1 00:12:04,350 --> 00:12:10,920 - Okay, thank you, please be seated. 2 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,970 Okay, welcome to the 11th meeting of council. 3 00:12:14,970 --> 00:12:16,400 I'm gonna start with an land acknowledgement. 4 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,070 We acknowledge that we are gathered today 5 00:12:18,070 --> 00:12:19,890 on the traditional lands of the Anishinaabak, 6 00:12:19,890 --> 00:12:22,460 Haudenosaunee, Lene Peiwak, and Adawandran 7 00:12:22,460 --> 00:12:23,030 peoples. 8 00:12:23,030 --> 00:12:24,540 We honor respect the history, language, 9 00:12:24,540 --> 00:12:26,080 and culture of the diverse indigenous people 10 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,970 who call this territory home. 11 00:12:27,970 --> 00:12:29,480 We acknowledge all of the treaties 12 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,110 that are specific to this area. 13 00:12:31,110 --> 00:12:33,190 Two Row Wampum Belt Treaty of the Haudenosaunee 14 00:12:33,190 --> 00:12:33,740 Confederacy, 15 00:12:33,740 --> 00:12:35,240 so we're coming to chain. 16 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,110 Beaver Hunting Grounds of the Haudenosaunee 17 00:12:37,110 --> 00:12:39,340 Nanfantry of 1701. 18 00:12:39,340 --> 00:12:41,680 the McKee Treaty of 1790, the London Township 19 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:43,730 Treaty of 1796. 20 00:12:43,730 --> 00:12:47,460 Here on track treaty of 1827 with the Anishinaab 21 00:12:47,460 --> 00:12:47,570 ek 22 00:12:47,570 --> 00:12:49,920 and the Dish With One Spoon Covenant Wampum, 23 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,490 the Anishinaabek and the Haudenosaunee. 24 00:12:52,490 --> 00:12:54,310 The three indigenous nations that are neighbors 25 00:12:54,310 --> 00:12:55,340 to London 26 00:12:55,340 --> 00:12:57,020 are the Chippewaas of the Thames First Nation, 27 00:12:57,020 --> 00:12:58,770 Oneida Nation of the Thames and the Muncie 28 00:12:58,770 --> 00:12:59,180 Delaware Nation 29 00:12:59,180 --> 00:13:02,200 who all continue to live as sovereign nations 30 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,770 with individual and unique languages, cultures 31 00:13:04,770 --> 00:13:09,840 and customs. 32 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,100 The city of London is also committed 33 00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:12,830 to making every effort to providing alternate 34 00:13:12,830 --> 00:13:13,110 formats 35 00:13:13,110 --> 00:13:15,640 communication supports for meetings upon request. 36 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:16,700 If you'd like to make a 37 00:13:16,700 --> 00:13:18,590 request specific to this meeting you can contact 38 00:13:18,590 --> 00:13:20,330 council agenda at London.ca 39 00:13:20,330 --> 00:13:38,870 or 519-661-2489 extension-2425. Okay next we're 40 00:13:38,870 --> 00:13:40,480 going to do our national 41 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,570 anthem singer. Connor Elge is a Canadian 42 00:13:43,570 --> 00:13:46,860 instrumental artist who makes music 43 00:13:46,860 --> 00:13:51,650 that blends soundscapes with technical guitar 44 00:13:51,650 --> 00:13:53,270 playing. Connor makes music for 45 00:13:53,270 --> 00:13:56,560 those with too much going on in their heads and 46 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:57,690 hopes that his music can help 47 00:13:57,690 --> 00:14:00,450 them as his playing does for himself. Connor has 48 00:14:00,450 --> 00:14:01,910 a new song being released on 49 00:14:01,910 --> 00:14:04,570 the 26th named Stars. Please rise and join me in 50 00:14:04,570 --> 00:14:05,730 welcoming Connor who will now 51 00:14:05,730 --> 00:17:14,750 perform the National Anthem for us. Thanks again. 52 00:17:14,750 --> 00:17:16,370 That was pretty awesome. 53 00:17:16,370 --> 00:17:21,280 Turning to the disclosures of pecuniary interest, 54 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:22,100 I look to colleagues who have 55 00:17:22,100 --> 00:17:30,120 any disclosures for us today. Dean Nunn will move 56 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:32,180 to recognitions and the first 57 00:17:32,180 --> 00:17:34,020 recognition will be by Deputy Mayor Lewis, 58 00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:36,190 followed by Councillor Pribble, followed by 59 00:17:36,190 --> 00:17:36,850 myself 60 00:17:36,850 --> 00:17:39,770 and then a presentation that I'll be making, 61 00:17:39,770 --> 00:17:42,240 which is already listed in the agenda. So I'll go 62 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:42,850 to 63 00:17:42,850 --> 00:17:48,290 Deputy Mayor Lewis first. Thank you, Your Worship 64 00:17:48,290 --> 00:17:51,770 and through you and colleagues and staff and 65 00:17:51,770 --> 00:17:54,740 the members of the public. I wanted today to take 66 00:17:54,740 --> 00:17:57,360 a moment what I would normally do at the start of 67 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,650 June. However, I was certainly not up to it 68 00:17:59,650 --> 00:18:02,510 health-wise at the last Council meeting to 69 00:18:02,510 --> 00:18:02,870 recognize that 70 00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:06,740 June is National Pride Month, and there have been 71 00:18:06,740 --> 00:18:08,940 celebrations throughout this month, particularly 72 00:18:08,940 --> 00:18:11,600 in Councillor Frank's Ward 11 worthy Pride 73 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,740 Festival, but celebrations are happening across 74 00:18:14,740 --> 00:18:15,280 the country 75 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:21,180 for the LGBTQ+ community. And on the weekend, the 76 00:18:21,180 --> 00:18:24,460 Pride flag will fly in Reg Cooper Square on the 77 00:18:24,460 --> 00:18:28,100 community flagpole in recognition of the Stonew 78 00:18:28,100 --> 00:18:31,620 all Riots, which started in the early hours of 79 00:18:31,620 --> 00:18:31,930 June 80 00:18:31,930 --> 00:18:35,820 27th and continued on for five days afterwards. 81 00:18:35,820 --> 00:18:38,210 The flag will fly in recognition until Canada 82 00:18:38,210 --> 00:18:42,200 day. And then, of course, London celebrates our 83 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,720 Pride Festival in Victoria Park in July. 84 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,160 And I know that the Pride Festival has asked for 85 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,350 the flag to be flown again during that 86 00:18:49,350 --> 00:18:53,470 celebration. And so we will be celebrating twice 87 00:18:53,470 --> 00:18:56,140 in London, recognizing that we have 88 00:18:56,140 --> 00:19:00,640 a different local celebration than the National 89 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,100 Pride Month. However, it is a time for both 90 00:19:04,100 --> 00:19:07,650 members of the LGBTQ+ community and their allies 91 00:19:07,650 --> 00:19:09,950 to come together and celebrate our 92 00:19:09,950 --> 00:19:10,930 diversity. 93 00:19:10,930 --> 00:19:12,660 So I just wanted to take this opportunity to 94 00:19:12,660 --> 00:19:13,960 recognize Pride Month and wish everyone 95 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,160 a happy Pride. 96 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,110 Thank you. 97 00:19:18,110 --> 00:19:19,700 I'll go to Councillor Pribble next. 98 00:19:19,700 --> 00:19:20,880 Thank you. 99 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,020 How can't I recognize Canadian national soccer 100 00:19:23,020 --> 00:19:24,370 team during the World Cup? 101 00:19:24,370 --> 00:19:26,690 I know it's only two games but so far. 102 00:19:26,690 --> 00:19:29,580 First Indoor Group, tomorrow at 3 p.m. they play 103 00:19:29,580 --> 00:19:31,390 in Switzerland with a draw, they'll be 104 00:19:31,390 --> 00:19:33,600 first in the group and it will guarantee them 105 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,420 staying in Canada in Vancouver. Certainly already 106 00:19:36,420 --> 00:19:39,110 a great accomplishment. I want to invite everyone 107 00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:41,840 4th of July at Victoria Park. We have a fan fest, 108 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,820 FIFA fan fest. And of course, first, July 1st, 109 00:19:44,820 --> 00:19:47,820 Canada Day, lots of events throughout the city 110 00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:50,590 and especially downtown. Welcome everyone and 111 00:19:50,590 --> 00:19:53,010 enjoy it. Have a great time with your families 112 00:19:53,010 --> 00:19:53,170 and 113 00:19:53,170 --> 00:19:56,360 friends. Thank you Mayor. Thank you. I appreciate 114 00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:59,100 that Council approval. I'm going to move to the 115 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:19,480 podium for my next two recognitions. I'll just, 116 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:24,290 let me just move this closer. Okay, there we go. 117 00:20:24,290 --> 00:20:29,100 So the first recognition I want to do is 118 00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:33,550 recognizing those who serve on the front lines, 119 00:20:33,550 --> 00:20:33,970 whether it's 120 00:20:33,970 --> 00:20:36,840 EMS, fire, London Police Service, healthcare 121 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,320 staff, or even the bystanders involved in the 122 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,840 incident that happened at Sherwood Forest Mall, 123 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,380 where an individual ended up going through the 124 00:20:46,380 --> 00:20:46,860 wall 125 00:20:46,860 --> 00:20:52,740 and coming into a class that was currently going 126 00:20:52,740 --> 00:20:53,490 on that morning. 127 00:20:53,490 --> 00:20:56,540 I know we've said many times how important all 128 00:20:56,540 --> 00:20:57,850 those frontline staffers are 129 00:20:57,850 --> 00:21:00,410 and everybody out in the emergency services who 130 00:21:00,410 --> 00:21:02,370 act and respond very quickly in incidents. 131 00:21:02,370 --> 00:21:06,060 But I came across a story from one of the 132 00:21:06,060 --> 00:21:10,430 paramedics about a bystander who intervened 133 00:21:10,430 --> 00:21:11,310 shortly afterwards 134 00:21:11,310 --> 00:21:14,570 and it struck me that the story was so impactful 135 00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:16,160 that I wanted to share it today. 136 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,570 These aren't my words, these are something I'm 137 00:21:18,570 --> 00:21:19,560 going to read. 138 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,810 And the story recognizes the heroic actions of 139 00:21:22,810 --> 00:21:24,430 Mia LaRue. 140 00:21:24,430 --> 00:21:27,080 Mia is a frontline paramedic with London Middles 141 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,320 ex Paramedic Services, 142 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,710 and while only in her second year as a paramedic, 143 00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:32,810 she just demonstrated the skill, compassion, and 144 00:21:32,810 --> 00:21:33,490 calm leadership 145 00:21:33,490 --> 00:21:36,250 that defined the very best of our public service. 146 00:21:36,250 --> 00:21:38,290 She was off duty at the gym. 147 00:21:38,290 --> 00:21:40,580 She heard the sound of a crash and immediately 148 00:21:40,580 --> 00:21:41,380 responded. 149 00:21:41,380 --> 00:21:43,360 Seeing a cloud of dust and debris, she ran 150 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:44,120 towards the scene 151 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:45,980 where she found multiple people injured, 152 00:21:45,980 --> 00:21:47,850 including a woman trapped beneath a vehicle 153 00:21:47,850 --> 00:21:49,480 that had crashed through a wall. 154 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,750 Without hesitation, Mia stepped forward to help, 155 00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:53,650 recognizing the immediate danger, 156 00:21:53,650 --> 00:21:55,720 including the vehicle leaking fluids, 157 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,830 the risk posed by the vehicle remaining in gear, 158 00:21:58,830 --> 00:22:00,530 and the dangerous position of the debris 159 00:22:00,530 --> 00:22:02,000 surrounding the trapped woman, 160 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,740 Mia acted quickly to protect the woman 161 00:22:03,740 --> 00:22:04,930 in those nearby. 162 00:22:04,930 --> 00:22:06,880 She placed the vehicle in park, 163 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,320 assessed the situation, 164 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,160 and began directing bystanders and staff to 165 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:11,950 assist. 166 00:22:11,950 --> 00:22:13,520 When police arrived, Mia's experience 167 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,990 as an off-duty paramedic was quickly recognized, 168 00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:17,780 Working together, Mia and the other responding 169 00:22:17,780 --> 00:22:18,180 officer 170 00:22:18,180 --> 00:22:20,060 were able to move the vehicle to a safer position 171 00:22:20,060 --> 00:22:20,180 , 172 00:22:20,180 --> 00:22:23,070 allowing Mia to reach the woman and help free her 173 00:22:23,070 --> 00:22:23,700 . 174 00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:25,530 Her actions reflect the very best qualities 175 00:22:25,530 --> 00:22:27,800 of a paramedic and a member of the community. 176 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,830 Courage, professionalism, compassion, 177 00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:32,400 and a willingness to serve others whenever help 178 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,210 is needed. 179 00:22:33,210 --> 00:22:35,280 On behalf of council and the residents of London, 180 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,350 we extend our sincere appreciation to Mia 181 00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:39,230 for her bravery and dedication. 182 00:22:39,230 --> 00:22:41,530 Her actions made a meaningful difference 183 00:22:41,530 --> 00:22:43,960 during a frightening moment and serve as an 184 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:44,760 example 185 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,640 to the testament that the impact that one person 186 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,150 can have when they choose to step forward 187 00:22:49,150 --> 00:22:50,980 and help in a moment of crisis. 188 00:22:50,980 --> 00:22:53,290 London is fortunate to have people like Mia among 189 00:22:53,290 --> 00:22:55,150 us and to Mia and all of the emergency 190 00:22:55,150 --> 00:22:57,300 responders who responded that day. 191 00:22:57,300 --> 00:22:59,170 Thank you for making our city safer and a 192 00:22:59,170 --> 00:23:00,840 compassionate place to live. 193 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,590 You make a difference in our community each and 194 00:23:02,590 --> 00:23:03,200 every day. 195 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:10,130 Thank you. 196 00:23:10,130 --> 00:23:13,370 And now on to what we do on an annual basis and 197 00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:16,840 that is the recognition of the contributions 198 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,840 that OLG makes through the municipal contribution 199 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,760 agreement, and each and every year we recognize 200 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,930 the significant contribution they make to our 201 00:23:24,930 --> 00:23:27,270 community through us hosting a gaming site 202 00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:28,270 here. 203 00:23:28,270 --> 00:23:30,080 So I'm pleased to begin today's meeting by 204 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,180 acknowledging that the Ontario Lottery Gaming 205 00:23:32,180 --> 00:23:35,370 Corporation OLG has its continuing investment in 206 00:23:35,370 --> 00:23:38,090 London, Ontario through that municipal 207 00:23:38,090 --> 00:23:38,730 contribution 208 00:23:38,730 --> 00:23:39,730 agreement. 209 00:23:39,730 --> 00:23:41,510 In 1999, the City of London entered into a 210 00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:44,080 municipal contribution agreement with the OLG. 211 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,480 this agreement, OLG provides an annual share of 212 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,120 the gaming revenues generated from Gateway 213 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:51,170 Casino London to the City of London. These funds 214 00:23:51,170 --> 00:23:52,590 are then earmarked for projects that 215 00:23:52,590 --> 00:23:55,390 positively impact residents from all corners of 216 00:23:55,390 --> 00:23:58,300 our vibrant community. From April 1st, 2025 217 00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:02,450 to March 31st, 2026, we received over $5 million 218 00:24:02,450 --> 00:24:04,690 from OLG through the revenue generated at 219 00:24:04,690 --> 00:24:07,020 Gateway Casino. This revenue has played a crucial 220 00:24:07,020 --> 00:24:08,730 role in supporting several essential 221 00:24:08,730 --> 00:24:11,170 community initiatives, including funding for not- 222 00:24:11,170 --> 00:24:13,020 for-profit organizations through the 223 00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:15,060 City of London Community Grants Program. 224 00:24:15,060 --> 00:24:21,010 Specifically, Type DIABIT was allocated funds 225 00:24:21,010 --> 00:24:25,200 to support BIPOC food literacy programs. The 226 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,450 program promotes food literacy through teaching 227 00:24:27,450 --> 00:24:29,770 the health benefits of cultural leading, 228 00:24:29,770 --> 00:24:32,410 maintaining cultural food practices while making 229 00:24:32,410 --> 00:24:32,780 healthier 230 00:24:32,780 --> 00:24:36,150 choices with an emphasis on flavors from the 231 00:24:36,150 --> 00:24:40,320 African diaspora. Through it, 227 children 232 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,350 and youth had access to the cultural food 233 00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:46,660 literacy provided to them and other equity 234 00:24:46,660 --> 00:24:49,840 denied groups to learn about nutrition, food 235 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,040 security and the skills for food connections 236 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,630 to identity to health and community. 237 00:24:55,630 --> 00:24:57,390 Today we're honored to be joined by 238 00:24:57,390 --> 00:24:59,800 representatives from the organization that has 239 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:00,620 greatly benefited 240 00:25:00,620 --> 00:25:03,450 from the funds provided through this partnership 241 00:25:03,450 --> 00:25:04,170 with OLG. 242 00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:05,920 They have provided a pivotal role in our 243 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,980 community's well-being and are grateful, we are 244 00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:08,230 grateful 245 00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:10,640 to recognize their outstanding contributions 246 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,610 today. 247 00:25:11,610 --> 00:25:13,920 So they're here with us right over here. 248 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,000 So thank you very much. 249 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,310 The remaining funds received from April 1st, 2025 250 00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:21,260 to March 31st, 2026 through the municipal 251 00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:21,780 contribution 252 00:25:21,780 --> 00:25:24,430 agreement were used for a range of projects, 253 00:25:24,430 --> 00:25:25,240 including 254 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,400 the restoration of the roof at Deerness Home, 255 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,790 the cities of London's long-term care facility, 256 00:25:29,790 --> 00:25:31,540 various recreational facility upgrades 257 00:25:31,540 --> 00:25:34,010 which include replacing the roofs at Argal Arena, 258 00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:36,000 the Canada Games Aquatic Center, replacing the 259 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,480 pool heater 260 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,630 at Silverwoods Park, transforming the former Glen 261 00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:41,540 Carren Arena to community space and replacing 262 00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:45,100 the gym floor at the Boyle Community Center. 263 00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:47,570 Local road reconstruction programs to reconstruct 264 00:25:47,570 --> 00:25:49,880 roads, replace catch basins, install new curbs 265 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,000 and gatters, repair sidewalks, including new 266 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:52,320 ramps 267 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,920 and tactile plates. Strengthening the green fleet 268 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,330 with the purchase of 11 hybrid vehicles for the 269 00:25:57,330 --> 00:26:00,640 corporate fleet, continuing to support for other 270 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,440 community organizations. So these are supports 271 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,580 been done in the past but are continuing on. The 272 00:26:05,580 --> 00:26:07,810 Boys and Girls Club operating funding to support 273 00:26:07,810 --> 00:26:09,720 seniors programming, children and youth 274 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,980 recreation, social and nutrition programs and 275 00:26:11,980 --> 00:26:12,500 education and 276 00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:14,960 leadership initiatives. The London and Middlesex 277 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,070 Heritage Museum operating funding to support 278 00:26:17,070 --> 00:26:19,430 Fanshawe Pioneer Village delivering programs and 279 00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:21,770 events and educational activities and exhibits 280 00:26:21,770 --> 00:26:24,540 and preserving its collection of 33 original and 281 00:26:24,540 --> 00:26:28,000 replica buildings and more than 40,000 artifacts. 282 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,960 in total the city has received now 107.7 million 283 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,650 in non-tax gaming revenue for hosting a gaming 284 00:26:35,650 --> 00:26:38,380 facility in London since the inception of this 285 00:26:38,380 --> 00:26:41,020 agreement in 1999. These revenues are a 286 00:26:41,020 --> 00:26:41,720 cornerstone 287 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,770 for the support for local programs and essential 288 00:26:43,770 --> 00:26:47,060 infrastructure making substantial tangible 289 00:26:47,060 --> 00:26:49,180 differences in the lives of the people of London 290 00:26:49,180 --> 00:26:52,100 Ontario. I'd also like to recognize Gateway 291 00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:54,040 Casino London as a key employer in the old East 292 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,730 Village community. Following a total investment 293 00:26:56,730 --> 00:26:59,380 of approximately 54 million. The casino's 294 00:26:59,380 --> 00:27:01,990 workforce has now grown to about 329 employees 295 00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:04,470 creating more than 80 new jobs and contributing 296 00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:06,200 to the local economy. Thank you for your 297 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:06,680 continued 298 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,570 partnership and investment in London OLG. I'd now 299 00:27:09,570 --> 00:27:11,700 like to introduce Kathleen Devine, 300 00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:14,020 Senior Municipal Relations Manager at OLG, who 301 00:27:14,020 --> 00:27:16,960 will be providing a couple of remarks and 302 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:25,710 bringing a big giant check to the front. Yes. So 303 00:27:25,710 --> 00:27:29,520 good afternoon everybody. I'm Kathleen Devine, 304 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,180 senior municipal relations manager at OLG. And I 305 00:27:33,180 --> 00:27:35,380 am the lucky person that gets to come into London 306 00:27:35,380 --> 00:27:39,140 every year for this community recognition program 307 00:27:39,140 --> 00:27:42,190 event. So I do want to thank yourself 308 00:27:42,190 --> 00:27:45,700 Mayor Morgan, council and city staff for inviting 309 00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:50,550 OLG here every year. This year was fun because 310 00:27:50,550 --> 00:27:54,260 we've had a busy morning traveling around London, 311 00:27:54,260 --> 00:27:57,960 getting a behind the scenes look at where some of 312 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,670 of the money has gone to. 313 00:27:59,670 --> 00:28:02,250 And so we traveled to Silverwoods Park 314 00:28:02,250 --> 00:28:04,960 for the new heater and filtration system 315 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,870 for the outdoor pool, which is amazing 316 00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:09,230 if you haven't been there, you should go. 317 00:28:09,230 --> 00:28:12,810 We went to the North London Optimus Community 318 00:28:12,810 --> 00:28:13,410 Center 319 00:28:13,410 --> 00:28:17,160 and saw the new flooring for the indoor tennis 320 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:17,790 courts, 321 00:28:17,790 --> 00:28:21,950 all really tangible, positive impacts across 322 00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:22,450 London. 323 00:28:22,450 --> 00:28:26,110 And we were incredibly lucky to spend an hour or 324 00:28:26,110 --> 00:28:26,310 so 325 00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:32,020 with mystery and Gonzales from type diabetes, it 326 00:28:32,020 --> 00:28:32,630 was incredible. 327 00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:35,710 Looking at this garden that they have growing all 328 00:28:35,710 --> 00:28:36,500 of these 329 00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:40,990 various types of foods, plant-based, 330 00:28:40,990 --> 00:28:43,610 gorgeous vegetables in their greenhouse, 331 00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:46,800 out in the garden, learning about their 332 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,650 commitment 333 00:28:47,650 --> 00:28:51,990 to food education and inclusivity 334 00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:57,300 and equality across understanding food 335 00:28:58,060 --> 00:29:00,620 and how to access it. 336 00:29:00,620 --> 00:29:03,860 I can't say enough about type diabetes. 337 00:29:03,860 --> 00:29:07,350 And so, of course, the thanks goes to American 338 00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:07,960 Council 339 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,520 for choosing type diabetes as one of their 340 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,230 recipients 341 00:29:13,230 --> 00:29:14,580 of your community grant program. 342 00:29:14,580 --> 00:29:17,790 So, incredible work to all of you. 343 00:29:17,790 --> 00:29:21,510 Again, from OLG, all of this community impact 344 00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:24,850 resonates with us 100% of our profits 345 00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:27,600 go back into the province every year. 346 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,470 and it's something we're really proud of. 347 00:29:29,470 --> 00:29:33,260 So thank you for inviting us here every year. 348 00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:35,840 Thank you to Tanvi for taking us on this 349 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,840 behind the scenes London tour. 350 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,010 And we look forward to coming back again next 351 00:29:42,010 --> 00:29:42,830 year. 352 00:29:42,830 --> 00:29:45,650 And now we'll just take a big check presentation, 353 00:29:45,650 --> 00:29:46,700 shall we? 354 00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:50,630 So please come on up and join us. 355 00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:51,980 So as Mayor Morgan mentioned, 356 00:29:51,980 --> 00:29:54,520 this is the amount the city of London received 357 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,680 fiscal 26 and I'll just grab it and I guess 358 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,160 probably stand in front. Yeah. And we are 359 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,270 pleased on behalf of all of OLG to present the 360 00:30:06,270 --> 00:30:10,470 amount of 5,051,022 dollars. 361 00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:13,660 Yeah. Thank you. 362 00:30:13,660 --> 00:30:30,360 (audience applauding) 363 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:42,340 - Thanks, I'll just return to the seat. 364 00:30:42,340 --> 00:30:44,460 That's really appreciate the words today 365 00:30:44,460 --> 00:31:09,680 and we'll continue on with the meeting. 366 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:28,690 Thank you for bearing with us on that. 367 00:31:28,690 --> 00:31:31,130 We are now on to review of confidential matters 368 00:31:31,130 --> 00:31:32,910 to be considered in public. 369 00:31:32,910 --> 00:31:34,880 There are none, we're moving to council in close 370 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:35,600 session 371 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:44,070 of which there are all of the items before us. 372 00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:47,710 - Okay, they're all here, 4.1 through 4.8. 373 00:31:47,710 --> 00:31:49,130 So I look for a motion to go into camera 374 00:31:49,130 --> 00:31:49,960 for all those items. 375 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:50,720 I'll let the council frank, 376 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,900 seconded by councilor Hopkins, 377 00:31:52,900 --> 00:32:12,810 we'll open that for voting. 378 00:32:12,810 --> 00:32:15,780 - Closing the vote, motion carries 14 to zero. 379 00:32:15,780 --> 00:32:17,520 - Okay, and we'll be moving to committee room 380 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:17,710 five. 381 00:32:17,710 --> 00:32:19,480 So members of the public, you can stay here 382 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,820 and we will return as soon as we're done 383 00:32:20,820 --> 01:51:05,580 in camera session. 384 01:51:05,580 --> 01:51:11,500 Okay, please be seated. 385 01:51:11,500 --> 01:51:14,400 Okay, that brings us to 386 01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:15,980 confirmation and signing of previous minutes. 387 01:51:15,980 --> 01:51:17,370 We have two sets of minutes that we could do 388 01:51:17,370 --> 01:51:17,680 together. 389 01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:18,700 That's the ninth meeting 390 01:51:18,700 --> 01:51:21,200 in the 10th special meeting. 391 01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:23,590 I'll look for a mover and seconder for those. 392 01:51:23,590 --> 01:51:26,790 Councillor McAllister, seconded by Councillor Leh 393 01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:27,850 man. 394 01:51:27,850 --> 01:51:32,320 Any discussion on the minutes? 395 01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:48,610 Okay, seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 396 01:51:48,610 --> 01:51:59,280 - No, any Councillor for available? 397 01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:05,930 - Oh, yes. 398 01:52:05,930 --> 01:52:09,960 - Opposed in vote, motion carries 14-0. 399 01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:13,000 - Okay, onto motions, oh, sorry. 400 01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:16,100 Onto communications and petitions, 401 01:52:16,100 --> 01:52:18,090 there are a fair number of them, 402 01:52:18,090 --> 01:52:20,620 but they all relate to components of the agenda. 403 01:52:20,620 --> 01:52:22,360 So there's a motion to refer all those 404 01:52:22,360 --> 01:52:23,500 to the various parts of the agenda, 405 01:52:23,500 --> 01:52:25,630 look for mover and seconder to that. 406 01:52:25,630 --> 01:52:28,120 Councilor Cuddy and Councillor Troso. 407 01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:31,270 Any discussion on referral of those matters 408 01:52:31,270 --> 01:52:32,620 to the various parts of the agenda? 409 01:52:32,620 --> 01:52:49,430 Seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 410 01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:51,390 - Oh yes. 411 01:52:51,390 --> 01:52:52,540 - Noted, thank you for closing the vote. 412 01:52:52,540 --> 01:52:55,370 Motion carries 14-0. 413 01:52:55,370 --> 01:52:58,890 - Okay, there are no motions to which notice was 414 01:52:58,890 --> 01:52:59,260 given. 415 01:52:59,260 --> 01:53:01,670 So we're on to section eight reports. 416 01:53:01,670 --> 01:53:03,890 A section 8.1, it's the ninth report 417 01:53:03,890 --> 01:53:05,640 of the Community and Protective Services 418 01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:06,220 Committee. 419 01:53:06,220 --> 01:53:11,310 I will turn it over to the chair to present. 420 01:53:11,310 --> 01:53:12,140 - Thank you. 421 01:53:12,140 --> 01:53:13,610 I will look to present the ninth report 422 01:53:13,610 --> 01:53:15,750 of Community and Protective Services Committee. 423 01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:19,070 I've been asked to pull items two, three, five, 424 01:53:19,070 --> 01:53:19,630 seven, 425 01:53:19,630 --> 01:53:23,090 and 11, just looking to see if there's any other 426 01:53:23,090 --> 01:53:26,250 items. 427 01:53:26,250 --> 01:53:28,640 Seeing none, I will put the remaining items on 428 01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:31,260 the floor. 429 01:53:31,260 --> 01:53:34,960 - Okay, so the chair's moving, moving in motion 430 01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:40,550 for one, four, six, eight through 10, 12, and 13. 431 01:53:40,550 --> 01:53:41,440 That's on the floor. 432 01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:45,580 I'll look for any discussion on those items. 433 01:53:45,580 --> 01:53:49,220 Go ahead, Councillor Trocev. 434 01:53:49,220 --> 01:53:53,880 - Thank you, I just want to make a comment 435 01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:57,970 about item number four of this is not a 436 01:53:57,970 --> 01:53:59,150 controversial item, 437 01:53:59,150 --> 01:54:04,690 wasn't even pulled for me and people in my ward 438 01:54:04,690 --> 01:54:06,110 in the near campus neighborhood. 439 01:54:06,110 --> 01:54:08,270 And I know people in other wards, 440 01:54:08,270 --> 01:54:11,570 this is a very significant item. 441 01:54:11,570 --> 01:54:13,520 And this, and I just wanna mark this 442 01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:15,950 and not let this go without saying. 443 01:54:15,950 --> 01:54:19,700 This has been the source of a lot of tension 444 01:54:19,700 --> 01:54:23,380 and a lot of concern and a lot of dissatisfaction 445 01:54:23,380 --> 01:54:26,010 in the community in terms of how these things 446 01:54:26,010 --> 01:54:29,510 have historically been responded to. 447 01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:31,660 And I want to say that Councillor Primple 448 01:54:31,660 --> 01:54:34,410 and I have been working on this now 449 01:54:34,410 --> 01:54:38,810 with Civic Administration for a good part of this 450 01:54:38,810 --> 01:54:39,130 term. 451 01:54:39,130 --> 01:54:41,380 And I'm just so pleased to see this 452 01:54:41,380 --> 01:54:44,120 come to final council vote. 453 01:54:44,120 --> 01:54:49,170 And I have to say it has just been 454 01:54:49,170 --> 01:54:54,290 a total refreshing pleasure to work with your 455 01:54:54,290 --> 01:54:55,400 staff 456 01:54:55,400 --> 01:54:57,650 and in particular the Director of Municipal 457 01:54:57,650 --> 01:54:58,620 Compliance. 458 01:54:58,620 --> 01:55:01,140 because I think what we're doing here is we're 459 01:55:01,140 --> 01:55:01,530 entering 460 01:55:01,530 --> 01:55:06,590 into a sea change in terms of how we talk to 461 01:55:06,590 --> 01:55:06,690 members 462 01:55:06,610 --> 01:55:09,580 of the public about the complaints 463 01:55:09,580 --> 01:55:11,530 and the concerns that they've filed. 464 01:55:11,530 --> 01:55:14,570 So I just think this is such a positive step 465 01:55:14,570 --> 01:55:17,320 in the right direction and again, 466 01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:19,040 to the Deputy City Manager. 467 01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:22,010 I wanna thank you so much for the work 468 01:55:22,010 --> 01:55:25,060 that your staff has done with us on this. 469 01:55:25,060 --> 01:55:28,600 Thank you. 470 01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:30,150 - Other speakers to the items before us, 471 01:55:30,150 --> 01:55:34,090 Councillor McAllister and then Perbal. 472 01:55:34,090 --> 01:55:35,800 - Thank you, through your worship. 473 01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:37,990 I just wanted to speak quickly on item six. 474 01:55:37,990 --> 01:55:39,730 Again, previous counselor, 475 01:55:39,730 --> 01:55:42,310 I just want to express my thanks to Mr. Rather's, 476 01:55:42,310 --> 01:55:45,930 your team and Ms. Pfeffer really appreciate 477 01:55:45,930 --> 01:55:47,610 the turnaround time on this. 478 01:55:47,610 --> 01:55:51,450 I know this was something that I asked for 479 01:55:51,450 --> 01:55:54,130 a little while ago, but I made some changes 480 01:55:54,130 --> 01:55:56,080 based on the feedback I was receiving from the 481 01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:56,700 community. 482 01:55:56,700 --> 01:55:59,570 And it is very much greatly appreciated. 483 01:55:59,570 --> 01:56:01,450 RAT says not something anyone necessarily wants 484 01:56:01,450 --> 01:56:02,150 to talk about, 485 01:56:02,150 --> 01:56:05,210 it is an issue that's impacting people's lives, 486 01:56:05,210 --> 01:56:07,630 their health, and many properties are 487 01:56:07,630 --> 01:56:08,320 experiencing 488 01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:10,720 the adverse effects of this. So I want to say 489 01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:13,990 thank you. I hate to say, but this might generate 490 01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:16,190 some more work for your team, but it's very much 491 01:56:16,190 --> 01:56:18,610 appreciated. I hear this a lot from my 492 01:56:18,610 --> 01:56:21,230 constituents in terms of trying to see a further 493 01:56:21,230 --> 01:56:23,960 enforcement action on this. And I know there's a 494 01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:26,530 few properties that we'll probably get looked at. 495 01:56:26,530 --> 01:56:30,340 So again, very thankful for this. And I just, 496 01:56:30,340 --> 01:56:32,460 again wanted to say that this is greatly 497 01:56:32,460 --> 01:56:33,730 appreciated by not only my word but I 498 01:56:33,730 --> 01:56:36,050 think all words will benefit from this the long 499 01:56:36,050 --> 01:56:37,640 run because I think having a 500 01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:41,470 comprehensive rat strategy will serve the city in 501 01:56:41,470 --> 01:56:43,100 the long run so thank you once 502 01:56:43,100 --> 01:56:48,170 again. That's our privilege. Thank you I guess I 503 01:56:48,170 --> 01:56:49,330 'm going to continue to thank you 504 01:56:49,330 --> 01:56:51,080 around but I'm going to be a really brief and I 505 01:56:51,080 --> 01:56:52,070 want to say thanks again to 506 01:56:52,070 --> 01:56:55,330 Council Trust on the staff 0.4 if I if I look at 507 01:56:55,330 --> 01:56:56,610 when I started three and a half 508 01:56:56,610 --> 01:56:59,080 years ago if I look at the emails and focus I'll 509 01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:00,830 be receiving it this is the 510 01:57:00,830 --> 01:57:03,580 the report that stopped it, that actually answers 511 01:57:03,580 --> 01:57:05,210 most of my emails and calls. 512 01:57:05,210 --> 01:57:09,720 So thank you very much and to the entire team. 513 01:57:09,720 --> 01:57:12,070 Any of the speakers to these items? 514 01:57:12,070 --> 01:57:15,230 Go ahead, Councillor ramen. 515 01:57:15,230 --> 01:57:16,830 - Thank you and through you. 516 01:57:16,830 --> 01:57:20,220 And I appreciate the expression of sentiment. 517 01:57:20,220 --> 01:57:21,210 I agree with it. 518 01:57:21,210 --> 01:57:25,920 On item four, specifically on part C, 519 01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:28,270 we discussed the municipal compliance city map 520 01:57:28,270 --> 01:57:30,160 and development of the business portal 521 01:57:30,160 --> 01:57:30,900 enhancements 522 01:57:30,900 --> 01:57:33,090 that'll go to the multi-year budget. 523 01:57:33,970 --> 01:57:36,520 just wanted through you to maybe ask staff, 524 01:57:36,520 --> 01:57:40,910 one information will be available to counselors 525 01:57:40,910 --> 01:57:48,670 to be able to access this information in interim. 526 01:57:48,670 --> 01:57:51,010 - Mr. Mathers, go ahead. 527 01:57:51,010 --> 01:57:53,360 - Through the chair, so we're always happy 528 01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:55,470 to help any of the counselors and the counselor 529 01:57:55,470 --> 01:57:55,950 offices, 530 01:57:55,950 --> 01:57:58,460 well, to be able to access information. 531 01:57:58,460 --> 01:58:00,250 Their information generally is available, 532 01:58:00,250 --> 01:58:01,570 it's just maybe difficult to find 533 01:58:01,570 --> 01:58:03,320 'cause you have to go to two or three different 534 01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:03,560 sources, 535 01:58:03,560 --> 01:58:05,950 so we're always happy to be able to provide that 536 01:58:05,950 --> 01:58:06,510 help to you 537 01:58:06,510 --> 01:58:10,430 and any further assistance FAQs or anything 538 01:58:10,430 --> 01:58:12,000 we could provide you or your constituents 539 01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:17,270 would be happy to provide that, so thank you. 540 01:58:17,270 --> 01:58:18,110 - Thank you and through you. 541 01:58:18,110 --> 01:58:20,710 So I appreciate the steps that we're taking 542 01:58:20,710 --> 01:58:21,630 with the matter. 543 01:58:21,630 --> 01:58:23,700 One of the challenges still remains though 544 01:58:23,700 --> 01:58:26,130 is the service London portal. 545 01:58:26,130 --> 01:58:28,770 So not being able to get this information 546 01:58:28,770 --> 01:58:30,740 through the portal, but having to go through a 547 01:58:30,740 --> 01:58:31,360 counselor 548 01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:34,600 to get access to the information. 549 01:58:34,600 --> 01:58:37,400 It's still an onus that the public has to go 550 01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:38,030 through. 551 01:58:38,030 --> 01:58:41,580 And so I do look for the time that we are able to 552 01:58:41,580 --> 01:58:41,980 do this 553 01:58:41,980 --> 01:58:44,330 and the public are able to do this like they can 554 01:58:44,330 --> 01:58:44,970 in Brampton, 555 01:58:44,970 --> 01:58:47,770 like they can in other municipalities like Ottawa 556 01:58:47,770 --> 01:58:47,870 , 557 01:58:47,770 --> 01:58:50,240 where this information is public facing 558 01:58:50,240 --> 01:58:52,400 so that people can access it themselves 559 01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:54,430 instead of having to go through a municipal 560 01:58:54,430 --> 01:58:54,870 councilor 561 01:58:54,870 --> 01:58:57,420 or council staff to get answers 562 01:58:57,420 --> 01:59:00,260 that in my opinion should be publicly available. 563 01:59:00,260 --> 01:59:02,720 I'll await that time and potentially bring it 564 01:59:02,720 --> 01:59:03,140 forward 565 01:59:03,140 --> 01:59:06,060 in the future, thank you. 566 01:59:06,060 --> 01:59:07,760 - Any other speakers on the various matters 567 01:59:07,760 --> 01:59:09,630 before us? 568 01:59:09,630 --> 01:59:29,030 - Okay, seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 569 01:59:29,030 --> 01:59:36,950 - Opposed in the vote, motion carries 14-0. 570 01:59:36,950 --> 01:59:38,670 - Thank you, I will look to put item two on the 571 01:59:38,670 --> 01:59:40,530 floor. 572 01:59:40,530 --> 01:59:41,720 - Okay, item two is on the floor, 573 01:59:41,720 --> 01:59:48,720 I'll look for any speakers to item two. 574 01:59:48,720 --> 02:00:01,410 - Seeing none, we can open item two. 575 02:00:01,410 --> 02:00:05,980 - Opposed in the vote, motion carries 13-1. 576 02:00:05,980 --> 02:00:08,230 - Thank you, I will look to move item three, 2.2, 577 02:00:08,230 --> 02:00:10,240 which is the city of London Tree Nursery Feas 578 02:00:10,240 --> 02:00:10,980 ibility. 579 02:00:10,980 --> 02:00:14,520 I'll put that on the floor. 580 02:00:14,520 --> 02:00:15,430 - Okay, that item's on the floor, 581 02:00:15,430 --> 02:00:20,630 I'll look to any speakers, 582 02:00:20,630 --> 02:00:30,390 seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 583 02:00:30,390 --> 02:00:36,070 - Opposed in the vote, motion carries 13-1. 584 02:00:36,070 --> 02:00:37,810 - Thank you, I'll look to put item five on the 585 02:00:37,810 --> 02:00:37,950 floor, 586 02:00:37,950 --> 02:00:40,560 2.4, the request to submit an application for new 587 02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:41,940 affordable housing, funding through 588 02:00:41,940 --> 02:00:44,000 Filled Home, Filled Canada Homes. 589 02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:46,710 Okay. 590 02:00:46,710 --> 02:00:47,660 That's on the floor. 591 02:00:47,660 --> 02:00:52,860 I'll look to any speakers. 592 02:00:52,860 --> 02:01:02,060 Seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 593 02:01:02,060 --> 02:01:03,010 Closing the vote. 594 02:01:03,010 --> 02:01:05,810 Motion carries, 13-1. 595 02:01:05,810 --> 02:01:07,910 Right, Councillor. 596 02:01:07,910 --> 02:01:08,900 Thank you. 597 02:01:08,900 --> 02:01:09,880 Next is item 7-2.6. 598 02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:12,660 1-22 baseline, transition plan, update quarter 599 02:01:12,660 --> 02:01:13,070 two. 600 02:01:13,070 --> 02:01:15,710 Okay. 601 02:01:15,710 --> 02:01:16,660 That's on the floor. 602 02:01:16,660 --> 02:01:21,530 I'll look to any speakers. 603 02:01:21,530 --> 02:01:29,790 Seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 604 02:01:29,790 --> 02:01:30,740 Closing the vote. 605 02:01:30,740 --> 02:01:33,660 Motion carries, 13-1. 606 02:01:33,660 --> 02:01:35,180 Go ahead. 607 02:01:35,180 --> 02:01:36,170 Thank you. 608 02:01:36,170 --> 02:01:37,160 I'll look to put 11-2.7. 609 02:01:37,160 --> 02:01:40,720 and the award of the NRFP 2025-248, 610 02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:42,520 municipal lands for affordable housing 611 02:01:42,520 --> 02:01:45,500 at 1-9-5-8 Duluth Crescent Block 6 612 02:01:45,500 --> 02:01:49,000 related to bill number 239, the floor. 613 02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:50,990 - Okay, I'll go to Deputy Mayor Lewis. 614 02:01:50,990 --> 02:01:51,760 How's the speaker on that? 615 02:01:51,760 --> 02:01:54,750 He has his hand up. 616 02:01:54,750 --> 02:01:55,590 - Thank you, Your Worship. 617 02:01:55,590 --> 02:01:58,670 And through you, I spoke to this at committee. 618 02:01:58,670 --> 02:02:00,830 I'm just going to speak to it again, 619 02:02:00,830 --> 02:02:04,080 'cause I know not everybody was at committee. 620 02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:06,950 I've been very supportive of the Duluth Crescent 621 02:02:06,950 --> 02:02:12,400 redevelopment to date and I actually support the 622 02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:14,900 initial dedication that was 623 02:02:14,900 --> 02:02:17,920 submitted to this block but what we have here is 624 02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:19,520 staff asking to be able to go 625 02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:21,540 back and increase the density on this block 626 02:02:21,540 --> 02:02:25,530 further and I'm asking counsel to 627 02:02:25,530 --> 02:02:28,830 respectfully not direct staff to do that but to 628 02:02:28,830 --> 02:02:31,430 have staff move forward with the 629 02:02:31,430 --> 02:02:35,830 density that they had already they're allowed the 630 02:02:35,830 --> 02:02:37,830 height but not the density 631 02:02:37,830 --> 02:02:40,760 And the reason I'm asking you this is we're 632 02:02:40,760 --> 02:02:44,450 redeveloping this Duluth crescent block that we 633 02:02:44,450 --> 02:02:47,640 purchased as a surplus school property for the 634 02:02:47,640 --> 02:02:49,340 purpose of developing affordable housing. 635 02:02:49,340 --> 02:02:52,810 We've already increased the height on block five 636 02:02:52,810 --> 02:02:55,980 to advance a project forward there. 637 02:02:55,980 --> 02:03:00,470 We also, though, continuously talk about the need 638 02:03:00,470 --> 02:03:04,390 to be mindful of how much concentration we have 639 02:03:04,390 --> 02:03:07,760 when it comes to social services and affordable 640 02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:09,710 and RGI housing in a single area. 641 02:03:09,710 --> 02:03:13,760 single area. Just south of this former school 642 02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:17,260 block divided by Trafalgar, but just south 643 02:03:17,260 --> 02:03:21,280 of this along Marconi Boulevard, we have 64 644 02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:25,380 affordable housing units at Genesis Co-op. 645 02:03:25,380 --> 02:03:30,970 We have 138 at the Telesman Woods Co-op. LMCH has 646 02:03:30,970 --> 02:03:34,880 51 townhouses, plus an entire block 647 02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:39,370 of duplexes running from Marconi to Noel, that 648 02:03:39,370 --> 02:03:45,500 are RGI units as well. So we have in 649 02:03:45,500 --> 02:03:49,150 this immediate vicinity already over 200 units 650 02:03:49,150 --> 02:03:51,820 of affordable and RGI housing. 651 02:03:51,820 --> 02:03:55,860 We're adding more on the Duluth School Walk. 652 02:03:55,860 --> 02:04:01,310 This is not something that was contemplated 653 02:04:01,310 --> 02:04:05,670 when this plan of subdivision was presented 654 02:04:05,670 --> 02:04:07,580 to the community. 655 02:04:07,580 --> 02:04:11,150 It was not something that was contemplated 656 02:04:11,150 --> 02:04:14,180 when Council approved the draft zoning through P 657 02:04:14,180 --> 02:04:14,520 EC. 658 02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:17,530 And I'm just asking that staff stick to the 659 02:04:17,530 --> 02:04:18,220 density 660 02:04:18,220 --> 02:04:20,280 and heights that were granted through the 661 02:04:20,280 --> 02:04:22,750 planning committee process already. 662 02:04:22,750 --> 02:04:25,770 We want affordable housing in our city, but we do 663 02:04:25,770 --> 02:04:27,440 have to be mindful of how much we are 664 02:04:27,440 --> 02:04:29,950 putting in any given location. 665 02:04:29,950 --> 02:04:33,040 And this is just, you know, we've already had one 666 02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:34,920 block increased. 667 02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:36,640 Is it the next block going to be an increase as 668 02:04:36,640 --> 02:04:38,440 well and the next block and the next block? 669 02:04:38,440 --> 02:04:41,230 There are seven blocks for development on this 670 02:04:41,230 --> 02:04:41,950 site. 671 02:04:41,950 --> 02:04:44,500 If we increase the density on every one of them, 672 02:04:44,500 --> 02:04:46,580 we are going to be creating a bad scenario 673 02:04:46,580 --> 02:04:47,560 for this neighborhood. 674 02:04:47,560 --> 02:04:49,970 I'm asking fells to respect the density 675 02:04:49,970 --> 02:04:59,450 that was originally approved through the zoning. 676 02:04:59,450 --> 02:05:00,880 - Okay, so that's debate. 677 02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:08,900 I look for other speakers on this. 678 02:05:08,900 --> 02:05:10,630 Seeing none, then we're gonna open that for 679 02:05:10,630 --> 02:05:27,750 voting. 680 02:05:27,750 --> 02:05:31,430 - You worship my apologies. 681 02:05:31,430 --> 02:05:34,110 I should have indicated to you that my objection 682 02:05:34,110 --> 02:05:38,670 was to clause C, not clause A and B. 683 02:05:38,670 --> 02:05:39,780 I know we've opened the voting. 684 02:05:39,780 --> 02:05:42,150 I'm hoping we can cancel it and just separate 685 02:05:42,150 --> 02:05:42,790 those. 686 02:05:42,790 --> 02:05:43,600 - That's okay. 687 02:05:43,600 --> 02:05:45,040 We hadn't closed the voting, 688 02:05:45,040 --> 02:05:47,990 so it's pretty easy to separate those still. 689 02:05:47,990 --> 02:05:48,790 - Thank you. 690 02:05:48,790 --> 02:05:49,920 My apologies to colleagues. 691 02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:51,750 I should have been clear about that. 692 02:05:51,750 --> 02:05:54,030 - Okay, so you'd like C dealt with separately, 693 02:05:54,030 --> 02:05:56,070 but we can deal with everything else together? 694 02:05:56,070 --> 02:05:57,970 - Yes, C is the only one that deals with the 695 02:05:57,970 --> 02:06:05,850 density. 696 02:06:05,850 --> 02:06:07,830 - Okay, we're gonna go with C first. 697 02:06:07,830 --> 02:06:09,180 So the density piece first. 698 02:06:09,180 --> 02:06:21,440 So we'll open that for voting. 699 02:06:21,440 --> 02:06:24,560 - Closing the vote on part C, motion carries 700 02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:27,650 eight to six. 701 02:06:27,650 --> 02:06:30,390 - Okay, and on the remainder, we'll open that for 702 02:06:30,390 --> 02:07:01,790 voting. 703 02:07:01,790 --> 02:07:08,250 - Closing the vote, motion carries 13 to one. 704 02:07:08,250 --> 02:07:10,110 - I think that concludes that report, right? 705 02:07:10,110 --> 02:07:11,890 But you've got another one so you can keep going, 706 02:07:11,890 --> 02:07:13,060 Councillor. 707 02:07:13,060 --> 02:07:14,720 - Thank you, I'll move on to 8.2, 708 02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:17,090 10th special report of the Community Protective 709 02:07:17,090 --> 02:07:18,910 Services Committee. We had two items that we 710 02:07:18,910 --> 02:07:19,230 dealt 711 02:07:19,230 --> 02:07:24,090 with. I'm putting all items on the floor. Okay, 712 02:07:24,090 --> 02:07:26,520 so that's item 8.2, all items on the floor. I 713 02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:30,250 looked to any speakers to that. Go ahead, Coun 714 02:07:30,250 --> 02:07:34,040 cillor Hopkins. Yeah, thank you, Your Worship, and 715 02:07:34,040 --> 02:07:34,140 I 716 02:07:34,120 --> 02:07:37,220 love good news stories. This is a donation 717 02:07:37,220 --> 02:07:40,700 agreement for the Byron Springback Ventrance 718 02:07:40,700 --> 02:07:44,620 Monument. I want to thank Deputy Mayor Lewis. I 719 02:07:44,620 --> 02:07:47,820 know who's done a lot of work with the consortium 720 02:07:47,820 --> 02:07:47,920 . 721 02:07:48,370 --> 02:07:52,090 I'm looking forward to the unveiling on October 722 02:07:52,090 --> 02:07:52,770 the 3rd. 723 02:07:52,770 --> 02:07:56,800 So thank you very much. 724 02:07:56,800 --> 02:07:59,880 - Any of the speakers? 725 02:07:59,880 --> 02:08:19,510 Yep, seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 726 02:08:19,510 --> 02:08:22,860 - Okay, Councillor Trussell, absent, close the 727 02:08:22,860 --> 02:08:25,430 vote. 728 02:08:25,430 --> 02:08:33,060 Motion carries 14-0. 729 02:08:33,060 --> 02:08:34,990 - Councillor, go ahead. 730 02:08:34,990 --> 02:08:36,730 - Thank you, that concludes the 10th report, 731 02:08:36,730 --> 02:08:38,940 but I'll move on to 8.3, the 8th report 732 02:08:38,940 --> 02:08:42,150 of the Strategic Priorities and Policy Committee. 733 02:08:42,150 --> 02:08:44,470 I've been asked to pull items six and seven, 734 02:08:44,470 --> 02:08:46,040 so I'll look to craft, I'll just see 735 02:08:46,040 --> 02:08:48,690 if there's any other items. 736 02:08:48,690 --> 02:08:49,700 - Seeing none. 737 02:08:49,700 --> 02:08:50,700 - Well, just let me just check. 738 02:08:50,700 --> 02:08:52,420 Does anybody want anything else dealt with 739 02:08:52,420 --> 02:08:52,620 separately 740 02:08:52,620 --> 02:08:55,400 from that report? 741 02:08:55,400 --> 02:08:56,700 Okay, you can go ahead and make one. 742 02:08:56,700 --> 02:08:57,520 - Thank you. 743 02:08:57,520 --> 02:08:59,760 I would like to put one through five and eight 744 02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:02,680 on the floor. 745 02:09:02,680 --> 02:09:04,030 - Okay, all of those items are on the floor. 746 02:09:04,030 --> 02:09:08,030 I'll look to any speakers for those items. 747 02:09:08,030 --> 02:09:12,090 Ed, Councilor Trossal. 748 02:09:12,090 --> 02:09:14,130 - Thank you very much to the mayor. 749 02:09:14,130 --> 02:09:22,630 I made some very long comments about four and 750 02:09:22,630 --> 02:09:23,920 five. 751 02:09:23,920 --> 02:09:26,250 No, four, and I'm not going to repeat them here. 752 02:09:26,250 --> 02:09:28,400 So I'm just not going to do that. 753 02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:30,410 So Vorni made them at the committee 754 02:09:30,410 --> 02:09:32,490 and I'm not going to repeat them here. 755 02:09:32,490 --> 02:09:33,470 So that's that. 756 02:09:33,470 --> 02:09:34,960 - Thank you. 757 02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:37,770 - Okay, any other speakers? 758 02:09:37,770 --> 02:09:53,030 We'll open those items for voting. 759 02:09:53,030 --> 02:09:54,620 - Those yes? 760 02:09:54,620 --> 02:09:55,900 - No to thank you, closing vote. 761 02:09:55,900 --> 02:10:00,040 Motion carries 14-0. 762 02:10:00,040 --> 02:10:00,950 - Go ahead, Councilor Ramen. 763 02:10:00,950 --> 02:10:02,740 - Thank you, I'll put item six on the floor, 764 02:10:02,740 --> 02:10:05,160 the Center of Opportunity, London Economic 765 02:10:05,160 --> 02:10:06,380 Development 766 02:10:06,380 --> 02:10:11,190 Strategy, 2026-2030, and Implementation Plan. 767 02:10:11,190 --> 02:10:12,350 - Okay, that item's on the floor. 768 02:10:12,350 --> 02:10:19,990 I'll look to speakers on that item. 769 02:10:19,990 --> 02:10:21,660 Okay, seeing none, we're gonna open that for 770 02:10:21,660 --> 02:10:33,300 voting. 771 02:10:33,300 --> 02:10:37,510 - Closing the vote, motion carries 13-1. 772 02:10:37,510 --> 02:10:38,740 - It's a Ramen. 773 02:10:38,740 --> 02:10:40,700 - Thank you, I'll put item seven, 4.2, 774 02:10:40,700 --> 02:10:43,340 downtown reimagined City of London downtown plan 775 02:10:43,340 --> 02:10:44,090 on the floor. 776 02:10:44,090 --> 02:10:49,170 Okay, that's on the floor. I'll look to speakers 777 02:10:49,170 --> 02:10:55,390 to that. Okay, Councilor Preble, go ahead. 778 02:10:55,390 --> 02:10:58,540 I'll be very brief. As I stated during our 779 02:10:58,540 --> 02:11:00,880 committee meetings, if I look at both plans 780 02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:02,920 that we do previous one and this one, I think 781 02:11:02,920 --> 02:11:05,330 that's really compared to what we had before in 782 02:11:05,330 --> 02:11:05,890 London. 783 02:11:05,890 --> 02:11:08,620 Those are both really great plans with great 784 02:11:08,620 --> 02:11:11,140 implementation. We know about the other issues, 785 02:11:11,140 --> 02:11:13,460 the big picture, but again, there's not part of 786 02:11:13,460 --> 02:11:15,860 it. This is the only concern and I'm going to 787 02:11:15,860 --> 02:11:18,440 going to repeat what I said before is really 788 02:11:18,440 --> 02:11:21,740 the accountability to deliver implementation plan 789 02:11:21,740 --> 02:11:21,840 . 790 02:11:21,740 --> 02:11:24,160 If you get that right, then we have some great 791 02:11:24,160 --> 02:11:24,600 plans, 792 02:11:24,600 --> 02:11:26,340 not just some great plans that will be sitting on 793 02:11:26,340 --> 02:11:26,900 the desk, 794 02:11:26,900 --> 02:11:28,760 but actually plans that will deliver the best 795 02:11:28,760 --> 02:11:29,200 possible 796 02:11:29,200 --> 02:11:31,600 results for half a million of Londoners. 797 02:11:31,600 --> 02:11:33,540 Thank you. 798 02:11:33,540 --> 02:11:36,600 - Thanks, Councilor Pervault, Councillor Ferrera. 799 02:11:36,600 --> 02:11:37,970 - Thank you, Mayor. 800 02:11:37,970 --> 02:11:40,250 I thought I would speak to this one just one more 801 02:11:40,250 --> 02:11:40,840 time. 802 02:11:40,840 --> 02:11:44,410 I appreciate the vote and the support at SPPC 803 02:11:44,410 --> 02:11:45,610 for this plan. 804 02:11:45,610 --> 02:11:46,600 We're looking for a vision. 805 02:11:46,600 --> 02:11:48,660 looking for a way into the future and I know the 806 02:11:48,660 --> 02:11:51,120 plan did speak to some big items and fifty-eight 807 02:11:51,120 --> 02:11:52,970 actions but there's some things we didn't speak 808 02:11:52,970 --> 02:11:55,300 about so I thought maybe I should reveal them or 809 02:11:55,300 --> 02:11:57,960 speak to them now. The first thing that I thought 810 02:11:57,960 --> 02:12:00,620 was very interesting because I hear a lot from 811 02:12:00,620 --> 02:12:03,110 people living in the core and especially because 812 02:12:03,110 --> 02:12:05,520 we're moving towards having more individuals live 813 02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:08,030 in the core, what type of amenities, what things 814 02:12:08,030 --> 02:12:10,460 are available, what can people do, where can they 815 02:12:10,460 --> 02:12:12,220 shop, where can they get their groceries. So I 816 02:12:12,220 --> 02:12:14,050 thought I'd start with that one with the grocery 817 02:12:14,050 --> 02:12:16,370 because I know this is something that comes up 818 02:12:16,370 --> 02:12:17,800 from time to time and I just 819 02:12:17,800 --> 02:12:20,780 wanted to go to staff because the plan does call 820 02:12:20,780 --> 02:12:22,260 for services and amenities 821 02:12:22,260 --> 02:12:25,030 gap assessment so I just wanted to go to staff 822 02:12:25,030 --> 02:12:27,120 and see if you could just speak 823 02:12:27,120 --> 02:12:29,280 to that a little bit what would that services and 824 02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:30,440 amenities gap assessment 825 02:12:30,440 --> 02:12:32,380 reveal would it look into things like a grocery 826 02:12:32,380 --> 02:12:33,620 store would it look into things 827 02:12:33,620 --> 02:12:36,480 such as other amenities for people to be able to 828 02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:38,070 to use or shop or go to 829 02:12:38,070 --> 02:12:40,380 within the core and when would we potentially be 830 02:12:40,380 --> 02:12:41,570 expecting something like 831 02:12:41,570 --> 02:12:47,340 like that coming to council. 832 02:12:47,340 --> 02:12:48,730 - Mr. Mathers. 833 02:12:48,730 --> 02:12:50,480 - Through the chair. 834 02:12:50,480 --> 02:12:53,720 So yeah, that's exactly what, as you phrased it, 835 02:12:53,720 --> 02:12:55,480 but what we'd be looking at as part of that 836 02:12:55,480 --> 02:12:55,790 assessment. 837 02:12:55,790 --> 02:12:58,190 So my intention wouldn't necessarily be 838 02:12:58,190 --> 02:12:59,390 to go to a consultant for this. 839 02:12:59,390 --> 02:13:01,720 I think this is something that we're very well 840 02:13:01,720 --> 02:13:01,900 set up 841 02:13:01,900 --> 02:13:03,140 of working with the community, 842 02:13:03,140 --> 02:13:05,020 to be able to develop that information. 843 02:13:05,020 --> 02:13:07,300 It would include like speaking to residents, 844 02:13:07,300 --> 02:13:10,960 understanding from both of the current business 845 02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:11,450 community 846 02:13:11,450 --> 02:13:13,890 and the folks that are actually living in London, 847 02:13:13,890 --> 02:13:15,880 in the downtown, what they're looking for 848 02:13:15,880 --> 02:13:18,600 what they might may need and building off any 849 02:13:18,600 --> 02:13:20,510 other research we can do as well. 850 02:13:20,510 --> 02:13:22,960 So I think it is very well known that there are 851 02:13:22,960 --> 02:13:25,670 needs downtown, especially for a grocery 852 02:13:25,670 --> 02:13:27,790 store space and there are possibly the other 853 02:13:27,790 --> 02:13:28,620 needs as well. 854 02:13:28,620 --> 02:13:30,380 So that would be something we'd be bringing 855 02:13:30,380 --> 02:13:30,900 forward. 856 02:13:30,900 --> 02:13:33,330 It would likely be in Q1 or Q2 of next year 857 02:13:33,330 --> 02:13:35,850 because we want to kick off some of the other 858 02:13:35,850 --> 02:13:36,850 elements. 859 02:13:36,850 --> 02:13:38,700 There's a report that will be coming forward in 860 02:13:38,700 --> 02:13:40,400 the Q4 that we're just going to provide 861 02:13:40,400 --> 02:13:42,730 a bit more of the implementation steps that you 862 02:13:42,730 --> 02:13:44,160 're going to be able to see. 863 02:13:44,160 --> 02:13:47,590 and I believe that'll be a very timely report 864 02:13:47,590 --> 02:13:48,630 and be something that's important 865 02:13:48,630 --> 02:13:49,650 to be able to be understood, 866 02:13:49,650 --> 02:13:53,700 to be able to move forward in the core. 867 02:13:53,700 --> 02:13:54,770 - Go ahead, Councillor Ferra. 868 02:13:54,770 --> 02:13:56,270 - Okay, thank you for that. 869 02:13:56,270 --> 02:13:58,440 And I do also hear, and I agree, 870 02:13:58,440 --> 02:14:02,020 that I guess the downtown success also hinges 871 02:14:02,020 --> 02:14:04,810 on the day-to-day accessibility, 872 02:14:04,810 --> 02:14:07,130 the visibility of it, the cleanliness of it, 873 02:14:07,130 --> 02:14:07,970 and things like that. 874 02:14:07,970 --> 02:14:09,480 So I understand that we do have already, 875 02:14:09,480 --> 02:14:11,240 we have already propped up the downtown's 876 02:14:11,240 --> 02:14:11,870 operations team. 877 02:14:11,870 --> 02:14:13,910 We are already bringing in a CIR. 878 02:14:13,910 --> 02:14:16,060 We are already consulting with LPS. 879 02:14:16,060 --> 02:14:18,500 we are already consulting with municipal 880 02:14:18,500 --> 02:14:19,130 compliance 881 02:14:19,130 --> 02:14:21,050 to look at storefronts and everything like that. 882 02:14:21,050 --> 02:14:24,320 And I wanted to know if we could get any update 883 02:14:24,320 --> 02:14:27,350 on when we would start seeing reports coming back 884 02:14:27,350 --> 02:14:30,100 to council for actual, once we start seeing 885 02:14:30,100 --> 02:14:31,730 the implementation get rolled out, 886 02:14:31,730 --> 02:14:34,840 what will we start to see coming back with 887 02:14:34,840 --> 02:14:36,190 respect 888 02:14:36,190 --> 02:14:38,460 to as those actions or the success of those 889 02:14:38,460 --> 02:14:38,730 actions 890 02:14:38,730 --> 02:14:45,830 start taking place? 891 02:14:45,830 --> 02:14:46,590 - Through your worship. 892 02:14:46,590 --> 02:14:49,860 So, well, absolutely, those are very important 893 02:14:49,860 --> 02:14:50,220 details 894 02:14:50,220 --> 02:14:52,410 and we'll have to be able to provide you. 895 02:14:52,410 --> 02:14:54,610 Through that implementation, 896 02:14:54,610 --> 02:14:57,160 step in Q4, we'll be able to lay that out 897 02:14:57,160 --> 02:14:59,480 and if council has any other ideas or other 898 02:14:59,480 --> 02:15:01,170 thoughts 899 02:15:01,170 --> 02:15:02,820 of what they would like to see as reporting. 900 02:15:02,820 --> 02:15:05,500 Currently, the downtown plan 901 02:15:05,500 --> 02:15:07,130 speaks to having an annual report, 902 02:15:07,130 --> 02:15:08,290 but you're gonna have reports 903 02:15:08,290 --> 02:15:10,320 from probably on a quarterly basis 904 02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:12,430 with any kind of initiatives that are coming out 905 02:15:12,430 --> 02:15:12,950 of the work 906 02:15:12,950 --> 02:15:14,670 and it'll definitely be informed 907 02:15:14,670 --> 02:15:16,700 by the next council strategic plan 908 02:15:16,700 --> 02:15:18,690 and the multi-year budget process moving forward 909 02:15:18,690 --> 02:15:21,540 as well. 910 02:15:21,540 --> 02:15:22,490 - Okay, thank you for that. 911 02:15:22,490 --> 02:15:25,040 And also, I know that Vacancy is a big thing 912 02:15:25,040 --> 02:15:28,130 that we talk about downtown, 31.5%. 913 02:15:28,130 --> 02:15:29,280 I think Vacancy right now, 914 02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:32,530 which I would say has plateaued since 2023. 915 02:15:32,530 --> 02:15:34,830 And we really saw that reveal itself after the 916 02:15:34,830 --> 02:15:35,100 changes 917 02:15:35,100 --> 02:15:37,790 of the pandemic with the office workers moving 918 02:15:37,790 --> 02:15:38,150 outside 919 02:15:38,150 --> 02:15:40,480 of the core, but we have other Vacancy issues as 920 02:15:40,480 --> 02:15:40,780 well. 921 02:15:40,780 --> 02:15:43,970 And I do see that we have some successful 922 02:15:43,970 --> 02:15:44,930 programs 923 02:15:44,930 --> 02:15:46,570 that we use right now with incentive programs. 924 02:15:46,570 --> 02:15:48,600 We could be using some other tools as well. 925 02:15:48,600 --> 02:15:53,270 I wanted to know if some of the, I guess, 926 02:15:53,270 --> 02:15:56,480 re-envisioned or reorganized incentive programs, 927 02:15:56,480 --> 02:15:58,400 as they come back, will we see incentive programs 928 02:15:58,400 --> 02:16:01,410 that will kind of help with potentially heritage 929 02:16:01,410 --> 02:16:01,990 properties? 930 02:16:01,990 --> 02:16:04,360 Or would we see incentive programs that would 931 02:16:04,360 --> 02:16:04,620 help 932 02:16:04,620 --> 02:16:07,310 with some office spaces that we kind of have 933 02:16:07,310 --> 02:16:07,610 deemed 934 02:16:07,610 --> 02:16:09,290 as not the low hanging fruit? 935 02:16:09,290 --> 02:16:11,200 Would we be looking at those office spaces 936 02:16:11,200 --> 02:16:13,250 that may be just too big on the floor plate 937 02:16:13,250 --> 02:16:14,040 perspective? 938 02:16:14,040 --> 02:16:18,350 Whether it's from demolishing them 939 02:16:18,350 --> 02:16:20,880 or finding another type of use that is not 940 02:16:20,880 --> 02:16:21,900 necessarily 941 02:16:21,900 --> 02:16:23,640 residential, would we be seeing any type of 942 02:16:23,640 --> 02:16:23,950 programs 943 02:16:23,950 --> 02:16:26,540 or look into that? 944 02:16:26,540 --> 02:16:28,670 Mr. Mathers. 945 02:16:28,670 --> 02:16:29,430 - Through you, worship. 946 02:16:29,430 --> 02:16:32,300 So there is a five year review 947 02:16:32,300 --> 02:16:34,220 of our community improvement programs 948 02:16:34,220 --> 02:16:36,180 that we will be undertaking in the next, 949 02:16:36,180 --> 02:16:38,250 we'll be just ramping that up next year. 950 02:16:38,250 --> 02:16:40,400 So there'll be an overall comprehensive review of 951 02:16:40,400 --> 02:16:40,800 that. 952 02:16:40,800 --> 02:16:43,160 I'm hoping that out of the downtown champions 953 02:16:43,160 --> 02:16:44,280 table as well, 954 02:16:44,280 --> 02:16:45,630 getting those really great ideas 955 02:16:45,630 --> 02:16:47,430 of what would be important from the core 956 02:16:47,430 --> 02:16:48,940 and making some recommendations back 957 02:16:48,940 --> 02:16:50,940 committee and council of the ones that are 958 02:16:50,940 --> 02:16:53,090 programs that might be most influential and 959 02:16:53,090 --> 02:16:55,420 most important at the time. So I think at this 960 02:16:55,420 --> 02:16:58,120 point all of those options are on the table but 961 02:16:58,120 --> 02:17:01,200 it'll take in having this implementation coming 962 02:17:01,200 --> 02:17:04,510 forward and also developing this team moving 963 02:17:04,510 --> 02:17:06,430 forward as well to be able to actually get 964 02:17:06,430 --> 02:17:08,740 something before council so they can make some 965 02:17:08,740 --> 02:17:12,820 decisions. Thank you for that and I like how you 966 02:17:12,820 --> 02:17:15,250 brought up the downtown champions table and I 967 02:17:15,250 --> 02:17:17,570 guess I'll take that as into segue into talking 968 02:17:17,570 --> 02:17:19,800 about the governance structure that we are 969 02:17:19,800 --> 02:17:20,200 seeking 970 02:17:20,200 --> 02:17:22,190 to approve here in the new service area for 971 02:17:22,190 --> 02:17:23,590 downtown, 972 02:17:23,590 --> 02:17:25,590 which I believe is vitally important, 973 02:17:25,590 --> 02:17:28,700 just because with such a big economic engine 974 02:17:28,700 --> 02:17:29,700 that we have in the city here 975 02:17:29,700 --> 02:17:30,940 and all the things that are going on, 976 02:17:30,940 --> 02:17:34,410 it would be much easier whether it's individuals 977 02:17:34,410 --> 02:17:36,190 who are trying to bring something forward to 978 02:17:36,190 --> 02:17:36,610 downtown, 979 02:17:36,610 --> 02:17:38,930 an initiative, some type of activation, or 980 02:17:38,930 --> 02:17:39,440 whatever, 981 02:17:39,440 --> 02:17:40,720 to be able to go to that one place 982 02:17:40,720 --> 02:17:42,550 and also to have that governance structure 983 02:17:42,550 --> 02:17:44,630 that's responsible for the implementation 984 02:17:44,630 --> 02:17:45,590 of the plan itself. 985 02:17:45,590 --> 02:17:47,500 'Cause we, like I think I said this at committee, 986 02:17:47,500 --> 02:17:49,940 but we've had other plans in the downtown in the 987 02:17:49,940 --> 02:17:50,280 past. 988 02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:52,600 Sometimes items were picked up, sometimes items 989 02:17:52,600 --> 02:17:53,070 were not. 990 02:17:53,070 --> 02:17:56,410 And we really kind of revealed that we need that 991 02:17:56,410 --> 02:17:56,910 authority 992 02:17:56,910 --> 02:17:58,780 that's responsible for the implementation 993 02:17:58,780 --> 02:18:00,540 of those actions coming out of the plan. 994 02:18:00,540 --> 02:18:01,980 So this is one of the biggest things 995 02:18:01,980 --> 02:18:04,540 that I'm most excited about 996 02:18:04,540 --> 02:18:06,130 because we're actually gonna have the ability 997 02:18:06,130 --> 02:18:08,320 to do these things that come into the plan. 998 02:18:08,320 --> 02:18:09,780 Whatever initiative it is, 999 02:18:09,780 --> 02:18:12,660 all the 58 actions I'd like to see them all plus 1000 02:18:12,660 --> 02:18:13,000 more. 1001 02:18:13,000 --> 02:18:14,670 But whatever initiative it is, 1002 02:18:14,670 --> 02:18:17,630 that downtown service area will be responsible 1003 02:18:17,630 --> 02:18:20,660 for bringing those items to council for approval 1004 02:18:20,660 --> 02:18:23,530 with budgets and also bringing back the KPIs 1005 02:18:23,530 --> 02:18:25,370 and the reporting of where the successes are, 1006 02:18:25,370 --> 02:18:27,600 whether it's vacancy, whether it's activations, 1007 02:18:27,600 --> 02:18:29,240 whether it's business incubation. 1008 02:18:29,240 --> 02:18:31,280 So these are the things that are really gonna 1009 02:18:31,280 --> 02:18:31,480 kind 1010 02:18:31,480 --> 02:18:32,430 of get this plan moving. 1011 02:18:32,430 --> 02:18:35,310 So this is why I'm fully supportive of this. 1012 02:18:35,310 --> 02:18:37,480 I'm glad of the discussion that I heard at 1013 02:18:37,480 --> 02:18:37,980 committee 1014 02:18:37,980 --> 02:18:40,340 and I'm hoping to get full support with this. 1015 02:18:40,340 --> 02:18:42,170 And this is about the vision of downtown. 1016 02:18:42,170 --> 02:18:44,650 This is about the identity, the face of the city. 1017 02:18:44,650 --> 02:18:45,490 I've said this before, 1018 02:18:45,490 --> 02:18:48,440 but if we were to look at downtown, 1019 02:18:48,440 --> 02:18:50,760 30 seconds, comparatively speaking, 1020 02:18:50,760 --> 02:18:53,070 to other big corporations, this is the flagship. 1021 02:18:53,070 --> 02:18:54,710 This is like the money maker. 1022 02:18:54,710 --> 02:18:56,510 This is where everybody looks 1023 02:18:56,510 --> 02:18:58,020 when they look at London from outside, 1024 02:18:58,020 --> 02:18:59,810 and this is also something that gives us 1025 02:18:59,810 --> 02:19:01,560 the sense of what it means to be a Londoner. 1026 02:19:01,560 --> 02:19:03,270 So this is something that we need, 1027 02:19:03,270 --> 02:19:04,540 and this is something that we'll really bring 1028 02:19:04,540 --> 02:19:05,380 Londoners together. 1029 02:19:05,380 --> 02:19:06,490 So I'm supportive of this, 1030 02:19:06,490 --> 02:19:08,470 I'm hoping that we get support today, 1031 02:19:08,470 --> 02:19:09,900 which I think we will, 1032 02:19:09,900 --> 02:19:12,800 and thank you, those are my comments. 1033 02:19:12,800 --> 02:19:14,760 - Okay, other speakers. 1034 02:19:14,760 --> 02:19:18,730 Councilor Trossab. 1035 02:19:18,730 --> 02:19:23,880 - Very briefly, I would like to again thank 1036 02:19:23,880 --> 02:19:26,890 Deputy City Manager for his memo, 1037 02:19:26,890 --> 02:19:29,340 which added some additional language 1038 02:19:29,340 --> 02:19:32,070 with respect to the cultural anchors. 1039 02:19:32,070 --> 02:19:35,170 And I particularly want to thank Mr. Macaulay 1040 02:19:35,170 --> 02:19:38,380 for spending the time with me and Museum London 1041 02:19:38,380 --> 02:19:41,100 and the London Public Library to add some 1042 02:19:41,100 --> 02:19:41,970 specific things 1043 02:19:41,970 --> 02:19:43,870 that they felt was missing. 1044 02:19:43,870 --> 02:19:46,180 Very significant for me, 1045 02:19:46,180 --> 02:19:49,090 I guess I've been talking about this quite a bit. 1046 02:19:49,090 --> 02:19:51,560 I'm very, very excited to see the additional 1047 02:19:51,560 --> 02:19:51,960 language 1048 02:19:51,960 --> 02:19:54,660 in 12.2 and I really will be looking forward 1049 02:19:54,660 --> 02:19:57,930 to working with staff and sort of looking at what 1050 02:19:57,930 --> 02:19:58,320 we already 1051 02:19:58,320 --> 02:20:00,070 have on the books and how that can be 1052 02:20:00,070 --> 02:20:00,750 incorporated 1053 02:20:00,750 --> 02:20:02,740 into the implementation here. 1054 02:20:02,740 --> 02:20:05,690 So thank you again for working with me on that 1055 02:20:05,690 --> 02:20:08,470 and particular thanks to Mr. Macaulay. 1056 02:20:08,470 --> 02:20:13,950 Thank you. 1057 02:20:13,950 --> 02:20:16,420 - Other speakers? 1058 02:20:16,420 --> 02:20:18,220 I have myself on the list, I'll briefly speak. 1059 02:20:18,220 --> 02:20:20,630 I will turn it over to Councillor Layman to chair 1060 02:20:20,630 --> 02:20:22,100 . 1061 02:20:22,100 --> 02:20:25,100 - Thank you, go ahead, Mayor. 1062 02:20:25,100 --> 02:20:27,530 - Yeah, I don't want to repeat what colleagues 1063 02:20:27,530 --> 02:20:28,530 have already said. 1064 02:20:28,530 --> 02:20:31,360 But I do want to actually take a moment to thank 1065 02:20:31,360 --> 02:20:31,990 our staff 1066 02:20:31,990 --> 02:20:33,950 and all of the different community partners 1067 02:20:33,950 --> 02:20:36,890 who took the time to engage on both this and the 1068 02:20:36,890 --> 02:20:37,410 plan 1069 02:20:37,410 --> 02:20:39,800 that we just passed on the economic development 1070 02:20:39,800 --> 02:20:40,240 plan. 1071 02:20:40,240 --> 02:20:41,910 These were things that we said in a direction 1072 02:20:41,910 --> 02:20:43,980 a couple of years ago to actually come to 1073 02:20:43,980 --> 02:20:44,860 fruition. 1074 02:20:44,860 --> 02:20:45,690 It took a lot of work. 1075 02:20:45,690 --> 02:20:47,090 It took a lot of engagement. 1076 02:20:47,090 --> 02:20:51,060 The consultants did thousands of hours of work. 1077 02:20:51,060 --> 02:20:52,730 Our staff did the same. 1078 02:20:52,730 --> 02:20:55,840 And so although we have the chance to pass it 1079 02:20:55,840 --> 02:20:56,120 today, 1080 02:20:56,120 --> 02:20:57,520 and there's obviously a lot of work ahead, 1081 02:20:57,520 --> 02:20:59,310 'cause these are plans that have to be 1082 02:20:59,310 --> 02:21:00,390 implemented, 1083 02:21:00,390 --> 02:21:01,740 it is important for us to recognize 1084 02:21:01,740 --> 02:21:03,180 that there's a significant amount of work 1085 02:21:03,180 --> 02:21:04,650 that go into this point, 1086 02:21:04,650 --> 02:21:06,650 to getting to this point is a critical piece. 1087 02:21:06,650 --> 02:21:08,690 But this is, as Councilor Perbal always likes to 1088 02:21:08,690 --> 02:21:08,880 say, 1089 02:21:08,880 --> 02:21:09,920 when we do the strategic plan, 1090 02:21:09,920 --> 02:21:12,790 implementation is obviously a critical part 1091 02:21:12,790 --> 02:21:14,460 of any document or plan. 1092 02:21:14,460 --> 02:21:16,660 Having a solid plan is just the first step. 1093 02:21:16,660 --> 02:21:18,410 One of the things that I just wanted to take a 1094 02:21:18,410 --> 02:21:18,530 moment 1095 02:21:18,530 --> 02:21:19,850 to highlight, 'cause there are many things 1096 02:21:19,850 --> 02:21:22,190 to highlight in the downtown plan, 1097 02:21:22,190 --> 02:21:25,000 is I appreciate the recognition of the assets 1098 02:21:25,000 --> 02:21:26,890 that we have in the downtown already. 1099 02:21:26,890 --> 02:21:29,520 We are lucky to be a city where there is hundreds 1100 02:21:29,520 --> 02:21:31,510 of millions of dollars of residential investment 1101 02:21:31,510 --> 02:21:32,990 already going into our downtown 1102 02:21:32,990 --> 02:21:34,740 that we have the capacity to accelerate. 1103 02:21:34,740 --> 02:21:36,490 We are lucky to be a city where we have already 1104 02:21:36,490 --> 02:21:36,590 made 1105 02:21:36,530 --> 02:21:39,360 the decision to improve on significant 1106 02:21:39,360 --> 02:21:42,590 and existing critical assets that are already 1107 02:21:42,590 --> 02:21:43,780 driving 1108 02:21:43,780 --> 02:21:48,070 activity and events in the downtown 1109 02:21:48,070 --> 02:21:50,910 like the investment we made in the enhancements 1110 02:21:50,910 --> 02:21:53,020 to Canada Life Place. 1111 02:21:53,020 --> 02:21:54,500 We also recognize through this plan 1112 02:21:54,500 --> 02:21:57,130 that we have significant natural heritage aspects 1113 02:21:57,130 --> 02:21:59,460 in our downtown, that other cities are ambious up 1114 02:21:59,460 --> 02:21:59,610 . 1115 02:21:59,610 --> 02:22:01,370 We have a beautiful river flowing through the 1116 02:22:01,370 --> 02:22:01,730 downtown 1117 02:22:01,730 --> 02:22:02,560 of the city. 1118 02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:05,130 We have private sector interested in the river 1119 02:22:05,130 --> 02:22:05,560 district. 1120 02:22:05,560 --> 02:22:06,560 It's a grassroots moment. 1121 02:22:06,560 --> 02:22:08,870 It's not a city idea coming to being layered 1122 02:22:08,870 --> 02:22:09,870 onto the community. 1123 02:22:09,870 --> 02:22:11,550 We're seizing these things in our community. 1124 02:22:11,550 --> 02:22:13,420 And of course, right beside this building, 1125 02:22:13,420 --> 02:22:15,340 we recognize that we have one of the most 1126 02:22:15,340 --> 02:22:16,020 beautiful 1127 02:22:16,020 --> 02:22:18,940 downtown parks of any city and we have the 1128 02:22:18,940 --> 02:22:19,250 ability 1129 02:22:19,250 --> 02:22:21,250 to make that a truly transformative space 1130 02:22:21,250 --> 02:22:22,770 through the execution of this plan. 1131 02:22:22,770 --> 02:22:25,040 Downtowns are shifting to we neighborhoods, 1132 02:22:25,040 --> 02:22:26,830 and that means downtowns will feel like 1133 02:22:26,830 --> 02:22:27,520 neighborhoods 1134 02:22:27,520 --> 02:22:29,350 with people living in them, working in them, 1135 02:22:29,350 --> 02:22:30,950 enjoying beautiful public spaces, 1136 02:22:30,950 --> 02:22:33,350 and we have the chance now to move forward 1137 02:22:33,350 --> 02:22:34,700 up on the passing of this plan 1138 02:22:34,700 --> 02:22:37,120 with execution implementation of a really 1139 02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:38,180 critical plan 1140 02:22:38,180 --> 02:22:42,010 that was representative of many hours of hard 1141 02:22:42,010 --> 02:22:42,200 work 1142 02:22:42,200 --> 02:22:45,580 for many people, so thank you. 1143 02:22:45,580 --> 02:22:48,990 - I'll turn the chair back to you, Mayor. 1144 02:22:48,990 --> 02:22:53,990 - Okay, others, speakers to do this. 1145 02:22:53,990 --> 02:23:13,920 Okay, seeing none, we can open this for a moment. 1146 02:23:13,920 --> 02:23:22,710 - Councillor Palazzo, second call, Councillor Pal 1147 02:23:22,710 --> 02:23:25,360 azzo, 1148 02:23:25,360 --> 02:23:26,760 or I can Councillor Palazzo absent, 1149 02:23:26,760 --> 02:23:31,910 closing the vote, motion carries 12 to one. 1150 02:23:31,910 --> 02:23:32,980 - Councillor Rhomme. 1151 02:23:32,980 --> 02:23:40,040 - Thank you, that concludes my report. 1152 02:23:40,040 --> 02:23:41,810 - We're on to the 11th report 1153 02:23:41,810 --> 02:23:43,540 of the Infrastructure and Corporate Services 1154 02:23:43,540 --> 02:23:43,700 Committee, 1155 02:23:43,700 --> 02:23:45,430 Councillor McAllister, I'll turn it over to you 1156 02:23:45,430 --> 02:23:47,010 to present. 1157 02:23:47,010 --> 02:23:50,020 - Thank you, please, to report the 11th report 1158 02:23:50,020 --> 02:23:52,070 on Infrastructure and Corporate Services. 1159 02:23:52,070 --> 02:23:55,050 I have had requests for eight, nine, and 11 to be 1160 02:23:55,050 --> 02:23:55,800 pulled, 1161 02:23:55,800 --> 02:24:01,220 so I will look to move one through seven and 10. 1162 02:24:06,650 --> 02:24:08,710 - Okay, anybody else want anything dealt with 1163 02:24:08,710 --> 02:24:09,050 separately 1164 02:24:09,050 --> 02:24:12,820 besides eight, nine and 11? 1165 02:24:12,820 --> 02:24:16,420 Okay, so you'll move a motion council then? 1166 02:24:16,420 --> 02:24:20,450 - Yes, that was one, two, seven. 1167 02:24:20,450 --> 02:24:22,610 - So one to seven and 10 are before us moved by 1168 02:24:22,610 --> 02:24:23,070 the chair. 1169 02:24:23,070 --> 02:24:29,800 Any discussion on those matters, okay? 1170 02:24:29,800 --> 02:24:47,590 Seeing none, we will open that for voting. 1171 02:24:47,590 --> 02:24:52,180 - Those in the vote, motion carries, 13 to zero. 1172 02:24:52,180 --> 02:24:54,340 - Sorry, Mr. Chair, Mr. Mayor. 1173 02:24:54,340 --> 02:24:55,740 - Yes. 1174 02:24:55,740 --> 02:24:57,700 - My vote, sorry, sitting with the last vote, 1175 02:24:57,700 --> 02:24:59,080 just keep saying vote closed, 1176 02:24:59,080 --> 02:25:00,940 even though I'm trying to vote. 1177 02:25:02,090 --> 02:25:03,800 - So I'm here, I'm gonna start restart E-scribe, 1178 02:25:03,800 --> 02:25:06,140 but my vote would have been a yes if it would let 1179 02:25:06,140 --> 02:25:07,540 me vote. 1180 02:25:07,540 --> 02:25:11,260 - Oh, on the downtown plan, that one? 1181 02:25:11,260 --> 02:25:13,500 - Yeah, on that one and then Councillors, 1182 02:25:13,500 --> 02:25:14,880 Democrats are stuff right now. 1183 02:25:14,880 --> 02:25:17,180 Just, I said, I'll restart it, just keep saying 1184 02:25:17,180 --> 02:25:17,490 vote close. 1185 02:25:17,490 --> 02:25:19,650 So I'll retry and I'll do it verbally 1186 02:25:19,650 --> 02:25:22,570 if it's giving me more problems, sorry. 1187 02:25:22,570 --> 02:25:23,450 - No problem, Councillor. 1188 02:25:23,450 --> 02:25:26,720 I mean, we're happy that you verbally confirmed 1189 02:25:26,720 --> 02:25:28,160 your support for the downtown plan. 1190 02:25:28,160 --> 02:25:30,500 If you really want to vote for a week or three-- 1191 02:25:30,500 --> 02:25:32,170 - Nope, we're not going back, always forward. 1192 02:25:32,170 --> 02:25:34,170 Thank you. 1193 02:25:34,170 --> 02:25:35,370 - Perfect, that's the way I like it. 1194 02:25:35,370 --> 02:25:37,650 All right, okay, so we'll move on then. 1195 02:25:37,650 --> 02:25:39,780 And if you need to vote verbally, just vote 1196 02:25:39,780 --> 02:25:40,410 verbally, 1197 02:25:40,410 --> 02:25:43,200 we'll slow things down to make sure you can jump 1198 02:25:43,200 --> 02:25:43,590 in 1199 02:25:43,590 --> 02:25:44,940 until Lee Scribe gets working for you. 1200 02:25:44,940 --> 02:25:46,330 I'll turn it back to Councilor McAllister 1201 02:25:46,330 --> 02:25:49,350 for the remaining items in the report. 1202 02:25:49,350 --> 02:25:51,050 - Thank you, and through you, I'll put item eight 1203 02:25:51,050 --> 02:25:53,650 on the floor. 1204 02:25:53,650 --> 02:25:55,000 - Okay, so that's on the floor. 1205 02:25:55,000 --> 02:25:59,950 I'll look to any speakers. 1206 02:25:59,950 --> 02:26:07,000 Seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 1207 02:26:07,000 --> 02:26:14,640 - Well, yes, Councilor Plaza. 1208 02:26:14,640 --> 02:26:18,040 - Closing the vote, motion carries 13 to one. 1209 02:26:18,040 --> 02:26:20,540 - Councilor McAllister. 1210 02:26:20,540 --> 02:26:23,810 - For you, I will put item nine on the floor. 1211 02:26:23,810 --> 02:26:25,670 - Okay, item nine is on the floor. 1212 02:26:25,670 --> 02:26:32,340 I'll look to any speakers on item nine. 1213 02:26:32,340 --> 02:26:38,250 Seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 1214 02:26:38,250 --> 02:26:48,810 - Councilor Close votes yes. 1215 02:26:48,810 --> 02:26:52,310 - Close in the vote, motion carries 13 to one. 1216 02:26:52,310 --> 02:26:53,820 - Councilor McAllister. 1217 02:26:53,820 --> 02:26:55,630 - Thank you, through you, I'll put item 11 on the 1218 02:26:55,630 --> 02:26:57,150 floor. 1219 02:26:57,150 --> 02:26:58,750 - Item 11 is on the floor. 1220 02:26:58,750 --> 02:27:00,980 I'll look for any speakers to item 11. 1221 02:27:00,980 --> 02:27:03,280 Councilor Stevenson. 1222 02:27:03,280 --> 02:27:04,380 - Thank you. 1223 02:27:04,380 --> 02:27:07,010 I do have some questions through you to staff. 1224 02:27:07,010 --> 02:27:11,660 I just wanna confirm that this report says 1225 02:27:11,660 --> 02:27:16,860 that there's $1.8 billion in property tax funding 1226 02:27:17,510 --> 02:27:22,760 or taxpayer funding that is internally invested 1227 02:27:22,760 --> 02:27:23,450 and managed. 1228 02:27:23,450 --> 02:27:28,860 And I also just wanna confirm that the policies 1229 02:27:28,860 --> 02:27:32,790 that we have regarding how to invest 1230 02:27:32,790 --> 02:27:36,910 and how to report out are the provincial 1231 02:27:36,910 --> 02:27:37,480 standards 1232 02:27:37,480 --> 02:27:41,820 and nothing more than that. 1233 02:27:41,820 --> 02:27:49,080 - Sure, I'll go to Mr. Murray online. 1234 02:27:49,080 --> 02:27:50,730 - Thank you and three Mr. Murray, yes. 1235 02:27:50,730 --> 02:27:52,070 That is correct. 1236 02:27:52,070 --> 02:27:57,560 The total market value of the city's investment 1237 02:27:57,560 --> 02:27:57,660 portfolio 1238 02:27:57,580 --> 02:28:02,520 as of the end of 2025 was approximately 1.8 1239 02:28:02,520 --> 02:28:02,860 billion. 1240 02:28:02,860 --> 02:28:06,390 And to the second part of the councilor's 1241 02:28:06,390 --> 02:28:07,240 question, 1242 02:28:07,240 --> 02:28:09,720 the investment process, 1243 02:28:09,720 --> 02:28:14,140 some of their investment strategy and decisions 1244 02:28:14,140 --> 02:28:18,120 are guided by provincial legislation, 1245 02:28:18,120 --> 02:28:19,670 specifically the Municipal Act 1246 02:28:19,670 --> 02:28:22,740 and associated regulations as well 1247 02:28:22,740 --> 02:28:25,840 as our city investment policy, 1248 02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:27,990 which is available on our website, 1249 02:28:27,990 --> 02:28:31,490 and that policy itself is informed, of course, 1250 02:28:31,490 --> 02:28:35,880 by the regulations in the Municipal Act, thank 1251 02:28:35,880 --> 02:28:36,730 you. 1252 02:28:36,730 --> 02:28:38,880 - Councillor Stevenson. 1253 02:28:38,880 --> 02:28:41,170 - Thank you, and to confirm, in terms of 1254 02:28:41,170 --> 02:28:42,070 reporting, 1255 02:28:42,070 --> 02:28:44,620 it's just the minimum required by the Municipal 1256 02:28:44,620 --> 02:28:46,840 Act, correct? 1257 02:28:46,840 --> 02:28:48,810 - Mr. Murray. 1258 02:28:48,810 --> 02:28:52,650 - Through you, so the reporting that is required 1259 02:28:52,650 --> 02:28:57,650 outlined in our investment policy itself as well. 1260 02:28:57,650 --> 02:29:00,710 It does certainly meet the minimum requirements 1261 02:29:00,710 --> 02:29:03,480 in the legislation, although we do provide 1262 02:29:03,480 --> 02:29:06,520 additional context and additional commentary 1263 02:29:06,520 --> 02:29:09,570 as part of our investment report to help council 1264 02:29:09,570 --> 02:29:12,480 understand our investment performance. 1265 02:29:12,480 --> 02:29:16,040 Okay, Councillor Stevenson. Thank you. Yeah, I 1266 02:29:16,040 --> 02:29:18,040 talked about this one a little bit at committee, 1267 02:29:18,040 --> 02:29:21,940 but I you know we talk about transparency and 1268 02:29:21,940 --> 02:29:25,050 accountability and as I said this is 1.8 billion 1269 02:29:25,050 --> 02:29:29,260 dollars and what is reported and it's no well it 1270 02:29:29,260 --> 02:29:34,730 's 1.5 billion in fixed income in GICs and 295 1271 02:29:34,730 --> 02:29:37,920 million in Canadian equity pooled funds when I 1272 02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:42,240 and that's that's all that we see so when I asked 1273 02:29:42,240 --> 02:29:44,840 at committee you know other cities will list all 1274 02:29:44,840 --> 02:29:47,370 of the different investments and we get to see 1275 02:29:47,370 --> 02:29:47,600 them 1276 02:29:47,600 --> 02:29:50,980 all. And the response was there's a lot of them, 1277 02:29:50,980 --> 02:29:54,000 there's 180 different investments. And 1278 02:29:54,000 --> 02:29:57,090 I just think, well, all the more reason why two 1279 02:29:57,090 --> 02:30:00,600 lines is not sufficient, transparency, 1280 02:30:00,600 --> 02:30:03,410 in my opinion, two taxpayers, where we're 1281 02:30:03,410 --> 02:30:05,960 investing money on behalf of them. And when 1282 02:30:05,960 --> 02:30:10,920 I go back to 2021, the investment report for the 1283 02:30:10,920 --> 02:30:15,970 year ending 2021, it showed 10 or 12 1284 02:30:15,970 --> 02:30:18,900 different investments. It also talked about the 1285 02:30:18,900 --> 02:30:22,910 average term maturity. It showed book value. 1286 02:30:22,910 --> 02:30:26,400 And there was an appendix B that showed the 1287 02:30:26,400 --> 02:30:30,170 various different five cool investment funds, 1288 02:30:30,170 --> 02:30:33,220 government fixed income, corporate fixed income, 1289 02:30:33,220 --> 02:30:36,140 asset backed securities and other investments. 1290 02:30:36,140 --> 02:30:38,770 And it showed both cost and market value for the 1291 02:30:38,770 --> 02:30:41,080 current year and the previous year. 1292 02:30:41,080 --> 02:30:44,050 it says an excerpt from the 2021 consolidated 1293 02:30:44,050 --> 02:30:48,740 financial statements so but in the in the 2025 1294 02:30:48,740 --> 02:30:51,640 report here we're only showing fair value we're 1295 02:30:51,640 --> 02:30:54,520 not showing book value and market value you can't 1296 02:30:54,520 --> 02:30:57,910 see if there was a gain or a loss and so i'm just 1297 02:30:57,910 --> 02:31:01,210 wondering when this report is developed and 1298 02:31:01,210 --> 02:31:01,530 brought 1299 02:31:01,530 --> 02:31:05,700 forward to council how does civic administration 1300 02:31:05,700 --> 02:31:08,540 decide how much to provide and and what 1301 02:31:08,540 --> 02:31:09,660 information 1302 02:31:09,660 --> 02:31:11,750 to provide. And if there's a change from one year 1303 02:31:11,750 --> 02:31:13,400 to the next, because it seems to me, and I've 1304 02:31:13,400 --> 02:31:16,500 said this before, that in iterations of Council, 1305 02:31:16,500 --> 02:31:19,350 we seem to be having less and less accountability 1306 02:31:19,350 --> 02:31:22,380 and transparency, less and less detail, whether 1307 02:31:22,380 --> 02:31:28,530 it's multi-year budgets, you know, operating 1308 02:31:28,530 --> 02:31:29,270 things 1309 02:31:29,270 --> 02:31:31,810 or the investments. We're seeing less and less. 1310 02:31:31,810 --> 02:31:34,160 When I go back 10 years ago, there's tons of 1311 02:31:34,160 --> 02:31:37,100 detail ins and outs, balances. Now we just get 1312 02:31:37,100 --> 02:31:39,600 everything summed out. So my question through 1313 02:31:39,600 --> 02:31:42,940 you to staff is can you just help me understand 1314 02:31:42,940 --> 02:31:46,760 why there's a change to fair value reporting 1315 02:31:46,760 --> 02:31:47,090 rather 1316 02:31:47,090 --> 02:31:51,540 than book value and market value and who and how 1317 02:31:51,540 --> 02:31:55,920 is or the decisions made around less reporting 1318 02:31:55,920 --> 02:32:01,200 to counsel. I don't have Mr. Roy you want to 1319 02:32:01,200 --> 02:32:03,900 start with that one? Certainly and through you Mr 1320 02:32:03,900 --> 02:32:04,400 . Mayor so 1321 02:32:04,400 --> 02:32:08,090 what I will say and certainly the the environment 1322 02:32:08,090 --> 02:32:11,760 and the landscape has changed somewhat in the 1323 02:32:11,760 --> 02:32:16,450 the last few years as it pertains to accounting 1324 02:32:16,450 --> 02:32:19,740 policies and accounting requirements in relation 1325 02:32:19,740 --> 02:32:22,100 to our investments. 1326 02:32:22,100 --> 02:32:24,420 New accounting standards related to financial 1327 02:32:24,420 --> 02:32:26,680 instruments have come into effect approximately 1328 02:32:26,680 --> 02:32:31,310 two years ago, which has required municipalities 1329 02:32:31,310 --> 02:32:35,300 to reflect our investments in many cases at 1330 02:32:35,300 --> 02:32:38,840 fair market value. So that is why the shift 1331 02:32:38,840 --> 02:32:43,190 perhaps in focus from book value to fair market 1332 02:32:43,190 --> 02:32:43,670 value, 1333 02:32:43,670 --> 02:32:46,590 that is to align with the accounting standards 1334 02:32:46,590 --> 02:32:49,940 that are currently in effect. What I will say 1335 02:32:49,940 --> 02:32:52,870 more generally as well is that certainly we are 1336 02:32:52,870 --> 02:32:55,850 open to providing the information that council 1337 02:32:55,850 --> 02:32:58,810 believes is valuable and relevant and helpful in 1338 02:32:58,810 --> 02:33:02,710 your understanding of our investment portfolio 1339 02:33:02,710 --> 02:33:05,920 activities. Certainly we're happy to take that 1340 02:33:05,920 --> 02:33:07,440 direction. We do have a fairly 1341 02:33:07,440 --> 02:33:11,010 sizable investment portfolio. As was noted in the 1342 02:33:11,010 --> 02:33:12,520 committee report itself, we 1343 02:33:12,520 --> 02:33:17,180 have upwards of almost 200 different securities 1344 02:33:17,180 --> 02:33:18,030 in our fixed income 1345 02:33:18,030 --> 02:33:21,220 portfolio. So it is a sizable portfolio, but 1346 02:33:21,220 --> 02:33:23,420 certainly we are open to taking 1347 02:33:23,420 --> 02:33:25,740 Council's direction on additional information or 1348 02:33:25,740 --> 02:33:26,770 specifics that Council 1349 02:33:26,770 --> 02:33:29,540 would like to see going forward. Councilor 1350 02:33:29,540 --> 02:33:32,350 Stevenson. Yeah, thank you. I mean I 1351 02:33:32,350 --> 02:33:34,810 I think it would be clear by what I'm doing here 1352 02:33:34,810 --> 02:33:36,790 that I do think that we should have 1353 02:33:36,790 --> 02:33:39,130 a more extensive investment policy 1354 02:33:39,130 --> 02:33:42,550 and council should be saying that what we wanna 1355 02:33:42,550 --> 02:33:42,980 see, 1356 02:33:42,980 --> 02:33:47,610 this is just so summed that it's just not 1357 02:33:47,610 --> 02:33:47,980 accountable 1358 02:33:47,980 --> 02:33:49,870 or transparent in my opinion. 1359 02:33:49,870 --> 02:33:51,730 And I think the general public would agree 1360 02:33:51,730 --> 02:33:53,620 that if there's 180 different investments 1361 02:33:53,620 --> 02:33:56,520 that it'd be nice to know for those who know 1362 02:33:56,520 --> 02:33:59,090 about investing, be able to see transparently 1363 02:33:59,090 --> 02:34:00,060 what we're doing. 1364 02:34:00,060 --> 02:34:02,530 So in the 2021 report, 1365 02:34:02,530 --> 02:34:05,560 it took an excerpt from the consolidated 1366 02:34:05,560 --> 02:34:06,480 financial statements 1367 02:34:06,480 --> 02:34:07,910 for the year. 1368 02:34:07,910 --> 02:34:09,550 Did staff think that there was anything 1369 02:34:09,550 --> 02:34:11,600 in the current year of financial statements 1370 02:34:11,600 --> 02:34:13,210 that was warranted to bring forward 1371 02:34:13,210 --> 02:34:14,730 for council's attention here? 1372 02:34:14,730 --> 02:34:17,320 I'm assuming not because it's not here, 1373 02:34:17,320 --> 02:34:19,760 but I just wanna know if that consideration is 1374 02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:20,190 made 1375 02:34:20,190 --> 02:34:25,200 and who's making that decision. 1376 02:34:25,200 --> 02:34:28,780 - Mr. Murray. 1377 02:34:28,780 --> 02:34:29,610 - Thank you through you. 1378 02:34:29,610 --> 02:34:33,730 So the information here, I'll just caution as 1379 02:34:33,730 --> 02:34:34,020 well 1380 02:34:34,020 --> 02:34:39,340 is not directly tieable to the financial 1381 02:34:39,340 --> 02:34:39,800 statements themselves. 1382 02:34:39,800 --> 02:34:41,750 Of course, our financial statements are 1383 02:34:41,750 --> 02:34:42,430 consolidated 1384 02:34:42,430 --> 02:34:45,320 financial statements, this investment report 1385 02:34:45,320 --> 02:34:45,590 deals 1386 02:34:45,590 --> 02:34:49,980 with specifically our unconsolidated investments, 1387 02:34:49,980 --> 02:34:53,570 those being the investments of the city itself 1388 02:34:53,570 --> 02:34:56,290 and not inclusive of investments 1389 02:34:56,290 --> 02:34:58,610 that our agencies, boards or commissions may hold 1390 02:34:58,610 --> 02:34:58,720 . 1391 02:34:58,720 --> 02:35:01,910 So there is a challenge, I guess, 1392 02:35:01,910 --> 02:35:03,870 in pulling information directly 1393 02:35:03,870 --> 02:35:06,860 our financial statements because they are two 1394 02:35:06,860 --> 02:35:10,450 different basis of numbers that that they relate 1395 02:35:10,450 --> 02:35:10,650 to. 1396 02:35:10,650 --> 02:35:14,820 So that is the challenge but certainly the the 1397 02:35:14,820 --> 02:35:18,310 portion of our investments that relate to the 1398 02:35:18,310 --> 02:35:21,530 city itself is reconciled to what is reported in 1399 02:35:21,530 --> 02:35:24,700 our annual audited financial statements. 1400 02:35:24,700 --> 02:35:30,320 Councilor Stevenson. Thank you and who is it that 1401 02:35:30,320 --> 02:35:33,160 makes the decision as to the level of information 1402 02:35:33,160 --> 02:35:37,830 and that comes to council. 1403 02:35:37,830 --> 02:35:41,570 - Mr. Murray, are I see nods in the room to Mr. 1404 02:35:41,570 --> 02:35:43,260 Murray? 1405 02:35:43,260 --> 02:35:44,260 Okay. 1406 02:35:44,260 --> 02:35:46,980 Or do you want to go? 1407 02:35:46,980 --> 02:35:48,210 Mr. Murray, I'll start with you 1408 02:35:48,210 --> 02:35:51,600 and then we might have more answers in the room, 1409 02:35:51,600 --> 02:35:52,060 so. 1410 02:35:52,060 --> 02:35:52,900 - Certainly, certainly. 1411 02:35:52,900 --> 02:35:55,880 I can start Mr. Mayor and through you, 1412 02:35:55,880 --> 02:35:58,850 it is the treasurer who has ultimate 1413 02:35:58,850 --> 02:35:59,610 responsibility 1414 02:35:59,610 --> 02:36:02,980 for the investment policy 1415 02:36:02,980 --> 02:36:07,270 and ultimately the investment report of the city. 1416 02:36:07,270 --> 02:36:09,930 - Would you like to add anything? 1417 02:36:09,930 --> 02:36:10,770 - Thank you for the chair. 1418 02:36:10,770 --> 02:36:12,960 So certainly throughout the number of years 1419 02:36:12,960 --> 02:36:14,750 through our investment update, 1420 02:36:14,750 --> 02:36:16,790 we've provided numerous policy changes 1421 02:36:16,790 --> 02:36:18,660 and through those policy changes, 1422 02:36:18,660 --> 02:36:20,050 we take the direction of council. 1423 02:36:20,050 --> 02:36:22,370 So certainly if council was looking for 1424 02:36:22,370 --> 02:36:23,520 additional information 1425 02:36:23,520 --> 02:36:25,630 or does not wish to follow the advice 1426 02:36:25,630 --> 02:36:27,550 that staff have put forward with respect to 1427 02:36:27,550 --> 02:36:28,660 policy changes, 1428 02:36:28,660 --> 02:36:30,730 council is always open to make those changes 1429 02:36:30,730 --> 02:36:32,520 through the policy that is brought forward 1430 02:36:32,520 --> 02:36:35,380 on a regular basis for review. 1431 02:36:35,380 --> 02:36:36,560 - Perfect, thank you. 1432 02:36:36,560 --> 02:36:38,080 Councillor Stevenson, you have, 1433 02:36:38,080 --> 02:36:40,160 I just wanna give you your time. 1434 02:36:40,160 --> 02:36:43,210 you got 38 seconds or so. 1435 02:36:43,210 --> 02:36:45,360 - Yeah, so, and I understand that, 1436 02:36:45,360 --> 02:36:46,870 and hence why I'm talking to council 1437 02:36:46,870 --> 02:36:48,550 and talking to the public about this, 1438 02:36:48,550 --> 02:36:50,940 in that the minimum standards are met, 1439 02:36:50,940 --> 02:36:52,490 but there's a variation, 1440 02:36:52,490 --> 02:36:55,200 changes are happening from year to year, 1441 02:36:55,200 --> 02:36:57,030 the presentation is changing, 1442 02:36:57,030 --> 02:36:58,700 what is reported is changing, 1443 02:36:58,700 --> 02:37:00,770 the level of detail is changing, 1444 02:37:00,770 --> 02:37:03,800 and there's no explanation as to why in the 1445 02:37:03,800 --> 02:37:04,480 report, 1446 02:37:04,480 --> 02:37:05,830 those changes are made. 1447 02:37:05,830 --> 02:37:09,620 So it does say that the 2024 portfolio investment 1448 02:37:09,620 --> 02:37:09,760 , 1449 02:37:09,760 --> 02:37:12,920 that we closed out the retail brokerage accounts 1450 02:37:12,920 --> 02:37:15,040 and everything's been moved internally. 1451 02:37:15,040 --> 02:37:19,540 I guess and I'm not trying to trap staff here and 1452 02:37:19,540 --> 02:37:22,330 I am a little frustrated by what is being 1453 02:37:22,330 --> 02:37:25,730 presented here when I read your time is up. Other 1454 02:37:25,730 --> 02:37:37,830 speakers to this item we're going to open that 1455 02:37:37,830 --> 02:37:55,520 for voting. Sir Pelosi thank you closing the vote 1456 02:37:55,520 --> 02:37:59,520 motion carries 13-1 and that concludes my report. 1457 02:37:59,520 --> 02:38:02,350 Okay thank you we're going to move on to the 1458 02:38:02,350 --> 02:38:03,620 report of the Planning and Environment Committee 1459 02:38:03,620 --> 02:38:05,350 I'll turn it over to chair layman to present the 1460 02:38:05,350 --> 02:38:06,410 report. 1461 02:38:06,410 --> 02:38:07,180 - Thank you, Mayor. 1462 02:38:07,180 --> 02:38:09,650 I'm pleased to present the ninth report 1463 02:38:09,650 --> 02:38:13,690 of the playing an environment committee. 1464 02:38:13,690 --> 02:38:17,230 I've been requested to pull item seven 1465 02:38:17,230 --> 02:38:22,280 and that's the extent of that. 1466 02:38:22,280 --> 02:38:25,310 - Okay, item seven, anything else? 1467 02:38:25,310 --> 02:38:27,490 Go ahead, Councilor Trossa, or sorry, 1468 02:38:27,490 --> 02:38:29,230 Raman, Councilor Raman, you wanted something 1469 02:38:29,230 --> 02:38:34,210 separate? 1470 02:38:34,210 --> 02:38:39,030 - Thank you, item 12, please, 4.1. 1471 02:38:39,030 --> 02:38:41,910 - Okay, 12, Councilor Trossa, you have your hand 1472 02:38:41,910 --> 02:38:42,840 up? 1473 02:38:42,840 --> 02:38:44,200 - Yes, I'm sorry. 1474 02:38:44,200 --> 02:38:49,070 I wanted to vote separately on item six. 1475 02:38:49,070 --> 02:38:50,790 - Oh, item six in the planning report, sure, no 1476 02:38:50,790 --> 02:38:51,500 problem. 1477 02:38:51,500 --> 02:38:52,320 We can do that separate. 1478 02:38:52,320 --> 02:38:58,460 Councillor Stevenson. 1479 02:38:58,460 --> 02:38:59,280 - Thank you. 1480 02:38:59,280 --> 02:39:10,880 I'd like to pull five, eight and nine, please. 1481 02:39:10,880 --> 02:39:17,250 - Hey, one, one, anything else? 1482 02:39:17,250 --> 02:39:18,930 So it seems like what we have left is one through 1483 02:39:18,930 --> 02:39:19,790 four, 1484 02:39:19,790 --> 02:39:22,700 10 and 11, if I'm right. 1485 02:39:22,700 --> 02:39:24,000 I see nods. 1486 02:39:24,000 --> 02:39:26,530 Everybody okay with doing those ones together? 1487 02:39:26,530 --> 02:39:27,490 Okay, Councillor Layman. 1488 02:39:27,490 --> 02:39:29,510 - So I'll move those items. 1489 02:39:29,510 --> 02:39:30,430 - Those items are on the floor. 1490 02:39:30,430 --> 02:39:32,740 I'll look for any discussion. 1491 02:39:32,740 --> 02:39:35,600 Go ahead, Councillor. 1492 02:39:35,600 --> 02:39:36,440 - Yeah, thank you. 1493 02:39:36,440 --> 02:39:39,020 Well, I just want to take an opportunity here 1494 02:39:39,020 --> 02:39:42,560 to thank the committee on 3.1, 1495 02:39:42,560 --> 02:39:46,650 which is subdivision on Colonel Talbot. 1496 02:39:46,650 --> 02:39:50,760 Road, I did bring forward an amendment 1497 02:39:50,760 --> 02:39:53,630 given the amount of development that's going on 1498 02:39:53,630 --> 02:39:57,050 in this area and the development that is to come 1499 02:39:57,050 --> 02:40:00,260 that a revised transportation impact assessment 1500 02:40:00,260 --> 02:40:03,170 be considered as it goes through the draft plan 1501 02:40:03,170 --> 02:40:08,790 of subdivision as well as the site plan. 1502 02:40:08,940 --> 02:40:10,230 I just want to thank the committee 1503 02:40:10,230 --> 02:40:13,810 for supporting that amendment. 1504 02:40:13,810 --> 02:40:17,280 - Any other speakers to the items before us? 1505 02:40:17,280 --> 02:40:38,230 Okay, we're gonna open that for voting. 1506 02:40:38,230 --> 02:40:43,060 - Those in the vote, motion carries 14-0. 1507 02:40:43,060 --> 02:40:47,280 - Oh, I'd like to put on item five regarding 2496 1508 02:40:47,280 --> 02:40:48,110 Dundas Street. 1509 02:40:48,110 --> 02:40:52,190 Councilor Stevenson requests that to be pulled. 1510 02:40:52,190 --> 02:40:54,180 - Okay, that item is dealt with separately. 1511 02:40:54,180 --> 02:40:58,180 I looked at any speakers on that, go ahead. 1512 02:40:58,180 --> 02:40:59,960 - Thank you, yes, there was a written submission 1513 02:40:59,960 --> 02:41:02,700 that came in from the airport authority, I 1514 02:41:02,700 --> 02:41:03,210 believe. 1515 02:41:03,210 --> 02:41:05,220 On this one, I'd just like an update 1516 02:41:05,220 --> 02:41:12,510 or staff's comment on this. 1517 02:41:12,510 --> 02:41:13,340 - Go ahead. 1518 02:41:13,340 --> 02:41:14,940 - Sorry Mayor, point of order. 1519 02:41:14,940 --> 02:41:15,770 - Point of order. 1520 02:41:15,770 --> 02:41:17,990 - I believe, and this is not with respect 1521 02:41:17,990 --> 02:41:18,890 to the councilor's comments. 1522 02:41:18,890 --> 02:41:20,290 I see 12 was moved here. 1523 02:41:20,290 --> 02:41:43,660 I thought that was pulled. 1524 02:41:43,660 --> 02:41:47,300 - I don't know if you're reading the motion wrong 1525 02:41:47,300 --> 02:41:47,400 , 1526 02:41:47,300 --> 02:41:49,510 it says with the exception of items, 1527 02:41:49,510 --> 02:41:51,560 and then it lists them, and it includes 12. 1528 02:41:51,560 --> 02:41:54,930 So that means it's not in. 1529 02:41:54,930 --> 02:41:57,510 - Okay, I pulled that back, thank you. 1530 02:41:57,510 --> 02:42:02,670 So, all good. 1531 02:42:02,670 --> 02:42:04,980 - Thank you through your worship. 1532 02:42:04,980 --> 02:42:07,940 The letter on the agenda is provided for 1533 02:42:07,940 --> 02:42:08,450 information 1534 02:42:08,450 --> 02:42:11,290 for council to make you aware 1535 02:42:11,290 --> 02:42:14,890 that they do operate 24 hours, 1536 02:42:14,890 --> 02:42:18,030 and the concerns related to potential noise 1537 02:42:18,030 --> 02:42:18,730 complaints 1538 02:42:18,730 --> 02:42:22,630 from as growth happens and growth comes closer 1539 02:42:22,630 --> 02:42:24,830 to the airport lands. 1540 02:42:24,830 --> 02:42:27,070 - Councillor Stevenson. 1541 02:42:27,070 --> 02:42:27,900 - Thank you. 1542 02:42:27,900 --> 02:42:29,720 I guess I was surprised to see this 1543 02:42:29,720 --> 02:42:32,320 like right on the added agenda for council 1544 02:42:32,320 --> 02:42:34,830 given that we talked about this at planning a 1545 02:42:34,830 --> 02:42:35,630 little while ago 1546 02:42:35,630 --> 02:42:39,170 and I would have thought the airport as a major 1547 02:42:39,170 --> 02:42:40,350 neighbor 1548 02:42:40,350 --> 02:42:42,910 to that area that we would have reached out to 1549 02:42:42,910 --> 02:42:43,190 them 1550 02:42:43,190 --> 02:42:45,240 or consulted them or had their input. 1551 02:42:45,240 --> 02:42:48,250 So can I just ask, do we have a policy around 1552 02:42:48,250 --> 02:42:48,730 consulting 1553 02:42:48,730 --> 02:42:53,720 with the airport around these kinds of things? 1554 02:42:53,720 --> 02:42:55,360 - Mr. Mathers. 1555 02:42:55,360 --> 02:42:58,760 - Through your worship, we were circulated 1556 02:42:58,760 --> 02:43:01,080 on this application and they chose not to make a 1557 02:43:01,080 --> 02:43:01,550 submission 1558 02:43:01,550 --> 02:43:04,490 through the normal course of the process. 1559 02:43:04,490 --> 02:43:07,610 We did reach out to them very close to the 1560 02:43:07,610 --> 02:43:07,940 committee 1561 02:43:07,940 --> 02:43:09,200 'cause there were some questions that we'd 1562 02:43:09,200 --> 02:43:09,650 received 1563 02:43:09,650 --> 02:43:14,560 about the 24-hour nature of the airport lands 1564 02:43:14,560 --> 02:43:16,500 and they decided at that point to put and submit 1565 02:43:16,500 --> 02:43:16,900 a letter 1566 02:43:16,900 --> 02:43:18,430 but we did include them. 1567 02:43:18,430 --> 02:43:20,980 They were actually outside the required distance, 1568 02:43:20,980 --> 02:43:24,880 but we decided to provide them a notification 1569 02:43:24,880 --> 02:43:26,230 as part of our process, 1570 02:43:26,230 --> 02:43:27,780 but they chose not to at the time 1571 02:43:27,780 --> 02:43:31,460 to be able to make a submission. 1572 02:43:31,460 --> 02:43:33,310 - Councillor Stevenson. 1573 02:43:33,310 --> 02:43:34,090 - Thank you. 1574 02:43:34,090 --> 02:43:39,210 Can I ask in terms of our economic development 1575 02:43:39,210 --> 02:43:42,080 and our economic development strategy, 1576 02:43:42,080 --> 02:43:46,450 has this zoning change or app development been 1577 02:43:46,450 --> 02:43:47,120 considered 1578 02:43:47,120 --> 02:43:59,300 in terms of our goals there? 1579 02:43:59,300 --> 02:44:07,490 - Thank you through your worship. 1580 02:44:07,490 --> 02:44:11,830 These lands were brought into a change in land 1581 02:44:11,830 --> 02:44:11,930 use 1582 02:44:11,840 --> 02:44:13,750 through the land needs assessment review. 1583 02:44:13,750 --> 02:44:15,540 So they were originally industrial 1584 02:44:15,540 --> 02:44:17,720 and Council opted to put these lands into 1585 02:44:17,720 --> 02:44:18,920 residential. 1586 02:44:18,920 --> 02:44:21,670 So now the nature of the zoning application 1587 02:44:21,670 --> 02:44:24,060 is to follow that land use. 1588 02:44:24,060 --> 02:44:25,890 From that perspective, no, we don't necessarily 1589 02:44:25,890 --> 02:44:27,240 follow the economic development plan 1590 02:44:27,240 --> 02:44:30,110 because we're following the Planning Act 1591 02:44:30,110 --> 02:44:33,160 in terms of zoning applications 1592 02:44:33,160 --> 02:44:37,700 that are submitted for Council's consideration. 1593 02:44:37,700 --> 02:44:38,650 - Council Stevenson. 1594 02:44:38,650 --> 02:44:39,960 - Thank you through the staff though, 1595 02:44:39,960 --> 02:44:42,450 could I hear from economic development in terms 1596 02:44:42,450 --> 02:44:43,160 of 1597 02:44:43,160 --> 02:44:46,080 that being one of our focuses and how this might 1598 02:44:46,080 --> 02:44:53,840 impact? 1599 02:44:53,840 --> 02:44:55,240 - Thank you through the chair. 1600 02:44:55,240 --> 02:44:57,070 So I can, what I can say to you, 1601 02:44:57,070 --> 02:44:59,020 and I'm not sure it answers your full question, 1602 02:44:59,020 --> 02:45:01,090 I can tell you the airport was heavily involved 1603 02:45:01,090 --> 02:45:02,720 in the discussions as it relates to development 1604 02:45:02,720 --> 02:45:04,230 of the economic development plan. 1605 02:45:04,230 --> 02:45:06,400 I do not know that they've raised this specific 1606 02:45:06,400 --> 02:45:06,740 issue, 1607 02:45:06,740 --> 02:45:08,810 but they've certainly been active in the 1608 02:45:08,810 --> 02:45:09,400 discussions 1609 02:45:09,400 --> 02:45:10,320 as we develop the plan. 1610 02:45:10,320 --> 02:45:11,590 I'm happy to get more information 1611 02:45:11,590 --> 02:45:14,780 and specific questions if you have them. 1612 02:45:14,780 --> 02:45:16,550 - Councillor Stevenson. 1613 02:45:16,550 --> 02:45:20,930 - Well, I guess my last question is what are the 1614 02:45:20,930 --> 02:45:21,340 risks 1615 02:45:21,340 --> 02:45:24,500 of referring this and allowing us to have the 1616 02:45:24,500 --> 02:45:24,930 time 1617 02:45:24,930 --> 02:45:28,270 for civic administration to talk to them about 1618 02:45:28,270 --> 02:45:28,600 this 1619 02:45:28,600 --> 02:45:30,950 and to look at our economic development strategy 1620 02:45:30,950 --> 02:45:36,280 that was just passed? 1621 02:45:36,280 --> 02:45:38,760 - Maybe you can comment on timelines or anything 1622 02:45:38,760 --> 02:45:40,290 related to risk. 1623 02:45:40,290 --> 02:45:41,350 - Thank you through your worship. 1624 02:45:41,350 --> 02:45:44,180 From a planning perspective, the risk would be 1625 02:45:44,180 --> 02:45:47,930 not meeting the statutory timelines. 1626 02:45:47,930 --> 02:45:51,950 - Councillor Stevenson. 1627 02:45:51,950 --> 02:45:55,010 - Okay, I think that's the only questions I have. 1628 02:45:55,010 --> 02:46:00,070 - Like I said, I just feel uncomfortable 1629 02:46:00,070 --> 02:46:04,170 when I see a letter like this last minute on the 1630 02:46:04,170 --> 02:46:05,230 agenda. 1631 02:46:05,230 --> 02:46:09,740 It doesn't feel good, you know? 1632 02:46:09,740 --> 02:46:15,110 - Deputy Mayor Lewis. 1633 02:46:15,110 --> 02:46:17,330 - Thank you, Chair, and through you, 1634 02:46:17,330 --> 02:46:23,450 I'm gonna encourage everyone to support 1635 02:46:23,450 --> 02:46:26,160 the committee's recommendation here. 1636 02:46:26,160 --> 02:46:29,100 First of all, as Ms. Medele indicated in our 1637 02:46:29,100 --> 02:46:29,610 comments, 1638 02:46:29,610 --> 02:46:31,470 this land through the land needs assessment 1639 02:46:31,470 --> 02:46:34,440 was removed from the industrial place type 1640 02:46:34,440 --> 02:46:39,030 and the employment sector lands. 1641 02:46:39,030 --> 02:46:42,440 I think between 18 and 24 months ago, 1642 02:46:42,440 --> 02:46:43,910 or there about staffing correctly, 1643 02:46:43,910 --> 02:46:46,960 if I've got the timeline wrong, 1644 02:46:46,960 --> 02:46:49,890 the letter that we received from the airport 1645 02:46:49,890 --> 02:46:53,320 not only was late after not participating 1646 02:46:53,320 --> 02:46:58,240 in the initial opportunity to comment, 1647 02:46:58,240 --> 02:47:01,590 but really is not different substantively 1648 02:47:01,590 --> 02:47:04,180 than the letter we received almost two years ago 1649 02:47:04,180 --> 02:47:08,910 when we made the land use change. 1650 02:47:08,910 --> 02:47:11,230 So irrespective of the economic development plan, 1651 02:47:11,230 --> 02:47:13,080 which does feature some pieces of the airport, 1652 02:47:13,080 --> 02:47:16,530 have to make a planning decision here based on an 1653 02:47:16,530 --> 02:47:19,330 application that was received. And with respect 1654 02:47:19,330 --> 02:47:22,800 to the 24/7 comments, I mean, this is a situation 1655 02:47:22,800 --> 02:47:26,570 where anyone purchasing a unit in this townhouse 1656 02:47:26,570 --> 02:47:29,670 complex is going to know from day one that they 1657 02:47:29,670 --> 02:47:33,950 're moving near the airport. There are actually 1658 02:47:33,950 --> 02:47:36,500 homes that are closer to the airport already 1659 02:47:36,500 --> 02:47:41,810 existing on Costasav and Creamery Road. So again, 1660 02:47:41,810 --> 02:47:43,510 I just bring it back to this is a planning 1661 02:47:43,510 --> 02:47:48,390 application, not an economic development question 1662 02:47:48,390 --> 02:47:48,490 , 1663 02:47:48,390 --> 02:47:51,210 and we should be submitting or we should be 1664 02:47:51,210 --> 02:47:53,520 voting based on the planning rationale that was 1665 02:47:53,520 --> 02:47:53,910 supported 1666 02:47:53,910 --> 02:47:56,540 by staff in their staff report and moving this 1667 02:47:56,540 --> 02:47:59,100 application forward. So I would encourage 1668 02:47:59,100 --> 02:47:59,310 colleagues 1669 02:47:59,310 --> 02:48:06,150 to stay with committee recommendation. Other 1670 02:48:06,150 --> 02:48:10,700 speakers to this matter, Councillor Ferrera. 1671 02:48:10,700 --> 02:48:12,810 Thanks, Mayor. I would also agree that to stay 1672 02:48:12,810 --> 02:48:14,760 with the recommendation from the committee, 1673 02:48:14,760 --> 02:48:16,690 Deputy Mayor Lewis beat me to the punch, but cost 1674 02:48:16,690 --> 02:48:18,340 us out of this closer to approach 1675 02:48:18,340 --> 02:48:20,650 on the big runway there than this residential 1676 02:48:20,650 --> 02:48:22,010 development would be. 1677 02:48:22,010 --> 02:48:24,530 So there are individuals who would be closer than 1678 02:48:24,530 --> 02:48:25,570 this one. 1679 02:48:25,570 --> 02:48:27,590 And just with the patterns of aviation going 1680 02:48:27,590 --> 02:48:29,390 around, you're not going to see any aircraft 1681 02:48:29,390 --> 02:48:31,440 right over that area. 1682 02:48:31,440 --> 02:48:34,110 It would be much less of a noise, I guess, 1683 02:48:34,110 --> 02:48:36,960 complaint than it would for the Costes app 1684 02:48:36,960 --> 02:48:37,950 coming in. 1685 02:48:37,950 --> 02:48:40,330 So those would be my comments, I just wanted to 1686 02:48:40,330 --> 02:48:45,080 add to that. 1687 02:48:45,080 --> 02:48:48,790 Other speakers in this matter? 1688 02:48:48,790 --> 02:48:51,070 Keep seeing none, the item forces, the committee 1689 02:48:51,070 --> 02:49:05,540 's recommendation will open that for voting. 1690 02:49:05,540 --> 02:49:10,750 and the vote motion carries 13 to one. 1691 02:49:10,750 --> 02:49:12,840 - Councillor Layman. 1692 02:49:12,840 --> 02:49:14,720 - Mayor, I'll put item number six. 1693 02:49:14,720 --> 02:49:18,240 This is regarding 221 Queen's Ave on the floor. 1694 02:49:18,240 --> 02:49:20,510 This was requested to be pulled by Councillor Tro 1695 02:49:20,510 --> 02:49:22,480 so. 1696 02:49:22,480 --> 02:49:24,500 Okay, that item is on the floor. 1697 02:49:24,500 --> 02:49:26,670 I looked any speakers. 1698 02:49:26,670 --> 02:49:29,640 Go ahead, Councillor Troso. 1699 02:49:29,640 --> 02:49:32,810 - Again, in the interest of time to the Mayor, 1700 02:49:32,810 --> 02:49:37,190 I made some rather long comments about this at 1701 02:49:37,190 --> 02:49:37,940 the committee. 1702 02:49:37,940 --> 02:49:39,150 I cannot support this. 1703 02:49:39,150 --> 02:49:42,670 I cannot, I cannot support another temporary, 1704 02:49:42,670 --> 02:49:45,760 temporary extension. 1705 02:49:45,760 --> 02:49:50,180 And I believe that the staff report had it right. 1706 02:49:50,180 --> 02:49:52,050 And I don't think it's really appropriate for us 1707 02:49:52,050 --> 02:49:54,670 to get into a discussion about whether we like 1708 02:49:54,670 --> 02:49:55,800 the applicant 1709 02:49:55,800 --> 02:49:59,300 or not, that's not a land use consideration. 1710 02:49:59,300 --> 02:50:04,200 So I really think it's time for us to say 1711 02:50:04,200 --> 02:50:06,240 to this property owner with respect to this 1712 02:50:06,240 --> 02:50:06,730 parcel, 1713 02:50:06,730 --> 02:50:09,070 but it's time to move on and do some housing 1714 02:50:09,070 --> 02:50:09,990 development. 1715 02:50:09,990 --> 02:50:11,340 Perfect place for it. 1716 02:50:11,340 --> 02:50:13,450 And that's why I'll be voting no on this item. 1717 02:50:13,450 --> 02:50:15,890 Thank you. 1718 02:50:15,890 --> 02:50:20,940 speakers. Go ahead, Councillor Preble. Thank you. 1719 02:50:20,940 --> 02:50:23,480 I will certainly be supporting the recommendation 1720 02:50:23,480 --> 02:50:26,390 of the committee. The applicant, the owner of the 1721 02:50:26,390 --> 02:50:29,200 property of the parking lot was very clear 1722 02:50:29,200 --> 02:50:32,250 in terms of the need, need for their current 1723 02:50:32,250 --> 02:50:35,840 tenants that they have and in terms of the safe 1724 02:50:35,840 --> 02:50:39,160 nearby parking. And as we all know, this 1725 02:50:39,160 --> 02:50:44,660 developer certainly is or does develop in the 1726 02:50:44,660 --> 02:50:45,130 various 1727 02:50:45,130 --> 02:50:48,140 properties downtown London or throughout London 1728 02:50:48,140 --> 02:50:50,180 so I will be supporting it based on the facts 1729 02:50:50,180 --> 02:50:53,410 that this parking lot is needed and for the 1730 02:50:53,410 --> 02:50:57,200 current and as you know the situation downtown 1731 02:50:57,200 --> 02:50:59,840 with our vacancy rate I think that we should be 1732 02:50:59,840 --> 02:51:02,760 working in terms of increasing our economic 1733 02:51:02,760 --> 02:51:05,460 growth not decreasing and therefore I'm going to 1734 02:51:05,460 --> 02:51:07,850 support this it does make sense in this case 1735 02:51:07,850 --> 02:51:10,640 to support this parking lot absolutely thank you. 1736 02:51:10,640 --> 02:51:13,850 Okay thank you I have just you know that I've 1737 02:51:13,850 --> 02:51:16,280 I've got you on the list, Louis, Frank, and Ferre 1738 02:51:16,280 --> 02:51:16,960 ira. 1739 02:51:16,960 --> 02:51:20,430 Go to Jeopardy, where Louis first. 1740 02:51:20,430 --> 02:51:21,230 - Thank you, Chair. 1741 02:51:21,230 --> 02:51:24,470 And through you, I'm absolutely supporting 1742 02:51:24,470 --> 02:51:26,030 the committee recommendation. 1743 02:51:26,030 --> 02:51:28,950 I moved it at committee and I'm gonna be blunt. 1744 02:51:28,950 --> 02:51:30,790 First of all, we can't tell the applicant 1745 02:51:30,790 --> 02:51:33,100 to move on and build housing. 1746 02:51:33,100 --> 02:51:36,620 The property isn't actually zoned for residential 1747 02:51:36,620 --> 02:51:37,320 use, 1748 02:51:37,320 --> 02:51:38,130 moving forward. 1749 02:51:38,130 --> 02:51:41,480 So what we would have is a vacant piece of land. 1750 02:51:41,480 --> 02:51:46,090 These are fully leased spots that serve tenants 1751 02:51:46,090 --> 02:51:50,820 in existing downtown commercial office buildings. 1752 02:51:50,820 --> 02:51:52,680 Without these spots, 1753 02:51:52,680 --> 02:51:56,740 the landlord would be in breach of lease 1754 02:51:56,740 --> 02:51:59,160 and potentially could see early termination of 1755 02:51:59,160 --> 02:52:00,130 leases 1756 02:52:00,130 --> 02:52:03,440 and have tenants vacating the downtown floor 1757 02:52:03,440 --> 02:52:05,410 and increasing commercial vacancy. 1758 02:52:05,410 --> 02:52:10,110 And in addition to that, 1759 02:52:10,110 --> 02:52:13,750 we hear it's temporary, it's temporary. 1760 02:52:13,750 --> 02:52:17,770 Yes, it's an extension of another temporary use. 1761 02:52:17,770 --> 02:52:20,030 If we look back at some of our own municipal 1762 02:52:20,030 --> 02:52:20,660 plans, 1763 02:52:20,660 --> 02:52:22,020 By this point in time, 1764 02:52:22,020 --> 02:52:24,810 we should have multiple downtown parking garages 1765 02:52:24,810 --> 02:52:26,180 that have not materialized. 1766 02:52:26,180 --> 02:52:29,290 We still have a parking problem in downtown 1767 02:52:29,290 --> 02:52:29,990 London 1768 02:52:29,990 --> 02:52:32,070 and we are not going to see surface lots 1769 02:52:32,070 --> 02:52:33,140 disappear 1770 02:52:33,140 --> 02:52:34,760 until we see something develop 1771 02:52:34,760 --> 02:52:37,210 around the development of a parking garage. 1772 02:52:37,210 --> 02:52:40,640 So I strongly encourage colleagues 1773 02:52:40,640 --> 02:52:45,140 to not increase commercial vacancy, 1774 02:52:45,140 --> 02:52:48,110 to not presume that this could be turned into 1775 02:52:48,110 --> 02:52:48,890 housing 1776 02:52:48,890 --> 02:52:51,480 because it's not even zoned for that use 1777 02:52:51,480 --> 02:52:52,700 currently. 1778 02:52:52,700 --> 02:52:54,980 So it would have to go through a rezoning 1779 02:52:54,980 --> 02:52:57,240 before that could even be considered. 1780 02:52:57,240 --> 02:52:58,530 The applicants made it very clear 1781 02:52:58,530 --> 02:53:00,560 that they're not interested in doing that right 1782 02:53:00,560 --> 02:53:00,950 now. 1783 02:53:00,950 --> 02:53:02,030 And so we should be supporting 1784 02:53:02,030 --> 02:53:06,260 this committee's recommendation. 1785 02:53:06,260 --> 02:53:08,850 - That's our prayer. 1786 02:53:08,850 --> 02:53:10,200 - Thanks, Mayor. 1787 02:53:10,200 --> 02:53:12,650 Just listening to the conversation, I just wanna 1788 02:53:12,650 --> 02:53:12,920 add, 1789 02:53:12,920 --> 02:53:15,280 I feel like we should be pragmatic 1790 02:53:15,280 --> 02:53:17,960 in kind of how we approach this. 1791 02:53:17,960 --> 02:53:21,140 Like I understand Council Troso's sentiments. 1792 02:53:21,140 --> 02:53:23,570 I don't wanna see parking surface love lots 1793 02:53:23,570 --> 02:53:23,980 either. 1794 02:53:23,980 --> 02:53:25,540 However, at the same time, 1795 02:53:25,540 --> 02:53:27,210 I think the discussion should be about 1796 02:53:27,210 --> 02:53:31,780 what can we do to discuss with the owner of 1797 02:53:31,780 --> 02:53:32,180 future work? 1798 02:53:32,180 --> 02:53:34,250 And I think that's gonna take some time, 1799 02:53:34,250 --> 02:53:35,910 but I think we should start doing that. 1800 02:53:35,910 --> 02:53:38,350 We had a parking strategy. 1801 02:53:38,350 --> 02:53:41,420 I agree with Councillor Lewis' comments. 1802 02:53:41,420 --> 02:53:44,690 We do need to figure out how it is 1803 02:53:44,690 --> 02:53:46,120 we're gonna accommodate certain parking 1804 02:53:46,120 --> 02:53:47,670 and I feel like building structures 1805 02:53:47,670 --> 02:53:50,330 or mixed use developments would help us in that. 1806 02:53:50,330 --> 02:53:52,530 But supporting three years for this 1807 02:53:52,530 --> 02:53:54,180 is something that I would do now, 1808 02:53:54,180 --> 02:53:56,250 but I think the conversation should be about what 1809 02:53:56,250 --> 02:53:57,320 do we do 1810 02:53:57,320 --> 02:53:59,520 when that three years comes to an end? 1811 02:53:59,520 --> 02:54:02,380 Are we able to potentially work with the owner 1812 02:54:02,380 --> 02:54:02,600 here 1813 02:54:02,600 --> 02:54:03,760 and see if we can find a solution 1814 02:54:03,760 --> 02:54:05,490 so we don't have to have an extension on the next 1815 02:54:05,490 --> 02:54:06,390 three years? 1816 02:54:06,390 --> 02:54:10,130 So right now, I am gonna support it, 1817 02:54:10,130 --> 02:54:12,170 but I think the conversation really should be 1818 02:54:12,170 --> 02:54:12,800 about 1819 02:54:12,800 --> 02:54:14,510 what's next after the three years. 1820 02:54:14,510 --> 02:54:16,700 So we don't come up to this situation again in 1821 02:54:16,700 --> 02:54:17,130 three years 1822 02:54:17,130 --> 02:54:18,320 and talk about extending it again. 1823 02:54:18,320 --> 02:54:20,040 I think that there's good use here, 1824 02:54:20,040 --> 02:54:22,220 and I really think that there's some interest 1825 02:54:22,220 --> 02:54:24,890 to obviously, you know, create a better way 1826 02:54:24,890 --> 02:54:26,850 of how we accommodate parking in the downtown 1827 02:54:26,850 --> 02:54:32,540 court. 1828 02:54:32,540 --> 02:54:35,330 - Okay, Councilor Cady. 1829 02:54:35,330 --> 02:54:38,290 - Thank you, Your Worship, and through you. 1830 02:54:38,290 --> 02:54:40,230 The applicant, if they thought they could fill a 1831 02:54:40,230 --> 02:54:40,630 building, 1832 02:54:40,630 --> 02:54:41,810 they would put a building up. 1833 02:54:41,810 --> 02:54:43,930 These are one of the leading developers and 1834 02:54:43,930 --> 02:54:44,310 builders 1835 02:54:44,310 --> 02:54:47,390 in our city, and they have been for 50, 60 years. 1836 02:54:47,390 --> 02:54:49,730 So not to repeat anything that's already been 1837 02:54:49,730 --> 02:54:49,880 said 1838 02:54:49,880 --> 02:54:52,370 by Deputy Mayor Lewis or others. 1839 02:54:52,370 --> 02:54:54,680 I would strongly recommend and encourage my 1840 02:54:54,680 --> 02:54:55,110 colleagues 1841 02:54:55,110 --> 02:54:56,260 to support this. 1842 02:54:56,260 --> 02:54:59,510 I don't disagree with what Councilor Ferra said. 1843 02:54:59,510 --> 02:55:00,920 would be nice to know in the next three years 1844 02:55:00,920 --> 02:55:02,360 what their plans are and I have no 1845 02:55:02,360 --> 02:55:05,430 doubt I've no doubt at all that they will tell us 1846 02:55:05,430 --> 02:55:07,080 what their plans are they'll 1847 02:55:07,080 --> 02:55:08,820 telegraph them fairly quickly because they'll 1848 02:55:08,820 --> 02:55:09,960 understand when the economy is 1849 02:55:09,960 --> 02:55:11,300 changing when there's an opportunity to fill 1850 02:55:11,300 --> 02:55:12,840 buildings I'm sure they will build 1851 02:55:12,840 --> 02:55:17,510 them so thank you okay any other speakers on this 1852 02:55:17,510 --> 02:55:20,560 one okay seeing none we're 1853 02:55:20,560 --> 02:55:26,210 gonna open it for voting me oh sorry stop I see 1854 02:55:26,210 --> 02:55:27,050 councilor blows his hand up 1855 02:55:27,050 --> 02:55:29,040 so we won't vote yet you can go ahead and speak 1856 02:55:29,040 --> 02:55:31,100 that's okay certainly not 1857 02:55:31,100 --> 02:55:34,770 anticipating to sway any votes here I think that 1858 02:55:34,770 --> 02:55:35,580 's the issue that we've always 1859 02:55:35,580 --> 02:55:38,800 had we don't want to see vacant property going on 1860 02:55:38,800 --> 02:55:41,700 use parking is a use but I think 1861 02:55:41,700 --> 02:55:43,440 that's a conversation that's probably been had 1862 02:55:43,440 --> 02:55:44,430 around this very horseshoe for 1863 02:55:44,430 --> 02:55:48,250 31 years of looking forward to a plan coming and 1864 02:55:48,250 --> 02:55:50,490 at some point either we just 1865 02:55:50,490 --> 02:55:53,440 stop with temporary and let it be permanent or we 1866 02:55:53,440 --> 02:55:54,700 actually look for that 1867 02:55:54,700 --> 02:55:57,720 application I think that's just my standing 1868 02:55:57,720 --> 02:55:59,860 feeling about these temporary 1869 02:55:59,860 --> 02:56:02,830 parking lots that we've seen across the core 1870 02:56:02,830 --> 02:56:04,550 throughout my term on council and 1871 02:56:04,550 --> 02:56:10,320 this report cites 31 years for some potentially 1872 02:56:10,320 --> 02:56:11,700 on council that's almost 1873 02:56:11,700 --> 02:56:18,860 their entire lifetime. Thank you. Seeing no other 1874 02:56:18,860 --> 02:56:20,100 speakers for now can open it 1875 02:56:20,100 --> 02:56:39,450 for voting. Thank you for closing the vote. 1876 02:56:39,450 --> 02:56:41,330 Motion carries 10 to 3. Noting 1877 02:56:41,330 --> 02:56:50,300 Councilor McAllister has left the meeting. Turn 1878 02:56:50,300 --> 02:56:50,970 back to Councilor Lehman. 1879 02:56:50,970 --> 02:56:55,080 Thank you Mayor. I'll put number 7 regarding 1057 1880 02:56:55,080 --> 02:56:56,870 to 1061 Richmond Street. 1881 02:56:56,870 --> 02:56:59,810 on the floor. This was requested to be pulled by 1882 02:56:59,810 --> 02:57:04,090 Council Raman. Okay, that is on 1883 02:57:04,090 --> 02:57:06,120 the floor. I look to speakers. Go ahead, Council 1884 02:57:06,120 --> 02:57:09,050 Raman. Thank you and through you. 1885 02:57:09,050 --> 02:57:13,410 I'd like to put forward an amendment that I have 1886 02:57:13,410 --> 02:57:14,840 circulated and I 1887 02:57:14,840 --> 02:57:17,160 apologize to my colleagues for the late 1888 02:57:17,160 --> 02:57:19,380 circulation, but I understand that the 1889 02:57:19,380 --> 02:57:22,920 developer did also circulate a letter regarding 1890 02:57:22,920 --> 02:57:25,290 my amendment. So the 1891 02:57:25,290 --> 02:57:27,040 amendment that I'm looking to introduce, would 1892 02:57:27,040 --> 02:57:29,170 you like me to read it? Yes, please. 1893 02:57:29,170 --> 02:57:33,320 And I'll just confirm with staff that it's the 1894 02:57:33,320 --> 02:57:36,200 alternative recommendation that I shared. 1895 02:57:36,200 --> 02:57:38,610 And so with that, it starts with not withstanding 1896 02:57:38,610 --> 02:57:40,590 the recommendation, the Director of Planning 1897 02:57:40,590 --> 02:57:42,550 and Development, the following actions be taken 1898 02:57:42,550 --> 02:57:44,220 with respect to the application of 1899 02:57:44,220 --> 02:57:48,850 100, 144, 36, 158, Ontario, Inc., Royal Premier 1900 02:57:48,850 --> 02:57:51,660 Homes, related to the property located at 1901 02:57:51,660 --> 02:57:55,200 1057, 1061 Richmond Street, the proposed 1902 02:57:55,200 --> 02:57:57,820 alternate bylaw attached here to as Appendix 1903 02:57:57,820 --> 02:58:00,610 be introduced at the Municipal Council meeting 1904 02:58:00,610 --> 02:58:02,850 June 23rd, 2026 to amend zoning 1905 02:58:02,850 --> 02:58:07,020 by-law number Z1 in the Municipal Council meeting 1906 02:58:07,020 --> 02:58:09,710 June 23rd, 2026. Sorry. 1907 02:58:09,710 --> 02:58:12,120 In conformity with the Official Plan, the London 1908 02:58:12,120 --> 02:58:13,340 Plan to change the zoning of the 1909 02:58:13,340 --> 02:58:15,890 subject property from a neighborhood facility 1910 02:58:15,890 --> 02:58:19,330 special provision bonus and F-114B-24 1911 02:58:19,330 --> 02:58:21,670 zone to a neighborhood facility special provision 1912 02:58:21,670 --> 02:58:24,710 14 zone and be it further 1913 02:58:24,710 --> 02:58:28,260 result that pursuant to subsection 3417 of the 1914 02:58:28,260 --> 02:58:29,320 Planning Act to know for their 1915 02:58:29,320 --> 02:58:31,650 notice be given, it being noted that the above 1916 02:58:31,650 --> 02:58:32,910 noted amendment is being 1917 02:58:32,910 --> 02:58:35,650 recommended for the following reasons. I the 1918 02:58:35,650 --> 02:58:38,060 recommended amendment is consistent 1919 02:58:38,060 --> 02:58:41,200 with the PPS 2024 to the recommended amendment 1920 02:58:41,200 --> 02:58:42,780 conforms to the London Plan 1921 02:58:42,780 --> 02:58:45,170 including but not limited to the key direction 1922 02:58:45,170 --> 02:58:46,750 city building policies and the 1923 02:58:46,750 --> 02:58:50,190 urban corridor place type policies and three the 1924 02:58:50,190 --> 02:58:52,620 recommendation amendment 1925 02:58:52,620 --> 02:58:54,810 and facilitates residential intensification 1926 02:58:54,810 --> 02:58:56,530 that is appropriate for the existing 1927 02:58:56,530 --> 02:58:59,330 and planned context of the site and surrounding 1928 02:58:59,330 --> 02:59:00,200 neighborhood. 1929 02:59:00,200 --> 02:59:05,350 I've included an update to the by-law, 1930 02:59:05,350 --> 02:59:08,040 and so that is prepared and ready. 1931 02:59:08,040 --> 02:59:12,850 That includes in it two additional components 1932 02:59:12,850 --> 02:59:15,790 that are under XII and XIV. 1933 02:59:15,790 --> 02:59:18,530 The first one is maximum number of bedrooms 1934 02:59:18,530 --> 02:59:20,970 were per dwelling unit at three 1935 02:59:20,970 --> 02:59:23,480 and XIV maximum number of bedrooms on the 1936 02:59:23,480 --> 02:59:28,110 property at 35. 1937 02:59:28,110 --> 02:59:30,780 - Okay, so I need to look for a seconder. 1938 02:59:30,780 --> 02:59:33,150 Deputy Mayor, I assume you're not looking to 1939 02:59:33,150 --> 02:59:34,410 second. 1940 02:59:34,410 --> 02:59:37,260 - No, actually, I'm gonna call a point of order, 1941 02:59:37,260 --> 02:59:38,570 Mr. Chair. 1942 02:59:38,570 --> 02:59:41,390 In my opinion, this amendment is out of order. 1943 02:59:41,390 --> 02:59:44,300 It's substantively alters the committee 1944 02:59:44,300 --> 02:59:45,960 recommendation 1945 02:59:45,960 --> 02:59:50,840 by imposing caps that are not something 1946 02:59:50,840 --> 02:59:52,950 that was in the staff recommendation, 1947 02:59:52,950 --> 02:59:55,910 as was indicated by the communication 1948 02:59:55,910 --> 02:59:57,610 where it received from the applicant. 1949 02:59:57,610 --> 03:00:00,630 It would halt to the development, not approve it, 1950 03:00:00,630 --> 03:00:02,310 would force them to go back, 1951 03:00:02,310 --> 03:00:05,330 it would also potentially result in an OLT appeal 1952 03:00:05,330 --> 03:00:05,430 . 1953 03:00:05,330 --> 03:00:08,350 I think this is a substantive change 1954 03:00:08,350 --> 03:00:12,130 and contrary to the committee's recommendation. 1955 03:00:12,130 --> 03:00:13,210 - Okay, so that's a point of order. 1956 03:00:13,210 --> 03:01:25,280 I'm just gonna need a second on that one. 1957 03:01:25,280 --> 03:01:29,610 So point of order was essentially not to allow 1958 03:01:29,610 --> 03:01:32,100 the amendment 1959 03:01:32,100 --> 03:01:36,270 because the councilor felt it was contrary 1960 03:01:36,270 --> 03:01:40,990 to the planning committee's recommendation. 1961 03:01:40,990 --> 03:01:44,170 So my ruling on this after consultation with the 1962 03:01:44,170 --> 03:01:44,630 clerks 1963 03:01:44,630 --> 03:01:47,570 is that although it could be substantially 1964 03:01:47,570 --> 03:01:48,710 different, 1965 03:01:48,710 --> 03:01:50,260 I don't believe it is contrary, 1966 03:01:50,260 --> 03:01:52,520 even if it does have significant consequences 1967 03:01:52,520 --> 03:01:53,750 for the developer. 1968 03:01:53,750 --> 03:01:56,310 So I'm gonna let the amendment proceed as an 1969 03:01:56,310 --> 03:01:56,810 amendment 1970 03:01:56,810 --> 03:01:58,320 based on the advice of the clerks. 1971 03:01:58,320 --> 03:02:00,260 And it is my decision, but that's what I'm going 1972 03:02:00,260 --> 03:02:01,980 to decide. 1973 03:02:01,980 --> 03:02:03,700 And certainly we can have a debate on the 1974 03:02:03,700 --> 03:02:04,210 amendment. 1975 03:02:04,210 --> 03:02:05,030 Should that fail? 1976 03:02:05,030 --> 03:02:06,590 We'll have a debate on it. 1977 03:02:06,590 --> 03:02:08,320 respectfully your worship I'm going to challenge 1978 03:02:08,320 --> 03:02:10,990 the chairs ruling that as I expected you would so 1979 03:02:10,990 --> 03:02:13,800 All right, so we'll do a challenge of the chair. 1980 03:02:13,800 --> 03:02:15,640 So my ruling is that 1981 03:02:15,640 --> 03:02:20,370 The amendment is allowed. So there will be a vote 1982 03:02:20,370 --> 03:02:22,330 and that is 1983 03:02:22,330 --> 03:02:25,200 Basically should the essentially is should the 1984 03:02:25,200 --> 03:02:26,630 ruling of the chair be upheld 1985 03:02:26,630 --> 03:02:28,940 So you vote yes, you agree with me that the 1986 03:02:28,940 --> 03:02:31,450 amendment can stand you vote no 1987 03:02:31,450 --> 03:02:34,330 Then what we will do is 1988 03:02:34,410 --> 03:02:36,990 the amendment will not stand and the motion would 1989 03:02:36,990 --> 03:02:39,630 have to be defeated first for Councillor 1990 03:02:39,630 --> 03:02:42,470 to introduce the alternate. So but the but the 1991 03:02:42,470 --> 03:02:47,390 decision that we'll make now, not debatable, 1992 03:02:47,390 --> 03:02:50,100 is does Council support the decision I made to 1993 03:02:50,100 --> 03:02:53,060 allow the amendment to stand? Okay, so we're 1994 03:02:53,060 --> 03:02:55,590 going to put that on. Yes, is you agree with me? 1995 03:02:55,590 --> 03:02:59,330 I know as you disagree with my ruling. Okay, 1996 03:02:59,330 --> 03:03:14,570 we'll open that for voting. Closing the vote. The 1997 03:03:14,570 --> 03:03:16,890 challenge of the chair is successful. The ruling 1998 03:03:16,890 --> 03:03:19,480 of the chair is not sustained in a vote of five 1999 03:03:19,480 --> 03:03:20,530 to eight. 2000 03:03:20,530 --> 03:03:22,380 - Okay, and by the way, I take no offense 2001 03:03:22,380 --> 03:03:24,350 to that, it's a decision-making mechanism. 2002 03:03:24,350 --> 03:03:26,360 So that means council has decided 2003 03:03:26,360 --> 03:03:30,720 that the amendment will not be allowed. 2004 03:03:30,720 --> 03:03:33,560 So to make your amendment councilor, 2005 03:03:33,560 --> 03:03:36,360 we would have to defeat the committee's 2006 03:03:36,360 --> 03:03:37,310 recommendation 2007 03:03:37,310 --> 03:03:39,380 and then we could proceed with an alternate. 2008 03:03:39,380 --> 03:03:41,140 So that would be the pathway before us. 2009 03:03:41,140 --> 03:03:44,110 So I will, so what we're on is the committee 2010 03:03:44,110 --> 03:03:44,600 chair 2011 03:03:44,600 --> 03:03:48,200 presenting these committee's recommendation. 2012 03:03:48,200 --> 03:03:51,520 All you did was rise and propose an amendment. 2013 03:03:51,520 --> 03:03:54,010 So I'm gonna allow you to still have the right 2014 03:03:54,010 --> 03:03:55,390 to speak to the main motion. 2015 03:03:55,390 --> 03:03:57,130 You don't have to do that now, you can do it 2016 03:03:57,130 --> 03:03:57,230 later, 2017 03:03:57,160 --> 03:04:02,110 or you can do it now, but that's where we are. 2018 03:04:02,110 --> 03:04:06,740 Oh, okay, Clerk says you should speak now 2019 03:04:06,740 --> 03:04:08,690 'cause he already rose and on the speaker's list, 2020 03:04:08,690 --> 03:04:14,370 so we're gonna do that. 2021 03:04:14,370 --> 03:04:17,630 - Through you, thank you. 2022 03:04:17,630 --> 03:04:19,760 I will start by asking my colleagues 2023 03:04:19,760 --> 03:04:22,010 not to support the recommendation 2024 03:04:22,010 --> 03:04:24,660 that's on the floor from planning today. 2025 03:04:24,660 --> 03:04:27,170 And the reason for that, I think, 2026 03:04:27,170 --> 03:04:30,700 well articulated in the sum of the letters 2027 03:04:30,700 --> 03:04:35,420 submitted, including the one from Mr. Barrett 2028 03:04:35,420 --> 03:04:40,660 and Ms. Smoot. In that letter, you'll see a 2029 03:04:40,660 --> 03:04:45,040 summary of the reasons why the alternative 2030 03:04:45,040 --> 03:04:49,860 recommendation should this motion fail, of which 2031 03:04:49,860 --> 03:04:53,470 I would like to move or someone else 2032 03:04:53,470 --> 03:04:58,390 to move to limit the bedrooms would be an 2033 03:04:58,390 --> 03:05:03,630 important consideration. So in this 2034 03:05:03,630 --> 03:05:07,160 summary that's provided it's explained that the 2035 03:05:07,160 --> 03:05:09,170 policy context and the planning 2036 03:05:09,170 --> 03:05:11,950 framework has not substantially changed since 2037 03:05:11,950 --> 03:05:14,020 Council first considered the 2038 03:05:14,020 --> 03:05:16,650 adaptive reuse and intensification of this 2039 03:05:16,650 --> 03:05:19,700 property. As we know from this 2040 03:05:19,700 --> 03:05:23,460 discussion, this item went to the OLT OMB at the 2041 03:05:23,460 --> 03:05:25,990 time in 2013, and it determined that 2042 03:05:25,990 --> 03:05:29,190 the appropriate level of intensification of this 2043 03:05:29,190 --> 03:05:31,560 particular building was nine dwelling 2044 03:05:31,560 --> 03:05:34,780 units with a total of 27 bedrooms. 2045 03:05:34,780 --> 03:05:38,370 What we have here today is 17 units for 2046 03:05:38,370 --> 03:05:39,920 discussion. 2047 03:05:39,920 --> 03:05:43,490 What I'm proposing as an alternative is yes, keep 2048 03:05:43,490 --> 03:05:47,380 the 17 units, but limit the bedroom count. 2049 03:05:47,380 --> 03:05:50,330 The bedroom count would be limited by what we 2050 03:05:50,330 --> 03:05:56,050 heard in the room at PEC during the conversation 2051 03:05:56,050 --> 03:06:00,140 provided by the planning consultant Mike Davis. 2052 03:06:00,140 --> 03:06:04,570 So the amendment would conform with the verbal 2053 03:06:04,570 --> 03:06:10,090 commitment given by the planning consultant. 2054 03:06:10,090 --> 03:06:13,520 That was three bedrooms on the nine already 2055 03:06:13,520 --> 03:06:16,990 constructed units and in the basement and 2056 03:06:16,990 --> 03:06:21,440 Yes, the basement, one bedroom or studios 2057 03:06:21,440 --> 03:06:24,180 in the remaining eight units. 2058 03:06:24,180 --> 03:06:27,050 So you have residents of the area 2059 03:06:27,050 --> 03:06:29,990 who've had a chance to tour this particular 2060 03:06:29,990 --> 03:06:30,490 building 2061 03:06:30,490 --> 03:06:34,210 since it has been constructed. 2062 03:06:34,210 --> 03:06:37,410 And they've given their feedback as well 2063 03:06:37,410 --> 03:06:39,420 and shared that in your submissions. 2064 03:06:39,420 --> 03:06:44,130 But you'll also see again in this summary 2065 03:06:44,130 --> 03:06:48,800 that this is a reasonable opportunity 2066 03:06:48,800 --> 03:06:52,710 to have a conversation around the kind of bedroom 2067 03:06:52,710 --> 03:06:54,250 count 2068 03:06:54,250 --> 03:06:57,730 that should be in a unit, in a development like 2069 03:06:57,730 --> 03:06:58,660 this. 2070 03:06:58,660 --> 03:07:00,970 The interesting thing about this proposal in 2071 03:07:00,970 --> 03:07:01,720 front of us 2072 03:07:01,720 --> 03:07:03,500 is we can't see anything. 2073 03:07:03,500 --> 03:07:07,340 So we have to take into account what we heard in 2074 03:07:07,340 --> 03:07:08,420 the meeting. 2075 03:07:08,420 --> 03:07:12,260 What we heard in the meeting was a commitment 2076 03:07:12,260 --> 03:07:14,920 that the three bedrooms, which are already 2077 03:07:14,920 --> 03:07:15,760 constructed 2078 03:07:15,760 --> 03:07:17,890 in those nine units should stand, 2079 03:07:17,890 --> 03:07:20,740 and that the remaining makeup of the building 2080 03:07:20,740 --> 03:07:23,820 should be one bedroom in studios. 2081 03:07:23,820 --> 03:07:27,080 So I asked this question yesterday at planning as 2082 03:07:27,080 --> 03:07:28,020 well. 2083 03:07:28,020 --> 03:07:31,190 What happens when we hear from a planner, 2084 03:07:31,190 --> 03:07:34,120 a planning consultant, or the developer 2085 03:07:34,120 --> 03:07:38,490 during a public meeting on an application? 2086 03:07:38,490 --> 03:07:41,090 The feedback that we heard, what we heard during 2087 03:07:41,090 --> 03:07:41,760 that debate, 2088 03:07:41,760 --> 03:07:45,030 I asked the question, what's the bedroom makeup? 2089 03:07:45,030 --> 03:07:47,490 And I brought the amendment based on that. 2090 03:07:47,490 --> 03:07:50,100 only to then receive communication from the 2091 03:07:50,100 --> 03:07:51,090 developer 2092 03:07:51,090 --> 03:07:54,800 not to constrain the plan by having bedroom 2093 03:07:54,800 --> 03:07:56,100 limits. 2094 03:07:56,100 --> 03:07:58,060 But I thought that was going to be the bedroom 2095 03:07:58,060 --> 03:07:58,800 makeup. 2096 03:07:58,800 --> 03:08:02,560 Do we know what we're agreeing to otherwise? 2097 03:08:02,560 --> 03:08:04,850 So this is my concern. 2098 03:08:04,850 --> 03:08:07,560 In front of us, we have the opportunity to make a 2099 03:08:07,560 --> 03:08:09,010 decision 2100 03:08:09,010 --> 03:08:11,300 that addresses some of the issues from the 2101 03:08:11,300 --> 03:08:12,550 neighborhood, 2102 03:08:12,550 --> 03:08:14,380 that addresses some of the concerns 2103 03:08:14,380 --> 03:08:16,860 with an under-parked property, 2104 03:08:16,860 --> 03:08:18,420 that addresses some of the concerns 2105 03:08:18,420 --> 03:08:22,110 about having units in a basement, 2106 03:08:22,110 --> 03:08:24,140 limiting the count on those units. 2107 03:08:24,140 --> 03:08:26,360 So I do think this is a viable way for us 2108 03:08:26,360 --> 03:08:27,550 to move this project forward. 2109 03:08:27,550 --> 03:08:29,890 I'm asking not to support what's on the floor 2110 03:08:29,890 --> 03:08:31,230 so that we can move the amendment, 2111 03:08:31,230 --> 03:08:33,790 or sorry that we can move an alternative motion. 2112 03:08:33,790 --> 03:08:36,320 Thank you. 2113 03:08:36,320 --> 03:08:37,230 - Okay, I'll look to other speakers 2114 03:08:37,230 --> 03:08:40,670 for the item on the floor. 2115 03:08:40,670 --> 03:08:42,790 Go ahead, Councillor Cuddy. 2116 03:08:42,790 --> 03:08:44,150 - Thank you, we're shipping through you. 2117 03:08:44,150 --> 03:08:47,190 And colleagues, if you had been at the Planning 2118 03:08:47,190 --> 03:08:47,530 Committee 2119 03:08:47,530 --> 03:08:52,220 meeting, I referenced a similar development 2120 03:08:52,220 --> 03:08:53,930 that we're seeing at the Robinson Church, 2121 03:08:53,930 --> 03:08:55,840 and that was Locustmont, 2122 03:08:55,840 --> 03:08:59,570 which was one of the oldest buildings in the city 2123 03:08:59,570 --> 03:08:59,670 , 2124 03:08:59,570 --> 03:09:01,710 which was raised to the ground. 2125 03:09:01,710 --> 03:09:04,250 Raised to the ground because someone went in 2126 03:09:04,250 --> 03:09:09,060 and lit a match and destroyed it. 2127 03:09:09,060 --> 03:09:10,520 And colleagues, it was raised to the ground 2128 03:09:10,520 --> 03:09:13,260 because no one cared about the building. 2129 03:09:13,260 --> 03:09:14,620 It was one of the most historic buildings 2130 03:09:14,620 --> 03:09:16,070 behind Eldon House in the city. 2131 03:09:16,070 --> 03:09:18,730 It was on Talbot Street. 2132 03:09:18,730 --> 03:09:21,020 Robinson Church is like that. 2133 03:09:21,020 --> 03:09:23,910 It's a historic building, 2134 03:09:23,910 --> 03:09:26,520 and the only way it can be preserved, 2135 03:09:26,520 --> 03:09:28,400 and it has not been preserved, well, by the way, 2136 03:09:28,400 --> 03:09:30,080 if you drive by and take a look at her, 2137 03:09:30,080 --> 03:09:32,120 you've been in the building. But the only way it 2138 03:09:32,120 --> 03:09:36,300 can be preserved is if it's developed. 2139 03:09:36,300 --> 03:09:39,100 The current owners of the building have taken the 2140 03:09:39,100 --> 03:09:42,990 time, spent the money, and the effort 2141 03:09:42,990 --> 03:09:46,100 to put a ring around it, security fence, and have 2142 03:09:46,100 --> 03:09:48,650 a 24-hour security guard there. They 2143 03:09:48,650 --> 03:09:50,750 are making every effort to preserve that building 2144 03:09:50,750 --> 03:09:53,260 . Yet, people have still gotten in there and 2145 03:09:53,260 --> 03:09:56,930 have still tried to burn it down. Now, I don't 2146 03:09:56,930 --> 03:09:58,310 understand the residents, and I've heard 2147 03:09:58,310 --> 03:10:00,910 them, and I've spoken to them. I don't understand 2148 03:10:00,910 --> 03:10:04,380 the residents' their concern. But colleagues, 2149 03:10:04,380 --> 03:10:06,880 If this building is not preserved, if it's not 2150 03:10:06,880 --> 03:10:10,430 developed, it will fall into a shampse 2151 03:10:10,430 --> 03:10:14,670 or even more it will burn to the ground. 2152 03:10:14,670 --> 03:10:17,490 What the developers have proposed, I think, at 2153 03:10:17,490 --> 03:10:19,510 least, and I think we all agreed that at 2154 03:10:19,510 --> 03:10:23,730 PAC, that this is a suitable arrangement for this 2155 03:10:23,730 --> 03:10:25,820 building. 2156 03:10:25,820 --> 03:10:29,770 This is a good project and it will preserve this 2157 03:10:29,770 --> 03:10:33,570 property for decades or longer. 2158 03:10:33,570 --> 03:10:35,630 So I would encourage you all to support the 2159 03:10:35,630 --> 03:10:38,620 planning decision and move ahead with this 2160 03:10:38,620 --> 03:10:39,580 development. 2161 03:10:39,580 --> 03:10:46,770 - I have Councillor, don't actually have a list. 2162 03:10:46,770 --> 03:10:57,220 Councillor Trosoff and then Stevenson. 2163 03:10:57,220 --> 03:11:00,700 - Thank you, thank you very much through the 2164 03:11:00,700 --> 03:11:02,440 Mayor. 2165 03:11:02,440 --> 03:11:05,310 I really wanted to see a compromise here. 2166 03:11:05,310 --> 03:11:08,650 Yes, this has fallen into disrepair. 2167 03:11:08,650 --> 03:11:11,670 Yes, the owner has been, the previous owners 2168 03:11:11,670 --> 03:11:14,770 have been negligent in allowing 2169 03:11:14,770 --> 03:11:16,950 what amounts to demolition by neglect. 2170 03:11:16,950 --> 03:11:20,670 And yes, there needs to be refurbishment 2171 03:11:20,670 --> 03:11:23,250 and development in this building. 2172 03:11:23,250 --> 03:11:24,970 no disagreement from me. 2173 03:11:24,970 --> 03:11:28,660 I go by it every day and I hear the complaints 2174 03:11:28,660 --> 03:11:30,570 from the adjacent residents 2175 03:11:30,570 --> 03:11:33,720 about the bad condition of this building. 2176 03:11:33,720 --> 03:11:39,510 However, that doesn't mean that I can support 2177 03:11:39,510 --> 03:11:42,870 a development that is not well thought out, 2178 03:11:42,870 --> 03:11:46,590 that is inappropriate and will cause substantial 2179 03:11:46,590 --> 03:11:47,890 hardship 2180 03:11:47,890 --> 03:11:50,940 to people, not only hardship to people on the 2181 03:11:50,940 --> 03:11:52,020 streets, 2182 03:11:52,020 --> 03:11:56,310 but a danger to the residents 2183 03:11:56,310 --> 03:11:58,630 from being crammed into a basement. 2184 03:11:58,630 --> 03:12:01,150 And I really think that this is the kind of 2185 03:12:01,150 --> 03:12:02,110 development 2186 03:12:02,110 --> 03:12:04,860 that we have to look at very carefully. 2187 03:12:04,860 --> 03:12:07,400 And we have to take into account first and 2188 03:12:07,400 --> 03:12:08,520 foremost 2189 03:12:08,520 --> 03:12:10,930 the nature of this building 2190 03:12:10,930 --> 03:12:14,590 and the nature of the stubbed street. 2191 03:12:14,590 --> 03:12:16,560 And I love the term stubbed street 2192 03:12:16,560 --> 03:12:18,720 because it is a stubbed street. 2193 03:12:18,720 --> 03:12:20,770 You turn down Sherwood, 2194 03:12:20,770 --> 03:12:22,530 you're gonna have a hard time getting out 2195 03:12:22,530 --> 03:12:24,350 'cause you're not going anywhere. 2196 03:12:24,350 --> 03:12:29,230 And I just think that the resonance of this block 2197 03:12:29,230 --> 03:12:31,730 have been very diligent over the years 2198 03:12:31,730 --> 03:12:34,260 in terms of trying to allow an appropriate level 2199 03:12:34,260 --> 03:12:37,860 of development without sort of overcharging 2200 03:12:37,860 --> 03:12:39,510 property. 2201 03:12:39,510 --> 03:12:43,370 This is what Councillor ramen has come forward 2202 03:12:43,370 --> 03:12:44,100 with 2203 03:12:44,100 --> 03:12:47,690 is a reasonable development that will allow 2204 03:12:47,690 --> 03:12:51,220 an appropriate development of this site 2205 03:12:51,220 --> 03:12:55,290 in a way that mitigates some of the harsh effects 2206 03:12:55,290 --> 03:13:02,360 that the, I think ill thought out proposal. 2207 03:13:02,360 --> 03:13:04,240 I mean, the question was asked at the planning 2208 03:13:04,240 --> 03:13:05,150 committee, 2209 03:13:05,150 --> 03:13:11,490 how many bedrooms are gonna be in this 2210 03:13:11,490 --> 03:13:14,150 You can't get a good answer. 2211 03:13:14,150 --> 03:13:16,100 And if we approve this, they can go to the next 2212 03:13:16,100 --> 03:13:17,560 stage 2213 03:13:17,560 --> 03:13:19,840 of getting a building permit. 2214 03:13:19,840 --> 03:13:21,600 No, there's something missing there. 2215 03:13:21,600 --> 03:13:22,980 There's something missing there. 2216 03:13:22,980 --> 03:13:27,100 I also feel, and I've really given this a lot of 2217 03:13:27,100 --> 03:13:27,420 thought, 2218 03:13:27,420 --> 03:13:31,240 I do think that the OMB decision, 2219 03:13:31,240 --> 03:13:34,220 albeit more than a few years old, 2220 03:13:34,220 --> 03:13:36,790 is still a viable decision. 2221 03:13:36,790 --> 03:13:40,380 There's really nothing about this street 2222 03:13:40,380 --> 03:13:43,870 or this property that's changed. 2223 03:13:43,870 --> 03:13:50,290 And I went through Mr. Barrett's detailed letter 2224 03:13:50,290 --> 03:13:51,770 very carefully. 2225 03:13:51,770 --> 03:13:55,620 And I think all of his points are well taken. 2226 03:13:55,620 --> 03:13:58,110 So I'll be joining Councillor Ramen 2227 03:13:58,110 --> 03:14:01,700 in asking you to vote this down 2228 03:14:01,700 --> 03:14:04,230 at which point we can come back 2229 03:14:04,230 --> 03:14:05,850 and put something on the table 2230 03:14:05,850 --> 03:14:07,690 that is a reasonable compromise. 2231 03:14:07,690 --> 03:14:11,180 This is not a reasonable compromise. 2232 03:14:11,180 --> 03:14:15,290 So thank you very much. 2233 03:14:15,290 --> 03:14:19,250 - All right, Councillor Stevenson. 2234 03:14:19,250 --> 03:14:21,840 - Thank you. 2235 03:14:21,840 --> 03:14:24,830 It's not a compromise when the other party doesn 2236 03:14:24,830 --> 03:14:27,730 't agree. 2237 03:14:27,730 --> 03:14:32,980 And the people in my ward still are in despair 2238 03:14:32,980 --> 03:14:35,680 around the McCormick factory, where we did the 2239 03:14:35,680 --> 03:14:36,280 same thing. 2240 03:14:36,280 --> 03:14:38,220 We allowed the developer some parts, 2241 03:14:38,220 --> 03:14:40,150 but we wouldn't give them everything that they 2242 03:14:40,150 --> 03:14:40,480 wanted. 2243 03:14:40,480 --> 03:14:43,060 And then, they don't develop. 2244 03:14:43,060 --> 03:14:45,100 And then it falls into neglect. 2245 03:14:45,100 --> 03:14:46,840 And then the public's mad. 2246 03:14:46,840 --> 03:14:48,660 And rightfully so, I think. 2247 03:14:48,660 --> 03:14:52,160 Because if we can't make somebody do it, 2248 03:14:52,160 --> 03:14:54,920 so they're bringing us a development proposal 2249 03:14:54,920 --> 03:14:58,520 for a heritage church that's been sitting vacant 2250 03:14:58,520 --> 03:15:03,720 for 13 years that is susceptible to vandalism, 2251 03:15:03,720 --> 03:15:05,720 damage, fire, and neglect, and we're gonna lose 2252 03:15:05,720 --> 03:15:06,730 it. 2253 03:15:06,730 --> 03:15:10,980 They're willing to take over a heritage building 2254 03:15:10,980 --> 03:15:12,900 with all that that comes with, 2255 03:15:12,900 --> 03:15:15,390 with anybody who has a heritage building that 2256 03:15:15,390 --> 03:15:15,940 knows. 2257 03:15:15,940 --> 03:15:17,800 It's an experience. 2258 03:15:17,800 --> 03:15:19,840 They're willing to do it. 2259 03:15:19,840 --> 03:15:23,290 It's on Richmond Street. 2260 03:15:23,290 --> 03:15:26,480 And we're gonna try to tell them how they should 2261 03:15:26,480 --> 03:15:26,800 do it 2262 03:15:26,800 --> 03:15:29,200 and how many units, and we're gonna end up 2263 03:15:29,200 --> 03:15:30,760 getting nothing. 2264 03:15:30,760 --> 03:15:33,870 And it isn't about cow-towing to the developer. 2265 03:15:33,870 --> 03:15:36,170 It's about, we talk about trusting the experts 2266 03:15:36,170 --> 03:15:39,390 all the time. 2267 03:15:39,390 --> 03:15:42,010 Most of the developers want to build great 2268 03:15:42,010 --> 03:15:42,500 housing, 2269 03:15:42,500 --> 03:15:44,230 they want to meet the needs of Londoners, 2270 03:15:44,230 --> 03:15:45,990 they want to do these things. 2271 03:15:45,990 --> 03:15:49,860 This is an opportunity, and at the last minute, 2272 03:15:49,860 --> 03:15:52,200 try to say this is a compromise 2273 03:15:52,200 --> 03:15:55,390 when we just make changes at the last minute. 2274 03:15:55,390 --> 03:15:56,800 It just doesn't make any sense to me, 2275 03:15:56,800 --> 03:15:59,830 and it puts at risk that building, that location. 2276 03:15:59,830 --> 03:16:00,900 The other thing I want to say, 2277 03:16:00,900 --> 03:16:02,560 and I know this will be a little contentious, 2278 03:16:02,560 --> 03:16:04,920 but we're gonna talk about it a lot today I think 2279 03:16:04,920 --> 03:16:05,380 , 2280 03:16:05,380 --> 03:16:08,320 is that there is a growing perception 2281 03:16:08,320 --> 03:16:10,920 that different neighborhoods are treated 2282 03:16:10,920 --> 03:16:12,330 differently. 2283 03:16:12,330 --> 03:16:14,310 And so again, here we go again, 2284 03:16:14,310 --> 03:16:16,650 where the Western University near-campus 2285 03:16:16,650 --> 03:16:17,400 neighborhood 2286 03:16:17,400 --> 03:16:22,180 is being catered to according to... 2287 03:16:22,180 --> 03:16:23,620 No, but I'm just gonna say, 2288 03:16:23,620 --> 03:16:26,160 I said there's a perception. 2289 03:16:26,160 --> 03:16:28,160 - So, Councillor Troz, you gotta use your 2290 03:16:28,160 --> 03:16:29,250 microphone 2291 03:16:29,250 --> 03:16:31,160 point of personal privilege? 2292 03:16:31,160 --> 03:16:33,590 - Yes, on behalf of my ward, 2293 03:16:33,590 --> 03:16:34,950 and on behalf of my ward residents, 2294 03:16:34,950 --> 03:16:37,340 I really think that's a little insulting. 2295 03:16:37,340 --> 03:16:39,110 And I just think that she should moderate 2296 03:16:39,110 --> 03:16:43,600 her tone here, I think that whether or not you 2297 03:16:43,600 --> 03:16:44,000 agree 2298 03:16:44,000 --> 03:16:45,780 with the positions of the neighbors, 2299 03:16:45,780 --> 03:16:47,130 I'm arguing now, so I'll say. 2300 03:16:47,130 --> 03:16:48,200 - Okay, yeah, I don't argue. 2301 03:16:48,200 --> 03:16:53,710 So the language catering to is, 2302 03:16:53,710 --> 03:16:58,230 I mean, the council represents the area. 2303 03:16:58,230 --> 03:17:01,040 He represents constituents there. 2304 03:17:01,040 --> 03:17:04,530 We all, I think, I'll say to councilor Stevenson, 2305 03:17:04,530 --> 03:17:05,980 I think you can word that differently 2306 03:17:05,980 --> 03:17:06,920 and I would ask you to do that 2307 03:17:06,920 --> 03:17:09,220 for the remainder of your comments. 2308 03:17:09,220 --> 03:17:13,990 - Thank you, and I'm happy to do that. 2309 03:17:13,990 --> 03:17:17,570 This is, and I don't wanna argue the point either 2310 03:17:17,570 --> 03:17:17,670 , 2311 03:17:17,580 --> 03:17:19,630 but this is a very sort, what they call stubbed 2312 03:17:19,630 --> 03:17:20,120 street, 2313 03:17:20,120 --> 03:17:22,150 not concerned about through traffic flying 2314 03:17:22,150 --> 03:17:22,540 through. 2315 03:17:22,540 --> 03:17:24,520 We're gonna have several other developments 2316 03:17:24,520 --> 03:17:26,720 that we're gonna talk about shortly, 2317 03:17:26,720 --> 03:17:30,840 where residents are concerned about the intensity 2318 03:17:30,840 --> 03:17:30,940 , 2319 03:17:30,890 --> 03:17:35,080 the number of bedrooms, the traffic impacts, 2320 03:17:35,080 --> 03:17:38,260 and it just goes through. 2321 03:17:38,260 --> 03:17:40,210 And then there's other areas of the city 2322 03:17:40,210 --> 03:17:44,510 where staff say, we don't deem it's appropriate 2323 03:17:44,510 --> 03:17:45,090 here, 2324 03:17:45,090 --> 03:17:48,620 Some we do say it's appropriate. 2325 03:17:48,620 --> 03:17:49,920 I'm gonna talk about that later. 2326 03:17:49,920 --> 03:17:53,410 And here, we're being asked to try to impose 2327 03:17:53,410 --> 03:17:54,010 limits 2328 03:17:54,010 --> 03:17:57,310 in this particular spot, 2329 03:17:57,310 --> 03:17:59,960 but we're not gonna do it consistently in other 2330 03:17:59,960 --> 03:18:01,090 areas. 2331 03:18:01,090 --> 03:18:02,570 And I think that's an issue. 2332 03:18:02,570 --> 03:18:05,280 I think it's a growing sense of inequity 2333 03:18:05,280 --> 03:18:07,890 that there are certain sort of lower income, 2334 03:18:07,890 --> 03:18:08,840 lower status, 2335 03:18:08,840 --> 03:18:09,790 whatever you wanna call it, 2336 03:18:09,790 --> 03:18:11,630 people don't know people in a certain 2337 03:18:11,630 --> 03:18:12,370 neighborhood 2338 03:18:12,370 --> 03:18:16,740 and that they don't get the same consideration 2339 03:18:16,740 --> 03:18:18,040 from their elected council. 2340 03:18:18,040 --> 03:18:19,760 So that's a perception, I'm not saying it's a 2341 03:18:19,760 --> 03:18:19,960 reality, 2342 03:18:19,960 --> 03:18:22,360 but it's a growing perception. 2343 03:18:22,360 --> 03:18:24,510 And so I'm just gonna end on, 2344 03:18:24,510 --> 03:18:26,540 I fully, I'm gonna support this. 2345 03:18:26,540 --> 03:18:28,530 I appreciate the investment in our city 2346 03:18:28,530 --> 03:18:30,080 in that heritage property. 2347 03:18:30,080 --> 03:18:32,310 I think it's gonna be a beautiful place to live. 2348 03:18:32,310 --> 03:18:34,220 And I'm gonna trust the developer. 2349 03:18:34,220 --> 03:18:37,020 I hear that the basement has really nice big huge 2350 03:18:37,020 --> 03:18:37,960 windows. 2351 03:18:37,960 --> 03:18:40,150 I'm looking forward to seeing it when it's built, 2352 03:18:40,150 --> 03:18:43,570 and I'm happy to support it as is. 2353 03:18:43,570 --> 03:18:46,200 - Thank you Mayor Lewis. 2354 03:18:46,200 --> 03:18:48,690 - Thank you Your Worship and through you. 2355 03:18:48,690 --> 03:18:52,000 I'm going to start by saying my recollection in 2356 03:18:52,000 --> 03:18:52,320 Councillor 2357 03:18:52,320 --> 03:18:55,550 Robin's recollection of what happened at planning 2358 03:18:55,550 --> 03:18:55,950 from the 2359 03:18:55,950 --> 03:18:59,070 consultant's response are different. And I'm not 2360 03:18:59,070 --> 03:18:59,570 saying 2361 03:18:59,570 --> 03:19:01,920 that she's incorrect. My recollection, however, 2362 03:19:01,920 --> 03:19:02,250 was that 2363 03:19:02,250 --> 03:19:05,520 indication was the basement units would be 2364 03:19:05,520 --> 03:19:06,470 smaller 2365 03:19:06,470 --> 03:19:09,300 because of the constraints around renovating a 2366 03:19:09,300 --> 03:19:11,330 heritage building. 2367 03:19:11,330 --> 03:19:15,250 I don't recall a commitment to them being all one 2368 03:19:15,250 --> 03:19:16,550 bedrooms. 2369 03:19:16,550 --> 03:19:19,730 But there was an indication that they would 2370 03:19:19,730 --> 03:19:20,570 likely be smaller. 2371 03:19:20,570 --> 03:19:23,750 However, that's my recollection and I did not go 2372 03:19:23,750 --> 03:19:25,050 back because we only received this 2373 03:19:25,050 --> 03:19:27,220 amendment just before the meeting started to 2374 03:19:27,220 --> 03:19:30,240 check the committee meeting. 2375 03:19:30,240 --> 03:19:34,550 But I do want to, through you, ask our staff, not 2376 03:19:34,550 --> 03:19:35,910 in terms of city-wide policies. 2377 03:19:35,910 --> 03:19:38,230 Obviously, we have policies like the near-campus 2378 03:19:38,230 --> 03:19:39,110 neighborhood. 2379 03:19:39,110 --> 03:19:41,000 We have some other policies. 2380 03:19:41,000 --> 03:19:45,760 But is there a planning basis on an individual 2381 03:19:45,760 --> 03:19:52,180 address application for putting a cap on bedrooms 2382 03:19:52,180 --> 03:19:55,180 in our official plan or through our zoning by-law 2383 03:19:55,180 --> 03:20:01,470 processes. 2384 03:20:01,470 --> 03:20:08,280 - Just one second. 2385 03:20:08,280 --> 03:20:10,270 - And I'll just say, I know council can do it, 2386 03:20:10,270 --> 03:20:12,610 but is there a planning basis for it? 2387 03:20:12,610 --> 03:20:13,690 - So we're getting into that answer, 2388 03:20:13,690 --> 03:20:15,600 just to give it a second 'cause we have staff 2389 03:20:15,600 --> 03:20:17,020 conferring. 2390 03:20:17,020 --> 03:20:18,510 Go ahead. 2391 03:20:18,510 --> 03:20:21,280 - Thank you, through your worship. 2392 03:20:21,280 --> 03:20:23,690 Notwithstanding the planning rationale, 2393 03:20:23,690 --> 03:20:26,390 there was a cap at one point for bedrooms, 2394 03:20:26,390 --> 03:20:28,370 but council opted to remove that. 2395 03:20:28,370 --> 03:20:31,980 And that would be a council position, 2396 03:20:33,380 --> 03:20:36,580 municipality to municipality University towns and 2397 03:20:36,580 --> 03:20:38,520 that we've seen that across Canada. But 2398 03:20:38,520 --> 03:20:40,960 having said that there's no planning basis for a 2399 03:20:40,960 --> 03:20:46,500 cap. Go ahead. Thank you for that. Also through 2400 03:20:46,500 --> 03:20:50,380 you, Your Worship, we heard the rationale for for 2401 03:20:50,380 --> 03:20:53,470 an amendment is that the perception was the 2402 03:20:53,470 --> 03:20:57,140 planning framework has not substantially changed 2403 03:20:57,140 --> 03:21:03,750 since 2013. But is it not true through you to 2404 03:21:03,750 --> 03:21:04,210 staff 2405 03:21:04,210 --> 03:21:08,590 that the 2013 decision was made under the 1989 2406 03:21:08,590 --> 03:21:09,390 official plan. 2407 03:21:09,390 --> 03:21:11,530 We now operate under the London plan. 2408 03:21:11,530 --> 03:21:14,800 So there has been a change in our official plan. 2409 03:21:14,800 --> 03:21:17,790 There have been three new provincial policy 2410 03:21:17,790 --> 03:21:18,890 statements 2411 03:21:18,890 --> 03:21:21,460 as well as our own amendments to our official 2412 03:21:21,460 --> 03:21:21,700 plan 2413 03:21:21,700 --> 03:21:23,250 since the London plan was adopted 2414 03:21:23,250 --> 03:21:25,310 with the Heights plan review. 2415 03:21:25,310 --> 03:21:27,290 So with staff opinion that there actually has 2416 03:21:27,290 --> 03:21:27,490 been 2417 03:21:27,490 --> 03:21:30,120 substantive change to the planning framework 2418 03:21:30,120 --> 03:21:33,280 since 2013. 2419 03:21:33,280 --> 03:21:35,080 - Go ahead. 2420 03:21:35,080 --> 03:21:36,350 - Thank you through your worship. 2421 03:21:36,350 --> 03:21:37,550 Yes, that's correct. 2422 03:21:37,550 --> 03:21:40,000 that's the planning position on that. Plus, it's 2423 03:21:40,000 --> 03:21:42,570 also in a strategic growth area. So that's a big 2424 03:21:42,570 --> 03:21:46,700 shift from 2013. And also under the 1989 Official 2425 03:21:46,700 --> 03:21:49,100 Plan, these lands were designated low density 2426 03:21:49,100 --> 03:21:51,580 residential, recognizing these lands are now in 2427 03:21:51,580 --> 03:21:53,730 an urban corridor. Yes, they may be in a 2428 03:21:53,730 --> 03:21:56,060 preservation policy area, but it still would 2429 03:21:56,060 --> 03:21:58,670 contemplate higher intensity. And this would be 2430 03:21:58,670 --> 03:22:02,340 gentle intensification with no external changes. 2431 03:22:02,340 --> 03:22:07,080 Go ahead. Thank you, Chair. So through you, 2432 03:22:07,080 --> 03:22:10,430 But I think that right there underlines it. 2433 03:22:10,430 --> 03:22:13,420 The rationale for the amendments 2434 03:22:13,420 --> 03:22:15,500 is actually not supported by our planning staff. 2435 03:22:15,500 --> 03:22:18,210 It doesn't have a basis in planning policies 2436 03:22:18,210 --> 03:22:18,960 today. 2437 03:22:18,960 --> 03:22:22,750 The planning framework has substantively changed. 2438 03:22:22,750 --> 03:22:27,170 And as has been said by my colleagues, 2439 03:22:27,170 --> 03:22:28,680 Councillor Cuddy, Councillor Stevenson, 2440 03:22:28,680 --> 03:22:30,980 both referenced this applicant, 2441 03:22:30,980 --> 03:22:33,410 who's only had the property less than a year, 2442 03:22:33,410 --> 03:22:35,410 is willing to take on the risk of a heritage 2443 03:22:35,410 --> 03:22:36,670 property 2444 03:22:36,670 --> 03:22:40,040 with no external change to the building. 2445 03:22:40,040 --> 03:22:42,060 So the changes are all internal. 2446 03:22:42,060 --> 03:22:45,560 So it's correct to say, we don't see them ahead 2447 03:22:45,560 --> 03:22:46,890 of time 2448 03:22:46,890 --> 03:22:48,610 because there's no external change to the 2449 03:22:48,610 --> 03:22:49,040 building. 2450 03:22:49,040 --> 03:22:51,390 There's no extra construction going on. 2451 03:22:51,390 --> 03:22:54,180 So the internal building configuration is a 2452 03:22:54,180 --> 03:22:54,720 matter 2453 03:22:54,720 --> 03:22:56,800 of going through the process of permits 2454 03:22:56,800 --> 03:23:01,020 and fitting in what works as it moves forward. 2455 03:23:01,020 --> 03:23:03,100 With 13 years of vacancy here already 2456 03:23:03,100 --> 03:23:05,100 and the communication that we've seen from the 2457 03:23:05,100 --> 03:23:06,960 applicants, 2458 03:23:06,960 --> 03:23:09,040 you know, they've been working in good faith on 2459 03:23:09,040 --> 03:23:09,320 this. 2460 03:23:09,320 --> 03:23:11,050 And I think this is a wholly appropriate 2461 03:23:11,050 --> 03:23:11,570 application 2462 03:23:11,570 --> 03:23:13,390 supported by our staff. 2463 03:23:13,390 --> 03:23:14,700 And I think that we should be supporting 2464 03:23:14,700 --> 03:23:20,790 the committee's recommendation. 2465 03:23:20,790 --> 03:23:24,010 - I'll look to other speakers. 2466 03:23:24,010 --> 03:23:27,000 All right, Councillor Hopkins. 2467 03:23:27,000 --> 03:23:28,450 - Yeah, thank you. 2468 03:23:28,450 --> 03:23:31,120 First of all, I wanna start off with thanking 2469 03:23:31,120 --> 03:23:35,330 Councillor ramen for trying. 2470 03:23:35,330 --> 03:23:40,580 I think it's worth an opportunity 2471 03:23:40,580 --> 03:23:43,390 to create development at this location. 2472 03:23:43,390 --> 03:23:45,280 It's not about no development. 2473 03:23:45,280 --> 03:23:48,590 It's an opportunity to have a compromise, 2474 03:23:48,590 --> 03:23:50,730 support the community. 2475 03:23:50,730 --> 03:23:55,890 We heard at PEC the developer is going to create 2476 03:23:55,890 --> 03:24:00,290 bedrooms, smaller bedrooms in the basement. 2477 03:24:00,290 --> 03:24:04,420 I think it's worth noting that there is no site 2478 03:24:04,420 --> 03:24:08,370 plan process for this application. 2479 03:24:08,370 --> 03:24:11,230 This is an opportunity where we can manage the 2480 03:24:11,230 --> 03:24:12,730 amount of bedrooms. 2481 03:24:12,730 --> 03:24:16,860 So I will be supporting an amendment if this 2482 03:24:16,860 --> 03:24:20,890 recommendation from staff fails to put a cap 2483 03:24:20,890 --> 03:24:26,800 on the bedrooms. The other thing for me that is 2484 03:24:26,800 --> 03:24:30,460 an issue is that appeals matter, 2485 03:24:30,460 --> 03:24:36,420 hearings matter, the development or the community 2486 03:24:36,420 --> 03:24:38,450 did go through an appeal process. 2487 03:24:38,450 --> 03:24:40,920 They already had to compromise. They had to 2488 03:24:40,920 --> 03:24:46,610 settle in the middle. I'm surprised that that 2489 03:24:46,610 --> 03:24:47,160 does not 2490 03:24:47,160 --> 03:24:52,400 matter to us here at council. Why wouldn't that 2491 03:24:52,400 --> 03:24:58,900 matter? Community goes through a lengthy process 2492 03:24:58,900 --> 03:25:02,860 when they had the ability to be part of an appeal 2493 03:25:02,860 --> 03:25:07,440 process, to spend time, money, energy, 2494 03:25:07,440 --> 03:25:11,200 and then somehow meet in the middle to get a 2495 03:25:11,200 --> 03:25:19,530 ruling from the chair. So I'm just really 2496 03:25:19,530 --> 03:25:20,870 surprised 2497 03:25:20,870 --> 03:25:24,990 why we here today would not try to support a 2498 03:25:24,990 --> 03:25:29,190 compromise, allow the developer to continue to 2499 03:25:29,190 --> 03:25:36,370 to develop, have the community meet again halfway 2500 03:25:36,370 --> 03:25:36,470 . 2501 03:25:36,380 --> 03:25:40,320 I am just really kind of a little surprised 2502 03:25:40,320 --> 03:25:41,620 why we would not do that. 2503 03:25:41,620 --> 03:25:47,150 Why some of us really want to put that stick in 2504 03:25:47,150 --> 03:25:47,250 the stand 2505 03:25:47,180 --> 03:25:48,680 and not move from it. 2506 03:25:48,680 --> 03:25:53,770 So again, I do appreciate the will of my 2507 03:25:53,770 --> 03:25:53,870 colleagues 2508 03:25:53,770 --> 03:26:01,320 to try to work with the compromise. 2509 03:26:01,320 --> 03:26:03,710 - Other speakers to this? 2510 03:26:03,710 --> 03:26:06,170 - Councilor Ferra. 2511 03:26:06,170 --> 03:26:07,730 - Thanks, Mayor. 2512 03:26:07,730 --> 03:26:09,910 I'm listening to this conversation. I think this 2513 03:26:09,910 --> 03:26:12,320 is a good one. I like what I'm hearing about 2514 03:26:12,320 --> 03:26:16,680 the striving for protecting our heritage 2515 03:26:16,680 --> 03:26:19,320 buildings. That's something I'd like to see at 2516 03:26:19,320 --> 03:26:20,030 council as 2517 03:26:20,030 --> 03:26:23,110 much as possible. I have lots in my ward and I 2518 03:26:23,110 --> 03:26:27,600 also understand that, you know, decisions are 2519 03:26:27,600 --> 03:26:27,830 made 2520 03:26:27,830 --> 03:26:31,730 that may not necessarily have the equity there or 2521 03:26:31,730 --> 03:26:34,920 may be perceived that way and downtown definitely 2522 03:26:34,920 --> 03:26:38,270 feels that from time to time. When it comes to 2523 03:26:38,270 --> 03:26:41,100 this project, I just wanted to go to staff 2524 03:26:41,100 --> 03:26:46,240 first. Like, with the way it is right now, like, 2525 03:26:46,240 --> 03:26:49,250 are we going to see an increase in height or 2526 03:26:49,250 --> 03:26:51,020 massing or the footprint or anything like that? 2527 03:26:51,020 --> 03:26:53,120 Or is this development the way it's proposed 2528 03:26:53,120 --> 03:26:55,230 is able to be constrained within the existing 2529 03:26:55,230 --> 03:26:58,380 building? Could you just speak to me? Go ahead. 2530 03:26:58,380 --> 03:27:01,180 Thank you. Yes, through your ship. There's no 2531 03:27:01,180 --> 03:27:03,240 external changes to the property to the building. 2532 03:27:04,110 --> 03:27:08,180 As you see it today, the conversion is within the 2533 03:27:08,180 --> 03:27:08,550 internal 2534 03:27:08,550 --> 03:27:11,430 part, so the property building, we've heard the 2535 03:27:11,430 --> 03:27:13,460 basement units being added to. 2536 03:27:13,460 --> 03:27:16,360 Go ahead. 2537 03:27:16,360 --> 03:27:17,440 Thank you for that. 2538 03:27:17,440 --> 03:27:21,590 So I understand the appeal to reduce the cap, I 2539 03:27:21,590 --> 03:27:22,390 understand all that. 2540 03:27:22,390 --> 03:27:24,360 But I also understand of everything else. 2541 03:27:24,360 --> 03:27:25,340 It's a heritage building. 2542 03:27:25,340 --> 03:27:28,810 It's not going to be increasing the footprint or 2543 03:27:28,810 --> 03:27:30,570 everything about the building. 2544 03:27:30,570 --> 03:27:34,210 And this is something that is going to save this 2545 03:27:34,210 --> 03:27:35,000 potential heritage place. 2546 03:27:35,000 --> 03:27:37,310 heritage place. I would love to have a 2547 03:27:37,310 --> 03:27:39,010 development come to my ward with some of 2548 03:27:39,010 --> 03:27:41,400 my heritage buildings that are right now 2549 03:27:41,400 --> 03:27:43,810 suffering from that term demolition by 2550 03:27:43,810 --> 03:27:46,090 neglect. I would say that. And that would be 2551 03:27:46,090 --> 03:27:47,200 something that I would really 2552 03:27:47,200 --> 03:27:50,290 love. Like, you know, trying to mitigate between 2553 03:27:50,290 --> 03:27:52,680 community concerns and saving 2554 03:27:52,680 --> 03:27:54,730 these historic buildings is something that would 2555 03:27:54,730 --> 03:27:55,680 also something I would like 2556 03:27:55,680 --> 03:27:57,490 to do. But I don't even get to that first step. 2557 03:27:57,490 --> 03:27:59,110 So I would say with this 2558 03:27:59,110 --> 03:28:00,850 application, I like what I'm hearing about 2559 03:28:00,850 --> 03:28:03,180 heritage. If we can see that with 2560 03:28:03,180 --> 03:28:05,870 heritage buildings in the core. I would like to 2561 03:28:05,870 --> 03:28:07,760 see that. But the way this is, the 2562 03:28:07,760 --> 03:28:11,850 massing footprint, the height is not changing. 2563 03:28:11,850 --> 03:28:12,400 Pretty much the heritage 2564 03:28:12,400 --> 03:28:14,130 building is going to look intact. This is an 2565 03:28:14,130 --> 03:28:15,630 adaptive reuse. This is exactly what 2566 03:28:15,630 --> 03:28:17,830 we're asking for all the time. I understand there 2567 03:28:17,830 --> 03:28:18,580 's going to be more 2568 03:28:18,580 --> 03:28:23,020 residences there. And at the same time, that is a 2569 03:28:23,020 --> 03:28:25,260 compromise. We are saving this 2570 03:28:25,260 --> 03:28:28,080 building. We are able to bring in more housing. 2571 03:28:28,080 --> 03:28:29,330 We are going to have a reuse of 2572 03:28:29,330 --> 03:28:32,930 it. I would take that as a win if that was in my 2573 03:28:32,930 --> 03:28:34,190 ward. I would take that as a big 2574 03:28:34,190 --> 03:28:37,900 win. So I understand the concerns and the appeal 2575 03:28:37,900 --> 03:28:39,350 to reduce the capping, but I'm going 2576 03:28:39,350 --> 03:28:41,470 to support this the way it is. I think, I would 2577 03:28:41,470 --> 03:28:42,830 like to see this in my ward, and I would like 2578 03:28:42,830 --> 03:28:44,920 to see the sentiments for our heritage buildings 2579 03:28:44,920 --> 03:28:46,090 come to my ward as well. 2580 03:28:46,090 --> 03:28:52,650 Councillor Pribble. Thank you. I will start right 2581 03:28:52,650 --> 03:28:54,070 away by stating that I will certainly 2582 03:28:54,070 --> 03:28:56,520 support the recommendation by the committee. We 2583 03:28:56,520 --> 03:28:58,380 heard that word here quite a few times, 2584 03:28:58,380 --> 03:29:01,770 compromise, but again, compromise is without the 2585 03:29:01,770 --> 03:29:04,440 actual person or company organization that's 2586 03:29:04,440 --> 03:29:06,820 coming step forward and putting their money, 2587 03:29:06,820 --> 03:29:09,190 their investment forward to actually make 2588 03:29:09,190 --> 03:29:12,310 this building that was vacant for many years, etc 2589 03:29:12,310 --> 03:29:14,540 . I drive by almost every day and I'm really 2590 03:29:14,540 --> 03:29:16,880 happy that there will be something happening. But 2591 03:29:16,880 --> 03:29:18,920 I can compromise without them. It's kind 2592 03:29:18,920 --> 03:29:22,110 of what I always call about you, without you. And 2593 03:29:22,110 --> 03:29:23,390 that's really the case here. So I really 2594 03:29:23,390 --> 03:29:26,690 don't feel in terms of that us making a decision 2595 03:29:26,690 --> 03:29:29,820 on compromise, there's no compromise on the 2596 03:29:29,820 --> 03:29:32,100 table whatsoever. Because the other party, the 2597 03:29:32,100 --> 03:29:33,800 party that's actually making the investment 2598 03:29:33,800 --> 03:29:37,970 actually not present here. I do agree with most 2599 03:29:37,970 --> 03:29:40,900 of the stuff that of the individuals that were 2600 03:29:40,900 --> 03:29:43,650 stated here by the ones that are recommending the 2601 03:29:43,650 --> 03:29:47,030 support of the committee's recommendation, 2602 03:29:47,030 --> 03:29:50,310 because if I do look at this, again, the height, 2603 03:29:50,310 --> 03:29:53,230 the width, the length, whatever it is, it 2604 03:29:53,230 --> 03:29:53,550 actually 2605 03:29:53,550 --> 03:29:56,760 stays the same. It stays the same. It doesn't 2606 03:29:56,760 --> 03:29:59,630 increase. And this, I do realize that based on 2607 03:29:59,630 --> 03:30:00,110 the 2608 03:30:00,110 --> 03:30:04,270 type of the building zoning and near-neighborough 2609 03:30:04,270 --> 03:30:05,750 or near-campus neighborhoods. I do agree or I 2610 03:30:05,750 --> 03:30:08,360 do understand what's the maximum number of the 2611 03:30:08,360 --> 03:30:11,670 bedrooms. But again, other organizations looked 2612 03:30:11,670 --> 03:30:11,770 at 2613 03:30:11,750 --> 03:30:14,900 this quite a few of them during the past years 2614 03:30:14,900 --> 03:30:18,260 and guess what, it wasn't feasible for them 2615 03:30:18,260 --> 03:30:20,700 financially. They didn't want to do it because of 2616 03:30:20,700 --> 03:30:23,890 the heritage. We have someone that is actually 2617 03:30:23,890 --> 03:30:25,830 willing to take this on. Are they going to 2618 03:30:25,830 --> 03:30:28,160 maximize their opportunity? I'm quite sure they 2619 03:30:28,160 --> 03:30:28,640 will. 2620 03:30:28,640 --> 03:30:31,360 Are they going to do it within the exterior that 2621 03:30:31,360 --> 03:30:32,360 's currently there? 2622 03:30:32,360 --> 03:30:35,150 Yes, they are. I will be supporting this and I 2623 03:30:35,150 --> 03:30:38,360 hope there will be most of my colleagues will 2624 03:30:38,360 --> 03:30:40,640 be supporting this application going forward and 2625 03:30:40,640 --> 03:30:42,760 supporting the committee's recommendation. 2626 03:30:42,760 --> 03:30:48,720 Thank you. Okay. That's all the speakers I have 2627 03:30:48,720 --> 03:30:52,670 before me. So I'm going to open the committee's 2628 03:30:52,670 --> 03:31:08,600 recommendation with voting. Close on the vote. 2629 03:31:08,600 --> 03:31:14,030 Motion carries 10 to 3. Councillor Frank. 2630 03:31:14,030 --> 03:31:19,790 Could we move a 15-minute break just because it's 2631 03:31:19,790 --> 03:31:22,050 been a while? Yes, we can. That's moved, 2632 03:31:22,050 --> 03:31:26,440 seconded by Councillor Ferreira. Let's do that by 2633 03:31:26,440 --> 03:31:29,040 hand. Can I do by hand? I'm just going to do 2634 03:31:29,040 --> 03:31:33,410 by hand. All those in favor? Any opposed? All 2635 03:31:33,410 --> 03:49:07,630 right, I'm going to get everybody to sit down. We 2636 03:49:07,630 --> 03:49:07,730 're 2637 03:49:07,630 --> 03:49:27,210 going to start again, including Councillor Layman 2638 03:49:27,210 --> 03:49:30,510 . Okay, we're going to continue on. Thanks for 2639 03:49:30,510 --> 03:49:32,910 the short break and we'll continue with the 2640 03:49:32,910 --> 03:49:35,860 planning report. I'll turn it back to Councillor 2641 03:49:35,860 --> 03:49:36,240 Layman. 2642 03:49:36,240 --> 03:49:38,820 Thanks, Mayor. Going on to number eight, this is 2643 03:49:38,820 --> 03:49:41,400 regarding 36 Weathered Street and 2644 03:49:41,400 --> 03:49:45,410 and Councilor Stevenson requests us to be pulled. 2645 03:49:45,410 --> 03:49:46,800 - Okay, that one is separate. 2646 03:49:46,800 --> 03:49:48,530 I'll look for any speakers. 2647 03:49:48,530 --> 03:49:50,900 Go ahead. 2648 03:49:50,900 --> 03:49:52,510 - Thank you. 2649 03:49:52,510 --> 03:49:55,420 So this one passed, I believe it was 3-2 at 2650 03:49:55,420 --> 03:49:59,480 committee. 2651 03:49:59,480 --> 03:50:00,570 I just want to be clear. 2652 03:50:00,570 --> 03:50:03,250 Like the developer reached out to me 2653 03:50:03,250 --> 03:50:05,300 that they are trying to do good things 2654 03:50:05,300 --> 03:50:07,030 and build housing in our city 2655 03:50:07,030 --> 03:50:09,850 and no detriment to them. 2656 03:50:09,850 --> 03:50:12,570 But what I want to understand 2657 03:50:12,570 --> 03:50:15,060 through this five minutes that I get 2658 03:50:15,060 --> 03:50:19,840 is how are our policies being applied 2659 03:50:19,840 --> 03:50:23,860 in such a way that people, residents of London, 2660 03:50:23,860 --> 03:50:26,990 understand and know what can be expected 2661 03:50:26,990 --> 03:50:29,200 to be happening on their street 2662 03:50:29,200 --> 03:50:31,520 and in their houses beside them. 2663 03:50:31,520 --> 03:50:36,180 So in this case, this is a quiet residential 2664 03:50:36,180 --> 03:50:36,590 street, 2665 03:50:36,590 --> 03:50:40,300 larger lots, older homes. 2666 03:50:40,300 --> 03:50:44,140 There are seven houses on this little stretch 2667 03:50:44,140 --> 03:50:45,940 of this street before there's a little curve 2668 03:50:45,940 --> 03:50:50,470 it keeps going. I didn't realize that the house 2669 03:50:50,470 --> 03:50:53,500 right beside this development had been taken 2670 03:50:53,500 --> 03:50:57,620 down and there's the entire property has got 2671 03:50:57,620 --> 03:51:02,290 units on it. And then four down a house was taken 2672 03:51:02,290 --> 03:51:05,800 down and there's townhouses now again the length 2673 03:51:05,800 --> 03:51:10,980 of the backyard. So when I read like in this 2674 03:51:10,980 --> 03:51:11,530 motion 2675 03:51:11,530 --> 03:51:16,170 in this, it says the recommended amendment is 2676 03:51:16,170 --> 03:51:19,930 considered compatible with the surrounding 2677 03:51:19,930 --> 03:51:24,960 neighborhood. And yet on page 208, it says policy 2678 03:51:24,960 --> 03:51:28,660 969 of the London Plan further discourages 2679 03:51:28,660 --> 03:51:31,420 forms of intensification within near-campus 2680 03:51:31,420 --> 03:51:34,850 neighborhoods that are within neighborhoods 2681 03:51:34,850 --> 03:51:37,620 that have already absorbed significant amounts of 2682 03:51:37,620 --> 03:51:40,620 residential intensification and/or residential 2683 03:51:40,620 --> 03:51:46,330 intensity. So we've already got two of the seven 2684 03:51:46,330 --> 03:51:50,740 homes that are now intensified. This 2685 03:51:50,740 --> 03:51:53,290 would potentially be a third. That would be three 2686 03:51:53,290 --> 03:51:55,640 out of seven. At what point would staff 2687 03:51:55,640 --> 03:51:59,290 determine that it would be too much and that the 2688 03:51:59,290 --> 03:52:02,700 next planning application would not receive 2689 03:52:02,700 --> 03:52:10,820 recommendation? Well, I can see if our staff can 2690 03:52:10,820 --> 03:52:13,340 give some sense of that. I think every 2691 03:52:13,340 --> 03:52:16,130 application is individual, but I'll go to go to 2692 03:52:16,130 --> 03:52:17,810 our staff to see what they can say. 2693 03:52:18,630 --> 03:52:20,350 - Thank you through your worship, yes, that's 2694 03:52:20,350 --> 03:52:20,630 correct. 2695 03:52:20,630 --> 03:52:23,660 Each application is reviewed on its own merits. 2696 03:52:23,660 --> 03:52:26,180 We do look at the full policy framework, 2697 03:52:26,180 --> 03:52:29,060 as you've mentioned under that policy 969, 2698 03:52:29,060 --> 03:52:32,080 but we also have other council direction 2699 03:52:32,080 --> 03:52:34,380 in terms of additional residential units 2700 03:52:34,380 --> 03:52:37,140 and what that means in terms of neighborhoods 2701 03:52:37,140 --> 03:52:40,140 and basically spreading housing 2702 03:52:40,140 --> 03:52:42,390 and intensification across the entire city. 2703 03:52:42,390 --> 03:52:45,350 So we're gonna see that through council's 2704 03:52:45,350 --> 03:52:45,990 decision 2705 03:52:45,990 --> 03:52:49,220 within neighborhoods. 2706 03:52:49,220 --> 03:52:50,260 - Councillor Stevenson. 2707 03:52:50,260 --> 03:52:51,290 - Thank you, I understand. 2708 03:52:51,290 --> 03:52:53,720 But again, it's policy that's being applied. 2709 03:52:53,720 --> 03:52:55,940 And so I'm just wondering, is it like 50%, 2710 03:52:55,940 --> 03:52:59,480 once more than 50% of the street was intensified, 2711 03:52:59,480 --> 03:53:00,830 then that would be considered, 2712 03:53:00,830 --> 03:53:02,420 is there's any kind of a ballpark 2713 03:53:02,420 --> 03:53:13,310 that we can share with residents? 2714 03:53:13,310 --> 03:53:16,000 - Thank you through your worship. 2715 03:53:16,000 --> 03:53:18,540 Again, we reviewed on a policy by, 2716 03:53:18,540 --> 03:53:21,200 a case by case basis based on the policy 2717 03:53:21,200 --> 03:53:22,520 framework. 2718 03:53:22,520 --> 03:53:25,520 We look at aspects in terms of cumulative impact, 2719 03:53:25,520 --> 03:53:27,900 whether it's traffic, servicing, and the 2720 03:53:27,900 --> 03:53:28,750 capabilities 2721 03:53:28,750 --> 03:53:31,270 of what sites can take. 2722 03:53:31,270 --> 03:53:33,830 And in this case, staff are recommending approval 2723 03:53:33,830 --> 03:53:35,170 of it. 2724 03:53:35,170 --> 03:53:38,740 And as other sites within this neighborhood, 2725 03:53:38,740 --> 03:53:40,920 and we have seen this within neighborhoods, 2726 03:53:40,920 --> 03:53:42,870 and through council direction, 2727 03:53:42,870 --> 03:53:46,190 we'll see a little bit more uptake across the 2728 03:53:46,190 --> 03:53:46,690 city. 2729 03:53:46,690 --> 03:53:48,410 - Go ahead. 2730 03:53:48,410 --> 03:53:49,910 - Thank you. 2731 03:53:49,910 --> 03:53:51,280 What I'm trying to get at, though, 2732 03:53:51,280 --> 03:53:53,080 is we've got these policies. 2733 03:53:53,080 --> 03:53:54,810 Londoners are concerned. 2734 03:53:54,810 --> 03:53:56,760 They're concerned that they're gonna have, 2735 03:53:56,760 --> 03:53:59,640 that the street is going to be turned into high- 2736 03:53:59,640 --> 03:54:01,840 density housing. 2737 03:54:01,840 --> 03:54:07,650 The other part of policy 969 says continuing-- 2738 03:54:07,650 --> 03:54:11,360 our London plan discourages forms of intens 2739 03:54:11,360 --> 03:54:12,150 ification 2740 03:54:12,150 --> 03:54:15,090 that continue an ad hoc and incremental trend 2741 03:54:15,090 --> 03:54:16,840 towards residential intensification 2742 03:54:16,840 --> 03:54:19,150 within a given street, block, or neighborhood, 2743 03:54:19,150 --> 03:54:21,730 rather than a proactive, coordinated, and planned 2744 03:54:21,730 --> 03:54:24,680 approach towards residential intensification. 2745 03:54:24,680 --> 03:54:28,900 So I'm wondering what plans or how are we gonna 2746 03:54:28,900 --> 03:54:29,140 ensure 2747 03:54:29,140 --> 03:54:31,540 that it's not gonna be ad hoc in this 2748 03:54:31,540 --> 03:54:34,430 neighborhood? 2749 03:54:34,430 --> 03:54:35,360 - Go ahead. 2750 03:54:35,360 --> 03:54:37,390 - Thank you through your worship. 2751 03:54:37,390 --> 03:54:39,700 The planning was done based on council's 2752 03:54:39,700 --> 03:54:40,280 direction, 2753 03:54:40,280 --> 03:54:42,860 looking at additional residential units. 2754 03:54:42,860 --> 03:54:45,010 For example, and that's the planning 2755 03:54:45,010 --> 03:54:47,320 that would be expected in residential 2756 03:54:47,320 --> 03:54:48,200 neighborhoods, 2757 03:54:48,200 --> 03:54:50,870 including this neighborhood. 2758 03:54:50,870 --> 03:54:55,320 - Go ahead, Councilor Stevenson. 2759 03:54:55,320 --> 03:54:59,840 - So any neighborhood can expect to have 2760 03:54:59,840 --> 03:55:00,720 potentially 2761 03:55:00,720 --> 03:55:06,040 all of their homes filled with residential units 2762 03:55:06,040 --> 03:55:10,140 that take up the vast majority of the lots. 2763 03:55:10,140 --> 03:55:15,860 That's what we're telling Londoners. 2764 03:55:15,860 --> 03:55:17,570 - Good, thank you, through your worship. 2765 03:55:17,570 --> 03:55:19,720 We'll be looking at it at a case-by-case basis, 2766 03:55:19,720 --> 03:55:21,350 as I mentioned. 2767 03:55:21,350 --> 03:55:22,940 In terms of some neighborhoods, 2768 03:55:22,940 --> 03:55:25,440 there is opportunities for transition 2769 03:55:25,440 --> 03:55:28,630 to accommodate more intensification. 2770 03:55:28,630 --> 03:55:30,100 And when we're talking about intensification, 2771 03:55:30,100 --> 03:55:31,530 we're not talking about high-rise buildings. 2772 03:55:31,530 --> 03:55:34,770 We're talking about gentle intensification 2773 03:55:34,770 --> 03:55:37,100 for units on a property. 2774 03:55:37,100 --> 03:55:40,350 Again, it's based on the size of the property, 2775 03:55:40,350 --> 03:55:44,250 site functionality, access, and other site 2776 03:55:44,250 --> 03:55:44,780 matters 2777 03:55:44,780 --> 03:55:50,780 that would make the sites viable for development. 2778 03:55:50,780 --> 03:55:52,040 - Go ahead. 2779 03:55:52,040 --> 03:55:52,870 - Thank you. 2780 03:55:52,870 --> 03:55:54,690 And I'm gonna keep pushing here and I apologize. 2781 03:55:54,690 --> 03:55:57,440 But this is a 24 meter frontage. 2782 03:55:57,440 --> 03:56:00,170 Like this is not a big area. 2783 03:56:00,170 --> 03:56:03,900 This is the third home in seven homes 2784 03:56:03,900 --> 03:56:06,290 that is gonna be basically the entire lot 2785 03:56:06,290 --> 03:56:07,570 turned into housing. 2786 03:56:07,570 --> 03:56:09,990 So staff, when they make this decision, 2787 03:56:09,990 --> 03:56:11,350 are looking at the neighborhood, 2788 03:56:11,350 --> 03:56:13,740 and I'm asking you to share with this particular 2789 03:56:13,740 --> 03:56:14,170 neighborhood 2790 03:56:14,170 --> 03:56:16,520 because you've looked at it a couple of times now 2791 03:56:16,520 --> 03:56:16,620 , 2792 03:56:16,520 --> 03:56:18,510 what is your vision, what is your plan, 2793 03:56:18,510 --> 03:56:20,860 what is the policies, what can the residents 2794 03:56:20,860 --> 03:56:21,260 expect? 2795 03:56:21,260 --> 03:56:26,320 Just ballpark. 2796 03:56:26,320 --> 03:56:28,190 - Thank you, through your worship. 2797 03:56:28,190 --> 03:56:29,940 In some neighborhoods where it's already as a 2798 03:56:29,940 --> 03:56:30,810 right zoning, 2799 03:56:30,810 --> 03:56:32,720 that would happen and they would be able to apply 2800 03:56:32,720 --> 03:56:34,590 for building permit. 2801 03:56:34,590 --> 03:56:37,290 There are some sites that may not meet the zoning 2802 03:56:37,290 --> 03:56:37,880 framework, 2803 03:56:37,880 --> 03:56:39,770 and so that's why we would look at it on a case- 2804 03:56:39,770 --> 03:56:42,790 by-case basis. 2805 03:56:42,790 --> 03:56:43,600 - Go ahead, Councillor. 2806 03:56:43,600 --> 03:56:44,420 - Thank you and through you. 2807 03:56:44,420 --> 03:56:46,070 This is eight units. 2808 03:56:46,070 --> 03:56:47,610 Eight units on a, you know, 2809 03:56:47,610 --> 03:56:50,650 what people would not call too big of a lot. 2810 03:56:50,650 --> 03:56:54,730 And you're saying case by case, 2811 03:56:54,730 --> 03:56:57,540 this one doesn't meet the requirements. 2812 03:56:57,540 --> 03:57:00,440 We're doing 80% of the minimum front lot 2813 03:57:00,440 --> 03:57:04,110 and 83% of the front yard. 2814 03:57:04,110 --> 03:57:05,980 So again, I'm just gonna ask 2815 03:57:05,980 --> 03:57:09,380 because there's a couple of houses for sale on 2816 03:57:09,380 --> 03:57:10,040 that street 2817 03:57:10,040 --> 03:57:11,310 and now the rest of them are saying 2818 03:57:11,310 --> 03:57:13,170 maybe they should leave too 2819 03:57:13,170 --> 03:57:14,920 If this is what's going to happen, 2820 03:57:14,920 --> 03:57:16,500 then they might as well free up the properties 2821 03:57:16,500 --> 03:57:22,360 for these higher density. 2822 03:57:22,360 --> 03:57:23,480 - I don't know if there was a question there. 2823 03:57:23,480 --> 03:57:25,670 You got about 30 seconds left. 2824 03:57:25,670 --> 03:57:27,520 - The question is that particular neighborhood 2825 03:57:27,520 --> 03:57:29,690 has been evaluated and staff have said 2826 03:57:29,690 --> 03:57:31,000 they see it as compatible. 2827 03:57:31,000 --> 03:57:33,550 So at what point is it not going to be compatible 2828 03:57:33,550 --> 03:57:35,560 ? 2829 03:57:35,560 --> 03:57:38,570 - So I can go to Ms. O'Neill again. 2830 03:57:38,570 --> 03:57:40,650 I think you answered it about case-by-case 2831 03:57:40,650 --> 03:57:42,360 or servicing there's lots of considerations, but 2832 03:57:42,360 --> 03:57:43,080 go ahead. 2833 03:57:43,080 --> 03:57:44,150 - Thank you, through your worship. 2834 03:57:44,150 --> 03:57:46,300 Yes, and that talks about that cumulative impact 2835 03:57:46,300 --> 03:57:47,330 that I was talking about. 2836 03:57:47,330 --> 03:57:49,230 So at some point, as you've mentioned, 2837 03:57:49,230 --> 03:57:50,340 that there's a threshold. 2838 03:57:50,340 --> 03:57:53,920 But for this particular application, 2839 03:57:53,920 --> 03:57:56,610 it meets the policy framework. 2840 03:57:56,610 --> 03:58:01,010 Councilor Stevenson. 2841 03:58:01,010 --> 03:58:03,900 - We just had counselors willing to go against 2842 03:58:03,900 --> 03:58:04,220 staff 2843 03:58:04,220 --> 03:58:05,750 recommendation on a few units 2844 03:58:05,750 --> 03:58:07,800 that didn't change a footprint. 2845 03:58:07,800 --> 03:58:10,430 This, if you look, the couple was here. 2846 03:58:10,430 --> 03:58:11,370 They have their little baby. 2847 03:58:11,370 --> 03:58:13,980 They've got this nice little property. 2848 03:58:13,980 --> 03:58:17,280 The house is pretty much on the property line. 2849 03:58:17,280 --> 03:58:19,260 And now they're gonna have this big development 2850 03:58:19,260 --> 03:58:20,210 beside them. 2851 03:58:20,210 --> 03:58:22,110 And beside that is another big development. 2852 03:58:22,110 --> 03:58:24,330 and four houses down is another big development 2853 03:58:24,330 --> 03:58:26,460 and there's two houses across the street. 2854 03:58:26,460 --> 03:58:28,590 We're running into problems here without it being 2855 03:58:28,590 --> 03:58:28,890 clear 2856 03:58:28,890 --> 03:58:31,130 because people could be buying a lot. 2857 03:58:31,130 --> 03:58:35,360 - Time's up. 2858 03:58:35,360 --> 03:58:42,670 All right, other speakers to this matter, okay? 2859 03:58:42,670 --> 03:58:56,410 Seeing none, that I'm gonna open that for voting. 2860 03:58:56,410 --> 03:59:08,740 - Closing the vote, motion carries 10 to three. 2861 03:59:08,740 --> 03:59:10,770 - That's a layman. 2862 03:59:10,770 --> 03:59:11,590 - Thank you, Mayor. 2863 03:59:11,590 --> 03:59:12,400 Moving on to number nine. 2864 03:59:12,400 --> 03:59:14,670 This is regarding nine, two, and nine. 2865 03:59:14,670 --> 03:59:20,190 Cheap size streets, I'll put that in the floor. 2866 03:59:20,190 --> 03:59:21,250 - Okay, that's on the floor. 2867 03:59:21,250 --> 03:59:22,920 I'll go to speakers on this. 2868 03:59:22,920 --> 03:59:25,310 Go ahead, Councilor from Stevenson. 2869 03:59:25,310 --> 03:59:27,190 Thank you, this is another one in my ward, 2870 03:59:27,190 --> 03:59:28,930 and I'm gonna keep coming back to this. 2871 03:59:28,930 --> 03:59:32,370 Londoners are asking us to be clear. 2872 03:59:32,370 --> 03:59:33,610 What is our policy? 2873 03:59:33,610 --> 03:59:35,920 What can they expect when they're purchasing 2874 03:59:35,920 --> 03:59:36,390 property 2875 03:59:36,390 --> 03:59:39,010 to develop, or when they're purchasing property 2876 03:59:39,010 --> 03:59:41,230 to live with, raise their families, 2877 03:59:41,230 --> 03:59:43,400 or for people who've lived in neighborhoods for a 2878 03:59:43,400 --> 03:59:44,250 long time? 2879 03:59:44,250 --> 03:59:47,620 This is coming across as very inconsistent. 2880 03:59:47,620 --> 03:59:50,410 We're willing to, we wanna reduce neighborhoods 2881 03:59:50,410 --> 03:59:52,570 or a number of bedrooms in a building 2882 03:59:52,570 --> 03:59:55,520 that where the footprint doesn't change, 2883 03:59:55,520 --> 03:59:58,440 but then we're gonna put three out of seven on 2884 03:59:58,440 --> 03:59:59,700 one street. 2885 03:59:59,700 --> 04:00:04,530 And then we've got this development, which was-- 2886 04:00:04,530 --> 04:00:09,750 - Okay, I have a point of order. 2887 04:00:09,750 --> 04:00:10,580 - Thank you. 2888 04:00:10,580 --> 04:00:11,560 I'm rising on a point of order. 2889 04:00:11,560 --> 04:00:13,580 I'm not sure what the counselor's debating right 2890 04:00:13,580 --> 04:00:13,930 now. 2891 04:00:13,930 --> 04:00:16,980 Can she stick to the matter that's on the floor? 2892 04:00:16,980 --> 04:00:19,730 - Yeah, so the thing I heard that is not really 2893 04:00:19,730 --> 04:00:20,040 related 2894 04:00:20,040 --> 04:00:23,110 to this is counselors made, 2895 04:00:23,110 --> 04:00:24,480 well, there wasn't even counselors who made a 2896 04:00:24,480 --> 04:00:24,790 motion. 2897 04:00:24,790 --> 04:00:28,640 So you're raising a matter about changing 2898 04:00:28,640 --> 04:00:29,490 possible bedrooms 2899 04:00:29,490 --> 04:00:31,230 It wasn't even allowed to be on the floor by 2900 04:00:31,230 --> 04:00:32,060 council decision. 2901 04:00:32,060 --> 04:00:33,830 We voted on the actual development. 2902 04:00:33,830 --> 04:00:36,740 So if you could keep it to the matter before us 2903 04:00:36,740 --> 04:00:39,340 and not things that weren't even motions on the 2904 04:00:39,340 --> 04:00:39,570 floor, 2905 04:00:39,570 --> 04:00:41,290 but something a councilor wanted to do. 2906 04:00:41,290 --> 04:00:43,270 Many counselors want to do many things. 2907 04:00:43,270 --> 04:00:45,900 The decisions we make here is, you know, 2908 04:00:45,900 --> 04:00:47,030 the decision-making of the group. 2909 04:00:47,030 --> 04:00:49,110 So if you could keep it focused on that, 2910 04:00:49,110 --> 04:00:50,870 I'm going to say the point of order is dealt with 2911 04:00:50,870 --> 04:00:52,750 and I'll let the council debate the issue that's 2912 04:00:52,750 --> 04:00:54,050 before us. 2913 04:00:54,050 --> 04:01:00,710 - Chair, the councilor can withdraw her comment. 2914 04:01:00,710 --> 04:01:05,280 - Do you just save which comment to be withdrawn? 2915 04:01:05,280 --> 04:01:07,560 her comments that were not related to the 2916 04:01:07,560 --> 04:01:08,290 application 2917 04:01:08,290 --> 04:01:12,080 that's in front of us. 2918 04:01:12,080 --> 04:01:15,920 - So I would usually have a comment 2919 04:01:15,920 --> 04:01:19,540 that was a point of personal privilege withdrawn. 2920 04:01:19,540 --> 04:01:21,450 I think your point was more a point of order 2921 04:01:21,450 --> 04:01:23,410 to stick to the topic at hand. 2922 04:01:23,410 --> 04:01:25,140 I don't think I need the counselor to actually 2923 04:01:25,140 --> 04:01:25,370 withdraw 2924 04:01:25,370 --> 04:01:27,370 that to continue on with the debate. 2925 04:01:27,370 --> 04:01:31,190 So the counselor chose that. 2926 04:01:31,190 --> 04:01:33,930 - Then I'll make a point of personal privilege 2927 04:01:33,930 --> 04:01:36,510 because that was in direct reference 2928 04:01:36,510 --> 04:01:39,330 to the one that just came up in my ward 2929 04:01:39,330 --> 04:01:42,270 where I was speaking against an application 2930 04:01:42,270 --> 04:01:45,620 where there was no change in footprint. 2931 04:01:45,620 --> 04:01:48,010 And I'm just gonna leave it at that and you rule 2932 04:01:48,010 --> 04:01:48,300 on it, 2933 04:01:48,300 --> 04:01:50,580 but I just don't think we have to be this 2934 04:01:50,580 --> 04:02:13,680 divisive. 2935 04:02:13,680 --> 04:02:16,080 - Okay, so let's just settle this down. 2936 04:02:16,080 --> 04:02:17,800 So lots of people want to call points of order, 2937 04:02:17,800 --> 04:02:19,560 points of personal privilege. 2938 04:02:19,560 --> 04:02:22,430 Point of order is with respect to, 2939 04:02:22,430 --> 04:02:24,110 is the member following the general rules or 2940 04:02:24,110 --> 04:02:25,100 practices? 2941 04:02:25,100 --> 04:02:26,940 Councilor ramen raises the point of order. 2942 04:02:26,940 --> 04:02:28,270 Yes, we got to stay on track. 2943 04:02:28,270 --> 04:02:30,140 We got to debate the things before us. 2944 04:02:30,140 --> 04:02:32,240 I address that. 2945 04:02:32,240 --> 04:02:34,090 - Councilor Troso, a point of personal privilege 2946 04:02:34,090 --> 04:02:43,640 is really something that negatively affects 2947 04:02:43,640 --> 04:02:45,600 the rights or privileges of council members 2948 04:02:45,600 --> 04:02:47,580 or council as a whole, 2949 04:02:47,580 --> 04:02:49,910 despite other pending business before council. 2950 04:02:49,910 --> 04:02:53,060 So like, I get that the councilor 2951 04:02:53,060 --> 04:02:56,750 and your comments are not in alignment. 2952 04:02:56,750 --> 04:02:58,930 I didn't hear anything that was, 2953 04:02:58,930 --> 04:03:01,310 I mean, it could be not directly related, 2954 04:03:01,310 --> 04:03:02,520 which I've actually addressed, 2955 04:03:02,520 --> 04:03:07,590 but I don't think it was restricting your right 2956 04:03:07,590 --> 04:03:10,140 to have said what you said before, 2957 04:03:10,140 --> 04:03:11,770 or to continue to say it in the future. 2958 04:03:11,770 --> 04:03:14,350 And I will continue to make sure it's done 2959 04:03:14,350 --> 04:03:15,700 in a very respectful way. 2960 04:03:15,700 --> 04:03:17,690 But I think counselors can have disagreements of 2961 04:03:17,690 --> 04:03:18,920 opinion. 2962 04:03:18,920 --> 04:03:20,670 They can say they disagreed with another 2963 04:03:20,670 --> 04:03:22,490 counselor's opinion. 2964 04:03:22,490 --> 04:03:23,440 You can disagree with that. 2965 04:03:23,440 --> 04:03:24,940 Counselors, as long as it's done respectfully, 2966 04:03:24,940 --> 04:03:26,880 that's to me is part of the debate 2967 04:03:26,880 --> 04:03:27,990 and decision-making process. 2968 04:03:27,990 --> 04:03:31,990 So I agree, we could, counselors, 2969 04:03:31,990 --> 04:03:33,620 keep their comments focused and respectful. 2970 04:03:33,620 --> 04:03:35,820 We're gonna be really efficient 2971 04:03:35,820 --> 04:03:37,290 for the rest of the matters before us. 2972 04:03:37,290 --> 04:03:39,540 And if not, we're gonna deal with points of 2973 04:03:39,540 --> 04:03:39,930 privilege 2974 04:03:39,930 --> 04:03:42,070 and points of order, and I'm happy to do that, 2975 04:03:42,070 --> 04:03:45,780 but I think we can all just focus on the actual 2976 04:03:45,780 --> 04:03:46,350 debates, 2977 04:03:46,350 --> 04:03:49,690 keep the subject of that debate really rooted 2978 04:03:49,690 --> 04:03:51,390 in why the matters before us. 2979 04:03:51,390 --> 04:03:52,620 In this case, they're planning items, 2980 04:03:52,620 --> 04:03:53,730 there's lots of planning reasons 2981 04:03:53,730 --> 04:03:55,600 that you can before or against something. 2982 04:03:55,600 --> 04:03:56,670 And if we keep it in that space, 2983 04:03:56,670 --> 04:03:58,780 rather than even getting into other council's 2984 04:03:58,780 --> 04:03:59,150 opinions, 2985 04:03:59,150 --> 04:04:01,470 I think we'll be in a much more efficient way of 2986 04:04:01,470 --> 04:04:02,120 speaking. 2987 04:04:02,120 --> 04:04:05,440 So that's my general caution to everybody. 2988 04:04:05,440 --> 04:04:07,260 I'm gonna say not really a point of personal 2989 04:04:07,260 --> 04:04:07,770 privilege 2990 04:04:07,770 --> 04:04:09,180 because I don't think your rights were really imp 2991 04:04:09,180 --> 04:04:10,150 ugned there. 2992 04:04:10,150 --> 04:04:11,850 Councillor Stevenson, you can continue debating 2993 04:04:11,850 --> 04:04:13,830 this item before us. 2994 04:04:13,830 --> 04:04:14,660 - Thank you. 2995 04:04:14,660 --> 04:04:15,770 I'm asking for colleagues support 2996 04:04:15,770 --> 04:04:17,270 and saying no to this development 2997 04:04:17,270 --> 04:04:18,690 and I'm bringing up for comparison. 2998 04:04:18,690 --> 04:04:19,920 We've got a neighborhood here 2999 04:04:19,920 --> 04:04:24,190 and some of them would have been here to say, 3000 04:04:24,190 --> 04:04:26,760 hey, I hear Council saying we've got this short 3001 04:04:26,760 --> 04:04:26,940 little 3002 04:04:26,940 --> 04:04:28,770 stub street and we're asking to talk about 3003 04:04:28,770 --> 04:04:30,160 reducing bedrooms. 3004 04:04:30,160 --> 04:04:32,710 Then we've got the development in Stony Brook 3005 04:04:32,710 --> 04:04:35,450 where it was within the height. 3006 04:04:35,450 --> 04:04:37,320 The number of stories was approved. 3007 04:04:37,320 --> 04:04:39,010 The parking is about the same. 3008 04:04:39,010 --> 04:04:41,750 The lot coverage is the same. 3009 04:04:41,750 --> 04:04:48,060 The density of units per hectare is actually 358 3010 04:04:48,060 --> 04:04:49,780 units per hectare 3011 04:04:49,780 --> 04:04:50,970 in curling heights. 3012 04:04:50,970 --> 04:04:53,270 In fact, the original one that staff recommended 3013 04:04:53,270 --> 04:04:56,010 was 420 units per hectare. 3014 04:04:56,010 --> 04:04:58,910 Whereas the one on Geary in Stony Brook 3015 04:04:58,910 --> 04:05:03,740 was rejected as two intents at 235. 3016 04:05:03,740 --> 04:05:06,510 So I get to answer to the residents in Carling 3017 04:05:06,510 --> 04:05:09,080 Heights to say, "Why is staff saying it's 3018 04:05:09,080 --> 04:05:12,140 too intense in Stony Brook, but it's not too 3019 04:05:12,140 --> 04:05:14,520 intense in Carling Heights? 3020 04:05:14,520 --> 04:05:17,350 Why is Council wanting to reduce the number of 3021 04:05:17,350 --> 04:05:19,950 bedrooms in a church that doesn't change 3022 04:05:19,950 --> 04:05:21,910 its footprint and they're not concerned about 3023 04:05:21,910 --> 04:05:22,810 what I'm saying." 3024 04:05:22,810 --> 04:05:24,970 So, Councilor, I'm going to jump in because no 3025 04:05:24,970 --> 04:05:26,790 one is reducing the number of bedrooms 3026 04:05:26,790 --> 04:05:28,210 in that development. 3027 04:05:28,210 --> 04:05:30,190 That's the part that I need you to say focus on. 3028 04:05:30,190 --> 04:05:31,940 The Councillors are suggesting that they might 3029 04:05:31,940 --> 04:05:33,370 want to do that, but there was no motion 3030 04:05:33,370 --> 04:05:36,980 even on the floor to do that so I would say that 3031 04:05:36,980 --> 04:05:38,460 's keep it relevant to this 3032 04:05:38,460 --> 04:05:40,990 debate like because that wasn't even a matter 3033 04:05:40,990 --> 04:05:42,630 that we even considered it didn't 3034 04:05:42,630 --> 04:05:44,460 actually make the floor in fact a majority of 3035 04:05:44,460 --> 04:05:46,400 counsel said it wasn't even a valid 3036 04:05:46,400 --> 04:05:48,720 amendment so we did not do that we didn't even 3037 04:05:48,720 --> 04:05:49,940 consider it we didn't even 3038 04:05:49,940 --> 04:05:51,900 really debate it we debated the main motion 3039 04:05:51,900 --> 04:05:53,400 people referenced something 3040 04:05:53,400 --> 04:05:55,820 alternative they want to do but that actually 3041 04:05:55,820 --> 04:05:57,300 ultimately passed and there was 3042 04:05:57,300 --> 04:05:59,450 no motion on the floor so I think that's the part 3043 04:05:59,450 --> 04:06:00,490 where if we can keep it 3044 04:06:00,490 --> 04:06:03,790 focused on this and not bring up things that are 3045 04:06:03,790 --> 04:06:08,270 speculative or even attributing those things 3046 04:06:08,270 --> 04:06:10,110 to something Council did when we didn't actually 3047 04:06:10,110 --> 04:06:11,710 do it despite the fact that some Councillors 3048 04:06:11,710 --> 04:06:14,380 would have liked to, we got nowhere near making 3049 04:06:14,380 --> 04:06:16,660 that decision. 3050 04:06:16,660 --> 04:06:17,650 Thank you. 3051 04:06:17,650 --> 04:06:19,550 But I'm saying that these residents watched their 3052 04:06:19,550 --> 04:06:20,990 mayor and four Councillors willing 3053 04:06:20,990 --> 04:06:23,760 to consider that because of the concerns of a few 3054 04:06:23,760 --> 04:06:26,260 residents, even when the two neighbours 3055 04:06:26,260 --> 04:06:28,880 closest to that supported it. 3056 04:06:28,880 --> 04:06:31,590 So it is relevant when we've got lenders who are 3057 04:06:31,590 --> 04:06:33,130 saying, why not us? 3058 04:06:33,130 --> 04:06:34,760 Why aren't you listening to us? 3059 04:06:34,760 --> 04:06:37,380 How can you go say something as too intense when 3060 04:06:37,380 --> 04:06:39,650 it falls within all the parameters? 3061 04:06:39,650 --> 04:06:42,470 And here you're saying that it's okay when it 3062 04:06:42,470 --> 04:06:45,430 falls within all the parameters. 3063 04:06:45,430 --> 04:06:48,250 Lendeners are concerned about the policies that 3064 04:06:48,250 --> 04:06:50,600 this council has put in place that are 3065 04:06:50,600 --> 04:06:53,220 raising intensification in their neighborhoods. 3066 04:06:53,220 --> 04:06:55,650 One of the biggest reasons why I said no to this 3067 04:06:55,650 --> 04:06:57,880 is because the Heights Review framework 3068 04:06:57,880 --> 04:07:00,380 that came in August and was passed by Council in 3069 04:07:00,380 --> 04:07:03,530 September of 2024 was not transparent. 3070 04:07:03,530 --> 04:07:05,690 It wasn't transparent to the Councilor and I'll 3071 04:07:05,690 --> 04:07:08,010 own that I didn't know what was happening. 3072 04:07:08,010 --> 04:07:11,090 And the public certainly did not know that these 3073 04:07:11,090 --> 04:07:13,550 heights had been raised on corners in 3074 04:07:13,550 --> 04:07:14,540 their neighborhood. 3075 04:07:14,540 --> 04:07:16,290 And I'm a firm believer that if it's the right 3076 04:07:16,290 --> 04:07:17,730 thing to do, not everybody's going 3077 04:07:17,730 --> 04:07:19,770 to like it, but we're going to do it publicly and 3078 04:07:19,770 --> 04:07:21,190 say this is what's happening. 3079 04:07:21,190 --> 04:07:23,020 We believe it's the right thing and we're going 3080 04:07:23,020 --> 04:07:23,540 to do it. 3081 04:07:23,540 --> 04:07:27,240 So I'm asking for this council tonight to say no 3082 04:07:27,240 --> 04:07:30,610 to this because out of equity and 3083 04:07:30,610 --> 04:07:33,360 out of fairness, we get to have a look at this. 3084 04:07:33,360 --> 04:07:36,850 We get to talk about how we're applying and who 3085 04:07:36,850 --> 04:07:39,620 whose residents and what neighbors we're 3086 04:07:39,620 --> 04:07:42,160 listening to and what ones aren't. 3087 04:07:42,160 --> 04:07:45,230 And this is an equity issue as far as I'm 3088 04:07:45,230 --> 04:07:46,010 concerned. 3089 04:07:46,010 --> 04:07:47,830 So I'm asking for council support and saying no 3090 04:07:47,830 --> 04:07:48,330 to this. 3091 04:07:48,330 --> 04:07:51,090 It only passed three to two at council or 3092 04:07:51,090 --> 04:07:52,150 committee. 3093 04:07:52,150 --> 04:07:54,320 I do appreciate the fact that the developer made 3094 04:07:54,320 --> 04:07:56,210 changes and modified it. 3095 04:07:56,210 --> 04:08:00,350 It's still, most of these neighborhoods have 3096 04:08:00,350 --> 04:08:02,260 spoken really eloquently, they've said they're 3097 04:08:02,260 --> 04:08:04,870 not opposed to change, they're not opposed to 3098 04:08:04,870 --> 04:08:07,490 development, they're asking for the lower 3099 04:08:07,490 --> 04:08:11,430 height prior to this council putting through the 3100 04:08:11,430 --> 04:08:14,490 Heights framework review, without talking 3101 04:08:14,490 --> 04:08:15,490 to them. 3102 04:08:15,490 --> 04:08:17,320 So that's what they're asking for. 3103 04:08:17,320 --> 04:08:19,900 With Geary, staff made it easy, they said no, 3104 04:08:19,900 --> 04:08:21,780 made it easy for us to support. 3105 04:08:21,780 --> 04:08:24,410 I'm asking for consistency in this particular 3106 04:08:24,410 --> 04:08:27,520 meeting at council to say no to this one. 3107 04:08:27,520 --> 04:08:30,260 And then let's talk about this more about what -- 3108 04:08:30,260 --> 04:08:32,100 so that lenders have a better sense. 3109 04:08:32,100 --> 04:08:33,870 Not -- they don't know exactly what's coming, but 3110 04:08:33,870 --> 04:08:35,520 they have a better sense of what's happening 3111 04:08:35,520 --> 04:08:39,850 in their neighborhoods. 3112 04:08:39,850 --> 04:08:41,530 This group did a great job. 3113 04:08:41,530 --> 04:08:42,500 They were here. 3114 04:08:42,500 --> 04:08:46,720 They've shown up at meetings and -- and I don't 3115 04:08:46,720 --> 04:08:49,850 know what else to say except to say I don't 3116 04:08:49,850 --> 04:08:52,680 know how we can support one and not the other and 3117 04:08:52,680 --> 04:08:54,900 if it's site specific then I 3118 04:08:54,900 --> 04:08:56,930 guess this council right now is going to decide 3119 04:08:56,930 --> 04:08:58,560 whether this is appropriate for 3120 04:08:58,560 --> 04:09:01,010 Karlic Heights and whether the residents around 3121 04:09:01,010 --> 04:09:03,890 this building should be taken 3122 04:09:03,890 --> 04:09:08,500 into account as much as the ones on Richmond or 3123 04:09:08,500 --> 04:09:12,430 on Vancha. Okay I have 3124 04:09:12,430 --> 04:09:16,030 Councillor ramen and then Deputy Mayor Lewis. 3125 04:09:16,030 --> 04:09:17,860 Thank you and through you Mayor. 3126 04:09:17,860 --> 04:09:20,720 Let me start by saying this. When I make a 3127 04:09:20,720 --> 04:09:22,520 decision at council and I'm 3128 04:09:22,520 --> 04:09:25,900 speaking for myself. I make a decision taking 3129 04:09:25,900 --> 04:09:28,010 into consideration the entire city 3130 04:09:28,010 --> 04:09:30,610 and not just one part of the city. Yes we 3131 04:09:30,610 --> 04:09:32,510 represent boards but we represent the 3132 04:09:32,510 --> 04:09:34,970 entire community. When we're asked to look at a 3133 04:09:34,970 --> 04:09:36,610 development application we're 3134 04:09:36,610 --> 04:09:42,330 not applying an inconsistent approach because it 3135 04:09:42,330 --> 04:09:43,720 's in a certain 3136 04:09:43,720 --> 04:09:48,270 neighborhood. I'm not. That's my opinion. The 3137 04:09:48,270 --> 04:09:53,040 counselor and other counselors have 3138 04:09:53,040 --> 04:09:57,090 opportunities to move amendments, to make 3139 04:09:57,090 --> 04:09:59,120 different decisions, to bring issues to 3140 04:09:59,120 --> 04:10:02,810 their residents, to talk to their residents, to 3141 04:10:02,810 --> 04:10:04,290 move things that are 3142 04:10:04,290 --> 04:10:07,980 different. What I saw with this application was I 3143 04:10:07,980 --> 04:10:09,230 saw a referral come 3144 04:10:09,230 --> 04:10:13,280 for our first. The referral, which was supported, 3145 04:10:13,280 --> 04:10:16,070 to then bring back another 3146 04:10:16,070 --> 04:10:19,910 proposal, working with the developer, that's what 3147 04:10:19,910 --> 04:10:21,780 we have in front of us now, is 3148 04:10:21,780 --> 04:10:24,780 is this recommendation, that's what's on the 3149 04:10:24,780 --> 04:10:25,580 floor, 3150 04:10:25,580 --> 04:10:27,860 that's what I'd like to debate today. 3151 04:10:27,860 --> 04:10:30,640 I'm not supportive of what's here, 3152 04:10:30,640 --> 04:10:33,390 and it's not because the counselor 3153 04:10:33,390 --> 04:10:37,610 has highlighted an equity issue or a perceived 3154 04:10:37,610 --> 04:10:39,430 equity issue. 3155 04:10:39,430 --> 04:10:42,370 I'm looking at it from the perspective 3156 04:10:42,370 --> 04:10:44,820 of what's in front of me. 3157 04:10:44,820 --> 04:10:47,670 I see, and again, I brought this up 3158 04:10:47,670 --> 04:10:50,780 during the debate at P.C., 3159 04:10:50,780 --> 04:10:55,920 is that we are presented with a support 3160 04:10:55,920 --> 04:10:59,230 for the recommendation on the height, 3161 04:10:59,230 --> 04:11:03,340 but the special provisions are not clear to me 3162 04:11:03,340 --> 04:11:05,540 in terms of what will come back. 3163 04:11:05,540 --> 04:11:08,880 And so for that reason, I'm not supportive. 3164 04:11:08,880 --> 04:11:13,770 What I see is either, and I have had a chance 3165 04:11:13,770 --> 04:11:15,600 to talk to the developer about it, 3166 04:11:15,600 --> 04:11:19,050 I see a building that I'm not sure how it gets 3167 04:11:19,050 --> 04:11:22,470 to the same six stories with the footprint. 3168 04:11:22,470 --> 04:11:25,450 I still think the parking's inadequate for the 3169 04:11:25,450 --> 04:11:26,940 area. 3170 04:11:26,940 --> 04:11:29,350 I still see some issues with it here 3171 04:11:29,350 --> 04:11:30,810 and that's why I'm not supporting it. 3172 04:11:30,810 --> 04:11:34,060 But these other issues, comparing neighborhoods, 3173 04:11:34,060 --> 04:11:37,350 why divide the community when we can talk 3174 04:11:37,350 --> 04:11:38,970 about the planning rationale 3175 04:11:38,970 --> 04:11:42,330 and the planning information that's in front of 3176 04:11:42,330 --> 04:11:43,120 us. 3177 04:11:43,120 --> 04:11:44,740 Don't understand that rationale, 3178 04:11:44,740 --> 04:11:46,760 but I will debate the issue. 3179 04:11:46,760 --> 04:11:48,690 I will look at it from the perspective 3180 04:11:48,690 --> 04:11:50,310 of what's in front of us. 3181 04:11:50,310 --> 04:11:53,760 And I've been clear that I'm not supportive 3182 04:11:53,760 --> 04:11:56,050 about the application. 3183 04:11:56,050 --> 04:12:00,190 - Thank you, Mary Lewis. 3184 04:12:00,190 --> 04:12:02,720 - Thank you, Chair. 3185 04:12:02,720 --> 04:12:04,810 Sorry, I'm just trying to get my video working 3186 04:12:04,810 --> 04:12:07,670 here. 3187 04:12:07,670 --> 04:12:11,260 Okay, thank you, Chair. 3188 04:12:11,260 --> 04:12:12,220 I wasn't gonna speak to this. 3189 04:12:12,220 --> 04:12:14,470 I said my PSAT committee. 3190 04:12:14,470 --> 04:12:18,040 However, I have to speak to it now 3191 04:12:18,040 --> 04:12:21,870 because I didn't call a point of personal 3192 04:12:21,870 --> 04:12:22,370 privilege. 3193 04:12:22,370 --> 04:12:24,400 I perhaps should have. 3194 04:12:24,400 --> 04:12:26,540 The Heights Plan review was absolutely 3195 04:12:26,540 --> 04:12:28,130 transparent. 3196 04:12:28,130 --> 04:12:31,090 it was subject to the same public participation 3197 04:12:31,090 --> 04:12:32,000 meeting, 3198 04:12:32,000 --> 04:12:34,640 same sort of notifications and public 3199 04:12:34,640 --> 04:12:36,000 announcements 3200 04:12:36,000 --> 04:12:41,170 that this actual planning application was. 3201 04:12:41,170 --> 04:12:43,010 It followed the same process 3202 04:12:43,010 --> 04:12:45,740 that the Urban Growth Boundary expansion 3203 04:12:45,740 --> 04:12:52,640 and other matters that come before PEC take that, 3204 04:12:52,640 --> 04:12:54,040 and I agree with Councilor Rollman, 3205 04:12:54,040 --> 04:12:56,680 if Councilors didn't feel that was enough, 3206 04:12:56,680 --> 04:12:58,190 they always have the opportunity 3207 04:12:58,190 --> 04:13:01,290 to do further engagement with their residents. 3208 04:13:01,290 --> 04:13:02,880 Councilor Rollman and I disagree on this one, 3209 04:13:02,880 --> 04:13:03,700 but that's okay. 3210 04:13:03,700 --> 04:13:07,870 expect where she's saying she's not comfortable 3211 04:13:07,870 --> 04:13:11,410 with the parking, and we just had a discussion 3212 04:13:11,410 --> 04:13:13,120 at Peck yesterday that will come to the next 3213 04:13:13,120 --> 04:13:15,100 council meeting about changing the parking 3214 04:13:15,100 --> 04:13:16,350 ratio again. 3215 04:13:16,350 --> 04:13:20,720 But we have to evaluate this occasion through the 3216 04:13:20,720 --> 04:13:23,840 planning rules that are in place today, 3217 04:13:23,840 --> 04:13:26,700 which say that this has more than sufficient 3218 04:13:26,700 --> 04:13:30,610 parking because it is above the .5 ratio. 3219 04:13:30,610 --> 04:13:33,370 It also says the six stories is allowed based on 3220 04:13:33,370 --> 04:13:35,810 the street classification of cheap side 3221 04:13:35,810 --> 04:13:38,070 under the London Plan Heights review 3222 04:13:38,070 --> 04:13:41,880 that was signed off by this council in 2024 3223 04:13:41,880 --> 04:13:45,310 and by the province in 2025. 3224 04:13:45,310 --> 04:13:48,520 So we are being consistent with our decisions 3225 04:13:48,520 --> 04:13:49,420 here. 3226 04:13:49,420 --> 04:13:52,190 And that's why I supported this staff 3227 04:13:52,190 --> 04:13:53,340 recommendation 3228 04:13:53,340 --> 04:13:56,610 because it approves the height, the zoning, 3229 04:13:56,610 --> 04:13:58,610 but it still says you can't be this close 3230 04:13:58,610 --> 04:13:59,670 to some of the setbacks. 3231 04:13:59,670 --> 04:14:01,390 You have some things to work out in your design 3232 04:14:01,390 --> 04:14:03,200 detail here. 3233 04:14:03,200 --> 04:14:06,870 And maybe that means that units won't have balcon 3234 04:14:06,870 --> 04:14:06,990 ies 3235 04:14:06,990 --> 04:14:07,810 on one side. 3236 04:14:07,810 --> 04:14:09,940 Maybe it means that they're changing 3237 04:14:09,940 --> 04:14:11,700 the orientation of the building on the property 3238 04:14:11,700 --> 04:14:12,610 slightly. 3239 04:14:12,610 --> 04:14:14,940 But that's a matter that can be resolved through 3240 04:14:14,940 --> 04:14:15,960 site plan 3241 04:14:15,960 --> 04:14:19,050 without requiring special provisions if they can 3242 04:14:19,050 --> 04:14:20,220 meet that. 3243 04:14:20,220 --> 04:14:21,860 Maybe they'll reduce the units further 3244 04:14:21,860 --> 04:14:25,830 by another unit on each end, I don't know. 3245 04:14:25,830 --> 04:14:27,620 But that will be up to them to decide 3246 04:14:27,620 --> 04:14:29,820 through the detailed design and site plan process 3247 04:14:29,820 --> 04:14:32,830 with our staff by not giving them the special 3248 04:14:32,830 --> 04:14:34,860 provisions. 3249 04:14:34,860 --> 04:14:38,980 To refuse it based on the height or the parking 3250 04:14:38,980 --> 04:14:41,250 is not actually supported by our official plan. 3251 04:14:41,250 --> 04:14:43,700 And so I would encourage colleagues 3252 04:14:43,700 --> 04:14:46,480 to support the committee recommendation here. 3253 04:14:46,480 --> 04:14:49,630 And I would also really echo your earlier 3254 04:14:49,630 --> 04:14:50,190 comments 3255 04:14:50,190 --> 04:14:52,950 that we need to be cautious. 3256 04:14:52,950 --> 04:14:54,680 I chose not to use the point of personal 3257 04:14:54,680 --> 04:14:55,310 privilege this time 3258 04:14:55,310 --> 04:14:57,130 'cause I don't want this meeting to go till 11 p. 3259 04:14:57,130 --> 04:14:58,250 m. tonight. 3260 04:14:58,250 --> 04:15:04,380 Let's be careful about what we're saying. 3261 04:15:04,380 --> 04:15:07,470 - Okay, other speakers to this matter. 3262 04:15:07,470 --> 04:15:09,780 Go ahead, Councillor Frank. 3263 04:15:09,780 --> 04:15:10,740 - Thank you, yes. 3264 04:15:10,740 --> 04:15:12,340 I'll be supporting this application. 3265 04:15:12,340 --> 04:15:14,680 And I think that the improvements that have been 3266 04:15:14,680 --> 04:15:14,810 made 3267 04:15:14,810 --> 04:15:16,930 since the referral demonstrate that the developer 3268 04:15:16,930 --> 04:15:18,650 is willing to make some adjustments. 3269 04:15:18,650 --> 04:15:21,120 I was happy to see the open space move forward 3270 04:15:21,120 --> 04:15:22,960 and meet our 30% minimum. 3271 04:15:22,960 --> 04:15:25,190 I also would share that a long ride out, 3272 04:15:25,190 --> 04:15:26,710 which is also a neighborhood connector. 3273 04:15:26,710 --> 04:15:28,590 We have an 18-story apartment building, 3274 04:15:28,590 --> 04:15:30,660 a couple 12-story apartment buildings, 3275 04:15:30,660 --> 04:15:32,060 a 16-story apartment building. 3276 04:15:32,060 --> 04:15:34,340 So for a similar road type, 3277 04:15:34,340 --> 04:15:35,730 we have in Old South, 3278 04:15:35,730 --> 04:15:37,570 a variety of apartment buildings that are much, 3279 04:15:37,570 --> 04:15:38,530 much higher. 3280 04:15:38,530 --> 04:15:40,960 And they are surrounded by single-family homes. 3281 04:15:40,960 --> 04:15:42,040 And they fit in nicely. 3282 04:15:42,040 --> 04:15:43,200 There's a bus route. 3283 04:15:43,200 --> 04:15:45,350 There is bike paths. 3284 04:15:45,350 --> 04:15:47,550 and both this cheap side application, 3285 04:15:47,550 --> 04:15:48,990 as well as those ones I'm referencing, 3286 04:15:48,990 --> 04:15:50,940 are about 10 minute walk from commercial areas 3287 04:15:50,940 --> 04:15:52,380 close to schools. 3288 04:15:52,380 --> 04:15:54,890 So I do see having apartment buildings in areas 3289 04:15:54,890 --> 04:15:57,460 with single family homes to be quite nice in some 3290 04:15:57,460 --> 04:15:57,810 areas. 3291 04:15:57,810 --> 04:16:02,760 And I think it would be nice in this one too. 3292 04:16:02,760 --> 04:16:03,870 - Any other speakers to this matter? 3293 04:16:03,870 --> 04:16:08,030 Go ahead, Councilor Trossa. 3294 04:16:08,030 --> 04:16:10,470 - Thank you, Mayor, through you. 3295 04:16:10,470 --> 04:16:12,320 Many of the points I wanted to make 3296 04:16:12,320 --> 04:16:15,880 were made by Councilor Ramen, but very well. 3297 04:16:15,880 --> 04:16:18,800 I'm not gonna be supporting this application. 3298 04:16:18,800 --> 04:16:23,930 And it's not because of, I'm not gonna be 3299 04:16:23,930 --> 04:16:24,400 supporting 3300 04:16:24,400 --> 04:16:26,110 this application 'cause I think it's 3301 04:16:26,110 --> 04:16:27,230 inappropriate 3302 04:16:27,230 --> 04:16:28,180 for this neighborhood. 3303 04:16:28,180 --> 04:16:30,230 And that's not a real technical way of going 3304 04:16:30,230 --> 04:16:30,870 through 3305 04:16:30,870 --> 04:16:33,750 all the different criteria, but I go through here 3306 04:16:33,750 --> 04:16:38,210 all over the time and the houses in that area, 3307 04:16:38,210 --> 04:16:41,080 not only are they detached single family 3308 04:16:41,080 --> 04:16:41,900 dwellings, 3309 04:16:41,900 --> 04:16:44,600 but they're small, they're small. 3310 04:16:44,600 --> 04:16:49,190 This application is gonna just totally transform 3311 04:16:49,190 --> 04:16:53,560 in a negative way, the look and feel, 3312 04:16:53,560 --> 04:16:57,520 and just how people relate to this neighborhood. 3313 04:16:57,520 --> 04:16:59,370 And I think it's sort of like it's 3314 04:16:59,370 --> 04:17:01,930 going to be a placemaker thing, because I 3315 04:17:01,930 --> 04:17:05,110 think we're going to be seeing other ones. 3316 04:17:05,110 --> 04:17:12,440 And I sort of, I liked the way this neighborhood 3317 04:17:12,440 --> 04:17:14,210 feels. 3318 04:17:14,210 --> 04:17:15,910 I would prefer to see a little bit more 3319 04:17:15,910 --> 04:17:17,090 maintenance done 3320 04:17:17,090 --> 04:17:19,310 in some of the units, particularly some 3321 04:17:19,310 --> 04:17:22,830 of the rental units and some of the units held by 3322 04:17:22,830 --> 04:17:23,810 absentee 3323 04:17:23,810 --> 04:17:27,800 owners, but for the most part, I think 3324 04:17:27,800 --> 04:17:30,410 this would be very disruptive. 3325 04:17:30,410 --> 04:17:35,660 And I don't think saying, well, that's what I 3326 04:17:35,660 --> 04:17:35,920 think. 3327 04:17:35,920 --> 04:17:39,410 But the point I want to stress is my opposition 3328 04:17:39,410 --> 04:17:40,780 to this 3329 04:17:40,780 --> 04:17:47,310 is not based on anything other than my feeling 3330 04:17:47,310 --> 04:17:48,880 about this 3331 04:17:48,880 --> 04:17:53,570 file and this file only and you can disagree 3332 04:17:53,570 --> 04:17:55,990 with me on my assessment of this file. 3333 04:17:55,990 --> 04:17:59,240 Most of you probably would as we'll find out 3334 04:17:59,240 --> 04:18:01,160 when we do the vote in a few minutes. 3335 04:18:01,160 --> 04:18:05,020 But like this is a heartfelt, honest assessment 3336 04:18:05,020 --> 04:18:07,330 that I'm making that I cannot support this 3337 04:18:07,330 --> 04:18:08,400 project. 3338 04:18:08,400 --> 04:18:13,410 So thank you. 3339 04:18:13,410 --> 04:18:17,580 - Hey, any other speakers? 3340 04:18:17,580 --> 04:18:19,680 - Yep, Councilor Preble, go ahead. 3341 04:18:19,680 --> 04:18:21,440 - Thank you, Mayor. 3342 04:18:21,440 --> 04:18:22,950 Even though I will be passed on, 3343 04:18:22,950 --> 04:18:25,520 but on the issue that we're mentioned here, 3344 04:18:25,520 --> 04:18:26,860 I do wanna mention a couple of things. 3345 04:18:26,860 --> 04:18:29,120 And again, maybe for their neighborhood as well. 3346 04:18:29,120 --> 04:18:30,270 That's up here. 3347 04:18:30,270 --> 04:18:32,590 It was stated with another-- sorry, with another 3348 04:18:32,590 --> 04:18:33,010 application 3349 04:18:33,010 --> 04:18:34,200 that I was seeing earlier. 3350 04:18:34,200 --> 04:18:36,290 I think the biggest difference is if you look at 3351 04:18:36,290 --> 04:18:36,610 it, 3352 04:18:36,610 --> 04:18:41,370 is that one looks at how many units per hectare. 3353 04:18:41,370 --> 04:18:44,890 So again, this one is almost half of the other 3354 04:18:44,890 --> 04:18:44,990 one. 3355 04:18:44,930 --> 04:18:46,200 Was the other one was 395. 3356 04:18:46,200 --> 04:18:47,750 This one is 235. 3357 04:18:47,750 --> 04:18:50,900 The other one had a height, higher, et cetera. 3358 04:18:50,900 --> 04:18:53,330 But so I really don't think, again, no two 3359 04:18:53,330 --> 04:18:54,410 projects. 3360 04:18:54,410 --> 04:18:56,370 No two infilles are apples to apples. 3361 04:18:56,370 --> 04:18:58,360 but there's a really big differentiation. 3362 04:18:58,360 --> 04:19:01,030 There really is, honestly, one thing is I want to 3363 04:19:01,030 --> 04:19:01,130 know, 3364 04:19:01,030 --> 04:19:03,500 we already heard that some of the counselors that 3365 04:19:03,500 --> 04:19:03,820 said, 3366 04:19:03,820 --> 04:19:06,450 and I'm absolutely on the same page in terms of, 3367 04:19:06,450 --> 04:19:09,120 I don't really make my decisions based on the 3368 04:19:09,120 --> 04:19:10,000 neighborhoods, 3369 04:19:10,000 --> 04:19:12,270 or, you know, which part of London it is. 3370 04:19:12,270 --> 04:19:14,860 But also, I want to say one thing is the staff. 3371 04:19:14,860 --> 04:19:18,110 And if you look, every application starts with 3372 04:19:18,110 --> 04:19:18,610 the staff 3373 04:19:18,610 --> 04:19:21,760 that's based on housing policy, the concrete 3374 04:19:21,760 --> 04:19:22,260 facts, 3375 04:19:22,260 --> 04:19:25,450 and that's if it's a refusal, recommendation, 3376 04:19:25,450 --> 04:19:29,010 whatever it is, it's black on white based on the 3377 04:19:29,010 --> 04:19:29,960 policy. 3378 04:19:29,960 --> 04:19:31,490 And they go by the policy. 3379 04:19:31,490 --> 04:19:32,440 We can support it. 3380 04:19:32,440 --> 04:19:33,700 We don't have to support it. 3381 04:19:33,700 --> 04:19:37,820 But there is no way I will ever agree that other 3382 04:19:37,820 --> 04:19:38,270 staff, 3383 04:19:38,270 --> 04:19:40,560 or certainly speaking on myself, 3384 04:19:40,560 --> 04:19:42,130 that I will be making decisions 3385 04:19:42,130 --> 04:19:45,060 based on which part of London it is. 3386 04:19:45,060 --> 04:19:48,160 Yes, I can say that if it's in our ward, 3387 04:19:48,160 --> 04:19:49,870 I believe that we would fight more, 3388 04:19:49,870 --> 04:19:51,860 which is again, there is nothing wrong with it, 3389 04:19:51,860 --> 04:19:52,700 because guess what? 3390 04:19:52,700 --> 04:19:54,850 Those are our constituents and we do go, 3391 04:19:54,850 --> 04:19:57,030 We go for everyone, we go extra mouth, 3392 04:19:57,030 --> 04:19:59,080 for our ward, we go extra two miles. 3393 04:19:59,080 --> 04:20:01,160 I do understand that, but I really wanna clear 3394 04:20:01,160 --> 04:20:01,370 this 3395 04:20:01,370 --> 04:20:04,310 that I totally don't believe that any one of us 3396 04:20:04,310 --> 04:20:07,640 nor the staff would make such decisions. 3397 04:20:07,640 --> 04:20:09,160 That's not true. 3398 04:20:09,160 --> 04:20:12,400 I do, I will, what's in front of us. 3399 04:20:12,400 --> 04:20:15,910 And I do agree that there are certain things 3400 04:20:15,910 --> 04:20:18,840 that are, again, what I call maximizing the 3401 04:20:18,840 --> 04:20:19,970 opportunities. 3402 04:20:19,970 --> 04:20:22,790 But similar, what Council of Frank said few 3403 04:20:22,790 --> 04:20:23,610 minutes ago, 3404 04:20:23,610 --> 04:20:26,480 I did see the progress in terms of what it was 3405 04:20:26,480 --> 04:20:26,930 made 3406 04:20:26,930 --> 04:20:31,450 and I will be supporting what is in front of us. 3407 04:20:31,450 --> 04:20:35,150 Thank you. 3408 04:20:35,150 --> 04:20:41,220 - Any other speakers? 3409 04:20:41,220 --> 04:20:42,900 Okay, seeing none, we're gonna open this for 3410 04:20:42,900 --> 04:20:58,380 voting. 3411 04:20:58,380 --> 04:20:59,170 - Opposed in the vote. 3412 04:20:59,170 --> 04:21:03,230 Motion carries nine to four. 3413 04:21:03,230 --> 04:21:04,040 - Councillor Layman. 3414 04:21:04,040 --> 04:21:04,860 - Thank you Mayor. 3415 04:21:04,860 --> 04:21:06,100 Moving on to number 12. 3416 04:21:06,100 --> 04:21:09,730 This is regarding Councillor Robbins' third party 3417 04:21:09,730 --> 04:21:10,050 appeal 3418 04:21:10,050 --> 04:21:12,870 mechanism and the Councillor has requested as 3419 04:21:12,870 --> 04:21:19,020 people. 3420 04:21:19,020 --> 04:21:20,780 - Okay, that's on the floor. 3421 04:21:20,780 --> 04:21:22,220 I'll look to any speakers. 3422 04:21:22,220 --> 04:21:24,530 Go ahead, Councillor Robbins. 3423 04:21:24,530 --> 04:21:25,720 - Thank you and through you. 3424 04:21:25,720 --> 04:21:28,170 I was looking to move an amendment 3425 04:21:28,170 --> 04:21:31,060 and it's the amendment that was discussed 3426 04:21:31,060 --> 04:21:35,120 or put on the floor by the mayor at that meeting 3427 04:21:35,120 --> 04:21:38,270 and I'm just wondering if I could read it. 3428 04:21:38,270 --> 04:21:39,630 Okay, that municipal council 3429 04:21:39,630 --> 04:21:40,820 endorse the following actions 3430 04:21:40,820 --> 04:21:42,890 with respect to third party appeal mechanisms 3431 04:21:42,890 --> 04:21:45,200 during the Ontario Land Tribunal process A, 3432 04:21:45,200 --> 04:21:47,310 the mayor be requested to write today 3433 04:21:47,310 --> 04:21:49,140 Association Municipalities of Ontario 3434 04:21:49,140 --> 04:21:50,960 requesting that it consider advocating 3435 04:21:50,960 --> 04:21:53,550 for the restoration of a limited third party 3436 04:21:53,550 --> 04:21:53,910 appeal 3437 04:21:53,910 --> 04:21:56,950 mechanism to the Ontario land tribunal that I 3438 04:21:56,950 --> 04:21:58,490 applies to individuals residing 3439 04:21:58,490 --> 04:22:01,820 within the statutory notice area who have 3440 04:22:01,820 --> 04:22:03,790 demonstrated prior participation in 3441 04:22:03,790 --> 04:22:06,580 the municipal planning process. I I incorporate 3442 04:22:06,580 --> 04:22:08,260 appropriate safeguards to 3443 04:22:08,260 --> 04:22:11,530 discourage frivolous, vexatious or delayed driven 3444 04:22:11,530 --> 04:22:13,480 appeals and I I support the 3445 04:22:13,480 --> 04:22:16,430 province's objective objective of facilitating 3446 04:22:16,430 --> 04:22:17,560 timely and efficient 3447 04:22:17,560 --> 04:22:21,610 housing development and the communication be 3448 04:22:21,610 --> 04:22:23,720 received in the rest of the motion. 3449 04:22:23,720 --> 04:22:27,480 >> Sure. So you want to put that on the floor. 3450 04:22:27,480 --> 04:22:30,550 That was what went to committee and did not 3451 04:22:30,550 --> 04:22:31,840 proceed. 3452 04:22:31,840 --> 04:22:34,350 I'll second it just to get it on the floor, 3453 04:22:34,350 --> 04:22:36,250 so you're moving it on all second. 3454 04:22:36,250 --> 04:22:38,320 So we can have a debate on that. 3455 04:22:38,320 --> 04:22:39,990 Do you want to start the debate? 3456 04:22:39,990 --> 04:22:42,310 No, you're going to preserve your, okay. 3457 04:22:42,310 --> 04:22:44,700 I'll look to other speakers on this. 3458 04:22:44,700 --> 04:22:46,000 Go ahead. Definitely where Lewis. 3459 04:22:46,000 --> 04:22:49,120 >> Thank you, worship. I'm just going to repeat 3460 04:22:49,120 --> 04:22:49,520 what I said at 3461 04:22:49,520 --> 04:22:52,350 committee, but I'm going to emphasize it in light 3462 04:22:52,350 --> 04:22:52,470 of 3463 04:22:52,470 --> 04:22:55,960 the discussion we had yesterday around the GMIS, 3464 04:22:55,960 --> 04:22:59,590 and questions raised about the province making us 3465 04:22:59,590 --> 04:23:02,470 whole and discussions happening not just in 3466 04:23:02,470 --> 04:23:06,890 London but at AMO about that commitment. We can't 3467 04:23:06,890 --> 04:23:09,920 send a letter to the province on every issue 3468 04:23:09,920 --> 04:23:13,840 and I don't think we are doing ourselves any 3469 04:23:13,840 --> 04:23:18,590 favors by having you send a letter to AMO 3470 04:23:18,590 --> 04:23:23,200 saying advocate for this. I think it simply goes 3471 04:23:23,200 --> 04:23:28,280 to AMO gets probably bogged down there in the 3472 04:23:28,280 --> 04:23:30,810 200 other things that municipalities are asking 3473 04:23:30,810 --> 04:23:35,350 able to law before, and even if it saw the light 3474 04:23:35,350 --> 04:23:39,470 of day, when we're asking the province to make us 3475 04:23:39,470 --> 04:23:41,730 whole on D.C.'s to develop housing, 3476 04:23:41,730 --> 04:23:47,240 like asking them to restore third-party appeal 3477 04:23:47,240 --> 04:23:53,750 processes at the O.L.T., flies contrary to asking 3478 04:23:53,750 --> 04:23:55,470 them to make us whole on D.C.'s when they're 3479 04:23:55,470 --> 04:23:57,750 trying to streamline housing processes. We know 3480 04:23:57,750 --> 04:24:00,420 that the third-party appeals created a huge 3481 04:24:00,420 --> 04:24:02,890 backlog, a huge amount of red tape, and 3482 04:24:02,890 --> 04:24:03,430 complaints 3483 04:24:04,610 --> 04:24:07,640 across the province. I don't think that this is 3484 04:24:07,640 --> 04:24:11,630 an area where we should be poking the province 3485 04:24:11,630 --> 04:24:14,060 and saying, "Hey, you did a bad thing, you took 3486 04:24:14,060 --> 04:24:16,360 away these things." Well, at the same time, 3487 04:24:16,360 --> 04:24:18,610 saying to the province, "By the way, you want us 3488 04:24:18,610 --> 04:24:20,810 to speed up housing, you want us to make it 3489 04:24:20,810 --> 04:24:24,100 more affordable, you want us to cut DCs, so make 3490 04:24:24,100 --> 04:24:27,780 us whole." We can only ask for so much at the 3491 04:24:27,780 --> 04:24:31,080 end of the day. There's only so many lobby 3492 04:24:31,080 --> 04:24:34,230 positions and meetings that you can have at AMO 3493 04:24:34,230 --> 04:24:37,850 or yourself your worship with the minister or any 3494 04:24:37,850 --> 04:24:40,270 of us anywhere. We have to recognize that 3495 04:24:40,270 --> 04:24:45,380 the province has made a decision. We can write 3496 04:24:45,380 --> 04:24:48,370 letters to them. They're not going to change it. 3497 04:24:48,370 --> 04:24:50,710 Let's be pragmatic about that. And so I don't 3498 04:24:50,710 --> 04:24:53,010 think that this is a good use, frankly, of anyone 3499 04:24:53,010 --> 04:24:53,120 's 3500 04:24:53,120 --> 04:24:55,670 time. And I'm just going to leave it at that. I 3501 04:24:55,670 --> 04:24:56,920 won't be supporting this. 3502 04:24:56,920 --> 04:25:02,170 Other speakers. Go ahead, Councillor Trust. 3503 04:25:03,410 --> 04:25:08,380 Well, through the mayor again, for me, this is a 3504 04:25:08,380 --> 04:25:11,700 question of fundamental justice, 3505 04:25:11,700 --> 04:25:15,880 access to justice, not closing the courthouse 3506 04:25:15,880 --> 04:25:18,810 door to litigants because of the side of the 3507 04:25:18,810 --> 04:25:22,900 dispute that they have beyond. When we have these 3508 04:25:22,900 --> 04:25:26,750 contested hearings, quasi-judicial proceedings, 3509 04:25:26,750 --> 04:25:34,100 people should not feel that they shouldn't raise 3510 04:25:34,100 --> 04:25:38,580 issues because if I raise my issue and I prevail 3511 04:25:38,580 --> 04:25:42,290 at council, I'm going to be taken to the OLT. 3512 04:25:42,290 --> 04:25:45,940 That's a club. Appeal rights are not supposed 3513 04:25:45,940 --> 04:25:50,550 to be clubs. They're supposed to be mechanisms 3514 04:25:50,550 --> 04:25:54,950 that the parties can use to correct errors 3515 04:25:54,950 --> 04:26:00,300 or prejudice below. And I feel that this entire 3516 04:26:00,300 --> 04:26:07,760 provincial administration in its intensity 3517 04:26:07,760 --> 04:26:10,120 to want to do something fundamentally good and 3518 04:26:10,120 --> 04:26:12,470 that it's built more housing has gone 3519 04:26:12,470 --> 04:26:15,630 too far. And the one place that they've gone too 3520 04:26:15,630 --> 04:26:17,110 far that I feel very strongly 3521 04:26:17,110 --> 04:26:21,880 about is that you don't take party's procedural 3522 04:26:21,880 --> 04:26:24,210 rights away. You don't say 3523 04:26:24,210 --> 04:26:28,090 well there's too much crime on the street so let 3524 04:26:28,090 --> 04:26:29,530 's just say people can't 3525 04:26:29,530 --> 04:26:33,410 file appeals anymore. You don't say there are 3526 04:26:33,410 --> 04:26:34,730 some bad tenants and some of 3527 04:26:34,730 --> 04:26:38,330 them don't pay rent. So you therefore take away 3528 04:26:38,330 --> 04:26:40,780 their ability to seek 3529 04:26:40,780 --> 04:26:45,810 procedural justice. And in the case of the OMB, 3530 04:26:45,810 --> 04:26:50,120 the LPAT, and now the OLT, it's the same thing. 3531 04:26:50,120 --> 04:26:57,080 People need to be able to make the arguments. And 3532 04:26:57,080 --> 04:26:59,180 yes, if you're making a frivolous argument, 3533 04:26:59,180 --> 04:27:02,870 the board has all sorts of mechanisms that it can 3534 04:27:02,870 --> 04:27:06,000 already use to discourage that and sanction 3535 04:27:06,000 --> 04:27:10,220 you. And it will do that. They have done it. And 3536 04:27:10,220 --> 04:27:12,520 I know, as somebody who's appeared at the OMB, 3537 04:27:14,860 --> 04:27:18,120 that you want to be careful when you raise an 3538 04:27:18,120 --> 04:27:19,220 appeal to the OMB. 3539 04:27:19,220 --> 04:27:24,450 You wanted to have some sort of basis. 3540 04:27:24,450 --> 04:27:26,890 Now the problem with the way the procedure works 3541 04:27:26,890 --> 04:27:27,160 now, 3542 04:27:27,160 --> 04:27:29,020 and I was corrected for a little while, 3543 04:27:29,020 --> 04:27:31,800 but now we're back to de no-go hearings. 3544 04:27:31,800 --> 04:27:34,230 And I think that if we were looking at 3545 04:27:34,230 --> 04:27:36,080 you want to get to do these appeals, 3546 04:27:36,080 --> 04:27:39,370 if there's been some type of jurisdictional issue 3547 04:27:39,370 --> 04:27:41,340 or law, 3548 04:27:41,340 --> 04:27:42,320 that's one thing. 3549 04:27:42,320 --> 04:27:46,240 But now we're back to the old OMB rules 3550 04:27:46,240 --> 04:27:49,830 where there's a de novo hearing, a new hearing 3551 04:27:49,830 --> 04:27:53,370 and I just think that like to take people's 3552 04:27:53,370 --> 04:27:57,700 appeal rights away is it's just a violation of 3553 04:27:57,700 --> 04:28:01,150 fundamental rights and I have no doubt 3554 04:28:01,150 --> 04:28:03,500 that if somebody wanted to litigate this and let 3555 04:28:03,500 --> 04:28:06,990 's face it, who's going to litigate it? 3556 04:28:06,990 --> 04:28:09,620 You're a neighbor and you've lost at City Council 3557 04:28:09,620 --> 04:28:12,430 . You probably don't have the means 3558 04:28:12,430 --> 04:28:16,140 or the wherewithal or the time to be able to 3559 04:28:16,140 --> 04:28:20,550 launch a challenge but we should be asking 3560 04:28:20,550 --> 04:28:25,200 the province to act in accord with fundamental 3561 04:28:25,200 --> 04:28:28,860 principles of justice and in saying, well, 3562 04:28:28,860 --> 04:28:31,070 there are other things that are more important. 3563 04:28:31,070 --> 04:28:34,370 Maybe to you, there are. But these are important 3564 04:28:34,370 --> 04:28:39,260 rights that all of our rights bearing residents 3565 04:28:39,260 --> 04:28:46,490 have. So this is not good, that people can't 3566 04:28:46,490 --> 04:28:51,250 follow procedural rule that should go without 3567 04:28:51,250 --> 04:28:54,490 saying. And if you're wrong, you'll lose. 3568 04:28:54,490 --> 04:28:56,160 And if you do something frivolous, you'll be 3569 04:28:56,160 --> 04:28:57,070 sanctioned. 3570 04:28:57,070 --> 04:29:01,410 But you don't take away the litigation rights of 3571 04:29:01,410 --> 04:29:05,420 an entire class of people because you want 3572 04:29:05,420 --> 04:29:07,460 to rush things through and you want to build more 3573 04:29:07,460 --> 04:29:08,600 housing. 3574 04:29:08,600 --> 04:29:12,060 So with that, I want to thank the mayor and Coun 3575 04:29:12,060 --> 04:29:15,370 cillor Ramen again for bringing this forward. 3576 04:29:15,370 --> 04:29:17,970 I think this is definitely something that we 3577 04:29:17,970 --> 04:29:20,820 should be raising at AMO and other places. 3578 04:29:20,820 --> 04:29:24,150 And I feel very strongly that we have to at least 3579 04:29:24,150 --> 04:29:27,020 give people their day in court. 3580 04:29:27,020 --> 04:29:29,500 Thank you very much. 3581 04:29:29,500 --> 04:29:34,660 other speakers to this one, go ahead Councillor 3582 04:29:34,660 --> 04:29:36,260 Hopkins. 3583 04:29:36,260 --> 04:29:37,720 - Yeah, thank you Your Worship, 3584 04:29:37,720 --> 04:29:39,980 and thank you for committing to do this, 3585 04:29:39,980 --> 04:29:42,150 and thank you Councillor Raman as well. 3586 04:29:42,150 --> 04:29:44,030 I'm very supportive. 3587 04:29:44,030 --> 04:29:46,520 I'd like to more or less just start with the 3588 04:29:46,520 --> 04:29:47,020 rights 3589 04:29:47,020 --> 04:29:51,480 that individuals have, and that was taken away. 3590 04:29:51,480 --> 04:29:53,990 When I speak to a number of residents, 3591 04:29:53,990 --> 04:29:56,800 they're quite surprised that there is no appeal 3592 04:29:56,800 --> 04:29:57,810 process 3593 04:29:57,810 --> 04:30:01,330 that they have, the public participation meeting 3594 04:30:01,330 --> 04:30:05,130 with an OZ change is their only opportunity. 3595 04:30:05,130 --> 04:30:07,140 They don't even have a site plan process. 3596 04:30:07,140 --> 04:30:10,190 Sure, we could put a H5 on, 3597 04:30:10,190 --> 04:30:13,770 but a lot of their rights have been taken away. 3598 04:30:13,770 --> 04:30:17,620 This gives the community an opportunity. 3599 04:30:17,620 --> 04:30:22,530 And an appeal process is a lengthy costly. 3600 04:30:22,530 --> 04:30:27,710 It is a process that individuals take seriously 3601 04:30:27,710 --> 04:30:28,150 too. 3602 04:30:28,150 --> 04:30:31,800 I would really like to see what the numbers are 3603 04:30:31,800 --> 04:30:36,410 that we're slowing down the development process 3604 04:30:36,410 --> 04:30:41,600 of all the units that we must build by not doing 3605 04:30:41,600 --> 04:30:42,130 this. 3606 04:30:42,130 --> 04:30:45,030 It just seems, it's quite obvious 3607 04:30:45,030 --> 04:30:48,570 that we should have a mechanism there for 3608 04:30:48,570 --> 04:30:49,480 individuals 3609 04:30:49,480 --> 04:30:50,710 to have rights. 3610 04:30:50,710 --> 04:30:56,420 We just had an application that we decided not to 3611 04:30:56,420 --> 04:30:57,010 even 3612 04:30:57,010 --> 04:31:02,340 listen to an OMB hearing and a decision. 3613 04:31:02,340 --> 04:31:04,790 Councils have that right to decide 3614 04:31:04,790 --> 04:31:06,560 if that is an important decision. 3615 04:31:06,560 --> 04:31:09,290 Yes, our planning policies change. 3616 04:31:09,290 --> 04:31:11,550 But there are opportunities, 3617 04:31:11,550 --> 04:31:14,800 and I think the most important opportunity here, 3618 04:31:14,800 --> 04:31:17,010 in fact, there's two important opportunities. 3619 04:31:17,010 --> 04:31:19,720 It's the rights of individuals. 3620 04:31:19,720 --> 04:31:22,470 But the second part is, at AMO, 3621 04:31:22,470 --> 04:31:24,640 we did have conversations. 3622 04:31:24,640 --> 04:31:26,470 There are other municipalities 3623 04:31:26,470 --> 04:31:28,620 that are bringing forward motions and having 3624 04:31:28,620 --> 04:31:29,240 support. 3625 04:31:29,240 --> 04:31:33,220 So with those voices come louder and stronger 3626 04:31:33,220 --> 04:31:33,590 voices. 3627 04:31:33,590 --> 04:31:38,150 So I think Councillor Rallman and the Mayor for 3628 04:31:38,150 --> 04:31:38,520 doing this. 3629 04:31:38,520 --> 04:31:44,170 - Others because of this, go ahead, Councillor 3630 04:31:44,170 --> 04:31:45,520 Ferrer. 3631 04:31:45,520 --> 04:31:47,100 - Thank you. 3632 04:31:47,100 --> 04:31:49,990 So I fundamentally agree with this. 3633 04:31:49,990 --> 04:31:54,820 Bill 23 and 185 definitely remove some of these 3634 04:31:54,820 --> 04:31:55,120 appeal rights 3635 04:31:55,120 --> 04:32:00,300 and the voice of the community was kind of lost 3636 04:32:00,300 --> 04:32:00,990 in that. 3637 04:32:00,990 --> 04:32:05,560 But I would also say that there is also a level 3638 04:32:05,560 --> 04:32:06,110 of appeal here. 3639 04:32:06,110 --> 04:32:08,520 I kind of saw it was hinted at here that still 3640 04:32:08,520 --> 04:32:08,950 exists, 3641 04:32:08,950 --> 04:32:12,250 and that is at council itself. 3642 04:32:12,250 --> 04:32:15,600 We have planning applications for zoning by-law 3643 04:32:15,600 --> 04:32:16,490 amendments. 3644 04:32:16,490 --> 04:32:19,040 We need public participation meetings, 3645 04:32:19,040 --> 04:32:21,330 and there is an appeal process happening right 3646 04:32:21,330 --> 04:32:22,250 here with us. 3647 04:32:22,250 --> 04:32:25,660 So we still have the ability to make decisions 3648 04:32:25,660 --> 04:32:27,440 and also hear those appeals before that comes 3649 04:32:27,440 --> 04:32:27,960 through. 3650 04:32:27,960 --> 04:32:29,460 So I just wanted to highlight that as well, 3651 04:32:29,460 --> 04:32:32,760 because there is some accountability here for us 3652 04:32:32,760 --> 04:32:34,010 as well. 3653 04:32:34,010 --> 04:32:37,040 And we have the ability to hear and make 3654 04:32:37,040 --> 04:32:38,180 decisions. 3655 04:32:38,180 --> 04:32:40,700 And we are talking about something after the fact 3656 04:32:40,700 --> 04:32:40,800 , 3657 04:32:40,720 --> 04:32:42,860 after a decision that's made here. 3658 04:32:42,860 --> 04:32:46,420 So to point that out, I agree that we do need 3659 04:32:46,420 --> 04:32:47,850 that extra level of protection. 3660 04:32:47,850 --> 04:32:53,100 And I understand that we had it before. 3661 04:32:53,100 --> 04:32:54,840 It gives the rights of individuals 3662 04:32:54,840 --> 04:32:56,630 to be able to express their voices and their 3663 04:32:56,630 --> 04:32:57,170 opinions. 3664 04:32:57,170 --> 04:32:59,320 But that level is here as well. 3665 04:32:59,320 --> 04:33:01,320 So I just wanted to point that fact out. 3666 04:33:01,320 --> 04:33:02,420 We have the ability to. 3667 04:33:02,420 --> 04:33:05,120 So there is a democratic layer here 3668 04:33:05,120 --> 04:33:11,410 that exists with us amongst us here. 3669 04:33:11,410 --> 04:33:14,630 Councillor Stevenson. 3670 04:33:14,630 --> 04:33:15,460 - Thank you. 3671 04:33:15,460 --> 04:33:17,210 I'm not gonna support this at all. 3672 04:33:17,210 --> 04:33:20,690 And I honestly find it a little ironic how often 3673 04:33:20,690 --> 04:33:23,340 we want to tell the province what they should do 3674 04:33:23,340 --> 04:33:27,320 when we aren't utilizing what we can do here. 3675 04:33:27,320 --> 04:33:29,700 We were talking about asking to give our 3676 04:33:29,700 --> 04:33:30,980 residents 3677 04:33:30,980 --> 04:33:34,980 their day in court to appeal our decisions. 3678 04:33:34,980 --> 04:33:37,430 what they want, their day at council. 3679 04:33:37,430 --> 04:33:39,590 They want this council to represent them 3680 04:33:39,590 --> 04:33:42,240 and make the decision in their best interests. 3681 04:33:42,240 --> 04:33:45,560 So to give them the right to spend the money and 3682 04:33:45,560 --> 04:33:46,110 the time 3683 04:33:46,110 --> 04:33:50,220 and everything to fight what we won't do here for 3684 04:33:50,220 --> 04:33:52,170 them, 3685 04:33:52,170 --> 04:33:54,340 it doesn't make any sense to me. 3686 04:33:54,340 --> 04:33:57,280 If we believe that they have a voice worth 3687 04:33:57,280 --> 04:33:57,990 listening to, 3688 04:33:57,990 --> 04:34:00,140 we should be responding. 3689 04:34:00,140 --> 04:34:02,100 And if we feel that we have responded 3690 04:34:02,100 --> 04:34:02,920 appropriately 3691 04:34:02,920 --> 04:34:05,450 to the majority of Londoners, 3692 04:34:05,450 --> 04:34:08,720 we shouldn't see the value in them going to 3693 04:34:08,720 --> 04:34:09,570 another level 3694 04:34:09,570 --> 04:34:12,180 at time and money and slowing down something 3695 04:34:12,180 --> 04:34:13,650 that this council has done 3696 04:34:13,650 --> 04:34:16,350 in the best interest of the city. 3697 04:34:16,350 --> 04:34:18,640 So do we not believe in the decision that we're 3698 04:34:18,640 --> 04:34:19,020 making 3699 04:34:19,020 --> 04:34:21,060 and so we wanna give residents the right to 3700 04:34:21,060 --> 04:34:22,470 overturn us? 3701 04:34:22,470 --> 04:34:25,030 Or is this about giving them the power 3702 04:34:25,030 --> 04:34:27,210 without taking the accountability ourselves? 3703 04:34:27,210 --> 04:34:29,260 We're passing the buck to them, you fight it. 3704 04:34:29,260 --> 04:34:36,030 We're not gonna do it here. 3705 04:34:36,030 --> 04:34:38,320 We don't get to say, the province makes their 3706 04:34:38,320 --> 04:34:38,790 choices. 3707 04:34:38,790 --> 04:34:40,680 I don't want to listen to all kinds of 3708 04:34:40,680 --> 04:34:42,890 organizations sending us letters telling us what 3709 04:34:42,890 --> 04:34:43,370 to do. 3710 04:34:43,370 --> 04:34:46,190 I don't think the province wants it. It doesn't 3711 04:34:46,190 --> 04:34:48,240 help in our advocacy efforts. I don't think to 3712 04:34:48,240 --> 04:34:50,550 be continually telling them they're the problem. 3713 04:34:50,550 --> 04:34:52,990 When they're saying, it's your council, it's your 3714 04:34:52,990 --> 04:34:56,530 city, make decisions that serve your residents. 3715 04:34:56,530 --> 04:34:59,940 Why would you want us to have the right to 3716 04:34:59,940 --> 04:35:00,480 overturn 3717 04:35:00,480 --> 04:35:03,830 you? Why would you do that? Do you not have the 3718 04:35:03,830 --> 04:35:06,270 courage to make your own decisions or do what you 3719 04:35:06,270 --> 04:35:08,280 you think is right for the residents? 3720 04:35:08,280 --> 04:35:11,280 I'm not sure where the, 3721 04:35:11,280 --> 04:35:14,180 I'm not sure what the selling feature is on this, 3722 04:35:14,180 --> 04:35:17,020 but to empower residents to spend a lot of time 3723 04:35:17,020 --> 04:35:17,450 and money 3724 04:35:17,450 --> 04:35:22,280 overturning the decisions that this council has, 3725 04:35:22,280 --> 04:35:23,010 you know, 3726 04:35:23,010 --> 04:35:24,860 made in the best interests of our city, 3727 04:35:24,860 --> 04:35:26,380 doesn't make sense to me. 3728 04:35:26,380 --> 04:35:29,440 And the province isn't gonna be listening to this 3729 04:35:29,440 --> 04:35:29,840 anyway, 3730 04:35:29,840 --> 04:35:34,470 so is it just to say we did something, 3731 04:35:34,470 --> 04:35:37,560 to say that they should have, 3732 04:35:37,560 --> 04:35:39,320 that the province should be doing something, 3733 04:35:39,320 --> 04:35:41,340 lenders want us to do something. 3734 04:35:41,340 --> 04:35:43,200 They want us to stand in our decisions. 3735 04:35:43,200 --> 04:35:45,510 If we think it's in the best interest of the 3736 04:35:45,510 --> 04:35:46,550 growth of our city, 3737 04:35:46,550 --> 04:35:48,860 then we get to defend our decisions to our 3738 04:35:48,860 --> 04:35:49,460 residents. 3739 04:35:49,460 --> 04:35:52,160 And if we can't do that, we should be making the 3740 04:35:52,160 --> 04:35:53,260 decisions here. 3741 04:35:53,260 --> 04:35:57,050 We keep being told, we can't go against staff, 3742 04:35:57,050 --> 04:35:59,970 because then they'll just take it to OLT. 3743 04:35:59,970 --> 04:36:00,960 And take it to OLT. 3744 04:36:00,960 --> 04:36:03,090 If we don't think-- if we're acting on behalf of 3745 04:36:03,090 --> 04:36:03,960 residents, 3746 04:36:03,960 --> 04:36:05,620 let them take it to OLT. 3747 04:36:05,620 --> 04:36:08,200 Why are we so afraid of it? 3748 04:36:08,200 --> 04:36:10,450 And yet, we want to empower our residents to go 3749 04:36:10,450 --> 04:36:11,820 through it. 3750 04:36:11,820 --> 04:36:14,740 I'm interested in the mayor and the councilors 3751 04:36:14,740 --> 04:36:15,550 reason for this, 3752 04:36:15,550 --> 04:36:18,920 but I don't see any reason to support it at all. 3753 04:36:18,920 --> 04:36:21,830 And I think it's not a very good luck to London 3754 04:36:21,830 --> 04:36:22,020 ers 3755 04:36:22,020 --> 04:36:28,440 who are asking us to be leaders here. 3756 04:36:28,440 --> 04:36:31,810 - The speakers, oh, Councilor Pervil, 3757 04:36:31,810 --> 04:36:33,070 sorry I had you on the last slide. 3758 04:36:33,070 --> 04:36:36,030 That's twice I did that to you, I'm sorry. 3759 04:36:36,030 --> 04:36:37,850 - I heard that we have made decisions today. 3760 04:36:37,850 --> 04:36:39,150 Absolutely we did. 3761 04:36:39,150 --> 04:36:40,260 What did we base it on? 3762 04:36:40,260 --> 04:36:41,730 No, we don't have the expertise, 3763 04:36:41,730 --> 04:36:42,640 but guess what? 3764 04:36:42,640 --> 04:36:44,460 The people I trust from us, they do. 3765 04:36:44,460 --> 04:36:45,290 And guess what? 3766 04:36:45,290 --> 04:36:46,440 They have the same housing policy, 3767 04:36:46,440 --> 04:36:47,950 they have the same bylaws, 3768 04:36:47,950 --> 04:36:50,240 just like OLT. 3769 04:36:50,240 --> 04:36:52,990 If I look at during the last three and a half 3770 04:36:52,990 --> 04:36:53,430 years, 3771 04:36:53,430 --> 04:36:55,320 that's actually, I do understand that there are 3772 04:36:55,320 --> 04:36:55,700 certain 3773 04:36:55,700 --> 04:36:57,360 neighbourhoods that are not happy with some of 3774 04:36:57,360 --> 04:36:58,080 our decisions 3775 04:36:58,080 --> 04:36:59,780 because it's a change to the neighbourhood. 3776 04:36:59,780 --> 04:37:01,530 But if I think that's one of the things that 3777 04:37:01,530 --> 04:37:02,130 Council did 3778 04:37:02,130 --> 04:37:04,550 when I was darning three and a half, four years 3779 04:37:04,550 --> 04:37:04,830 ago, 3780 04:37:04,830 --> 04:37:07,500 one of the top two was housing, housing 3781 04:37:07,500 --> 04:37:08,060 availability 3782 04:37:08,060 --> 04:37:09,800 and housing costs. 3783 04:37:09,800 --> 04:37:12,850 And I think that Council did, again, 3784 04:37:12,850 --> 04:37:14,580 I'm looking not prospective from one, two 3785 04:37:14,580 --> 04:37:15,090 neighbourhoods, 3786 04:37:15,090 --> 04:37:16,820 I'm looking from the perspective of half a 3787 04:37:16,820 --> 04:37:16,980 million 3788 04:37:16,980 --> 04:37:20,700 Londoners. We could have been better, no doubt 3789 04:37:20,700 --> 04:37:23,780 everyone can be better but that's a path that we 3790 04:37:23,780 --> 04:37:26,080 certainly have progressed on and we have 3791 04:37:26,080 --> 04:37:29,370 delivered maybe not 100% but we have and there's 3792 04:37:29,370 --> 04:37:29,710 no doubt 3793 04:37:29,710 --> 04:37:32,740 that I will argue with anyone that supply and 3794 04:37:32,740 --> 04:37:35,640 demand in this case is number one reason 3795 04:37:35,640 --> 04:37:36,450 absolutely 3796 04:37:36,450 --> 04:37:39,770 it is because the supply is up demand is either 3797 04:37:39,770 --> 04:37:42,900 stable or lower and now people that there are 3798 04:37:42,900 --> 04:37:47,050 you know, both prices of the housing doesn't 3799 04:37:47,050 --> 04:37:48,970 matter if it's purchased or if it's rental, 3800 04:37:48,970 --> 04:37:52,040 it is down. The other thing is, again, going back 3801 04:37:52,040 --> 04:37:54,620 to it, if you think about how many good 3802 04:37:54,620 --> 04:37:56,340 projects we have approved and how many 3803 04:37:56,340 --> 04:37:58,780 neighborhoods we had up in the gallery that they 3804 04:37:58,780 --> 04:37:59,670 weren't for it. 3805 04:37:59,670 --> 04:38:02,850 All those, if they were to go to OLT, everything 3806 04:38:02,850 --> 04:38:05,970 is delayed by 10 to 12-month. Where is our 3807 04:38:05,970 --> 04:38:06,620 economy? 3808 04:38:06,620 --> 04:38:09,050 Where is the pricing? And this is the thing that 3809 04:38:09,050 --> 04:38:10,840 we really have to look at the big picture. 3810 04:38:10,840 --> 04:38:13,840 and I really think that in this decision, I'm all 3811 04:38:13,840 --> 04:38:16,060 for freedoms, absolutely. Especially with my 3812 04:38:16,060 --> 04:38:17,960 background coming from my communist country, I'm 3813 04:38:17,960 --> 04:38:19,940 all for freedoms. On the other hand, we are here 3814 04:38:19,940 --> 04:38:22,740 to push and to deliver for half a million of land 3815 04:38:22,740 --> 04:38:25,650 res. I'm not supporting this. I really think 3816 04:38:25,650 --> 04:38:27,950 what was what I just heard from my colleague, 3817 04:38:27,950 --> 04:38:30,600 Councillor, when she was saying that it is in 3818 04:38:30,600 --> 04:38:34,810 our power and we can, it's up to us to make those 3819 04:38:34,810 --> 04:38:38,520 tough calls to tough decisions. And yes, if there 3820 04:38:38,520 --> 04:38:40,580 there are certain things that are neighbourhoods. 3821 04:38:40,580 --> 04:38:41,620 People, they do have 3822 04:38:41,620 --> 04:38:43,760 the opportunity in public participation meeting 3823 04:38:43,760 --> 04:38:45,360 if they want us to go any further. 3824 04:38:45,360 --> 04:38:47,680 We are all there to listen to them and to see 3825 04:38:47,680 --> 04:38:49,140 potentially if there are any other 3826 04:38:49,140 --> 04:38:51,870 options to do it. But again, I don't like passing 3827 04:38:51,870 --> 04:38:53,400 the buck. Let's take the 3828 04:38:53,400 --> 04:38:56,230 responsibility. Let's not delay. Let's move, keep 3829 04:38:56,230 --> 04:38:58,370 moving our city forward. And again, 3830 04:38:58,370 --> 04:39:01,470 if I look at this, and the economy is very, very 3831 04:39:01,470 --> 04:39:03,850 tough, the situation worldwide, 3832 04:39:03,850 --> 04:39:06,790 just in London, just in Canada, and this is one 3833 04:39:06,790 --> 04:39:10,770 of the few positive economic factors that we had, 3834 04:39:10,770 --> 04:39:14,250 and that's what residential development. And I do 3835 04:39:14,250 --> 04:39:16,150 understand that there are certain individuals 3836 04:39:16,150 --> 04:39:18,900 that they might not be, their developers are not 3837 04:39:18,900 --> 04:39:21,550 their number one favorite person in the world. 3838 04:39:21,550 --> 04:39:23,880 On the other hand, I have to look at this, and 3839 04:39:23,880 --> 04:39:25,670 they are the ones who are making the 3840 04:39:25,670 --> 04:39:28,450 easements, putting in their money on the table 3841 04:39:28,450 --> 04:39:30,690 during these very tough times when everyone is 3842 04:39:30,690 --> 04:39:32,580 looking at the dollars, flipping it left and 3843 04:39:32,580 --> 04:39:34,830 right, back and forth, if they are going to spend 3844 04:39:34,830 --> 04:39:34,990 it or 3845 04:39:34,990 --> 04:39:37,030 not. So actually, they are investing. Are they 3846 04:39:37,030 --> 04:39:39,130 maximizing their opportunities? Yes, they are. 3847 04:39:39,130 --> 04:39:41,500 Would I prefer sometimes that they choose a 3848 04:39:41,500 --> 04:39:44,540 different location or less density? Yes, I would. 3849 04:39:44,540 --> 04:39:47,180 But on the other hand, we need to move our 3850 04:39:47,180 --> 04:39:50,230 economy forward. I will not support this because 3851 04:39:50,230 --> 04:39:50,610 I do 3852 04:39:50,610 --> 04:39:53,250 believe that we are on the right track. And the 3853 04:39:53,250 --> 04:39:56,090 last three and a half years, we have delivered 3854 04:39:56,090 --> 04:39:59,450 on this Londoner's ask us for affordable and more 3855 04:39:59,450 --> 04:40:02,810 housing options and we have been delivering. 3856 04:40:02,810 --> 04:40:15,830 Thank you. Other speakers? Councilor Robin. Thank 3857 04:40:15,830 --> 04:40:18,590 you and through you, a lot of what I'm going to 3858 04:40:18,590 --> 04:40:22,300 say is contained in the letter that I submitted 3859 04:40:22,300 --> 04:40:26,490 on the PEC agenda. But I just want to remind 3860 04:40:26,490 --> 04:40:26,890 everyone 3861 04:40:26,890 --> 04:40:30,060 how we got here. The first is I want to say thank 3862 04:40:30,060 --> 04:40:33,630 you to Windsor City Council for their leadership 3863 04:40:34,350 --> 04:40:38,800 on moving this issue forward. I think it's 3864 04:40:38,800 --> 04:40:41,080 important to watch other decisions in other 3865 04:40:41,080 --> 04:40:42,190 places and 3866 04:40:42,190 --> 04:40:45,960 provide support when we see something that we 3867 04:40:45,960 --> 04:40:48,880 align with. And so I want to talk a little bit 3868 04:40:48,880 --> 04:40:52,120 about what Bill 185, the cutting red tape to 3869 04:40:52,120 --> 04:40:55,720 build more homes act in 2024. So a very recent 3870 04:40:55,720 --> 04:40:59,590 decision. I want to talk a little bit about that 3871 04:40:59,590 --> 04:41:05,990 impact. So when we lost or when our province 3872 04:41:05,990 --> 04:41:10,040 lost the Ontario land tribunal process being open 3873 04:41:10,040 --> 04:41:13,340 to residents, it's really important that we 3874 04:41:13,340 --> 04:41:18,020 understand that this isn't something that has had 3875 04:41:18,020 --> 04:41:22,870 a long standing time to take hold. We have the 3876 04:41:22,870 --> 04:41:24,870 ability. It's something that we should do with 3877 04:41:24,870 --> 04:41:28,700 our own decisions as we try to. Report back. 3878 04:41:28,700 --> 04:41:31,150 Find out what the temperatures like out there for 3879 04:41:31,150 --> 04:41:33,480 a decision we may and make corrective action 3880 04:41:33,480 --> 04:41:37,100 when we've made a decision. Perhaps that doesn't 3881 04:41:37,100 --> 04:41:41,060 support its intent or that maybe we realize 3882 04:41:41,060 --> 04:41:45,240 has unintended consequences or has other outcomes 3883 04:41:45,240 --> 04:41:48,580 . And I think in this case, what I see why I 3884 04:41:48,580 --> 04:41:51,920 wrote this letter, is public confidence in the 3885 04:41:51,920 --> 04:41:52,410 planning 3886 04:41:52,410 --> 04:41:55,410 system isn't the same. 3887 04:41:55,410 --> 04:41:56,230 We feel it. 3888 04:41:56,230 --> 04:41:58,670 We're feeling it. 3889 04:41:58,670 --> 04:42:00,530 Public confidence in the planning system 3890 04:42:00,530 --> 04:42:03,460 is strengthened when residents have their ability 3891 04:42:03,460 --> 04:42:04,800 to participate. 3892 04:42:04,800 --> 04:42:07,710 They participate here in a meaningful way. 3893 04:42:07,710 --> 04:42:10,630 And then from there, their concerns can be fairly 3894 04:42:10,630 --> 04:42:12,900 reviewed. 3895 04:42:12,900 --> 04:42:16,030 I don't think taking the appeal mechanism 3896 04:42:16,030 --> 04:42:20,480 had all of the outcomes that the province had 3897 04:42:20,480 --> 04:42:20,970 intended. 3898 04:42:20,970 --> 04:42:25,070 And I think what we're looking for here 3899 04:42:25,070 --> 04:42:28,150 is to alter the balance again. 3900 04:42:28,150 --> 04:42:31,510 So the current framework has altered this balance 3901 04:42:31,510 --> 04:42:31,780 . 3902 04:42:31,780 --> 04:42:35,060 It has created a situation where the developer 3903 04:42:35,060 --> 04:42:39,140 is the only one that can go to the tribunal. 3904 04:42:39,140 --> 04:42:44,340 And again, I'm not sure how that can continue 3905 04:42:44,340 --> 04:42:46,980 and why we wouldn't want to push back 3906 04:42:46,980 --> 04:42:50,080 on behalf of our residents to say, 3907 04:42:50,080 --> 04:42:52,270 there is a way to do this, 3908 04:42:52,270 --> 04:42:55,800 to alter the balance in a way that positively 3909 04:42:55,800 --> 04:42:56,630 supports 3910 04:42:56,630 --> 04:42:59,360 resident engagement by way of just allowing them 3911 04:42:59,360 --> 04:43:00,790 the opportunity to have a voice. 3912 04:43:00,790 --> 04:43:04,150 And again, what's put in front of us today 3913 04:43:04,150 --> 04:43:07,090 is to consider it a limited ability to have a 3914 04:43:07,090 --> 04:43:07,520 voice, 3915 04:43:07,520 --> 04:43:11,860 so that you live within the area that's affected. 3916 04:43:11,860 --> 04:43:15,510 I think that's a good thing to add to the process 3917 04:43:15,510 --> 04:43:15,850 . 3918 04:43:15,850 --> 04:43:17,250 But here's the best part. 3919 04:43:17,250 --> 04:43:19,480 The province has lots of policy makers. 3920 04:43:19,480 --> 04:43:24,100 They have a lot of opportunity to write this, 3921 04:43:24,100 --> 04:43:25,890 the right way that they wanna see it 3922 04:43:25,890 --> 04:43:28,410 so that they can encourage housing development, 3923 04:43:28,410 --> 04:43:31,100 but at the same time here, residents voices. 3924 04:43:31,100 --> 04:43:33,390 We don't have to create all the situations 3925 04:43:33,390 --> 04:43:36,550 for them to do that. 3926 04:43:36,550 --> 04:43:37,800 I'll tell you, we are here, 3927 04:43:37,800 --> 04:43:39,550 we're sitting in this room and we're doing our 3928 04:43:39,550 --> 04:43:40,990 work today. 3929 04:43:40,990 --> 04:43:43,310 Our province is not. 3930 04:43:43,310 --> 04:43:45,730 Our government right now in the province of 3931 04:43:45,730 --> 04:43:47,100 Ontario 3932 04:43:47,100 --> 04:43:48,550 could be working on this. 3933 04:43:48,550 --> 04:43:51,620 And I think it's fair to say that by sending 3934 04:43:51,620 --> 04:43:52,130 something 3935 04:43:52,130 --> 04:43:57,070 to our association to say, hey, we have a clear 3936 04:43:57,070 --> 04:43:57,290 position 3937 04:43:57,290 --> 04:44:01,390 across the province, that multiple cities are 3938 04:44:01,390 --> 04:44:02,140 standing up 3939 04:44:02,140 --> 04:44:05,890 and saying that these appeal rights matter, 3940 04:44:05,890 --> 04:44:08,560 gives them pause moments to pause, 3941 04:44:08,560 --> 04:44:11,650 maybe gives them some things to work on. 3942 04:44:11,650 --> 04:44:14,400 Thank you. 3943 04:44:14,400 --> 04:44:15,330 - Okay, I have myself on the list, 3944 04:44:15,330 --> 04:44:17,920 so I'll turn the chair over to Councillor Ramen, 3945 04:44:17,920 --> 04:44:21,350 I think, since Councillor Lamey's presenting. 3946 04:44:21,350 --> 04:44:22,400 - Thank you, I have the chair. 3947 04:44:22,400 --> 04:44:24,720 - Go ahead. 3948 04:44:24,720 --> 04:44:27,370 - Sure, so I appreciate the comments of Council 3949 04:44:27,370 --> 04:44:27,820 Raman 3950 04:44:27,820 --> 04:44:31,130 because you're gonna make my comments a little 3951 04:44:31,130 --> 04:44:31,710 bit shorter. 3952 04:44:31,710 --> 04:44:35,020 First, I wanna recognize what is being asked. 3953 04:44:35,020 --> 04:44:37,990 It's not a return to what the status quo was 3954 04:44:37,990 --> 04:44:38,540 before. 3955 04:44:38,540 --> 04:44:40,040 It's a recognition of the reasons 3956 04:44:40,040 --> 04:44:42,270 the province made the change in the first place. 3957 04:44:42,270 --> 04:44:44,990 Problems was dealing with a series of, you know, 3958 04:44:44,990 --> 04:44:48,270 frivolous, vexatious, delayed-driven appeals 3959 04:44:48,270 --> 04:44:50,880 that were basically bogging down the system. 3960 04:44:50,880 --> 04:44:52,340 And they're looking to get rid of that. 3961 04:44:52,340 --> 04:44:55,260 And if you look at the motion, we recognize 3962 04:44:55,260 --> 04:44:58,630 that any sort of change would need to incorporate 3963 04:44:58,630 --> 04:44:59,220 mechanisms 3964 04:44:59,220 --> 04:45:01,820 to ensure that's not the case. 3965 04:45:01,820 --> 04:45:04,270 The other piece here is in the things 3966 04:45:04,270 --> 04:45:05,890 to consider that AMO could consider, 3967 04:45:05,890 --> 04:45:08,110 should they even want to craft a position, 3968 04:45:08,110 --> 04:45:12,950 is that it should be individuals residing 3969 04:45:12,950 --> 04:45:15,140 within the statutory notice area. 3970 04:45:15,140 --> 04:45:17,000 People should not be going across the city 3971 04:45:17,000 --> 04:45:18,540 on the other side of the city that isn't even 3972 04:45:18,540 --> 04:45:20,550 in their neighborhood and being able to appeal 3973 04:45:20,550 --> 04:45:20,940 something 3974 04:45:20,940 --> 04:45:22,880 simply because they don't like it. 3975 04:45:22,880 --> 04:45:26,130 But if you live right beside a development, 3976 04:45:26,130 --> 04:45:27,850 and the person building that development 3977 04:45:27,850 --> 04:45:29,720 has the ability to go and present their case 3978 04:45:29,720 --> 04:45:31,620 to a parental body, 3979 04:45:31,620 --> 04:45:33,210 why shouldn't the person beside the development 3980 04:45:33,210 --> 04:45:34,120 be able to do the same thing? 3981 04:45:34,120 --> 04:45:35,440 Now, for the Councillor to say, 3982 04:45:35,440 --> 04:45:36,830 hey, let's make the decisions here. 3983 04:45:36,830 --> 04:45:37,670 I'm all for that. 3984 04:45:37,670 --> 04:45:40,010 Like I like local decision-making. 3985 04:45:40,010 --> 04:45:41,690 We get rid of the tribunal altogether 3986 04:45:41,690 --> 04:45:43,640 and have all the decisions of council stand. 3987 04:45:43,640 --> 04:45:44,870 Like that's fine with me. 3988 04:45:44,870 --> 04:45:45,750 We could debate everything here. 3989 04:45:45,750 --> 04:45:47,710 That's not the system that we actually have out 3990 04:45:47,710 --> 04:45:48,140 there. 3991 04:45:48,140 --> 04:45:49,450 If someone wants to go that direction, 3992 04:45:49,450 --> 04:45:52,170 I'm happy to have the debate on that particular 3993 04:45:52,170 --> 04:45:53,380 motion. 3994 04:45:53,380 --> 04:45:56,770 But I cannot imagine that having someone who is a 3995 04:45:56,770 --> 04:45:58,200 neighbor 3996 04:45:58,200 --> 04:46:00,900 have the right to go and make a case 3997 04:46:00,900 --> 04:46:03,750 for the development beside their house 3998 04:46:03,750 --> 04:46:06,870 and empowering them with those rights 3999 04:46:06,870 --> 04:46:09,390 isn't somehow something that's negative, right? 4000 04:46:09,390 --> 04:46:13,350 That it's just, to me, even asking to pursue this 4001 04:46:13,350 --> 04:46:15,650 is something that empowers residents 4002 04:46:15,650 --> 04:46:17,710 who are immediately impacted to have a right, 4003 04:46:17,710 --> 04:46:19,790 while recognizing that we have to support the 4004 04:46:19,790 --> 04:46:20,170 province 4005 04:46:20,170 --> 04:46:22,660 in ensuring that this doesn't slow things down. 4006 04:46:22,660 --> 04:46:24,650 The other piece here too is, 4007 04:46:24,650 --> 04:46:27,750 Neither of us are asking for the municipal 4008 04:46:27,750 --> 04:46:28,410 council 4009 04:46:28,410 --> 04:46:30,150 to go to the province directly on this. 4010 04:46:30,150 --> 04:46:32,130 I agree that would not be a good use of time. 4011 04:46:32,130 --> 04:46:34,150 We've got lots of ask before the province. 4012 04:46:34,150 --> 04:46:36,720 We're not even pointing this towards the province 4013 04:46:36,720 --> 04:46:37,090 . 4014 04:46:37,090 --> 04:46:38,800 We're saying, listen, there's some other 4015 04:46:38,800 --> 04:46:39,300 municipalities 4016 04:46:39,300 --> 04:46:41,060 carving out positions on this. 4017 04:46:41,060 --> 04:46:45,150 These positions are best defined if debated and 4018 04:46:45,150 --> 04:46:45,300 discussed 4019 04:46:45,300 --> 04:46:47,480 as municipalities as a whole. 4020 04:46:47,480 --> 04:46:49,370 In AMO, when all the municipalities can have a 4021 04:46:49,370 --> 04:46:49,760 discussion, 4022 04:46:49,760 --> 04:46:51,170 like, do we even want this on our agenda 4023 04:46:51,170 --> 04:46:53,540 as one of our issues, right? 4024 04:46:53,540 --> 04:46:55,360 So that is what the ask is before us. 4025 04:46:55,360 --> 04:46:57,710 It's not going to the province directly on this. 4026 04:46:57,710 --> 04:46:59,460 It's listening to what some of the residents have 4027 04:46:59,460 --> 04:46:59,650 said. 4028 04:46:59,650 --> 04:47:01,480 There are many residents who are surprised. 4029 04:47:01,480 --> 04:47:03,500 We pass a development today. 4030 04:47:03,500 --> 04:47:04,820 It's probably residents here who are like, 4031 04:47:04,820 --> 04:47:05,970 "Well, I'd like to appeal this." 4032 04:47:05,970 --> 04:47:07,970 And the answer is like, "Sorry, you can't." 4033 04:47:07,970 --> 04:47:09,990 But I live right beside the building. 4034 04:47:09,990 --> 04:47:11,780 Too bad, you don't have that right. 4035 04:47:11,780 --> 04:47:15,910 So I think this is a reasonable pathway forward 4036 04:47:15,910 --> 04:47:18,460 that does not consume the municipalities' GR 4037 04:47:18,460 --> 04:47:19,210 resources 4038 04:47:19,210 --> 04:47:21,440 because we've got lots of things to ask for. 4039 04:47:21,440 --> 04:47:23,690 It says, "If AMO is gonna consider this, 4040 04:47:23,690 --> 04:47:25,270 "we're interested in the discussion. 4041 04:47:25,270 --> 04:47:27,010 these are some things that you should consider if 4042 04:47:27,010 --> 04:47:28,590 you have the discussion because we support 4043 04:47:28,590 --> 04:47:31,960 the province on getting rid of frivolous and vex 4044 04:47:31,960 --> 04:47:34,250 atious and delay-driven appeals. But we 4045 04:47:34,250 --> 04:47:36,100 also support the residents who live in the 4046 04:47:36,100 --> 04:47:38,730 immediate area, not across the city, to have 4047 04:47:38,730 --> 04:47:41,440 some sort of recourse for decision-making if 4048 04:47:41,440 --> 04:47:43,890 there continues to be a body beyond municipal 4049 04:47:43,890 --> 04:47:46,360 councils that get to make that. Because remember, 4050 04:47:46,360 --> 04:47:48,640 this is a body that gets to make decisions beyond 4051 04:47:48,640 --> 04:47:51,510 this room. When it goes to that body, we don't 4052 04:47:51,510 --> 04:47:53,900 get a say anymore. So some level of 4053 04:47:53,900 --> 04:47:54,590 representation 4054 04:47:54,590 --> 04:47:56,950 there by those immediately impacted I think is a 4055 04:47:56,950 --> 04:47:57,960 reasonable ask and I think 4056 04:47:57,960 --> 04:47:59,830 this is a reasonable process to even decide 4057 04:47:59,830 --> 04:48:01,490 whether it becomes a municipal 4058 04:48:01,490 --> 04:48:05,530 ask across the province of the province. So happy 4059 04:48:05,530 --> 04:48:06,130 Councillor Ramen 4060 04:48:06,130 --> 04:48:08,280 forwarded happy that she was willing to adjust 4061 04:48:08,280 --> 04:48:09,490 some of the language to align 4062 04:48:09,490 --> 04:48:11,430 with with that I think that's that's good 4063 04:48:11,430 --> 04:48:14,130 collaborative work together and I'll 4064 04:48:14,130 --> 04:48:18,060 support this today and yeah we'll see how it goes 4065 04:48:18,060 --> 04:48:20,850 . Returning the chair to you 4066 04:48:20,850 --> 04:48:23,140 know on the speakers list. Any other speakers? I 4067 04:48:23,140 --> 04:48:24,550 think almost everyone has 4068 04:48:24,550 --> 04:48:30,890 spoken. That's a break. Thank you. Yes, I just 4069 04:48:30,890 --> 04:48:33,190 want to briefly say that I'll be supporting this. 4070 04:48:33,190 --> 04:48:34,990 I don't think it's fair that developers get two 4071 04:48:34,990 --> 04:48:36,770 appeal stuff and residents don't. And I think 4072 04:48:36,770 --> 04:48:36,930 that 4073 04:48:36,930 --> 04:48:39,250 this to me is should be and is about fairness. 4074 04:48:39,250 --> 04:48:41,470 And fairness would require that both sides have 4075 04:48:41,470 --> 04:48:44,490 the same rights and access to the appeal process. 4076 04:48:44,490 --> 04:48:46,810 And so I think it's courageous for us to 4077 04:48:46,810 --> 04:48:49,130 send this along and request that we give our 4078 04:48:49,130 --> 04:48:51,830 residents the same rights that developers get. 4079 04:48:51,830 --> 04:48:57,530 Any other speakers? Okay, we'll deal with this 4080 04:48:57,530 --> 04:48:58,420 matter. Then we're going to have a few 4081 04:48:58,420 --> 04:49:00,710 motion to go past six and we'll deal with that 4082 04:49:00,710 --> 04:49:03,560 immediately after. This has been 4083 04:49:03,560 --> 04:49:05,280 moved and seconded. We'll open that for voting. 4084 04:49:05,280 --> 04:49:24,470 Councillor Palazzo. Sorry, didn't 4085 04:49:24,470 --> 04:49:30,580 come up, yes. Close in the vote. Motion carries 4086 04:49:30,580 --> 04:49:33,670 seven to six. Okay, and now we're 4087 04:49:33,670 --> 04:49:35,520 going to need a motion to extend to past six. 4088 04:49:35,520 --> 04:49:48,680 Okay, we're going to do this in the 4089 04:49:48,680 --> 04:49:50,650 system of motion to extend past six moved by Coun 4090 04:49:50,650 --> 04:49:51,820 cillor Frank, seconded by 4091 04:49:51,820 --> 04:50:17,730 Councillor Hopkins. So votes yes noted. Thank you 4092 04:50:17,730 --> 04:50:20,010 , Councillor Stevenson. I vote 4093 04:50:20,010 --> 04:50:23,440 yes. No noted. Thank you. Close in the vote. 4094 04:50:23,440 --> 04:50:30,730 Motion carries 12 to 1. Okay, back to 4095 04:50:30,730 --> 04:50:42,120 Councilwoman. I believe that concludes the ninth 4096 04:50:42,120 --> 04:50:42,240 report that I initiated about 10 4097 04:50:42,240 --> 04:50:48,570 hours ago. Perfect. Thanks for your work. Keep 4098 04:50:48,570 --> 04:50:49,670 standing if you want or you can 4099 04:50:49,670 --> 04:50:52,250 take a seat. We'll move on to the audit report. I 4100 04:50:52,250 --> 04:50:54,670 have Council Palosa online to 4101 04:50:54,670 --> 04:50:58,790 present the audit report. Thank you Mr. Mayor. I 4102 04:50:58,790 --> 04:50:59,920 was the one person who voted 4103 04:50:59,920 --> 04:51:01,950 not to extend and it's my report not because 4104 04:51:01,950 --> 04:51:03,320 report is not excellent so I 4105 04:51:03,320 --> 04:51:04,760 will present it now. It's the third report the 4106 04:51:04,760 --> 04:51:06,200 audit committee. I will 4107 04:51:06,200 --> 04:51:10,450 highlight everything was unanimous discussions as 4108 04:51:10,450 --> 04:51:12,400 per item 7 being 4.6. 4109 04:51:12,400 --> 04:51:17,090 This was a letter from Councillor Frank that has 4110 04:51:17,090 --> 04:51:19,020 been referred to the next round of audits 4111 04:51:19,020 --> 04:51:22,130 for 2027 as everything was already packed and set 4112 04:51:22,130 --> 04:51:24,000 and contracted for this round. 4113 04:51:24,000 --> 04:51:27,290 And item 8, 5.1, the request for proposals for 20 4114 04:51:27,290 --> 04:51:29,660 26 for the internal audit services. 4115 04:51:29,660 --> 04:51:32,110 The recommendation is MNP that would commence in 4116 04:51:32,110 --> 04:51:34,520 2027 and they are actually our current 4117 04:51:34,520 --> 04:51:36,590 internal audit people. 4118 04:51:36,590 --> 04:51:38,540 And we just appreciate everyone who did apply 4119 04:51:38,540 --> 04:51:40,370 and went through the process with the city. 4120 04:51:40,370 --> 04:51:43,050 Thank you. 4121 04:51:43,050 --> 04:51:45,130 And been giving no nose to pull anything. 4122 04:51:45,130 --> 04:51:50,830 - Does anyone want anything separate? 4123 04:51:50,830 --> 04:51:53,750 Seeing none then we can vote on this whole group. 4124 04:51:53,750 --> 04:51:54,560 Oh, yeah. 4125 04:51:54,560 --> 04:51:56,560 Oh, okay, sorry. 4126 04:51:56,560 --> 04:51:58,290 Seeing none then we can vote on the whole thing 4127 04:51:58,290 --> 04:51:58,880 altogether. 4128 04:51:58,880 --> 04:52:00,740 So Councilor Plaza will move the whole slate 4129 04:52:00,740 --> 04:52:02,590 and I'll see if there are any speakers on these 4130 04:52:02,590 --> 04:52:03,110 buyers. 4131 04:52:03,110 --> 04:52:04,920 Councilor Stevenson. 4132 04:52:04,920 --> 04:52:05,760 - Thank you. 4133 04:52:05,760 --> 04:52:06,750 This is a bit of a follow up 4134 04:52:06,750 --> 04:52:10,190 to the Portfolio Investment Report. 4135 04:52:10,190 --> 04:52:12,770 So the 2025 financial audit, 4136 04:52:12,770 --> 04:52:15,040 we've got the audited statements here. 4137 04:52:15,040 --> 04:52:18,550 And in note 23, it talks about financial 4138 04:52:18,550 --> 04:52:19,150 instruments 4139 04:52:19,150 --> 04:52:22,490 and risk management, it talks about market risk. 4140 04:52:22,490 --> 04:52:24,700 And it says that management monitors this 4141 04:52:24,700 --> 04:52:25,240 exposure 4142 04:52:25,240 --> 04:52:27,680 regularly and estimates that if interest rates 4143 04:52:27,680 --> 04:52:30,930 increased by 1% and all other variables are held 4144 04:52:30,930 --> 04:52:31,700 constant, 4145 04:52:31,700 --> 04:52:34,890 the potential change in unrealized loss 4146 04:52:34,890 --> 04:52:38,240 on its fair valued fixed income holdings 4147 04:52:38,240 --> 04:52:43,220 would be 49,466,000 as compared to 2024 4148 04:52:43,220 --> 04:52:49,160 where there was a $40,948,000 unrealized loss. 4149 04:52:49,160 --> 04:52:53,270 So through you to staff, 4150 04:52:53,270 --> 04:52:55,110 I would just like to understand a little bit more 4151 04:52:55,110 --> 04:53:02,680 about the law-- - Go ahead. 4152 04:53:02,680 --> 04:53:03,640 - Thank you for the chair. 4153 04:53:03,640 --> 04:53:06,790 So generally the city's position is to hold 4154 04:53:06,790 --> 04:53:09,110 all of our investments through to maturity. 4155 04:53:09,110 --> 04:53:11,980 So those are obviously unrealized 4156 04:53:11,980 --> 04:53:13,850 and if they were to go forward, 4157 04:53:13,850 --> 04:53:16,520 is the quantification of the risk. Keep in mind 4158 04:53:16,520 --> 04:53:18,880 that is also on a consolidated basis which takes 4159 04:53:18,880 --> 04:53:21,220 into account all of the boards and commissions 4160 04:53:21,220 --> 04:53:23,510 that also have investments as well as part of 4161 04:53:23,510 --> 04:53:26,220 that portfolio that would include the consolid 4162 04:53:26,220 --> 04:53:29,730 ations that are part of that as well. So certainly 4163 04:53:29,730 --> 04:53:30,050 that 4164 04:53:30,050 --> 04:53:33,600 is generally our policy. We have certainly moved 4165 04:53:33,600 --> 04:53:36,040 to accounting for investments through the 4166 04:53:36,040 --> 04:53:36,510 financial 4167 04:53:36,510 --> 04:53:40,970 instruments new standard that came forward a year 4168 04:53:40,970 --> 04:53:43,870 ago that we have the mark to market so all 4169 04:53:43,870 --> 04:53:47,100 all of our instruments are recorded for American 4170 04:53:47,100 --> 04:53:47,520 value. 4171 04:53:47,520 --> 04:53:49,790 So through the investment report, 4172 04:53:49,790 --> 04:53:51,990 we had noted what those unrealized gains are 4173 04:53:51,990 --> 04:53:53,420 at this point in time. 4174 04:53:53,420 --> 04:53:56,080 And obviously, if we hold to maturity, 4175 04:53:56,080 --> 04:53:58,420 then we don't anticipate to have any losses 4176 04:53:58,420 --> 04:54:03,330 based on the portfolio that the city invests in. 4177 04:54:03,330 --> 04:54:04,230 - Mr. Stevenson. 4178 04:54:04,230 --> 04:54:05,870 - Sorry, so just to, through you then, 4179 04:54:05,870 --> 04:54:09,300 to understand you're not anticipating losses 4180 04:54:09,300 --> 04:54:13,750 at the end of the maturity? 4181 04:54:13,750 --> 04:54:15,430 - Thank you, through the shared note, that is 4182 04:54:15,430 --> 04:54:17,180 correct. 4183 04:54:17,180 --> 04:54:20,700 - Okay, thank you, so that's good to know. 4184 04:54:20,700 --> 04:54:23,130 And I guess this is where I would suggest 4185 04:54:23,130 --> 04:54:25,400 that having that in the investment report 4186 04:54:25,400 --> 04:54:26,820 and explaining it would help 4187 04:54:26,820 --> 04:54:28,690 because when somebody's reading these statements 4188 04:54:28,690 --> 04:54:30,590 and they see that we have an unrealized loss, 4189 04:54:30,590 --> 04:54:33,920 they might wonder why we have a $40 million loss 4190 04:54:33,920 --> 04:54:35,400 in our investments. 4191 04:54:35,400 --> 04:54:39,940 The other thing is I noticed in the financial 4192 04:54:39,940 --> 04:54:40,590 statements 4193 04:54:40,590 --> 04:54:43,940 it talks about credit rating of, 4194 04:54:43,940 --> 04:54:47,810 talks about credit risk, this is in 23B, 4195 04:54:47,810 --> 04:54:50,580 talks about credit risk and the credit rating 4196 04:54:50,580 --> 04:54:53,980 of the corporation's fixed income holdings. 4197 04:54:53,980 --> 04:54:58,760 So I noticed that in 2024, 4198 04:54:58,760 --> 04:55:02,920 we had 2.8% of the holdings were triple B credit 4199 04:55:02,920 --> 04:55:03,500 rating. 4200 04:55:03,500 --> 04:55:05,210 And in previous years, 4201 04:55:05,210 --> 04:55:07,360 I think we had the similar kind of amount. 4202 04:55:07,360 --> 04:55:09,300 I noticed that a couple of cities, 4203 04:55:09,300 --> 04:55:11,630 they aren't allowed like in their investment 4204 04:55:11,630 --> 04:55:11,970 policy. 4205 04:55:11,970 --> 04:55:17,230 It says that they must invest in A and above. 4206 04:55:17,760 --> 04:55:21,510 And so I'm just wondering, are there any limits 4207 04:55:21,510 --> 04:55:25,910 or restrictions on what staff are investing in 4208 04:55:25,910 --> 04:55:39,170 and why the move out of the triple B? 4209 04:55:39,170 --> 04:55:40,130 - Thank you through the chair. 4210 04:55:40,130 --> 04:55:44,970 So the city of London under the investment policy 4211 04:55:44,970 --> 04:55:46,670 in accordance with Municipal Act. 4212 04:55:46,670 --> 04:55:49,240 So the restrictions are very, very specific 4213 04:55:49,240 --> 04:55:51,100 as to what the city can invest in. 4214 04:55:51,100 --> 04:55:54,820 I wish I had the question before, 4215 04:55:54,820 --> 04:55:55,980 'cause I could have been able to point 4216 04:55:55,980 --> 04:55:57,650 to exactly what that's from. 4217 04:55:57,650 --> 04:55:59,650 I'm going to assume that that is part 4218 04:55:59,650 --> 04:56:02,580 of one of the consolidated entities that are 4219 04:56:02,580 --> 04:56:03,200 investments 4220 04:56:03,200 --> 04:56:05,690 'cause the city does not typically invest in 4221 04:56:05,690 --> 04:56:07,230 triple B bonds 4222 04:56:07,230 --> 04:56:09,340 'cause that's not typically one of the things 4223 04:56:09,340 --> 04:56:10,820 that our investment portfolio 4224 04:56:10,820 --> 04:56:13,530 and is not part of our investment policy. 4225 04:56:13,530 --> 04:56:15,640 So I'm sorry, I don't have the information to 4226 04:56:15,640 --> 04:56:16,120 point to 4227 04:56:16,120 --> 04:56:18,040 exactly what that entity is, 4228 04:56:18,040 --> 04:56:20,030 but those are not investments that is held by the 4229 04:56:20,030 --> 04:56:20,190 city 4230 04:56:20,190 --> 04:56:22,700 of London noting that this is a consolidated 4231 04:56:22,700 --> 04:56:23,180 entity 4232 04:56:23,180 --> 04:56:24,980 and would take into account all in the 4233 04:56:24,980 --> 04:56:25,700 investments 4234 04:56:25,700 --> 04:56:28,570 of the consolidated ABCs that are also part 4235 04:56:28,570 --> 04:56:32,730 city of London. Okay, thank you through through 4236 04:56:32,730 --> 04:56:36,190 you. That's helpful. Like I said, I understand 4237 04:56:36,190 --> 04:56:36,290 the 4238 04:56:36,190 --> 04:56:38,480 municipal act doesn't do it, but I did look up 4239 04:56:38,480 --> 04:56:40,750 other city's investment policies and they say 4240 04:56:40,750 --> 04:56:44,450 A and above and it sounds like we're A and above 4241 04:56:44,450 --> 04:56:46,550 as well. And yet we've got boards and 4242 04:56:46,550 --> 04:56:48,570 commissions that are less than that. So that's 4243 04:56:48,570 --> 04:56:50,590 interesting. I'll be looking into that a little 4244 04:56:50,590 --> 04:56:54,210 further. The other thing on the financial 4245 04:56:54,210 --> 04:57:02,870 statements was, so in under the credit rating, 4246 04:57:02,870 --> 04:57:07,840 it says there was quite a shift in double A 4247 04:57:07,840 --> 04:57:11,750 credit rating. So of our fixed income holdings, 4248 04:57:11,750 --> 04:57:16,960 in 2024 we had 43 double A, now it's down to 29 4249 04:57:16,960 --> 04:57:21,460 percent and yet the A has gone from 34 up to 50. 4250 04:57:21,460 --> 04:57:24,740 So for those that don't understand the credit 4251 04:57:24,740 --> 04:57:27,490 ratings on the fixed income holdings, 4252 04:57:27,490 --> 04:57:30,730 I just threw you to staff would be curious as to 4253 04:57:30,730 --> 04:57:33,840 how you monitor that. You know, are there any 4254 04:57:33,840 --> 04:57:37,440 concerns. What does it mean to see that that 4255 04:57:37,440 --> 04:57:40,930 shift down to the AA fixed income 4256 04:57:40,930 --> 04:57:53,170 holdings? Thank you for the chair. My apologies 4257 04:57:53,170 --> 04:57:55,780 without the detail behind this 4258 04:57:55,780 --> 04:57:58,580 note of where all those numbers are coming from. 4259 04:57:58,580 --> 04:58:00,710 It's a little bit challenging to 4260 04:58:00,710 --> 04:58:03,040 be able to give you exact information. I'd have 4261 04:58:03,040 --> 04:58:04,220 to go back and look at that 4262 04:58:04,220 --> 04:58:08,400 information. Certainly at a global basis as we're 4263 04:58:08,400 --> 04:58:10,170 looking at our investment 4264 04:58:10,170 --> 04:58:12,300 policy sets out where that is. 4265 04:58:12,300 --> 04:58:15,260 Most cases, we are investing in government bonds 4266 04:58:15,260 --> 04:58:15,740 and things 4267 04:58:15,740 --> 04:58:18,250 that are certainly on the higher end. 4268 04:58:18,250 --> 04:58:21,360 And one of the things from our investment policy 4269 04:58:21,360 --> 04:58:23,480 is to ensure how we monitor that. 4270 04:58:23,480 --> 04:58:26,550 And as we're holding them through to the end and 4271 04:58:26,550 --> 04:58:27,270 the maturity 4272 04:58:27,270 --> 04:58:28,980 dates, there are no losses. 4273 04:58:28,980 --> 04:58:32,140 And we're basically monitoring on a regular basis 4274 04:58:32,140 --> 04:58:35,820 how those investments are providing those returns 4275 04:58:35,820 --> 04:58:36,100 . 4276 04:58:36,100 --> 04:58:37,830 So based on the investment report that 4277 04:58:37,830 --> 04:58:42,020 was earlier provided earlier this afternoon. 4278 04:58:42,020 --> 04:58:44,550 That does set out the returns that have been 4279 04:58:44,550 --> 04:58:45,100 forward. 4280 04:58:45,100 --> 04:58:47,430 So because it's consolidated, it's a little bit 4281 04:58:47,430 --> 04:58:47,860 challenging 4282 04:58:47,860 --> 04:58:50,180 to look at the percentages and be able to tell 4283 04:58:50,180 --> 04:58:50,970 you exactly 4284 04:58:50,970 --> 04:58:53,410 without the numbers in front of me exactly where 4285 04:58:53,410 --> 04:58:53,930 those are 4286 04:58:53,930 --> 04:58:55,690 with respect to the various boards and 4287 04:58:55,690 --> 04:58:56,530 commissions as well 4288 04:58:56,530 --> 04:58:58,000 and where those investments are. 4289 04:58:58,000 --> 04:59:00,200 But generally through our investment policy, 4290 04:59:00,200 --> 04:59:02,840 we are trying to hold the highest grade as much 4291 04:59:02,840 --> 04:59:03,600 as possible 4292 04:59:03,600 --> 04:59:06,160 and then depending on some of those entities, 4293 04:59:06,160 --> 04:59:08,310 we would need to monitor on a regular basis 4294 04:59:08,310 --> 04:59:10,230 if there are credit rate changes, 4295 04:59:10,230 --> 04:59:12,270 that if there was something that was held 4296 04:59:12,270 --> 04:59:15,430 in a particular entity that got downgraded 4297 04:59:15,430 --> 04:59:17,380 while we were holding that investment, 4298 04:59:17,380 --> 04:59:20,060 we would look to find the right time 4299 04:59:20,060 --> 04:59:22,100 to hold that through to maturity 4300 04:59:22,100 --> 04:59:23,820 and then sell it at that time 4301 04:59:23,820 --> 04:59:25,410 so that we're not selling at a loss 4302 04:59:25,410 --> 04:59:28,050 and then would ensure we would not go forward. 4303 04:59:28,050 --> 04:59:29,650 So certainly one of the things 4304 04:59:29,650 --> 04:59:31,250 that would primarily look at this 4305 04:59:31,250 --> 04:59:33,370 is the city's one investment fund 4306 04:59:33,370 --> 04:59:35,570 where we have a large proportion of our equity 4307 04:59:35,570 --> 04:59:36,180 holdings. 4308 04:59:36,180 --> 04:59:39,140 So within that, that is managed through the one 4309 04:59:39,140 --> 04:59:40,140 investment 4310 04:59:40,140 --> 04:59:42,480 of which the City of London is one of the many 4311 04:59:42,480 --> 04:59:43,250 municipalities 4312 04:59:43,250 --> 04:59:44,450 that invest in that. 4313 04:59:44,450 --> 04:59:47,130 That is primarily where you will have other 4314 04:59:47,130 --> 04:59:49,330 very abilities that are there, 4315 04:59:49,330 --> 04:59:51,370 that which the city does not have direct control 4316 04:59:51,370 --> 04:59:51,920 over, 4317 04:59:51,920 --> 04:59:53,920 but which that board monitors what those 4318 04:59:53,920 --> 04:59:55,040 investments are 4319 04:59:55,040 --> 04:59:56,880 and ensures the proper mix. 4320 04:59:56,880 --> 05:00:00,630 So I'm going to garner a guess that the majority 4321 05:00:00,630 --> 05:00:00,990 of those 4322 05:00:00,990 --> 05:00:04,710 tied to that investment and the city's share but 4323 05:00:04,710 --> 05:00:06,510 without the details it's very challenging 4324 05:00:06,510 --> 05:00:08,850 but that would generally at a broad level be how 4325 05:00:08,850 --> 05:00:09,950 that would happen. 4326 05:00:09,950 --> 05:00:16,420 Thank you I appreciate that and appreciate that 4327 05:00:16,420 --> 05:00:19,740 you don't have these all off the top of your head 4328 05:00:19,740 --> 05:00:22,040 totally understand that and I apologize for not 4329 05:00:22,040 --> 05:00:24,160 getting the detailed questions to you earlier. 4330 05:00:24,160 --> 05:00:29,130 I guess the only point I want to make is that as 4331 05:00:29,130 --> 05:00:33,240 I said at committee the amount in our investment 4332 05:00:33,240 --> 05:00:35,860 portfolio is significantly higher than some of 4333 05:00:35,860 --> 05:00:38,080 the comparable municipalities. We're about 4334 05:00:38,080 --> 05:00:41,400 1.4 or something of our annual budget. Other 4335 05:00:41,400 --> 05:00:44,790 municipalities were like 0.3, 0.5, one of 4336 05:00:44,790 --> 05:00:47,860 them was 0.8. I obviously didn't do a full scan. 4337 05:00:47,860 --> 05:00:50,780 But I think given the amount of money, 4338 05:00:50,780 --> 05:00:53,900 $1.8 billion being invested and some of the notes 4339 05:00:53,900 --> 05:00:56,360 in the financial statements may be raising 4340 05:00:56,360 --> 05:00:59,500 concerns that it sounds like are unwarranted, I 4341 05:00:59,500 --> 05:01:02,450 would love to see the investment report come 4342 05:01:02,450 --> 05:01:06,620 with those excerpts from the financial statements 4343 05:01:06,620 --> 05:01:08,310 with some explanations so 4344 05:01:08,310 --> 05:01:10,650 that Londoners who are interested in this kind of 4345 05:01:10,650 --> 05:01:11,960 thing and I get that it's not 4346 05:01:11,960 --> 05:01:15,510 everybody can see that information transparently. 4347 05:01:15,510 --> 05:01:17,190 I didn't pull it. I'm 4348 05:01:17,190 --> 05:01:19,030 supportive of everything in here. I just want to 4349 05:01:19,030 --> 05:01:20,280 make those points. Thank you. 4350 05:01:20,280 --> 05:01:24,010 Okay other speakers to the audit committee report 4351 05:01:24,010 --> 05:01:27,040 . Okay seeing none we'll 4352 05:01:27,040 --> 05:01:38,320 open that for voting. Let's close in the vote. 4353 05:01:38,320 --> 05:01:43,510 Motion carries 12 to 0. Thanks 4354 05:01:43,510 --> 05:01:49,750 Councilor Palosa. We're on two added reports. 4355 05:01:49,750 --> 05:01:53,200 There's one coming out of the in-camera session 4356 05:01:53,200 --> 05:01:56,000 and Councilor Frank, although I gave it to you a 4357 05:01:56,000 --> 05:01:58,090 long time ago, is going to read that 4358 05:01:58,090 --> 05:01:59,900 out because she's the vice chair of the committee 4359 05:01:59,900 --> 05:02:01,790 that the report is linked to. So I'll happy 4360 05:02:01,790 --> 05:02:05,070 to present that report. Thank you. The 11th 4361 05:02:05,070 --> 05:02:06,610 report of the Council in closed session, 4362 05:02:06,610 --> 05:02:08,940 your Council in closed session report, Grand of 4363 05:02:08,940 --> 05:02:11,730 Eastman, 1712 Dundas Street, Pottersburg, 4364 05:02:11,730 --> 05:02:14,720 phase three sanitary project that as a procedural 4365 05:02:14,720 --> 05:02:17,400 matter pursuant to section 239 six of the 4366 05:02:17,400 --> 05:02:19,820 municipal act 2001 the following recommendation 4367 05:02:19,820 --> 05:02:21,710 be forwarded to council in closed session for 4368 05:02:21,710 --> 05:02:23,470 the purpose of considering whether the 4369 05:02:23,470 --> 05:02:25,900 recommendation should be forwarded to council for 4370 05:02:25,900 --> 05:02:26,430 deliberation 4371 05:02:26,430 --> 05:02:28,190 and a vote in public session that on the 4372 05:02:28,190 --> 05:02:30,600 recommendation of the deputy city manager finance 4373 05:02:30,600 --> 05:02:31,220 supports 4374 05:02:31,220 --> 05:02:33,050 with the concurrence of the deputy city manager 4375 05:02:33,050 --> 05:02:34,980 environment and infrastructure on the advice 4376 05:02:34,980 --> 05:02:37,310 of the director realty services with respect to 4377 05:02:37,310 --> 05:02:39,770 the property located at 1712 Dundas street 4378 05:02:39,770 --> 05:02:42,480 further described as being part of lot 10 and 4379 05:02:42,480 --> 05:02:46,010 part of lot 17 on registered plan number 19 4380 05:02:46,010 --> 05:02:49,560 and to be further described by the new reference 4381 05:02:49,560 --> 05:02:52,800 plan as shown on the location map as Appendix B 4382 05:02:52,800 --> 05:02:54,560 for the purpose of installing a new municipal 4383 05:02:54,560 --> 05:02:55,820 infrastructure and connection with the Potters 4384 05:02:55,820 --> 05:02:56,230 burg 4385 05:02:56,230 --> 05:02:59,050 Phase 3 sanitary project the following actions be 4386 05:02:59,050 --> 05:03:01,210 taken a the grant of easement agreement 4387 05:03:01,210 --> 05:03:01,590 substantially 4388 05:03:01,590 --> 05:03:05,770 in the form as Appendix C submitted by 382672 4389 05:03:05,770 --> 05:03:08,480 Ontario limited the transfer to grant and eas 4390 05:03:08,480 --> 05:03:08,700 ement 4391 05:03:08,700 --> 05:03:10,580 and over the portion of the subject property to 4392 05:03:10,580 --> 05:03:11,220 the city 4393 05:03:11,220 --> 05:03:12,810 to construct municipal infrastructure 4394 05:03:12,810 --> 05:03:15,330 for the sum of $350,000 be accepted. 4395 05:03:15,330 --> 05:03:16,690 Subject to the terms and conditions 4396 05:03:16,690 --> 05:03:17,850 as set out in the agreement. 4397 05:03:17,850 --> 05:03:20,390 And B, the civic administration be directed 4398 05:03:20,390 --> 05:03:22,200 to apply the financing for this procurement 4399 05:03:22,200 --> 05:03:23,960 as set out in the source of financing report 4400 05:03:23,960 --> 05:03:26,520 as Appendix A, that progress is made with respect 4401 05:03:26,520 --> 05:03:31,530 to items 4.1, 4.2, 4.4, 4.5, 4.6, and 4.7 4402 05:03:31,530 --> 05:03:36,190 as noted on the public agenda. 4403 05:03:36,190 --> 05:03:37,920 - Okay, you get to, that's like presenting a 4404 05:03:37,920 --> 05:03:38,080 report 4405 05:03:38,080 --> 05:03:38,900 So you get to stay. 4406 05:03:38,900 --> 05:03:41,790 Is there any, so that's moved by you? 4407 05:03:41,790 --> 05:03:45,110 Any discussion on that? 4408 05:03:45,110 --> 05:04:01,900 Okay, see none, we'll open that for voting. 4409 05:04:01,900 --> 05:04:04,660 - Councillor Hopkins votes yes. 4410 05:04:04,660 --> 05:04:08,390 - Councillor for votes yes. 4411 05:04:08,390 --> 05:04:18,740 - No, thank you. 4412 05:04:18,740 --> 05:04:22,980 Those in the vote, motion carries 12 to zero. 4413 05:04:22,980 --> 05:04:25,050 - Okay, deferred matters. 4414 05:04:25,050 --> 05:04:27,740 There are none, inquiries. 4415 05:04:27,740 --> 05:04:30,490 See none, version of motions that were none 4416 05:04:30,490 --> 05:04:31,480 submitted. 4417 05:04:31,480 --> 05:04:33,250 We're on to bylaws. 4418 05:04:33,250 --> 05:04:35,660 I've got good news and bad news is, 4419 05:04:35,660 --> 05:04:37,490 good news is it's the last thing. 4420 05:04:37,490 --> 05:04:41,740 Bad news is we have to do 27 separate votes 4421 05:04:41,740 --> 05:04:43,680 based on the conflicts and what people ask 4422 05:04:43,680 --> 05:04:44,660 to be pulled separately. 4423 05:04:44,660 --> 05:04:48,050 So we'll work our way through them. 4424 05:04:48,050 --> 05:04:50,090 - You worship, I'm happy to serve as a member for 4425 05:04:50,090 --> 05:04:51,230 all of them. 4426 05:04:51,230 --> 05:04:53,550 - Perfect, you can move from all. 4427 05:04:53,550 --> 05:04:55,800 Councillor Caddy, always reliable to second them 4428 05:04:55,800 --> 05:04:56,100 all. 4429 05:04:56,100 --> 05:05:00,040 'Cause he's an agreeable guy. 4430 05:05:00,040 --> 05:05:01,210 Okay, so we're gonna work through them. 4431 05:05:01,210 --> 05:05:02,960 I'm gonna say which ones they are. 4432 05:05:02,960 --> 05:05:05,350 So colleagues can decide their votes, 4433 05:05:05,350 --> 05:05:21,210 but we're gonna start with, okay. 4434 05:05:21,210 --> 05:05:23,900 Someone pulled that separate. 4435 05:05:23,900 --> 05:05:26,400 Okay, we're gonna start with the confirming by- 4436 05:05:26,400 --> 05:05:26,810 law. 4437 05:05:26,810 --> 05:05:29,810 So that'll be the first one moved by Councillor C 4438 05:05:29,810 --> 05:05:30,450 utty. 4439 05:05:30,450 --> 05:05:32,100 I'll move by Deputy Mayor Lewis, seconded by Coun 4440 05:05:32,100 --> 05:05:32,420 cillor Cutty. 4441 05:05:32,420 --> 05:05:46,790 We'll open the first reading for voting. 4442 05:05:46,790 --> 05:05:50,090 - Closing the vote, motion carries 12-0. 4443 05:05:50,090 --> 05:05:52,950 - Okay, and second reading, any debate or 4444 05:05:52,950 --> 05:05:54,340 discussion? 4445 05:05:54,340 --> 05:05:55,690 Seeing none, same mover and seconder, 4446 05:05:55,690 --> 05:06:04,310 we'll open second reading for voting. 4447 05:06:04,310 --> 05:06:06,460 - Motion carries 12-0. 4448 05:06:06,460 --> 05:06:07,790 - Third and final reading of this, 4449 05:06:07,790 --> 05:06:09,500 same mover and seconder, we'll open that for 4450 05:06:09,500 --> 05:06:22,290 voting. 4451 05:06:22,290 --> 05:06:26,460 - Here is 12-0. 4452 05:06:26,460 --> 05:06:38,230 - Next one is gonna be bill 239, which is, 4453 05:06:38,230 --> 05:06:40,760 so this one is the contribution agreement 4454 05:06:40,760 --> 05:06:47,460 related to Duluth Crescent Block 6, 18, 4455 05:06:47,460 --> 05:06:50,000 sorry, 1958 Duluth Crescent Block 6. 4456 05:06:50,000 --> 05:06:53,750 Okay, so let's move to seconded 4457 05:06:53,750 --> 05:07:09,080 and we'll open first reading for voting. 4458 05:07:09,080 --> 05:07:09,900 - Thank you. 4459 05:07:09,900 --> 05:07:11,660 Just noting that Councilor Palosa indicated 4460 05:07:11,660 --> 05:07:13,490 she needed to leave the meeting. 4461 05:07:13,490 --> 05:07:15,820 Marking her as absent, closing the vote. 4462 05:07:15,820 --> 05:07:18,880 Motion carries 9-2. 4463 05:07:18,880 --> 05:07:22,780 - Okay, and second reading, any discussion? 4464 05:07:22,780 --> 05:07:24,460 Okay, seeing none, we'll open second reading for 4465 05:07:24,460 --> 05:07:38,760 voting. 4466 05:07:38,760 --> 05:07:43,030 - Closing the vote, motion carries 9-2. 4467 05:07:43,030 --> 05:07:44,740 - Okay, third and final reading, we'll open that 4468 05:07:44,740 --> 05:08:02,060 for voting. 4469 05:08:02,060 --> 05:08:09,790 - Councilor Pribble, Councillor Lewis. 4470 05:08:09,790 --> 05:08:17,190 Motion carries 9-2. 4471 05:08:17,190 --> 05:08:19,090 - Okay, next one is bill 241, 4472 05:08:19,090 --> 05:08:22,610 which is the Green Municipal Fund Grant Agreement 4473 05:08:22,610 --> 05:08:23,910 . 4474 05:08:23,910 --> 05:08:25,750 We will use the same over in seconder 4475 05:08:25,750 --> 05:08:35,350 and we'll open first reading for voting. 4476 05:08:35,350 --> 05:08:38,780 - Motion carries 10-1. 4477 05:08:38,780 --> 05:08:41,930 - And second reading, any discussion? 4478 05:08:41,930 --> 05:08:44,790 Seeing none, we'll open second reading for voting 4479 05:08:44,790 --> 05:08:49,700 . 4480 05:08:49,700 --> 05:08:58,620 - Motion carries 10-1. 4481 05:08:58,620 --> 05:09:06,770 - And third reading, we'll open that for voting. 4482 05:09:06,770 --> 05:09:13,580 - Motion carries 10-1. 4483 05:09:13,580 --> 05:09:16,450 - The next one is gonna be bill 244, 4484 05:09:16,450 --> 05:09:18,510 which is the by-law to amend 4485 05:09:18,510 --> 05:09:23,050 the administrative monetary penalties system, 4486 05:09:23,050 --> 05:09:24,930 or bylaw, essentially. 4487 05:09:24,930 --> 05:09:26,900 So we'll use the same move in seconder 4488 05:09:26,900 --> 05:09:37,340 and we'll open that for voting. 4489 05:09:37,340 --> 05:09:41,330 - And carries 10-1. 4490 05:09:41,330 --> 05:09:43,830 - Second reading, any discussion? 4491 05:09:43,830 --> 05:09:55,220 Seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 4492 05:09:55,220 --> 05:09:56,850 - Councillor Trussell, thank you. 4493 05:09:56,850 --> 05:09:59,290 Motion carries 10-1. 4494 05:09:59,290 --> 05:10:00,520 - Third and final reading, 4495 05:10:00,520 --> 05:10:12,560 and we'll open third reading for voting. 4496 05:10:12,560 --> 05:10:24,490 - Motion carries 10-1. 4497 05:10:24,490 --> 05:10:26,490 - Yeah, the next one is bill 257, 4498 05:10:26,490 --> 05:10:31,100 which is 2496 Dundas Street East. 4499 05:10:31,100 --> 05:10:32,520 We'll open first reading for voting 4500 05:10:32,520 --> 05:10:44,250 with the same move in seconder. 4501 05:10:44,250 --> 05:10:46,630 - And carries 10-1. 4502 05:10:46,630 --> 05:10:50,500 and second reading on this for any discussion. 4503 05:10:50,500 --> 05:11:01,740 Seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 4504 05:11:01,740 --> 05:11:03,770 - And carries 10 to one. 4505 05:11:03,770 --> 05:11:05,650 - Third and final reading, we will open that for 4506 05:11:05,650 --> 05:11:16,570 voting. 4507 05:11:16,570 --> 05:11:20,760 - And carries 10, one. 4508 05:11:20,760 --> 05:11:25,830 - All right, the next one is two, oh, 259, 4509 05:11:25,830 --> 05:11:31,550 which is 1057 to 1061 Richmond Street. 4510 05:11:31,550 --> 05:11:33,790 We'll use the same, we'll open first reading for 4511 05:11:33,790 --> 05:11:44,380 voting. 4512 05:11:44,380 --> 05:11:49,400 - And carries eight to three. 4513 05:11:49,400 --> 05:11:52,890 - Second reading, and we will look for any 4514 05:11:52,890 --> 05:11:54,460 discussion. 4515 05:11:54,460 --> 05:12:08,660 Seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 4516 05:12:08,660 --> 05:12:10,270 - Mr. Stevenson. 4517 05:12:10,270 --> 05:12:11,500 - I vote yes. 4518 05:12:11,500 --> 05:12:20,690 - No to thank you, motion carries eight to three. 4519 05:12:20,690 --> 05:12:21,870 Okay, third and final reading, we're going to 4520 05:12:21,870 --> 05:12:23,870 open that for voting. 4521 05:12:23,870 --> 05:12:36,250 Carries 8-3. 4522 05:12:36,250 --> 05:12:54,180 Okay, the next is bill 260, which is 36 Weathered 4523 05:12:54,180 --> 05:12:54,660 Street. 4524 05:12:54,660 --> 05:12:57,370 We'll open first reading for voting. 4525 05:12:57,370 --> 05:13:22,450 Sir Trussell, carries 9-2. 4526 05:13:22,450 --> 05:13:26,800 Second reading, I look for any discussion. 4527 05:13:26,800 --> 05:13:39,880 Seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 4528 05:13:39,880 --> 05:13:40,800 Carries 8-3. 4529 05:13:40,800 --> 05:13:45,480 Third and final reading of that, we'll open that 4530 05:13:45,480 --> 05:13:45,960 for voting. 4531 05:13:45,960 --> 05:14:00,420 Carries 8-3. 4532 05:14:00,420 --> 05:14:04,970 Okay, next is bill 261, which is 929 Cheap Side. 4533 05:14:04,970 --> 05:14:16,900 We will open first reading for voting. 4534 05:14:16,900 --> 05:14:17,860 Carries 7-4. 4535 05:14:17,860 --> 05:14:21,930 Second reading, is there any discussion? 4536 05:14:21,930 --> 05:14:24,080 Seeing none, we'll open that for voting. 4537 05:14:24,080 --> 05:14:43,910 that for voting prayer votes yes noted thank you 4538 05:14:43,910 --> 05:14:51,760 motion carries 7 to 4 a third 4539 05:14:51,760 --> 05:15:01,630 and final reading we'll open that for voting and 4540 05:15:01,630 --> 05:15:10,040 carries 7 for okay the next 4541 05:15:10,040 --> 05:15:12,570 motion is everything else that we didn't do so 4542 05:15:12,570 --> 05:15:37,190 all the pieces together you want 4543 05:15:37,190 --> 05:15:41,150 to 58 separate okay we can do that we just got to 4544 05:15:41,150 --> 05:15:42,410 pull it out of the motion 4545 05:15:42,410 --> 05:16:34,170 sorry all right now we're gonna do first reading 4546 05:16:34,170 --> 05:16:35,600 of 258 which is the one you 4547 05:16:35,600 --> 05:16:38,010 just asked for separate the temporary zoning on 4548 05:16:38,010 --> 05:16:40,430 the parking lot we'll open 4549 05:16:40,430 --> 05:16:49,250 that for voting first reading motion carries 10 1 4550 05:16:49,250 --> 05:16:52,170 and second reading any 4551 05:16:52,170 --> 05:17:25,380 discussion. Seeing none we'll open that for 4552 05:17:25,380 --> 05:17:28,020 voting. Carries 10-1 and third and 4553 05:17:28,020 --> 05:17:29,710 final reading of this by-law will open that for 4554 05:17:29,710 --> 05:17:50,840 voting. Motion carries 10-1. 4555 05:17:50,840 --> 05:18:03,590 Now we're going to try to deal with everything 4556 05:18:03,590 --> 05:18:04,860 else. Everybody's good with 4557 05:18:04,860 --> 05:18:17,740 that. Okay okay we'll open that for voting all 4558 05:18:17,740 --> 05:18:24,330 remaining by-laws. Motion 4559 05:18:24,330 --> 05:18:31,760 carries 11-0. Okay second reading any discussion. 4560 05:18:31,760 --> 05:18:33,120 Seeing none we'll open that 4561 05:18:33,120 --> 05:18:55,810 for voting. Motion carries 11-0. Final reading on 4562 05:18:55,810 --> 05:19:30,750 that for voting. Councillor 4563 05:19:30,750 --> 05:19:36,610 Luke thank you. Motion carries 11-0. Okay that's 4564 05:19:36,610 --> 05:19:39,170 all the by-laws so I'll just 4565 05:19:39,170 --> 05:19:41,370 Let's look for a motion to adjourn. 4566 05:19:41,370 --> 05:19:43,680 Moved by Councillor Hough and seconded by Coun 4567 05:19:43,680 --> 05:19:44,910 cillor Frank. 4568 05:19:44,910 --> 05:19:45,850 We can do that by hand. 4569 05:19:45,850 --> 05:19:47,550 All those in favor? 4570 05:19:47,550 --> 05:19:48,590 Motion carries. 4571 05:19:48,590 --> 05:19:49,590 All right. 4572 05:19:49,590 --> 05:19:50,330 We're adjourned.