 590 01:20:33,340 --> 01:20:35,060 We agree that the skyline plazas 591 01:20:35,060 --> 01:20:37,890 an important retail destination in the city. 592 01:20:37,890 --> 01:20:39,950 Access management is a standard part 593 01:20:39,950 --> 01:20:42,860 of designing major arterial and rapid transit 594 01:20:42,860 --> 01:20:43,780 corridors. 595 01:20:43,780 --> 01:20:46,340 Signalized intersections are typically reserved 596 01:20:46,340 --> 01:20:49,140 for major public streets and consolidated access 597 01:20:49,140 --> 01:20:49,770 points 598 01:20:49,770 --> 01:20:52,610 rather than individual driveway locations. 599 01:20:52,610 --> 01:20:54,400 This approach for rapid transit 600 01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,360 and for larger arterial corridors is not unique 601 01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:58,360 to London 602 01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:00,710 and especially used on rapid transit corridors 603 01:21:00,710 --> 01:21:03,150 across Ontario and Canadian cities. 604 01:21:03,150 --> 01:21:06,740 The key considerations for our corridor function, 605 01:21:06,740 --> 01:21:07,180 safety 606 01:21:07,180 --> 01:21:08,940 and transit reliability. 607 01:21:08,940 --> 01:21:11,460 These factors guide where full movement access 608 01:21:11,460 --> 01:21:11,730 can 609 01:21:11,730 --> 01:21:13,290 and cannot be accommodated. 610 01:21:13,290 --> 01:21:15,370 In this case, the property will be continued to 611 01:21:15,370 --> 01:21:15,890 be served 612 01:21:15,890 --> 01:21:17,280 with protected turning movements 613 01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,690 to access the property at the signalized 614 01:21:19,690 --> 01:21:20,400 intersections 615 01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,840 at both baseline and commissioners road. 616 01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,150 Over time, users will adjust to new traffic 617 01:21:25,150 --> 01:21:25,710 patterns 618 01:21:25,710 --> 01:21:28,040 when there's clear signalized access options 619 01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:29,030 available. 620 01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:30,790 So I can answer any further more detailed 621 01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:31,180 questions 622 01:21:31,180 --> 01:21:33,330 if needed. 623 01:21:33,330 --> 01:21:34,950 - That's what shows up. 624 01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:36,460 - Yes, well, thank you for the chair. 625 01:21:36,460 --> 01:21:39,490 think that's a very reasonable response and I don 626 01:21:39,490 --> 01:21:43,020 't it doesn't sound to me as if anything unusual 627 01:21:43,020 --> 01:21:47,440 is happening here. I would be more comfortable if 628 01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:50,260 I had a little bit more information about the 629 01:21:50,260 --> 01:21:53,580 dangers and perils that are that are being 630 01:21:53,580 --> 01:21:56,850 presented with the with the full turn and I'm 631 01:21:56,850 --> 01:21:57,560 sure that 632 01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,380 that must have informed the staff's decision on 633 01:22:00,380 --> 01:22:03,260 this if you're not comfortable giving that that's 634 01:22:03,260 --> 01:22:07,570 that's fine but basically we're being threatened 635 01:22:07,570 --> 01:22:09,360 with, I think it's fair to say, 636 01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,310 we're being threatened with litigation if we don 637 01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:14,440 't back down from something that 638 01:22:14,440 --> 01:22:18,620 in the opinion of our staff is a standard safety 639 01:22:18,620 --> 01:22:22,160 feature and I'm just wondering if there's 640 01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:22,430 anything 641 01:22:22,430 --> 01:22:25,690 else that could be put on the record to make us 642 01:22:25,690 --> 01:22:28,900 counselors feel more comfortable that we're 643 01:22:28,900 --> 01:22:33,380 making the right decision here. I can go back to 644 01:22:33,380 --> 01:22:36,120 our engineering staff if they have anything to 645 01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:36,440 add 646 01:22:36,440 --> 01:22:41,190 based on the council's comments. Yes and through 647 01:22:41,190 --> 01:22:42,670 the chair so the concept of a 648 01:22:42,670 --> 01:22:44,750 signalized full movement intersection at this 649 01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:46,420 location was considered both 650 01:22:46,420 --> 01:22:49,340 during our TPAP environmental assessment and 651 01:22:49,340 --> 01:22:51,050 reviewed again through detailed 652 01:22:51,050 --> 01:22:53,690 design including in response to requests received 653 01:22:53,690 --> 01:22:54,650 from Skyline and its 654 01:22:54,650 --> 01:22:57,760 representatives. At each stage of the review the 655 01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:58,800 conclusion remained 656 01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,030 consistent that a signalized intersection at this 657 01:23:01,030 --> 01:23:01,910 location was not 658 01:23:01,910 --> 01:23:04,630 supported. Some of the key reasoning behind that 659 01:23:04,630 --> 01:23:05,260 one of them is 660 01:23:05,260 --> 01:23:08,300 signalized spacing. So the proposed location 661 01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:10,690 would result in a signal spacing of approximately 662 01:23:10,690 --> 01:23:12,910 200 meters between the intersections of 663 01:23:12,910 --> 01:23:16,040 commissioners and with baseline. Our access 664 01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:17,320 management guidelines 665 01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,880 and spacing guidelines for a divided arterial 666 01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,990 roadway call for a desired spacing of 800 meters 667 01:23:22,990 --> 01:23:25,960 and a minimum spacing of 400 meters. So this 668 01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:28,580 would create signal spacing well below that. 669 01:23:29,860 --> 01:23:32,240 Secondly, a mid-block traffic signal 670 01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:33,810 wouldn't operate in isolation. 671 01:23:33,810 --> 01:23:36,280 So at this location, it would be necessary 672 01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,190 to operate this as almost like three signal 673 01:23:39,190 --> 01:23:39,590 system 674 01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:41,150 between commissioners and baseline. 675 01:23:41,150 --> 01:23:43,780 And so essentially adding a third signal 676 01:23:43,780 --> 01:23:45,450 doesn't create capacity. 677 01:23:45,450 --> 01:23:48,080 It actually divides the available green time 678 01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,040 amongst the movements and it reduces the 679 01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:50,510 efficiency 680 01:23:50,510 --> 01:23:52,070 of the entire corridor. 681 01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:54,100 It also reduces the efficiency and the 682 01:23:54,100 --> 01:23:54,740 effectiveness 683 01:23:54,740 --> 01:23:57,070 of transit signal priority, which is necessary 684 01:23:57,070 --> 01:24:00,260 to support rapid transit along this corridor. 685 01:24:00,260 --> 01:24:03,410 And then lastly, pedestrians are best served 686 01:24:03,410 --> 01:24:05,680 by using existing signalized intersections 687 01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:07,640 at commissioners and baseline. 688 01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,950 Those will include pedestrian-focused design 689 01:24:09,950 --> 01:24:10,470 features 690 01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:13,000 like refuge islands in the center, stage 691 01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,100 crossings, 692 01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:16,780 adding a new mid-block signal in this location 693 01:24:16,780 --> 01:24:18,570 would actually require additional pedestrian 694 01:24:18,570 --> 01:24:19,250 crossing time 695 01:24:19,250 --> 01:24:21,600 without those features and further reduce 696 01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,240 the signal efficiency of the entire corridor. 697 01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,290 So these are just some of the main reasons 698 01:24:26,290 --> 01:24:28,110 why when we reviewed this situation 699 01:24:28,110 --> 01:24:29,980 in each of the design stages, 700 01:24:29,980 --> 01:24:32,890 We looked to protect our access points, 701 01:24:32,890 --> 01:24:34,290 consolidate them, 702 01:24:34,290 --> 01:24:37,530 and at this point, we will look to prioritize 703 01:24:37,530 --> 01:24:40,060 the broader objectives of safety, traffic 704 01:24:40,060 --> 01:24:40,840 operations, 705 01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:44,390 and transit reliability. 706 01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:47,820 - Councilor Troso. 707 01:24:47,820 --> 01:24:49,440 - Thank you, that answers my question. 708 01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:51,530 I have one final question, 709 01:24:51,530 --> 01:24:53,780 and I'm gonna frame it very, very carefully, 710 01:24:53,780 --> 01:24:56,040 'cause I don't wanna be asked to go back 711 01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:57,880 into another closed session, 712 01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:00,770 so I'm gonna keep this very general. 713 01:25:00,770 --> 01:25:05,860 Should we agree to allow the full turning? 714 01:25:05,860 --> 01:25:08,120 And there'll be accidents. 715 01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,580 Accidents is probably the wrong word. 716 01:25:10,580 --> 01:25:12,450 But there'll be incidents where people are 717 01:25:12,450 --> 01:25:14,050 injured or killed. 718 01:25:14,050 --> 01:25:16,650 I would imagine there would be litigation against 719 01:25:16,650 --> 01:25:17,380 the city. 720 01:25:17,380 --> 01:25:19,190 And I'm not gonna ask what the likelihood 721 01:25:19,190 --> 01:25:21,010 of that success would be 'cause I don't wanna go 722 01:25:21,010 --> 01:25:21,250 back 723 01:25:21,250 --> 01:25:22,800 into a closed session. 724 01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,780 But I guess my question is, would the ball be 725 01:25:25,780 --> 01:25:26,820 willing 726 01:25:26,820 --> 01:25:33,260 to underwrite sort of the defense and payment 727 01:25:33,260 --> 01:25:35,610 of any such claims. 728 01:25:35,610 --> 01:25:38,100 So the city would be held harmless 729 01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:42,130 and that risk would be absorbed by the internal 730 01:25:42,130 --> 01:25:43,040 mall. 731 01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:47,880 - Councillor, I just need to know who you're 732 01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:48,730 asking 733 01:25:48,730 --> 01:25:50,320 question to 'cause you made some comments 734 01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,130 and you asked a question. 735 01:25:52,130 --> 01:25:55,120 If you'd clearly let me know who you're asking 736 01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:55,750 what? 737 01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:59,250 - I don't think our staff can answer that. 738 01:25:59,250 --> 01:26:02,080 So if it would not be out of order, 739 01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:03,970 I guess what I'm asking in legal terms 740 01:26:03,970 --> 01:26:08,910 is the mall prepared to identify the city for 741 01:26:08,910 --> 01:26:09,010 liability 742 01:26:08,910 --> 01:26:13,240 and costs resulting from their preferred course 743 01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:18,590 of action. 744 01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:21,230 - So I'm assuming that question is to me, Mr. 745 01:26:21,230 --> 01:26:21,930 Mayor, 746 01:26:21,930 --> 01:26:25,550 and I'm happy to respond to that if that's 747 01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:26,810 acceptable to you. 748 01:26:26,810 --> 01:26:29,590 - Sure, yes, I'm happy to have you respond to 749 01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:29,830 that. 750 01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:33,150 And as part of this process, you can be asked 751 01:26:33,150 --> 01:26:34,050 questions. 752 01:26:34,050 --> 01:26:35,760 And so I'll take that as a question from the 753 01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:36,230 councilor to you 754 01:26:36,230 --> 01:26:37,970 and your willingness to respond, I'll let you 755 01:26:37,970 --> 01:26:38,600 respond. 756 01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:40,260 I'll just let you know, Mr. O'Callaghan, 757 01:26:40,260 --> 01:26:42,140 as part of the process too, 758 01:26:42,140 --> 01:26:45,010 I'm not gonna allow you to jump in preemptively. 759 01:26:45,010 --> 01:26:46,360 We'll let you be asked questions, 760 01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:48,670 but I will give you an opportunity at the end 761 01:26:48,670 --> 01:26:53,050 to provide a summary or context for anything 762 01:26:53,050 --> 01:26:55,100 that was said or discussed before we have our 763 01:26:55,100 --> 01:26:55,520 vote. 764 01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:56,830 So I just wanted to let you know 765 01:26:56,830 --> 01:26:59,620 that that will be an opportunity afforded to you 766 01:26:59,620 --> 01:27:01,330 in addition to any questions you're asked. 767 01:27:01,330 --> 01:27:02,960 So go ahead. 768 01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:03,990 - Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 769 01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:06,100 So I will respond to Councillor Toussault's 770 01:27:06,100 --> 01:27:07,370 question, 771 01:27:07,370 --> 01:27:09,790 just to be very clear, 772 01:27:09,790 --> 01:27:12,920 my client currently enjoys the full turning 773 01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:13,990 movements. 774 01:27:13,990 --> 01:27:18,350 And so that is a right that they have today. 775 01:27:18,350 --> 01:27:20,400 It is the city that is proposing to take 776 01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:21,500 something away. 777 01:27:21,500 --> 01:27:24,490 So my client can't possibly be asked to indemnify 778 01:27:24,490 --> 01:27:25,370 the city 779 01:27:25,370 --> 01:27:27,560 or something that the city is proposing to do to 780 01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:28,320 my client 781 01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:29,160 with all due respect. 782 01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:31,350 And the other point I'd like to make, Mr. Mayor, 783 01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:35,940 that I'm not here threatening as the counselor 784 01:27:35,940 --> 01:27:37,650 has suggested on the contrary. 785 01:27:37,650 --> 01:27:41,040 My client has every right to be fully compensated 786 01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,230 pursuant to the terms of the Appropriations Act, 787 01:27:43,230 --> 01:27:46,440 whether it be by money or otherwise. 788 01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:49,230 But I've already been very clear that my client 789 01:27:49,230 --> 01:27:51,300 is not looking for financial compensation. 790 01:27:51,300 --> 01:27:53,570 On the contrary, my client just wants to keep 791 01:27:53,570 --> 01:27:54,890 what it already has. 792 01:27:54,890 --> 01:27:56,880 And I've heard what the city staff have said 793 01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,590 and I respect the city staff's opinion. 794 01:27:59,590 --> 01:28:01,640 our own traffic analysis, however, 795 01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:05,010 has been that the impact of maintaining a full 796 01:28:05,010 --> 01:28:05,300 turning 797 01:28:05,300 --> 01:28:07,340 movements through a signalized intersection 798 01:28:07,340 --> 01:28:12,320 where the full turns movements currently exists 799 01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:15,420 would not negatively impact the timing of the BRT 800 01:28:15,420 --> 01:28:15,520 . 801 01:28:15,420 --> 01:28:17,930 And I understand that it's close to a different 802 01:28:17,930 --> 01:28:18,640 signal, 803 01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,660 but that is not uncommon in urban centers. 804 01:28:21,660 --> 01:28:24,200 So those are my responses, Mr. Mayor. 805 01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:26,250 Thank you for the opportunity. 806 01:28:26,250 --> 01:28:27,880 - Yeah, with thank you, Councillor Trostow. 807 01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:28,710 Go ahead. 808 01:28:28,710 --> 01:28:30,920 - With that, Mayor, my questions have been 809 01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:31,200 answered 810 01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:32,110 to my satisfaction. 811 01:28:32,110 --> 01:28:35,910 Thank you to the staff for very, very clear 812 01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:38,580 and I think persuasive evidence. 813 01:28:38,580 --> 01:28:42,480 I don't think there's a right as rights go 814 01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:45,340 to engage in unsafe turning practices 815 01:28:45,340 --> 01:28:47,310 and I think it's the obligation of the staff and 816 01:28:47,310 --> 01:28:47,920 the city 817 01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:49,230 to try to ameliorate those. 818 01:28:49,230 --> 01:28:51,540 So I would applaud you for your work 819 01:28:51,540 --> 01:28:56,430 and I'm not going to disturb this decision. 820 01:28:56,430 --> 01:28:58,540 - Any other comments or questions, Councillor 821 01:28:58,540 --> 01:29:02,220 Hopkins? 822 01:29:02,220 --> 01:29:04,400 - Yes, through you to staff, 823 01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:07,070 I just wanna confirm the access that is being 824 01:29:07,070 --> 01:29:07,530 proposed 825 01:29:07,530 --> 01:29:08,960 to this development. 826 01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,950 Are the three accesses still gonna be in place? 827 01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:17,130 Two offer, Wellington and one offer commissioner. 828 01:29:17,130 --> 01:29:19,020 I just would like to have a better understanding. 829 01:29:19,020 --> 01:29:21,910 I did hear you say as well that it's gonna be a 830 01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:22,500 write-in 831 01:29:22,500 --> 01:29:25,870 and write-out, but just wanted to have a better 832 01:29:25,870 --> 01:29:27,040 understanding 833 01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:33,170 what will be or what will be proposed. 834 01:29:33,170 --> 01:29:34,010 - Go ahead. 835 01:29:34,010 --> 01:29:34,970 - Yes, and through the chair. 836 01:29:34,970 --> 01:29:36,810 So in terms of the existing access, 837 01:29:36,810 --> 01:29:38,610 is there's currently a full access on 838 01:29:38,610 --> 01:29:40,360 Commissioner's Road 839 01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:41,750 for this property. 840 01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:43,710 That is remaining a full access. 841 01:29:43,710 --> 01:29:46,910 However, the standard design element of a rapid 842 01:29:46,910 --> 01:29:47,260 transit 843 01:29:47,260 --> 01:29:49,020 corridor is the center median. 844 01:29:49,020 --> 01:29:51,650 And so that, by installing that, essentially 845 01:29:51,650 --> 01:29:52,170 takes what 846 01:29:52,170 --> 01:29:54,700 is now an unsignalized full movement on 847 01:29:54,700 --> 01:29:55,800 Wellington 848 01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:58,470 and creates it as a now rights and rights out 849 01:29:58,470 --> 01:30:00,310 restricted access. 850 01:30:00,310 --> 01:30:01,980 However, there are offsets that are coming 851 01:30:01,980 --> 01:30:03,780 through the rapid transit design. 852 01:30:03,780 --> 01:30:05,330 So one of the elements that we have 853 01:30:05,330 --> 01:30:07,170 is at both baseline and commissioners 854 01:30:07,170 --> 01:30:09,560 where both those locations and intersections 855 01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:11,560 are served by a full rapid transit shelter 856 01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:13,690 and like transit service. 857 01:30:13,690 --> 01:30:15,130 Also as part of that design, 858 01:30:15,130 --> 01:30:17,480 there is a protected left turn U-turn movement 859 01:30:17,480 --> 01:30:19,680 that will be happening in those locations. 860 01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:21,400 So folks that previously would have been 861 01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:21,670 traveling 862 01:30:21,670 --> 01:30:23,710 northbound on Wellington looking to make a left 863 01:30:23,710 --> 01:30:24,030 turn 864 01:30:24,030 --> 01:30:27,300 into what is now a full access on Wellington 865 01:30:27,300 --> 01:30:28,580 will have two options. 866 01:30:28,580 --> 01:30:30,850 They can use that protected safe turning movement 867 01:30:30,850 --> 01:30:32,370 to turn onto commissioners 868 01:30:32,370 --> 01:30:34,680 and then make a right turn into the plaza, 869 01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:36,280 or they can continue northbound 870 01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:38,980 and make a protected U-turn at the baseline 871 01:30:38,980 --> 01:30:39,750 intersection, 872 01:30:39,750 --> 01:30:41,340 and then work their way back southbound 873 01:30:41,340 --> 01:30:43,390 and enter rights into the Wellington Rights and 874 01:30:43,390 --> 01:30:44,330 Rights out. 875 01:30:44,330 --> 01:30:46,130 So while it's different from what's there today, 876 01:30:46,130 --> 01:30:48,720 we are still providing protective, safe turning 877 01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:49,520 opportunities 878 01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:53,920 for folks looking to access that plaza. 879 01:30:53,920 --> 01:31:00,440 - Councilor Hawkins, get any other speakers' 880 01:31:00,440 --> 01:31:01,660 questions? 881 01:31:01,660 --> 01:31:03,580 I'd one colleague asked me why I'm not making 882 01:31:03,580 --> 01:31:04,710 people stand. 883 01:31:04,710 --> 01:31:06,060 We're sitting as the approval authority, 884 01:31:06,060 --> 01:31:07,840 which means there aren't any time limits 885 01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,700 and there's a different set of procedural rules. 886 01:31:10,700 --> 01:31:15,680 So, well, that's why way to GSpoke Councilor, I'm 887 01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:16,580 just kidding. 888 01:31:16,580 --> 01:31:22,080 So, are there any other questions though? 889 01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:25,340 Okay, Mr. O'Callaghan, I'm gonna let you 890 01:31:25,340 --> 01:31:26,010 summarize 891 01:31:26,010 --> 01:31:29,490 or provide any sort of context that you'd like to 892 01:31:29,490 --> 01:31:32,180 before we make a decision. 893 01:31:32,180 --> 01:31:33,370 - Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 894 01:31:33,370 --> 01:31:35,600 Very briefly, I just reiterate the request. 895 01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:38,490 In my respectful submission, it is a very, very 896 01:31:38,490 --> 01:31:39,090 simple 897 01:31:39,090 --> 01:31:41,480 and cost-effective solution to simply allow my 898 01:31:41,480 --> 01:31:41,990 client 899 01:31:41,990 --> 01:31:46,660 to keep what it already has so that the mall can 900 01:31:46,660 --> 01:31:47,090 continue 901 01:31:47,090 --> 01:31:49,300 to function and serve the people of London. 902 01:31:49,300 --> 01:31:52,040 So I do reiterate your request that staff be 903 01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:52,500 directed 904 01:31:52,500 --> 01:31:56,490 to work with us on retaining the full attorney 905 01:31:56,490 --> 01:31:56,840 movements 906 01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,910 through a signalized intersection. 907 01:31:59,910 --> 01:32:03,060 And certainly our preference not to have to 908 01:32:03,060 --> 01:32:03,680 commence a claim 909 01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:05,470 pursuant to the expropriation sect. 910 01:32:05,470 --> 01:32:09,430 So thank you for your time, sir. 911 01:32:09,430 --> 01:32:12,210 - Okay, with that, we've had discussion, 912 01:32:12,210 --> 01:32:14,520 we've asked questions, we've heard from the 913 01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:14,990 delegation, 914 01:32:14,990 --> 01:32:17,670 we've allowed a summary at this point. 915 01:32:17,670 --> 01:32:19,970 There's a moved and seconded motion 916 01:32:19,970 --> 01:32:22,510 as the approving authority before us. 917 01:32:22,510 --> 01:32:41,150 I'm gonna open that for voting. 918 01:32:41,150 --> 01:32:45,880 - Closing the vote, motion carries 13 to one. 919 01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:48,180 - Okay, and now I need to adjourn. 920 01:32:48,180 --> 01:32:50,080 A motion to adjourn as the approving authority 921 01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:52,340 and reconvene as municipal council. 922 01:32:52,340 --> 01:32:53,770 Look for motion, Councillor Hopkins, 923 01:32:53,770 --> 01:32:55,510 seconded by Councillor van Mirbergen. 924 01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:57,650 And this is that the meeting of the approval 925 01:32:57,650 --> 01:32:58,850 of authority be adjourned 926 01:32:58,850 --> 01:33:02,220 and that council reconvene in regular session. 927 01:33:02,220 --> 01:33:03,470 Any discussion? 928 01:33:03,470 --> 01:33:13,900 I'm going to call the vote closing the vote 929 01:33:13,900 --> 01:33:20,220 motion carries 14 to 0 okay, and now sir of the 930 01:33:20,220 --> 01:33:20,690 following 931 01:33:20,690 --> 01:33:23,560 Recommendation which has been made to us 932 01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,370 from the expropriation 933 01:33:26,370 --> 01:33:28,910 Authority or approving authority that on the 934 01:33:28,910 --> 01:33:30,320 recommendation of the deputy city manager 935 01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,360 environment and infrastructure with the conc 936 01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:33,240 urrence of the director of 937 01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:34,950 Construction and infrastructure services on the 938 01:33:34,950 --> 01:33:36,800 advice of the director of Realty services with 939 01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,640 respect to the expropriation of lands that may be 940 01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:41,110 be required to the project known as the 941 01:33:41,110 --> 01:33:41,630 Wellington Gateway 942 01:33:41,630 --> 01:33:43,280 Project, the following actions be taken. 943 01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:47,130 A, the proposed bylaw attached as Appendix A, 944 01:33:47,130 --> 01:33:49,630 being a bylaw to expropriate lands in the city of 945 01:33:49,630 --> 01:33:49,890 London, 946 01:33:49,890 --> 01:33:52,720 the county of Middlesex, the Wellington Gateway 947 01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:53,370 Project, 948 01:33:53,370 --> 01:33:56,420 B, introduced at Municipal Council meeting 949 01:33:56,420 --> 01:33:59,410 to be held on June 2nd, 2026. 950 01:33:59,410 --> 01:34:00,960 B, the civic administration, be directed 951 01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:04,020 to take all necessary steps, prepare a plan 952 01:34:04,020 --> 01:34:06,580 or plans showing expropriated lands and to 953 01:34:06,580 --> 01:34:07,100 register 954 01:34:07,100 --> 01:34:10,730 such plans are plans in the appropriate registry 955 01:34:10,730 --> 01:34:12,600 or land titles offices pursuant to the 956 01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:13,870 Appropriations Act 957 01:34:13,870 --> 01:34:17,990 RSO 1990 CE26 within three months 958 01:34:17,990 --> 01:34:20,370 of the approving authority granting approval 959 01:34:20,370 --> 01:34:22,840 and set of set expropriation. 960 01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:24,400 See that the mayor and clerk be authorized 961 01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,300 to sign on behalf of the expropriating authority 962 01:34:27,300 --> 01:34:27,750 plan 963 01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:31,550 or plans signed by an Ontario land surveyor 964 01:34:31,550 --> 01:34:34,460 showing the expropriated lands and D, 965 01:34:34,460 --> 01:34:36,340 the mayor and clerk be authorized and directed to 966 01:34:36,340 --> 01:34:37,080 execute 967 01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:39,510 and serve notices of expropriation required 968 01:34:39,510 --> 01:34:43,830 by the expropriations act, RSO 1990C E26, 969 01:34:43,830 --> 01:34:46,210 and such notices of possession that may be 970 01:34:46,210 --> 01:34:46,650 required 971 01:34:46,650 --> 01:34:50,520 to obtain possession of the expropriated lands. 972 01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:56,460 Oh, sorry, D is just the city clerk. 973 01:34:56,460 --> 01:34:59,090 C was the mayor and city clerk, I don't have to 974 01:34:59,090 --> 01:34:59,410 do D. 975 01:34:59,410 --> 01:35:01,390 So D is just the city clerk, sorry, I misread 976 01:35:01,390 --> 01:35:02,090 that. 977 01:35:02,090 --> 01:35:03,950 Okay, and that's the full extent of the motion. 978 01:35:03,950 --> 01:35:05,770 I look for a mover and a seconder from council. 979 01:35:05,770 --> 01:35:07,390 On that matter, I see Councillor Trostoff, 980 01:35:07,390 --> 01:35:09,020 seconder by Councillor Cuddy. 981 01:35:09,020 --> 01:35:14,070 Any discussion on the motion before us? 982 01:35:14,070 --> 01:35:25,400 Okay, I've seen none, we'll open that for voting. 983 01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:32,720 - Opposing the vote, motion carries 13 to one. 984 01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:35,010 - Okay, that concludes six, one and six, two. 985 01:35:35,010 --> 01:35:37,450 I have a motion for six, three, four and five 986 01:35:37,450 --> 01:35:39,950 to be distributed to various parts of the agenda 987 01:35:39,950 --> 01:35:42,910 as reflected on the matters before us. 988 01:35:42,910 --> 01:35:46,220 So a motion, a mover and a seconder for that. 989 01:35:46,220 --> 01:35:51,320 Councillor ramen, seconded by Councillor Pribble. 990 01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:53,950 Any discussion on moving those items? 991 01:35:53,950 --> 01:36:10,960 Okay, we'll open that for voting. 992 01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:15,750 - Vote, motion carries 14 to zero. 993 01:36:15,750 --> 01:36:18,000 Okay, that concludes six onto seven motions 994 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:19,430 of which notice is given there are none. 995 01:36:19,430 --> 01:36:21,720 Onto reports, 8.1 is the eighth report 996 01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:24,520 of the Planning and Environment Committee. 997 01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:27,390 And we have six items before us. 998 01:36:27,390 --> 01:36:28,850 I'll turn it over to the chair 999 01:36:28,850 --> 01:36:32,860 to present the committee report. 1000 01:36:32,860 --> 01:36:33,930 - Thank you Mayor. 1001 01:36:33,930 --> 01:36:35,460 Please to put the eighth report 1002 01:36:35,460 --> 01:36:37,160 of the Planning and Environment Committee on the 1003 01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:37,470 floor. 1004 01:36:37,470 --> 01:36:42,370 I've been asked to pull item number five. 1005 01:36:42,370 --> 01:36:43,800 - Okay, we'll deal with five separate, 1006 01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:47,000 anything else separate from colleagues? 1007 01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,540 Aside from five. 1008 01:36:49,540 --> 01:36:51,030 Okay, seeing that, I'll go back to you chair for 1009 01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:52,080 a motion. 1010 01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:52,900 - Thank you. 1011 01:36:52,900 --> 01:36:55,180 So I will move items one through four and number 1012 01:36:55,180 --> 01:36:56,800 six. 1013 01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:58,700 - Okay, one through four and six are on the floor 1014 01:36:58,700 --> 01:36:58,810 . 1015 01:36:58,810 --> 01:37:05,270 Any discussion on those matters? 1016 01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:18,080 Keep seeing none, we'll open those for voting. 1017 01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:18,870 - Present the vote. 1018 01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:21,020 Motion carries 14-0. 1019 01:37:21,020 --> 01:37:21,820 - Go ahead, Chair. 1020 01:37:21,820 --> 01:37:22,850 - Thank you. 1021 01:37:22,850 --> 01:37:27,680 And I'll put item number five on the floor. 1022 01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:30,650 Councillor Hopkins requested that be pulled. 1023 01:37:30,650 --> 01:37:31,610 - Okay. 1024 01:37:31,610 --> 01:37:32,940 Item five is on the floor. 1025 01:37:32,940 --> 01:37:34,430 I'll look for any discussion. 1026 01:37:34,430 --> 01:37:36,460 Councillor Hopkins, would you like to go first? 1027 01:37:36,460 --> 01:37:37,220 - Yeah. 1028 01:37:37,220 --> 01:37:38,320 - Okay, go ahead. 1029 01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:39,150 - Yeah, thank you. 1030 01:37:39,150 --> 01:37:41,070 Your worship for allowing me to speak 1031 01:37:41,070 --> 01:37:46,260 to this, there is a referral from the committee 1032 01:37:46,260 --> 01:37:51,160 to refer this application to a future planning 1033 01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:53,530 and environment committee to allow the applicant 1034 01:37:53,530 --> 01:37:56,600 to consider the consolidation of additional lands 1035 01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,310 to the subject property. 1036 01:37:58,310 --> 01:38:00,910 I'm going to be asking council not to support the 1037 01:38:00,910 --> 01:38:01,560 referral 1038 01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:04,930 and if it is supported, I will be putting 1039 01:38:04,930 --> 01:38:08,650 on staff's recommendation, which is to refuse it. 1040 01:38:08,650 --> 01:38:13,160 And the reasons why I would encourage council 1041 01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:17,000 not to support the referral is, 1042 01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:19,040 this has come to us a second time. 1043 01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:23,440 The first referral was the application was for a 1044 01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:24,190 12 story, 1045 01:38:24,190 --> 01:38:26,200 the referral was sent back, 1046 01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:29,370 came back to us for a ninth story. 1047 01:38:29,370 --> 01:38:31,460 And now it's being referred back. 1048 01:38:31,460 --> 01:38:35,220 And I would like to say that this is a 1049 01:38:35,220 --> 01:38:36,880 substantial change 1050 01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:39,250 to this application. 1051 01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:45,000 we really do not know the extent of what this 1052 01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:45,830 even means 1053 01:38:45,830 --> 01:38:48,770 if the developer is going to be able to purchase 1054 01:38:48,770 --> 01:38:49,710 the property, 1055 01:38:49,710 --> 01:38:53,370 but it is very substantial. 1056 01:38:53,370 --> 01:38:55,490 And I'd like to address two main reasons 1057 01:38:55,490 --> 01:38:59,270 why it should not be referred back. 1058 01:38:59,270 --> 01:39:02,150 It's been a long time since the decision 1059 01:39:02,150 --> 01:39:04,280 on this application is being made. 1060 01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:07,060 We open ourselves to, as a corporation, 1061 01:39:07,060 --> 01:39:10,300 being vulnerable for a non-decision. 1062 01:39:10,300 --> 01:39:12,100 I understand that probably won't happen, 1063 01:39:12,100 --> 01:39:15,300 that the reality is we have a responsibility 1064 01:39:15,300 --> 01:39:19,300 to make sure that we make decisions in a timely 1065 01:39:19,300 --> 01:39:20,270 manner. 1066 01:39:20,270 --> 01:39:23,690 Secondary reason I would like to share with you 1067 01:39:23,690 --> 01:39:25,360 is that if this is referred, 1068 01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:27,960 and given it's a substantial change in the 1069 01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:29,000 application, 1070 01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:33,170 there will be costs born, not by the applicant, 1071 01:39:33,170 --> 01:39:38,240 if it's referred back, but by the taxpayer. 1072 01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:43,560 And I reached out to staff to get some numbers. 1073 01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:49,090 and without taking into account staff's time 1074 01:39:49,090 --> 01:39:53,860 and the consideration of many studies 1075 01:39:53,860 --> 01:40:00,290 to be made with this application. 1076 01:40:00,290 --> 01:40:04,480 They're the mailing list because it's gonna be 1077 01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:05,370 revised. 1078 01:40:05,370 --> 01:40:09,330 It's gonna go to a greater area of the community. 1079 01:40:09,330 --> 01:40:13,990 Sign removal, sign production and installations. 1080 01:40:13,990 --> 01:40:17,690 Again, this is a referral on a new application. 1081 01:40:17,690 --> 01:40:20,030 It's gonna be borne by the taxpayer. 1082 01:40:20,030 --> 01:40:24,350 I would encourage the applicant to withdraw this 1083 01:40:24,350 --> 01:40:25,130 application 1084 01:40:25,130 --> 01:40:27,490 and put forward a new application 1085 01:40:27,490 --> 01:40:29,730 where the fees for a new application 1086 01:40:29,730 --> 01:40:31,660 would be covered by the developer. 1087 01:40:31,660 --> 01:40:36,990 So again, I did share some responses from 1088 01:40:36,990 --> 01:40:37,090 residents 1089 01:40:37,020 --> 01:40:40,080 that were at the public participation meeting 1090 01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:41,510 with council members. 1091 01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:44,570 I hope you took into consideration 1092 01:40:44,570 --> 01:40:47,790 that each time the community has come 1093 01:40:47,790 --> 01:40:50,500 to speak to this application. 1094 01:40:50,500 --> 01:40:53,560 Referrals have been made, they take precedence, 1095 01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:57,770 the community has not been even able to speak 1096 01:40:57,770 --> 01:41:01,140 to these applications or to be heard specifically 1097 01:41:01,140 --> 01:41:01,420 . 1098 01:41:01,420 --> 01:41:05,750 So with that, I'm asking for your consideration 1099 01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:10,240 to have this not supported. 1100 01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:13,350 - Okay, any other speakers? 1101 01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:15,230 Go ahead, Councillor Cuddy. 1102 01:41:15,230 --> 01:41:17,580 - Thank you, worshipping through you. 1103 01:41:17,580 --> 01:41:21,420 I was the one who moved the motion for the 1104 01:41:21,420 --> 01:41:22,440 referral. 1105 01:41:22,440 --> 01:41:25,270 And the reason I did was because the information 1106 01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:26,520 that came through from the applicant, your 1107 01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:30,270 worship, was that he purchased property adjoining 1108 01:41:30,270 --> 01:41:35,430 the land that was applied for the development. 1109 01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:38,420 And without putting words in staff's mouth, I 1110 01:41:38,420 --> 01:41:40,950 believe that we all agreed that this was 1111 01:41:40,950 --> 01:41:43,130 actually a new application, your worship, that 1112 01:41:43,130 --> 01:41:44,820 this wasn't the old application that 1113 01:41:44,820 --> 01:41:46,920 they had applied with the new information that 1114 01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:47,900 had come forward. 1115 01:41:47,900 --> 01:41:51,380 So it only seemed reasonable at the time to ask 1116 01:41:51,380 --> 01:41:53,680 for referral because, again, it wasn't 1117 01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:55,940 the same application that was applied for. 1118 01:41:55,940 --> 01:42:00,100 Thank you. 1119 01:42:00,100 --> 01:42:01,430 - Okay, any other speakers? 1120 01:42:01,430 --> 01:42:05,900 Councillor Troisab. 1121 01:42:05,900 --> 01:42:11,680 - Thank you, through the chair, exactly, exactly. 1122 01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:13,840 It's a different parcel of land. 1123 01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:18,780 And I think that you can only stretch the purpose 1124 01:42:18,780 --> 01:42:23,650 of a referral so far. 1125 01:42:23,650 --> 01:42:25,410 And that would be where you're dealing 1126 01:42:25,410 --> 01:42:27,320 with the same application, 1127 01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:28,600 you're dealing with the same land, 1128 01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:31,610 you have a few issues that you need to work out. 1129 01:42:31,610 --> 01:42:34,980 And you think that you can do that expeditiously 1130 01:42:34,980 --> 01:42:37,520 within the time. 1131 01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,870 Staying within the time limits is always a 1132 01:42:39,870 --> 01:42:41,830 perilous danger 1133 01:42:41,830 --> 01:42:45,980 for us unless we have something very airtight. 1134 01:42:45,980 --> 01:42:47,850 In my view, this is substantially a new 1135 01:42:47,850 --> 01:42:49,170 application 1136 01:42:49,170 --> 01:42:54,500 in that the parcels of land are not contiguous. 1137 01:42:54,500 --> 01:42:58,230 Land use planning applications are based on 1138 01:42:58,230 --> 01:42:59,330 properties. 1139 01:42:59,330 --> 01:43:03,920 And this is a different property, albeit overlap, 1140 01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:06,000 but it's a different property. 1141 01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:11,540 And I think to use the office of a referral 1142 01:43:11,540 --> 01:43:14,070 would be overcharging it quite a bit. 1143 01:43:14,070 --> 01:43:16,650 So at this point, I would be very comfortable 1144 01:43:16,650 --> 01:43:19,490 voting down this application, 1145 01:43:19,490 --> 01:43:24,690 which will totally remove any risk of a time 1146 01:43:24,690 --> 01:43:25,650 issue. 1147 01:43:25,650 --> 01:43:29,440 This of course is without prejudice 1148 01:43:29,440 --> 01:43:33,840 to the owner coming back for a new application, 1149 01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:36,320 which includes different lands. 1150 01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:39,930 And we'll take it for there, from there. 1151 01:43:39,930 --> 01:43:43,970 I'm often in favor of doing referrals 1152 01:43:43,970 --> 01:43:48,280 so long as they can be done without a time factor 1153 01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:48,910 risk. 1154 01:43:48,910 --> 01:43:52,340 But I think in this case, it's too remote 1155 01:43:52,340 --> 01:43:54,730 in light of the fact that it's an entirely, 1156 01:43:54,730 --> 01:43:57,740 it would be a really substantially different 1157 01:43:57,740 --> 01:43:59,630 and new application. 1158 01:43:59,630 --> 01:44:02,600 So I can't support referring this. 1159 01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:05,900 I want to let the residents of the community 1160 01:44:05,900 --> 01:44:10,440 and the broader public know where this stands. 1161 01:44:10,440 --> 01:44:12,080 And I think it would be a fiction 1162 01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:16,460 to think that we could come to some type of 1163 01:44:16,460 --> 01:44:17,730 agreement 1164 01:44:17,730 --> 01:44:20,470 through the process of a referral. 1165 01:44:20,470 --> 01:44:24,110 So I'll just be voting no as Councillor Hopkins 1166 01:44:24,110 --> 01:44:25,200 suggested. 1167 01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:27,900 Thank you very much. 1168 01:44:27,900 --> 01:44:31,320 - Deputy Mayor Lewis. 1169 01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:33,280 - Thank you, worship. 1170 01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,850 I will be supporting the referral. 1171 01:44:35,850 --> 01:44:40,910 I respectfully need to say that twice now, 1172 01:44:40,910 --> 01:44:43,940 community members have had an opportunity 1173 01:44:43,940 --> 01:44:45,240 to speak to the applications 1174 01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:47,740 contrary to what Councilor Hopkins indicated. 1175 01:44:47,740 --> 01:44:50,480 There have been two PPMs posted at planning 1176 01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:53,510 and environment committee on both the initial 1177 01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:55,250 and at the last planning and environment 1178 01:44:55,250 --> 01:44:55,600 committee 1179 01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:57,010 on the revised application. 1180 01:44:57,010 --> 01:44:59,660 So it is not accurate to say that the community 1181 01:44:59,660 --> 01:45:01,110 does not have a chance to speak to the 1182 01:45:01,110 --> 01:45:02,790 applications they have 1183 01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:04,960 both through PPM and through written 1184 01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:06,940 correspondence. 1185 01:45:06,940 --> 01:45:09,490 I agree with councilor trust out that timing is 1186 01:45:09,490 --> 01:45:09,750 something 1187 01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:13,040 that's always a bit perilous for us when we 1188 01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:13,570 decide 1189 01:45:13,570 --> 01:45:17,220 to refer without the applicant in agreement. 1190 01:45:17,220 --> 01:45:19,140 In this case, the applicants has actually asked 1191 01:45:19,140 --> 01:45:23,680 for the referral, so there's not, to my mind, 1192 01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:26,890 any danger of an appeal for non-decision. 1193 01:45:26,890 --> 01:45:29,200 It doesn't exactly put them on strong footing 1194 01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:29,480 going 1195 01:45:29,480 --> 01:45:31,480 to the oil tea and saying the city didn't make a 1196 01:45:31,480 --> 01:45:31,930 decision 1197 01:45:31,930 --> 01:45:36,390 when they asked for the deferral themselves. 1198 01:45:36,390 --> 01:45:39,360 And finally, to the point that Councilor Trussow 1199 01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:39,600 made, 1200 01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:41,210 the land actually is contiguous. 1201 01:45:41,210 --> 01:45:43,960 The new land that is being acquired 1202 01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:46,610 abuts the existing property. 1203 01:45:46,610 --> 01:45:48,290 So it is contiguous. 1204 01:45:48,290 --> 01:45:51,490 And often when these things happen, 1205 01:45:51,490 --> 01:45:54,570 as we've seen in other planning applications, 1206 01:45:54,570 --> 01:45:56,840 what happens is while you have two separate 1207 01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:57,750 addresses 1208 01:45:57,750 --> 01:46:00,970 when the application for a ZBA comes in, 1209 01:46:00,970 --> 01:46:03,240 once zoning is approved, they get merged on title 1210 01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:04,810 because it's under single ownership. 1211 01:46:04,810 --> 01:46:09,470 And so the not-continuous argument is one that I 1212 01:46:09,470 --> 01:46:10,310 don't accept, 1213 01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:12,410 nor do I accept that the public hasn't had an 1214 01:46:12,410 --> 01:46:14,110 opportunity to speak. 1215 01:46:14,110 --> 01:46:16,270 I do agree that there's some changes here by 1216 01:46:16,270 --> 01:46:17,350 adding more land 1217 01:46:17,350 --> 01:46:19,880 to the area that's supposed to be developed. 1218 01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:22,550 But I think we'd be doing public disservice to 1219 01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:24,590 defeat this today 1220 01:46:24,590 --> 01:46:27,110 and say there, nothing's happening here 1221 01:46:27,110 --> 01:46:30,260 because something is going to be developed there. 1222 01:46:30,260 --> 01:46:31,950 And I think saying that this will give the 1223 01:46:31,950 --> 01:46:33,120 community peace of mind 1224 01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:36,100 knowing that this isn't happening, it's actually 1225 01:46:36,100 --> 01:46:36,510 false. 1226 01:46:36,510 --> 01:46:39,600 It sets up a false expectation in my view 1227 01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:41,630 because something is going to be developed. 1228 01:46:41,630 --> 01:46:44,960 It's a question of what is appropriate in size 1229 01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:47,310 and in density and use between residential and 1230 01:46:47,310 --> 01:46:48,950 commercial there, 1231 01:46:48,950 --> 01:46:52,580 but nothing is not going to be the outcome either 1232 01:46:52,580 --> 01:46:52,870 way. 1233 01:46:52,870 --> 01:46:56,000 So I think if we just allow this to play itself 1234 01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:58,890 out through the referral process, 1235 01:46:58,890 --> 01:47:02,080 we will see a revised application come forward 1236 01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:03,110 with the new lands added, 1237 01:47:03,110 --> 01:47:05,800 assuming the property is acquired in that manner. 1238 01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:07,820 and we'll see when that comes forward, 1239 01:47:07,820 --> 01:47:12,310 whether that's accepted or not. 1240 01:47:12,310 --> 01:47:14,760 - Any other speakers? 1241 01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:17,750 Go ahead, Councillor Ramen. 1242 01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:19,850 - Thank you and through you. 1243 01:47:19,850 --> 01:47:21,480 So first I'll start by saying yes, 1244 01:47:21,480 --> 01:47:23,100 I agree with Deputy Mayor Lewis, 1245 01:47:23,100 --> 01:47:25,120 something will be built there. 1246 01:47:25,120 --> 01:47:27,780 But that doesn't mean that referral 1247 01:47:27,780 --> 01:47:30,590 is necessary next step to do so. 1248 01:47:30,590 --> 01:47:33,100 A new application can come forward to do exactly 1249 01:47:33,100 --> 01:47:33,660 that. 1250 01:47:33,660 --> 01:47:38,160 One of the challenges I feel with the referral 1251 01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:41,200 that's on the floor is that it creates 1252 01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:44,500 more precedent-setting opportunities where now we 1253 01:47:44,500 --> 01:47:47,140 're not fully able to go through what 1254 01:47:47,140 --> 01:47:51,450 would be our normal process to go through an 1255 01:47:51,450 --> 01:47:53,130 application. 1256 01:47:53,130 --> 01:47:56,330 Now we're treating applications as add-ons 1257 01:47:56,330 --> 01:47:59,640 negotiations and waiting for sales to happen 1258 01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:02,190 in order for that to go on. 1259 01:48:02,190 --> 01:48:05,390 It makes the process harder for the public to 1260 01:48:05,390 --> 01:48:06,580 understand. 1261 01:48:06,580 --> 01:48:10,650 are in some cases used to our process sometimes 1262 01:48:10,650 --> 01:48:13,170 they're just learning but to 1263 01:48:13,170 --> 01:48:16,970 have to even as a word counselor explain this 1264 01:48:16,970 --> 01:48:19,150 process now I think makes it 1265 01:48:19,150 --> 01:48:21,900 challenging so out of respect for the community I 1266 01:48:21,900 --> 01:48:23,250 'm going to be voting no. 1267 01:48:23,250 --> 01:48:34,280 Any other speakers we're going to open this for 1268 01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:35,580 voting this is the committee's 1269 01:48:35,580 --> 01:48:54,250 recommendation that we're voting on losing the 1270 01:48:54,250 --> 01:48:55,730 vote motion fails on a tie seven 1271 01:48:55,730 --> 01:49:07,960 seven as are Hopkins you I'd like to put the 1272 01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:10,650 staff's recommendation on the floor 1273 01:49:10,650 --> 01:49:17,260 which is to refuse the application and I'd like 1274 01:49:17,260 --> 01:49:20,270 if I can speak to reasons why I'm supporting it. 1275 01:49:20,270 --> 01:49:22,400 I need to just need to get a seconder which I 1276 01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:23,660 sure won't be a problem with 1277 01:49:23,660 --> 01:49:26,280 Councillor ramen's willing to second. Okay go 1278 01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:26,550 ahead. 1279 01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:31,410 Yeah first of all thank you to council for 1280 01:49:31,410 --> 01:49:36,160 understanding the situation and the changes 1281 01:49:36,160 --> 01:49:39,500 that have been going on with this application. 1282 01:49:39,500 --> 01:49:44,400 The community spoke basically on a number 1283 01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:49,210 issues of intensification the way it fits into 1284 01:49:49,210 --> 01:49:51,430 the community. My concerns were 1285 01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:55,210 basically this is on in neighborhood Connector 1286 01:49:55,210 --> 01:49:56,920 Street. The nine stories is 1287 01:49:56,920 --> 01:50:02,350 three times what is allowed on West L. Borne. So 1288 01:50:02,350 --> 01:50:06,750 I would ask that council 1289 01:50:06,750 --> 01:50:13,410 support staff's refusal. Other speakers to the 1290 01:50:13,410 --> 01:50:21,820 motion on the floor. I just was 1291 01:50:21,820 --> 01:50:23,140 just checking to make sure we had all the things 1292 01:50:23,140 --> 01:50:24,010 we needed to do to make that 1293 01:50:24,010 --> 01:50:26,410 decision today. So I can actually engage with the 1294 01:50:26,410 --> 01:50:30,760 speakers list on this. Any other speakers to this 1295 01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:30,860 ? 1296 01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:33,800 Your worship? Yeah. Oh, sorry. My apologies. I've 1297 01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:36,390 just got to let the clerk alert me to when you're 1298 01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:38,180 you've got your hand up. I can't see on my screen 1299 01:50:38,180 --> 01:50:43,660 . Go ahead. No problem. So I supported the 1300 01:50:43,660 --> 01:50:44,060 referral, 1301 01:50:44,060 --> 01:50:46,940 but if we're not going to refer it, I'm going to 1302 01:50:46,940 --> 01:50:49,890 support the refusal here. We do have to dispense 1303 01:50:49,890 --> 01:50:52,570 with the application in some way, shape or form. 1304 01:50:52,570 --> 01:50:54,700 And so if we're not doing the referral, I think 1305 01:50:54,700 --> 01:50:54,860 that 1306 01:50:54,860 --> 01:50:58,270 but this is the next appropriate step. 1307 01:50:58,270 --> 01:51:01,660 So I wanted to share that while I supported the 1308 01:51:01,660 --> 01:51:02,430 referral, 1309 01:51:02,430 --> 01:51:05,740 given that that failed, I would support the 1310 01:51:05,740 --> 01:51:07,150 refusal. 1311 01:51:07,150 --> 01:51:10,320 I will caution, however, because I heard Councill 1312 01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:12,210 or Hopkins say 1313 01:51:12,210 --> 01:51:13,270 it's a neighborhood connector 1314 01:51:13,270 --> 01:51:14,720 and it's only allowed three stories. 1315 01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:17,690 The zoning only allows three stories. 1316 01:51:17,690 --> 01:51:19,640 On it currently, the neighborhood connector 1317 01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:20,270 classification 1318 01:51:20,270 --> 01:51:24,490 of street actually does allow for higher stories. 1319 01:51:24,490 --> 01:51:26,860 four stories in some cases, four story stack 1320 01:51:26,860 --> 01:51:27,200 towns, 1321 01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:29,250 for example, are allowed on neighborhood 1322 01:51:29,250 --> 01:51:30,250 connectors 1323 01:51:30,250 --> 01:51:32,710 throughout, so I don't wanna set the expectation 1324 01:51:32,710 --> 01:51:35,350 that whatever comes back is only gonna be three 1325 01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:36,060 stories. 1326 01:51:36,060 --> 01:51:39,790 And depending on merging on title of multiple 1327 01:51:39,790 --> 01:51:41,050 properties, 1328 01:51:41,050 --> 01:51:43,170 that could change the zoning classification as 1329 01:51:43,170 --> 01:51:43,530 well 1330 01:51:43,530 --> 01:51:45,720 if they have intersection access. 1331 01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:48,670 So I just wanna caution that three stories 1332 01:51:48,670 --> 01:51:51,660 is not necessarily going to be the limit. 1333 01:51:51,660 --> 01:51:52,980 That is the current zoning, 1334 01:51:52,980 --> 01:51:55,050 but of course the zoning bylaw amendment can come 1335 01:51:55,050 --> 01:51:55,950 in 1336 01:51:55,950 --> 01:51:58,010 and given other things like the London Plan 1337 01:51:58,010 --> 01:51:59,280 Heights review, 1338 01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:00,810 it could be more than three stories. 1339 01:52:00,810 --> 01:52:04,770 So I wanna underline that and I will leave it at 1340 01:52:04,770 --> 01:52:08,070 that. 1341 01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:09,380 - Okay, any of the speakers with the motion on 1342 01:52:09,380 --> 01:52:15,880 the floor? 1343 01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:17,740 Okay, it's up and e-scribe if you need to read it 1344 01:52:17,740 --> 01:52:17,840 , 1345 01:52:17,780 --> 01:52:38,790 we're gonna open that for voting. 1346 01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:48,730 - Opposing the vote, motion carries 14 to zero. 1347 01:52:48,730 --> 01:52:51,190 - Thank you, Mayor, that concludes the 0-3-4 1348 01:52:51,190 --> 01:53:04,260 planning environment committee. 1349 01:53:04,260 --> 01:53:05,950 Okay, we're on to the Community and Protective 1350 01:53:05,950 --> 01:53:06,580 Services Committee. 1351 01:53:06,580 --> 01:53:09,720 I'll have Chair Ramen present. 1352 01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:11,550 - Thank you and through you, this is the eighth 1353 01:53:11,550 --> 01:53:11,890 report 1354 01:53:11,890 --> 01:53:14,130 the community and protective services committee. 1355 01:53:14,130 --> 01:53:16,710 I've been asked to deal with 1356 01:53:16,710 --> 01:53:19,960 item five separately, otherwise I have all items 1357 01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:22,560 to put on the floor. Okay, is 1358 01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:27,000 anybody want anything else dealt with separately? 1359 01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:27,840 Go ahead and make a motion. 1360 01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:30,600 Thank you. I will put items one through four and 1361 01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:33,170 six on the floor. Okay, one through 1362 01:53:33,170 --> 01:53:35,370 four and six are on the floor. I'll look for any 1363 01:53:35,370 --> 01:53:36,810 speakers. Councilor Palosa. 1364 01:53:36,810 --> 01:53:41,280 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And through you to staff, 1365 01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:43,260 Ms. Pfeffer had provided me 1366 01:53:43,260 --> 01:53:45,880 behind the scenes within a reply had a 1367 01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:47,390 conversation at committee in regards to 1368 01:53:47,390 --> 01:53:50,180 item three being 2.2 the protection of animals 1369 01:53:50,180 --> 01:53:53,070 left on intended vehicles was 1370 01:53:53,070 --> 01:53:55,580 just verifying with staff if the officer 1371 01:53:55,580 --> 01:53:57,040 attending would have it their 1372 01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:00,770 discretion if there was three vehicle three lives 1373 01:54:00,770 --> 01:54:02,610 of animals in the vehicle if 1374 01:54:02,610 --> 01:54:04,400 they would just be one bylaw and fraction if they 1375 01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:06,170 would have the jurisdiction to 1376 01:54:06,170 --> 01:54:08,410 interpret those three different finds I just 1377 01:54:08,410 --> 01:54:10,040 wanted to hear from staff for that 1378 01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:11,870 information we share with all counsel prior to 1379 01:54:11,870 --> 01:54:17,460 the vote. Mr. Mathers. Through 1380 01:54:17,460 --> 01:54:19,480 - Your worship, yes, we were able to confirm 1381 01:54:19,480 --> 01:54:22,610 that they would be up to the officer's discretion 1382 01:54:22,610 --> 01:54:24,480 that if there was multiple animals in the vehicle 1383 01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:24,580 , 1384 01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:26,020 that there could be multiple offenses 1385 01:54:26,020 --> 01:54:29,710 related to that situation. 1386 01:54:29,710 --> 01:54:31,370 - Councillor Closell. 1387 01:54:31,370 --> 01:54:33,320 - Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and just thank you for 1388 01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:33,620 staff 1389 01:54:33,620 --> 01:54:34,960 to have checked with legal to make sure 1390 01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:36,860 that that was clarified for the public 1391 01:54:36,860 --> 01:54:40,590 and staff knew what our interpretation was before 1392 01:54:40,590 --> 01:54:41,040 voting. 1393 01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:43,550 Thank you. 1394 01:54:43,550 --> 01:54:45,550 - Great, any other speakers to the items before 1395 01:54:45,550 --> 01:54:47,240 us? 1396 01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:56,530 Seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 1397 01:54:56,530 --> 01:55:01,450 - Close in the vote, motion carries 14 to zero. 1398 01:55:01,450 --> 01:55:02,560 - Go ahead, Councillor Ramen. 1399 01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:04,390 - Thank you, I'll look to put item five on the 1400 01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:05,270 floor. 1401 01:55:05,270 --> 01:55:06,820 - All right, item five's on the floor. 1402 01:55:06,820 --> 01:55:10,070 Is there any speakers to item five? 1403 01:55:10,070 --> 01:55:22,280 Okay, seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 1404 01:55:22,280 --> 01:55:24,100 - Closing the vote, motion carries 13 to zero 1405 01:55:24,100 --> 01:55:27,050 with one recusal. 1406 01:55:27,050 --> 01:55:27,850 - Councillor Ramen. 1407 01:55:27,850 --> 01:55:33,430 - That concludes my report. 1408 01:55:33,430 --> 01:55:34,770 - That's great work and guess what? 1409 01:55:34,770 --> 01:55:36,970 It's so good that we're onto SPPC 1410 01:55:36,970 --> 01:55:38,470 and I believe we're presenting that report too. 1411 01:55:38,470 --> 01:55:41,620 So you can present the next one. 1412 01:55:41,620 --> 01:55:42,890 - Thank you, I stayed standing. 1413 01:55:42,890 --> 01:55:45,630 Okay, with that, I'll present the seventh report 1414 01:55:45,630 --> 01:55:47,340 of SPPC. 1415 01:55:47,340 --> 01:55:51,470 I'll look to put items one through 11. 1416 01:55:51,470 --> 01:55:54,010 Excuse me, 13 and 14 on the floor. 1417 01:55:54,010 --> 01:55:57,580 I've just been asked by one counselor to pull 1418 01:55:57,580 --> 01:55:58,790 item 12. 1419 01:55:58,790 --> 01:56:01,650 - Okay, is there any other items people are 1420 01:56:01,650 --> 01:56:03,700 looking to pull? 1421 01:56:03,700 --> 01:56:06,620 Okay, so you just mentioned you'd put one through 1422 01:56:06,620 --> 01:56:07,170 11, 1423 01:56:07,170 --> 01:56:08,390 13 and 14 on the floor. 1424 01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:10,050 Okay, so we'll consider that on the floor, 1425 01:56:10,050 --> 01:56:14,330 any discussion on those items? 1426 01:56:14,330 --> 01:56:16,400 Go ahead, Councilor Privel. 1427 01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:18,160 - Thank you, I would like to discuss, sorry, 1428 01:56:18,160 --> 01:56:20,750 I'm looking at the five 2.4 strategic 1429 01:56:20,750 --> 01:56:21,670 implementation plan. 1430 01:56:21,670 --> 01:56:25,140 I did talk about it during our SPPC meeting. 1431 01:56:25,140 --> 01:56:26,900 I just want to reiterate again, 1432 01:56:26,900 --> 01:56:30,170 when we started three years ago, 1433 01:56:30,170 --> 01:56:32,210 and it was a lengthy process we did, 1434 01:56:32,210 --> 01:56:35,370 and every single step, our council, we have 1435 01:56:35,370 --> 01:56:36,200 approved, 1436 01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:38,910 and I have to say the staff in terms of the 1437 01:56:38,910 --> 01:56:39,510 progress, 1438 01:56:39,510 --> 01:56:41,470 in terms of the timelines, 1439 01:56:41,470 --> 01:56:44,740 in terms of the delivered results. 1440 01:56:44,740 --> 01:56:47,410 I really think it's been really incredibly 1441 01:56:47,410 --> 01:56:48,290 positive. 1442 01:56:48,290 --> 01:56:50,070 I do think that there's always room for 1443 01:56:50,070 --> 01:56:51,320 improvement. 1444 01:56:51,320 --> 01:56:53,460 the dashboard that's on the internet is 1445 01:56:53,460 --> 01:56:55,550 absolutely amazing. 1446 01:56:55,550 --> 01:56:59,230 I do think, though, that what I would like to-- 1447 01:56:59,230 --> 01:57:01,280 I will discuss this with our legal department 1448 01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:03,010 and with our finance as well. 1449 01:57:03,010 --> 01:57:06,460 I'm really struggling with both our counsel and 1450 01:57:06,460 --> 01:57:07,360 ABCs 1451 01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:10,860 to have financials and strategic plans, which 1452 01:57:10,860 --> 01:57:15,000 are for 99% of corporations worldwide, 1453 01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:18,590 two most important documents to be in the consent 1454 01:57:18,590 --> 01:57:19,460 agenda. 1455 01:57:19,460 --> 01:57:21,580 So therefore, if no one, I really believe that it 1456 01:57:21,580 --> 01:57:25,960 should be under direction, it should 1457 01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:27,150 be going through the detail. 1458 01:57:27,150 --> 01:57:29,650 I know we do have a great, we have a great 1459 01:57:29,650 --> 01:57:32,570 advantage, 88% of our revenues come from 1460 01:57:32,570 --> 01:57:35,220 property tax and from higher levels of government 1461 01:57:35,220 --> 01:57:35,470 . 1462 01:57:35,470 --> 01:57:37,190 So we don't have to stress as much about the 1463 01:57:37,190 --> 01:57:39,090 revenues, but on the other hand, we are still 1464 01:57:39,090 --> 01:57:40,440 very accountable. 1465 01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:42,650 I do want to thank, I do agree that it's on the 1466 01:57:42,650 --> 01:57:44,580 heavy side, but on the other hand, if 1467 01:57:44,580 --> 01:57:47,660 if I look at London, we do have what I call, 1468 01:57:47,660 --> 01:57:50,160 or what we call quite a few silos. 1469 01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:52,290 And I really think that this could be developed 1470 01:57:52,290 --> 01:57:53,180 as well 1471 01:57:53,180 --> 01:57:54,530 with different organization. 1472 01:57:54,530 --> 01:57:56,800 Currently, I think there are something like 15, 1473 01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:57,910 18 of them 1474 01:57:57,910 --> 01:58:00,500 that we can take it further and diminish this sil 1475 01:58:00,500 --> 01:58:00,660 os 1476 01:58:00,660 --> 01:58:02,990 and work together for the half a million of 1477 01:58:02,990 --> 01:58:03,720 Londoners. 1478 01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:05,270 So I think I'm just trying to think, 1479 01:58:05,270 --> 01:58:07,900 if I made to all my points, 1480 01:58:07,900 --> 01:58:09,750 I don't have anything else to add to it. 1481 01:58:09,750 --> 01:58:12,170 Thank you. 1482 01:58:12,170 --> 01:58:13,250 - All right, thanks, Councillor Prigle. 1483 01:58:13,250 --> 01:58:18,270 Any other speakers to this grouping of items? 1484 01:58:18,270 --> 01:58:32,300 Okay, I've seen that roll up in that for voting. 1485 01:58:32,300 --> 01:58:33,100 - Opposed in the vote. 1486 01:58:33,100 --> 01:58:37,420 Motion carries 14 to zero. 1487 01:58:37,420 --> 01:58:38,650 - All right, Councilor Rowan. 1488 01:58:38,650 --> 01:58:40,070 - Thank you, I'll let you put item 12, 1489 01:58:40,070 --> 01:58:41,870 the review of the London Middlesex community 1490 01:58:41,870 --> 01:58:45,760 housing mastery generation plan on floor. 1491 01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:46,680 - Okay, that's on the floor. 1492 01:58:46,680 --> 01:58:49,910 I'll look for any speakers. 1493 01:58:49,910 --> 01:58:53,020 Councilor Trossa. 1494 01:58:53,020 --> 01:58:54,860 - Thank you and through the chair. 1495 01:58:54,860 --> 01:58:57,420 I think I went through my objections to this 1496 01:58:57,420 --> 01:59:00,810 and some great detail at the committee. 1497 01:59:00,810 --> 01:59:03,210 I'm not gonna repeat everything I said. 1498 01:59:03,210 --> 01:59:06,210 I did have some thoughts of presenting some 1499 01:59:06,210 --> 01:59:07,930 amendments today, 1500 01:59:07,930 --> 01:59:12,440 but I think in the interest of sort of keeping 1501 01:59:12,440 --> 01:59:14,080 our record today 1502 01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:16,720 as being a very efficient and short, short 1503 01:59:16,720 --> 01:59:17,310 meeting, 1504 01:59:17,310 --> 01:59:20,920 I'm just gonna say, my comments can wait. 1505 01:59:20,920 --> 01:59:24,510 And my comments about the deficiencies in this 1506 01:59:24,510 --> 01:59:25,150 plan 1507 01:59:25,150 --> 01:59:27,480 can wait for the shareholders meeting. 1508 01:59:27,480 --> 01:59:29,370 And I'll bring them up at that point. 1509 01:59:29,370 --> 01:59:31,420 So I'm not going to take time 1510 01:59:31,420 --> 01:59:34,340 getting into procedural wrangling here today. 1511 01:59:34,340 --> 01:59:37,450 I just want to say, I want to just reiterate. 1512 01:59:37,450 --> 01:59:40,680 I believe that this plan would have been complete 1513 01:59:40,680 --> 01:59:43,590 and it would have been a really good plan 1514 01:59:43,590 --> 01:59:46,840 if it followed through on the outline that was in 1515 01:59:46,840 --> 01:59:47,030 it. 1516 01:59:47,030 --> 01:59:50,170 It missed one of several areas 1517 01:59:50,170 --> 01:59:52,270 and I'm not making any comments about the other 1518 01:59:52,270 --> 01:59:52,550 areas, 1519 01:59:52,550 --> 01:59:55,390 which I'm not opposing any of those. 1520 01:59:55,390 --> 01:59:57,530 These are great things that we need to be 1521 01:59:57,530 --> 01:59:58,600 considering. 1522 01:59:58,600 --> 02:00:00,860 I just think that we have to, and I'll leave it 1523 02:00:00,860 --> 02:00:01,380 with this, 1524 02:00:01,380 --> 02:00:04,480 we have to be paying more attention to the 1525 02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:06,120 current situation 1526 02:00:06,120 --> 02:00:09,710 in terms of the condition of the current 1527 02:00:09,710 --> 02:00:10,700 buildings, 1528 02:00:10,700 --> 02:00:13,510 particularly as they bear on the living 1529 02:00:13,510 --> 02:00:14,390 conditions 1530 02:00:14,390 --> 02:00:18,810 of the tenants and the living conditions of 1531 02:00:18,810 --> 02:00:19,440 people 1532 02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:20,330 in the area. 1533 02:00:20,330 --> 02:00:21,650 So I'll be voting no on this 1534 02:00:21,650 --> 02:00:24,090 and I'll be returning to this issue 1535 02:00:24,090 --> 02:00:26,560 at the shareholders meeting. 1536 02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:28,510 Thank you very much. 1537 02:00:28,510 --> 02:00:35,390 - Okay, any of the speakers? 1538 02:00:35,390 --> 02:00:37,550 Okay, seeing none, we're gonna open that for 1539 02:00:37,550 --> 02:00:52,830 voting. 1540 02:00:52,830 --> 02:00:58,540 - Councillor Hillier. 1541 02:00:58,540 --> 02:01:02,360 Second call, Councillor Hillier. 1542 02:01:02,360 --> 02:01:03,680 Marketing Councillor's absent, 1543 02:01:03,680 --> 02:01:04,500 closing the vote. 1544 02:01:04,500 --> 02:01:07,300 Motion carries 12 to one. 1545 02:01:07,300 --> 02:01:08,090 - Go ahead, Councillor. 1546 02:01:08,090 --> 02:01:10,030 - Thank you, that concludes my report. 1547 02:01:10,030 --> 02:01:11,130 - Perfect, thank you very much. 1548 02:01:11,130 --> 02:01:13,850 We'll move on to 8.4, which is the 10th report 1549 02:01:13,850 --> 02:01:15,550 of Infrastructure and Corporate Services 1550 02:01:15,550 --> 02:01:16,170 Committee. 1551 02:01:16,170 --> 02:01:19,140 I'll have Councillor McAllister present. 1552 02:01:19,140 --> 02:01:20,450 - Thank you, and through the chair, 1553 02:01:20,450 --> 02:01:22,310 I'm pleased to present the 10th report 1554 02:01:22,310 --> 02:01:24,220 of the Infrastructure and Corporate Services 1555 02:01:24,220 --> 02:01:24,770 Committee. 1556 02:01:24,770 --> 02:01:27,190 I've had no requests for any items to be pulled, 1557 02:01:27,190 --> 02:01:28,580 but I'll look to see if anything 1558 02:01:28,580 --> 02:01:31,400 wants to be pulled separate. 1559 02:01:31,400 --> 02:01:32,970 - All right, looking for anybody who would like 1560 02:01:32,970 --> 02:01:38,340 something separate on these matters. 1561 02:01:38,340 --> 02:01:40,790 Okay, seeing none in chambers and seeing any 1562 02:01:40,790 --> 02:01:41,190 online. 1563 02:01:41,190 --> 02:01:44,440 Okay, then you can present a full report. 1564 02:01:44,440 --> 02:01:46,880 Okay, I'll put items one through 14 then on the 1565 02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:48,360 floor. 1566 02:01:48,360 --> 02:01:49,590 Okay, those are on the floor, 1567 02:01:49,590 --> 02:01:53,330 and I will look to any discussion. 1568 02:01:53,330 --> 02:01:55,680 Go ahead, Councilor McAllister. 1569 02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:56,920 Thank you and through the chair. 1570 02:01:56,920 --> 02:01:58,390 I just wanted to reiterate what I said at 1571 02:01:58,390 --> 02:01:58,670 committee 1572 02:01:58,670 --> 02:02:01,180 in terms of item eight, the hybrid avenue, 1573 02:02:01,180 --> 02:02:02,740 non-routine maintenance. 1574 02:02:02,740 --> 02:02:05,260 I really do appreciate all the efforts that went 1575 02:02:05,260 --> 02:02:06,040 into this. 1576 02:02:06,040 --> 02:02:07,780 You know, we rallied all the staff 1577 02:02:07,780 --> 02:02:11,230 different departments. It's greatly appreciated. 1578 02:02:11,230 --> 02:02:13,830 And when I brought this forward, my desire was 1579 02:02:13,830 --> 02:02:17,210 to ensure that we maintain hybrid to a level that 1580 02:02:17,210 --> 02:02:19,970 's appropriate. It's a gateway to our city and I 1581 02:02:19,970 --> 02:02:23,470 just wanted, you know, to bring that forward and 1582 02:02:23,470 --> 02:02:26,650 ensure that we clean it up in a timely fashion. 1583 02:02:26,650 --> 02:02:29,710 So again, appreciate staff and all the work and 1584 02:02:29,710 --> 02:02:32,340 having the extra cleaning I think will really 1585 02:02:32,340 --> 02:02:32,510 help 1586 02:02:32,510 --> 02:02:38,000 because it really it's having that civic pride in 1587 02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:40,040 terms of a gateway to our city so it's just 1588 02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:42,080 really appreciated and I just wanted to leave it 1589 02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:42,970 there. So thanks again. 1590 02:02:42,970 --> 02:02:47,110 Great. Thanks. Any other discussion on the 1591 02:02:47,110 --> 02:02:51,930 matters within the report? Okay. Seeing none, 1592 02:02:51,930 --> 02:02:52,990 we'll open that for voting. 1593 02:02:52,990 --> 02:03:07,770 Closing the vote. Motion carries 13 to 0. 1594 02:03:07,770 --> 02:03:10,060 Okay. We're on the second report of the Audit 1595 02:03:10,060 --> 02:03:11,510 Committee. I know Councillor Palose, 1596 02:03:11,510 --> 02:03:14,300 you're remote, but it looks like one item thing. 1597 02:03:14,300 --> 02:03:17,370 So I'll flip it over to you to present that. 1598 02:03:17,370 --> 02:03:19,790 Thank you, putting the second report of the Audit 1599 02:03:19,790 --> 02:03:21,460 Committee on the floor with no request to pull 1600 02:03:21,460 --> 02:03:25,610 anything I think it'd be odd if we did so we'll 1601 02:03:25,610 --> 02:03:27,240 we'll deal with that just one 1602 02:03:27,240 --> 02:03:30,840 item report any I assume there's no comments on 1603 02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:31,690 disclosures of pecuniary 1604 02:03:31,690 --> 02:03:32,990 interest for the audit committee so we'll just 1605 02:03:32,990 --> 02:03:33,910 gonna open night for voting 1606 02:03:33,910 --> 02:03:48,660 closing the vote motion carries 13 to 0 thanks 1607 02:03:48,660 --> 02:03:52,390 council proposal added reports 1608 02:03:52,390 --> 02:03:55,360 I will have council McAllister present the added 1609 02:03:55,360 --> 02:03:58,810 report thank you please to 1610 02:03:58,810 --> 02:04:01,080 present the ninth report of council and closed 1611 02:04:01,080 --> 02:04:02,970 session this is your council 1612 02:04:02,970 --> 02:04:05,070 and closed session report item number one 1613 02:04:05,070 --> 02:04:06,280 acquisition buyback of 1614 02:04:06,280 --> 02:04:08,490 Industrial Land from Thompson Food Incorporated, 1615 02:04:08,490 --> 02:04:10,770 here on Industrial Park C1, 1616 02:04:10,770 --> 02:04:12,490 that on the recommendation of the deputy city 1617 02:04:12,490 --> 02:04:12,680 manager 1618 02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:14,730 finance supports on the advice of director of Re 1619 02:04:14,730 --> 02:04:15,470 alty Services 1620 02:04:15,470 --> 02:04:17,340 with the concurrence of the director, 1621 02:04:17,340 --> 02:04:19,020 municipal housing and industrial development, 1622 02:04:19,020 --> 02:04:20,530 housing and community growth, 1623 02:04:20,530 --> 02:04:22,610 with respect to industrial land located in here 1624 02:04:22,610 --> 02:04:24,080 on Industrial Park C1, 1625 02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:27,430 containing an area of one acre being part of lot 1626 02:04:27,430 --> 02:04:27,750 four, 1627 02:04:27,750 --> 02:04:32,930 concession three, being part 11 in plan 33R-2178, 1628 02:04:34,480 --> 02:04:37,130 in the geographic township of London, 1629 02:04:37,130 --> 02:04:39,000 township of London, city of London, 1630 02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:41,220 county of Middlesex, as outlined on the sketch 1631 02:04:41,220 --> 02:04:41,660 attached 1632 02:04:41,660 --> 02:04:44,690 as Appendix C, the following actions we've taken, 1633 02:04:44,690 --> 02:04:46,450 A, the agreement of the purchase and sale, 1634 02:04:46,450 --> 02:04:48,320 the agreement attached as Appendix B, 1635 02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:50,300 submitted by the corporation of the city of 1636 02:04:50,300 --> 02:04:50,830 London, 1637 02:04:50,830 --> 02:04:53,400 purchaser to repurchase one acre of the subject 1638 02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:54,020 property 1639 02:04:54,020 --> 02:04:55,570 from Thompson Foods Incorporated, 1640 02:04:55,570 --> 02:04:59,430 the vendor for the sum of 157,500 1641 02:04:59,430 --> 02:05:01,380 be accepted subject to the terms and conditions 1642 02:05:01,380 --> 02:05:02,820 set out in the agreement, 1643 02:05:02,820 --> 02:05:04,610 and B, the civic administration be directed 1644 02:05:04,610 --> 02:05:06,880 to apply the financing for this procurement 1645 02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:09,220 as set out in the source of financing report 1646 02:05:09,220 --> 02:05:11,840 attached here to as Appendix A. 1647 02:05:11,840 --> 02:05:15,390 The progress was made with respect to items 4.2, 1648 02:05:15,390 --> 02:05:16,790 6.2, 1649 02:05:16,790 --> 02:05:19,540 slash 10, slash IACSC, 1650 02:05:19,540 --> 02:05:24,470 and 4.3, 6.1, slash two, slash AC, 1651 02:05:24,470 --> 02:05:30,030 as noted on the public agenda. 1652 02:05:30,030 --> 02:05:32,960 - Okay, that's moved by Councillor McAllister. 1653 02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:35,540 Any discussion on that? 1654 02:05:35,540 --> 02:05:46,510 Okay, we'll open that for voting. 1655 02:05:46,510 --> 02:05:51,160 Those in the vote, motion carries 14 to zero. 1656 02:05:51,160 --> 02:05:52,680 - All right, thanks, Councillor McAllister. 1657 02:05:52,680 --> 02:05:55,760 We're on to deferred matters. 1658 02:05:55,760 --> 02:05:59,030 There are none, inquiries, any inquiries? 1659 02:05:59,030 --> 02:06:01,990 Kept seeing none, emergent motions. 1660 02:06:01,990 --> 02:06:07,110 We have none, we're on to bylaws. 1661 02:06:07,110 --> 02:06:12,330 So, we are gonna do bylaws in this way. 1662 02:06:12,330 --> 02:06:14,710 218 will be first, Councillor Frank, 1663 02:06:14,710 --> 02:06:17,060 that's the one you declared an interest on. 1664 02:06:17,060 --> 02:06:20,620 235 will be second, that's the Wellington Gateway 1665 02:06:20,620 --> 02:06:25,410 expropriation that we dealt with before. 1666 02:06:25,410 --> 02:06:28,690 And then everything else plus the third reading 1667 02:06:28,690 --> 02:06:29,650 of Bill 19, 1668 02:06:29,650 --> 02:06:31,830 which I believe is a drainage by-law 1669 02:06:31,830 --> 02:06:32,940 that we have to do third reading up. 1670 02:06:32,940 --> 02:06:35,780 So we'll do it in three separate steps. 1671 02:06:35,780 --> 02:06:37,550 Is there someone willing to move all of those? 1672 02:06:37,550 --> 02:06:39,430 Councillor Cuddy and second all of them, 1673 02:06:39,430 --> 02:06:40,670 Councillor McAllister. 1674 02:06:40,670 --> 02:06:45,350 And okay, so we'll start with the item 1675 02:06:45,350 --> 02:06:46,790 that Councillor Frank declared a pecuniary 1676 02:06:46,790 --> 02:06:47,610 interest on. 1677 02:06:47,610 --> 02:06:58,450 We'll open that for first reading. 1678 02:06:58,450 --> 02:07:02,810 - Motion carries 13-0 with one recusal. 1679 02:07:02,810 --> 02:07:05,570 - And second reading moved and seconded. 1680 02:07:05,570 --> 02:07:08,050 Any discussion on second reading? 1681 02:07:08,050 --> 02:07:22,410 Seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 1682 02:07:22,410 --> 02:07:27,490 - Motion carries 13-0 with one recusal. 1683 02:07:27,490 --> 02:07:29,230 - And third reading, same mover and seconder. 1684 02:07:29,230 --> 02:07:39,470 We'll open that for voting. 1685 02:07:39,470 --> 02:07:46,690 - Motion carries 13-0 with one recusal. 1686 02:07:46,690 --> 02:07:49,330 - Next we will deal with the Wellington Gateway 1687 02:07:49,330 --> 02:07:51,140 expropriation by-law. 1688 02:07:51,140 --> 02:07:54,170 We've got same mover and seconder for this. 1689 02:07:54,170 --> 02:08:05,300 I'll open first reading for voting. 1690 02:08:05,300 --> 02:08:09,680 - Motion carries 13-1. 1691 02:08:09,680 --> 02:08:11,270 - Okay, and second reading of the same by-law. 1692 02:08:11,270 --> 02:08:14,520 Any discussion? 1693 02:08:14,520 --> 02:08:36,730 Seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 1694 02:08:36,730 --> 02:08:40,110 - It carries 13 to one. 1695 02:08:40,110 --> 02:08:42,650 - And third and final reading of that by-law, 1696 02:08:42,650 --> 02:08:54,100 we will open that for voting. 1697 02:08:54,100 --> 02:08:58,170 - It carries 13 to one. 1698 02:08:58,170 --> 02:09:01,840 - Okay, next will be all the other remaining 1699 02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:02,760 items 1700 02:09:02,760 --> 02:09:08,260 plus the added item that Councilor McAllister 1701 02:09:08,260 --> 02:09:10,760 presented coming out of closed session. 1702 02:09:10,760 --> 02:09:12,440 That'll be moved and seconded by the same two 1703 02:09:12,440 --> 02:09:12,780 counselors 1704 02:09:12,780 --> 02:09:25,700 and we'll open first reading for voting. 1705 02:09:25,700 --> 02:09:28,030 - Motion carries 14 to zero. 1706 02:09:28,030 --> 02:09:30,200 - And second reading on that set of by-laws, 1707 02:09:30,200 --> 02:09:33,170 any discussion? 1708 02:09:33,170 --> 02:09:45,110 Seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 1709 02:09:45,110 --> 02:09:51,880 carries 14 to 0. Third and final reading for that 1710 02:09:51,880 --> 02:09:57,250 set of bylaws and on this one 1711 02:09:57,250 --> 02:09:59,570 the third reading of bill 19 which is a drainage 1712 02:09:59,570 --> 02:10:01,400 bylaw so same mover and 1713 02:10:01,400 --> 02:10:03,480 seconder for all that plus the third reading of 1714 02:10:03,480 --> 02:10:05,000 the other bylaw will open 1715 02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:15,290 this final reading for voting. Motion carries 14 1716 02:10:15,290 --> 02:10:20,990 to 0. Okay that's it that 1717 02:10:20,990 --> 02:10:23,810 means I just need a motion to adjourn. Councillor 1718 02:10:23,810 --> 02:10:24,570 McAllister seconded by 1719 02:10:24,570 --> 02:10:26,940 Councillor ramen we can use by hand all those in 1720 02:10:26,940 --> 02:10:30,480 favor of adjournment thank you 1721 02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:31,170 we're adjourned.