1 00:16:22,590 --> 00:16:24,360 - Okay, good afternoon, everyone. 2 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,490 I'm happy to take your seats. 3 00:16:26,490 --> 00:16:28,070 Thank you for joining us for the ninth meeting 4 00:16:28,070 --> 00:16:30,040 of the Infrastructure and Corporate Services 5 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:30,550 Committee 6 00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:34,250 under these unusually bright lights today. 7 00:16:34,250 --> 00:16:35,990 Please check the city website 8 00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:38,120 for additional meeting detail information. 9 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,510 The city of London is situated 10 00:16:39,510 --> 00:16:41,480 on the traditional lands of the Anishinaabeg, 11 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,540 Konnashoni, Anawampag, and the Adwandran. 12 00:16:44,540 --> 00:16:46,060 We honor and respect the history languages 13 00:16:46,060 --> 00:16:47,700 and culture that diverse indigenous people 14 00:16:47,700 --> 00:16:49,160 call this territory home. 15 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:50,370 The city of London is currently home 16 00:16:50,370 --> 00:16:53,220 to many First Nations, Métis, and Inuit today, 17 00:16:53,220 --> 00:16:54,770 as representatives of the people of the city of 18 00:16:54,770 --> 00:16:55,060 London. 19 00:16:55,060 --> 00:16:56,470 We are grateful to have the opportunity 20 00:16:56,470 --> 00:16:58,800 to work and live in this territory. 21 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,700 We have a number of visiting counselors with us 22 00:17:00,700 --> 00:17:02,950 in terms of committee members. 23 00:17:02,950 --> 00:17:05,400 We have myself, Councillor van Merbergen 24 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,790 and Councillor Palosa online. 25 00:17:07,790 --> 00:17:09,450 City of London is committed to making every 26 00:17:09,450 --> 00:17:10,290 effort 27 00:17:10,290 --> 00:17:12,190 provide alternate formats and communication 28 00:17:12,190 --> 00:17:12,610 supports 29 00:17:12,610 --> 00:17:14,980 for meetings on request to make a request 30 00:17:14,980 --> 00:17:15,300 specific 31 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:19,270 to this meeting, please contact icse@london.ca or 32 00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:20,250 519-661-2489 33 00:17:22,430 --> 00:17:24,700 extension two, four, two, five. 34 00:17:24,700 --> 00:17:27,080 And I just also want to say before we get this 35 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:27,340 meeting 36 00:17:27,340 --> 00:17:29,510 started, we do currently have quorum. 37 00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:32,060 We just have three members, but at two o'clock, 38 00:17:32,060 --> 00:17:33,570 we'll be losing Councillor Palosa. 39 00:17:33,570 --> 00:17:35,000 So we will lose quorum. 40 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,040 So just as a reminder, please keep your comments 41 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,560 as brief as possible, just so we can maintain qu 42 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:40,920 orum 43 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,380 and get through this meeting agenda. 44 00:17:43,380 --> 00:17:44,900 And with that, I'll look for disclosures 45 00:17:44,900 --> 00:17:48,000 of continuing your interest. 46 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,370 Okay, not seeing any. 47 00:17:49,370 --> 00:17:50,960 We are on to consent items. 48 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,990 I have not had any pull requests. 49 00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:55,770 So unless there are any objections, 50 00:17:55,770 --> 00:17:57,420 we can do these together. 51 00:17:57,420 --> 00:17:58,680 Looking for a motion. 52 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,400 Councilor Van Meerbergen, I will second that. 53 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,180 So that would be, oh, sorry, go ahead. 54 00:18:05,180 --> 00:18:05,990 - Thank you, Chair. 55 00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:10,810 No, I'd like to pull 2.6, consent. 56 00:18:10,810 --> 00:18:13,440 - Okay, so 2.6 will be pulled. 57 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:20,530 We have 2.1, 2.5, 2.7, any objections 58 00:18:20,530 --> 00:18:23,880 to those being done as a block? 59 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,000 Okay, I'm not seeing anybody, 60 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,060 did you want to move those others? 61 00:18:27,060 --> 00:18:29,580 Councilor Meerbergen, I will second those. 62 00:18:29,580 --> 00:18:34,640 So we're on 2.1 to 2.5 and 2.7. 63 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,240 So those are on the floor looking for questions 64 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,530 or comments. 65 00:18:40,530 --> 00:18:44,200 Councillor Ferri, do you have your hand up or? 66 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,100 Okay, Councillor Hopkins, I think he was pointing 67 00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:46,360 to you. 68 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:48,680 So you go first and then Councillor. 69 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,220 - Thank you, Councillor Ferriero. 70 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:51,960 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 71 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,570 I do have a question on 2.2, 72 00:18:55,570 --> 00:18:59,180 which is the Dingman Creek sub-water stage two 73 00:18:59,180 --> 00:18:59,980 lands, 74 00:18:59,980 --> 00:19:02,350 EA and maybe through you to staff. 75 00:19:02,350 --> 00:19:05,110 Really appreciate the update and the work 76 00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:09,890 that is going on with the Dinglin Creek Stage 2EA 77 00:19:09,890 --> 00:19:09,990 . 78 00:19:09,890 --> 00:19:12,880 I understand we have had a number of project 79 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:13,310 delays. 80 00:19:13,310 --> 00:19:16,500 We are expanding the scope of work, 81 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:18,930 as well as the community engagement. 82 00:19:18,930 --> 00:19:22,310 Just wondering if staff can just share some more 83 00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:22,710 information 84 00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:24,920 about what that community engagement would look 85 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:25,210 like, 86 00:19:25,210 --> 00:19:29,190 as well as what is the projected timelines for 87 00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:31,000 completion. 88 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,100 Thank you. 89 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:32,890 - Go ahead, Ms. Meron. 90 00:19:32,890 --> 00:19:35,620 Meron? 91 00:19:35,620 --> 00:19:36,440 - Thank you, through the chair. 92 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,300 - The additional consultation work is related 93 00:19:39,300 --> 00:19:42,780 to the council resolution to have us go back 94 00:19:42,780 --> 00:19:44,840 regarding the two zone policy versus the cut fail 95 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:45,310 policy 96 00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:47,060 for the official plan amendment. 97 00:19:47,060 --> 00:19:48,960 So that's the additional consultation work 98 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,490 that will be taking place. 99 00:19:51,490 --> 00:19:53,100 - Follow up, Councillor. 100 00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:56,830 - And just as a follow up to that expectations 101 00:19:56,830 --> 00:19:58,740 on when this work will be completed, 102 00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:01,280 is it, do we have an idea or do we still have to 103 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:01,530 go 104 00:20:01,530 --> 00:20:04,830 through the necessary community engagements, et c 105 00:20:04,830 --> 00:20:06,360 etera? 106 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:07,610 - Go ahead to that. 107 00:20:07,610 --> 00:20:08,600 - Thank you through your chair, yes. 108 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,480 I would expect to complete that engagement this 109 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:10,700 year 110 00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:13,110 and be prepared to bring back the official plan 111 00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:13,900 amendment 112 00:20:13,900 --> 00:20:18,090 to the new council as directed in the new year. 113 00:20:18,090 --> 00:20:22,330 - Follow-up, Councilor, okay, thank you. 114 00:20:22,330 --> 00:20:25,070 Councilor Ferra, go ahead. 115 00:20:25,070 --> 00:20:25,910 - Thank you, Chair. 116 00:20:25,910 --> 00:20:27,410 Thank you for recognizing me as a visiting member 117 00:20:27,410 --> 00:20:27,580 . 118 00:20:27,580 --> 00:20:28,820 I'm just here for the item 119 00:20:28,820 --> 00:20:31,410 with respect to Fanshawe College's agreement 120 00:20:31,410 --> 00:20:32,040 extension. 121 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,710 I did speak with Patricia yesterday on it. 122 00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:36,820 I appreciate the information that you gave me 123 00:20:36,820 --> 00:20:38,060 and I'm in full support of it. 124 00:20:38,060 --> 00:20:42,190 I just have one question and I do see that the 125 00:20:42,190 --> 00:20:42,910 contract 126 00:20:42,910 --> 00:20:45,340 as it is written is supposed to be expiring 127 00:20:45,340 --> 00:20:47,530 on the 11th of May. 128 00:20:47,530 --> 00:20:50,330 And I believe that council will hear this item 129 00:20:50,330 --> 00:20:51,320 on the 12th of May. 130 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,870 I think if I remember the report correctly, 131 00:20:53,870 --> 00:20:58,530 I just wanted to know how, is there any concern 132 00:20:58,530 --> 00:20:58,840 there 133 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,400 or with this, I guess the committee 134 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:02,300 recommendation here 135 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:04,260 would that be able to just kind of hold that 136 00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:05,210 contract 137 00:21:05,210 --> 00:21:09,910 and to continue until we resolve it at council? 138 00:21:09,910 --> 00:21:14,060 - Okay, just a thank you through you, Mr. Chair. 139 00:21:14,060 --> 00:21:16,220 - Yeah, so that is something that has certainly 140 00:21:16,220 --> 00:21:16,880 been identified 141 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,390 and been discussed with our legal team. 142 00:21:19,390 --> 00:21:22,300 Certainly approval here at committee 143 00:21:22,300 --> 00:21:24,530 pending final counsel approval, 144 00:21:24,530 --> 00:21:26,760 I think would be sufficient to give indication 145 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,350 that the intention is to continue the agreement 146 00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:30,700 and the relationship going forward. 147 00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:32,650 So from our perspective, 148 00:21:32,650 --> 00:21:36,320 it's a slight timing difference, not a concern. 149 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:37,150 - Hello, Councilor. 150 00:21:37,150 --> 00:21:37,990 - Okay, thank you for that. 151 00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:39,740 Other than that, that full support of this, 152 00:21:39,740 --> 00:21:41,460 Fanshawe has been a good partner with the city, 153 00:21:41,460 --> 00:21:43,730 especially with respect to what they've done for 154 00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:44,160 downtown. 155 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,870 I do see in the note on the addition here 156 00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:49,580 that the campus continues to bring in 1,000 157 00:21:49,580 --> 00:21:50,820 students 158 00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:52,890 to the downtown daily, which is great. 159 00:21:52,890 --> 00:21:54,240 There's no financial impact here, 160 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,360 so I'm in full support of this, 161 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:57,390 and thank you for the work that you do. 162 00:21:57,390 --> 00:22:01,380 And yeah, those are my comments, thank you. 163 00:22:01,380 --> 00:22:02,190 - Okay, thank you. 164 00:22:02,190 --> 00:22:05,070 Looking for other comments, questions? 165 00:22:05,070 --> 00:22:07,030 Okay, not seeing any, so we will open the vote on 166 00:22:07,030 --> 00:22:23,000 that. 167 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,080 - Master Palosa votes yes, 168 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:30,210 to see you scribe online's a bit slow, close and 169 00:22:30,210 --> 00:22:34,370 vote. 170 00:22:34,370 --> 00:22:35,950 - Okay, thank you. 171 00:22:35,950 --> 00:22:39,310 We have no scheduled items, items for direction. 172 00:22:39,310 --> 00:22:43,360 We do have a 4.1, which is Councillor Hopkins 173 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:46,090 and for your AMO request. 174 00:22:46,090 --> 00:22:49,840 So I'll look to you for that one. 175 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,530 Well, put it on the floor. 176 00:22:51,530 --> 00:22:53,110 Councillor Ramer, we're gonna be willing to move 177 00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:54,490 it. 178 00:22:54,490 --> 00:22:55,370 Okay, I'll second. 179 00:22:55,370 --> 00:22:57,980 Okay, go ahead, Councillor Hopkins. 180 00:22:57,980 --> 00:23:00,930 - Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair, for recognizing me. 181 00:23:00,930 --> 00:23:03,770 I'm again, not a member of this committee. 182 00:23:03,770 --> 00:23:08,020 I am hoping the committee will support my 183 00:23:08,020 --> 00:23:08,740 nomination 184 00:23:09,010 --> 00:23:13,700 to apply for the AMO board in August. 185 00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:16,670 We have elections at the AMO conference. 186 00:23:16,670 --> 00:23:26,150 I am hoping that most members that are applying 187 00:23:26,150 --> 00:23:27,300 for elections 188 00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:30,770 in August and with the municipal election as well 189 00:23:30,770 --> 00:23:30,870 . 190 00:23:30,810 --> 00:23:32,480 If you are running, we usually try 191 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,150 to keep members' names on the board. 192 00:23:35,150 --> 00:23:38,540 If members are not reelected in the municipal 193 00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:39,180 election, 194 00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:42,840 then applications are sought to fill in the 195 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,480 vacancies 196 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,600 of the caucuses. 197 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,220 So I am hoping that you can support my nomination 198 00:23:50,220 --> 00:23:50,580 . 199 00:23:50,580 --> 00:23:54,090 I do have to run an election at the conference 200 00:23:54,090 --> 00:23:57,270 and looking for your support. 201 00:23:57,270 --> 00:23:58,240 - Okay, thank you. 202 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,130 Looking for any comments, questions? 203 00:24:01,130 --> 00:24:02,560 Ain't not seeing any of them that we're voting. 204 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,310 - All right, Mr. Chair, online. 205 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:05,540 - Oh, sorry, go ahead. 206 00:24:05,540 --> 00:24:06,530 - That's okay. 207 00:24:06,530 --> 00:24:08,040 Just thank you for Councillor Hopkins 208 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,080 for her past service and willing to continue the 209 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:10,460 service 210 00:24:10,460 --> 00:24:13,200 and advocacy on behalf of London across Ontario. 211 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,930 So just thank you for her. 212 00:24:15,930 --> 00:24:16,850 - Okay, thank you for that. 213 00:24:16,850 --> 00:24:19,310 And not seeing any others, we'll open the vote on 214 00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:26,060 that. 215 00:24:26,060 --> 00:24:36,560 - Councillor Palazzo votes yes. 216 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,610 - Opposed in the vote, motion carries, three to 217 00:24:38,610 --> 00:24:40,560 zero. 218 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:41,540 - Okay, thank you. 219 00:24:41,540 --> 00:24:43,000 In terms of deferred matters, 220 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,630 we have the item that was pulled, which is 2.6. 221 00:24:47,630 --> 00:24:49,700 Can you put that on the floor looking for a 222 00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:50,090 motion 223 00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:52,310 to move that? 224 00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:53,450 - I'll move it, Mr. Chair. 225 00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:56,730 - Okay, I will second it so that that is now on 226 00:24:56,730 --> 00:24:57,370 the floor 227 00:24:57,370 --> 00:25:00,340 looking for comments or questions on this item. 228 00:25:00,340 --> 00:25:02,130 and this is just for a reminder, 2.6 229 00:25:02,130 --> 00:25:03,860 is the findings and next steps 230 00:25:03,860 --> 00:25:08,390 for the provincial e-scooter pilot. 231 00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:16,360 Okay, go ahead, Councillor McMillan. 232 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:17,570 - Thank you, Chair. 233 00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:20,690 Perhaps I could start with staff. 234 00:25:20,690 --> 00:25:26,060 I just want to confirm the electric kick scooter 235 00:25:26,060 --> 00:25:29,280 that's being referred to is a scooter 236 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,100 that you stand on with two wheels, 237 00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:37,010 like just what we grew up with as kids, 238 00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:39,070 except without a motor. 239 00:25:39,070 --> 00:25:39,960 Now it's got a motor. 240 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,470 Is that basically encapsulating it? 241 00:25:43,470 --> 00:25:45,800 - Go ahead, Ms. James. 242 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,430 - Thank you, and through the chair, yes, 243 00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:50,890 that is a scooter that you stand up on. 244 00:25:50,890 --> 00:25:52,500 There's figure one of the report 245 00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:55,720 basically shows you a typical example, 246 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,790 and that's one where there's a deck 247 00:25:57,790 --> 00:26:00,860 where the rider stands on it. 248 00:26:00,860 --> 00:26:02,680 - Follow up, Councillor? 249 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:03,450 - Thank you. 250 00:26:03,450 --> 00:26:08,070 Well, it strikes me and it strikes a lot of 251 00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:08,520 Londoners 252 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,320 because I've heard from a number of my 253 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,740 constituents 254 00:26:11,740 --> 00:26:16,650 that these motorized vehicles, such as they are, 255 00:26:16,650 --> 00:26:18,820 are inherently unsafe. 256 00:26:20,330 --> 00:26:24,130 The number of different stories that I've been 257 00:26:24,130 --> 00:26:26,290 informed with, different situations and 258 00:26:26,290 --> 00:26:31,210 instances where people with near misses, they're 259 00:26:31,210 --> 00:26:32,900 very quiet. 260 00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,300 It's almost like a wild west out there in terms 261 00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:37,680 of people not knowing where they're 262 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,200 supposed to be riding these things. 263 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,190 Sometimes you'll see them on the sidewalk, 264 00:26:42,190 --> 00:26:44,420 sometimes they'll just pop up on the road. 265 00:26:44,420 --> 00:26:47,160 The other day I was driving along a busy street 266 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,820 and one came flying out between a row of park 267 00:26:49,820 --> 00:26:53,560 cars out of nowhere, inches from being hit from 268 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,550 my vehicle. Not to mention other instances 269 00:26:58,550 --> 00:27:00,590 I've heard of from constituents where they're 270 00:27:00,590 --> 00:27:02,580 even putting their garbage out early in the 271 00:27:02,580 --> 00:27:07,210 morning. Only to have one of these fly by. One 272 00:27:07,210 --> 00:27:10,220 lady told me, she was putting her blue 273 00:27:10,220 --> 00:27:14,050 box out and a mother came by with two kids on one 274 00:27:14,050 --> 00:27:17,840 of these e-scooters and almost collided 275 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,540 with her, just as she had her head down putting 276 00:27:20,540 --> 00:27:22,490 the garbage out, not expecting a motorized 277 00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:25,890 vehicle to blow by at court at a seven in the 278 00:27:25,890 --> 00:27:32,040 morning on a sidewalk. So again, this so-called 279 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,590 pilot, we're looking at going to the end of 2029. 280 00:27:36,590 --> 00:27:40,430 That's a long time to do the province's bidding. 281 00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:44,710 I will not support this. Again, it's inherently 282 00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:48,330 unsafe. I think a board is on the irresponsible 283 00:27:48,330 --> 00:27:51,510 to continue with this. I think we're going to be 284 00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:54,250 seeing really serious accidents as 285 00:27:54,250 --> 00:27:58,570 this may be the uptick goes a little bit higher. 286 00:27:58,570 --> 00:28:02,990 So yeah, I will be voting this against this. 287 00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:06,430 Thank you chair. Okay, thank you. I'm going to 288 00:28:06,430 --> 00:28:09,020 take the opportunity to speak now as chair and 289 00:28:09,020 --> 00:28:11,610 member of the committee. First off, I want to 290 00:28:11,610 --> 00:28:14,040 thank staff for doing engagement at my town hall 291 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,820 about this. It was a great opportunity to get 292 00:28:16,820 --> 00:28:20,070 feedback from residents. And I think you see that 293 00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:23,720 and the results in terms of the mixed reaction, I 294 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:23,820 think, 295 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,860 but I will say from the conversations I've had, 296 00:28:26,860 --> 00:28:29,390 I think there is more of a desire in terms of 297 00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:30,290 ensuring, 298 00:28:30,290 --> 00:28:32,680 you know, Councillor and Mayor Mergen said, 299 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,190 you know, public safety. 300 00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:37,730 I think, obviously, ensuring compliance, 301 00:28:37,730 --> 00:28:39,840 which I know is called out in this report, 302 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,240 and I do have a question for that in a moment, 303 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,760 but I just kind of want to start with my comments 304 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,940 . 305 00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:48,270 I think this is still a core form of mobility for 306 00:28:48,270 --> 00:28:48,740 folks. 307 00:28:49,810 --> 00:28:52,320 time's change. You know, it's not a kick scooter 308 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,140 anymore. It's electric. We also have to recognize 309 00:28:55,140 --> 00:28:58,130 that people use different forms of transit to get 310 00:28:58,130 --> 00:29:00,410 around the city. And this is definitely one, 311 00:29:00,410 --> 00:29:03,130 a lot of cities have different pilots with this. 312 00:29:03,130 --> 00:29:05,600 I've witnessed it in a number of cities in terms 313 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,470 of the e-scooters and what they're doing with 314 00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:11,590 them. I think for our own benefit, we do still 315 00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:11,990 have to 316 00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:15,370 keep this pilot going, see what the province 317 00:29:15,370 --> 00:29:17,970 ultimately wants to do with it. I think this is 318 00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:20,610 important data though to collect to see what we 319 00:29:20,610 --> 00:29:21,610 want to do, how we want to 320 00:29:21,610 --> 00:29:25,000 regulate it. And with that point on regulation, I 321 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,440 do have a question for staff 322 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,650 in terms of the recommendations. I appreciate 323 00:29:28,650 --> 00:29:29,950 there's the two additional 324 00:29:29,950 --> 00:29:32,890 recommendations in there. But from bylaws 325 00:29:32,890 --> 00:29:35,380 perspective in terms of being able to 326 00:29:35,380 --> 00:29:38,260 follow up with parents issue the amps and then 327 00:29:38,260 --> 00:29:40,730 also coordinating with LPS. If you 328 00:29:40,730 --> 00:29:42,680 just maybe comment a bit further in terms of how 329 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:48,730 that will roll out. Thanks for 330 00:29:48,730 --> 00:29:51,250 the question chair and in terms of communicating 331 00:29:51,250 --> 00:29:52,470 with LPS I can say that we 332 00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:54,730 We have a very close working relationship with 333 00:29:54,730 --> 00:29:56,280 the road safety section of the London 334 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,680 Police Service. 335 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,180 They would be the officers who would be 336 00:29:59,180 --> 00:30:01,050 responsible for going out and enforcing the 337 00:30:01,050 --> 00:30:01,650 Highway Traffic 338 00:30:01,650 --> 00:30:06,620 Act provisions of electric kick scooters. 339 00:30:06,620 --> 00:30:08,840 We have had several meetings in the past 340 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,350 determining what the best path forward is in 341 00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:11,740 terms of 342 00:30:11,740 --> 00:30:14,320 education and joint enforcement. 343 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,700 Our resources on both teams are limited and so we 344 00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:20,200 feel that we may have the best impact 345 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,550 if we go out at separate times, trying to conduct 346 00:30:23,550 --> 00:30:24,900 education within the spaces in which 347 00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:28,760 these e-scooters are most readily used. The 348 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,770 difficulty, of course, that we have with 349 00:30:30,770 --> 00:30:31,920 compliance 350 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,640 and municipal law enforcement officers conducting 351 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,540 compliance-related activities is that we don't 352 00:30:37,540 --> 00:30:39,550 have the authority to actually demand 353 00:30:39,550 --> 00:30:42,300 identification from individuals operating these 354 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:43,040 vehicles. 355 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,130 And so that's where we rely on the public to 356 00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:47,140 provide us with the information that we 357 00:30:47,140 --> 00:30:49,570 need to be able to investigate further because we 358 00:30:49,570 --> 00:30:51,480 can knock on doors, we can have conversations 359 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,230 with folks, and we can certainly conduct 360 00:30:53,230 --> 00:30:56,050 enforcement if we have that information available 361 00:30:56,050 --> 00:30:57,540 . 362 00:30:57,540 --> 00:31:00,230 Thank you and appreciate those answers. And I 363 00:31:00,230 --> 00:31:02,630 recognize the struggles. I mean, in my last 364 00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:04,690 town hall, I was speaking with LPS in terms of we 365 00:31:04,690 --> 00:31:06,740 have other types of vehicles get modified, 366 00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:10,180 whether that's cars, dirt bikes. It doesn't 367 00:31:10,180 --> 00:31:13,200 really matter what form people will always 368 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,200 find a way to modify these things, unfortunately. 369 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,630 So, appreciate the report. I think we have 370 00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:21,740 have to be diligent in terms of, you know, 371 00:31:21,740 --> 00:31:24,330 clamping down on bad behavior and sharing 372 00:31:24,330 --> 00:31:27,070 that people are utilizing this in a safe way. 373 00:31:27,070 --> 00:31:28,420 There are always going to be bad actors, 374 00:31:28,420 --> 00:31:30,570 unfortunately, with these sorts of things, 375 00:31:30,570 --> 00:31:34,230 but I don't want to strip away a way for people 376 00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:35,620 to get around the city, which I know, 377 00:31:35,620 --> 00:31:39,040 especially in my ward, a lot of different people 378 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,380 get around, don't necessarily have, 379 00:31:41,380 --> 00:31:43,120 not everyone has access to a car, 380 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,620 so this is another way for people to get around 381 00:31:44,620 --> 00:31:44,980 the city, 382 00:31:44,980 --> 00:31:46,770 and I don't want to take that away from them at 383 00:31:46,770 --> 00:31:48,200 this time. 384 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,630 recognizing there are still issues, 385 00:31:49,630 --> 00:31:50,850 but we are trying to address them. 386 00:31:50,850 --> 00:31:52,590 So again, thank you for that. 387 00:31:52,590 --> 00:31:54,370 And I will look to Councillor Paluzza. 388 00:31:54,370 --> 00:31:56,410 You have your hand up, go ahead. 389 00:31:56,410 --> 00:31:57,410 - Thank you, Mr. Chair. 390 00:31:57,410 --> 00:31:58,960 And thank you to staff on this one. 391 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,510 I know it's been a conversation at council for 392 00:32:01,510 --> 00:32:02,380 some time. 393 00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:05,480 And I think in the community, I'm not surprised 394 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,020 to see the accounts for JALMA and Bradley area 395 00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:11,550 between the population, it being some younger 396 00:32:11,550 --> 00:32:12,050 families 397 00:32:12,050 --> 00:32:15,310 and a great trail network. 398 00:32:15,310 --> 00:32:16,430 I know those are there and hearing 399 00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:20,430 community concerns interested in the helmet piece 400 00:32:20,430 --> 00:32:21,780 and that people under 16 401 00:32:21,780 --> 00:32:23,660 aren't supposed to be on them through you to 402 00:32:23,660 --> 00:32:25,830 staff having looked at section 3.2 403 00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:29,160 within staff's report. What kind of advocacy can 404 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,590 we or have we done with 405 00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:32,560 the two different school boards realizing some of 406 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,070 the parents get the 407 00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:37,040 scooters or kids' friends get them and they don't 408 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,220 know that they're actually 409 00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:40,670 unsafe. They need a helmet and they're actually 410 00:32:40,670 --> 00:32:42,240 too young to be 411 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,170 operating them. So have we done any engagement 412 00:32:44,170 --> 00:32:45,070 with those school boards 413 00:32:45,070 --> 00:32:48,240 directly with those parents and the families. 414 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,370 - I should staff would like to comment on that, 415 00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:50,740 go ahead. 416 00:32:50,740 --> 00:32:52,440 - Thank you and through the chair. 417 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,930 Yes, we have engaged with the four school boards 418 00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:58,960 about e-scooters and depending on the principals' 419 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,830 notifications have been sent out to students. 420 00:33:00,830 --> 00:33:03,260 I know at my own children's school that we did 421 00:33:03,260 --> 00:33:03,690 receive 422 00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:05,320 frequent notifications that, you know, 423 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,590 kids under 16 are not supposed to be riding them. 424 00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:09,300 They're not allowed on the school property. 425 00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:11,840 And we would hope that the other school 426 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:12,320 principals 427 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,320 are receiving and sending out similar messages as 428 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,180 well. 429 00:33:16,180 --> 00:33:17,520 - Follow up, Councillor. 430 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:18,360 - Thank you. 431 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:19,990 I appreciate that as elected officials 432 00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:21,600 and we do our own engagement with different 433 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:21,900 schools. 434 00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:23,650 I know sometimes you can have advocacy 435 00:33:23,650 --> 00:33:24,770 with them in partnerships 436 00:33:24,770 --> 00:33:27,230 and sometimes you're just kind of shut out. 437 00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:30,060 Also in addition to 3.2 realizing 438 00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:32,600 how we also had the bylaw with graffiti, 439 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,190 looking for staff's comment on the opportunity 440 00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:39,070 to have things posted within the stores, 441 00:33:39,070 --> 00:33:40,720 the physical stores in London 442 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,190 who are selling e-scooters to post the bylaw, 443 00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:45,220 make people aware. 444 00:33:45,220 --> 00:33:47,420 If we have capacity or who would need more 445 00:33:47,420 --> 00:33:47,860 capacity, 446 00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:49,480 even if it's just once a year making sure 447 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,810 that something's posted, 448 00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:52,650 especially near the holidays or the springtime 449 00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:56,680 when they come back into an upswing of sales. 450 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,010 - And go ahead, staff, you wanna come on that. 451 00:33:59,010 --> 00:34:00,560 - Thank you and through the chair. 452 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,870 We certainly considered this option 453 00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:05,250 when we're looking at trying to educate 454 00:34:05,250 --> 00:34:06,680 and get out to the public. 455 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,350 I think the biggest constraint we saw 456 00:34:08,350 --> 00:34:10,010 in trying to pursue that initiative 457 00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:12,440 was simply that there's so much availability 458 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,120 online. 459 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,990 And so the effort for staff resources to go 460 00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:18,230 and pursue the sale of these scooters throughout 461 00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:19,010 the city, 462 00:34:19,010 --> 00:34:20,980 you know the effectiveness is really questionable 463 00:34:20,980 --> 00:34:23,760 we feel when there's so many things going on. 464 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,200 That being said this past holiday season we did 465 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,700 launch a specific campaign basically encouraging 466 00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:31,460 parents not to purchase these scooters as 467 00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:33,710 presents for their children during the holidays 468 00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:34,200 and I think 469 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,640 we can continue to do that each holiday. Go ahead 470 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,080 Councillor for a follow-up. Thank you no I 471 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:41,480 appreciate 472 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,020 that I know I've come into similar issues with 473 00:34:44,020 --> 00:34:46,570 the size of outdoor gazebos and the types of 474 00:34:46,570 --> 00:34:46,960 coverings 475 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,910 they have on the bylaws and in snow loads and 476 00:34:49,910 --> 00:34:51,970 just sometimes people stuff is sold in our local 477 00:34:51,970 --> 00:34:54,240 stores and they're unaware of the bylaws and 478 00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:58,340 things that mandate them. I don't know I think we 479 00:34:58,340 --> 00:35:01,200 still have a place to do for public advocacy and 480 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,810 getting the word out on our channels not saying 481 00:35:03,810 --> 00:35:05,520 we're not doing it just it takes a while 482 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,620 sometimes to get traction that conversation 483 00:35:07,620 --> 00:35:08,090 changed within 484 00:35:08,090 --> 00:35:10,790 the community also realizing it's not just 485 00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:13,670 children who uses these e-scooters and with the 486 00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:14,380 rising price 487 00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:17,160 I'm sure more people will be turning them to a as 488 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,180 the viable mode of transportation. 489 00:35:19,180 --> 00:35:20,870 So thank you for that and I will be supporting 490 00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:23,690 the staff report today. 491 00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:25,880 Yeah, thank you looking for visiting Councillors, 492 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,610 Councillor Hopkins, go ahead. 493 00:35:28,610 --> 00:35:32,380 Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. 494 00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:36,010 And I want to just start off maybe thanking staff 495 00:35:36,010 --> 00:35:39,180 for their engagement in the community. 496 00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:42,280 I attended one of the events and I know there was 497 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,230 a lot of engagements throughout the city 498 00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:46,380 collecting this information. 499 00:35:46,380 --> 00:35:48,600 And I think that's part of the advantage of 500 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,200 having a pilot project is that we're able 501 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,220 to get the data that is needed. 502 00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:59,030 I hear loud and clear, Councillor Van Mirberg and 503 00:35:59,030 --> 00:36:01,510 about the safety issues, I've seen them 504 00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:05,330 myself in the ward that I represent and I've been 505 00:36:05,330 --> 00:36:09,910 , you know, deeply, deeply concerned. 506 00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:13,620 But I think the more we engage with one another, 507 00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:17,350 educate each other, understand what the rules 508 00:36:17,350 --> 00:36:21,590 are. I think many of us would be surprised that 509 00:36:21,590 --> 00:36:24,340 we would even need to wear helmets compared 510 00:36:24,340 --> 00:36:28,730 to the amount of scooter use out there that 511 00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:33,070 people do not wear a helmet. So I think there's 512 00:36:33,070 --> 00:36:36,560 a big education piece there. I agree, Councillor 513 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,520 Palosa, with more work that needs to be done. 514 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,910 I think this creates the conversation in our 515 00:36:42,910 --> 00:36:45,900 community by having this pilot project. I 516 00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:50,470 I do think it's an equity situation as well, 517 00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:52,650 creating more opportunities for people 518 00:36:52,650 --> 00:36:54,560 to move around our city, 519 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,370 opening up the roads for cars to use them, 520 00:36:57,370 --> 00:37:02,240 and then having the opportunity for bikes and sc 521 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:02,510 ooters 522 00:37:02,510 --> 00:37:04,240 to be used by other people. 523 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:07,650 So I think there's the enforcement piece too, 524 00:37:07,650 --> 00:37:11,720 that really helps support the project, 525 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:13,660 supports the enforcement piece, 526 00:37:13,660 --> 00:37:17,040 where we can work collaboratively with the 527 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:17,550 community 528 00:37:17,550 --> 00:37:19,880 and create more of a safety environment in the 529 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,140 city. 530 00:37:20,140 --> 00:37:22,840 So I would encourage the committee to support 531 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,870 the recommendation. 532 00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:25,450 Thank you. 533 00:37:25,450 --> 00:37:26,520 - Okay, thank you. 534 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,460 Go ahead, Councilor Trussell. 535 00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:31,210 - Thank you very much and to the chair, 536 00:37:31,210 --> 00:37:32,500 I'll keep this very brief. 537 00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:36,080 I wanna start by really thanking the 538 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,910 transportation demand 539 00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:42,820 management staff, Ms. Miller and Ms. Mixa. 540 00:37:42,820 --> 00:37:44,710 I watched them work, I went to some of these 541 00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:45,410 events. 542 00:37:45,410 --> 00:37:48,210 And they just were so professional the way 543 00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:50,590 they were able to deal with the public. 544 00:37:50,590 --> 00:37:55,160 And they were real credit to the city. 545 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,350 They had some difficult questions to answer. 546 00:37:58,350 --> 00:38:02,840 And they did it in a very, very unbiased and 547 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:03,910 neutral 548 00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:06,630 and professional way. 549 00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:09,180 So I have a lot of confidence in the statistics 550 00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:13,160 that we have in the staff report. 551 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:19,360 We, I'm going to avoid talking about other modes 552 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,380 of transportation where people feel unsafe 553 00:38:23,380 --> 00:38:25,690 and they come up on the sidewalk or hit 554 00:38:25,690 --> 00:38:26,530 pedestrians 555 00:38:26,530 --> 00:38:29,180 or kill people or do things like that. 556 00:38:29,180 --> 00:38:31,580 I'm just going to avoid that. 557 00:38:31,580 --> 00:38:36,070 So what I'm going to, oh, sorry, Council Member, 558 00:38:36,070 --> 00:38:37,040 if you could just keep it down. 559 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:37,860 Thank you. 560 00:38:37,860 --> 00:38:40,820 - Go ahead, Councilor Trozano. 561 00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:44,670 - So I just want to say I fully support 562 00:38:44,670 --> 00:38:46,390 the staff recommendation, 563 00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:49,820 But this is an equity question. 564 00:38:49,820 --> 00:38:55,140 And this is also a question to sort of recognize 565 00:38:55,140 --> 00:38:59,200 that different people have different 566 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,520 transportation needs 567 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,040 and different budgets and different ways of 568 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,640 getting around. 569 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:11,350 In my word, I see a lot of people using these. 570 00:39:11,350 --> 00:39:16,420 I see them using them responsibly and legally. 571 00:39:16,420 --> 00:39:19,060 And I think that there are a lot of mobility 572 00:39:19,060 --> 00:39:20,100 problems 573 00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:22,750 that people who like to use this mode of 574 00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:24,040 transportation 575 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:29,390 are facing, and we're trying to make the streets 576 00:39:29,390 --> 00:39:29,490 safer. 577 00:39:29,390 --> 00:39:34,020 We're trying to improve transit. 578 00:39:34,020 --> 00:39:38,740 We're trying to expand our bicycle networking, 579 00:39:38,740 --> 00:39:42,980 all ages, all levels of competency. 580 00:39:42,980 --> 00:39:44,320 But I think this is something that's very 581 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:45,390 important, 582 00:39:45,390 --> 00:39:51,190 particularly to youth, and that includes people 583 00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:52,660 over 16. 584 00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:57,800 And I think we're gonna do a lot of work on 585 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:58,620 education 586 00:39:58,620 --> 00:40:01,410 about why it's important to have the helmet. 587 00:40:01,410 --> 00:40:05,170 We need to be doing that with cycles. 588 00:40:05,170 --> 00:40:07,570 We need to be doing that with a variety of 589 00:40:07,570 --> 00:40:08,240 different things. 590 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:11,460 So this is a very balanced and well-thought-out 591 00:40:11,460 --> 00:40:13,100 staff report and I'm very pleased to be 592 00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:13,760 supporting it. 593 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,500 So thank you very much. 594 00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:17,620 - Okay, thank you, Councillor, 595 00:40:17,620 --> 00:40:20,520 looking for any other speakers. 596 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,520 Okay, I'm not seeing any rule open the vote on 597 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,550 this. 598 00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:28,100 - Mr. Chair, could you call A separately? 599 00:40:28,100 --> 00:41:13,340 Yes, we can do that. Okay, we're doing A right 600 00:41:13,340 --> 00:41:20,470 now. We're all open for voting. 601 00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:24,780 Motion carries, 3 to 0. 602 00:41:24,780 --> 00:41:45,630 Okay, and we'll do the rest of them together.