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 Good afternoon, everyone, just after one, so I'd

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 like to get the sixth meeting of the

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 Planning Environment Committee underway.

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 Please check the City website for additional

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 meeting detail information.

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 The City of London is situated on the traditional

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 lands of the Anishnabek Odenoshanhei, Lenapei

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 Wauk, and Adewanaran.

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 We honor and respect the history, languages, and

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 culture of the diverse, indigenous people

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 who call this territory home.

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 The City of London is currently home to many

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 First Nations, Métis, and Inuit today, as

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 representatives of the people of the City of

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 London, we are grateful to have the opportunity

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 to work and live in this territory. The City of

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 London is committed to making every effort

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 to provide alternative formats and communication

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 supports from meetings upon request to make

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 a request specific to this meeting. Please

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 contact pack@london.ca or 519-661-249 extension

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 two for two five. We are missing two members of

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 our committee, Deputy Mayor Lewis and

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 Councillor Hillier, due to personal matters. We

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 have the Mayor joining us and we have Councillor

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 Stevenson joining us online. At this point, I'd

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 like to look for any disclosures of

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 pecuniary interest. Seeing none, we'll move on to

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 consent items. I've had a request to pull 2.3,

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 And as practice, we will move that to the end of

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 our meeting down to deferred matters.

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 So I'll look for committee members to look for a

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 motion here.

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 Councillor Cutty. I'll move that here. So you're

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 going to move 2.1, 2.2, 2.4, and 2.5.

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 Thank you. I'll look for a seconder. Mayor

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 seconds. Any comments or questions from

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 committee members who are visiting Councillors on

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 this? Councillor Hopkins.

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 - Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair, for recognizing me.

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 I'm not part of this committee,

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 but I do have a question regarding 2.5,

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 which is the Pack Road sewer extension,

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 read the recommendation.

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 I wonder if I can go through you to staff.

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 I know there's other opportunities,

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 and I'd just like to go to staff

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 to explore those opportunities for the developer.

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 - Okay, I'll go to staff on that question.

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 - Yes, thank you, through the chair.

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 We have been working with the proponent

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 this development and the densities that were

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 currently shown do have capacity in existing sew

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 however they have expressed an interest in

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 additional density in which case we have

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 identified an

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 opportunity to install a sewer on Bostock Road as

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 part of our strategic links program and that

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 go with an upcoming transportation project so

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 that would be coordinated and use existing funds

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 rather than having to add it through the DC and

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 the GMIS. Oh sir. Yeah thank you for that

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 information and just as a follow-up would that

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 to council or what does that process look like

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 the transportation plan.

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 approvals and any funding requests subject to of

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 limits on contract awards etc. Councillor for

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 other comments or

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 second and we'll call the vote.

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 - Is there Stevenson closing the vote?

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 - Might just be slow.

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 - Yeah, we got you, sorry.

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 - Onward to scheduled items, 3.1.

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 This is a delegation from Mr. Metralier, the

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 of our community advisory committee on planning.

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 Please, sir, go ahead and you have five minutes.

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 So let's get it fixed up.

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 Let's see if that works better.

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 - Thanks, is that better?

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 - Yeah, sounds like it.

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 - Okay, my name is John Marc Metray.

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 Thank you as always for your indulgence.

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 of the report that's before you.

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 This is regarding privately initiated

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 to expand the urban growth boundary.

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 Committee was consulted on this item

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 and had a discussion and some thoughts.

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 as you know we are we are traditionally known as

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 the the city's heritage advisory committee

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 that's what you'd hear from us mostly on but

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 buried in our terms of reference are also more

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 general planning matters and also agriculture and

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 so while there are some I would say diverse views

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 we did have an interest in in the subject itself

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 And so the comment you'll see at 3.7, it's not so

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 much a feedback on the substance,

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 it's really just an offer, which is that the

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 committee felt that we wanted to offer ourselves

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 initiated urban growth boundary expansions.

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 Should it be useful to PEC and Council to hear

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 from us on those applications,

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 we're happy to receive them much in the same way

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 heritage matters and provide our feedback. So

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 with that we are we are certainly happy to

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 whether they would like our feedback on those

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 report. Thanks so much. Yeah, thank you. Thanks

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 right. We looked at that committee in law for

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 heritage but there is other functions there. The

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 urban growth boundary was passed by council

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 the end of that time where they're taking

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 be of help.

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 - Mr. Cuddy, I'll look for a seconder on that.

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 I'll second that.

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 So if there's a look for any comments or

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 I'll look for a motion to go into public

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 participation meeting.

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 Councilor Cuddy, seconded by, I'll second it.

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 the applicant would like to address the committee

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 - Good afternoon, my name is Heather Garrett.

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 I'm with Salinka Pramo Limited.

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 Association.

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 I first wanna thank Heritage staff

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 We've read their staff report and we agree with

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 So I'm here if you have any questions, thank you.

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 - My name's Annemarie Valastro.

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 I have a question that I'd like to have answered.

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 new builds to include bird-friendly windows and

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 native plant plantings with a new development.

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 seconded by I'll second it. We'll call the

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 motion to vote. Councilor Stevenson, you're

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 discussing the vote motion carries 4 to 0.

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 bird friendly windows, I'm going to go first

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 to staff to see if they can comment on the

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 - Through you, Mr. Chair.

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 that is currently in use and the other,

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 the second one is a house.

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 The house is in poor repair.

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 are they going to redevelop the entire site?

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 needs to go through planning approval.

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 - I'll look for committee members.

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 - Before you do that, I'll move the staff

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 - Thank you.

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 I'll look for a seconder.

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 The mayor seconds.

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 I'll look for any comments or questions on this.

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 - Mr. Stevenson.

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 - Okay, moving on to 3.3.

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 I'll look for motion to help public participation

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 Councilor Cuddy, seconded by the mayor.

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 I'll call that vote.

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 - Mr. Stevenson.

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 - I vote yes.

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 - Closing about the motion carries 4-0.

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 - Thank you, I'll look to the applicant.

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 The applicant would like to address committee.

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 - Through the chair, I'm Adam McGrew.

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 I'm here from Monteith Brown Planning Consultants

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 the Cross Cultural Learner Center.

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 We've reviewed the staff report and the staff by-

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 and would like to thank staff for their time

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 on this application.

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 We're in support of staff's recommendation

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 and are available for any questions,

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 the public council or staff may have, thanks.

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 - Thank you.

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 Now look for members of the public

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 that would like to address.

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 This is for last row, please go ahead,

281
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 do you have five minutes?

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 - My name is Annamarie in the last row.

283
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:39,320
 I do have a question for you.

284
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 My understanding is that it's up to the applicant

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 to install bird-friendly windows

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 and make sure their plantings are native,

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 regionally native to southern Ontario.

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 My understanding is the province

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 doesn't allow the city to mandate

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 that it has to come from the applicant.

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 And I'd like to know if the applicant

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 is willing to comply with that section

293
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 of the control site, control site by-law,

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 which is asking new bills to put in bird-friendly

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 windows

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 and native plants.

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 Do you know if your applicant is open to that?

298
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 - I'll look for other comments or questions

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 in the gallery.

300
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 Seeing done for motion to close PPM.

301
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 - Councilor Cuddy, seconder, mayor, second.

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 - Mr. Stevenson.

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 - I vote yes.

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 - Closing the vote, the motion carries four to

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 zero.

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 - Before I go to the applicant, I'm just going to

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 ask staff,

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 this is a two-story building.

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 It's not a rebuild, it's just reconfering the

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 interiors.

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 Are there any guidelines for bird-friendly

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 windows

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 on that type of project?

314
00:39:15,330 --> 00:39:16,520
 - Through the chair, that's correct,

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 that they are just using the existing building,

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 and there's no guidelines for existing buildings.

317
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 - Okay, thank you.

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 - I will go to the applicant, if you'd like to

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 comment,

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 do you have any plans for Berkeley,

321
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 Windows retroactively?

322
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,000
 - Through the chair, I just was gonna also

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 reiterate

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 that it's not a new build.

325
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 We're keeping the existing dwelling,

326
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 the existing gardens, and they're very nice

327
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 gardens.

328
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 - That's all I got.

329
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 - Thank you.

330
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,780
 So I'll look, I'll open this for committee

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 members.

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 - Chair, through you, I'll move the staff

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 recommendation.

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00:39:47,410 --> 00:39:50,060
 - Thank you, I'll look for a seconder.

335
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 Mayor seconds, I'd look for any comments or

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 questions on this.

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 Seeing none, we'll call the vote.

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 - Motion carries far to zero.

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 - Thank you.

340
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,270
 The next item is 3.4 and this is regarding 63

341
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 Greenfield

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 drive.

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 I'll look for a motion to open the public special

344
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 meeting.

345
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 Councilor Cuddy, seconded by, I'll second it.

346
00:40:28,180 --> 00:40:39,840
 We'll call the vote.

347
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 - Seeing the vote, the motion carries far to zero

348
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.

349
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 - Thank you.

350
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 I'll look for the applicant.

351
00:40:43,860 --> 00:40:45,850
 Please, sir, give us your name and you have five

352
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 minutes.

353
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,210
 - Good afternoon, Chair and members of committee.

354
00:40:48,210 --> 00:40:49,230
 My name is Dan Murphy.

355
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 I'm a planner with Civic Planning and Design.

356
00:40:51,550 --> 00:40:53,060
 I'm here today representing the applicant

357
00:40:53,060 --> 00:40:56,030
 magnificent homes for their project at 63 Green

358
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field Drive.

359
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 This application proposes two three-story cluster

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 townhouse

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 blocks containing a total of nine units,

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 which represents a modest and appropriate form

363
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 of residential intensification on a neighborhood

364
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 street.

365
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 As part of this project, we undertook

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 our own community engagement program

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 to involve nearby residents early in the process.

368
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 Postcards were distributed to neighboring

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 properties,

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 inviting residents to a virtual community

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 information session

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 where we presented the proposal

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 and have received feedback directly from the

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 neighborhood.

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 This proposal conforms to the neighborhood's

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 place type

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 and which contemplates the scale

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 of residential intensification

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 and permits townhouse forms on a neighborhood

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 street.

381
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 This project is consistent with the PPS,

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00:41:39,810 --> 00:41:42,970
 which supports compact transit supportive growth

383
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 and the efficient use of existing infrastructure.

384
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:48,040
 This project delivers both as it's situated

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 within the primary transit area

386
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 and is located less than a five-minute walk

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 to existing LTC service and planned BRT.

388
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 like to thank Planning and Development staff

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 for their work on this project.

390
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 And we are in full support of the staff

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 recommendation today.

392
00:42:01,820 --> 00:42:03,840
 Thank you.

393
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:04,660
 - Thank you.

394
00:42:04,660 --> 00:42:05,480
 I'll look for members of the public

395
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 that would like to address committee on this item

396
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.

397
00:42:09,580 --> 00:42:11,820
 Please sir, give us your name in five minutes.

398
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 - My name is Brian Kuto.

399
00:42:13,620 --> 00:42:18,400
 I'm the owner of the property next door.

400
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:25,380
 I feel that this development does not work

401
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 with the current layout of the neighborhood.

402
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,570
 there's no current townhouses, no current,

403
00:42:31,570 --> 00:42:36,380
 like anything around the areas is a major change.

404
00:42:36,380 --> 00:42:40,680
 Also, I am concerned about the two dozen mature

405
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 trees

406
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 that are right on the property line,

407
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,950
 about the damage that would be caused to them,

408
00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:48,370
 possible death of the trees.

409
00:42:48,370 --> 00:42:51,340
 And I would like to know what, if it does go

410
00:42:51,340 --> 00:42:51,950
 through,

411
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:56,380
 what kind of, what needs to be done in like,

412
00:42:56,380 --> 00:42:57,750
 as far as I know in London,

413
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 we take mature trees very seriously

414
00:43:01,310 --> 00:43:06,350
 and upending and destroying so many trees.

415
00:43:06,350 --> 00:43:11,520
 Also, the effect on our privacy

416
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,780
 is quite, quite significant considering

417
00:43:14,780 --> 00:43:19,620
 these are planned to be three stories high.

418
00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:24,090
 I don't see how you could build a proper privacy

419
00:43:24,090 --> 00:43:24,440
 fence

420
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:29,290
 going like looking right into our backyard.

421
00:43:29,290 --> 00:43:32,550
 So I just kind of want some answers on this

422
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:34,430
 development.

423
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:39,470
 - Thank you.

424
00:43:39,470 --> 00:43:41,310
 Yeah, I'll bring your questions forward

425
00:43:41,310 --> 00:43:43,110
 after you finish hearing from everyone.

426
00:43:43,110 --> 00:43:45,430
 - All right.

427
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:51,930
 - I'll look for the next speaker.

428
00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:53,970
 Please sir, give us your name, you have five

429
00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:54,730
 minutes.

430
00:43:54,730 --> 00:43:57,170
 - My name is Richard Lago.

431
00:43:57,170 --> 00:44:02,430
 And one of my concerns is number one garbage

432
00:44:02,430 --> 00:44:04,040
 pickup,

433
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,130
 parking on the street, the location of this

434
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:09,690
 development,

435
00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:15,780
 read opposites, two driveways, snow removal.

436
00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:19,080
 And again, the concern of the trees,

437
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,000
 there's a tree line and the amount of trees

438
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,300
 the property that are going to have to come down

439
00:44:23,300 --> 00:44:30,520
 to put this up. Also, too, on the street things

440
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:37,620
 to the privacy. I guess that's about it. But the

441
00:44:37,620 --> 00:44:41,440
 main concern is the tree line. But I mean,

442
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,670
 what do they intend to do to replace those trees?

443
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:50,920
 I guess that's all I have to say. Have a good

444
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,850
 afternoon. Okay. Thank you. I'll look for the

445
00:44:53,850 --> 00:44:57,350
 next speaker. Please go ahead. You have five

446
00:44:57,350 --> 00:44:57,650
 minutes.

447
00:44:57,650 --> 00:45:04,280
 My name is Anna. We have a last row trees that

448
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:04,430
 sit on the boundary between two properties that

449
00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:07,200
 the government under provincial laws.

450
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,410
 They cannot be cut down.

451
00:45:09,410 --> 00:45:11,640
 They cannot be cut down without permission

452
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,790
 from both property owners.

453
00:45:13,790 --> 00:45:16,020
 So I also have a question for the applicant.

454
00:45:16,020 --> 00:45:17,830
 Are they aware that they're not permitted

455
00:45:17,830 --> 00:45:21,490
 to cut down those trees under provincial laws

456
00:45:21,490 --> 00:45:25,490
 until they get the approval by adjacent

457
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:26,410
 homeowners?

458
00:45:26,410 --> 00:45:28,540
 And that's what the homeowners have to understand

459
00:45:28,540 --> 00:45:31,200
 and they need to exert their authority

460
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,420
 because they're not allowed to cut down those

461
00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:33,920
 trees.

462
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,960
 So you need to make sure they are aware of that.

463
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,320
 And I'm asking whether the applicant is aware

464
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,130
 that they're not permitted to cut those trees

465
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:43,370
 down

466
00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:46,160
 without the approval of the neighbors.

467
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,830
 This also has nine unit and 19 parking spaces.

468
00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:52,460
 That seems excessive to me in a neighborhood

469
00:45:52,460 --> 00:45:56,680
 that is a very low impact neighborhood.

470
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,110
 I'm not sure if the applicant has,

471
00:45:59,110 --> 00:46:01,820
 if they're offering that because they think

472
00:46:01,820 --> 00:46:05,230
 It's a better selling feature, but realistically,

473
00:46:05,230 --> 00:46:12,910
 that is a real divide between the rest of

474
00:46:12,910 --> 00:46:15,770
 the neighborhood as far as conformity goes.

475
00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:18,550
 And I just want to clarify that there are no

476
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:21,770
 guidelines anywhere regarding bird-friendly

477
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:25,600
 windows in the heater plant species being put on

478
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:26,890
 a landscape.

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 all consensual. The applicant has to and with

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00:46:30,670 --> 00:46:35,220
 good will move forward with that. If you read,

481
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 if you're familiar with the bylaw, you would know

482
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:40,610
 that there are no guidelines. That is just an

483
00:46:40,610 --> 00:46:44,450
 encouragement. And so I also am asking you

484
00:46:44,450 --> 00:46:48,610
 another question of the applicant, whether they

485
00:46:48,610 --> 00:46:49,010
 intend

486
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:51,440
 to install bird friendly windows and use native

487
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,220
 plants for the plantings around the townhouse.

488
00:46:54,220 --> 00:46:56,100
 So, I have two questions.

489
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:58,270
 One is, do they understand that they cannot cut

490
00:46:58,270 --> 00:47:01,070
 those trees down into provincial jurisdiction

491
00:47:01,070 --> 00:47:03,780
 because they're boundary trees and they don't own

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00:47:03,780 --> 00:47:04,690
 those trees.

493
00:47:04,690 --> 00:47:07,390
 And the second question is, do they intend to

494
00:47:07,390 --> 00:47:09,740
 install bird friendly windows and use

495
00:47:09,740 --> 00:47:11,730
 native plants for their landscaping?

496
00:47:11,730 --> 00:47:13,110
 Thank you.

497
00:47:13,110 --> 00:47:14,050
 >> Thank you.

498
00:47:14,050 --> 00:47:15,910
 I'll look to the next speaker.

499
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:16,890
 >> Yes.

500
00:47:16,890 --> 00:47:17,860
 Richard Lago again.

501
00:47:17,860 --> 00:47:19,990
 If you look at the site plan on what they intend

502
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:23,160
 on doing, where the road is placed, trees

503
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,140
 and questions.

504
00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:25,130
 >> Sorry.

505
00:47:25,130 --> 00:47:26,110
 You've had your time.

506
00:47:26,110 --> 00:47:27,150
 - Sorry.

507
00:47:27,150 --> 00:47:29,490
 I got your point and we'll be asking those

508
00:47:29,490 --> 00:47:29,820
 questions.

509
00:47:29,820 --> 00:47:33,520
 - Yeah, but the point.

510
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:34,620
 - Sir, you've had your time.

511
00:47:34,620 --> 00:47:35,740
 You get one shot.

512
00:47:35,740 --> 00:47:36,930
 I'll look for any other speakers

513
00:47:36,930 --> 00:47:42,120
 that would like to address the committee.

514
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,570
 Seeing none, I'll look for a motion to close the

515
00:47:44,570 --> 00:47:44,960
 PPM.

516
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,810
 Councilor Cuddy, seconded by Mayor.

517
00:47:47,810 --> 00:47:53,750
 We'll call the vote.

518
00:47:53,750 --> 00:48:10,740
 - Mr. Stevenson, closing the vote.

519
00:48:10,740 --> 00:48:13,060
 The motion carries four to zero.

520
00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:14,470
 - Thank you.

521
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:15,280
 So I'll go to the staff.

522
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,520
 There's a couple of items there.

523
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,630
 Mature trees in general.

524
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:23,280
 First general question, before any trees are

525
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,380
 removed,

526
00:48:24,380 --> 00:48:26,740
 assuming that for our by-laws they would have to

527
00:48:26,740 --> 00:48:31,810
 get the okay from the city if they exceed the

528
00:48:31,810 --> 00:48:33,930
 diameter that's in the city by-law can you

529
00:48:33,930 --> 00:48:37,090
 confirm that please. Thank you and true that

530
00:48:37,090 --> 00:48:39,310
 chair that is correct since the application is

531
00:48:39,310 --> 00:48:42,240
 not going through sediment approval the city's

532
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,890
 tree protection by-law and the city's boulevard

533
00:48:44,890 --> 00:48:48,660
 tree by-law are applicable here and are enforced

534
00:48:48,660 --> 00:48:51,720
 so basically any tree over 50 centimeters in

535
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:54,410
 diameter requires a permit to be removed.

536
00:48:55,330 --> 00:48:57,650
 Additionally there are also the boundary trees

537
00:48:57,650 --> 00:49:00,840
 that are regulated under the Ontario Forestry Act

538
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,900
 and written consent is required from co-owners of

539
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:05,990
 the trees so from abutting properties

540
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:08,960
 to remove any boundary trees and if written

541
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,260
 consent is not provided then a tree protection

542
00:49:12,260 --> 00:49:14,680
 zone needs to be established for that tree. Thank

543
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:20,610
 you. One are the do we have any remediation or

544
00:49:22,110 --> 00:49:26,690
 as practices to limit the amount of trees or

545
00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:30,370
 trees are cut down to to build this development.

546
00:49:30,370 --> 00:49:34,600
 Thank you and through the chair typically that

547
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,380
 would be achieved through the site plan process

548
00:49:37,380 --> 00:49:40,860
 where it would be tried to minimize the amount of

549
00:49:40,860 --> 00:49:43,300
 trees that need to be removed and this instance

550
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:45,780
 as this is not going through site plan it's it's

551
00:49:45,780 --> 00:49:48,600
 really urban forestry working together with the

552
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,070
 applicants to ensure that all the rules are

553
00:49:51,070 --> 00:49:53,940
 followed and that as a little amount of trees are

554
00:49:53,940 --> 00:49:54,190
 removed

555
00:49:54,190 --> 00:49:58,160
 possible. Thank you. And although I know that in

556
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,170
 site plan you review garbage pickup and snow

557
00:50:01,170 --> 00:50:05,300
 removal, I might go to the applicant. They like

558
00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:09,670
 to comment on what ideas they have on, you know,

559
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:11,120
 where the garbage is going to be. How's that

560
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,830
 going to be picked up, where snow is going to be

561
00:50:12,830 --> 00:50:13,140
 pushed

562
00:50:13,140 --> 00:50:16,820
 to, et cetera? Through the chair, the garbage

563
00:50:16,820 --> 00:50:19,590
 will be stored internally to the units. Each unit

564
00:50:19,590 --> 00:50:19,750
 has

565
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:22,130
 a garage and it will be brought curbside for

566
00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:25,170
 pickup on a weekly basis. As for snow removal,

567
00:50:25,170 --> 00:50:27,890
 There's an internal turnaround located between

568
00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:30,530
 the two townhouse buildings. That's where snow

569
00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:30,950
 would be stored

570
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:35,220
 Through a private service. Thank you. And while

571
00:50:35,220 --> 00:50:36,860
 you're there, I'm just gonna ask about bird

572
00:50:36,860 --> 00:50:37,440
 friendly windows

573
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,600
 Do you have any plans regarding bird friendly

574
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,270
 windows through the chair? We'll take that back

575
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:43,460
 to the the the developer here

576
00:50:43,460 --> 00:50:46,460
 Thank you. All right, so I'll put this on those

577
00:50:46,460 --> 00:50:47,420
 the questions

578
00:50:47,420 --> 00:50:49,590
 I have unless I miss something which committee

579
00:50:49,590 --> 00:50:52,100
 members can bring forward a look for motion

580
00:50:52,510 --> 00:50:55,290
 Councilor Cuddy a movie staff recommendation.

581
00:50:55,290 --> 00:50:57,790
 Thank you. I look for a seconder the mayor

582
00:50:57,790 --> 00:51:00,240
 seconds, so I'll put that on the floor for

583
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:03,330
 discussion with committee members or

584
00:51:03,330 --> 00:51:09,820
 Is in counselors counselor for thanks chair

585
00:51:09,820 --> 00:51:12,120
 I just wanted to follow up on I guess one of the

586
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,180
 questions about the written consent between co-

587
00:51:14,180 --> 00:51:14,720
owners

588
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:17,550
 between the two properties for the trees if if

589
00:51:17,550 --> 00:51:20,040
 that written consent is not provided by

590
00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:24,860
 an owner of a property, I guess, immediately

591
00:51:24,860 --> 00:51:28,390
 beside this proposed property and that I did see

592
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:28,500
 that

593
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:30,980
 there would have to be a tree protection by-law

594
00:51:30,980 --> 00:51:32,970
 or something along those lines to be

595
00:51:32,970 --> 00:51:37,560
 drafted up. From, I guess, just from the setbacks

596
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,030
 that I see at the building, would you have to see

597
00:51:40,030 --> 00:51:40,130
,

598
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:42,270
 I guess, the development change to be able to

599
00:51:42,270 --> 00:51:45,430
 accommodate those trees being protected there?

600
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:50,300
 Oh, go ahead, staff. Sir, can you repeat that

601
00:51:50,300 --> 00:51:51,980
 last section on my apologies?

602
00:51:51,980 --> 00:51:56,670
 No words if the the co-owners of the trees did

603
00:51:56,670 --> 00:51:59,210
 not provide written consent to remove those trees

604
00:51:59,210 --> 00:52:02,470
 Because the property setbacks or I guess I guess

605
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:03,310
 more narrow

606
00:52:03,310 --> 00:52:07,530
 Would the development have to go back and I guess

607
00:52:07,530 --> 00:52:10,310
 Replan the development to fit the trees that

608
00:52:10,310 --> 00:52:15,590
 would be preserved. Oh, well staff. Thank you and

609
00:52:15,590 --> 00:52:15,960
 true to chair

610
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,100
 That's a good question. It really depends on the

611
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:18,360
 situation

612
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,480
 So it's a bit of a hypothetical situation, but it

613
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,730
 is possible that development would need to be

614
00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:23,360
 redesigned

615
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,610
 Councilor thank you and would you happen to know

616
00:52:26,610 --> 00:52:27,820
 and I don't know if you can answer this if

617
00:52:27,820 --> 00:52:30,970
 Ritten consent has been provided by the co-owners

618
00:52:30,970 --> 00:52:34,670
 of the trees. Oh go south to the chair

619
00:52:34,670 --> 00:52:35,990
 Thank you for the question. I'm not able to

620
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:37,640
 answer that that's ultimately a private matter

621
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,530
 Okay, thank you for that and just one more

622
00:52:40,530 --> 00:52:42,820
 question. I see in comment three

623
00:52:42,820 --> 00:52:46,330
 Part of that comment says the proposed site is a

624
00:52:46,330 --> 00:52:49,470
 newly completed renovated single family home with

625
00:52:49,470 --> 00:52:50,450
 a family of five

626
00:52:50,450 --> 00:52:52,250
 who are being displaced to make way for nine

627
00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:54,620
 units and then it says actually eight units as

628
00:52:54,620 --> 00:52:55,950
 you have displaced the family who

629
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:59,270
 already there. Does that mean that that family of

630
00:52:59,270 --> 00:53:01,150
 five will get one of those

631
00:53:01,150 --> 00:53:06,510
 units? I'll go staff. Thank you and Trudy Chair I

632
00:53:06,510 --> 00:53:07,360
 would like to refer that

633
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:13,870
 question to the applicant. I'm sorry could you

634
00:53:13,870 --> 00:53:16,870
 read that? Thank you and Trudy Chair I

635
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:18,310
 would like to refer that question to the

636
00:53:18,310 --> 00:53:20,160
 applicant. Okay I'll go to the applicant.

637
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,990
 Through the chair I'm not sure the exact

638
00:53:22,990 --> 00:53:24,020
 arrangement that they have with the

639
00:53:24,020 --> 00:53:26,930
 current property owner. It's my understanding

640
00:53:26,930 --> 00:53:28,490
 that there will be through

641
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:31,590
 the tenant act certain steps to take at once

642
00:53:31,590 --> 00:53:33,200
 their lease is complete.

643
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,920
 Councilor okay, thank you for that as not a

644
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:37,720
 voting member

645
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:42,130
 So I can't vote on this, but you know for I guess

646
00:53:42,130 --> 00:53:45,230
 for that point in that comment right there, you

647
00:53:45,230 --> 00:53:47,530
 know a framework or some type of

648
00:53:47,530 --> 00:53:50,830
 Program that would be able to protect

649
00:53:50,830 --> 00:53:53,540
 You know situations like this whether or not if

650
00:53:53,540 --> 00:53:55,840
 this family were to be able to have that new unit

651
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:56,660
 or not would be good

652
00:53:56,660 --> 00:53:58,830
 I know we're gonna be discussing that on an item

653
00:53:58,830 --> 00:53:59,320
 coming up

654
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:02,730
 But those are my comments there. Thank you look

655
00:54:02,730 --> 00:54:06,270
 further comments or questions from three members

656
00:54:06,270 --> 00:54:07,150
 or visiting counselors

657
00:54:07,150 --> 00:54:11,030
 Seeing done we got motion movements seconded. I

658
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:24,990
'll call the vote. I think the vote the motion

659
00:54:24,990 --> 00:54:26,090
 carries 4 to 0

660
00:54:26,090 --> 00:54:29,120
 Thank you moving on this

661
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,010
 3.5 regarding

662
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:34,340
 350 to 356 Windermere Road all of it for a motion

663
00:54:34,340 --> 00:54:37,020
 to open the PPM counselor cutty

664
00:54:37,020 --> 00:54:41,680
 Seconded by a second the motion and we'll call

665
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:52,940
 the vote. I think the vote the motion carries 4

666
00:54:52,940 --> 00:54:53,290
 to 0

667
00:54:54,490 --> 00:54:56,950
 - Thank you, so I'll look for the applicant,

668
00:54:56,950 --> 00:55:01,870
 the applicant would like to address the committee

669
00:55:01,870 --> 00:55:01,970
.

670
00:55:01,870 --> 00:55:03,350
 Please sir, give us your name and you have five

671
00:55:03,350 --> 00:55:04,600
 minutes.

672
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,350
 - Thank you, my name is Kayne McAllister.

673
00:55:06,350 --> 00:55:08,050
 I'm here with my colleague Matt Campbell,

674
00:55:08,050 --> 00:55:09,880
 we're planners with Selenka Primo.

675
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,780
 Here on behalf of distinctive homes

676
00:55:11,780 --> 00:55:15,110
 for the zoning application at 350 to 356,

677
00:55:15,110 --> 00:55:16,990
 Windham-Hert Road.

678
00:55:16,990 --> 00:55:19,410
 This zoning application looks to rezone the lands

679
00:55:19,410 --> 00:55:22,050
 to permit two, three-story back-to-back town

680
00:55:22,050 --> 00:55:22,610
houses,

681
00:55:22,610 --> 00:55:26,460
 containing a total of 24 residential units.

682
00:55:26,460 --> 00:55:29,420
 As part of this application process,

683
00:55:29,420 --> 00:55:32,320
 we held an open house meeting on January 15th

684
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,300
 and have also received some additional comments

685
00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:35,410
 from the public.

686
00:55:35,410 --> 00:55:37,000
 I'm just gonna provide a couple notes

687
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,140
 that sort of goes over some of the concerns

688
00:55:39,140 --> 00:55:43,980
 regarding compatibility, traffic, trees,

689
00:55:43,980 --> 00:55:44,890
 those sorts of nature.

690
00:55:44,890 --> 00:55:48,370
 So a couple of notes I have on that is regarding

691
00:55:48,370 --> 00:55:49,430
 trees

692
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:50,510
 has been brought to my attention.

693
00:55:50,510 --> 00:55:51,940
 There are a few that have been removed.

694
00:55:51,940 --> 00:55:53,680
 There were permits acquired for that

695
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,630
 and I believe Councillor Pribble also has

696
00:55:55,630 --> 00:55:56,540
 recorded that.

697
00:55:56,540 --> 00:55:58,330
 It was brought to my attention that some of the

698
00:55:58,330 --> 00:55:58,630
 trees

699
00:55:58,630 --> 00:56:00,830
 on the sites where in rough condition

700
00:56:00,830 --> 00:56:04,740
 and we're posing safety concerns.

701
00:56:04,740 --> 00:56:07,140
 Also, if you refer to the site plan

702
00:56:07,140 --> 00:56:09,620
 as part of this development we are planning on,

703
00:56:09,620 --> 00:56:13,140
 providing ample landscaping around all of the

704
00:56:13,140 --> 00:56:13,570
 property

705
00:56:13,570 --> 00:56:16,380
 lines and on the site and amenity areas as such

706
00:56:16,380 --> 00:56:20,920
 to provide buffering of the development.

707
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,380
 Regarding parking and traffic as part of this

708
00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:23,870
 development,

709
00:56:23,870 --> 00:56:26,900
 we've proposed surface parking areas

710
00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:29,230
 to the rear of the site behind the townhouses

711
00:56:29,230 --> 00:56:32,490
 to screen the viewing of the parking from Winderm

712
00:56:32,490 --> 00:56:33,100
ere Road.

713
00:56:33,100 --> 00:56:36,020
 And the landscaping as well will help

714
00:56:36,020 --> 00:56:39,190
 to screen it from abutting properties.

715
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:41,850
 As such, we have proposed 26 surface parking

716
00:56:41,850 --> 00:56:42,430
 spaces

717
00:56:42,430 --> 00:56:45,790
 providing parking at a rate slightly over one

718
00:56:45,790 --> 00:56:47,300
 space per unit

719
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:50,000
 and effectively providing doubles.

720
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,670
 That is required in the zoning by-law,

721
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:55,160
 which requires 0.5 spaces per unit.

722
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:59,210
 Regarding compatibility with this development,

723
00:56:59,210 --> 00:57:02,200
 We are proposing a modest form of development

724
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,640
 considering the use is permitted

725
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,060
 as part of a urban corridor's place type,

726
00:57:09,060 --> 00:57:10,840
 which permits a range of residential

727
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,450
 and commercial uses up to 15 stories.

728
00:57:13,450 --> 00:57:16,210
 And we believe it's a development that can fit in

729
00:57:16,210 --> 00:57:18,670
 with the context of the area as this area,

730
00:57:18,670 --> 00:57:21,970
 London has lots of medium density uses

731
00:57:21,970 --> 00:57:24,430
 with townhouses along the Richmond corridor in

732
00:57:24,430 --> 00:57:25,360
 that area.

733
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,950
 With that, I would like to thank staff for the

734
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:29,280
 report

735
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,300
 and recommendation for approval.

736
00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:33,420
 We are in agreement with the recommendation

737
00:57:33,420 --> 00:57:35,400
 to hear to answer any questions you may have.

738
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,090
 Thank you.

739
00:57:37,090 --> 00:57:38,420
 - Thank you, I'll look for other members

740
00:57:38,420 --> 00:57:40,070
 of the public would like to address the committee

741
00:57:40,070 --> 00:57:41,290
.

742
00:57:41,290 --> 00:57:44,200
 Please sir, give us your name, you have five

743
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:44,850
 minutes.

744
00:57:44,850 --> 00:57:48,760
 - I am Keith Morrill, I live at 517 Canterbury

745
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:49,160
 Road.

746
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,790
 I've lived there since 2009 as a retirement home

747
00:57:53,790 --> 00:57:58,340
 and I've been a resident of London since '96.

748
00:57:58,340 --> 00:58:01,130
 There was a high level of engagement

749
00:58:01,130 --> 00:58:05,240
 by the property owners that reside in properties

750
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,610
 on Windermere and Canterbury Road

751
00:58:07,610 --> 00:58:11,870
 and possibly Canterbury, Windermere and West

752
00:58:11,870 --> 00:58:13,110
chester.

753
00:58:13,110 --> 00:58:18,470
 This dozen thoughtful letters were submitted.

754
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:22,660
 There's a Coles notes version recap in the

755
00:58:22,660 --> 00:58:23,720
 package.

756
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,550
 I'd like to also point out,

757
00:58:26,550 --> 00:58:29,140
 this is a student rental area.

758
00:58:29,140 --> 00:58:34,130
 This property will be occupied by students

759
00:58:34,130 --> 00:58:37,170
 predominantly second and third year.

760
00:58:37,170 --> 00:58:40,500
 Where I live, I am surrounded by students.

761
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:45,080
 Three quarters of every student has a car.

762
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:50,290
 These are gonna be three bedroom units times 26.

763
00:58:50,290 --> 00:58:54,470
 And the stated number of parking spaces in my

764
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:55,160
 view

765
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,970
 is woefully inadequate for the number of cars

766
00:58:58,970 --> 00:59:01,610
 that those student tenants are going to bring

767
00:59:01,610 --> 00:59:03,720
 to those apartments.

768
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:08,060
 Additionally, Windermere Road, while not a major

769
00:59:08,060 --> 00:59:09,820
 corridor,

770
00:59:09,820 --> 00:59:14,020
 is between Richmond Street, Western Road, East

771
00:59:14,020 --> 00:59:14,620
 West,

772
00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:20,520
 and is jammed with cars at 3.30 or 4 o'clock

773
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,940
 when the University Hospital and unloads its

774
00:59:24,940 --> 00:59:25,950
 staff

775
00:59:25,950 --> 00:59:29,870
 and should have a fifth lane.

776
00:59:29,870 --> 00:59:32,530
 And there's no place for a fifth lane

777
00:59:32,530 --> 00:59:35,500
 except we're on the north side of Windermere.

778
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:42,260
 And that would, the frontage available

779
00:59:42,260 --> 00:59:46,040
 for this property to basically zero.

780
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,560
 The tenants would come out the front door

781
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,340
 and be on the street.

782
00:59:52,340 --> 00:59:56,740
 There is no bike lane on Windermere Road

783
00:59:56,740 --> 00:59:59,900
 between Western Road and Richmond Street.

784
00:59:59,900 --> 01:00:02,480
 There is no place to put it.

785
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,880
 And by allowing this property to be developed,

786
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,690
 which is entirely too tall for the neighborhood,

787
01:00:10,690 --> 01:00:14,230
 is really going to restrict the city's vision

788
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:18,120
 to put proper bike lanes going east, west,

789
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,650
 on Windermere Road.

790
01:00:20,650 --> 01:00:23,480
 Because the only other part is the south side.

791
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,020
 In the university, there's a real severe grade

792
01:00:27,020 --> 01:00:27,840
 problem.

793
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,710
 And the university is not going to give up any

794
01:00:29,710 --> 01:00:31,070
 land.

795
01:00:31,070 --> 01:00:35,450
 So my comments then concisely are inadequate

796
01:00:35,450 --> 01:00:40,390
 parking on the site based on 26 units considering

797
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:44,830
 the number of cars that second through graduate

798
01:00:44,830 --> 01:00:48,160
 university students bring to them.

799
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,940
 We have a number beside us across from us and

800
01:00:52,940 --> 01:00:59,420
 everybody's got a car and a poorly parked.

801
01:00:59,420 --> 01:01:04,060
 So the numbers of a problem and the closeness to

802
01:01:04,060 --> 01:01:08,000
 the street properly line just doesn't allow

803
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,500
 the city any latitude at all to install a bike

804
01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:14,610
 lane if that is in their vision going

805
01:01:14,610 --> 01:01:17,740
 forward for a fifth lane that is badly needed in

806
01:01:17,740 --> 01:01:20,720
 that section of Windermere.

807
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,310
 Thank you.

808
01:01:23,310 --> 01:01:24,260
 Thank you.

809
01:01:24,260 --> 01:01:33,620
 I'll look for the next speaker.

810
01:01:33,620 --> 01:01:34,590
 Please ma'am, give us your name.

811
01:01:34,590 --> 01:01:36,720
 Yes, my name is Penn Kemp.

812
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,180
 I have lived on Canterbury Road.

813
01:01:39,180 --> 01:01:44,130
 I moved there with my family January 6, 1950.

814
01:01:44,130 --> 01:01:47,490
 I still live in the house I grew up in.

815
01:01:47,490 --> 01:01:50,540
 And it was at that point,

816
01:01:50,540 --> 01:01:52,430
 we still called it the Triangle.

817
01:01:52,430 --> 01:01:57,550
 It was a farm country and north of the city.

818
01:01:57,550 --> 01:02:02,960
 The suburbs that are, it was the first suburb

819
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,170
 in London as far as I know.

820
01:02:05,170 --> 01:02:10,350
 and it has maintained this kind of heritage point

821
01:02:10,350 --> 01:02:10,450
,

822
01:02:10,350 --> 01:02:19,180
 lovely, quiet essence that I'd love to maintain

823
01:02:19,180 --> 01:02:22,990
 in my own older years.

824
01:02:22,990 --> 01:02:27,270
 And there are certain real concerns I have.

825
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:30,820
 One is as my neighbor was talking about with

826
01:02:30,820 --> 01:02:31,640
 traffic,

827
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,620
 but especially ambulance traffic trying to get

828
01:02:34,620 --> 01:02:35,660
 into

829
01:02:35,660 --> 01:02:39,870
 university hospital, really precarious because it

830
01:02:39,870 --> 01:02:41,700
's not just busy at three or four, it's

831
01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:48,970
 busy all the time. And what about garbage pickup,

832
01:02:48,970 --> 01:02:53,120
 storm removal, all snow removal, all

833
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:58,110
 that will impede traffic, which is already at a

834
01:02:58,110 --> 01:03:02,520
 crisis level. And Canterbury, my mum

835
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:06,440
 have it, talked to City Council and had they put

836
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,890
 an end to the end of Canterbury. So it's

837
01:03:08,890 --> 01:03:12,150
 not a closed street. It's it is, excuse me, a

838
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:15,960
 closed street that is a pedestrian way for

839
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,740
 students to come by. And that should be preserved

840
01:03:19,740 --> 01:03:26,580
. I was wondering also about the trees and I'd

841
01:03:26,580 --> 01:03:26,800
 like

842
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:31,670
 to ask the developer about bird-friendly windows

843
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:35,880
 and natural non-invasive

844
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:44,540
 planting. So my big concern would be to respect

845
01:03:44,540 --> 01:03:47,590
 the existing character of

846
01:03:47,590 --> 01:03:52,000
 re-forest London that we live in a city that is

847
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,410
 not just re-forest by name but

848
01:03:55,410 --> 01:03:59,540
 as a reality because as my neighbor said many of

849
01:03:59,540 --> 01:04:02,140
 our Canterbury streets and

850
01:04:02,140 --> 01:04:05,930
 Westchester streets, trees, mature beautiful

851
01:04:05,930 --> 01:04:09,140
 trees, were cut down and

852
01:04:09,140 --> 01:04:13,750
 replaced about six years ago and so we lost a lot

853
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:16,460
 of the arc of the that

854
01:04:16,460 --> 01:04:21,180
 beautiful arc of trees and it will take decades

855
01:04:21,180 --> 01:04:28,840
 to replace. Oh yeah our basement

856
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,710
 was regularly flooded, Medway Creek is right

857
01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:36,370
 there and we know it, climate change is happening

858
01:04:36,370 --> 01:04:36,470
,

859
01:04:36,370 --> 01:04:40,420
 climate change has given way to floods or heating

860
01:04:40,420 --> 01:04:43,430
 or whatever but we all through the 50s

861
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:46,530
 till now I don't think the storm sewers were at

862
01:04:46,530 --> 01:04:50,510
 any way adequate even now. Our basements were

863
01:04:50,510 --> 01:04:51,340
 flooded

864
01:04:51,340 --> 01:04:57,740
 regularly even up till 2024 and I would think

865
01:04:57,740 --> 01:05:02,120
 that would be a real concern for the proposed

866
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:08,110
 townhouses. So basically my point is not to

867
01:05:08,110 --> 01:05:12,180
 change the zoning because that would lead us

868
01:05:12,180 --> 01:05:15,880
 wide open to lots of change in that really

869
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:20,100
 special heritage neighbourhood. Thank you.

870
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:28,070
 Thank you. I'll look for next speaker. Please sir

871
01:05:28,070 --> 01:05:29,680
, give us your name in your five minutes.

872
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:34,270
 Good afternoon. My name is Harkindar Shahal. I am

873
01:05:34,270 --> 01:05:38,650
 living at 360 Windermere Road that is just

874
01:05:38,650 --> 01:05:42,930
 next to this proposed development. And these

875
01:05:42,930 --> 01:05:46,680
 people who spoke just before me have brought out

876
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,080
 so many points and they already covered so many

877
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:54,370
 points. But imagine how scared I am next to this

878
01:05:54,370 --> 01:05:57,430
 high rise coming up. When we bought the property

879
01:05:57,430 --> 01:06:01,100
 in 2006, we bought it because of the corrector

880
01:06:01,100 --> 01:06:08,040
 and the way this whole street is laid out.

881
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,500
 Regarding traffic, as it is right now,

882
01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:15,410
 it's very hard for us to get out of our parking

883
01:06:15,410 --> 01:06:19,040
 space. We can never get out and make a left turn.

884
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,100
 we have to always go right then make a return to

885
01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:26,570
 come back. So I and the amount of traffic

886
01:06:26,570 --> 01:06:29,030
 as they're saying it's congested and jammed

887
01:06:29,030 --> 01:06:33,740
 during the afternoons, I find this place will

888
01:06:33,740 --> 01:06:37,350
 be totally ruined if this development comes up

889
01:06:37,350 --> 01:06:41,380
 there. So I'm scared that I'm being forced

890
01:06:41,380 --> 01:06:44,190
 to move out of that place and at the same time if

891
01:06:44,190 --> 01:06:46,780
 I move out I'll have to sell my property at

892
01:06:46,780 --> 01:06:51,390
 lower it to get over because we purchased this

893
01:06:51,390 --> 01:06:53,690
 bill this house only because there was no high

894
01:06:53,690 --> 01:06:53,930
 rise

895
01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:57,100
 nearby so I totally I am totally against this

896
01:06:57,100 --> 01:07:01,360
 development I would request not to allow this

897
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:05,470
 change thank you thank you a lot for that speaker

898
01:07:05,470 --> 01:07:12,080
 thank you counsel my name is George Latsko I live

899
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:16,140
 at 57 Westchester just to add a little bit to my

900
01:07:16,140 --> 01:07:20,140
 neighbors by the way my neighbor here if you look

901
01:07:20,140 --> 01:07:22,650
 at how his property is right next to the new

902
01:07:22,650 --> 01:07:25,550
 development, it's going to be basically

903
01:07:25,550 --> 01:07:26,660
 overshadowing

904
01:07:26,660 --> 01:07:30,030
 his entire property. I'm right behind, I'm not

905
01:07:30,030 --> 01:07:32,550
 getting it as bad, but I'm right next to this

906
01:07:32,550 --> 01:07:36,410
 property as well. I think this kind of Pandora's

907
01:07:36,410 --> 01:07:40,260
 box of opening up this high density permitting is

908
01:07:40,260 --> 01:07:43,530
 going to lead to more development like this. I

909
01:07:43,530 --> 01:07:46,590
 like the way it was basically described. We're

910
01:07:46,590 --> 01:07:50,250
 almost like a triangle. It's really the entire

911
01:07:50,250 --> 01:07:53,810
 neighborhood is built like a small residential

912
01:07:53,810 --> 01:07:56,190
 family neighborhood and this is going to change

913
01:07:56,190 --> 01:07:58,800
 the character completely. I think at the very

914
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,300
 least it should be from three floors to two

915
01:08:01,300 --> 01:08:04,730
 floors if the permitting is allowed. It should be

916
01:08:04,730 --> 01:08:09,940
 basically reduced. I just really am against this.

917
01:08:09,940 --> 01:08:12,630
 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the

918
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:15,790
 speaker please sir give us your name you have

919
01:08:15,790 --> 01:08:20,150
 five minutes yes good afternoon mr.

920
01:08:20,150 --> 01:08:23,130
 chair members of council and city staff my name

921
01:08:23,130 --> 01:08:26,040
 is Khaled Baroudi and I live

922
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:31,050
 at 59 Westchester's Drive with my wife and four

923
01:08:31,050 --> 01:08:36,190
 children I am here today to

924
01:08:36,190 --> 01:08:41,380
 respectfully but firmly abose the proposed rez

925
01:08:41,380 --> 01:08:45,600
oning at 350 to 356

926
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:50,730
 windermi road. First and most importantly, this

927
01:08:50,730 --> 01:08:54,790
 proposal raises serious public safety concerns.

928
01:08:54,790 --> 01:08:59,700
 Windermi Road, as you know, is a crucial access

929
01:08:59,700 --> 01:09:04,160
 route to Western University and nearby hospital,

930
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:09,410
 is used daily by ambulances, medical staff and

931
01:09:09,410 --> 01:09:17,100
 emergency responders. Adding 24 residential units

932
01:09:17,100 --> 01:09:23,570
 will significantly increase traffic and may delay

933
01:09:23,570 --> 01:09:27,680
 emergency vehicles. Even a small delay

934
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:32,700
 in emergency response can have life-threatening

935
01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:38,140
 consequences. This is not just planning issue,

936
01:09:38,140 --> 01:09:43,840
 it's a matter of public safety. Secondly, this

937
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:50,050
 deployment is incompatible with the existing

938
01:09:50,050 --> 01:09:54,550
 neighborhood. Our community is a quiet, low-

939
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:59,400
density, family-oriented area, made up primarily

940
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:00,280
 of single

941
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:04,670
 family homes. Introducing a high-density town

942
01:10:04,670 --> 01:10:10,500
houses project represents a drastic and

943
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:11,540
 inappropriate

944
01:10:11,540 --> 01:10:15,310
 change that does not respect the established

945
01:10:15,310 --> 01:10:19,740
 character of this neighborhood. Thirdly,

946
01:10:19,740 --> 01:10:23,770
 the project will directly affect the health and

947
01:10:23,770 --> 01:10:27,710
 daily life of our children. Our backyard

948
01:10:27,710 --> 01:10:31,200
 is not just a space. It is where our children

949
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:35,580
 play, learn and grow in safe and healthy

950
01:10:35,580 --> 01:10:36,270
 environment.

951
01:10:36,270 --> 01:10:41,440
 I came from Syria from a war place to settle in

952
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:45,950
 this great country. I searched for this house

953
01:10:45,950 --> 01:10:51,690
 for two years to find the appropriate location

954
01:10:51,690 --> 01:10:56,980
 where my kids can play and breathe clean air.

955
01:10:56,980 --> 01:11:03,820
 This is a business project for earning money,

956
01:11:03,820 --> 01:11:08,550
 neglecting the rights of our kids, the future of

957
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:09,220
 Canada.

958
01:11:09,220 --> 01:11:14,210
 My kids never visit my country, Syria, they know

959
01:11:14,210 --> 01:11:14,990
 Canada.

960
01:11:14,990 --> 01:11:21,720
 They go to school every day, they sing the songs

961
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,220
 of great Canada.

962
01:11:23,220 --> 01:11:28,620
 By approving this project, you are forcing many

963
01:11:28,620 --> 01:11:31,060
 families to leave this place.

964
01:11:31,060 --> 01:11:37,740
 for what, for money, for renting students,

965
01:11:37,740 --> 01:11:41,740
 neglecting many old people living in this area.

966
01:11:41,740 --> 01:11:47,710
 My next door, Professor spent his 60 years as a

967
01:11:47,710 --> 01:11:52,810
 professor in Western University, 90 years old.

968
01:11:52,810 --> 01:11:58,680
 If you approve his this project, he will wake up

969
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:02,360
 on construction for almost one year.

970
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,950
 you are destroying his life. You are destroying

971
01:12:05,950 --> 01:12:10,700
 by approving this my kids a dream. Please,

972
01:12:10,700 --> 01:12:15,380
 I recommend City of London, not only this

973
01:12:15,380 --> 01:12:20,520
 proposal, any project surrounding the hospital

974
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:25,160
 should be prevented. Hospital patients need clean

975
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:29,380
 air. We don't need more businesses around the

976
01:12:29,380 --> 01:12:33,970
 hospital. Thank you so much. Thank you. I'll look

977
01:12:33,970 --> 01:12:39,890
 for the next speaker. Hi there. My name is

978
01:12:39,890 --> 01:12:42,070
 the animal of elastral.

979
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:44,410
 This should be refused as application.

980
01:12:44,410 --> 01:12:47,270
 It's a bad planning application.

981
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:49,610
 Hopefully council will refuse it.

982
01:12:49,610 --> 01:12:51,240
 It won't be refused here.

983
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:56,640
 I believe that developer for this site,

984
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,870
 350, 356 Windamere is the same person

985
01:12:59,870 --> 01:13:03,660
 that developed a house in my neighborhood.

986
01:13:03,660 --> 01:13:06,480
 That developer re-nagged on the site plan

987
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:10,020
 that they presented to council

988
01:13:10,020 --> 01:13:12,190
 and to the neighborhood.

989
01:13:12,190 --> 01:13:17,940
 They removed a portion of the very small existing

990
01:13:17,940 --> 01:13:18,430
 amenity

991
01:13:18,430 --> 01:13:21,700
 space that they had originally proposed.

992
01:13:21,700 --> 01:13:26,260
 They shrunk it down more to put in more parking.

993
01:13:26,260 --> 01:13:32,020
 And this idea, it's a reality.

994
01:13:32,020 --> 01:13:35,700
 When you rent two, three individuals in one space

995
01:13:35,700 --> 01:13:35,800
,

996
01:13:35,700 --> 01:13:38,180
 they're all going to show up with three cars.

997
01:13:38,180 --> 01:13:40,740
 And that's just the way it is, whether this

998
01:13:40,740 --> 01:13:43,020
 planning committee acknowledges it or not, that's

999
01:13:43,020 --> 01:13:48,090
 just the truth. This also has surface parking lot

1000
01:13:48,090 --> 01:13:48,190
,

1001
01:13:48,090 --> 01:13:51,020
 and which means that it's wasted space, as far as

1002
01:13:51,020 --> 01:13:53,590
 I'm concerned, that should be amenity space,

1003
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:57,000
 that would preserve the trees that would offer

1004
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,260
 buffering, and the parking should be underneath

1005
01:14:00,260 --> 01:14:03,050
 those buildings. And it also will limit, it will

1006
01:14:03,050 --> 01:14:05,910
 constrain the parking to what it's intended to be

1007
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:06,010
,

1008
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:09,560
 because it's a hard truth that there is over

1009
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,120
 parking, there is crowded parking when it's

1010
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,420
 surface parking and it's difficult to control how

1011
01:14:15,420 --> 01:14:17,450
 many vehicles actually sit in the parking

1012
01:14:17,450 --> 01:14:21,520
 lot and which it was intended. Anyone who is

1013
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:26,590
 familiar or cares about near-campus neighborhoods

1014
01:14:26,590 --> 01:14:26,750
,

1015
01:14:26,750 --> 01:14:29,410
 they would know this. I don't have to stand here

1016
01:14:29,410 --> 01:14:31,240
 and tell you, neither would you. You

1017
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,750
 don't have to tell them if they actually took an

1018
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:36,160
 interest and understood what's happening

1019
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,970
 in those neighborhoods because they're decision

1020
01:14:38,970 --> 01:14:41,510
 makers, but that is what will happen. It's

1021
01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:44,460
 predictable. It happens always. And this

1022
01:14:44,460 --> 01:14:47,900
 developer, it was acted in bad faith in my

1023
01:14:47,900 --> 01:14:48,750
 neighborhood.

1024
01:14:48,750 --> 01:14:53,160
 And that goes unaccounted. He goes unaccounted

1025
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:58,100
 for what he did in our neighborhood. And so this

1026
01:14:58,100 --> 01:14:58,330
 is

1027
01:14:58,330 --> 01:15:02,840
 a bad plan. A two story with us with more amenity

1028
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:07,720
 space for buffering to contain and carry on the

1029
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,460
 a characteristic and integrity of the

1030
01:15:09,460 --> 01:15:12,490
 neighborhood. He's not interested in that. He's

1031
01:15:12,490 --> 01:15:13,240
 just interested

1032
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:17,560
 in packing them in. He charges in my neighborhood

1033
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:24,640
. He charges $1,400 per room. And so it's, you

1034
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,040
 know, I can't get rid of these people fast enough

1035
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:31,450
 in my neighborhood. They destroy neighborhoods,

1036
01:15:31,450 --> 01:15:34,650
 and your instinct is correct. Unfortunately, the

1037
01:15:34,650 --> 01:15:35,410
 planning committee.

1038
01:15:35,410 --> 01:15:36,410
 >> Point of order.

1039
01:15:36,410 --> 01:15:37,810
 >> Yes.

1040
01:15:37,810 --> 01:15:38,810
 >> Second.

1041
01:15:38,810 --> 01:15:39,790
 >> Please go ahead, Council.

1042
01:15:39,790 --> 01:15:40,770
 >> Thank you, Chair.

1043
01:15:40,770 --> 01:15:42,770
 And through you, I think that the speaker is

1044
01:15:42,770 --> 01:15:44,500
 going off the topic a little bit.

1045
01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:45,490
 Maybe she could refocus.

1046
01:15:45,490 --> 01:15:46,470
 Thank you.

1047
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:47,460
 >> Sure.

1048
01:15:47,460 --> 01:15:48,450
 I will refocus.

1049
01:15:48,450 --> 01:15:51,460
 >> I'll ask you, Ms. Lasko, to stick with the

1050
01:15:51,460 --> 01:15:53,660
 item at hand and refer just to that,

1051
01:15:53,660 --> 01:15:54,640
 please.

1052
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:55,630
 >> Sure.

1053
01:15:55,630 --> 01:15:57,780
 >> I also would appreciate if the applicant was

1054
01:15:57,780 --> 01:15:59,850
 actually present, because I also would

1055
01:15:59,850 --> 01:16:04,730
 like to know if this applicant will comply with

1056
01:16:04,730 --> 01:16:07,130
 the site control by-law that

1057
01:16:07,130 --> 01:16:10,470
 encourages developers to install bird-friendly

1058
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:11,900
 windows especially when it's

1059
01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:15,840
 near Medway Creek and plant native plant species

1060
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,450
 that are native to

1061
01:16:17,450 --> 01:16:20,780
 southwestern Ontario again to enhance Medway

1062
01:16:20,780 --> 01:16:24,340
 Creek and I'm asking the chair

1063
01:16:24,340 --> 01:16:28,660
 that when he poses my questions to acknowledge I

1064
01:16:28,660 --> 01:16:30,130
'm asking both about

1065
01:16:30,130 --> 01:16:33,300
 birth-friendly windows and about need of plant

1066
01:16:33,300 --> 01:16:36,160
ings on the new development and I

1067
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:40,160
 appreciated if the representative can answer that

1068
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,350
. I would like to know if

1069
01:16:42,350 --> 01:16:45,120
 someone could get back to me on that whether they

1070
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:46,780
 are committed to upholding

1071
01:16:46,780 --> 01:16:50,090
 the site control bylaw. Thank you.

1072
01:16:50,090 --> 01:16:54,750
 Good for the next speaker. I understand we have

1073
01:16:54,750 --> 01:17:00,720
 someone online. Mr. Ferguson are you

1074
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,770
 online? Can you hear me? Yes I am. Can you hear

1075
01:17:04,770 --> 01:17:06,510
 me? We got you. You have five

1076
01:17:06,510 --> 01:17:08,450
 minutes. Please go ahead. Great. Thank you. My

1077
01:17:08,450 --> 01:17:11,030
 name is Peter Ferguson. I'm a long-term resident

1078
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:13,440
 of Canterbury Road. I've been there for more than

1079
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:16,200
 20 years. I have a lot of concerns. I'm speaking

1080
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,550
 in opposition to the zoning application. I have

1081
01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:20,940
 many concerns given the time. I'm going to focus

1082
01:17:20,940 --> 01:17:24,130
 on traffic. There is, in fact, a triangle between

1083
01:17:24,130 --> 01:17:26,790
 Windermere, Richmond, and Western roads,

1084
01:17:26,790 --> 01:17:31,480
 where they can't vary intersex. Windermere Road

1085
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:34,330
 is already an overtaxed road. There's high

1086
01:17:34,330 --> 01:17:35,120
 congestion,

1087
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,860
 especially in the morning and the end of the work

1088
01:17:37,860 --> 01:17:40,770
day. Coming west on Windermere in the morning,

1089
01:17:40,770 --> 01:17:44,170
 the left turn into the hospital is backed up past

1090
01:17:44,170 --> 01:17:47,030
 the road split so that when there is a left turn

1091
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:50,030
 lane and a right throughfare, the right through

1092
01:17:50,030 --> 01:17:53,190
fare is already blocked off. Adding more traffic

1093
01:17:53,190 --> 01:17:53,350
 is

1094
01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:56,770
 going to increase that problem. In the evening,

1095
01:17:56,770 --> 01:18:01,140
 the traffic coming north on western road, turning

1096
01:18:01,140 --> 01:18:04,480
 right on the winter mirror road is badly backed

1097
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:08,480
 up. The traffic from campus coming out of campus

1098
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:11,660
 on the winter mirror road is also badly backed up

1099
01:18:11,660 --> 01:18:17,160
. Adding additional traffic in the form of this

1100
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,660
 this zoning application is going to make all of

1101
01:18:20,660 --> 01:18:28,810
 these problems worse. The assumption that it will

1102
01:18:28,810 --> 01:18:35,190
 just be 26 cars is myopic I think or or dishonest

1103
01:18:35,190 --> 01:18:38,070
 and I think you can't also just can't account

1104
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:40,610
 for those cars you have to also look at the

1105
01:18:40,610 --> 01:18:43,440
 delivery drivers and the uber cars that come

1106
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:46,460
 there we all saw this with the development on

1107
01:18:46,460 --> 01:18:49,640
 Richmond deluxe which is south of Windermere

1108
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,360
 and also the north of Windermere the masonville

1109
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:54,760
 yards which is across from the mall

1110
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,900
 And both of those developments had dedicated

1111
01:18:57,900 --> 01:19:02,220
 lanes for drop-off pickup, Uber drivers,

1112
01:19:02,220 --> 01:19:07,710
 you know, DoorDash, etc. And this is, that's just

1113
01:19:07,710 --> 01:19:10,570
 leaving aside the impact of the traffic on

1114
01:19:10,570 --> 01:19:13,050
 Western Enrichment Road. I think there's a very

1115
01:19:13,050 --> 01:19:15,350
 important public safety issue that needs to be

1116
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:21,170
 considered. Windermare is a major transit point

1117
01:19:21,170 --> 01:19:22,330
 for ambulances and people driving to emergencies,

1118
01:19:22,330 --> 01:19:25,070
 Despite the fact that there's an entrance off a

1119
01:19:25,070 --> 01:19:29,010
 western road, ambulances and people accessing

1120
01:19:29,010 --> 01:19:33,150
 emergency, transit, Windermere Road, there's also

1121
01:19:33,150 --> 01:19:36,440
 a lot of pedestrian traffic on Canterbury Road.

1122
01:19:36,440 --> 01:19:39,300
 Students that are walking from housing north of

1123
01:19:39,300 --> 01:19:42,560
 campus come down Windermere Road and cross at the

1124
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,340
 Windermere Canterbury intersection.

1125
01:19:45,340 --> 01:19:48,870
 There's already a problem with inpatient drivers

1126
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:50,510
 at high traffic times.

1127
01:19:50,540 --> 01:19:54,700
 I've been almost hit many times over the last two

1128
01:19:54,700 --> 01:19:55,830
 decades.

1129
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:58,130
 I think that adding this amount of traffic

1130
01:19:58,130 --> 01:20:01,740
 increases the chances of catastrophic events

1131
01:20:01,740 --> 01:20:04,970
 both in terms of people accessing the hospital or

1132
01:20:04,970 --> 01:20:09,570
 ambulances or pedestrian drivers.

1133
01:20:09,570 --> 01:20:11,390
 There's also an issue of danger to the

1134
01:20:11,390 --> 01:20:13,910
 neighborhood from traffic because what happens is

1135
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:14,330
 people

1136
01:20:14,330 --> 01:20:16,720
 people want to bypass the existing traffic

1137
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:21,230
 problems by using Westchester Road and Canterbury

1138
01:20:21,230 --> 01:20:25,030
 Road to bypass these intersections. They're

1139
01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:28,250
 frustrated drivers. They drive very fast.

1140
01:20:28,250 --> 01:20:31,830
 The city was very helpful for us probably 15

1141
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:34,760
 years ago putting a no through street sign

1142
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,310
 on. So we didn't have people speeding up

1143
01:20:37,310 --> 01:20:39,810
 Canterbury only to find it blocked and then

1144
01:20:39,810 --> 01:20:42,890
 speeding back down. But there's a lot of children

1145
01:20:42,890 --> 01:20:44,880
 and elderly residents in the area

1146
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,070
 and when they use this bypass, right now it's

1147
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:51,440
 dangerous adding this traffic will make it worse.

1148
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:53,960
 There's a couple of horrific accidents at the

1149
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,320
 intersection of Windermere Enrichment every year

1150
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:00,360
 where inpatient people are trying to get across

1151
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,650
 Windermere, across Richmond on Windermere

1152
01:21:02,650 --> 01:21:05,330
 and end up in the middle of the field where the

1153
01:21:05,330 --> 01:21:07,650
 Westminster buildings used to be.

1154
01:21:07,650 --> 01:21:10,690
 I would ask if there has been an existing, if

1155
01:21:10,690 --> 01:21:12,960
 there has been a traffic assessment study,

1156
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,640
 If it exists, I was unable to find it in the

1157
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,980
 package of information and I was noted in the

1158
01:21:17,980 --> 01:21:21,280
 document that it did not seem to exist. I don't

1159
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:24,110
 think that I think you should call for a traffic

1160
01:21:24,110 --> 01:21:26,920
 assessment and if one is done, I think it cannot

1161
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,770
 be allowed to have overly-optimist assumptions,

1162
01:21:29,770 --> 01:21:32,900
 overly-optimist assumptions about the number of

1163
01:21:32,900 --> 01:21:36,160
 autos. This is high-end housing for wealthy

1164
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:39,180
 Western students that are going to bring their

1165
01:21:39,180 --> 01:21:41,430
 cars. We know all up and down the

1166
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:45,010
 street that when the students are in houses which

1167
01:21:45,010 --> 01:21:46,240
 we have no problem with the

1168
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,750
 students being in the houses but they all bring

1169
01:21:48,750 --> 01:21:50,570
 cars. So saying you're going to

1170
01:21:50,570 --> 01:21:53,270
 create 78 residential spaces and there's only

1171
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:55,220
 going to be 26 cars there is

1172
01:21:55,220 --> 01:21:59,580
 dishonest. It may fit the zoning bylaw but it

1173
01:21:59,580 --> 01:22:05,150
 does not reflect reality. We must

1174
01:22:05,150 --> 01:22:09,500
 include also if they're doing the the the the

1175
01:22:09,500 --> 01:22:12,280
 traffic assessment, it has to include other

1176
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:12,830
 approved

1177
01:22:12,830 --> 01:22:15,580
 housing. They could also tax the intersection

1178
01:22:15,580 --> 01:22:17,980
 like the mall area housing, which has already

1179
01:22:17,980 --> 01:22:21,330
 been approved 30 seconds place during the fall

1180
01:22:21,330 --> 01:22:24,260
 and winter terms when there's a lot of traffic.

1181
01:22:24,260 --> 01:22:26,770
 Okay, so I don't think the risk of this must be

1182
01:22:26,770 --> 01:22:29,190
 acknowledged. The road was not designed for

1183
01:22:29,190 --> 01:22:31,960
 high density areas. There should be a traffic

1184
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:36,410
 study. We need the Windermere Road to be expanded

1185
01:22:36,410 --> 01:22:39,200
 before this type of development, because this is

1186
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:41,340
 not a modest compared to the neighborhood. The

1187
01:22:41,340 --> 01:22:43,750
 neighborhood are single houses, and this is a

1188
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:46,360
 massive expansion of the neighborhood. And I

1189
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:46,460
 think

1190
01:22:46,430 --> 01:22:48,620
 this is a dangerous problem in terms of traffic.

1191
01:22:48,620 --> 01:22:51,330
 Thank you for your time. Thank you. I look for

1192
01:22:51,330 --> 01:22:55,250
 the next speaker. Please, sir. Give us your name.

1193
01:22:55,250 --> 01:22:58,340
 You have five minutes. Hello. My name is Mike

1194
01:22:58,340 --> 01:23:01,300
 and clear. I'm a little bit 51 Westchester Drive

1195
01:23:01,300 --> 01:23:02,420
 so I'm probably the one of the

1196
01:23:02,420 --> 01:23:05,070
 few here that it could be most impacted by this

1197
01:23:05,070 --> 01:23:09,390
 project. Currently I enjoy park

1198
01:23:09,390 --> 01:23:12,290
 like setting my neighbors behind me where this

1199
01:23:12,290 --> 01:23:13,760
 proposal is supposed to be

1200
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:19,220
 beautiful yards pool. I've been there I could say

1201
01:23:19,220 --> 01:23:21,990
 25 plus years and the reason I

1202
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:23,630
 bought that neighborhood was because it was a

1203
01:23:23,630 --> 01:23:25,700
 beautiful neighborhood. Over the

1204
01:23:25,700 --> 01:23:28,340
 last 20 years our neighborhood has already begun

1205
01:23:28,340 --> 01:23:30,520
 to deteriorate. We have a

1206
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,670
 lot of student rentals in there. We have a lot of

1207
01:23:33,670 --> 01:23:36,760
 people parking on grass, the

1208
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:41,650
 lawns, the streets. We have students have no

1209
01:23:41,650 --> 01:23:44,490
 respect for the community or the

1210
01:23:44,490 --> 01:23:50,020
 people that live in the community. We have

1211
01:23:50,020 --> 01:23:54,630
 garbage issues constantly. We have

1212
01:23:54,630 --> 01:23:59,950
 skunks, coyotes, now in our neighborhoods. I have

1213
01:23:59,950 --> 01:24:03,450
 a dog, as many of our neighbors do.

1214
01:24:03,450 --> 01:24:06,180
 and at night time it's becoming impossible to

1215
01:24:06,180 --> 01:24:08,360
 walk your dog because the

1216
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:10,910
 last three or four months now with the amount of

1217
01:24:10,910 --> 01:24:12,320
 garbage that's on the streets

1218
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:19,450
 being left out being torn apart I've had coyotes

1219
01:24:19,450 --> 01:24:22,640
 on my driveway just just

1220
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,870
 walk in the neighborhood it's unbelievable now

1221
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:29,810
 they want to put it these three

1222
01:24:29,810 --> 01:24:33,010
 stories units they caught you know they say they

1223
01:24:33,010 --> 01:24:35,750
're 12 units each 24 units most

1224
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:37,890
 these places minor state are going to be one, two

1225
01:24:37,890 --> 01:24:40,090
, three bedrooms with common areas, common

1226
01:24:40,090 --> 01:24:43,020
 kitchens. So you're not talking about 26 students

1227
01:24:43,020 --> 01:24:46,330
. What you're talking about is 4550 students

1228
01:24:46,330 --> 01:24:50,430
 going in there. We have, we will have no privacy.

1229
01:24:50,430 --> 01:24:53,160
 As far as the integrity of the neighborhood,

1230
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:56,420
 it will be gone. We have to listen to the noise

1231
01:24:56,420 --> 01:24:59,730
 from these students already. All the partying,

1232
01:24:59,730 --> 01:25:04,570
 the parking. It's become a real problem. I've

1233
01:25:04,570 --> 01:25:07,830
 called the city numerous times to deal with this

1234
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:11,110
 with no response. I've called the city police.

1235
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:14,430
 They tell me to call the city and they tell me to

1236
01:25:14,430 --> 01:25:17,250
 call the university. So not all support for the

1237
01:25:17,250 --> 01:25:21,560
 neighborhood from you people. Putting this up

1238
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,610
 is against everybody's wishes in the entire

1239
01:25:24,610 --> 01:25:28,630
 neighborhood. It's a slippery slope. If you allow

1240
01:25:28,630 --> 01:25:31,340
 this project to go, then what do you say to the

1241
01:25:31,340 --> 01:25:33,910
 next person? Because the person beside me in the

1242
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:37,100
 corner, he's been trying for many years to knock

1243
01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:39,930
 that house down and put up a couple more rental

1244
01:25:39,930 --> 01:25:44,240
 places. So our fear is, once this begins, where

1245
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:46,620
 do you say no, and then where do you stop it?

1246
01:25:46,620 --> 01:25:51,000
 On the back of my property, there's three

1247
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:56,850
 properties. And there's trees that are maybe

1248
01:25:56,850 --> 01:26:01,280
 three, five feet on inside the fence line that

1249
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:05,020
 are mature trees. I would like to know those are

1250
01:26:05,020 --> 01:26:09,050
 going to be left alone, which is nice because it

1251
01:26:09,050 --> 01:26:11,770
 does give some buffer, it does give some privacy,

1252
01:26:13,100 --> 01:26:16,450
 or they're going to be torn down as most

1253
01:26:16,450 --> 01:26:18,910
 construction sites do, they go in and clear

1254
01:26:18,910 --> 01:26:23,720
 everything out. Again, we've been living there

1255
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:27,480
 with a beautiful neighborhood. Now,

1256
01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:31,560
 we're going to enjoy seeing parking lots, garbage

1257
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,320
 containers, noise, because now they're going to

1258
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:38,410
 be looking down at our houses. And we already

1259
01:26:38,410 --> 01:26:42,780
 have problems with student noises, student

1260
01:26:42,780 --> 01:26:42,980
 partying,

1261
01:26:42,980 --> 01:26:46,100
 and I don't need to condemn students because a

1262
01:26:46,100 --> 01:26:49,240
 lot of them are really, really good and they're

1263
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:49,520
 great.

1264
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:54,110
 a lot of them aren't. So putting another 40 45

1265
01:26:54,110 --> 01:26:56,750
 students in there, parking is going to be a mess.

1266
01:26:56,750 --> 01:26:59,280
 It's going to be a nightmare. Garbage is going to

1267
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,510
 be a nightmare. The noise is going to be a

1268
01:27:01,510 --> 01:27:02,480
 nightmare.

1269
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:06,340
 And that's why we're all against this. It changes

1270
01:27:06,340 --> 01:27:09,510
 the whole perspective of the neighborhood

1271
01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:14,280
 and I don't see why it has to happen. Thank you.

1272
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:17,610
 Thank you. I understand there's someone

1273
01:27:17,610 --> 01:27:21,690
 online that would like to speak. Chris, if you

1274
01:27:21,690 --> 01:27:30,360
 can hear me. Can you hear me? We can. Please go

1275
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:32,170
 - Go ahead, you have five minutes.

1276
01:27:32,170 --> 01:27:34,890
 - Excellent, thank you, Mr. Chair, thank you

1277
01:27:34,890 --> 01:27:35,570
 Mayor Morgan

1278
01:27:35,570 --> 01:27:38,540
 and Councillors for allowing me to speak to you

1279
01:27:38,540 --> 01:27:39,180
 today.

1280
01:27:39,180 --> 01:27:43,230
 I have lived at 522 Canterbury Road for 20 years

1281
01:27:43,230 --> 01:27:45,440
 and I have the honor of serving as,

1282
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:47,680
 having served as it's the president

1283
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,550
 of the Triangle Community Association for 10

1284
01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:51,250
 years.

1285
01:27:51,250 --> 01:27:53,150
 Many members from my area,

1286
01:27:53,150 --> 01:27:54,810
 in addition to the one speaking to you today,

1287
01:27:54,810 --> 01:27:56,680
 contacted me to express concerns.

1288
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,010
 So many of the concerns I will lay out quickly

1289
01:27:59,010 --> 01:28:00,930
 for you here are those.

1290
01:28:00,930 --> 01:28:03,230
 I will say some residents were unable to

1291
01:28:03,230 --> 01:28:04,080
 participate

1292
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:07,300
 in the public consultation processes so far

1293
01:28:07,300 --> 01:28:09,050
 for a variety of reasons because they were held

1294
01:28:09,050 --> 01:28:11,030
 in January and February because they're elderly

1295
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:13,040
 or because they were away from London.

1296
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:15,650
 So there are many more people than those

1297
01:28:15,650 --> 01:28:17,240
 who are appearing before you today who are

1298
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:18,950
 concerned.

1299
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:21,030
 As has already been explained,

1300
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:23,590
 we have a very deep concern as a community

1301
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:27,730
 that the rezoning will initiate a serious

1302
01:28:27,730 --> 01:28:28,660
 destabilization

1303
01:28:28,660 --> 01:28:30,460
 of our area.

1304
01:28:30,460 --> 01:28:32,930
 We're very proud of the fact that Canterbury Road

1305
01:28:32,930 --> 01:28:35,480
 and Windumer Road have never had a giant

1306
01:28:35,480 --> 01:28:39,110
 out of control student party that's required

1307
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:39,670
 thousands

1308
01:28:39,670 --> 01:28:42,460
 and thousands of dollars of police and city

1309
01:28:42,460 --> 01:28:43,860
 expenditure

1310
01:28:43,860 --> 01:28:47,720
 to maintain precisely because we have the

1311
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:48,410
 privilege

1312
01:28:48,410 --> 01:28:51,380
 of being a very stable cooperative community.

1313
01:28:51,380 --> 01:28:55,440
 That's in large part because of the R1 zoning

1314
01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:56,290
 allotment

1315
01:28:56,290 --> 01:29:00,300
 and the presence of many long-term residents,

1316
01:29:00,300 --> 01:29:02,450
 such as Penn Camp and Keith Morrow,

1317
01:29:02,450 --> 01:29:04,010
 who have spoken already here today.

1318
01:29:04,010 --> 01:29:07,140
 Changing the zoning really threatens

1319
01:29:07,140 --> 01:29:09,740
 to destabilize the entire area.

1320
01:29:09,740 --> 01:29:12,240
 We don't want another broftail.

1321
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,160
 Second, many people have already talked to you

1322
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:15,970
 about the issue around parking.

1323
01:29:15,970 --> 01:29:19,400
 I totally agree that the parking allotment is

1324
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:20,160
 insufficient

1325
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:23,510
 in no small part because along with the fact

1326
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:25,680
 that many of the residents more than one

1327
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:26,100
 apartment

1328
01:29:26,100 --> 01:29:28,890
 have a car, you have to remember and the staff

1329
01:29:28,890 --> 01:29:31,680
 report did not know that parking near the

1330
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:32,480
 university

1331
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:35,040
 is public parking is non-existent. There's

1332
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,820
 enormous pressure and much illegal parking

1333
01:29:37,820 --> 01:29:40,480
 simply because there is not enough existing

1334
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:43,240
 parking and adding more population will drive

1335
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:47,660
 this problem into an even further negative aspect

1336
01:29:47,660 --> 01:29:53,360
. It was quite sorry to see that the staff report

1337
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:56,910
 didn't include much actual discussion of the

1338
01:29:56,910 --> 01:29:59,900
 environmental impacts of this development.

1339
01:29:59,900 --> 01:30:03,330
 I did note 37 trees are proposed to be removed.

1340
01:30:03,330 --> 01:30:04,840
 Penn camp already told you

1341
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:09,120
 counselors that our neighborhood has been quite

1342
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,300
 deforested owing to infrastructure

1343
01:30:11,300 --> 01:30:13,970
 works that happened a few years ago. We are quite

1344
01:30:13,970 --> 01:30:16,170
 concerned to lose even more forest

1345
01:30:16,170 --> 01:30:19,490
 cap in the area. I also noticed the staff report

1346
01:30:19,490 --> 01:30:21,990
 did not mention or treat carefully

1347
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:27,610
 the proposed new developments proximity to the

1348
01:30:27,610 --> 01:30:31,870
 river basin and the river that is right across

1349
01:30:31,870 --> 01:30:31,970
 the

1350
01:30:31,950 --> 01:30:36,590
 street. We are quite a unique area because that

1351
01:30:36,590 --> 01:30:40,850
 natural boundary is quite pristine as it stands,

1352
01:30:40,850 --> 01:30:45,450
 and I'm quite sure additional population density

1353
01:30:45,450 --> 01:30:48,630
 in that specific area will add more garbage,

1354
01:30:48,630 --> 01:30:51,600
 more pollution and more stress on the natural

1355
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:55,010
 environment.

1356
01:30:55,010 --> 01:30:57,750
 I have concerns about the reputation and track

1357
01:30:57,750 --> 01:31:00,750
 record of the development and the city's capacity

1358
01:31:00,750 --> 01:31:03,950
 if the counselors decide to proceed with this in

1359
01:31:03,950 --> 01:31:07,090
 their capacity to regulate and police and

1360
01:31:07,090 --> 01:31:10,200
 hold the developer to the plans laid out here.

1361
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:12,370
 I do agree that the proposed three-story

1362
01:31:12,370 --> 01:31:14,820
 structures are incompatible with what currently

1363
01:31:14,820 --> 01:31:15,900
 exists.

1364
01:31:15,900 --> 01:31:18,210
 the plans are not compatible with the character

1365
01:31:18,210 --> 01:31:21,210
 and the single family dominance of my

1366
01:31:21,210 --> 01:31:24,180
 neighborhood.

1367
01:31:24,180 --> 01:31:26,930
 I thank you sincerely for your time.

1368
01:31:26,930 --> 01:31:27,750
 - Thank you.

1369
01:31:27,750 --> 01:31:35,030
 I'll look for the next speaker.

1370
01:31:35,030 --> 01:31:39,590
 I'll ask Clerk if there's anyone else online.

1371
01:31:39,590 --> 01:31:41,550
 I don't see anyone coming to the microphones

1372
01:31:41,550 --> 01:31:44,090
 and I don't have anyone online solid for motion

1373
01:31:44,090 --> 01:31:45,810
 to close the PPM.

1374
01:31:45,810 --> 01:31:51,680
 Councilor Cuddy, seconded by the mayor.

1375
01:31:51,680 --> 01:32:08,760
 We'll call them.

1376
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:10,840
 - Let's think about the motion carries four to

1377
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:11,380
 zero.

1378
01:32:11,380 --> 01:32:12,750
 - A couple of questions that were raised

1379
01:32:12,750 --> 01:32:14,310
 or concerns that I want to go to staff

1380
01:32:14,310 --> 01:32:16,970
 before we put it on the floor.

1381
01:32:16,970 --> 01:32:21,050
 Flood concerns, can you comment on flood

1382
01:32:21,050 --> 01:32:21,700
 mitigation

1383
01:32:21,700 --> 01:32:24,310
 and concerns or lack thereof for this particular

1384
01:32:24,310 --> 01:32:26,600
 development?

1385
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:28,690
 - Thank you through the chair.

1386
01:32:28,690 --> 01:32:31,150
 Detailed stormwater and grading design

1387
01:32:31,150 --> 01:32:33,570
 is reviewed through the site plan process,

1388
01:32:33,570 --> 01:32:35,730
 but what I can say is per city engineering

1389
01:32:35,730 --> 01:32:36,100
 standards,

1390
01:32:36,100 --> 01:32:39,190
 stormwater flows are to be self-contained on the

1391
01:32:39,190 --> 01:32:39,910
 site,

1392
01:32:39,910 --> 01:32:42,720
 directed internally to catch basins.

1393
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,460
 From there they'll be conveyed through private

1394
01:32:45,460 --> 01:32:45,850
 sewers

1395
01:32:45,850 --> 01:32:48,830
 to our municipal right-of-way underground and

1396
01:32:48,830 --> 01:32:51,000
 then the major flows will be directed to Winderm

1397
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:51,490
ere Road.

1398
01:32:51,490 --> 01:32:54,930
 So we're not anticipating any negative impacts at

1399
01:32:54,930 --> 01:32:58,270
 this point to adjacent properties. There's no

1400
01:32:58,270 --> 01:33:01,150
 concerns with flooding and also I wanted to point

1401
01:33:01,150 --> 01:33:03,700
 out that the existing topography is actually

1402
01:33:03,700 --> 01:33:06,650
 sloped towards Windermere Road which helps with

1403
01:33:06,650 --> 01:33:09,160
 the overall design. Thank you. Thank you.

1404
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:13,510
 Again, trees. There mentioned there's three

1405
01:33:13,510 --> 01:33:17,220
 mature trees. Have those been identified or

1406
01:33:17,220 --> 01:33:20,360
 those due to come down or is that something that

1407
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:21,730
 staff can comment on?

1408
01:33:21,730 --> 01:33:26,830
 Thank you and through the chair. So both the

1409
01:33:26,830 --> 01:33:28,090
 application was reviewed by

1410
01:33:28,090 --> 01:33:31,400
 landscape architecture and ecology staff and no

1411
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:32,830
 issues were identified.

1412
01:33:32,830 --> 01:33:35,010
 As part of the application and tree preservation

1413
01:33:35,010 --> 01:33:36,300
 plan was also submitted

1414
01:33:36,300 --> 01:33:40,810
 and that plan identified total 54 trees which 37

1415
01:33:40,810 --> 01:33:42,660
 are proposed for removal.

1416
01:33:42,660 --> 01:33:45,270
 Any replacement trees will be addressed through a

1417
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:46,260
 future site plan

1418
01:33:46,260 --> 01:33:49,240
 application and then with regards to the ecology

1419
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:51,080
 there are no natural heritage

1420
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:53,520
 features on site. Ecology staff reviewed the

1421
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:55,580
 application and addressed no

1422
01:33:55,580 --> 01:34:00,380
 concerns. Okay, thank you. A traffic study has a

1423
01:34:00,380 --> 01:34:01,710
 traffic study been done for

1424
01:34:01,710 --> 01:34:05,460
 this particular development. Thank you and

1425
01:34:05,460 --> 01:34:06,920
 through the chair as part of the

1426
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:09,740
 complete application the TAA was not required as

1427
01:34:09,740 --> 01:34:11,380
 it's a total of 24 units

1428
01:34:11,380 --> 01:34:13,800
 which is relatively minor compared to the total

1429
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:15,280
 amount of traffic in the area.

1430
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:17,950
 Windinger Road is a civic boulevard with over 14,

1431
01:34:17,950 --> 01:34:19,670
000 vehicle movements a day.

1432
01:34:19,670 --> 01:34:22,960
 Western Road has over 22,000 vehicle movements a

1433
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:24,810
 day and so the TIA was not required because

1434
01:34:24,810 --> 01:34:27,780
 the impacts of the proposed developments will be

1435
01:34:27,780 --> 01:34:29,950
 very minor on the total traffic in the

1436
01:34:29,950 --> 01:34:31,320
 area.

1437
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:32,310
 Okay.

1438
01:34:32,310 --> 01:34:33,300
 Thank you.

1439
01:34:33,300 --> 01:34:35,050
 Any other concerns that were raised?

1440
01:34:35,050 --> 01:34:37,700
 I'll leave for committee or visiting councilors

1441
01:34:37,700 --> 01:34:38,970
 to address on that one.

1442
01:34:38,970 --> 01:34:41,620
 So I'll put that out on the floor for committee

1443
01:34:41,620 --> 01:34:47,790
 right now.

1444
01:34:47,790 --> 01:34:48,890
 Councilor.

1445
01:34:48,890 --> 01:34:49,840
 Chair, I'll move the staff recommendation.

1446
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:54,460
 I'll look for a seconder.

1447
01:34:54,460 --> 01:34:57,240
 I'll second the motion to get it going,

1448
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,930
 get the conversation going here.

1449
01:34:59,930 --> 01:35:03,170
 So I'll look for comments from members of the

1450
01:35:03,170 --> 01:35:03,380
 committee

1451
01:35:03,380 --> 01:35:06,340
 or visiting Councilor Perma.

1452
01:35:06,340 --> 01:35:07,180
 - Thank you, Chair.

1453
01:35:07,180 --> 01:35:09,960
 And I would just like to add a few more questions

1454
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:12,070
 from the residents.

1455
01:35:12,070 --> 01:35:14,140
 The city has considered the additional bike lanes

1456
01:35:14,140 --> 01:35:14,970
 on Windermi Road.

1457
01:35:14,970 --> 01:35:17,480
 If the proposed bike lane is approved,

1458
01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:20,220
 the presence of the proposed units will create

1459
01:35:20,220 --> 01:35:22,210
 an increased safety risk for pedestrians,

1460
01:35:22,210 --> 01:35:26,300
 and drivers alike by having so many residents

1461
01:35:26,300 --> 01:35:27,690
 traversing a very small

1462
01:35:27,690 --> 01:35:30,740
 stretch of the road. How will the safety issues

1463
01:35:30,740 --> 01:35:31,950
 be addressed?

1464
01:35:31,950 --> 01:35:37,680
 Thank you for the question and through the chair.

1465
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:38,670
 There is an upcoming

1466
01:35:38,670 --> 01:35:41,640
 transportation project on Windermere Road to

1467
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:43,750
 upgrade the four lanes of

1468
01:35:43,750 --> 01:35:46,430
 traffic and introduce bike lanes on the north

1469
01:35:46,430 --> 01:35:48,180
 side of the street. I believe

1470
01:35:48,180 --> 01:35:52,820
 between Windermere and Boone Drive, this is

1471
01:35:52,820 --> 01:35:53,690
 upcoming I believe it's

1472
01:35:53,690 --> 01:35:55,870
 scheduled for 2028.

1473
01:35:55,870 --> 01:35:57,460
 Further, as part of the application,

1474
01:35:57,460 --> 01:36:00,510
 the applicant is providing approximately 8 meters

1475
01:36:00,510 --> 01:36:02,710
 of road widening.

1476
01:36:02,710 --> 01:36:04,680
 So there will be sufficient distance

1477
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:07,040
 between the ultimate right-of-way

1478
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:09,210
 and the front of the building.

1479
01:36:09,210 --> 01:36:11,170
 OK, so just to be clear, I just want

1480
01:36:11,170 --> 01:36:12,960
 to make sure I heard you correctly.

1481
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:15,710
 There's sufficient room for future world widening

1482
01:36:15,710 --> 01:36:19,550
 with this development, is that correct?

1483
01:36:19,550 --> 01:36:20,870
 Bruted jar, that is correct.

1484
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:23,830
 As part of the future site plan application,

1485
01:36:23,830 --> 01:36:27,050
 the 7.9 meter road winding will be obtained by

1486
01:36:27,050 --> 01:36:29,790
 the city councilor just to

1487
01:36:29,790 --> 01:36:32,830
 follow up on this one and it is on the north side

1488
01:36:32,830 --> 01:36:36,550
 correct go staff correct the

1489
01:36:36,550 --> 01:36:40,650
 bike lanes are are scheduled or will be planned

1490
01:36:40,650 --> 01:36:41,900
 for the for the north side of

1491
01:36:41,900 --> 01:36:45,210
 the street okay thank you for that follow up as

1492
01:36:45,210 --> 01:36:46,930
 there'll be loss of sunlight was

1493
01:36:46,930 --> 01:36:51,400
 there a shadowing study done go staff thank you

1494
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:52,220
 and through the chair now

1495
01:36:52,220 --> 01:36:55,160
 studies shadow study was not required as this is

1496
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:57,580
 a three-story development can I

1497
01:36:57,580 --> 01:37:01,070
 - Yeah, again, just on that, the province not do

1498
01:37:01,070 --> 01:37:01,270
 away

1499
01:37:01,270 --> 01:37:03,280
 with the shadow study requirements, can you

1500
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:17,980
 comment on that?

1501
01:37:17,980 --> 01:37:20,240
 - Through the chair, no regulations have been

1502
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:20,950
 introduced

1503
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:23,710
 yet by the province as of this time.

1504
01:37:23,710 --> 01:37:25,870
 Typically as a city, we would like to see shadow

1505
01:37:25,870 --> 01:37:26,630
 studies

1506
01:37:26,630 --> 01:37:28,110
 from mid or high rise development.

1507
01:37:28,110 --> 01:37:31,410
 So six to eight stories minimum is where we like

1508
01:37:31,410 --> 01:37:33,210
 to see a shadow studies and as mentioned,

1509
01:37:33,210 --> 01:37:36,120
 this is a proposal for tree study development.

1510
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:38,450
 So no shadow study was requested.

1511
01:37:38,450 --> 01:37:40,940
 - Okay, thank you for that clarification, Council

1512
01:37:40,940 --> 01:37:41,210
or.

1513
01:37:41,210 --> 01:37:42,750
 - Thank you, follow-up.

1514
01:37:42,750 --> 01:37:44,050
 Even though it was already addressed

1515
01:37:44,050 --> 01:37:46,580
 that the traffic study was not done,

1516
01:37:46,580 --> 01:37:49,730
 but a follow-up question from a resident,

1517
01:37:49,730 --> 01:37:52,230
 if our staff, even though the study wasn't

1518
01:37:52,230 --> 01:37:52,820
 necessary,

1519
01:37:52,820 --> 01:37:55,660
 if our staff consider the emergency vehicles

1520
01:37:55,660 --> 01:37:59,140
 and ambulances entering exiting the hospital.

1521
01:37:59,140 --> 01:38:00,910
 - No, go staff.

1522
01:38:00,910 --> 01:38:02,780
 - Thank you, and through the chair,

1523
01:38:02,780 --> 01:38:04,980
 as part of the transportation review,

1524
01:38:04,980 --> 01:38:06,570
 emergency access was reviewed,

1525
01:38:06,570 --> 01:38:08,760
 and no concerns were outlined.

1526
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:10,150
 - Councilor.

1527
01:38:10,150 --> 01:38:12,000
 - Thank you, where will the cars be parked?

1528
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:14,140
 of the current proposal doesn't have sufficient

1529
01:38:14,140 --> 01:38:14,590
 parking

1530
01:38:14,590 --> 01:38:16,330
 for the tenants.

1531
01:38:16,330 --> 01:38:19,310
 - How about staff?

1532
01:38:19,310 --> 01:38:20,960
 - Through the chair, thank you for the question.

1533
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,670
 The proposal meets the minimum parking standards.

1534
01:38:23,670 --> 01:38:26,950
 In fact, additional parking is provided

1535
01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:28,780
 above the minimum standards.

1536
01:38:28,780 --> 01:38:31,760
 There are also no parking signs existing

1537
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:33,020
 on the Windermere Road.

1538
01:38:33,020 --> 01:38:34,930
 So any parking spillover onto the street

1539
01:38:34,930 --> 01:38:38,030
 would be a by-law enforcement matter,

1540
01:38:38,030 --> 01:38:40,240
 but from our perspective, sufficient parking is

1541
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:41,380
 provided.

1542
01:38:41,380 --> 01:38:42,640
 - Councillor.

1543
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:46,330
 - Bob Garbage collection and snow removal.

1544
01:38:46,330 --> 01:38:47,420
 - Go staff.

1545
01:38:47,420 --> 01:38:48,630
 - Through the chair.

1546
01:38:48,630 --> 01:38:49,920
 Those matters will be addressed through

1547
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:51,970
 the future site plan application.

1548
01:38:51,970 --> 01:38:52,920
 - Councillor.

1549
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:56,740
 - Birdfriend live in those native plant species.

1550
01:38:56,740 --> 01:38:59,710
 - Go staff.

1551
01:38:59,710 --> 01:39:01,660
 - So for any new development, thank you and

1552
01:39:01,660 --> 01:39:02,400
 through the chair.

1553
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:05,350
 For any new development as part of site plan,

1554
01:39:05,350 --> 01:39:08,670
 Birdfriend the windows are encouraged

1555
01:39:08,670 --> 01:39:11,050
 and that will be further addressed

1556
01:39:11,050 --> 01:39:13,240
 through the site plan application.

1557
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:15,190
 - Councillor.

1558
01:39:15,190 --> 01:39:17,100
 - I know we have talked about the trees already

1559
01:39:17,100 --> 01:39:18,020
 and this was answered.

1560
01:39:18,020 --> 01:39:21,370
 I just wanna confirm that I did receive emails,

1561
01:39:21,370 --> 01:39:22,400
 phone calls,

1562
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:24,670
 concerns when the first trees came down,

1563
01:39:24,670 --> 01:39:27,220
 and I do confirm it was already stated that I did

1564
01:39:27,220 --> 01:39:27,940
 receive,

1565
01:39:27,940 --> 01:39:31,840
 that our city staff did issue permit for that.

1566
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,150
 I do have, I think, last question.

1567
01:39:34,150 --> 01:39:36,600
 How is this compatible fitting neighborhood?

1568
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:39,700
 And I believe that's my last question.

1569
01:39:39,700 --> 01:39:42,580
 - How about staff?

1570
01:39:42,580 --> 01:39:43,930
 - Thank you, and through the chair.

1571
01:39:43,930 --> 01:39:47,410
 The Alonam plan contains evaluation criteria

1572
01:39:47,410 --> 01:39:49,350
 for all planning applications,

1573
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:52,060
 including the degree to which proposal fits

1574
01:39:52,060 --> 01:39:54,670
 in the existing and planned context.

1575
01:39:54,670 --> 01:39:56,890
 As this is an urban corridor,

1576
01:39:56,890 --> 01:39:58,610
 pretty significant intensification is

1577
01:39:58,610 --> 01:39:59,510
 contemplated

1578
01:39:59,510 --> 01:40:02,390
 as part of the vision for the urban corridor play

1579
01:40:02,390 --> 01:40:02,870
style

1580
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:05,270
 and staff reviews the application

1581
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:06,670
 based on the evaluation criteria

1582
01:40:06,670 --> 01:40:08,780
 and are satisfied that the use,

1583
01:40:08,780 --> 01:40:11,320
 intensity and form meets those criteria

1584
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:14,860
 and is compatible with the neighborhood.

1585
01:40:14,860 --> 01:40:16,120
 - Councilor?

1586
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:17,880
 - Thank you, no more questions right now, thanks.

1587
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:18,710
 - Thank you.

1588
01:40:18,710 --> 01:40:22,750
 for other Councillor Ferra, or what you're

1589
01:40:22,750 --> 01:40:22,850
 pointing.

1590
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:24,750
 Oh, Councillor Cudi.

1591
01:40:24,750 --> 01:40:25,570
 - Thank you, Chair and through.

1592
01:40:25,570 --> 01:40:26,810
 And I want to thank all the residents

1593
01:40:26,810 --> 01:40:27,980
 for coming today and speaking.

1594
01:40:27,980 --> 01:40:32,110
 And you know, very briefly, you're not speaking

1595
01:40:32,110 --> 01:40:33,950
 to deaf ears, we're listening to you

1596
01:40:33,950 --> 01:40:35,320
 and we hear everything you've said.

1597
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:37,400
 And Madam, the second speaker,

1598
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:39,480
 I want to reference something you said,

1599
01:40:39,480 --> 01:40:41,320
 that you remember that when that was a rural area

1600
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:41,420
,

1601
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:42,140
 and I do as well.

1602
01:40:42,140 --> 01:40:43,860
 I remember when they grew cattle up,

1603
01:40:43,860 --> 01:40:47,030
 they raised cattle up on that road.

1604
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:48,880
 But you know, Western was 5,000 people then,

1605
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:52,570
 and now it's 45,000 or 40,000, and we've grown.

1606
01:40:52,570 --> 01:40:56,680
 And I want to reference what the other gentleman

1607
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:57,220
 said earlier

1608
01:40:57,220 --> 01:41:01,890
 about students, and that students are

1609
01:41:01,890 --> 01:41:04,160
 disrespectful at times.

1610
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:06,740
 And they don't respect the community or their

1611
01:41:06,740 --> 01:41:08,010
 neighbors.

1612
01:41:08,010 --> 01:41:09,730
 And I have that in my neighborhood.

1613
01:41:09,730 --> 01:41:10,630
 I have that in Ward 3.

1614
01:41:10,630 --> 01:41:11,680
 I have Fanshawe.

1615
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:15,010
 Fanshawe College is my constituent.

1616
01:41:15,010 --> 01:41:18,420
 But that's for your Ward counselor to look after.

1617
01:41:18,420 --> 01:41:20,420
 And that's for our bylaw chief to look after.

1618
01:41:20,420 --> 01:41:23,490
 And Ms. Pfeiffer will look after that.

1619
01:41:23,490 --> 01:41:27,970
 And they will enforce by-law for parking and for

1620
01:41:27,970 --> 01:41:29,010
 noise.

1621
01:41:29,010 --> 01:41:32,960
 And it will not turn into another roughdale.

1622
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:36,230
 But we have to respect the fact that the city

1623
01:41:36,230 --> 01:41:37,010
 continues

1624
01:41:37,010 --> 01:41:39,940
 to grow at a rapid pace.

1625
01:41:39,940 --> 01:41:42,670
 And it's unfortunate that it's going into an area

1626
01:41:42,670 --> 01:41:44,800
 that you don't want it to go.

1627
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:48,640
 But respectfully, this looks like a nice growth.

1628
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:50,610
 My concern is the parking.

1629
01:41:50,610 --> 01:41:53,520
 But I think that can be controlled by by-law.

1630
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:55,670
 And I think it will be enforced.

1631
01:41:55,670 --> 01:41:58,510
 So I'll be supporting this.

1632
01:41:58,510 --> 01:41:59,310
 - Thank you.

1633
01:41:59,310 --> 01:42:02,420
 All in for other speakers, Councilor.

1634
01:42:02,420 --> 01:42:04,040
 - Thank you chair for recognizing me as a

1635
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:04,840
 visiting member

1636
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:06,930
 and not a voting member of the committee.

1637
01:42:06,930 --> 01:42:08,200
 So I won't take too much time.

1638
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:10,580
 I do have just one question on the traffic impact

1639
01:42:10,580 --> 01:42:10,810
 study

1640
01:42:10,810 --> 01:42:12,290
 that is not required in this.

1641
01:42:12,290 --> 01:42:15,770
 I understand that it is a development with 24

1642
01:42:15,770 --> 01:42:16,120
 units

1643
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:17,460
 and it doesn't meet the threshold for that.

1644
01:42:17,460 --> 01:42:19,650
 But at the same time, I do understand that wind

1645
01:42:19,650 --> 01:42:20,780
 and mirror

1646
01:42:20,780 --> 01:42:22,410
 is one of those main, I guess, corridors

1647
01:42:22,410 --> 01:42:24,220
 to the emergency department,

1648
01:42:24,220 --> 01:42:26,320
 the emergency room at University Hospital.

1649
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:29,270
 I just wanted to know, is it possible to have a

1650
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:31,310
 traffic impact study considering that,

1651
01:42:31,310 --> 01:42:34,180
 considering that this could lead to a little bit

1652
01:42:34,180 --> 01:42:36,860
 more congestion and could potentially, I guess,

1653
01:42:36,860 --> 01:42:39,740
 slow down any ambulances moving in or out of the

1654
01:42:39,740 --> 01:42:41,840
 emergency department.

1655
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:45,910
 I'll go stuff.

1656
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:48,080
 Thank you through the chair. Yeah, if council

1657
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:50,980
 wishes to include that as part of the direction

1658
01:42:50,980 --> 01:42:54,010
 or recommendation, that would be submitted as

1659
01:42:54,010 --> 01:42:56,890
 part of that future site plan application and

1660
01:42:56,890 --> 01:42:59,410
 reviewed as part of that.

1661
01:42:59,410 --> 01:43:02,500
 - Thank you, Councillor.

1662
01:43:02,500 --> 01:43:03,760
 - Thank you for that.

1663
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:06,000
 I'm not a member of the committee,

1664
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:06,820
 so I'm unable to do that,

1665
01:43:06,820 --> 01:43:10,460
 but I would ask the committee to consider

1666
01:43:10,460 --> 01:43:13,210
 a traffic impact study just because of that

1667
01:43:13,210 --> 01:43:15,180
 circumstance.

1668
01:43:15,180 --> 01:43:16,060
 - Thank you.

1669
01:43:16,060 --> 01:43:20,230
 I want further speakers.

1670
01:43:20,230 --> 01:43:22,470
 Councillor Trussa.

1671
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:25,610
 - Thank you very much.

1672
01:43:25,610 --> 01:43:27,760
 When I first looked at this application,

1673
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:31,920
 my initial response, I was wrong,

1674
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:33,900
 but my initial response was,

1675
01:43:33,900 --> 01:43:38,920
 this isn't so bad, to be worse.

1676
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:42,440
 And the more I delved into the reports,

1677
01:43:42,440 --> 01:43:44,350
 or more particularly the reports that weren't

1678
01:43:44,350 --> 01:43:44,620
 there

1679
01:43:44,620 --> 01:43:46,990
 that needed to be there in my view,

1680
01:43:46,990 --> 01:43:49,020
 the more I came to the conclusion

1681
01:43:49,020 --> 01:43:53,070
 that this is not a sustainable development,

1682
01:43:53,070 --> 01:43:56,490
 this is going to create a terrible impact

1683
01:43:56,490 --> 01:43:58,100
 on this neighborhood.

1684
01:43:58,100 --> 01:44:05,650
 But you know, beyond that, when I hear staff,

1685
01:44:05,650 --> 01:44:07,870
 say this is minor, so it doesn't need a traffic

1686
01:44:07,870 --> 01:44:10,070
 study,

1687
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:12,670
 I live in that area, and I go by that area all

1688
01:44:12,670 --> 01:44:13,010
 the time,

1689
01:44:13,010 --> 01:44:15,810
 and I worked at the University for 25 years.

1690
01:44:15,810 --> 01:44:20,990
 I know what that stretch of Windermere is like.

1691
01:44:20,990 --> 01:44:22,590
 And it's horrendous.

1692
01:44:22,590 --> 01:44:24,470
 It's already overcharged.

1693
01:44:24,470 --> 01:44:27,600
 It's already a dangerous situation.

1694
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,920
 Never mind the fact that there's a hospital there

1695
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:31,020
.

1696
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:32,510
 And I went through the report.

1697
01:44:32,510 --> 01:44:35,910
 I did not see anything about consulting

1698
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:38,170
 with the hospital or EMS services.

1699
01:44:38,170 --> 01:44:40,360
 It just wasn't there.

1700
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:42,060
 This takes me back to the controversy

1701
01:44:42,060 --> 01:44:44,900
 that we had with the Wonderland development

1702
01:44:44,900 --> 01:44:48,270
 at Bieber Brook, where you had like a EMS right

1703
01:44:48,270 --> 01:44:49,620
 in back,

1704
01:44:49,620 --> 01:44:50,910
 where they consulted?

1705
01:44:50,910 --> 01:44:54,060
 No, we gave out the notices to everybody.

1706
01:44:54,060 --> 01:44:57,110
 This is not acceptable.

1707
01:44:57,110 --> 01:45:00,780
 This is a public safety disaster waiting to

1708
01:45:00,780 --> 01:45:01,660
 happen.

1709
01:45:01,660 --> 01:45:03,440
 Now, let me ask something.

1710
01:45:03,440 --> 01:45:06,210
 When you've got these people on the subject

1711
01:45:06,210 --> 01:45:07,400
 property,

1712
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:09,890
 and they wanna make a left turn on to Windermere

1713
01:45:09,890 --> 01:45:12,820
 during rush hour, how are they gonna do that?

1714
01:45:12,820 --> 01:45:17,490
 Could you, could you help me with that?

1715
01:45:17,490 --> 01:45:18,320
 Thought my time.

1716
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:19,310
 - Counselor, is that a question for us?

1717
01:45:19,310 --> 01:45:20,380
 - Yes, it is a question.

1718
01:45:20,380 --> 01:45:22,040
 - How are they gonna make a left turn?

1719
01:45:22,040 --> 01:45:25,090
 - Yeah, how are they going to make a left turn

1720
01:45:25,090 --> 01:45:27,420
 going back towards Richmond?

1721
01:45:27,420 --> 01:45:37,470
 - I'll go to staff.

1722
01:45:37,470 --> 01:45:42,260
 - Is there not?

1723
01:45:42,260 --> 01:45:48,340
 - Major Microphone.

1724
01:45:48,340 --> 01:45:49,800
 - Thank you through the chair.

1725
01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:53,560
 Access locations and design will be reviewed

1726
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:55,770
 as part of that site plan application.

1727
01:45:55,770 --> 01:45:59,920
 Thank you.

1728
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:00,720
 - Well, thank you through the chair.

1729
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:03,030
 I find that a totally unacceptable answer

1730
01:46:03,030 --> 01:46:04,700
 because I think there should have been a traffic

1731
01:46:04,700 --> 01:46:05,380
 study.

1732
01:46:05,380 --> 01:46:07,840
 Now, what is the criteria that the traffic

1733
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:08,700
 division uses

1734
01:46:08,700 --> 01:46:10,910
 to determine if there needs to be a traffic study

1735
01:46:10,910 --> 01:46:11,120
?

1736
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:13,020
 Is it simply the number of units

1737
01:46:13,020 --> 01:46:16,700
 or our qualitative factors taken into account.

1738
01:46:16,700 --> 01:46:18,190
 - I'll go to staff.

1739
01:46:18,190 --> 01:46:21,500
 At what point is a traffic study initiated?

1740
01:46:21,500 --> 01:46:23,490
 - Thank you through the chair.

1741
01:46:23,490 --> 01:46:26,590
 Typically there's about six to seven criteria

1742
01:46:26,590 --> 01:46:31,420
 that needs to happen, but essentially it's the

1743
01:46:31,420 --> 01:46:32,040
 intensity

1744
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:34,690
 of the development, the location in proximity

1745
01:46:34,690 --> 01:46:36,430
 to major intersections.

1746
01:46:36,430 --> 01:46:41,770
 If there's turn lanes already within the cross

1747
01:46:41,770 --> 01:46:42,100
 section

1748
01:46:42,100 --> 01:46:43,890
 of the road, things of that nature.

1749
01:46:44,940 --> 01:46:48,160
 because this was 24 units.

1750
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:51,570
 In the location it was, transportation didn't

1751
01:46:51,570 --> 01:46:52,030
 feel

1752
01:46:52,030 --> 01:46:55,700
 it was needed, and I did want to remind everyone

1753
01:46:55,700 --> 01:46:59,390
 that we have a Ford Lane upgrade city project

1754
01:46:59,390 --> 01:47:02,730
 that's tentatively scheduled in 2028

1755
01:47:02,730 --> 01:47:06,210
 that will introduce more lanes,

1756
01:47:06,210 --> 01:47:09,160
 more storage for turn lanes and also bike lanes.

1757
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:11,210
 Thank you.

1758
01:47:11,210 --> 01:47:12,890
 - Is someone from transportation here

1759
01:47:12,890 --> 01:47:16,230
 so they can more fully address my questions?

1760
01:47:16,230 --> 01:47:22,050
 staff. Thank you through the chair. No, there's

1761
01:47:22,050 --> 01:47:24,520
 no transportation staff here at the moment.

1762
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:25,280
 Thanks,

1763
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:32,330
 Councillor. I'll move on. I'll just, I'll just

1764
01:47:32,330 --> 01:47:36,380
 move on to my next question. This is just not,

1765
01:47:36,380 --> 01:47:38,780
 this is not a project that I'll be voting for. I

1766
01:47:38,780 --> 01:47:40,430
 will be voting against this project,

1767
01:47:40,430 --> 01:47:43,230
 but I really think that if we're going to try to

1768
01:47:43,230 --> 01:47:48,360
 intensify the near, the near campus area,

1769
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:52,430
 which is an exercise in itself.

1770
01:47:52,430 --> 01:47:54,390
 I should say this is not in my ward,

1771
01:47:54,390 --> 01:47:59,250
 but it's like my ward in that this triangle

1772
01:47:59,250 --> 01:48:01,460
 is very much like the other parcels

1773
01:48:01,460 --> 01:48:02,930
 that are right around campus.

1774
01:48:02,930 --> 01:48:06,830
 I always think of the triangle as sort of like my

1775
01:48:06,830 --> 01:48:07,730
 ward.

1776
01:48:07,730 --> 01:48:09,480
 I think I've mentioned that to some of the

1777
01:48:09,480 --> 01:48:09,950
 residents,

1778
01:48:09,950 --> 01:48:13,570
 and I feel I have this very close affinity

1779
01:48:13,570 --> 01:48:15,270
 with the people in the triangle,

1780
01:48:15,270 --> 01:48:17,580
 because it's very much like people in my ward

1781
01:48:17,580 --> 01:48:20,570
 in terms of the kinds of challenges that they're

1782
01:48:20,570 --> 01:48:22,120
 facing.

1783
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:25,440
 Now, if we approve this development,

1784
01:48:25,440 --> 01:48:29,530
 given the scant record that we have, no, oh, I

1785
01:48:29,530 --> 01:48:30,090
 should ask,

1786
01:48:30,090 --> 01:48:33,850
 was there any consultation with the hospital or

1787
01:48:33,850 --> 01:48:34,400
 EMS

1788
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:37,190
 about this project?

1789
01:48:37,190 --> 01:48:38,700
 - Council, I believe that's been asked,

1790
01:48:38,700 --> 01:48:40,130
 but I'll go to the staff anyway for a

1791
01:48:40,130 --> 01:48:41,770
 conversation.

1792
01:48:41,770 --> 01:48:43,100
 - Thank you, and through the chair,

1793
01:48:43,100 --> 01:48:45,930
 as part of the circulation, Western University

1794
01:48:45,930 --> 01:48:46,720
 was notified

1795
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:48,980
 and no response was received.

1796
01:48:48,980 --> 01:48:53,830
 - So Western University, as the large university,

1797
01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:57,420
 was notified, but not the individual entities

1798
01:48:57,420 --> 01:49:00,930
 and not the hospital, is that correct?

1799
01:49:00,930 --> 01:49:09,260
 - Go staff, through the chair,

1800
01:49:09,260 --> 01:49:12,510
 the university hospital was within 120 meters

1801
01:49:12,510 --> 01:49:14,810
 of the subject lens and were notified

1802
01:49:14,810 --> 01:49:17,050
 and no response was received.

1803
01:49:17,050 --> 01:49:19,590
 - Did the notice go to the hospital administrator

1804
01:49:19,590 --> 01:49:23,270
 or did it go to the university at 1151 Western

1805
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:23,840
 Road

1806
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:25,620
 or 1151 Richmond?

1807
01:49:25,620 --> 01:49:28,300
 - Go to the south address.

1808
01:49:28,300 --> 01:49:30,560
 - Through the chair, it went to the London Health

1809
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:34,050
 Science Center.

1810
01:49:34,050 --> 01:49:37,510
 - I think that we need to do better.

1811
01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:39,290
 I think that we need to do better in terms of

1812
01:49:39,290 --> 01:49:42,470
 triggering traffic studies when you could

1813
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:45,640
 talk to anybody that lives there or that anybody

1814
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:48,520
 who tries to leave the campus, not

1815
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:51,830
 just during rush hour, but pretty much all the

1816
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:52,800
 time.

1817
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:54,430
 And it's just not passable.

1818
01:49:54,430 --> 01:49:56,600
 It's just not passable.

1819
01:49:56,600 --> 01:50:00,410
 So as somebody who worked at the university and

1820
01:50:00,410 --> 01:50:05,440
 who uses that area a lot, I'm just flabbergasted,

1821
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:09,740
 flabbergasted, that we did not do a traffic study

1822
01:50:09,740 --> 01:50:10,170
.

1823
01:50:10,170 --> 01:50:14,770
 And I think that putting everything else aside,

1824
01:50:14,770 --> 01:50:19,460
 is there time on the--I know the clock is running

1825
01:50:19,460 --> 01:50:21,050
 on these applications.

1826
01:50:21,050 --> 01:50:23,330
 Is there time to refer this back for a traffic

1827
01:50:23,330 --> 01:50:25,450
 study or is that going to take us outside

1828
01:50:25,450 --> 01:50:26,440
 the statutory period?

1829
01:50:26,440 --> 01:50:33,540
 >> I'll go to staff.

1830
01:50:33,540 --> 01:50:34,520
 Thank you and true to chair.

1831
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:37,280
 We can provide the information on when exactly

1832
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:39,450
 the 120 days' goods ends.

1833
01:50:39,450 --> 01:50:42,510
 But this application is going to counsel in a few

1834
01:50:42,510 --> 01:50:43,140
 weeks.

1835
01:50:43,140 --> 01:50:45,900
 So I think we'll be challenging to get a traffic

1836
01:50:45,900 --> 01:50:46,400
 study done

1837
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:47,470
 before that time.

1838
01:50:47,470 --> 01:50:51,590
 Instead, a traffic study update could also

1839
01:50:51,590 --> 01:50:53,730
 be provided as part of a future site plan

1840
01:50:53,730 --> 01:50:55,330
 application.

1841
01:50:55,330 --> 01:50:57,640
 Yes, I understand that there's a big difference

1842
01:50:57,640 --> 01:50:59,530
 between doing one after the fact, after there's

1843
01:50:59,530 --> 01:51:02,920
 been approval as part of a non-mandatory site

1844
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:03,600
 plan.

1845
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:05,850
 And on the other hand, doing it as a traffic

1846
01:51:05,850 --> 01:51:06,600
 study

1847
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:09,390
 before the application is complete.

1848
01:51:09,390 --> 01:51:12,550
 And I'm going to be asking, I can't make a motion

1849
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:13,240
 here.

1850
01:51:13,240 --> 01:51:16,210
 I would ask someone on the committee to defer

1851
01:51:16,210 --> 01:51:16,950
 this.

1852
01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:19,160
 I'm sorry to refer it back to staff

1853
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:23,730
 for a targeted focused traffic study

1854
01:51:23,730 --> 01:51:27,710
 that is limited to the area between Richmond

1855
01:51:27,710 --> 01:51:31,270
 and the hospital.

1856
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:33,120
 I don't wanna area-wide traffic study,

1857
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:36,140
 but this needs to be looked at.

1858
01:51:36,140 --> 01:51:39,100
 And my sense is if there's nobody on this

1859
01:51:39,100 --> 01:51:39,490
 committee

1860
01:51:39,490 --> 01:51:40,590
 that's going to do that,

1861
01:51:40,590 --> 01:51:44,290
 I will certainly raise it at council.

1862
01:51:44,290 --> 01:51:49,110
 So I think I've set out my objections.

1863
01:51:49,110 --> 01:51:52,370
 I think that this is an accident waiting to

1864
01:51:52,370 --> 01:51:53,290
 happen.

1865
01:51:53,290 --> 01:51:56,460
 I know that people are in a critical situation

1866
01:51:56,460 --> 01:51:59,090
 when they're in the last few minutes

1867
01:51:59,090 --> 01:52:01,300
 before they get to University Hospital.

1868
01:52:01,300 --> 01:52:03,480
 I've known too many people

1869
01:52:03,480 --> 01:52:06,580
 who were in life and death situations

1870
01:52:06,580 --> 01:52:07,780
 on their way to the University

1871
01:52:07,780 --> 01:52:10,260
 and to hear that there's not been a traffic study

1872
01:52:10,260 --> 01:52:10,620
 here,

1873
01:52:10,620 --> 01:52:13,240
 even a very, very targeted one.

1874
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:15,270
 And to hear, well, we gave notice

1875
01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:17,830
 that we normally give under the Planning Act.

1876
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:21,490
 It's just, it's so insensitive to the actual

1877
01:52:21,490 --> 01:52:22,820
 reality

1878
01:52:22,820 --> 01:52:26,120
 of what people who are using this area have to

1879
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:27,110
 deal with.

1880
01:52:27,110 --> 01:52:29,680
 And it's just, I find it, I find it appalling.

1881
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:32,430
 I will be opposing this, and I hope I'll be able

1882
01:52:32,430 --> 01:52:34,470
 to convince some of my other colleagues,

1883
01:52:34,470 --> 01:52:38,240
 especially those who have some familiarity

1884
01:52:38,240 --> 01:52:40,410
 with the university, particularly the northern

1885
01:52:40,410 --> 01:52:40,580
 part

1886
01:52:40,580 --> 01:52:44,070
 of the university, to show some sensitivity

1887
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:46,470
 to the people in this neighborhood

1888
01:52:46,470 --> 01:52:49,250
 and the people that are using the hospital.

1889
01:52:49,250 --> 01:52:50,870
 And I think I've said what I have to say,

1890
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:53,120
 so I'm just gonna stop it.

1891
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:53,920
 Thank you.

1892
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:57,790
 Thank you, Mr. Raman.

1893
01:52:57,790 --> 01:52:59,410
 - Thank you and through you, Chair.

1894
01:52:59,410 --> 01:53:02,220
 I just wanted first to thank the delegations

1895
01:53:02,220 --> 01:53:04,870
 and those that wrote in and emailed in on this

1896
01:53:04,870 --> 01:53:05,630
 matter.

1897
01:53:05,630 --> 01:53:09,810
 I represent Ward 7, so I'm on the boundary

1898
01:53:09,810 --> 01:53:13,000
 of this ward in the Triangle

1899
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:14,750
 and get a lot of communication,

1900
01:53:14,750 --> 01:53:16,550
 have lots of friends in the area as well,

1901
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:20,020
 so I have heard quite a bit about this

1902
01:53:20,020 --> 01:53:20,690
 development

1903
01:53:20,690 --> 01:53:22,010
 as things have proceeded,

1904
01:53:22,010 --> 01:53:24,690
 including when the trees came down on the

1905
01:53:24,690 --> 01:53:25,320
 property.

1906
01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:27,550
 So I'm glad to hear that that was resolved.

1907
01:53:27,550 --> 01:53:31,300
 And I know Councilor Perble has worked very hard

1908
01:53:31,300 --> 01:53:34,110
 to listen to the community and to hear the

1909
01:53:34,110 --> 01:53:35,050
 feedback

1910
01:53:35,050 --> 01:53:36,530
 and submit questions.

1911
01:53:36,530 --> 01:53:38,720
 So I wanna thank Councilor for that as well.

1912
01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:43,450
 This application I would concur.

1913
01:53:43,450 --> 01:53:45,680
 I would like to see a traffic study

1914
01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:49,280
 and if it could be done before the application is

1915
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:50,150
 approved

1916
01:53:50,150 --> 01:53:52,580
 versus during the site plan process.

1917
01:53:52,580 --> 01:53:54,880
 I do think it would be helpful for the community

1918
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:57,070
 to belay the concerns and the fears.

1919
01:53:57,070 --> 01:54:01,750
 When I talk to residents in my ward,

1920
01:54:01,750 --> 01:54:04,370
 they have particular concern of getting

1921
01:54:04,370 --> 01:54:07,040
 to university hospital in time.

1922
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:09,540
 If they were to have a health matter

1923
01:54:09,540 --> 01:54:12,490
 that needed them to get there fast.

1924
01:54:12,490 --> 01:54:16,310
 And one of the challenges is that we do not have

1925
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:19,730
 adequate connection points into the hospital

1926
01:54:19,730 --> 01:54:22,010
 from the northwest part of the city.

1927
01:54:22,010 --> 01:54:26,200
 And so you're rerouting yourselves around,

1928
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:28,750
 sarn your road, or you're rerouting yourselves

1929
01:54:28,750 --> 01:54:33,660
 down into where this traffic is already hectic.

1930
01:54:33,660 --> 01:54:36,190
 And 30 minutes, as stated in some of these

1931
01:54:36,190 --> 01:54:36,580
 letters,

1932
01:54:36,580 --> 01:54:39,010
 I would say, is an undersell at times,

1933
01:54:39,010 --> 01:54:40,490
 especially during the winter.

1934
01:54:40,490 --> 01:54:45,390
 I've seen people in stopped traffic for 45

1935
01:54:45,390 --> 01:54:45,880
 minutes

1936
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:47,590
 plus in this area.

1937
01:54:47,590 --> 01:54:49,390
 I'm there all the time.

1938
01:54:49,390 --> 01:54:51,780
 and I know how challenging it can be.

1939
01:54:51,780 --> 01:54:54,140
 And I am concerned that even though when we are

1940
01:54:54,140 --> 01:54:54,700
 engaging

1941
01:54:54,700 --> 01:54:59,690
 with the hospital, that these matters are not

1942
01:54:59,690 --> 01:55:03,040
 perhaps taken to the level that they should,

1943
01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:06,940
 not saying by our staff, but also by the hospital

1944
01:55:06,940 --> 01:55:07,040
,

1945
01:55:06,940 --> 01:55:09,620
 we used to have a process where the hospital

1946
01:55:09,620 --> 01:55:14,620
 would actually give us timing to the community

1947
01:55:14,620 --> 01:55:19,340
 around how long it anticipated ambulance times

1948
01:55:19,340 --> 01:55:22,270
 to be in different segments of the city.

1949
01:55:22,270 --> 01:55:24,830
 I'm not sure when that changed,

1950
01:55:24,830 --> 01:55:27,440
 but we need that information and we need it

1951
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:30,080
 to be available when we are making these kinds of

1952
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:30,800
 decisions.

1953
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:34,870
 And I know that we can't necessarily hold up an

1954
01:55:34,870 --> 01:55:35,850
 application

1955
01:55:35,850 --> 01:55:40,240
 because of the fact that we don't have the time

1956
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:40,840
 associated

1957
01:55:40,840 --> 01:55:44,060
 with getting from a particular address to the

1958
01:55:44,060 --> 01:55:45,060
 hospital.

1959
01:55:45,060 --> 01:55:48,090
 But I do think that as we think about a whole

1960
01:55:48,090 --> 01:55:48,650
 community

1961
01:55:48,650 --> 01:55:52,270
 approach, we have to think about these matters.

1962
01:55:52,270 --> 01:55:54,550
 I heard it at people's doorsteps when they were

1963
01:55:54,550 --> 01:55:58,150
 talking to me about their real fears

1964
01:55:58,150 --> 01:56:01,650
 and concerns about being in a place in their

1965
01:56:01,650 --> 01:56:04,920
 lives where they wanted to make sure that

1966
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:07,510
 they had the ability to get there safely.

1967
01:56:07,510 --> 01:56:10,570
 So I do think that this is a matter worth raising

1968
01:56:10,570 --> 01:56:13,340
, and I hope that a member of the committee

1969
01:56:13,340 --> 01:56:17,410
 will make the amendment here so that it can move

1970
01:56:17,410 --> 01:56:18,380
 forward.

1971
01:56:18,380 --> 01:56:22,430
 I'd also like to better understand the timing

1972
01:56:22,430 --> 01:56:24,960
 of the road reconstruction in the area

1973
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:28,560
 and how that will be considered around the site

1974
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:28,880
 plan

1975
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:31,550
 and some of the considerations with the design.

1976
01:56:31,550 --> 01:56:33,900
 And I understand that that's more of a traffic

1977
01:56:33,900 --> 01:56:34,390
 question.

1978
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:36,550
 I really appreciate our planning staff

1979
01:56:36,550 --> 01:56:39,380
 answering those questions that they have so far,

1980
01:56:39,380 --> 01:56:42,140
 but I also think it speaks to the need for more

1981
01:56:42,140 --> 01:56:42,930
 integration

1982
01:56:42,930 --> 01:56:45,490
 and more discussion in these meetings

1983
01:56:45,490 --> 01:56:47,810
 around how we're moving around the city.

1984
01:56:47,810 --> 01:56:49,800
 Yes, we have the mobility master plan

1985
01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:52,120
 and we know what's envisioned in the plan,

1986
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:54,820
 but aligning those thought processes around our

1987
01:56:54,820 --> 01:56:55,350
 planning

1988
01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:57,670
 and our traffic I think is important

1989
01:56:57,670 --> 01:57:00,160
 and that's a whole other topic and I won't go off

1990
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:00,730
 topic.

1991
01:57:00,730 --> 01:57:02,330
 To the residents that are here,

1992
01:57:02,330 --> 01:57:05,440
 just wanted again to say thank you for the

1993
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:05,990
 feedback.

1994
01:57:05,990 --> 01:57:07,980
 I hear you on the tree removal.

1995
01:57:07,980 --> 01:57:10,330
 It is a lot of trees in an area that's lost.

1996
01:57:10,330 --> 01:57:12,210
 A lot of tree canopy cover because of

1997
01:57:12,210 --> 01:57:12,920
 construction,

1998
01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:16,630
 because of road reconstruction in the area.

1999
01:57:16,630 --> 01:57:18,700
 So absolutely a concern.

2000
01:57:18,700 --> 01:57:21,950
 And again, thank you for bringing up the sensit

2001
01:57:21,950 --> 01:57:22,320
ivities

2002
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:25,030
 of the Medway Creek in this discussion as well.

2003
01:57:25,030 --> 01:57:25,940
 Thank you.

2004
01:57:25,940 --> 01:57:29,110
 - All right, Councilor Pribble.

2005
01:57:29,110 --> 01:57:31,420
 - Thank you, sir, to check the staff.

2006
01:57:31,420 --> 01:57:33,400
 When it was discussion about the hospital

2007
01:57:33,400 --> 01:57:36,700
 that the LHSV forwarded, there was no objection.

2008
01:57:36,700 --> 01:57:38,850
 Did we actually, was there any response from the

2009
01:57:38,850 --> 01:57:39,120
 medall

2010
01:57:39,120 --> 01:57:40,550
 or there was actually a response

2011
01:57:40,550 --> 01:57:44,390
 since stating there's no objection, no good staff

2012
01:57:44,390 --> 01:57:45,730
?

2013
01:57:45,730 --> 01:57:46,720
 - Thank you and through the chair,

2014
01:57:46,720 --> 01:57:50,150
 no response was received, Councilor.

2015
01:57:50,150 --> 01:57:53,010
 I'm sorry, I can hear that.

2016
01:57:53,010 --> 01:57:56,580
 - No response was received from the hospital.

2017
01:57:56,580 --> 01:57:57,760
 - Okay, thank you for that.

2018
01:57:57,760 --> 01:58:00,760
 My issue is, again, we all know that

2019
01:58:00,760 --> 01:58:03,060
 or I think most of us know this area.

2020
01:58:03,060 --> 01:58:05,190
 And I have to state and I will just address it

2021
01:58:05,190 --> 01:58:07,130
 with the transportation staff.

2022
01:58:07,130 --> 01:58:10,670
 Actually our huge issue, already existing one,

2023
01:58:10,670 --> 01:58:14,130
 is actually with the lights at Sunnyside and

2024
01:58:14,130 --> 01:58:14,860
 Richmond.

2025
01:58:14,860 --> 01:58:15,930
 Because what's happening now,

2026
01:58:15,930 --> 01:58:17,970
 and I spent a lot of times in this triangle on

2027
01:58:17,970 --> 01:58:19,080
 the traffic.

2028
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:22,040
 During the busy times, individuals driving on

2029
01:58:22,040 --> 01:58:22,940
 Richmond,

2030
01:58:22,940 --> 01:58:24,710
 they actually, there are two lights at Western

2031
01:58:24,710 --> 01:58:27,040
 and Sunnyside.

2032
01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:29,460
 And what happens is, Western actually has much

2033
01:58:29,460 --> 01:58:30,690
 more time

2034
01:58:30,690 --> 01:58:33,460
 to turn, and they flop that lane,

2035
01:58:33,460 --> 01:58:36,320
 and therefore, Richmond keeps standing.

2036
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:39,100
 What happens is that Richmond, the drivers,

2037
01:58:39,100 --> 01:58:40,660
 they already figured this out.

2038
01:58:40,660 --> 01:58:42,970
 They cut through Windermere, and then turn right

2039
01:58:42,970 --> 01:58:43,480
 on Western,

2040
01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:45,780
 because actually, it's faster than stay at

2041
01:58:45,780 --> 01:58:46,540
 Richmond.

2042
01:58:46,540 --> 01:58:48,290
 And I know this would be--

2043
01:58:48,290 --> 01:58:50,620
 I'm saying actually existing situation that we

2044
01:58:50,620 --> 01:58:51,400
 have there,

2045
01:58:51,400 --> 01:58:52,750
 and we really need to figure it out.

2046
01:58:52,750 --> 01:58:55,800
 Doesn't matter if there's additional infills,

2047
01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:56,350
 developments,

2048
01:58:56,350 --> 01:58:57,190
 or not.

2049
01:58:57,190 --> 01:59:00,500
 And if our transportation, if anyone stays there

2050
01:59:00,500 --> 01:59:02,690
 and watches it, that's really honestly what's

2051
01:59:02,690 --> 01:59:03,090
 happening,

2052
01:59:03,090 --> 01:59:04,600
 and we have to figure it out.

2053
01:59:04,600 --> 01:59:05,880
 It's very challenging.

2054
01:59:05,880 --> 01:59:08,070
 It's a triangle, very busy, but there

2055
01:59:08,070 --> 01:59:10,430
 could be an improvement already now.

2056
01:59:10,430 --> 01:59:12,260
 And as I said, in this part, when

2057
01:59:12,260 --> 01:59:14,700
 the individuals from this era are speaking,

2058
01:59:14,700 --> 01:59:16,710
 If they spend the time, they'll see again

2059
01:59:16,710 --> 01:59:19,180
 from Richmond turning left on to Windermere

2060
01:59:19,180 --> 01:59:21,370
 and right on Western because it's fasted and

2061
01:59:21,370 --> 01:59:22,690
 staying on.

2062
01:59:22,690 --> 01:59:24,370
 I do think that the traffic study

2063
01:59:24,370 --> 01:59:26,600
 is really truly needed here.

2064
01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:31,310
 I know I will be meeting with the residents next

2065
01:59:31,310 --> 01:59:31,640
 week

2066
01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:33,350
 because potentially those are the things

2067
01:59:33,350 --> 01:59:35,300
 or certain amendments that I can propose

2068
01:59:35,300 --> 01:59:37,330
 at the Council, not at this committee,

2069
01:59:37,330 --> 01:59:40,960
 but I really do think the traffic study is needed

2070
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:41,380
 here.

2071
01:59:41,380 --> 01:59:45,600
 And again, traffic study including the timing

2072
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:50,510
 of the proposed widening of this road to four

2073
01:59:50,510 --> 01:59:50,650
 lanes.

2074
01:59:50,650 --> 01:59:53,200
 I really think you have to look at the full

2075
01:59:53,200 --> 01:59:54,220
 picture here

2076
01:59:54,220 --> 01:59:58,120
 and potentially if, again, it doesn't matter

2077
01:59:58,120 --> 02:00:01,270
 if there is one or zero or more developments,

2078
02:00:01,270 --> 02:00:04,530
 but to really have a clear vision on this area.

2079
02:00:04,530 --> 02:00:06,280
 So we don't potentially do one thing

2080
02:00:06,280 --> 02:00:08,590
 and then we realize it's not coming up together

2081
02:00:08,590 --> 02:00:10,540
 and the timing is not coming together.

2082
02:00:10,540 --> 02:00:12,380
 So I really think that I certainly

2083
02:00:12,380 --> 02:00:16,560
 would support the traffic study in this case.

2084
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:18,860
 I do realize that if you look at the number of

2085
02:00:18,860 --> 02:00:19,350
 units

2086
02:00:19,350 --> 02:00:22,770
 or it was really stated about the density

2087
02:00:22,770 --> 02:00:25,430
 that could be even higher, taller, I do

2088
02:00:25,430 --> 02:00:26,860
 understand that.

2089
02:00:26,860 --> 02:00:28,740
 But on the other hand, this is what's in front of

2090
02:00:28,740 --> 02:00:28,880
 us

2091
02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:31,110
 and I really wanna make sure we do our homework

2092
02:00:31,110 --> 02:00:32,910
 and everything properly done.

2093
02:00:32,910 --> 02:00:34,860
 So I'll leave it with this committee

2094
02:00:34,860 --> 02:00:38,250
 but I don't have any more comments right now.

2095
02:00:38,250 --> 02:00:40,440
 Thank you.

2096
02:00:40,440 --> 02:00:42,600
 - I'll go in the mayor.

2097
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:43,960
 - Yeah, so I'll make a few comments.

2098
02:00:43,960 --> 02:00:46,710
 First off, I appreciate the discussion.

2099
02:00:46,710 --> 02:00:49,940
 And I'll first say, like, I support with my votes

2100
02:00:49,940 --> 02:00:50,040
,

2101
02:00:49,940 --> 02:00:51,290
 a lot of density across the city

2102
02:00:51,290 --> 02:00:53,170
 and in a lot of different areas.

2103
02:00:53,170 --> 02:00:55,080
 I know this area pretty well as well,

2104
02:00:55,080 --> 02:00:57,510
 and I appreciate some of the thoughtful comments

2105
02:00:57,510 --> 02:01:00,380
 that have been given by community members.

2106
02:01:00,380 --> 02:01:03,650
 You know, I tend to concur with the need

2107
02:01:03,650 --> 02:01:05,520
 for a traffic study here.

2108
02:01:05,520 --> 02:01:07,750
 Again, knowing this area well, you know,

2109
02:01:07,750 --> 02:01:10,270
 I think there's a lot of,

2110
02:01:10,270 --> 02:01:13,220
 There's gonna be a lot of car-based density

2111
02:01:13,220 --> 02:01:15,370
 put into this particular development.

2112
02:01:15,370 --> 02:01:18,120
 I recognize what, and I fully support

2113
02:01:18,120 --> 02:01:20,110
 why our staff would land at the conclusion they

2114
02:01:20,110 --> 02:01:20,270
 did,

2115
02:01:20,270 --> 02:01:21,910
 given the Prandtl policy statements

2116
02:01:21,910 --> 02:01:24,260
 and some of the components of that.

2117
02:01:24,260 --> 02:01:27,200
 But student rentals are very different,

2118
02:01:27,200 --> 02:01:30,740
 and looking at the type of units that the

2119
02:01:30,740 --> 02:01:32,180
 developer produces,

2120
02:01:32,180 --> 02:01:34,700
 these are going to be people who probably afford

2121
02:01:34,700 --> 02:01:37,130
 and do have cars, and they're probably gonna try

2122
02:01:37,130 --> 02:01:39,700
 to, it's very nice music.

2123
02:01:39,700 --> 02:01:42,710
 they're probably going to try to navigate

2124
02:01:42,710 --> 02:01:44,340
 three right turns, right, through the

2125
02:01:44,340 --> 02:01:44,660
 neighborhood.

2126
02:01:44,660 --> 02:01:47,010
 So they're not gonna turn left to the councilor's

2127
02:01:47,010 --> 02:01:47,360
 comment

2128
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:49,250
 on wind and mirror, they're gonna turn on to

2129
02:01:49,250 --> 02:01:49,710
 Canterbury,

2130
02:01:49,710 --> 02:01:51,220
 they're gonna turn on to West Chester,

2131
02:01:51,220 --> 02:01:52,090
 they're gonna turn on to Richmond,

2132
02:01:52,090 --> 02:01:54,560
 they're gonna drive that traffic through the

2133
02:01:54,560 --> 02:01:55,400
 neighborhood.

2134
02:01:55,400 --> 02:01:58,300
 And although I do recognize that wind and mirror

2135
02:01:58,300 --> 02:02:03,090
 is a street that likely will densify at some

2136
02:02:03,090 --> 02:02:03,850
 point,

2137
02:02:03,850 --> 02:02:05,370
 there are some impacts here that I think

2138
02:02:05,370 --> 02:02:06,600
 we need to be conscious of.

2139
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:08,780
 So I'll be honest, I'm not supportive of the

2140
02:02:08,780 --> 02:02:09,280
 application

2141
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:11,310
 in its current form at the time.

2142
02:02:11,310 --> 02:02:12,900
 I hear colleagues saying,

2143
02:02:12,900 --> 02:02:15,080
 I hope the committee members refer back for

2144
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:15,620
 traffic study.

2145
02:02:15,620 --> 02:02:18,050
 I think having that traffic study before

2146
02:02:18,050 --> 02:02:20,880
 we make a decision is appropriate in this case

2147
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:22,470
 and not at the site plan stage.

2148
02:02:22,470 --> 02:02:24,710
 I know that will put us in a difficult spot

2149
02:02:24,710 --> 02:02:26,260
 on timelines potentially,

2150
02:02:26,260 --> 02:02:29,450
 but I think that that's a very reasonable ask

2151
02:02:29,450 --> 02:02:30,970
 to see what this actually looks like,

2152
02:02:30,970 --> 02:02:34,280
 because again, this is going to be a fairly

2153
02:02:34,280 --> 02:02:35,170
 unique

2154
02:02:35,170 --> 02:02:36,520
 piece of density in this.

2155
02:02:36,520 --> 02:02:37,790
 If this is something that happens

2156
02:02:37,790 --> 02:02:39,970
 is going to be replicated, you know, we actually

2157
02:02:39,970 --> 02:02:42,010
 really have to understand the way the traffic

2158
02:02:42,010 --> 02:02:44,030
 flows around this particular neighborhood because

2159
02:02:44,030 --> 02:02:45,760
 this is the intersection of major streets

2160
02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:49,670
 with, you know, over 10,000 cars each around the

2161
02:02:49,670 --> 02:02:52,350
 triangle and then very low density within

2162
02:02:52,350 --> 02:02:56,100
 it. And there is a great imbalance here between,

2163
02:02:56,100 --> 02:02:58,330
 you know, the way the traffic moves around

2164
02:02:58,330 --> 02:03:01,540
 and we could we could fairly potentially impact

2165
02:03:01,540 --> 02:03:04,220
 that if we're not careful here. And so what

2166
02:03:04,220 --> 02:03:06,530
 And what I don't want to see is, you know,

2167
02:03:06,530 --> 02:03:09,220
 thousands of cars going through Canterbury

2168
02:03:09,220 --> 02:03:12,560
 and Westchester Drive, you know, when we have

2169
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:14,400
 three major thoroughfarers that they should

2170
02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:15,370
 be going on.

2171
02:03:15,370 --> 02:03:17,800
 But I just -- I see that the people who are going

2172
02:03:17,800 --> 02:03:19,810
 to try to turn out of this space during

2173
02:03:19,810 --> 02:03:22,150
 significant portions of the day are going to be

2174
02:03:22,150 --> 02:03:24,220
 making multiple right-hand turns to get

2175
02:03:24,220 --> 02:03:26,880
 out of there, not the left-hand turn that is

2176
02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:29,220
 allowable but probably not feasible.

2177
02:03:29,220 --> 02:03:32,590
 So I'll support and I'll move a referral back to

2178
02:03:32,590 --> 02:03:36,790
 staff to discuss or to conduct a traffic

2179
02:03:36,790 --> 02:03:40,650
 study or ask for a traffic study to be conducted.

2180
02:03:40,650 --> 02:03:42,910
 And I would invite any conversations on the

2181
02:03:42,910 --> 02:03:45,420
 applicant lowering the density in this area

2182
02:03:45,420 --> 02:03:46,410
 too.

2183
02:03:46,410 --> 02:03:47,680
 I know it's not necessarily required but if you

2184
02:03:47,680 --> 02:03:49,040
're going to talk to them anyways, I think

2185
02:03:49,040 --> 02:03:52,240
 what I hear from residents too is this is a lot

2186
02:03:52,240 --> 02:03:56,070
 of density and a lot of cars in one spot.

2187
02:03:56,070 --> 02:03:58,260
 This applicant, when I look at their portfolio,

2188
02:03:58,260 --> 02:03:59,790
 builds all sorts of things of all sorts of

2189
02:03:59,790 --> 02:04:00,780
 different densities.

2190
02:04:00,780 --> 02:04:02,350
 Maybe there's another product they have that fits

2191
02:04:02,350 --> 02:04:02,900
 here better.

2192
02:04:02,900 --> 02:04:05,810
 So I would invite that conversation as well,

2193
02:04:05,810 --> 02:04:08,730
 although it may not be necessary or under

2194
02:04:08,730 --> 02:04:11,260
 the zoning permissions, I think it's worth the

2195
02:04:11,260 --> 02:04:13,510
 conversation on that, but certainly the

2196
02:04:13,510 --> 02:04:14,500
 traffic study.

2197
02:04:14,500 --> 02:04:15,460
 So I'm sorry I didn't give you that language

2198
02:04:15,460 --> 02:04:15,970
 ahead of time.

2199
02:04:15,970 --> 02:04:18,510
 I'm doing it based on comments from the gallery

2200
02:04:18,510 --> 02:04:20,860
 and our colleagues on the committee and not

2201
02:04:20,860 --> 02:04:23,030
 on the committee, but I'm happy to move that

2202
02:04:23,030 --> 02:04:24,840
 referral with those two reasons.

2203
02:04:24,840 --> 02:04:29,370
 - Okay, so we've got a motion for a seconder.

2204
02:04:29,370 --> 02:04:32,230
 Councillor, Councillor, you seconded.

2205
02:04:32,230 --> 02:04:33,440
 - I'll second it.

2206
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:35,650
 - Okay, so we have the referral on the floor.

2207
02:04:35,650 --> 02:04:38,770
 So I'll look for comments.

2208
02:04:38,770 --> 02:04:40,400
 Mayor, do you want to speak again to that?

2209
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:41,720
 Are those on the floor?

2210
02:04:41,720 --> 02:04:43,350
 - I think I'm going to ask for clarification

2211
02:04:43,350 --> 02:04:44,780
 for the clerk on what I said.

2212
02:04:44,780 --> 02:04:45,820
 So I don't have the language,

2213
02:04:45,820 --> 02:04:47,530
 but I actually think it's worth a conversation

2214
02:04:47,530 --> 02:04:48,370
 on the density too.

2215
02:04:48,370 --> 02:04:49,680
 Again, they may not have an interest

2216
02:04:49,680 --> 02:04:50,720
 in lowering the density,

2217
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:51,850
 but if we're going to talk about a traffic

2218
02:04:51,850 --> 02:04:52,230
 setting,

2219
02:04:52,230 --> 02:04:54,420
 have the time for that before we make a decision.

2220
02:04:54,420 --> 02:04:56,890
 Again, it's a developer with multiple products.

2221
02:04:56,890 --> 02:04:59,240
 there might be something else that works here

2222
02:04:59,240 --> 02:05:02,010
 because we may get the traffic study back.

2223
02:05:02,010 --> 02:05:03,390
 They may want to see that

2224
02:05:03,390 --> 02:05:05,000
 and then make adjustments to the density as well.

2225
02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:07,330
 I would roll that into the conversation.

2226
02:05:07,330 --> 02:05:08,870
 Certainly we can't require that,

2227
02:05:08,870 --> 02:05:10,690
 but I think it's worth the conversation with our

2228
02:05:10,690 --> 02:05:11,660
 staff.

2229
02:05:11,660 --> 02:05:12,480
 - Thank you.

2230
02:05:12,480 --> 02:05:13,890
 I'll look for other comments or questions

2231
02:05:13,890 --> 02:05:16,430
 from committee or visiting counselors.

2232
02:05:16,430 --> 02:05:17,840
 Councilor Oman.

2233
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:19,850
 - Thank you and through you.

2234
02:05:19,850 --> 02:05:21,860
 I'm just wondering if it's possible

2235
02:05:21,860 --> 02:05:24,580
 to work into the referral conversation with the

2236
02:05:24,580 --> 02:05:27,490
 hospital.

2237
02:05:27,490 --> 02:05:28,740
 - I'm happy to add that.

2238
02:05:28,740 --> 02:05:37,890
 - Okay, well a friendly moment there.

2239
02:05:37,890 --> 02:05:39,630
 So we're just working up the motion on these sc

2240
02:05:39,630 --> 02:05:39,820
ribes

2241
02:05:39,820 --> 02:05:59,940
 so we can all take a peek.

2242
02:05:59,940 --> 02:06:01,520
 Okay, it should be up on these scribe.

2243
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:31,810
 We'll take a look.

2244
02:06:31,810 --> 02:06:33,320
 How's that look?

2245
02:06:33,320 --> 02:06:34,110
 - That's fine.

2246
02:06:34,110 --> 02:06:36,040
 I would just ask our staff to have a conversation

2247
02:06:36,040 --> 02:06:36,900
 about density too.

2248
02:06:36,900 --> 02:06:40,000
 I know it's not actually in the motion,

2249
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:41,960
 but if they can commit to that.

2250
02:06:41,960 --> 02:06:46,030
 - Yeah, I'll go to staff and is that clear for a

2251
02:06:46,030 --> 02:06:46,180
 clear

2252
02:06:46,180 --> 02:06:49,950
 direction?

2253
02:06:49,950 --> 02:06:52,340
 - Yes, through the chair, we will consider

2254
02:06:52,340 --> 02:06:54,500
 density as well

2255
02:06:54,500 --> 02:06:58,630
 as traffic and consultation with other partners.

2256
02:06:58,630 --> 02:07:00,990
 density as well, okay.

2257
02:07:00,990 --> 02:07:03,720
 Did you want to speak to the referral or if you

2258
02:07:03,720 --> 02:07:04,100
 go ahead?

2259
02:07:04,100 --> 02:07:06,050
 - I'll speak briefly to it.

2260
02:07:06,050 --> 02:07:09,930
 I, again, I think what we hear from the community

2261
02:07:09,930 --> 02:07:12,630
 is there's some unknowns here,

2262
02:07:12,630 --> 02:07:15,090
 and I think it's a very fair thing to ask for

2263
02:07:15,090 --> 02:07:15,330
 them

2264
02:07:15,330 --> 02:07:17,560
 to become knowns on the way the traffic

2265
02:07:17,560 --> 02:07:19,230
 is going to move around this neighborhood.

2266
02:07:19,230 --> 02:07:20,390
 Again, I want to be clear,

2267
02:07:20,390 --> 02:07:22,610
 and I want to say I disagree with the approach

2268
02:07:22,610 --> 02:07:25,480
 that some of my colleagues take in their language

2269
02:07:25,480 --> 02:07:25,840
 they use.

2270
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:28,010
 I don't think staff have done anything wrong here

2271
02:07:28,010 --> 02:07:28,190
.

2272
02:07:28,190 --> 02:07:31,560
 I think they put together a very fair proposal

2273
02:07:31,560 --> 02:07:33,800
 based on the way that we normally do things.

2274
02:07:33,800 --> 02:07:36,550
 This, just knowing the area is fairly unique

2275
02:07:36,550 --> 02:07:38,110
 in the way that people will move around it.

2276
02:07:38,110 --> 02:07:39,870
 And there are large discrepancies

2277
02:07:39,870 --> 02:07:42,140
 between the major thoroughfare densities

2278
02:07:42,140 --> 02:07:44,140
 and the interior densities within this triangle

2279
02:07:44,140 --> 02:07:47,300
 that I think warrant a more careful look.

2280
02:07:47,300 --> 02:07:49,620
 But I wanna be clear, I don't feel that's any

2281
02:07:49,620 --> 02:07:49,970
 fault

2282
02:07:49,970 --> 02:07:52,490
 of our staff in doing a bad job on this.

2283
02:07:52,490 --> 02:07:54,100
 I just think for those of us who are

2284
02:07:54,100 --> 02:07:55,080
 representatives

2285
02:07:55,080 --> 02:07:57,580
 and you hear from the people who know the area

2286
02:07:57,580 --> 02:07:57,960
 well,

2287
02:07:57,960 --> 02:07:59,750
 This is a fairly unique place.

2288
02:07:59,750 --> 02:08:02,390
 I've worked up in that area for many years.

2289
02:08:02,390 --> 02:08:04,900
 I've walked these streets many times.

2290
02:08:04,900 --> 02:08:07,180
 I kind of understand, as Councilor Raman does,

2291
02:08:07,180 --> 02:08:09,660
 Councilor Provost does, Councilor Troso does,

2292
02:08:09,660 --> 02:08:11,250
 that there's a bit of uniqueness

2293
02:08:11,250 --> 02:08:12,330
 to this particular triangle.

2294
02:08:12,330 --> 02:08:14,450
 I mean, if you just look at where it is,

2295
02:08:14,450 --> 02:08:17,230
 it is an island within a massive amount of

2296
02:08:17,230 --> 02:08:17,840
 traffic flow

2297
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:19,280
 moving around it in all directions.

2298
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:20,920
 It is a very unique part of the city.

2299
02:08:20,920 --> 02:08:22,710
 It warrants a very careful look at it

2300
02:08:22,710 --> 02:08:25,430
 before we make a decision that may change

2301
02:08:25,430 --> 02:08:28,590
 the entire dynamics of this small neighborhood.

2302
02:08:28,590 --> 02:08:29,980
 - Councilor Ferro.

2303
02:08:29,980 --> 02:08:30,980
 - Thanks, Chair.

2304
02:08:30,980 --> 02:08:32,740
 So I appreciate the conversation.

2305
02:08:32,740 --> 02:08:35,220
 I appreciate the move to look into the traffic

2306
02:08:35,220 --> 02:08:35,540
 study

2307
02:08:35,540 --> 02:08:37,570
 and to consult with the hospital.

2308
02:08:37,570 --> 02:08:42,730
 I do appreciate the public speaking your truths

2309
02:08:42,730 --> 02:08:44,090
 and 'cause you know better than anybody,

2310
02:08:44,090 --> 02:08:46,240
 especially I guess the one on Canterbury

2311
02:08:46,240 --> 02:08:48,880
 and the one on Westchester and Windermere.

2312
02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:50,160
 You know the area very well.

2313
02:08:50,160 --> 02:08:51,320
 You see the traffic every day

2314
02:08:51,320 --> 02:08:54,190
 and I really think that that is a very important

2315
02:08:54,190 --> 02:08:54,430
 part

2316
02:08:54,430 --> 02:08:57,320
 the insight that we need to see here so we can

2317
02:08:57,320 --> 02:08:58,930
 actually bring something forward to actually

2318
02:08:58,930 --> 02:09:01,100
 address this. I wasn't going to be supporting the

2319
02:09:01,100 --> 02:09:04,880
 application as it was before. If I see

2320
02:09:04,880 --> 02:09:07,040
 this traffic impact study come to through council

2321
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:08,550
 and it gets approved, I'll approve

2322
02:09:08,550 --> 02:09:10,720
 that but that doesn't mean that it's approving

2323
02:09:10,720 --> 02:09:12,850
 the bylaw amendment as it is. That's just us

2324
02:09:12,850 --> 02:09:15,400
 looking back to see what is the traffic component

2325
02:09:15,400 --> 02:09:18,100
 really going to look like with these developments

2326
02:09:18,100 --> 02:09:19,790
 and then we can make a decision from them. So

2327
02:09:19,790 --> 02:09:21,950
 that's really what I wanted to see. I would

2328
02:09:21,950 --> 02:09:24,790
 also say you know like when it comes to I guess

2329
02:09:24,790 --> 02:09:25,970
 the university even though they

2330
02:09:25,970 --> 02:09:28,240
 didn't respond or reply that doesn't necessarily

2331
02:09:28,240 --> 02:09:29,440
 mean that they may have an

2332
02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:32,660
 issue or or not you know the responsible or the

2333
02:09:32,660 --> 02:09:33,520
 the hospital is

2334
02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:35,700
 responsible for obviously saving lives and the

2335
02:09:35,700 --> 02:09:37,050
 emergency department themselves

2336
02:09:37,050 --> 02:09:39,790
 are responsible for that triage component and we

2337
02:09:39,790 --> 02:09:41,310
 are responsible more so

2338
02:09:41,310 --> 02:09:43,660
 than the hospital obviously for you know how do

2339
02:09:43,660 --> 02:09:44,990
 you get there the roads that

2340
02:09:44,990 --> 02:09:46,850
 lead there and what happens with the traffic

2341
02:09:46,850 --> 02:09:47,980
 there when it comes to our

2342
02:09:47,980 --> 02:09:51,500
 planning. So it's really up to us to make sure

2343
02:09:51,500 --> 02:09:52,120
 that we have that

2344
02:09:52,120 --> 02:09:53,680
 responsibility and it's really up to us to make

2345
02:09:53,680 --> 02:09:54,590
 sure that that works for

2346
02:09:54,590 --> 02:09:57,610
 them. So I guess you know consulting with the

2347
02:09:57,610 --> 02:09:58,010
 hospital

2348
02:09:58,010 --> 02:10:01,200
 directly is I think the best choice here. I

2349
02:10:01,200 --> 02:10:01,830
 really appreciate the

2350
02:10:01,830 --> 02:10:03,690
 motion that the mayor has brought forward. I

2351
02:10:03,690 --> 02:10:04,220
 appreciate

2352
02:10:04,220 --> 02:10:06,950
 Councillor ramen, Councillor Pribble, Councillor

2353
02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:07,230
 Troso's

2354
02:10:07,230 --> 02:10:09,910
 comments on just pushing for that traffic impact

2355
02:10:09,910 --> 02:10:10,700
 assessment

2356
02:10:10,700 --> 02:10:12,240
 because I really think that is something that we

2357
02:10:12,240 --> 02:10:13,260
 need to look at

2358
02:10:13,260 --> 02:10:15,840
 and I appreciate you know consulting directly

2359
02:10:15,840 --> 02:10:16,770
 with the hospital and

2360
02:10:16,770 --> 02:10:19,410
 and pointing and flagging this to them just to

2361
02:10:19,410 --> 02:10:20,040
 say,

2362
02:10:20,040 --> 02:10:22,330
 what do you think when it comes to this?

2363
02:10:22,330 --> 02:10:24,960
 So I will support this as it comes to committee.

2364
02:10:24,960 --> 02:10:27,990
 Again, it's not approval of the zoning bylaw

2365
02:10:27,990 --> 02:10:28,460
 amendment

2366
02:10:28,460 --> 02:10:30,250
 as it is, it's just an approval

2367
02:10:30,250 --> 02:10:31,720
 to look at that assessment coming back

2368
02:10:31,720 --> 02:10:33,070
 and then we can make our determination

2369
02:10:33,070 --> 02:10:35,100
 when we have more information as it comes back.

2370
02:10:35,100 --> 02:10:37,780
 So I'll leave my comments there and I appreciate

2371
02:10:37,780 --> 02:10:38,660
 the work.

2372
02:10:38,660 --> 02:10:44,080
 - Thank you, and with further comments,

2373
02:10:44,080 --> 02:10:46,110
 the committee will allow me from the chair.

2374
02:10:46,110 --> 02:10:48,860
 Yeah, I think we've come to a good conclusion

2375
02:10:48,860 --> 02:10:49,320
 here.

2376
02:10:49,320 --> 02:10:52,140
 It's quite evident that there is some traffic

2377
02:10:52,140 --> 02:10:52,600
 concerns.

2378
02:10:52,600 --> 02:10:54,510
 I think when you have 14,000 cars,

2379
02:10:54,510 --> 02:11:00,050
 and a 24-unit walk up, for sure,

2380
02:11:00,050 --> 02:11:06,330
 how many of those units will have multiple cars?

2381
02:11:06,330 --> 02:11:07,140
 Who knows?

2382
02:11:07,140 --> 02:11:12,120
 We heard today that Western has limited parking

2383
02:11:12,120 --> 02:11:12,340
 there,

2384
02:11:12,340 --> 02:11:14,180
 so I think a lot of students are taking advantage

2385
02:11:14,180 --> 02:11:17,560
 of transit that we have, those are living around.

2386
02:11:17,560 --> 02:11:21,120
 being said. I'm familiar with this area and it is

2387
02:11:21,120 --> 02:11:22,940
 a bottleneck and I think that's why staff are

2388
02:11:22,940 --> 02:11:28,660
 looking at widening in the near future. But what

2389
02:11:28,660 --> 02:11:32,400
 really concerned me was the comments about

2390
02:11:32,400 --> 02:11:36,220
 access to emergency care at the hospital. So I

2391
02:11:36,220 --> 02:11:40,710
 fully support this referral. I was actually

2392
02:11:40,710 --> 02:11:44,230
 working on, you know, amendment myself and I'm

2393
02:11:44,230 --> 02:11:47,350
 sure other committee members were when the mayor

2394
02:11:47,350 --> 02:11:50,270
 brought this forward. So I think it's an

2395
02:11:50,270 --> 02:11:52,860
 important thing that we look at the actual

2396
02:11:52,860 --> 02:11:53,640
 traffic impact,

2397
02:11:53,640 --> 02:11:56,620
 especially that pertains to the to the hospital

2398
02:11:56,620 --> 02:11:59,250
 access for sure, so I will support the room.

2399
02:11:59,250 --> 02:12:04,860
 Okay, any other comments or questions or I call a

2400
02:12:04,860 --> 02:12:09,330
 vote? We have a seconded, I'll call the vote.

2401
02:12:09,330 --> 02:12:25,730
 Housing the vote, the motion carries 4 to 0. Okay

2402
02:12:25,730 --> 02:12:29,650
, moving on to 3.6. This is regarding 650

2403
02:12:29,650 --> 02:12:34,160
 industrial road. I'll look for over to move the

2404
02:12:34,160 --> 02:12:37,140
 opening of the PPM. Councillor Cuddy,

2405
02:12:37,140 --> 02:12:39,640
 I'll second it, and we'll call the vote.

2406
02:12:39,640 --> 02:13:00,930
 Councillor Stephen, closing the vote. The motion

2407
02:13:00,930 --> 02:13:02,360
 carries forward to zero.

2408
02:13:02,360 --> 02:13:05,370
 Thank you. I'll look for the applicant. We'd like

2409
02:13:05,370 --> 02:13:06,290
 to address the committee.

2410
02:13:06,290 --> 02:13:19,060
 Oh, I can hear you. Can please give us your name,

2411
02:13:19,060 --> 02:13:20,050
 you know, five minutes.

2412
02:13:20,050 --> 02:13:24,500
 Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and members of the

2413
02:13:24,500 --> 02:13:28,550
 committee. Daniel Salari with MHBC planning

2414
02:13:28,550 --> 02:13:31,900
 representing the registered owner and applicant

2415
02:13:31,900 --> 02:13:34,940
 pose some no properties. And also with me today

2416
02:13:34,940 --> 02:13:38,660
 is Scott Allen. At this time, we would like to

2417
02:13:38,660 --> 02:13:41,510
 express our support for the findings and

2418
02:13:41,510 --> 02:13:44,360
 recommendations set out in the planning staff

2419
02:13:44,360 --> 02:13:48,130
 report. The proposed zoning by lineman is

2420
02:13:48,130 --> 02:13:48,760
 intended

2421
02:13:48,760 --> 02:13:51,970
 to solidify the boundaries of identified open

2422
02:13:51,970 --> 02:13:55,570
 space features on the subject lens. And we would

2423
02:13:55,570 --> 02:13:58,780
 like to emphasize that no development is proposed

2424
02:13:58,780 --> 02:14:01,810
 at this time. Furthermore, the proposed

2425
02:14:01,810 --> 02:14:02,760
 amendments

2426
02:14:02,760 --> 02:14:05,430
 would appropriately protect identified

2427
02:14:05,430 --> 02:14:08,870
 environmental features while also broadening the

2428
02:14:08,870 --> 02:14:09,740
 range of light

2429
02:14:09,740 --> 02:14:12,720
 industrial users permitted on the balance of the

2430
02:14:12,720 --> 02:14:15,450
 subject lens to support future development.

2431
02:14:15,450 --> 02:14:19,210
 Finally, we would like to thank CDS staff for

2432
02:14:19,210 --> 02:14:22,060
 their attention to this application.

2433
02:14:22,850 --> 02:14:25,750
 thank you for your consideration and we would be

2434
02:14:25,750 --> 02:14:28,240
 pleased to answer any questions you may have.

2435
02:14:28,240 --> 02:14:31,190
 Thank you. I'll look for people from the public

2436
02:14:31,190 --> 02:14:34,620
 would like to address us. Please go ahead.

2437
02:14:34,620 --> 02:14:37,400
 You have five minutes. My name is Annemarie Amal

2438
02:14:37,400 --> 02:14:41,090
astro. I was disappointed that the environmental

2439
02:14:41,090 --> 02:14:41,480
 study

2440
02:14:41,480 --> 02:14:45,790
 wasn't attached to the staff report. Unless I

2441
02:14:45,790 --> 02:14:48,470
 made a mistake or I didn't see it, I would like

2442
02:14:48,470 --> 02:14:51,370
 to get that report and it should be attached to

2443
02:14:51,370 --> 02:14:55,790
 it going forward to council. This area is right

2444
02:14:55,790 --> 02:15:00,430
 next to Pottersburg Creek and it's a large open

2445
02:15:00,430 --> 02:15:04,400
 space. So I didn't, I had a hard time

2446
02:15:04,400 --> 02:15:08,500
 understanding the staff report and unfortunately

2447
02:15:08,500 --> 02:15:11,720
 I had a hard time understanding the gentleman

2448
02:15:11,720 --> 02:15:16,110
 just who spoke ahead of me as well. I like to

2449
02:15:16,110 --> 02:15:20,180
 know what the application and the applicant

2450
02:15:20,180 --> 02:15:23,140
 are going to do about this green space place type

2451
02:15:23,140 --> 02:15:26,130
. It was confusing in the report of where

2452
02:15:26,130 --> 02:15:28,820
 that space is when I looked at the map it seemed

2453
02:15:28,820 --> 02:15:32,640
 to be not where the creek was and I would

2454
02:15:32,640 --> 02:15:33,260
 appreciate

2455
02:15:33,260 --> 02:15:37,500
 it and I'm sorry I, my guess is that the people

2456
02:15:37,500 --> 02:15:41,070
 in the committee today are not familiar with

2457
02:15:41,070 --> 02:15:43,730
 this space. I'm a little bit familiar with it

2458
02:15:43,730 --> 02:15:46,380
 because I'm very keen. I think I photographed it.

2459
02:15:46,380 --> 02:15:50,490
 I'm very keen on pockets of green space in the

2460
02:15:50,490 --> 02:15:53,600
 city and I'm wondering if someone could

2461
02:15:54,910 --> 02:15:57,890
 talk about the green space-place type,

2462
02:15:57,890 --> 02:16:01,170
 and how Pottersberg Creek is going to be

2463
02:16:01,170 --> 02:16:02,230
 protected,

2464
02:16:02,230 --> 02:16:05,190
 and all the species that are probably going to be

2465
02:16:05,190 --> 02:16:06,630
 displaced.

2466
02:16:06,630 --> 02:16:09,350
 And when I look at Pottersberg Creek, which I

2467
02:16:09,350 --> 02:16:10,930
 walk,

2468
02:16:10,930 --> 02:16:12,270
 it's not protected.

2469
02:16:12,270 --> 02:16:15,440
 The riparian zone is nonexistent.

2470
02:16:15,440 --> 02:16:20,320
 And now here's an opportunity to protect that

2471
02:16:20,320 --> 02:16:20,980
 zone

2472
02:16:20,980 --> 02:16:24,190
 and also protect areas that flood,

2473
02:16:24,190 --> 02:16:29,310
 which are very important for amphibian breeding

2474
02:16:29,310 --> 02:16:29,580
 ground

2475
02:16:29,580 --> 02:16:31,790
 and fish spawning.

2476
02:16:31,790 --> 02:16:33,770
 You might think that there are just things

2477
02:16:33,770 --> 02:16:37,540
 you can throw dirt over and expand the

2478
02:16:37,540 --> 02:16:38,410
 development zone,

2479
02:16:38,410 --> 02:16:42,130
 but ecologically they're critically important.

2480
02:16:42,130 --> 02:16:45,890
 So before decisions made to support this,

2481
02:16:45,890 --> 02:16:48,200
 I think that the city has to establish

2482
02:16:48,200 --> 02:16:50,850
 the green space place type,

2483
02:16:50,850 --> 02:16:55,130
 something that I've just learned about now.

2484
02:16:55,130 --> 02:16:57,280
 And also the fact that for some reason,

2485
02:16:57,280 --> 02:17:00,850
 the environmental study was not brought forward

2486
02:17:00,850 --> 02:17:04,500
 to this committee so that they can also ask and

2487
02:17:04,500 --> 02:17:04,780
 raise

2488
02:17:04,780 --> 02:17:07,850
 the questions that I'm asking about.

2489
02:17:07,850 --> 02:17:10,060
 So my question is to the chair,

2490
02:17:10,060 --> 02:17:11,980
 and I'd appreciate it if it was represented

2491
02:17:11,980 --> 02:17:14,590
 the way I'm going to state it.

2492
02:17:14,590 --> 02:17:19,190
 Where is this green space place type going to be

2493
02:17:19,190 --> 02:17:20,740
 in relation to the creek?

2494
02:17:20,740 --> 02:17:23,550
 And how big is it gonna be in relation to the

2495
02:17:23,550 --> 02:17:25,980
 total site?

2496
02:17:25,980 --> 02:17:28,290
 And so I asked the chair to, if you can please

2497
02:17:28,290 --> 02:17:30,230
 repeat it the way I've asked it.

2498
02:17:30,230 --> 02:17:33,980
 Thank you.

2499
02:17:33,980 --> 02:17:40,130
 >> Thank you.

2500
02:17:40,130 --> 02:17:50,830
 >> I'll ask the speaker.

2501
02:17:50,830 --> 02:17:52,040
 I'll ask the clerk if there's anyone online.

2502
02:17:52,040 --> 02:17:53,230
 There isn't.

2503
02:17:53,230 --> 02:17:56,250
 I don't see anyone going to the microphone.

2504
02:17:56,250 --> 02:17:59,210
 So I'll look for a motion to close the PPM.

2505
02:17:59,210 --> 02:18:01,670
 Councillor K aye on it for a seconder.

2506
02:18:01,670 --> 02:18:02,600
 I'll second it.

2507
02:18:02,600 --> 02:18:19,180
 And we'll call the vote.

2508
02:18:19,180 --> 02:18:21,850
 >> Mr. Stevenson.

2509
02:18:21,850 --> 02:18:26,700
 >> I vote yes.

2510
02:18:26,700 --> 02:18:27,660
 >> Closing the vote.

2511
02:18:27,660 --> 02:18:28,620
 The motion carries 4-0.

2512
02:18:28,620 --> 02:18:34,650
 >> So Ms. Velasco has asked and I hope I get the

2513
02:18:34,650 --> 02:18:36,900
 wording right.

2514
02:18:36,900 --> 02:18:41,410
 the green space in relation to the creek and was

2515
02:18:41,410 --> 02:18:44,530
 a proportion of that to the site.

2516
02:18:44,530 --> 02:18:51,840
 Excuse me. That's, thank you. Any more helpful?

2517
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:58,020
 We're not allowed, okay?

2518
02:18:58,020 --> 02:19:04,010
 Through the chair, the area with the green spaces

2519
02:19:04,010 --> 02:19:05,610
 is the area that is proposed to be

2520
02:19:05,610 --> 02:19:08,880
 rezoned OS5 based on schedule A of the staff

2521
02:19:08,880 --> 02:19:11,570
 report. So that's the area that we are looking to

2522
02:19:11,570 --> 02:19:14,350
 include within the open space zone boundary and

2523
02:19:14,350 --> 02:19:16,580
 then in the future green space place type.

2524
02:19:16,580 --> 02:19:19,430
 Thank you. Thank you and regarding the

2525
02:19:19,430 --> 02:19:21,290
 environmental study is there a environmental

2526
02:19:21,290 --> 02:19:21,840
 study it was

2527
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:26,390
 done for this? Through the chair through the

2528
02:19:26,390 --> 02:19:29,240
 consent application that is currently ongoing

2529
02:19:29,240 --> 02:19:32,250
 submitted back in 2022 that was deferred by the

2530
02:19:32,250 --> 02:19:34,560
 committee of adjustment until an environmental

2531
02:19:34,560 --> 02:19:37,520
 impact study was completed to date that EIS has

2532
02:19:37,520 --> 02:19:40,850
 been completed and accepted by staff. Thank you.

2533
02:19:40,850 --> 02:19:42,880
 So I'll put this on the floor for committee

2534
02:19:42,880 --> 02:19:46,090
 members. That's what cutting. Thank you Chair

2535
02:19:46,090 --> 02:19:48,160
 through you. I'll move the staff recommendation

2536
02:19:48,160 --> 02:19:49,180
 and we got a mover. I'll

2537
02:19:49,180 --> 02:19:52,010
 look for a seconder, a mare of seconding. Look

2538
02:19:52,010 --> 02:19:53,220
 for comments or questions from

2539
02:19:53,220 --> 02:19:55,220
 committee members for visiting Councillors. Coun

2540
02:19:55,220 --> 02:20:00,330
cillor Cudi or Mike Sond you

2541
02:20:00,330 --> 02:20:07,420
 want to comment. Thank you. Thank you chair. This

2542
02:20:07,420 --> 02:20:08,890
 is my work so I do know the

2543
02:20:08,890 --> 02:20:12,490
 area fairly well. I you know I've been in favor

2544
02:20:12,490 --> 02:20:16,890
 of this. I appreciate the fact

2545
02:20:16,890 --> 02:20:18,890
 that staff have come forward with this and I

2546
02:20:18,890 --> 02:20:20,680
 think it's a good move. So thank

2547
02:20:20,680 --> 02:20:24,230
 you. Thank you. Look for other councilor for

2548
02:20:24,230 --> 02:20:26,770
 thank you chair. So the EIS was

2549
02:20:26,770 --> 02:20:30,090
 was accepted by staff, is that what I heard from

2550
02:20:30,090 --> 02:20:31,560
 staff?

2551
02:20:31,560 --> 02:20:34,010
 Is there the ability to release that to the

2552
02:20:34,010 --> 02:20:35,300
 public?

2553
02:20:35,300 --> 02:20:38,760
 - I'll go to staff.

2554
02:20:38,760 --> 02:20:40,610
 - Through the chair, the environmental impact

2555
02:20:40,610 --> 02:20:40,870
 study

2556
02:20:40,870 --> 02:20:43,670
 can be made available upon request.

2557
02:20:43,670 --> 02:20:44,850
 - Councilor.

2558
02:20:44,850 --> 02:20:47,570
 - Okay, requesting that, can I request that here,

2559
02:20:47,570 --> 02:20:51,080
 or do you need like a formal motion for that?

2560
02:20:51,080 --> 02:20:56,330
 - I'll go to staff.

2561
02:20:56,330 --> 02:20:57,900
 - Through the chair, if you wanted to send me an

2562
02:20:57,900 --> 02:20:58,100
 email,

2563
02:20:58,100 --> 02:20:59,790
 anyone who wants a copy of it, send me an email,

2564
02:20:59,790 --> 02:21:01,840
 and I'm more than happy to provide that copy.

2565
02:21:01,840 --> 02:21:03,150
 Thank you.

2566
02:21:03,150 --> 02:21:03,990
 - Councilor.

2567
02:21:03,990 --> 02:21:04,820
 Okay, thank you for that.

2568
02:21:04,820 --> 02:21:06,090
 And I guess just one more question.

2569
02:21:06,090 --> 02:21:08,400
 I see that there's no development proposed right

2570
02:21:08,400 --> 02:21:10,900
 now, but we are changing the zoning.

2571
02:21:10,900 --> 02:21:13,800
 If the proponent is online, I see that this is

2572
02:21:13,800 --> 02:21:16,780
 being changed to a holding light industrial

2573
02:21:16,780 --> 02:21:19,710
 special provision zone.

2574
02:21:19,710 --> 02:21:22,890
 I just wanted to know if we can be informed on

2575
02:21:22,890 --> 02:21:25,740
 what is potentially going to be proposed

2576
02:21:25,740 --> 02:21:27,200
 for the site.

2577
02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:28,160
 Yeah.

2578
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:29,120
 The applicant is online.

2579
02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:33,950
 Can you give us an idea of what's being

2580
02:21:33,950 --> 02:21:40,890
 considered with this change in zoning?

2581
02:21:40,890 --> 02:21:43,600
 Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, Scott Allen, MHBC.

2582
02:21:43,600 --> 02:21:47,640
 Apologies, my video doesn't seem to be working.

2583
02:21:47,640 --> 02:21:51,970
 At this time, there's no specific development

2584
02:21:51,970 --> 02:21:55,010
 plans for the particular site.

2585
02:21:55,010 --> 02:21:58,250
 There is a permission for an additional truck

2586
02:21:58,250 --> 02:22:01,770
 transport opportunity in the southwest corner

2587
02:22:01,770 --> 02:22:05,730
 of the site, which Ms. Vivian spoke to in terms

2588
02:22:05,730 --> 02:22:08,580
 of the original consent application.

2589
02:22:08,580 --> 02:22:10,880
 So that is the one reason for that particular

2590
02:22:10,880 --> 02:22:12,360
 zoning at that location.

2591
02:22:12,360 --> 02:22:16,360
 But the intent is effectively to have lead

2592
02:22:16,360 --> 02:22:20,740
 industrial manufacturing type operations on

2593
02:22:20,740 --> 02:22:24,790
 this site and keeping with the applicant's

2594
02:22:24,790 --> 02:22:30,550
 professional activities that they do at that.

2595
02:22:30,550 --> 02:22:33,190
 And that is ultimately why the application moved

2596
02:22:33,190 --> 02:22:35,530
 forward originally.

2597
02:22:35,530 --> 02:22:38,340
 And the intent at this point is simply to

2598
02:22:38,340 --> 02:22:41,750
 establish development boundaries for future

2599
02:22:41,750 --> 02:22:44,720
 consideration of light industrial activities.

2600
02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:46,120
 Thank you.

2601
02:22:46,120 --> 02:22:47,910
 Councillor.

2602
02:22:47,910 --> 02:22:48,880
 Okay.

2603
02:22:48,880 --> 02:22:49,860
 Thank you for that.

2604
02:22:49,860 --> 02:22:50,660
 I'm just sending an email for the request for the

2605
02:22:50,660 --> 02:22:50,840
 EIS.

2606
02:22:50,840 --> 02:22:53,520
 So I appreciate it.

2607
02:22:53,520 --> 02:22:55,850
 I'll look for other comments or questions from

2608
02:22:55,850 --> 02:22:59,350
 many members of visiting Councillors.

2609
02:22:59,350 --> 02:23:15,050
 Seeing none, a call to vote.

2610
02:23:15,050 --> 02:23:15,980
 Councillor Stevenson.

2611
02:23:15,980 --> 02:23:22,260
 I vote yes.

2612
02:23:22,260 --> 02:23:29,960
 - Vote the motion carries 4-0.

2613
02:23:29,960 --> 02:23:32,300
 - Okay, moving on to 3.7.

2614
02:23:32,300 --> 02:23:36,080
 This is regarding 845-875 Commissioners Road East

2615
02:23:36,080 --> 02:23:36,290
.

2616
02:23:36,290 --> 02:23:38,450
 I'll look for a motion to open the public

2617
02:23:38,450 --> 02:23:39,900
 participation.

2618
02:23:39,900 --> 02:23:41,830
 Meeting, our councilor cutting moves it.

2619
02:23:41,830 --> 02:23:44,630
 Councilor Mayeron seconds, and we'll call the

2620
02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:53,800
 vote.

2621
02:23:53,800 --> 02:23:58,100
 - I need some votes, yes.

2622
02:23:58,100 --> 02:24:00,730
 - Using the vote, the motion carries 4-0.

2623
02:24:00,730 --> 02:24:01,850
 - Thank you, I'll go to the applicant,

2624
02:24:01,850 --> 02:24:03,440
 please, sir, give us your name and you have five

2625
02:24:03,440 --> 02:24:05,510
 minutes.

2626
02:24:05,510 --> 02:24:07,450
 - Good afternoon, committee members,

2627
02:24:07,450 --> 02:24:09,110
 Mayor Morgan, visiting councilors.

2628
02:24:09,110 --> 02:24:10,770
 My name is Alex Vanders-Sluice.

2629
02:24:10,770 --> 02:24:13,590
 I am the development manager with Auburn Develop

2630
02:24:13,590 --> 02:24:14,140
ments.

2631
02:24:14,140 --> 02:24:17,430
 We are the applicant for the proposed zoning by

2632
02:24:17,430 --> 02:24:18,130
law amendment

2633
02:24:18,130 --> 02:24:23,410
 at 845, 865, and 875 Commissioners Road East.

2634
02:24:23,410 --> 02:24:26,090
 We're very excited by the opportunity to develop

2635
02:24:26,090 --> 02:24:27,340
 this site

2636
02:24:27,340 --> 02:24:31,520
 and build several hundred rental housing units,

2637
02:24:31,520 --> 02:24:34,420
 approximately 800 meters to the Wellington Road

2638
02:24:34,420 --> 02:24:35,880
 BRT corridor

2639
02:24:35,880 --> 02:24:37,980
 and certainly within walking distance

2640
02:24:37,980 --> 02:24:40,260
 of one of the largest employment centers in our

2641
02:24:40,260 --> 02:24:40,850
 city

2642
02:24:40,850 --> 02:24:42,970
 Victoria Hospital and Parkwood Hospital just to

2643
02:24:42,970 --> 02:24:46,950
 the west of the site. We do have

2644
02:24:46,950 --> 02:24:49,090
 a request of committee which was outlined in a

2645
02:24:49,090 --> 02:24:50,230
 written submission and is

2646
02:24:50,230 --> 02:24:53,240
 on the added agenda. I'll explain a little bit

2647
02:24:53,240 --> 02:24:55,280
 later but first I wanted to

2648
02:24:55,280 --> 02:24:59,120
 give a brief overview of the history of the site

2649
02:24:59,120 --> 02:25:01,500
 and explain the contents of the

2650
02:25:01,500 --> 02:25:03,830
 application as far as the work that we've done in

2651
02:25:03,830 --> 02:25:05,880
 getting to this point. We've

2652
02:25:05,880 --> 02:25:08,400
 been studying these lands for years and with our

2653
02:25:08,400 --> 02:25:09,850
 application we submitted a

2654
02:25:09,850 --> 02:25:12,290
 planning justification report, environmental

2655
02:25:12,290 --> 02:25:15,080
 impact study, hydrogeological study, geotechnical

2656
02:25:15,080 --> 02:25:18,430
 study, a D6 air quality assessment, a methane gas

2657
02:25:18,430 --> 02:25:21,720
 study, a functional servicing report,

2658
02:25:21,720 --> 02:25:21,960
 transportation

2659
02:25:21,960 --> 02:25:24,690
 impact assessment, noise and vibration studies,

2660
02:25:24,690 --> 02:25:27,090
 and a full architectural package, including

2661
02:25:27,090 --> 02:25:31,030
 floor plans, elevations, renderings, and a shadow

2662
02:25:31,030 --> 02:25:31,650
 study.

2663
02:25:31,650 --> 02:25:34,150
 Going back to the 1940s, these lands were

2664
02:25:34,150 --> 02:25:36,190
 actually used as a gravel pit, and that use

2665
02:25:36,190 --> 02:25:40,190
 continued for several decades. The lands to the

2666
02:25:40,190 --> 02:25:43,340
 east were municipal waste disposal site

2667
02:25:43,340 --> 02:25:48,430
 hence the methane gas study. Over time, the

2668
02:25:48,430 --> 02:25:53,210
 aggregate extraction operations ran their course.

2669
02:25:53,210 --> 02:25:56,060
 The portion of the site closest to Commissioners

2670
02:25:56,060 --> 02:25:58,080
 Road East was used for commercial purposes.

2671
02:25:58,080 --> 02:26:00,990
 There were different iterations of retail uses at

2672
02:26:00,990 --> 02:26:04,630
 865 Commissioners Road East and 845 Commissioners

2673
02:26:04,630 --> 02:26:07,130
 road east had a gas station and mechanic shop

2674
02:26:07,130 --> 02:26:11,530
 there with the exception of 875 commissioners

2675
02:26:11,530 --> 02:26:13,920
 road east which is a parcel of land that was

2676
02:26:13,920 --> 02:26:16,680
 acquired from the city of London in a land

2677
02:26:16,680 --> 02:26:19,160
 exchange for development lands elsewhere on

2678
02:26:19,160 --> 02:26:21,590
 commissioners road that were needed for road

2679
02:26:21,590 --> 02:26:25,380
 improvements. These lands actually have an active

2680
02:26:25,380 --> 02:26:27,610
 industrial draft plan of subdivision

2681
02:26:27,610 --> 02:26:31,190
 approval. They're also zoned and designated again

2682
02:26:31,190 --> 02:26:34,060
 with the exception of 875 commissioners

2683
02:26:34,060 --> 02:26:36,930
 roadies for commercial and late industrial uses

2684
02:26:36,930 --> 02:26:38,020
 today.

2685
02:26:38,020 --> 02:26:40,650
 The city owns a right of way through the middle

2686
02:26:40,650 --> 02:26:43,510
 of the property, extending deep into

2687
02:26:43,510 --> 02:26:46,270
 what will eventually become ESA as part of this

2688
02:26:46,270 --> 02:26:48,680
 application for a cul-de-sac to service

2689
02:26:48,680 --> 02:26:51,150
 that industrial plan of subdivision.

2690
02:26:51,150 --> 02:26:52,790
 Instead of developing the site for industrial

2691
02:26:52,790 --> 02:26:54,650
 uses, we are, of course, with this application

2692
02:26:54,650 --> 02:26:59,030
 proposing the high density residential use.

2693
02:26:59,030 --> 02:27:03,400
 I realize that there's a fair level of public

2694
02:27:03,400 --> 02:27:05,620
 interest in the site.

2695
02:27:05,620 --> 02:27:08,870
 It's a large development, high-profile location,

2696
02:27:08,870 --> 02:27:11,080
 and so I do want to clarify that we are not

2697
02:27:11,080 --> 02:27:13,580
 proposing to develop within the ESA.

2698
02:27:13,580 --> 02:27:16,190
 The ESA will expand through our development

2699
02:27:16,190 --> 02:27:18,520
 application and with the transfer of lands

2700
02:27:18,520 --> 02:27:21,830
 to the city to be combined with lands to the

2701
02:27:21,830 --> 02:27:25,370
 south and east to form part of the Westminster

2702
02:27:25,370 --> 02:27:26,360
 Pawns ESA.

2703
02:27:26,360 --> 02:27:29,390
 We're not developing within the wetland, and we

2704
02:27:29,390 --> 02:27:31,890
're in alignment with city staff about

2705
02:27:31,890 --> 02:27:34,140
 the development limits and the buffer to the

2706
02:27:34,140 --> 02:27:36,590
 natural features to the south.

2707
02:27:36,590 --> 02:27:39,010
 we are generally supportive of the staff

2708
02:27:39,010 --> 02:27:41,420
 recommendation. As I mentioned in my written

2709
02:27:41,420 --> 02:27:42,450
 submission,

2710
02:27:42,450 --> 02:27:44,610
 there's a couple of tweaks that we're looking for

2711
02:27:44,610 --> 02:27:47,210
 to the zoning, which will allow us to maintain

2712
02:27:47,210 --> 02:27:50,790
 the type of housing that we see fitting here and

2713
02:27:50,790 --> 02:27:53,670
 not compromise our housing product, which is

2714
02:27:53,670 --> 02:27:57,400
 residential unit designs that we've been working

2715
02:27:57,400 --> 02:28:00,060
 on for years to get down to efficient and

2716
02:28:00,060 --> 02:28:00,360
 functional

2717
02:28:00,360 --> 02:28:03,530
 unit types that are desirable and work for our

2718
02:28:03,530 --> 02:28:08,610
 tenants. We're also looking for an exemption

2719
02:28:08,610 --> 02:28:12,880
 to the calculation of height in the by-law to

2720
02:28:12,880 --> 02:28:15,960
 match what already exists, which exempts

2721
02:28:15,960 --> 02:28:18,490
 outdoor amenity space at the rooftop level from

2722
02:28:18,490 --> 02:28:21,010
 being calculated in the overall building height.

2723
02:28:21,010 --> 02:28:24,420
 The London Plan designates these lands for 14

2724
02:28:24,420 --> 02:28:28,170
 stories. We are proposing 14 residential stories.

2725
02:28:28,840 --> 02:28:33,050
 However, when we do outdoor amenity space at the

2726
02:28:33,050 --> 02:28:36,270
 rooftop level, we pair that with a complementary

2727
02:28:36,270 --> 02:28:39,270
 indoor amenity space to allow for that indoor

2728
02:28:39,270 --> 02:28:42,280
 outdoor use and all season use at that rooftop

2729
02:28:42,280 --> 02:28:44,950
 level. So what we're looking for is an adjustment

2730
02:28:44,950 --> 02:28:47,450
 to the zoning that staff had recommended to

2731
02:28:47,450 --> 02:28:48,000
 exclude

2732
02:28:48,000 --> 02:28:51,220
 rooftop amenity space indoor in the same way that

2733
02:28:51,220 --> 02:28:53,790
 outdoor rooftop amenity space is already

2734
02:28:53,790 --> 02:28:57,110
 excluded from height calculation. That's all I

2735
02:28:57,110 --> 02:28:58,500
 wanted to say and certainly, you know,

2736
02:28:58,500 --> 02:29:00,120
 following any other public comments, we'd be

2737
02:29:00,120 --> 02:29:01,800
 happy to answer any questions from committee.

2738
02:29:01,800 --> 02:29:05,580
 Thank you. Thank you. I look for members of the

2739
02:29:05,580 --> 02:29:07,290
 public who would like to address the committee.

2740
02:29:07,290 --> 02:29:17,840
 Please approach microphone. Okay, please, sir.

2741
02:29:17,840 --> 02:29:19,980
 Give us your name. You have five minutes.

2742
02:29:19,980 --> 02:29:25,640
 Thank you, Mr. Chair. My name is David Wake. I've

2743
02:29:25,640 --> 02:29:29,340
 been a long time advocate for protection of

2744
02:29:29,340 --> 02:29:33,730
 of Westminster Pawns and made my first appearance

2745
02:29:33,730 --> 02:29:37,520
 before a council committee at the old city hall

2746
02:29:37,520 --> 02:29:38,520
 down the street.

2747
02:29:38,520 --> 02:29:41,360
 So I've been following developments related to

2748
02:29:41,360 --> 02:29:41,700
 the Pawns

2749
02:29:41,700 --> 02:29:43,420
 for many years.

2750
02:29:43,420 --> 02:29:47,580
 In this case, I find because of the history

2751
02:29:47,580 --> 02:29:51,810
 of various previous approvals, the whole planning

2752
02:29:51,810 --> 02:29:52,120
 history

2753
02:29:52,120 --> 02:29:55,980
 of this project, I will support the staff

2754
02:29:55,980 --> 02:29:57,370
 recommendation.

2755
02:29:57,370 --> 02:30:01,380
 in particular the transfer of lands within the

2756
02:30:01,380 --> 02:30:02,060
 ESA

2757
02:30:02,060 --> 02:30:06,300
 to city ownership as that will certainly enhance

2758
02:30:06,300 --> 02:30:08,510
 the management of those lands.

2759
02:30:08,510 --> 02:30:12,410
 And also the holding provisions that are

2760
02:30:12,410 --> 02:30:12,890
 recommended

2761
02:30:12,890 --> 02:30:16,940
 by staff to assess some further details

2762
02:30:16,940 --> 02:30:19,230
 related to the environmental impact statement

2763
02:30:19,230 --> 02:30:22,550
 so that we can be assured of the best quality

2764
02:30:22,550 --> 02:30:25,730
 of protection for the remaining area

2765
02:30:25,730 --> 02:30:28,080
 and the best management of the buffer.

2766
02:30:28,080 --> 02:30:32,440
 system. So I did write comments in that are on

2767
02:30:32,440 --> 02:30:35,440
 the added agenda, and I just wanted to offer

2768
02:30:35,440 --> 02:30:35,690
 those

2769
02:30:35,690 --> 02:30:39,730
 clarifications in these comments. Thank you.

2770
02:30:39,730 --> 02:30:45,870
 Thank you. I'll look for the next speaker.

2771
02:30:45,870 --> 02:30:51,000
 Hi there. My name is Jennifer Tranpluser. I am a

2772
02:30:51,000 --> 02:30:54,470
 teacher of the H3ELP program at Westminster Pawns

2773
02:30:54,470 --> 02:30:54,570
.

2774
02:30:54,470 --> 02:30:56,780
 This is a group of great 10 students that come

2775
02:30:56,780 --> 02:30:59,880
 from across TVDSB and they participate with many

2776
02:30:59,880 --> 02:31:02,860
 community members like we forestland and quite a

2777
02:31:02,860 --> 02:31:04,540
 few others and we call the ESA

2778
02:31:04,540 --> 02:31:07,020
 our outdoor classroom. On behalf of the students

2779
02:31:07,020 --> 02:31:08,560
 that I've been teaching here

2780
02:31:08,560 --> 02:31:11,050
 for seven years many of them have reached out

2781
02:31:11,050 --> 02:31:12,380
 with its concern and I've

2782
02:31:12,380 --> 02:31:14,230
 just kind of compiled some of their ideas

2783
02:31:14,230 --> 02:31:15,600
 together and I have a couple of

2784
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:18,480
 students that will follow me. London must move

2785
02:31:18,480 --> 02:31:20,030
 quickly to address its housing

2786
02:31:20,030 --> 02:31:23,410
 crisis but not at the expense of and irreplace

2787
02:31:23,410 --> 02:31:25,550
able natural systems. The lands

2788
02:31:25,550 --> 02:31:29,430
 As at 845-75, Commissioners Road East set

2789
02:31:29,430 --> 02:31:31,840
 adjacent to provincially significant wetlands

2790
02:31:31,840 --> 02:31:34,000
 and an active beaver pond that support Carolinian

2791
02:31:34,000 --> 02:31:36,250
 species already under severe pressure from

2792
02:31:36,250 --> 02:31:39,000
 habitat loss and urban sprawl.

2793
02:31:39,000 --> 02:31:41,420
 These landscapes have been identified and

2794
02:31:41,420 --> 02:31:43,610
 protected for good reason.

2795
02:31:43,610 --> 02:31:46,500
 The proposal to introduce four 14-story apartment

2796
02:31:46,500 --> 02:31:49,030
 towers and over 850 units on this sensitive

2797
02:31:49,030 --> 02:31:51,860
 site is simply too intensive.

2798
02:31:51,860 --> 02:31:54,290
 It risks the loss of an entire wetland complex,

2799
02:31:54,290 --> 02:31:56,290
 increasing flooding, through greater overland

2800
02:31:56,290 --> 02:31:59,020
 flow, and long-term damage to biodiversity, clean

2801
02:31:59,020 --> 02:32:00,990
 water, and natural corridors that our

2802
02:32:00,990 --> 02:32:02,830
 community depends on.

2803
02:32:02,830 --> 02:32:05,850
 Introducing well over 1,000 residents, their

2804
02:32:05,850 --> 02:32:08,410
 vehicles, and their recreational activities

2805
02:32:08,410 --> 02:32:11,440
 to this location is environmentally irresponsible

2806
02:32:11,440 --> 02:32:12,280
.

2807
02:32:12,280 --> 02:32:14,120
 London has many alternatives.

2808
02:32:14,120 --> 02:32:16,330
 Numerous vacant and underutilized brownfield

2809
02:32:16,330 --> 02:32:18,340
 sites exist across a city that would allow

2810
02:32:18,340 --> 02:32:20,880
 us to meet housing goals through intensification,

2811
02:32:20,880 --> 02:32:23,660
 filling in and building up without encroaching

2812
02:32:23,660 --> 02:32:26,910
 on provincially significant wetlands. Housing can

2813
02:32:26,910 --> 02:32:28,910
 and should be built where ecological harm

2814
02:32:28,910 --> 02:32:32,430
 is minimal. I strongly propose that this site be

2815
02:32:32,430 --> 02:32:35,090
 zoned as open space, supporting gentle,

2816
02:32:35,090 --> 02:32:37,810
 accessible viewing platforms that allow residents

2817
02:32:37,810 --> 02:32:40,250
 to appreciate and steward the existing wetlands

2818
02:32:40,250 --> 02:32:43,570
 rather than erase them. If housing on this site

2819
02:32:43,570 --> 02:32:46,510
 is deemed unavoidable, it must be significantly

2820
02:32:46,510 --> 02:32:49,170
 skilled back to medium density forms with

2821
02:32:49,170 --> 02:32:51,510
 meaningful setbacks and protection of wetland

2822
02:32:51,510 --> 02:32:53,010
 complexes.

2823
02:32:53,010 --> 02:32:55,450
 London's climate emergency action plan and the

2824
02:32:55,450 --> 02:32:57,990
 London Plan clearly commit us to protecting

2825
02:32:57,990 --> 02:33:01,080
 and strengthening our natural heritage system. As

2826
02:33:01,080 --> 02:33:04,280
 a city that prides itself on innovation and

2827
02:33:04,280 --> 02:33:07,240
 leadership, London should not only uphold these

2828
02:33:07,240 --> 02:33:10,100
 commitments, but consider tightening protections

2829
02:33:10,100 --> 02:33:12,770
 for our environmentally significant areas,

2830
02:33:12,770 --> 02:33:15,410
 including Westminster ponds, metal lily,

2831
02:33:15,410 --> 02:33:18,720
 Medway and others. These landscapes are essential

2832
02:33:18,720 --> 02:33:22,080
 to biodiversity, climate resilience, community

2833
02:33:22,080 --> 02:33:25,070
 well-being, intensification, intensified housing,

2834
02:33:25,070 --> 02:33:27,800
 development adjacent to these locations should

2835
02:33:27,800 --> 02:33:31,070
 be minimized going forward. Other jurisdictions

2836
02:33:31,070 --> 02:33:33,220
 are moving forward by celebrating and safegu

2837
02:33:33,220 --> 02:33:33,530
arding

2838
02:33:33,530 --> 02:33:36,610
 net nature through the creation of national urban

2839
02:33:36,610 --> 02:33:39,250
 parks. Places that protect ecosystems,

2840
02:33:39,250 --> 02:33:42,430
 support climate adaptation, and general community

2841
02:33:42,430 --> 02:33:45,380
 pride, tourism, and long-term economic value.

2842
02:33:45,380 --> 02:33:48,150
 London should be leading in this space, not er

2843
02:33:48,150 --> 02:33:50,850
oding the very natural assets that make our city

2844
02:33:50,850 --> 02:33:52,570
 resilient and livable.

2845
02:33:52,570 --> 02:33:55,600
 Growth and environmental stewardship are not

2846
02:33:55,600 --> 02:33:58,830
 opposing goals, but that balance begins by

2847
02:33:58,830 --> 02:34:01,260
 recognizing that some places are simply too

2848
02:34:01,260 --> 02:34:02,990
 valuable to sacrifice.

2849
02:34:02,990 --> 02:34:05,510
 Mayor and Chamber, thank you for listening to my

2850
02:34:05,510 --> 02:34:05,840
 words.

2851
02:34:05,840 --> 02:34:13,350
 Thank you. I'll look for the next speaker. Please

2852
02:34:13,350 --> 02:34:15,010
, ma'am, give us your name in five minutes.

2853
02:34:15,010 --> 02:34:18,320
 My name is Rebecca Deering and I am a grade 10

2854
02:34:18,320 --> 02:34:21,360
 student speaking on behalf of the H3ELP

2855
02:34:21,360 --> 02:34:24,630
 Environmental Leadership Program. Today's

2856
02:34:24,630 --> 02:34:27,160
 decision is more about, is more than zoning.

2857
02:34:27,160 --> 02:34:30,600
 It is about whether we prioritize short-term

2858
02:34:30,600 --> 02:34:34,430
 development or long-term protection of a

2859
02:34:34,430 --> 02:34:34,980
 sensitive

2860
02:34:34,980 --> 02:34:39,070
 ecosystem that serves the entire community. I

2861
02:34:39,070 --> 02:34:42,410
 also want to acknowledge that there is a housing

2862
02:34:42,410 --> 02:34:46,010
 crisis in London and that increasing housing

2863
02:34:46,010 --> 02:34:49,730
 supply is important. However, this specific

2864
02:34:49,730 --> 02:34:50,350
 location

2865
02:34:50,350 --> 02:34:54,270
 is not an appropriate place to address that need

2866
02:34:54,270 --> 02:34:58,600
 given its direct connection to an environmentally

2867
02:34:58,600 --> 02:35:02,550
 significant area and a provincially significant

2868
02:35:02,550 --> 02:35:08,220
 wetland. I am here to oppose the rezoning of 845

2869
02:35:08,220 --> 02:35:11,930
 to 875 Commissioners Road East to allow for 14-

2870
02:35:11,930 --> 02:35:14,810
story apartment buildings and instead urge

2871
02:35:14,810 --> 02:35:19,450
 you to designate this land as open space. While

2872
02:35:19,450 --> 02:35:22,580
 this site may appear vacant, it directly borders

2873
02:35:22,580 --> 02:35:24,980
 an environmentally significant area and a provin

2874
02:35:24,980 --> 02:35:28,240
cially significant wetland. These areas are

2875
02:35:28,240 --> 02:35:29,020
 designated

2876
02:35:29,020 --> 02:35:32,540
 to protect sensitive ecosystems and the species

2877
02:35:32,540 --> 02:35:36,460
 that depend on them. This includes species such

2878
02:35:36,460 --> 02:35:36,850
 as

2879
02:35:36,850 --> 02:35:44,050
 killed here, native plant species like snowdrops

2880
02:35:44,050 --> 02:35:46,890
 and turtles such as the midland painted turtle

2881
02:35:46,890 --> 02:35:49,890
 and snapping turtle. Both considered species

2882
02:35:49,890 --> 02:35:53,870
 under special concern. These species are already

2883
02:35:53,870 --> 02:35:56,750
 vulnerable and habitat loss or disturbance can

2884
02:35:56,750 --> 02:35:59,640
 quickly push them toward threatened or endangered

2885
02:35:59,640 --> 02:36:04,390
 status. The ESA also supports over 200 bird

2886
02:36:04,390 --> 02:36:07,760
 species including the at-risk wood thrush.

2887
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:11,820
 Development of this scale introduces risks such

2888
02:36:11,820 --> 02:36:14,590
 as bird window collisions and increased light

2889
02:36:14,590 --> 02:36:17,450
 pollution, which can disrupt the migratory

2890
02:36:17,450 --> 02:36:20,840
 patterns. It also increases sediment and

2891
02:36:20,840 --> 02:36:21,390
 construction

2892
02:36:21,390 --> 02:36:24,530
 runoff entering the wetland, reducing water

2893
02:36:24,530 --> 02:36:27,650
 quality and damaging habitat for amphibians

2894
02:36:27,650 --> 02:36:32,040
 and invertebrates. In addition, this site lies

2895
02:36:32,040 --> 02:36:35,110
 within a floodplain under the Upper Thames River

2896
02:36:35,110 --> 02:36:38,670
 Conservation Authority. Increasing paved and

2897
02:36:38,670 --> 02:36:41,900
 built-up space surfaces reduces

2898
02:36:41,900 --> 02:36:44,220
 natural water absorption and increases storm

2899
02:36:44,220 --> 02:36:47,370
 water runoff. This raises the risk

2900
02:36:47,370 --> 02:36:50,400
 of flooding while also carrying pollutants such

2901
02:36:50,400 --> 02:36:51,790
 as oil, metals, and

2902
02:36:51,790 --> 02:36:55,670
 sediment into the wetland system. These impacts

2903
02:36:55,670 --> 02:36:57,380
 do not remain confined to the

2904
02:36:57,380 --> 02:37:01,660
 development site. Once development occurs at the

2905
02:37:01,660 --> 02:37:04,110
 edge of an ESA, ecological

2906
02:37:04,110 --> 02:37:08,720
 effects extend beyond the boundary line. This

2907
02:37:08,720 --> 02:37:10,520
 decision is not just about one

2908
02:37:10,520 --> 02:37:14,080
 development. It is about whether we protect the

2909
02:37:14,080 --> 02:37:15,910
 integrity of these ecosystems

2910
02:37:15,910 --> 02:37:18,760
 or allow gradual encroachment that weakens them

2911
02:37:18,760 --> 02:37:21,920
 over time. I urge you to reject

2912
02:37:21,920 --> 02:37:24,350
 this rezoning proposal and protect this land as

2913
02:37:24,350 --> 02:37:27,440
 open space. Thank you. Thank you.

2914
02:37:27,440 --> 02:37:35,270
 I'll look for the next speaker. Please ma'am,

2915
02:37:35,270 --> 02:37:36,290
 give us your name, you know, five

2916
02:37:36,290 --> 02:37:38,600
 minutes. Okay, hello. I'm Violet Smith and I am

2917
02:37:38,600 --> 02:37:40,380
 here today to speak on behalf of

2918
02:37:40,380 --> 02:37:43,780
 of the grade 10 H3 ELP Environmental Leadership

2919
02:37:43,780 --> 02:37:44,400
 Program.

2920
02:37:44,400 --> 02:37:46,910
 This program is located at Westminster Pawns.

2921
02:37:46,910 --> 02:37:49,300
 Every day my classmates and I go to Westminster P

2922
02:37:49,300 --> 02:37:49,500
awns

2923
02:37:49,500 --> 02:37:52,120
 to learn about how to better protect the ESA

2924
02:37:52,120 --> 02:37:54,100
 in all of its biodiversity.

2925
02:37:54,100 --> 02:37:56,090
 I don't just visit the ESA for school though.

2926
02:37:56,090 --> 02:37:58,560
 I often go to Westminster Pawns with my family.

2927
02:37:58,560 --> 02:38:00,670
 We often go on long hikes and are able to spend

2928
02:38:00,670 --> 02:38:02,770
 quality time together in nature.

2929
02:38:02,770 --> 02:38:05,200
 I know I speak for a lot of people in this room.

2930
02:38:05,200 --> 02:38:08,160
 When I say I am very grateful for being able to

2931
02:38:08,160 --> 02:38:08,460
 walk

2932
02:38:08,460 --> 02:38:09,740
 around a beautiful forest

2933
02:38:09,740 --> 02:38:12,460
 and feel connected to nature in this way.

2934
02:38:12,460 --> 02:38:15,020
 I want to be able to show my future family

2935
02:38:15,020 --> 02:38:19,130
 all of the beauty of a healthy, protected place.

2936
02:38:19,130 --> 02:38:21,240
 Westminster Pawns isn't your average forest.

2937
02:38:21,240 --> 02:38:22,510
 It's also unique.

2938
02:38:22,510 --> 02:38:25,180
 Southwestern Ontario is one of a few places in

2939
02:38:25,180 --> 02:38:25,690
 the world

2940
02:38:25,690 --> 02:38:28,040
 that has Carolinian forests.

2941
02:38:28,040 --> 02:38:31,100
 A Carolinian forest is a biodiversity hotspot

2942
02:38:31,100 --> 02:38:34,950
 and can hold up to 25% of Canada's species at

2943
02:38:34,950 --> 02:38:36,280
 risk.

2944
02:38:36,280 --> 02:38:38,790
 As you've heard, we are opposed to the apartment

2945
02:38:38,790 --> 02:38:38,890
's

2946
02:38:38,790 --> 02:38:41,860
 development that encroaches onto the ESA. However

2947
02:38:41,860 --> 02:38:43,950
, we also understand that there is a

2948
02:38:43,950 --> 02:38:47,160
 housing crisis in London. So I'm here today

2949
02:38:47,160 --> 02:38:49,780
 looking for a way to mitigate some of the factors

2950
02:38:49,780 --> 02:38:52,350
 that will impact the environment. Once the

2951
02:38:52,350 --> 02:38:54,490
 apartments are built, there will be a huge loss

2952
02:38:54,490 --> 02:38:58,460
 in biodiversity, a lot more litter being blown

2953
02:38:58,460 --> 02:39:02,140
 onto the Bieber pond, as well as having runoff

2954
02:39:02,140 --> 02:39:04,420
 from the parking garage and a lot more foot

2955
02:39:04,420 --> 02:39:07,470
 traffic creating trails through animal habitats.

2956
02:39:07,470 --> 02:39:10,530
 So, I would like to suggest some ways to possibly

2957
02:39:10,530 --> 02:39:12,620
 lessen the amount of biodiversity and habitat

2958
02:39:12,620 --> 02:39:14,130
 destruction.

2959
02:39:14,130 --> 02:39:17,150
 If large bushes are added along the edge of the

2960
02:39:17,150 --> 02:39:19,070
 buffer zone, it will discourage people from

2961
02:39:19,070 --> 02:39:20,470
 walking through the ESA.

2962
02:39:20,470 --> 02:39:23,840
 Large bushes as well as more green space for

2963
02:39:23,840 --> 02:39:26,720
 people to be outdoors will help soak up some of

2964
02:39:26,720 --> 02:39:28,870
 the water that will be experienced because the

2965
02:39:28,870 --> 02:39:31,120
 apartments are currently zoned on a floodplain.

2966
02:39:31,120 --> 02:39:34,110
 If the number of apartments gets decreased to 2

2967
02:39:34,110 --> 02:39:36,400
 instead of 4, there will be less litter being

2968
02:39:36,400 --> 02:39:38,680
 thrown into the ESA and less parking needed,

2969
02:39:38,680 --> 02:39:41,140
 which will help with the large amounts of runoff

2970
02:39:41,140 --> 02:39:42,570
 that will pollute the beaver pond.

2971
02:39:42,570 --> 02:39:45,960
 If the buck forgets enlargened, leaving more of

2972
02:39:45,960 --> 02:39:48,270
 the ESA protected, this will help decrease

2973
02:39:48,270 --> 02:39:50,690
 the amount of habitat destruction. A viewing

2974
02:39:50,690 --> 02:39:53,670
 platform can also be added beside the ESA,

2975
02:39:53,670 --> 02:39:55,820
 so people who are unable to walk the trails are

2976
02:39:55,820 --> 02:39:57,930
 still able to appreciate the natural beauty that

2977
02:39:57,930 --> 02:40:01,070
 it holds. In conclusion, we are opposed to

2978
02:40:01,070 --> 02:40:03,380
 building on a plot of land that is meant to be

2979
02:40:03,380 --> 02:40:04,150
 protected.

2980
02:40:04,150 --> 02:40:08,310
 But if the bill is inevitable, we would like to

2981
02:40:08,310 --> 02:40:11,150
 help work to lessen the harm inflicted onto our

2982
02:40:11,150 --> 02:40:16,590
 beautiful ESA. Thank you. Thank you. Pollock for

2983
02:40:16,590 --> 02:40:21,620
 the next speaker. Please go ahead. You have

2984
02:40:21,620 --> 02:40:25,130
 five minutes. Hello. My name is Amy Schultz and I

2985
02:40:25,130 --> 02:40:28,570
 have lived in East London for about six years now

2986
02:40:28,570 --> 02:40:28,670
,

2987
02:40:28,570 --> 02:40:31,800
 but I travel all over London and I particularly

2988
02:40:31,800 --> 02:40:35,720
 enjoy green spaces. I am low income and I have

2989
02:40:35,720 --> 02:40:37,890
 struggled with housing insecurity, a struggle

2990
02:40:37,890 --> 02:40:40,300
 that is all too familiar to so many Londoners

2991
02:40:40,300 --> 02:40:43,450
 in recent years. I am also one of few people that

2992
02:40:43,450 --> 02:40:45,590
 I have met in my years in the city that

2993
02:40:45,590 --> 02:40:48,750
 is in love with it. Despite my love for London, I

2994
02:40:48,750 --> 02:40:51,160
 have never had much of a taste for its nickname,

2995
02:40:51,160 --> 02:40:54,210
 the Forest City. It would seem to be a misnomer

2996
02:40:54,210 --> 02:40:56,750
 to any who see the city as it stands today.

2997
02:40:56,750 --> 02:41:00,050
 There are still forested areas in the city, but

2998
02:41:00,050 --> 02:41:02,280
 far too few, and we are here today discussing

2999
02:41:02,280 --> 02:41:05,640
 whether it is worth money to destroy further our

3000
02:41:05,640 --> 02:41:08,460
 irreplaceable natural resources and habitats.

3001
02:41:08,460 --> 02:41:11,700
 It is about money to be clear. Londoners of

3002
02:41:11,700 --> 02:41:14,770
 course need places to live. But with a current

3003
02:41:14,770 --> 02:41:17,480
 unemployment rate of nearly 10%, the highest in

3004
02:41:17,480 --> 02:41:19,890
 the country, and thousands homeless or housing

3005
02:41:19,890 --> 02:41:22,620
 insecure, the last thing this city needs is to

3006
02:41:22,620 --> 02:41:25,040
 destroy a scarce public good and replace it

3007
02:41:25,040 --> 02:41:27,420
 with something we have in excess of already. Pse

3008
02:41:27,420 --> 02:41:29,680
udo-luxury high-rise apartments that will

3009
02:41:29,680 --> 02:41:32,440
 not be rent stabilized, never mind affordable,

3010
02:41:32,440 --> 02:41:34,180
 run by companies that can afford to build

3011
02:41:34,180 --> 02:41:34,880
 elsewhere.

3012
02:41:34,880 --> 02:41:38,570
 I am not opposed to high rises and upwards growth

3013
02:41:38,570 --> 02:41:41,130
. I think they are essential to city development.

3014
02:41:41,130 --> 02:41:43,060
 However, there are plots of land available

3015
02:41:43,060 --> 02:41:45,330
 already stripped of nature in this city

3016
02:41:45,330 --> 02:41:48,650
 available for projects such as this. And despite

3017
02:41:48,650 --> 02:41:50,600
 the supposed plans to mitigate the damage to

3018
02:41:50,600 --> 02:41:53,250
 habitats for the sensitive and at-risk species

3019
02:41:53,250 --> 02:41:55,580
 residing in this area, there is no replacement

3020
02:41:55,580 --> 02:41:57,840
 for what is already there. It is an act of

3021
02:41:57,840 --> 02:42:00,060
 ecological violence on its inhabitants.

3022
02:42:00,860 --> 02:42:03,070
 The effects of this rezoning will spread beyond

3023
02:42:03,070 --> 02:42:04,730
 the boundaries of the buildings.

3024
02:42:04,730 --> 02:42:07,180
 The noise and light pollution alone are hostility

3025
02:42:07,180 --> 02:42:08,050
 against the animals.

3026
02:42:08,050 --> 02:42:11,230
 They may never return to Westminster Pawns again.

3027
02:42:11,230 --> 02:42:14,920
 Building upon and damaging green space is not the

3028
02:42:14,920 --> 02:42:17,180
 answer to the housing crisis in London.

3029
02:42:17,180 --> 02:42:18,770
 It is not giving the people in this city what

3030
02:42:18,770 --> 02:42:19,310
 they need.

3031
02:42:19,310 --> 02:42:21,980
 What we need is rent stabilization and affordable

3032
02:42:21,980 --> 02:42:22,650
 housing.

3033
02:42:22,650 --> 02:42:26,240
 What we need is zoning of currently workable land

3034
02:42:26,240 --> 02:42:27,660
 into apartment housing,

3035
02:42:27,660 --> 02:42:30,110
 not building more outrageously expensive town

3036
02:42:30,110 --> 02:42:31,690
houses and single family homes.

3037
02:42:32,740 --> 02:42:34,880
 The answer to our problems is not to further des

3038
02:42:34,880 --> 02:42:35,130
ecrate

3039
02:42:35,130 --> 02:42:37,460
 irreplaceable, beautiful, and sensitive land

3040
02:42:37,460 --> 02:42:40,450
 in animals for corporate profits.

3041
02:42:40,450 --> 02:42:42,040
 Please do not approve this build,

3042
02:42:42,040 --> 02:42:44,950
 or if nothing else, please decrease the scale.

3043
02:42:44,950 --> 02:42:47,820
 There are so few beautiful areas of London left.

3044
02:42:47,820 --> 02:42:49,900
 We do not need to burn down what little remains

3045
02:42:49,900 --> 02:42:52,410
 of the forced city to keep corporate landlords

3046
02:42:52,410 --> 02:42:53,770
 warm.

3047
02:42:53,770 --> 02:42:55,040
 Thank you.

3048
02:42:55,040 --> 02:43:03,630
 - Thank you, I'll look for the next speaker.

3049
02:43:03,630 --> 02:43:07,020
 - Good afternoon, my name is Maitland Shaw, I'm

3050
02:43:07,020 --> 02:43:07,730
 at grade 12.

3051
02:43:07,730 --> 02:43:09,870
 - Okay, thank you, please go ahead, you have five

3052
02:43:09,870 --> 02:43:10,450
 minutes.

3053
02:43:10,450 --> 02:43:12,580
 - Hi, my name is Maitlyn Shaw.

3054
02:43:12,580 --> 02:43:14,970
 I'm a grade 12 student at Medway High School

3055
02:43:14,970 --> 02:43:17,710
 and a graduate of the TVDSB Environmental

3056
02:43:17,710 --> 02:43:19,080
 Leadership Program.

3057
02:43:19,080 --> 02:43:21,150
 I would just like to thank, over here,

3058
02:43:21,150 --> 02:43:24,040
 we have David Wake, Mr. Tran Pleasure, Brendan

3059
02:43:24,040 --> 02:43:24,500
 Samuels.

3060
02:43:24,500 --> 02:43:26,660
 These are pioneers in conservation

3061
02:43:26,660 --> 02:43:28,530
 that have been doing this for a very long time

3062
02:43:28,530 --> 02:43:30,570
 and I definitely stand on their shoulders being

3063
02:43:30,570 --> 02:43:31,320
 here today.

3064
02:43:31,320 --> 02:43:32,640
 I would also like to thank you

3065
02:43:32,640 --> 02:43:35,910
 for upholding London's climate emergency action

3066
02:43:35,910 --> 02:43:36,300
 plan,

3067
02:43:36,300 --> 02:43:40,690
 Section 7-1-C by having that climate lens as we

3068
02:43:40,690 --> 02:43:43,510
 regard these issues and in considering

3069
02:43:43,510 --> 02:43:46,270
 all the statements of the people in opposition to

3070
02:43:46,270 --> 02:43:50,060
 the commissioner's East property.

3071
02:43:50,060 --> 02:43:52,380
 I stand against this proposal.

3072
02:43:52,380 --> 02:43:56,210
 I think that it should be maintained as open

3073
02:43:56,210 --> 02:43:57,120
 space.

3074
02:43:57,120 --> 02:43:59,330
 The Westminster Pawns area is the largest

3075
02:43:59,330 --> 02:44:01,940
 environmentally significant area in London.

3076
02:44:01,940 --> 02:44:05,230
 It is an absolute treasure hosting tons of

3077
02:44:05,230 --> 02:44:06,920
 biodiversity.

3078
02:44:06,920 --> 02:44:09,200
 It is essential for flood attenuation.

3079
02:44:09,200 --> 02:44:12,260
 It's essential for climate change mitigation.

3080
02:44:12,260 --> 02:44:14,500
 And it is a gem.

3081
02:44:14,500 --> 02:44:17,550
 And it is what makes our city the forest city or

3082
02:44:17,550 --> 02:44:18,620
 tries

3083
02:44:18,620 --> 02:44:20,820
 to be that anyway.

3084
02:44:20,820 --> 02:44:23,800
 Another point to consider is our provincial

3085
02:44:23,800 --> 02:44:24,640
 promise.

3086
02:44:24,640 --> 02:44:27,610
 This is close to this property borders

3087
02:44:27,610 --> 02:44:29,660
 of provincially significant wetland.

3088
02:44:29,660 --> 02:44:33,050
 and in section four of natural heritage

3089
02:44:33,050 --> 02:44:36,020
 of the provincial planning statement,

3090
02:44:36,020 --> 02:44:38,840
 we are not allowed to build on those properties

3091
02:44:38,840 --> 02:44:42,260
 and I understand that the developer underwent

3092
02:44:42,260 --> 02:44:44,090
 environmental assessment and it was determined

3093
02:44:44,090 --> 02:44:45,360
 there were no risks there,

3094
02:44:45,360 --> 02:44:49,410
 but we did not consider section four one and four

3095
02:44:49,410 --> 02:44:50,210
 one two

3096
02:44:50,210 --> 02:44:57,410
 which consider four one and four one and four one

3097
02:44:57,410 --> 02:44:57,510
 two

3098
02:44:58,560 --> 02:45:01,420
 which consider the long-term consequences

3099
02:45:01,420 --> 02:45:02,640
 of a development like that,

3100
02:45:02,640 --> 02:45:05,220
 including the connectivity of an area.

3101
02:45:05,220 --> 02:45:10,020
 And I think by having four apartment buildings

3102
02:45:10,020 --> 02:45:12,260
 right there close to the ESA,

3103
02:45:12,260 --> 02:45:15,220
 we are restricting nature's access

3104
02:45:15,220 --> 02:45:18,860
 to the environmentally significant area.

3105
02:45:18,860 --> 02:45:24,100
 And we know that there are 265 species in Ontario

3106
02:45:24,100 --> 02:45:26,340
 that are at risk.

3107
02:45:26,340 --> 02:45:29,410
 Since, in the past 30 years, there's been a 15%

3108
02:45:29,410 --> 02:45:29,890
 decline

3109
02:45:29,890 --> 02:45:32,920
 in species at Westminster Pond specifically.

3110
02:45:32,920 --> 02:45:35,070
 And it is a very vulnerable population.

3111
02:45:35,070 --> 02:45:37,240
 I understand the developer mentioned in their

3112
02:45:37,240 --> 02:45:38,060
 justification

3113
02:45:38,060 --> 02:45:40,330
 that they were going to propose ecological

3114
02:45:40,330 --> 02:45:40,810
 buffers,

3115
02:45:40,810 --> 02:45:43,450
 as well as a reconstruction of a pond

3116
02:45:43,450 --> 02:45:44,720
 that they're taking apart.

3117
02:45:44,720 --> 02:45:47,400
 But the ecosystem is just too fragile

3118
02:45:47,400 --> 02:45:49,830
 to undergo that in the time that we need it

3119
02:45:49,830 --> 02:45:52,540
 and the benefits of having that environmental

3120
02:45:52,540 --> 02:45:53,380
 significant

3121
02:45:53,380 --> 02:45:56,610
 wetland preserved definitely outweigh the

3122
02:45:56,610 --> 02:45:57,170
 benefits

3123
02:45:57,170 --> 02:45:58,590
 of supporting that housing,

3124
02:45:58,590 --> 02:46:00,370
 which might not accommodate many people

3125
02:46:00,370 --> 02:46:01,790
 in the current economy.

3126
02:46:01,790 --> 02:46:04,940
 So I would just like to say that if we consider

3127
02:46:04,940 --> 02:46:05,260
 this

3128
02:46:05,260 --> 02:46:07,380
 in the context of the municipal,

3129
02:46:07,380 --> 02:46:08,950
 a government in the context of the provincial

3130
02:46:08,950 --> 02:46:09,420
 government,

3131
02:46:09,420 --> 02:46:11,610
 but also in the context of the federal government

3132
02:46:11,610 --> 02:46:11,710
,

3133
02:46:11,610 --> 02:46:14,730
 that if we ever hope to maintain that COP 15,

3134
02:46:14,730 --> 02:46:18,590
 30 by 30 target, 30% of our lands protected by

3135
02:46:18,590 --> 02:46:19,360
 2030,

3136
02:46:19,360 --> 02:46:21,350
 we need to model that on a municipal level.

3137
02:46:21,350 --> 02:46:24,010
 and it starts with making decision now.

3138
02:46:24,010 --> 02:46:25,750
 Your decision has a tangible impact

3139
02:46:25,750 --> 02:46:28,100
 on the future of Westminster Paws and the future

3140
02:46:28,100 --> 02:46:29,180
 of all kids

3141
02:46:29,180 --> 02:46:32,410
 who go there to play on all people that go there

3142
02:46:32,410 --> 02:46:32,970
 to hike

3143
02:46:32,970 --> 02:46:35,910
 and expect to hear an avian population that is

3144
02:46:35,910 --> 02:46:36,770
 sustained,

3145
02:46:36,770 --> 02:46:39,120
 that in sea monarch butterflies that can benefit

3146
02:46:39,120 --> 02:46:41,070
 from the milkweed and the golden rod and the a

3147
02:46:41,070 --> 02:46:41,320
sters

3148
02:46:41,320 --> 02:46:43,650
 that will be there if we do not build in this

3149
02:46:43,650 --> 02:46:44,190
 area.

3150
02:46:44,190 --> 02:46:48,030
 So please do maintain this area that's proposed

3151
02:46:48,030 --> 02:46:51,180
 on Commissioners East as open space.

3152
02:46:51,180 --> 02:46:53,900
 It is in your hands, I'm proud to live in London,

3153
02:46:53,900 --> 02:46:55,570
 but at the same time, I would hope

3154
02:46:55,570 --> 02:46:57,410
 that you can fuel that pride

3155
02:46:57,410 --> 02:46:59,360
 and live up to the name of the forest city, so

3156
02:46:59,360 --> 02:47:00,730
 thank you.

3157
02:47:00,730 --> 02:47:04,770
 - Thank you, I'll look for the next speaker.

3158
02:47:04,770 --> 02:47:06,220
 Please ma'am, give us your name, you have five

3159
02:47:06,220 --> 02:47:06,620
 minutes.

3160
02:47:06,620 --> 02:47:08,400
 - Hi everyone, my name is Alexandra,

3161
02:47:08,400 --> 02:47:09,980
 and I wanna thank everybody for the time

3162
02:47:09,980 --> 02:47:11,960
 to listen to me speak about this potential

3163
02:47:11,960 --> 02:47:13,810
 of zoning bylaw amendment.

3164
02:47:13,810 --> 02:47:15,720
 I'm an ecologist who has worked across Canada

3165
02:47:15,720 --> 02:47:17,870
 for the last 10 years of my life.

3166
02:47:17,870 --> 02:47:19,730
 During that time, I have worked alongside

3167
02:47:19,730 --> 02:47:21,150
 environmental monitoring projects

3168
02:47:21,150 --> 02:47:22,570
 similar to what is being proposed

3169
02:47:22,570 --> 02:47:25,640
 the development by Auburn developments. A large

3170
02:47:25,640 --> 02:47:27,640
 part of the conversation that is missing in these

3171
02:47:27,640 --> 02:47:30,780
 developments is that these developments do not

3172
02:47:30,780 --> 02:47:33,710
 happen in a vacuum. The increased pressure on the

3173
02:47:33,710 --> 02:47:35,460
 area is not limited to the footprint of the

3174
02:47:35,460 --> 02:47:38,080
 development. Rather, the impacts radiate out and

3175
02:47:38,080 --> 02:47:40,270
 unintentional impacts routinely happen post-

3176
02:47:40,270 --> 02:47:43,120
development. Land developers work and think in

3177
02:47:43,120 --> 02:47:43,890
 pockets of land

3178
02:47:43,890 --> 02:47:46,170
 without understanding the interconnectedness of

3179
02:47:46,170 --> 02:47:48,310
 the work that they are proposing. While this

3180
02:47:48,310 --> 02:47:50,810
 development would provide additional housing, it

3181
02:47:50,810 --> 02:47:52,990
 would also create additional trash and other

3182
02:47:52,990 --> 02:47:54,730
 anthropogenic impacts in the surrounding

3183
02:47:54,730 --> 02:47:56,320
 provincial significant wetland and

3184
02:47:56,320 --> 02:47:58,460
 environmentally significant

3185
02:47:58,460 --> 02:48:01,830
 area. We are rapidly losing wetlands across North

3186
02:48:01,830 --> 02:48:04,000
 America and this development would be one more

3187
02:48:04,000 --> 02:48:04,320
 cut

3188
02:48:04,320 --> 02:48:06,830
 in the thousands that the land has felt already.

3189
02:48:06,830 --> 02:48:09,870
 If those in attendance today do not know wetlands

3190
02:48:09,870 --> 02:48:12,080
 are one of the best carbon sinks available to us

3191
02:48:12,080 --> 02:48:14,380
 but they are often viewed as empty land that is

3192
02:48:14,380 --> 02:48:16,200
 serving no other purpose than development

3193
02:48:16,200 --> 02:48:19,240
 potential. The proposed development will be

3194
02:48:19,240 --> 02:48:19,710
 negatively

3195
02:48:19,710 --> 02:48:22,090
 impacting London's only listed cultural heritage

3196
02:48:22,090 --> 02:48:24,520
 landscape. This area has also been noted to

3197
02:48:24,520 --> 02:48:26,690
 have a rich archaeological significance that has

3198
02:48:26,690 --> 02:48:29,060
 been used since at least 2,500 years before

3199
02:48:29,060 --> 02:48:31,470
 present. Thinking closer to our modern time, this

3200
02:48:31,470 --> 02:48:33,430
 land is encouraged naturalist in support

3201
02:48:33,430 --> 02:48:36,180
 of the growth of London itself as the site of the

3202
02:48:36,180 --> 02:48:38,450
 Westminster Pond Centre, which functioned

3203
02:48:38,450 --> 02:48:40,750
 as an administrative building and will hopefully

3204
02:48:40,750 --> 02:48:42,670
 function as a future centre for environment

3205
02:48:42,670 --> 02:48:46,150
 and sustainability. Staying in the common era, we

3206
02:48:46,150 --> 02:48:48,320
 are currently experiencing the six major

3207
02:48:48,320 --> 02:48:50,470
 extinction event on Earth, which studies have

3208
02:48:50,470 --> 02:48:54,190
 repeatedly found to be purely human caused.

3209
02:48:54,190 --> 02:48:56,370
 There must be considerations for the species that

3210
02:48:56,370 --> 02:48:57,780
 we share this line with, and who have

3211
02:48:57,780 --> 02:49:00,310
 called the Westminster Pawns home for generations

3212
02:49:00,310 --> 02:49:00,530
.

3213
02:49:00,530 --> 02:49:02,880
 The increased anthropogenic impacts, including

3214
02:49:02,880 --> 02:49:05,550
 noise, outdoor cats, pollution, invasive species

3215
02:49:05,550 --> 02:49:07,770
 brought in on the heavy machinery used to develop

3216
02:49:07,770 --> 02:49:09,540
 the site, and trash will place undue

3217
02:49:09,540 --> 02:49:12,280
 burden on this urban wild space that is already

3218
02:49:12,280 --> 02:49:14,040
 under enormous pressure.

3219
02:49:14,040 --> 02:49:15,890
 As previously stated, this is a provincially

3220
02:49:15,890 --> 02:49:17,910
 significant wetland and is home to many listed

3221
02:49:17,910 --> 02:49:20,580
 species who are losing their habitats year over

3222
02:49:20,580 --> 02:49:21,560
 year.

3223
02:49:21,560 --> 02:49:22,990
 There are many more appropriate spaces

3224
02:49:22,990 --> 02:49:24,500
 to consider development, especially when

3225
02:49:24,500 --> 02:49:26,160
 taking into account the inherent engineering

3226
02:49:26,160 --> 02:49:26,680
 problems that

3227
02:49:26,680 --> 02:49:28,580
 come with developing wetlands, including

3228
02:49:28,580 --> 02:49:30,170
 having to drain the development area,

3229
02:49:30,170 --> 02:49:32,100
 and then somehow keep water out of a place where

3230
02:49:32,100 --> 02:49:33,620
 it wants to be.

3231
02:49:33,620 --> 02:49:36,120
 London is supposed to be the forest city

3232
02:49:36,120 --> 02:49:37,640
 according to the vast amount of marketing

3233
02:49:37,640 --> 02:49:38,230
 information that

3234
02:49:38,230 --> 02:49:39,540
 is produced by the city.

3235
02:49:39,540 --> 02:49:41,450
 In fact, the city received the designation

3236
02:49:41,450 --> 02:49:44,610
 as a 2026 forest capital of Canada on February 25

3237
02:49:44,610 --> 02:49:46,060
, 2026.

3238
02:49:46,060 --> 02:49:48,330
 This project stands in opposition to that slogan,

3239
02:49:48,330 --> 02:49:49,960
 and I hope that the committee makes a decision

3240
02:49:49,960 --> 02:49:50,360
 that is more

3241
02:49:50,360 --> 02:49:52,900
 aligned with the tagline on their merch.

3242
02:49:52,900 --> 02:49:55,370
 During my time trying to research the development

3243
02:49:55,370 --> 02:49:55,890
 on Google,

3244
02:49:55,890 --> 02:49:58,680
 I found this report to the planning and

3245
02:49:58,680 --> 02:49:59,160
 environmental

3246
02:49:59,160 --> 02:50:01,030
 committee that has been predated with today's

3247
02:50:01,030 --> 02:50:01,470
 date

3248
02:50:01,470 --> 02:50:03,180
 in the executive summary states that, quote,

3249
02:50:03,180 --> 02:50:05,230
 "staff are recommending approval to the requested

3250
02:50:05,230 --> 02:50:05,540
 zoning

3251
02:50:05,540 --> 02:50:08,210
 bylaw with special provisions to implement the

3252
02:50:08,210 --> 02:50:08,480
 proposed

3253
02:50:08,480 --> 02:50:10,240
 development, holding provisions to ensure

3254
02:50:10,240 --> 02:50:11,110
 necessary updates

3255
02:50:11,110 --> 02:50:12,610
 to the environmental impact statement and

3256
02:50:12,610 --> 02:50:13,190
 compensation

3257
02:50:13,190 --> 02:50:15,700
 strategy, access to the municipal sewer

3258
02:50:15,700 --> 02:50:17,230
 and methane gas study to be completed

3259
02:50:17,230 --> 02:50:20,380
 through a future site plan, unquote.

3260
02:50:20,380 --> 02:50:23,000
 The document goes on to fit to further link this

3261
02:50:23,000 --> 02:50:25,100
 to the quote's corporate strategic plan,

3262
02:50:25,100 --> 02:50:26,970
 which states that this development fits

3263
02:50:26,970 --> 02:50:28,560
 within the strategic plan by quote,

3264
02:50:28,560 --> 02:50:30,320
 ensuring London's growth and development

3265
02:50:30,320 --> 02:50:34,700
 and its well planned and considers use, intensity

3266
02:50:34,700 --> 02:50:35,370
 and form.

3267
02:50:35,370 --> 02:50:37,230
 This same document states that quote,

3268
02:50:37,230 --> 02:50:40,180
 the submitted EIS is insufficient to deem it

3269
02:50:40,180 --> 02:50:41,730
 acceptable.

3270
02:50:41,730 --> 02:50:44,340
 This EIS is not visible to the public.

3271
02:50:44,340 --> 02:50:46,560
 Furthermore, I could not find any archaeological

3272
02:50:46,560 --> 02:50:47,040
 assessments

3273
02:50:47,040 --> 02:50:49,490
 for the area, how have recommendations been put

3274
02:50:49,490 --> 02:50:49,770
 forward

3275
02:50:49,770 --> 02:50:50,760
 to approve the zoning change

3276
02:50:50,760 --> 02:50:52,430
 without a full misunderstanding of the impacts of

3277
02:50:52,430 --> 02:50:53,830
 the site?

3278
02:50:53,830 --> 02:50:56,010
 I wanna be clear, I do not disagree with

3279
02:50:56,010 --> 02:50:56,590
 development.

3280
02:50:56,590 --> 02:50:58,150
 I just think that if we are marching forward

3281
02:50:58,150 --> 02:50:59,270
 with high density at building,

3282
02:50:59,270 --> 02:51:01,310
 we should be careful of where we are placing our

3283
02:51:01,310 --> 02:51:01,500
 feet

3284
02:51:01,500 --> 02:51:03,780
 so that a reparable harm does not occur.

3285
02:51:03,780 --> 02:51:05,660
 Moreover, it is well understood in my line of

3286
02:51:05,660 --> 02:51:05,820
 work

3287
02:51:05,820 --> 02:51:07,980
 that offset and compensation plans are a drop in

3288
02:51:07,980 --> 02:51:08,410
 the bucket

3289
02:51:08,410 --> 02:51:10,490
 compared to an already functioning habitat

3290
02:51:10,490 --> 02:51:12,190
 and that they function more as a pay-to-play

3291
02:51:12,190 --> 02:51:12,690
 access

3292
02:51:12,690 --> 02:51:14,130
 for developers.

3293
02:51:14,130 --> 02:51:15,680
 There are currently hundreds of unaffordable

3294
02:51:15,680 --> 02:51:16,360
 rental units

3295
02:51:16,360 --> 02:51:18,520
 available within London.

3296
02:51:18,520 --> 02:51:20,680
 There is opportunity to work with property owners

3297
02:51:20,680 --> 02:51:22,510
 to lower these costs rather than continuing

3298
02:51:22,510 --> 02:51:25,030
 to market units that are temporarily affordable

3299
02:51:25,030 --> 02:51:27,670
 before falling out of reach for most people.

3300
02:51:27,670 --> 02:51:29,180
 Additionally, there are hundreds of hectares

3301
02:51:29,180 --> 02:51:31,260
 of golf courses, brown fields, and vacant lots

3302
02:51:31,260 --> 02:51:32,500
 that would be much more appropriate for

3303
02:51:32,500 --> 02:51:33,180
 development

3304
02:51:33,180 --> 02:51:35,460
 as they've already been significantly impacted.

3305
02:51:35,460 --> 02:51:36,930
 The people here today have the ability

3306
02:51:36,930 --> 02:51:38,530
 to reconsider this development,

3307
02:51:38,530 --> 02:51:40,970
 beginning with, at minimum, a more thorough,

3308
02:51:40,970 --> 02:51:43,160
 multi-season environmental impact statement

3309
02:51:43,160 --> 02:51:45,340
 and a clean equipment protocol required by the

3310
02:51:45,340 --> 02:51:45,640
 developer

3311
02:51:45,640 --> 02:51:47,290
 before additional considerations are made for

3312
02:51:47,290 --> 02:51:48,340
 this project.

3313
02:51:48,340 --> 02:51:49,970
 We only have so much nature left,

3314
02:51:49,970 --> 02:51:51,730
 and the impacts to even small parts

3315
02:51:51,730 --> 02:51:54,770
 of urbanized landscapes are in this proposal.

3316
02:51:54,770 --> 02:51:55,610
 - 30 seconds.

3317
02:51:55,610 --> 02:51:57,480
 - To conclude, you open this meeting

3318
02:51:57,480 --> 02:51:58,400
 with the land acknowledgement.

3319
02:51:58,400 --> 02:52:00,080
 You acknowledge that we benefit from the land,

3320
02:52:00,080 --> 02:52:02,840
 but you do not see the benefits it supplies to us

3321
02:52:02,840 --> 02:52:02,940
,

3322
02:52:02,840 --> 02:52:04,040
 just as it is.

3323
02:52:04,040 --> 02:52:06,210
 I implore you to consider the whole ecosystem

3324
02:52:06,210 --> 02:52:06,980
 impacts

3325
02:52:06,980 --> 02:52:09,360
 and do your due diligence not to only think of it

3326
02:52:09,360 --> 02:52:09,460
,

3327
02:52:09,360 --> 02:52:11,900
 and not to only think of it as one point on a map

3328
02:52:11,900 --> 02:52:12,130
.

3329
02:52:12,130 --> 02:52:14,470
 I urge you to reject the proposal.

3330
02:52:14,470 --> 02:52:15,930
 Thank you for your time.

3331
02:52:15,930 --> 02:52:28,520
 - Thank you, I'll look for the next speaker.

3332
02:52:28,520 --> 02:52:30,950
 Please go ahead, you have five minutes.

3333
02:52:30,950 --> 02:52:33,010
 - Good afternoon, my name is Wendy Stone

3334
02:52:33,010 --> 02:52:36,200
 and I am a resident of 860, Commissioner's Road

3335
02:52:36,200 --> 02:52:36,490
 East,

3336
02:52:36,490 --> 02:52:38,310
 the property that is across the street

3337
02:52:38,310 --> 02:52:40,570
 from the proposed development site.

3338
02:52:40,570 --> 02:52:42,910
 First, I would like to commend the speakers

3339
02:52:42,910 --> 02:52:43,940
 that have gone before me.

3340
02:52:43,940 --> 02:52:45,730
 They've covered a lot of the ground

3341
02:52:45,730 --> 02:52:47,950
 for which I wish I could have spoken

3342
02:52:47,950 --> 02:52:51,620
 and which I know is supported by very many people

3343
02:52:51,620 --> 02:52:51,720
.

3344
02:52:51,620 --> 02:52:53,160
 On that note, I would like to say

3345
02:52:53,160 --> 02:52:56,350
 that I know another citizen, private citizen,

3346
02:52:56,350 --> 02:52:58,570
 from the building in which I reside,

3347
02:52:58,570 --> 02:53:00,350
 has put forth a letter to the city

3348
02:53:00,350 --> 02:53:03,250
 and has attached a petition

3349
02:53:03,250 --> 02:53:05,960
 with close to 200 signatures opposing this

3350
02:53:05,960 --> 02:53:07,370
 development.

3351
02:53:07,370 --> 02:53:10,030
 On that note, I'm choosing to focus specifically

3352
02:53:10,030 --> 02:53:14,290
 on one area of the assessment that has done that

3353
02:53:14,290 --> 02:53:14,970
 I have read.

3354
02:53:14,970 --> 02:53:20,840
 And that is the transportation impact assessment

3355
02:53:20,840 --> 02:53:20,940
 which I read.

3356
02:53:23,990 --> 02:53:27,180
 The assessment that showed, as is done,

3357
02:53:27,180 --> 02:53:29,440
 basically came up with a failing grade

3358
02:53:29,440 --> 02:53:32,110
 as the situation currently exists.

3359
02:53:32,110 --> 02:53:33,620
 From my understanding of the reading,

3360
02:53:33,620 --> 02:53:35,780
 there's something called an LOS, a level of

3361
02:53:35,780 --> 02:53:36,320
 service,

3362
02:53:36,320 --> 02:53:38,830
 and it is graded from A to F.

3363
02:53:38,830 --> 02:53:42,290
 Most of the assessments,

3364
02:53:42,290 --> 02:53:45,060
 and the, can't think of the word at the moment,

3365
02:53:45,060 --> 02:53:47,850
 but the ratings for those fell into the DEF

3366
02:53:47,850 --> 02:53:48,900
 category,

3367
02:53:48,900 --> 02:53:50,560
 which means the current structure for

3368
02:53:50,560 --> 02:53:51,510
 transportation

3369
02:53:51,510 --> 02:53:53,100
 is already failing.

3370
02:53:54,330 --> 02:53:57,850
 - Well, I have looked on the site you have

3371
02:53:57,850 --> 02:53:58,920
 or on the proposal.

3372
02:53:58,920 --> 02:54:02,390
 There's a figure 2.1 that shows the particular

3373
02:54:02,390 --> 02:54:02,860
 area

3374
02:54:02,860 --> 02:54:06,840
 between Adelaide Street and Wellington Road,

3375
02:54:06,840 --> 02:54:09,710
 with proposed traffic lights on there,

3376
02:54:09,710 --> 02:54:12,650
 in particular areas where they think the traffic

3377
02:54:12,650 --> 02:54:18,210
 from 900 parking spaces can be accommodated

3378
02:54:18,210 --> 02:54:20,220
 in the current 16 traffic,

3379
02:54:20,220 --> 02:54:22,080
 which I say is near impossible.

3380
02:54:23,100 --> 02:54:24,980
 I think it looks good on paper

3381
02:54:24,980 --> 02:54:28,450
 where these proposed traffic lights could be,

3382
02:54:28,450 --> 02:54:30,920
 but that has nothing to do with the lived reality

3383
02:54:30,920 --> 02:54:33,570
 of being on Commissioner's Road.

3384
02:54:33,570 --> 02:54:36,890
 For starters, we have the hospital next door,

3385
02:54:36,890 --> 02:54:40,160
 which again, as in previous statements,

3386
02:54:40,160 --> 02:54:42,810
 I wonder whether the hospital has actually been

3387
02:54:42,810 --> 02:54:43,690
 addressed

3388
02:54:43,690 --> 02:54:46,160
 about the services that could possibly be

3389
02:54:46,160 --> 02:54:46,750
 impacted

3390
02:54:46,750 --> 02:54:49,140
 by this development site,

3391
02:54:49,140 --> 02:54:51,280
 mainly ambulance services,

3392
02:54:51,280 --> 02:54:54,130
 which I already watched from my balcony,

3393
02:54:54,130 --> 02:54:57,010
 being slowed down because of train tracks,

3394
02:54:57,010 --> 02:54:59,820
 because of traffic, because of the impact

3395
02:54:59,820 --> 02:55:02,660
 of the busyness on Commissioner's Road.

3396
02:55:02,660 --> 02:55:05,120
 Shift changes at the hospital happen.

3397
02:55:05,120 --> 02:55:08,300
 There is a road that is not shown on the figure,

3398
02:55:08,300 --> 02:55:11,930
 or there is an emerging, it is not shown as

3399
02:55:11,930 --> 02:55:12,760
 significant

3400
02:55:12,760 --> 02:55:15,880
 on the figure 2.1 on the plan that you have

3401
02:55:15,880 --> 02:55:19,630
 that is just slightly east of Wellington Road.

3402
02:55:19,630 --> 02:55:23,880
 It is a exit from the hospital that merges on to

3403
02:55:23,880 --> 02:55:25,200
 commissioners.

3404
02:55:25,200 --> 02:55:28,460
 Unless you live there, you do not know that that

3405
02:55:28,460 --> 02:55:29,370
 merging,

3406
02:55:29,370 --> 02:55:31,360
 which looks very innocent on a map,

3407
02:55:31,360 --> 02:55:34,720
 and should perhaps allow people to get out easily

3408
02:55:34,720 --> 02:55:34,820
,

3409
02:55:34,720 --> 02:55:38,750
 can back traffic up from Wellington Road to Count

3410
02:55:38,750 --> 02:55:39,320
ies,

3411
02:55:39,320 --> 02:55:41,060
 Counties, what's it called?

3412
02:55:41,060 --> 02:55:44,600
 Counties Western Counties Road and beyond closer

3413
02:55:44,600 --> 02:55:46,630
 down to Adelaide.

3414
02:55:46,630 --> 02:55:49,410
 As the traffic is trying to merge into the

3415
02:55:49,410 --> 02:55:50,500
 existing traffic,

3416
02:55:50,500 --> 02:55:52,080
 that already comes out.

3417
02:55:52,080 --> 02:55:54,720
 That happens a couple of times a day with shift

3418
02:55:54,720 --> 02:55:55,580
 changes.

3419
02:55:55,580 --> 02:55:58,780
 On top of that, we have a railway line

3420
02:55:58,780 --> 02:56:03,140
 that is just a short spit away

3421
02:56:03,140 --> 02:56:07,550
 between the proposed development site

3422
02:56:07,550 --> 02:56:11,350
 and Adelaide Street, three or four times a day,

3423
02:56:11,350 --> 02:56:15,280
 trains there, we'll back up the eastbound traffic

3424
02:56:15,280 --> 02:56:15,380
,

3425
02:56:15,280 --> 02:56:18,770
 going close again, back towards the hospital.

3426
02:56:18,770 --> 02:56:22,940
 So there are already existing traffic congestion

3427
02:56:22,940 --> 02:56:23,960
 periods

3428
02:56:23,960 --> 02:56:27,200
 which make it impossible for people to move along

3429
02:56:27,200 --> 02:56:28,300
 that area.

3430
02:56:28,300 --> 02:56:33,640
 As I said, the ambulance traffic I have watched

3431
02:56:33,640 --> 02:56:34,710
 with the trains,

3432
02:56:34,710 --> 02:56:38,440
 the ambulances have to find a way to get around

3433
02:56:38,440 --> 02:56:41,790
 the blocked tracks already, much less through the

3434
02:56:41,790 --> 02:56:42,570
 traffic.

3435
02:56:42,570 --> 02:56:47,740
 So the impact of 900 parking units

3436
02:56:47,740 --> 02:56:51,950
 800 more people in that area from the

3437
02:56:51,950 --> 02:56:54,020
 environmental impacts that these fine

3438
02:56:54,020 --> 02:56:56,310
 folks have already mentioned makes it an

3439
02:56:56,310 --> 02:56:58,640
 absolutely ridiculous situation for

3440
02:56:58,640 --> 02:57:02,620
 traffic. Again, the hospital is right there. I

3441
02:57:02,620 --> 02:57:04,090
 don't know if the hospital has

3442
02:57:04,090 --> 02:57:06,260
 had any input, probably not. I've worked in

3443
02:57:06,260 --> 02:57:07,790
 hospitals. They have a lot of other

3444
02:57:07,790 --> 02:57:10,660
 things to consider than this sort of thing, but I

3445
02:57:10,660 --> 02:57:13,150
 would encourage again somebody

3446
02:57:13,150 --> 02:57:15,140
 to reach out to the hospital and say how does

3447
02:57:15,140 --> 02:57:17,960
 this impact the emergency services

3448
02:57:17,960 --> 02:57:20,210
 that are constantly going into VIC and I live

3449
02:57:20,210 --> 02:57:22,070
 there so I see the ambulance is

3450
02:57:22,070 --> 02:57:26,600
 going by. The fire trucks go by. So on that note

3451
02:57:26,600 --> 02:57:27,940
 then I will close and say I

3452
02:57:27,940 --> 02:57:32,120
 strongly oppose this development for many many

3453
02:57:32,120 --> 02:57:34,410
 reasons. My particular choice was

3454
02:57:34,410 --> 02:57:36,910
 to look at the traffic but I support the other

3455
02:57:36,910 --> 02:57:38,900
 speakers that have spoken

3456
02:57:38,900 --> 02:57:41,570
 already. Thank you. Thank you. I'll look for the

3457
02:57:41,570 --> 02:57:48,000
 next speaker. Please give us your

3458
02:57:48,000 --> 02:57:50,610
 name in five minutes. Hi, I'm Brenda Machit, a

3459
02:57:50,610 --> 02:57:52,900
 long-term resident of 860

3460
02:57:52,900 --> 02:57:56,440
 Commissioners Road. I will state the traffic

3461
02:57:56,440 --> 02:57:59,250
 study. I don't think is gonna be

3462
02:57:59,250 --> 02:58:03,510
 very accurate as there's new builds happening now

3463
02:58:03,510 --> 02:58:06,030
 right on, sorry, the

3464
02:58:06,030 --> 02:58:08,160
 north side of commissioners that will impact

3465
02:58:08,160 --> 02:58:09,250
 traffic even more than what's

3466
02:58:09,250 --> 02:58:12,870
 happening. As a person that watches out my window

3467
02:58:12,870 --> 02:58:16,160
 quite a bit, I see a lot of a

3468
02:58:16,160 --> 02:58:19,210
 a lot of wildlife that will no longer be coming

3469
02:58:19,210 --> 02:58:19,940
 through,

3470
02:58:19,940 --> 02:58:24,250
 which is part of the environmental, sorry,

3471
02:58:24,250 --> 02:58:25,990
 part of that study.

3472
02:58:25,990 --> 02:58:29,820
 Also, I see flooding on a constant basis

3473
02:58:29,820 --> 02:58:31,900
 in the field across the road,

3474
02:58:31,900 --> 02:58:33,870
 and I don't know how they will mitigate that

3475
02:58:33,870 --> 02:58:35,490
 from happening, stopping,

3476
02:58:35,490 --> 02:58:38,080
 because there is a creek that flows along

3477
02:58:38,080 --> 02:58:42,430
 and it heads north up Adelaide anyways.

3478
02:58:42,430 --> 02:58:45,800
 So just to support everybody who's spoken against

3479
02:58:45,800 --> 02:58:46,430
 the project,

3480
02:58:46,430 --> 02:58:51,640
 which I will say that I do not support the

3481
02:58:51,640 --> 02:58:52,740
 project as it is.

3482
02:58:52,740 --> 02:58:53,990
 Thank you.

3483
02:58:53,990 --> 02:58:55,580
 - Thank you.

3484
02:58:55,580 --> 02:58:59,830
 Look for the next speaker.

3485
02:58:59,830 --> 02:59:04,480
 Please give us your name, you have five minutes.

3486
02:59:04,480 --> 02:59:06,780
 - Good afternoon, members of the committee,

3487
02:59:06,780 --> 02:59:09,010
 visiting counselors, Mayor Morgan.

3488
02:59:09,010 --> 02:59:12,260
 Want to begin by thanking everybody

3489
02:59:12,260 --> 02:59:14,140
 for showing up today and participating in the

3490
02:59:14,140 --> 02:59:14,730
 process.

3491
02:59:14,730 --> 02:59:16,760
 And I want to also thank a city staff

3492
02:59:16,760 --> 02:59:18,820
 for making themselves available to meet with me

3493
02:59:18,820 --> 02:59:21,020
 and answer some questions.

3494
02:59:21,020 --> 02:59:23,890
 Probably not surprising that I'm not particularly

3495
02:59:23,890 --> 02:59:24,160
 happy

3496
02:59:24,160 --> 02:59:26,480
 about this development. If I were in your shoes,

3497
02:59:26,480 --> 02:59:29,020
 I probably would vote to deny the application

3498
02:59:29,020 --> 02:59:31,470
 on principle. However, that being said, I

3499
02:59:31,470 --> 02:59:33,980
 recognize there's not much the city can really

3500
02:59:33,980 --> 02:59:36,320
 do here, given the previous settlement agreement

3501
02:59:36,320 --> 02:59:38,280
 and the likelihood that a refusal would be

3502
02:59:38,280 --> 02:59:41,190
 taken up again with the Ontario Land Tribunal.

3503
02:59:41,190 --> 02:59:43,340
 And so with that in mind, I would recommend

3504
02:59:43,340 --> 02:59:45,990
 it to the circumstances that you should adopt the

3505
02:59:45,990 --> 02:59:48,430
 staff recommendation in full, including

3506
02:59:48,430 --> 02:59:50,600
 all of the holding provisions that the staff

3507
02:59:50,600 --> 02:59:52,800
 recommended. I have a comment and a couple

3508
02:59:52,800 --> 02:59:55,970
 questions. It is problematic to me that the

3509
02:59:55,970 --> 02:59:57,440
 environmental impact study that was

3510
02:59:57,440 --> 02:59:59,400
 submitted for this application is incomplete,

3511
02:59:59,400 --> 03:00:00,450
 which staff noted in their

3512
03:00:00,450 --> 03:00:03,640
 report. Frankly, in my opinion, that EIS was

3513
03:00:03,640 --> 03:00:04,930
 poorly done and there are

3514
03:00:04,930 --> 03:00:08,160
 numerous gaps. The various mitigation that the E

3515
03:00:08,160 --> 03:00:10,070
IS recommends does not appear to

3516
03:00:10,070 --> 03:00:12,960
 align with the city's policies. So, for example,

3517
03:00:12,960 --> 03:00:14,520
 we have a proper standard for

3518
03:00:14,520 --> 03:00:16,310
 bird safe building design, which we've heard a

3519
03:00:16,310 --> 03:00:17,650
 lot about today from the gallery.

3520
03:00:17,650 --> 03:00:20,320
 In fact, Council adopted the following motion

3521
03:00:20,320 --> 03:00:21,750
 moved by the deputy mayor in

3522
03:00:21,750 --> 03:00:27,220
 January 2024. "The CSA A460 standard be used as a

3523
03:00:27,220 --> 03:00:29,230
 reference by staff in building design and

3524
03:00:29,230 --> 03:00:32,300
 construction." Of course, this is voluntary, but

3525
03:00:32,300 --> 03:00:34,880
 it's a technical reference. It guides recommended

3526
03:00:34,880 --> 03:00:37,760
 best practices. Yet with this application, and so

3527
03:00:37,760 --> 03:00:40,040
 many others like it, the applicants and their

3528
03:00:40,040 --> 03:00:42,320
 consultants don't make reference to what the city

3529
03:00:42,320 --> 03:00:45,040
 is requesting and standardly using. Recommend

3530
03:00:45,040 --> 03:00:45,280
ation

3531
03:00:45,280 --> 03:00:47,780
 47 of the EIS talks about all kinds of design

3532
03:00:47,780 --> 03:00:50,410
 measures to prevent birds in the ESA from being

3533
03:00:50,410 --> 03:00:52,870
 and killed by colliding with the buildings,

3534
03:00:52,870 --> 03:00:54,910
 but several of these actions are not effective

3535
03:00:54,910 --> 03:00:56,420
 and are not aligned with that standard

3536
03:00:56,420 --> 03:00:59,130
 already adopted by a council resolution.

3537
03:00:59,130 --> 03:01:01,080
 That standard isn't referenced here anywhere.

3538
03:01:01,080 --> 03:01:03,030
 So this makes me wonder how seriously

3539
03:01:03,030 --> 03:01:04,380
 the development community takes

3540
03:01:04,380 --> 03:01:07,480
 any of this public feedback and requests from the

3541
03:01:07,480 --> 03:01:07,890
 city.

3542
03:01:07,890 --> 03:01:09,760
 For what it's worth, I've not seen a single

3543
03:01:09,760 --> 03:01:10,240
 development

3544
03:01:10,240 --> 03:01:12,780
 in London voluntarily comply with the standard

3545
03:01:12,780 --> 03:01:15,510
 since council adopted it over two years ago.

3546
03:01:15,510 --> 03:01:17,540
 And so this brings me to my first question.

3547
03:01:17,540 --> 03:01:19,690
 Given the EIS included with this file

3548
03:01:19,690 --> 03:01:22,190
 in the staff recommendation, moving forward,

3549
03:01:22,190 --> 03:01:24,700
 can developers submit an incomplete application

3550
03:01:24,700 --> 03:01:27,500
 with a half-baked EIS and still get a conditional

3551
03:01:27,500 --> 03:01:28,200
 approval?

3552
03:01:28,200 --> 03:01:29,430
 This doesn't seem consistent

3553
03:01:29,430 --> 03:01:31,160
 with the city's environmental management

3554
03:01:31,160 --> 03:01:32,910
 guidelines.

3555
03:01:32,910 --> 03:01:34,860
 My second question pertains to site planning

3556
03:01:34,860 --> 03:01:37,190
 and the impacts of bill 98.

3557
03:01:37,190 --> 03:01:39,340
 In the staff recommendation, clause B says

3558
03:01:39,340 --> 03:01:41,720
 the site plan approval authority be requested

3559
03:01:41,720 --> 03:01:43,380
 to consider the following design issues

3560
03:01:43,380 --> 03:01:44,930
 through the site plan process.

3561
03:01:44,930 --> 03:01:47,210
 Importantly, for the public to understand,

3562
03:01:47,210 --> 03:01:49,970
 requesting is not the same thing as requiring.

3563
03:01:49,970 --> 03:01:52,060
 Bill 98 is being debated at second reading

3564
03:01:52,060 --> 03:01:54,360
 at the provincial legislature right now.

3565
03:01:54,360 --> 03:01:56,220
 Moving forward, if this bill passes,

3566
03:01:56,220 --> 03:01:58,400
 the public and the municipality will have even

3567
03:01:58,400 --> 03:01:59,160
 less control

3568
03:01:59,160 --> 03:02:01,610
 over developments like this beyond the zoning

3569
03:02:01,610 --> 03:02:02,420
 stage.

3570
03:02:02,420 --> 03:02:04,590
 Londoners are represented at Queens Park by

3571
03:02:04,590 --> 03:02:05,090
 Minister

3572
03:02:05,090 --> 03:02:07,260
 of Municipal Affairs and Housing, Rob Flack,

3573
03:02:07,260 --> 03:02:08,830
 who is championing this bill.

3574
03:02:08,830 --> 03:02:10,220
 Unfortunately, he hasn't responded

3575
03:02:10,220 --> 03:02:11,930
 to a single email I've sent over the years

3576
03:02:11,930 --> 03:02:14,220
 to express my concerns about the province of

3577
03:02:14,220 --> 03:02:14,530
 meddling

3578
03:02:14,530 --> 03:02:16,380
 in our local land use planning.

3579
03:02:16,380 --> 03:02:18,230
 And I suspect the situation is gonna become

3580
03:02:18,230 --> 03:02:19,860
 even more difficult.

3581
03:02:19,860 --> 03:02:21,980
 And so my second question is,

3582
03:02:21,980 --> 03:02:24,670
 if this zoning application is approved today

3583
03:02:24,670 --> 03:02:26,820
 with the holding provisions and the

3584
03:02:26,820 --> 03:02:27,270
 recommendations

3585
03:02:27,270 --> 03:02:29,640
 or requests, what would the implications be

3586
03:02:29,640 --> 03:02:31,640
 of bill 98 getting passed,

3587
03:02:31,640 --> 03:02:33,420
 given the proposed changes to the scope

3588
03:02:33,420 --> 03:02:35,320
 of site plan control?

3589
03:02:35,320 --> 03:02:37,380
 To close, please ensure these holding provisions

3590
03:02:37,380 --> 03:02:39,050
 are reflected in your decision.

3591
03:02:39,050 --> 03:02:41,210
 This will give all parties more time to figure

3592
03:02:41,210 --> 03:02:41,350
 out

3593
03:02:41,350 --> 03:02:43,060
 how this development can proceed

3594
03:02:43,060 --> 03:02:45,070
 with sufficient mitigation that aligns with the

3595
03:02:45,070 --> 03:02:45,280
 city

3596
03:02:45,280 --> 03:02:47,750
 and conservation authorities' recommendations.

3597
03:02:47,750 --> 03:02:48,870
 Thank you.

3598
03:02:48,870 --> 03:02:52,990
 - Thank you, I'll look for the next speaker.

3599
03:02:52,990 --> 03:02:55,020
 go ahead you have five minutes. My name is Anna

3600
03:02:55,020 --> 03:02:57,690
 Muir Milastro. So again the

3601
03:02:57,690 --> 03:03:00,530
 environmental impact study was not attached to

3602
03:03:00,530 --> 03:03:02,680
 the staff report that so the

3603
03:03:02,680 --> 03:03:04,700
 public could read it and the decision makers

3604
03:03:04,700 --> 03:03:06,060
 could read it and make the best

3605
03:03:06,060 --> 03:03:09,140
 decision they can. The applicant has not

3606
03:03:09,140 --> 03:03:11,090
 committed to having bird-friendly

3607
03:03:11,090 --> 03:03:15,360
 windows or planting native species. You haven't

3608
03:03:15,360 --> 03:03:18,370
 made that commitment today even

3609
03:03:18,370 --> 03:03:20,690
 though you you boasted about how you're swapping

3610
03:03:20,690 --> 03:03:22,630
 lands and things like that but

3611
03:03:22,630 --> 03:03:25,970
 that was very absent in your presentation.

3612
03:03:25,970 --> 03:03:27,840
 The other thing is that environmental impact

3613
03:03:27,840 --> 03:03:28,280
 studies

3614
03:03:28,280 --> 03:03:30,500
 are woefully defective.

3615
03:03:30,500 --> 03:03:33,010
 With high rises, they don't measure the impacts

3616
03:03:33,010 --> 03:03:34,960
 of lighting

3617
03:03:34,960 --> 03:03:36,420
 on the natural system.

3618
03:03:36,420 --> 03:03:40,690
 It doesn't measure lighting on nocturnal species.

3619
03:03:40,690 --> 03:03:44,210
 And it doesn't measure the impact of a massive

3620
03:03:44,210 --> 03:03:45,980
 parking lot

3621
03:03:45,980 --> 03:03:49,090
 that wildlife would have to traverse,

3622
03:03:49,090 --> 03:03:52,000
 plus it gets lit all night long.

3623
03:03:52,000 --> 03:03:54,660
 there's no rationale given why it's a surface

3624
03:03:54,660 --> 03:03:57,970
 parking lot other than it's cheaper than building

3625
03:03:57,970 --> 03:04:00,410
 an underground parking lot under the actual

3626
03:04:00,410 --> 03:04:03,380
 buildings so that you can plant trees on the

3627
03:04:03,380 --> 03:04:06,050
 perimeter of those buildings because you can't

3628
03:04:06,050 --> 03:04:08,550
 plant trees over an underground parking lot.

3629
03:04:08,550 --> 03:04:11,510
 None of that was addressed. My guess is none of

3630
03:04:11,510 --> 03:04:14,170
 it was addressed in the environmental impact

3631
03:04:14,170 --> 03:04:15,040
 study

3632
03:04:15,040 --> 03:04:18,880
 and even that study wasn't complete and somewhere

3633
03:04:18,880 --> 03:04:21,650
 there has to be a way to hold a developer

3634
03:04:21,650 --> 03:04:26,020
 accountable. And this committee has that ability

3635
03:04:26,020 --> 03:04:27,990
 to not accept this until an

3636
03:04:27,990 --> 03:04:31,320
 environmental impact study is completed until it

3637
03:04:31,320 --> 03:04:33,450
 addresses the impacts of lighting,

3638
03:04:33,450 --> 03:04:37,180
 surface parking loss, and 900 people coming and

3639
03:04:37,180 --> 03:04:38,990
 going right on the edge of an

3640
03:04:38,990 --> 03:04:41,670
 unperventionally significant wetland. And the

3641
03:04:41,670 --> 03:04:43,260
 other thing is that you cannot

3642
03:04:43,260 --> 03:04:46,520
 replicate a wetland. You can put a hole in the

3643
03:04:46,520 --> 03:04:49,340
 ground with, you know, with heavy

3644
03:04:49,340 --> 03:04:52,050
 equipment. You can move earth and then fill it up

3645
03:04:52,050 --> 03:04:55,470
 with water. That is not a wetland. That

3646
03:04:55,470 --> 03:04:58,790
 is a hole in the ground with water that you've

3647
03:04:58,790 --> 03:05:02,410
 put in there. A wetland is a very sophisticated

3648
03:05:02,410 --> 03:05:05,630
 ecosystem. That's why they're protected. That's

3649
03:05:05,630 --> 03:05:08,940
 why they can't be replicated. I encourage this

3650
03:05:08,940 --> 03:05:12,330
 committee to deny the extra height on this

3651
03:05:12,330 --> 03:05:16,640
 building and send this back until the

3652
03:05:16,640 --> 03:05:17,640
 environmental impact

3653
03:05:17,640 --> 03:05:21,680
 study is completed and that is where the city has

3654
03:05:21,680 --> 03:05:24,180
 some ability to shape this

3655
03:05:24,180 --> 03:05:28,040
 development and also if it has the ability to

3656
03:05:28,040 --> 03:05:30,430
 bring it down it should it's

3657
03:05:30,430 --> 03:05:32,770
 the intensity of the building not whether

3658
03:05:32,770 --> 03:05:34,490
 something can go there or not

3659
03:05:34,490 --> 03:05:37,750
 okay it has nothing to do with it being farmland

3660
03:05:37,750 --> 03:05:39,830
 at one time in history it's

3661
03:05:39,830 --> 03:05:42,340
 the intensity of the building that people are

3662
03:05:42,340 --> 03:05:44,170
 opposing so wherever this

3663
03:05:44,170 --> 03:05:47,790
 committee or council has the ability to bring

3664
03:05:47,790 --> 03:05:50,370
 down the intensity including

3665
03:05:50,370 --> 03:05:53,910
 lighting and surface parking lots. That's where

3666
03:05:53,910 --> 03:05:55,280
 they should be looking to

3667
03:05:55,280 --> 03:05:58,280
 ensure that whatever goes in there has minimal

3668
03:05:58,280 --> 03:06:00,200
 impact on the natural system.

3669
03:06:00,200 --> 03:06:03,160
 Thank you. Thank you. I'll look for the next

3670
03:06:03,160 --> 03:06:04,930
 speaker. I understand there's someone

3671
03:06:04,930 --> 03:06:12,100
 online. Miguel, can you hear me? Yes. Yeah, thank

3672
03:06:12,100 --> 03:06:13,070
 you. Thank you, Chair. Yeah,

3673
03:06:13,070 --> 03:06:16,530
 please go ahead. You have five minutes. Thank you

3674
03:06:16,530 --> 03:06:19,260
. Yeah, thank you, Chair and the

3675
03:06:19,260 --> 03:06:21,610
 on the committee as well for allowing me to speak

3676
03:06:21,610 --> 03:06:22,120
 today.

3677
03:06:22,120 --> 03:06:24,060
 So my name is Miguel Belcina,

3678
03:06:24,060 --> 03:06:26,240
 and I wanted to express my opposition

3679
03:06:26,240 --> 03:06:28,520
 to the proposed bylaw amendment

3680
03:06:28,520 --> 03:06:31,250
 and the overall proposed development.

3681
03:06:31,250 --> 03:06:34,270
 So as a frequent visitor to the city's ESAs,

3682
03:06:34,270 --> 03:06:36,140
 such as Westminster Ponds,

3683
03:06:36,140 --> 03:06:37,920
 I'm deeply concerned about the condition

3684
03:06:37,920 --> 03:06:41,370
 of the city's natural green spaces.

3685
03:06:41,370 --> 03:06:43,220
 This proposed development will have a negative

3686
03:06:43,220 --> 03:06:43,580
 impact

3687
03:06:43,580 --> 03:06:45,440
 to the provincially significant wetland

3688
03:06:45,440 --> 03:06:47,290
 and environmentally significant areas,

3689
03:06:47,290 --> 03:06:49,370
 directly adjacent to development.

3690
03:06:49,370 --> 03:06:52,040
 This area is not only beneficial to wildlife

3691
03:06:52,040 --> 03:06:53,860
 that live and breed in the area,

3692
03:06:53,860 --> 03:06:56,080
 but to the many Londoners who visit the area as

3693
03:06:56,080 --> 03:06:56,750
 well.

3694
03:06:56,750 --> 03:06:58,370
 There's extensive research that shows the

3695
03:06:58,370 --> 03:06:58,760
 benefits

3696
03:06:58,760 --> 03:07:00,610
 of wetlands from flood prevention,

3697
03:07:00,610 --> 03:07:03,450
 cleaning our air and boosting local diversity,

3698
03:07:03,450 --> 03:07:05,800
 as well as health benefits and social benefits

3699
03:07:05,800 --> 03:07:08,720
 for being in nature with friends.

3700
03:07:08,720 --> 03:07:10,580
 The building of the four,

3701
03:07:10,580 --> 03:07:13,650
 the building of four 14-story high rises

3702
03:07:13,650 --> 03:07:17,000
 and large paved parking lots so close to the PSW

3703
03:07:17,000 --> 03:07:18,060
 and USA

3704
03:07:18,060 --> 03:07:20,970
 do not adequately leave a buffer that ensures

3705
03:07:20,970 --> 03:07:21,320
 there's no

3706
03:07:21,320 --> 03:07:25,040
 negative impact to the ecology of this ec

3707
03:07:25,040 --> 03:07:25,620
ologically

3708
03:07:25,620 --> 03:07:27,210
 sensitive area.

3709
03:07:27,210 --> 03:07:29,470
 This plan is a fitting example of the shifting

3710
03:07:29,470 --> 03:07:30,920
 baseline syndrome

3711
03:07:30,920 --> 03:07:33,000
 that we continue to fall into, where

3712
03:07:33,000 --> 03:07:35,140
 we continue to move the baseline on what we

3713
03:07:35,140 --> 03:07:35,430
 consider

3714
03:07:35,430 --> 03:07:38,270
 as conservation or protecting the environment

3715
03:07:38,270 --> 03:07:40,070
 in the wrong direction.

3716
03:07:40,070 --> 03:07:42,260
 We continue shrinking our ecologically sensitive

3717
03:07:42,260 --> 03:07:42,700
 areas.

3718
03:07:42,700 --> 03:07:44,180
 And eventually, the new baseline will

3719
03:07:44,180 --> 03:07:47,790
 be there is no ecologically sensitive area.

3720
03:07:47,790 --> 03:07:50,430
 The holding provisions in section 4.7 of the plan

3721
03:07:50,430 --> 03:07:51,510
 report

3722
03:07:51,510 --> 03:07:55,960
 also do not adequate to protecting the ecology of

3723
03:07:55,960 --> 03:07:56,470
 the area.

3724
03:07:56,470 --> 03:07:59,400
 The completed impact study that was mentioned in

3725
03:07:59,400 --> 03:08:00,060
 the report

3726
03:08:00,060 --> 03:08:02,400
 recommended buffers and mitigation measures to be

3727
03:08:02,400 --> 03:08:03,140
 made.

3728
03:08:03,140 --> 03:08:05,930
 I believe the proposed plan fails to achieve this

3729
03:08:05,930 --> 03:08:06,500
 effective

3730
03:08:06,500 --> 03:08:09,460
 buffer or mitigation development is only meters

3731
03:08:09,460 --> 03:08:09,750
 away

3732
03:08:09,750 --> 03:08:12,310
 from the ecologically sensitive area.

3733
03:08:12,310 --> 03:08:15,480
 In the proposed drawings, you could see the ponds

3734
03:08:15,480 --> 03:08:15,580
,

3735
03:08:15,520 --> 03:08:18,190
 which will be within feet of development

3736
03:08:18,190 --> 03:08:22,790
 that's not paved over by the parking space areas.

3737
03:08:22,790 --> 03:08:25,780
 So this will displace the many wildlife in area

3738
03:08:25,780 --> 03:08:28,640
 and impact how the public enjoys the area.

3739
03:08:28,640 --> 03:08:30,980
 So I respectfully ask the committee

3740
03:08:30,980 --> 03:08:33,810
 to reconsider this by-law zoning amendment

3741
03:08:33,810 --> 03:08:34,210
 request

3742
03:08:34,210 --> 03:08:36,280
 and development, thank you.

3743
03:08:36,280 --> 03:08:42,680
 - Thank you, I'll look for the next speaker.

3744
03:08:42,680 --> 03:08:44,320
 Please give us your name, you have five minutes.

3745
03:08:44,320 --> 03:08:46,160
 - Hi, my name is Darlene

3746
03:08:46,160 --> 03:08:49,210
 and I moved to London from Mississauga about 10

3747
03:08:49,210 --> 03:08:49,830
 years ago.

3748
03:08:49,830 --> 03:08:53,740
 I live in Black Friars area and I love London.

3749
03:08:53,740 --> 03:08:54,940
 When I first moved here, it was like,

3750
03:08:54,940 --> 03:08:57,980
 oh my God, it's so green here.

3751
03:08:57,980 --> 03:09:01,510
 You walk the ESA's, you see people photographing

3752
03:09:01,510 --> 03:09:01,890
 owls

3753
03:09:01,890 --> 03:09:05,450
 and just like all this wildlife and now I'm a nut

3754
03:09:05,450 --> 03:09:06,120
 for it.

3755
03:09:06,120 --> 03:09:08,520
 But I think if we care about our ESA's

3756
03:09:08,520 --> 03:09:10,890
 that we need to properly protect and support the

3757
03:09:10,890 --> 03:09:11,270
 spaces

3758
03:09:11,270 --> 03:09:14,070
 that we have, especially with the city wanting

3759
03:09:14,070 --> 03:09:16,180
 to have 33% tree canopy.

3760
03:09:16,180 --> 03:09:19,950
 interesting. I saw a satellite image recently of

3761
03:09:19,950 --> 03:09:23,690
 London and really the canopy is the ESA's

3762
03:09:23,690 --> 03:09:26,390
 and along the rivers where you really see that

3763
03:09:26,390 --> 03:09:28,880
 dark green space. So I thought that was kind

3764
03:09:28,880 --> 03:09:31,830
 of interesting. So it seems like development is

3765
03:09:31,830 --> 03:09:33,790
 happening and if it is, I think we need

3766
03:09:33,790 --> 03:09:37,740
 to put some safeguards into play. I want to make

3767
03:09:37,740 --> 03:09:39,710
 sure that nothing moves ahead until there's

3768
03:09:39,710 --> 03:09:42,120
 a clear plan in place to properly protect the

3769
03:09:42,120 --> 03:09:44,870
 surrounding environment with the consultation

3770
03:09:44,870 --> 03:09:47,730
 of the Upper Thames River Conservation Authority.

3771
03:09:47,730 --> 03:09:49,560
 If we can't stop it, I think we can make sure

3772
03:09:49,560 --> 03:09:50,650
 that it's done right.

3773
03:09:50,650 --> 03:09:53,160
 Thanks.

3774
03:09:53,160 --> 03:09:54,280
 Thank you.

3775
03:09:54,280 --> 03:09:57,490
 I'll look for our next speaker.

3776
03:09:57,490 --> 03:10:02,880
 So, Clerk, if there's anyone else online, there's

3777
03:10:02,880 --> 03:10:04,270
 no one online, I don't see anyone

3778
03:10:04,270 --> 03:10:05,750
 else approach the mic.

3779
03:10:05,750 --> 03:10:08,040
 So, I'll look for motion to close the PPM, Coun

3780
03:10:08,040 --> 03:10:12,030
cillor Cutty, I'll look for a seconder,

3781
03:10:12,030 --> 03:10:13,010
 Mayor.

3782
03:10:13,010 --> 03:10:26,900
 We'll call the vote.

3783
03:10:26,900 --> 03:10:27,850
 The motion carries.

3784
03:10:27,850 --> 03:10:29,110
 March is zero.

3785
03:10:29,110 --> 03:10:30,070
 Okay.

3786
03:10:30,070 --> 03:10:33,040
 I'll put this out for committee members and I'll

3787
03:10:33,040 --> 03:10:43,350
 go to Mayor Morgan.

3788
03:10:43,350 --> 03:10:46,480
 chair just wanted to tell myself. So I'm willing

3789
03:10:46,480 --> 03:10:48,190
 to put a motion on the floor

3790
03:10:48,190 --> 03:10:50,360
 which is an alternate motion to what the staff

3791
03:10:50,360 --> 03:10:52,690
 suggested. It has several

3792
03:10:52,690 --> 03:10:56,120
 additions. One, it addresses the 1.5 meter

3793
03:10:56,120 --> 03:10:58,590
 setback concern that would allow

3794
03:10:58,590 --> 03:11:02,140
 for the design to be a more affordable design as

3795
03:11:02,140 --> 03:11:04,050
 the developer suggested. I also

3796
03:11:04,050 --> 03:11:06,090
 don't have a challenge with the the difference

3797
03:11:06,090 --> 03:11:07,040
 between the indoor and

3798
03:11:07,040 --> 03:11:09,210
 outdoor rooftop amenities and the way that it's

3799
03:11:09,210 --> 03:11:10,740
 counted. So the alternate bylaw

3800
03:11:10,740 --> 03:11:14,900
 addresses that and allows for that. It adds two

3801
03:11:14,900 --> 03:11:17,260
 pieces to the site plan approval direction one

3802
03:11:17,260 --> 03:11:19,680
 and these are for consideration of the site plan

3803
03:11:19,680 --> 03:11:21,490
 process they're not requirements but

3804
03:11:21,490 --> 03:11:24,270
 consideration landscaping to include a minimum of

3805
03:11:24,270 --> 03:11:26,910
 50 percent native species with no invasive

3806
03:11:26,910 --> 03:11:29,710
 species planted and utilize bird friendly

3807
03:11:29,710 --> 03:11:32,880
 policies using the adopted CSA standard which we

3808
03:11:32,880 --> 03:11:33,440
 put in

3809
03:11:33,440 --> 03:11:36,290
 other applications before for site plan approval

3810
03:11:36,290 --> 03:11:38,780
 otherwise it's as staff recommended with those

3811
03:11:38,780 --> 03:11:40,810
 those changes, I'll put that on the floor.

3812
03:11:40,810 --> 03:11:42,620
 - Okay, Claire, do you have that up?

3813
03:11:42,620 --> 03:11:46,500
 And, okay, so if everyone gets a chance,

3814
03:11:46,500 --> 03:11:49,620
 so you can see the motion.

3815
03:11:49,620 --> 03:11:54,380
 And I'll look for a seconder once we've had time

3816
03:11:54,380 --> 03:11:55,190
 to rate it.

3817
03:11:55,190 --> 03:11:57,770
 Councillor Cudi, second that motion, Chair.

3818
03:11:57,770 --> 03:12:00,850
 Okay, Mayor, do you wanna speak to it?

3819
03:12:00,850 --> 03:12:03,330
 - I do, I'm sorry, my clock now, Chair.

3820
03:12:03,330 --> 03:12:04,600
 I'm gonna take some time to address this

3821
03:12:04,600 --> 03:12:07,000
 because I'm sure there are members of the gallery

3822
03:12:07,000 --> 03:12:11,270
 who stood up and said, listen, we really trust Mr

3823
03:12:11,270 --> 03:12:11,830
. Wake

3824
03:12:11,830 --> 03:12:13,390
 Mr. Samuels and you're probably sitting there

3825
03:12:13,390 --> 03:12:15,000
 wondering why they recommend us

3826
03:12:15,000 --> 03:12:17,980
 approving the development as constituted by staff

3827
03:12:17,980 --> 03:12:19,100
. So I just really want to

3828
03:12:19,100 --> 03:12:21,360
 explain this because I don't disagree with a lot

3829
03:12:21,360 --> 03:12:22,400
 of the concerns have been

3830
03:12:22,400 --> 03:12:25,490
 raised but people have to understand the reality

3831
03:12:25,490 --> 03:12:27,540
 of the situation it is today and

3832
03:12:27,540 --> 03:12:30,300
 what the current permissions are on the land.

3833
03:12:30,300 --> 03:12:31,690
 First it's important to recognize

3834
03:12:31,690 --> 03:12:33,990
 that there's already an approved plan of

3835
03:12:33,990 --> 03:12:36,150
 subdivision on this site which means

3836
03:12:36,150 --> 03:12:38,460
 without coming to council and just going to site

3837
03:12:38,460 --> 03:12:40,260
 plan authority there could be a

3838
03:12:40,260 --> 03:12:44,320
 a significant residential build on the site, a

3839
03:12:44,320 --> 03:12:47,120
 build on the site already, yes, not residential

3840
03:12:47,120 --> 03:12:49,640
 but a plan of subdivision build on the site

3841
03:12:49,640 --> 03:12:55,460
 already. So the rezoning application allows

3842
03:12:55,460 --> 03:12:57,630
 us to actually make some changes to what is

3843
03:12:57,630 --> 03:12:59,450
 already approved there. When you look at the

3844
03:12:59,450 --> 03:13:02,120
 actual zoning on the site, there is one small

3845
03:13:02,120 --> 03:13:04,940
 piece of open space otherwise it's a significant

3846
03:13:04,940 --> 03:13:06,970
 commercial zone and a massive light industrial

3847
03:13:06,970 --> 03:13:08,770
 zone and the light industrial zone is in the

3848
03:13:08,770 --> 03:13:11,960
 the furthest south portion of the block.

3849
03:13:11,960 --> 03:13:15,500
 It is a huge amount of development

3850
03:13:15,500 --> 03:13:17,570
 that overlays most of the area

3851
03:13:17,570 --> 03:13:20,110
 that people were expressing their concern about.

3852
03:13:20,110 --> 03:13:22,420
 What the development does is, yes, it allows for

3853
03:13:22,420 --> 03:13:23,330
 some density.

3854
03:13:23,330 --> 03:13:25,680
 Yes, it changes it from light industrial and

3855
03:13:25,680 --> 03:13:26,110
 commercial

3856
03:13:26,110 --> 03:13:28,660
 to a smaller block of land on that site

3857
03:13:28,660 --> 03:13:30,880
 tucked up against a commissioner's road

3858
03:13:30,880 --> 03:13:32,950
 and more to the west side of the block

3859
03:13:32,950 --> 03:13:35,380
 away from the existing ESA.

3860
03:13:35,380 --> 03:13:37,880
 And then it donates a huge portion

3861
03:13:37,880 --> 03:13:39,800
 that formerly light industrial and commercial

3862
03:13:39,800 --> 03:13:41,510
 land to the city to actually

3863
03:13:41,510 --> 03:13:45,110
 expand to protect the ESA forever. So I

3864
03:13:45,110 --> 03:13:46,440
 understand the concerns and I

3865
03:13:46,440 --> 03:13:48,400
 understand why people would say just don't

3866
03:13:48,400 --> 03:13:49,800
 approve it but the reality of

3867
03:13:49,800 --> 03:13:52,080
 today is the site can be developed in a way that

3868
03:13:52,080 --> 03:13:53,150
 you probably would disagree

3869
03:13:53,150 --> 03:13:56,350
 with more and if there's an opportunity for us to

3870
03:13:56,350 --> 03:13:57,940
 absorb a good portion of the

3871
03:13:57,940 --> 03:13:59,700
 site through a development agreement that allows

3872
03:13:59,700 --> 03:14:01,300
 for some density into the

3873
03:14:01,300 --> 03:14:03,980
 city's hands and expand the ESA and protect that

3874
03:14:03,980 --> 03:14:04,570
 portion of it that's

3875
03:14:04,570 --> 03:14:08,040
 transfer to the city forever, that's not a bad

3876
03:14:08,040 --> 03:14:10,840
 pathway moving forward if you care about

3877
03:14:10,840 --> 03:14:13,200
 the long-term protection of the ESA.

3878
03:14:13,200 --> 03:14:15,250
 One piece I want to mention to Mr. Wake, he didn

3879
03:14:15,250 --> 03:14:16,740
't mention it in his comments, but he

3880
03:14:16,740 --> 03:14:18,910
 did mention it in his letter, there's also an

3881
03:14:18,910 --> 03:14:20,910
 interesting history on this site, going

3882
03:14:20,910 --> 03:14:24,530
 back to when it was Westminster Township, and I

3883
03:14:24,530 --> 03:14:27,660
 totally agree with Mr. Wake, there might

3884
03:14:27,660 --> 03:14:29,360
 be some interesting placking here about the

3885
03:14:29,360 --> 03:14:31,090
 history of that through maybe the historic

3886
03:14:31,090 --> 03:14:33,260
 Worksites Committee of the London Public Library,

3887
03:14:33,260 --> 03:14:35,450
 I'd be happy to talk to you about that in

3888
03:14:35,450 --> 03:14:36,450
 a future date.

3889
03:14:36,450 --> 03:14:38,080
 I think there is some recognition of some history

3890
03:14:38,080 --> 03:14:39,240
 on that site there that wouldn't be

3891
03:14:39,240 --> 03:14:41,420
 part of this zoning process, but it's something

3892
03:14:41,420 --> 03:14:43,550
 that might be interesting to add to the site.

3893
03:14:43,550 --> 03:14:45,740
 I'm sure the applicant would be interested in

3894
03:14:45,740 --> 03:14:47,950
 recognizing it on a portion of the property

3895
03:14:47,950 --> 03:14:48,950
 somewhere.

3896
03:14:48,950 --> 03:14:54,230
 So, all that to say, I think I'm very much a prag

3897
03:14:54,230 --> 03:14:57,020
matist, right, and I can agree with

3898
03:14:57,020 --> 03:14:59,190
 a lot of what members of the gallery said, but

3899
03:14:59,190 --> 03:15:01,330
 also recognize that there are other really

3900
03:15:01,330 --> 03:15:03,560
 intelligent members of the gallery who share your

3901
03:15:03,560 --> 03:15:05,390
 opinions, who are asking us to go with

3902
03:15:05,390 --> 03:15:06,390
 the staff recommendation.

3903
03:15:06,390 --> 03:15:08,340
 And I'm trying to articulate the reasons for that

3904
03:15:08,340 --> 03:15:09,920
 so that you really understand it.

3905
03:15:09,920 --> 03:15:12,670
 To my colleagues on council, I think that this is

3906
03:15:12,670 --> 03:15:15,510
 a proposal that balances some intensification

3907
03:15:15,510 --> 03:15:16,510
 and housing.

3908
03:15:16,510 --> 03:15:18,160
 And there are many people in the audience who

3909
03:15:18,160 --> 03:15:19,820
 said we recognize we have a housing crisis

3910
03:15:19,820 --> 03:15:23,190
 that is steps from the under-constructed BRT

3911
03:15:23,190 --> 03:15:27,000
 route, very close to major employment centers

3912
03:15:27,000 --> 03:15:30,120
 in the city like the hospital and we have the

3913
03:15:30,120 --> 03:15:32,510
 opportunity to absorb and expand the ESA

3914
03:15:32,510 --> 03:15:35,170
 and take on a series of sensitive lands into a

3915
03:15:35,170 --> 03:15:38,240
 city ownership without having to pay a tremendous

3916
03:15:38,240 --> 03:15:40,740
 cost for acquiring them through a private process

3917
03:15:40,740 --> 03:15:43,490
, but as part of the development process we can

3918
03:15:43,490 --> 03:15:45,890
 take on and make that part of the city's property

3919
03:15:45,890 --> 03:15:48,190
. So I think this is actually a very balanced

3920
03:15:48,190 --> 03:15:51,670
 proposal that is on par in the best interests of

3921
03:15:51,670 --> 03:15:55,030
 both the city and its residents to be able to

3922
03:15:55,030 --> 03:15:57,070
 to expand to protect the ESA while at the same

3923
03:15:57,070 --> 03:15:57,300
 time

3924
03:15:57,300 --> 03:15:58,720
 addressing housing.

3925
03:15:58,720 --> 03:16:01,470
 Again, I just want to be clear.

3926
03:16:01,470 --> 03:16:03,260
 We have to make decisions based on what

3927
03:16:03,260 --> 03:16:04,600
 is already allowed on the site, too,

3928
03:16:04,600 --> 03:16:06,070
 and what can move forward without us.

3929
03:16:06,070 --> 03:16:07,420
 When there is an opportunity for us

3930
03:16:07,420 --> 03:16:09,050
 to shift that through a new development

3931
03:16:09,050 --> 03:16:10,040
 application,

3932
03:16:10,040 --> 03:16:12,200
 there's always opportunity for us to add a public

3933
03:16:12,200 --> 03:16:12,670
 good to this.

3934
03:16:12,670 --> 03:16:14,890
 And I think our staff have done an excellent job

3935
03:16:14,890 --> 03:16:17,100
 of saying, you want to intensify this site from

3936
03:16:17,100 --> 03:16:17,320
 what's

3937
03:16:17,320 --> 03:16:18,630
 already allowed on it?

3938
03:16:18,630 --> 03:16:19,170
 That's OK.

3939
03:16:19,170 --> 03:16:19,790
 We can do that.

3940
03:16:19,790 --> 03:16:21,950
 That aligns with the number of our policies.

3941
03:16:21,950 --> 03:16:23,610
 But we actually want to take on a significant

3942
03:16:23,610 --> 03:16:23,980
 portion

3943
03:16:23,980 --> 03:16:26,150
 of the sensitive lands into city ownership

3944
03:16:26,150 --> 03:16:27,710
 so that we can protect them in perpetuity.

3945
03:16:27,710 --> 03:16:30,030
 So I wanna commend our staff for going down that

3946
03:16:30,030 --> 03:16:30,700
 approach.

3947
03:16:30,700 --> 03:16:32,850
 I know that a number of members of the gallery

3948
03:16:32,850 --> 03:16:34,050
 were asking us not to do this,

3949
03:16:34,050 --> 03:16:36,760
 but I would invite you to look into this,

3950
03:16:36,760 --> 03:16:39,000
 speak with the two people who are in the gallery

3951
03:16:39,000 --> 03:16:41,390
 who articulated for us to do this

3952
03:16:41,390 --> 03:16:43,560
 and the reasons why I'm happy to engage with you

3953
03:16:43,560 --> 03:16:44,060
 too.

3954
03:16:44,060 --> 03:16:45,300
 And I know our staff are as well

3955
03:16:45,300 --> 03:16:47,850
 to further understand why we would do this

3956
03:16:47,850 --> 03:16:49,370
 if we agree with many of your comments

3957
03:16:49,370 --> 03:16:50,480
 about protecting the ESA.

3958
03:16:50,480 --> 03:16:53,190
 So I think I'll leave my comments at that, Mr.

3959
03:16:53,190 --> 03:16:53,510
 Chair,

3960
03:16:53,510 --> 03:16:56,350
 and I encourage staff to support my alternate

3961
03:16:56,350 --> 03:16:57,360
 recommendation.

3962
03:16:57,360 --> 03:16:59,100
 Our Councillors to support my alternate

3963
03:16:59,100 --> 03:17:00,250
 recommendation.

3964
03:17:00,250 --> 03:17:01,060
 - Thank you.

3965
03:17:01,060 --> 03:17:03,150
 I'll look for members of the committee,

3966
03:17:03,150 --> 03:17:09,210
 comments and visiting Councillors.

3967
03:17:09,210 --> 03:17:11,970
 Councillor Trusson.

3968
03:17:11,970 --> 03:17:14,380
 - If I understand it through the chair,

3969
03:17:14,380 --> 03:17:16,140
 we're just discussing the amendment.

3970
03:17:16,140 --> 03:17:18,710
 We're not discussing the main motion or.

3971
03:17:18,710 --> 03:17:21,160
 - This is a motion that has been put on the floor

3972
03:17:21,160 --> 03:17:21,800
.

3973
03:17:21,800 --> 03:17:26,260
 - Okay, I can't support this.

3974
03:17:26,260 --> 03:17:28,050
 I just can't support this.

3975
03:17:28,050 --> 03:17:30,020
 And I have the greatest respect for people who

3976
03:17:30,020 --> 03:17:31,070
 have said,

3977
03:17:31,070 --> 03:17:34,410
 We've got to go ahead with the holding provisions

3978
03:17:34,410 --> 03:17:35,410
.

3979
03:17:35,410 --> 03:17:38,260
 We don't, we don't.

3980
03:17:38,260 --> 03:17:40,460
 First question, is there anything in the

3981
03:17:40,460 --> 03:17:40,950
 memorandum

3982
03:17:40,950 --> 03:17:44,270
 of understanding from the previous LPAT decision

3983
03:17:44,270 --> 03:17:46,910
 that says we do not have to go through the EIS

3984
03:17:46,910 --> 03:17:48,470
 process?

3985
03:17:48,470 --> 03:17:52,140
 - I'll go staff.

3986
03:17:52,140 --> 03:17:54,440
 - Through the chair, the settlement decision

3987
03:17:54,440 --> 03:17:57,060
 established the ESA boundary line.

3988
03:17:57,060 --> 03:18:00,350
 The specific language within the settlement notes

3989
03:18:00,350 --> 03:18:01,220
 that

3990
03:18:01,220 --> 03:18:04,340
 parties, that there's nothing that contained in

3991
03:18:04,340 --> 03:18:04,730
 them,

3992
03:18:04,730 --> 03:18:06,690
 that shall limit or restrict normal exercise

3993
03:18:06,690 --> 03:18:09,520
 direction for city staff on new applications.

3994
03:18:09,520 --> 03:18:11,040
 And we do note that, however, we do have

3995
03:18:11,040 --> 03:18:11,710
 consideration

3996
03:18:11,710 --> 03:18:14,480
 for the existing settlement ESA boundary deline

3997
03:18:14,480 --> 03:18:15,070
ation.

3998
03:18:15,070 --> 03:18:16,980
 And through the holding provisions

3999
03:18:16,980 --> 03:18:19,740
 that we are proposing to carry forward in the

4000
03:18:19,740 --> 03:18:20,490
 site plan,

4001
03:18:20,490 --> 03:18:23,920
 we do believe that we will be able to satisfy

4002
03:18:23,920 --> 03:18:26,880
 the new application components

4003
03:18:26,880 --> 03:18:30,900
 by including compensation within the ESA lands.

4004
03:18:30,900 --> 03:18:34,320
 As the mayor mentioned, we are increasing the

4005
03:18:34,320 --> 03:18:34,930
 amount

4006
03:18:34,930 --> 03:18:38,880
 of open space in OS5 zoning as well as green

4007
03:18:38,880 --> 03:18:39,420
 space

4008
03:18:39,420 --> 03:18:42,910
 to the effect of approximately three hectares.

4009
03:18:42,910 --> 03:18:47,850
 And beyond that, we are meeting all of our PPS

4010
03:18:47,850 --> 03:18:48,110
 requirements

4011
03:18:48,110 --> 03:18:52,140
 and again, feel that it can be appropriately

4012
03:18:52,140 --> 03:18:52,690
 satisfied

4013
03:18:52,690 --> 03:18:55,260
 with the holding provisions through site plan.

4014
03:18:55,260 --> 03:18:57,370
 - Well, my question was merely whether there was

4015
03:18:57,370 --> 03:18:57,630
 anything

4016
03:18:57,630 --> 03:19:00,550
 in the, what we've been directed to do

4017
03:19:00,550 --> 03:19:02,890
 that says you don't have to do a full EIS

4018
03:19:02,890 --> 03:19:05,060
 and I take it the answer to that is we still have

4019
03:19:05,060 --> 03:19:05,320
 to do

4020
03:19:05,320 --> 03:19:08,330
 the EIS. And Steph did say it was pointed out by

4021
03:19:08,330 --> 03:19:10,280
 a few people in the audience that the

4022
03:19:10,280 --> 03:19:14,720
 EIS was unacceptable, incomplete, and needs more

4023
03:19:14,720 --> 03:19:18,560
 information. So I'd like to ask specifically,

4024
03:19:18,560 --> 03:19:21,650
 in order to make the EIS complete, acceptable,

4025
03:19:21,650 --> 03:19:24,810
 and not needing more information, what has

4026
03:19:24,810 --> 03:19:26,390
 to be done to it.

4027
03:19:26,390 --> 03:19:28,140
 >> Good stuff.

4028
03:19:28,140 --> 03:19:31,470
 >> Through the chair, the completeness component

4029
03:19:31,470 --> 03:19:33,700
 that we noted as part of our report was to

4030
03:19:33,700 --> 03:19:36,180
 to ensure that in perpetuity and moving forward

4031
03:19:36,180 --> 03:19:39,610
 through our policy, we would not be accepting EIS

4032
03:19:39,610 --> 03:19:39,770
s

4033
03:19:39,770 --> 03:19:42,720
 that don't include revisions to map five.

4034
03:19:42,720 --> 03:19:43,880
 So again, through the settlement,

4035
03:19:43,880 --> 03:19:46,030
 we established the EIS boundary,

4036
03:19:46,030 --> 03:19:48,190
 but the specific components of the ESA

4037
03:19:48,190 --> 03:19:49,640
 that would appear on map five,

4038
03:19:49,640 --> 03:19:51,340
 including significant woodlands,

4039
03:19:51,340 --> 03:19:54,890
 the various wetland components that are not PSWs,

4040
03:19:54,890 --> 03:19:57,550
 those pieces, those are complete application

4041
03:19:57,550 --> 03:19:58,080
 requirements,

4042
03:19:58,080 --> 03:20:01,140
 and we do have London Plan policy to require that

4043
03:20:01,140 --> 03:20:01,430
.

4044
03:20:01,430 --> 03:20:04,470
 However, we do note that a blank map that

4045
03:20:04,470 --> 03:20:08,010
 says map five revisions would satisfy that

4046
03:20:08,010 --> 03:20:09,090
 component.

4047
03:20:09,090 --> 03:20:11,800
 And then through this process and bringing the

4048
03:20:11,800 --> 03:20:12,430
 applications

4049
03:20:12,430 --> 03:20:15,650
 forward to council and committee,

4050
03:20:15,650 --> 03:20:18,390
 we are able to disagree with the process,

4051
03:20:18,390 --> 03:20:20,980
 but at least have a map to say to demonstrate,

4052
03:20:20,980 --> 03:20:22,210
 this is what you're proposing.

4053
03:20:22,210 --> 03:20:26,020
 This is what we believe that should be happening

4054
03:20:26,020 --> 03:20:26,320
 based

4055
03:20:26,320 --> 03:20:29,360
 on the findings of the EIS.

4056
03:20:29,360 --> 03:20:31,620
 So it would just be that map five component.

4057
03:20:31,620 --> 03:20:33,420
 - Thank you, Councilor.

4058
03:20:33,420 --> 03:20:36,660
 - If I made the statement that I'm trying to get

4059
03:20:36,660 --> 03:20:39,110
 to the bottom of what are the policy reasons

4060
03:20:39,110 --> 03:20:41,850
 underlying the EIS requirement?

4061
03:20:41,850 --> 03:20:44,570
 'Cause I think that's crucial to this discussion.

4062
03:20:44,570 --> 03:20:46,280
 Because on the one hand, we have a lot of reasons

4063
03:20:46,280 --> 03:20:48,830
 why we have to move forward with this.

4064
03:20:48,830 --> 03:20:50,520
 We can sort of solve all of our problems

4065
03:20:50,520 --> 03:20:53,870
 with holding provisions or site plan review.

4066
03:20:53,870 --> 03:20:58,980
 But the EIS serves as a document that should

4067
03:20:58,980 --> 03:20:59,080
 happen

4068
03:20:59,530 --> 03:21:01,820
 early in the process.

4069
03:21:01,820 --> 03:21:06,230
 The EIS should not be something that is left

4070
03:21:06,230 --> 03:21:07,770
 till after the fact.

4071
03:21:07,770 --> 03:21:10,910
 After the fact, it's not finished yet,

4072
03:21:10,910 --> 03:21:13,070
 but we're gonna sort of put a holding provision

4073
03:21:13,070 --> 03:21:13,410
 in

4074
03:21:13,410 --> 03:21:14,830
 to make sure it gets finished.

4075
03:21:14,830 --> 03:21:18,890
 And when I read through some of the guideline

4076
03:21:18,890 --> 03:21:19,380
 documents

4077
03:21:19,380 --> 03:21:22,110
 in some of the other cities, such as,

4078
03:21:22,110 --> 03:21:23,600
 and I don't have time to go through all these

4079
03:21:23,600 --> 03:21:29,940
 in my five minutes, but Hamilton's, Ottawa's,

4080
03:21:29,940 --> 03:21:34,270
 wealth, there's more specific language in those

4081
03:21:34,270 --> 03:21:34,770
 guideline

4082
03:21:34,770 --> 03:21:39,380
 documents that makes the specific point that the

4083
03:21:39,380 --> 03:21:39,760
 EIS

4084
03:21:39,760 --> 03:21:41,710
 has a framework document.

4085
03:21:41,710 --> 03:21:44,170
 And it has to come early in the process.

4086
03:21:44,170 --> 03:21:48,000
 So I analogize saying, well, you know, the EIS

4087
03:21:48,000 --> 03:21:48,540
 still needs

4088
03:21:48,540 --> 03:21:50,800
 work, but we'll fix it.

4089
03:21:50,800 --> 03:21:52,870
 In site plan review, we'll fix it.

4090
03:21:52,870 --> 03:21:55,030
 In a holding provision, I think that's a little

4091
03:21:55,030 --> 03:21:55,380
 bit like

4092
03:21:55,380 --> 03:21:58,900
 building a structure that has a faulty foundation

4093
03:21:58,900 --> 03:21:59,150
.

4094
03:21:59,150 --> 03:22:01,010
 But you'll say, well, the painters will fix

4095
03:22:01,010 --> 03:22:01,750
 everything later.

4096
03:22:01,750 --> 03:22:03,910
 Maybe they'll put a little spackle in some of the

4097
03:22:03,910 --> 03:22:04,370
 holes.

4098
03:22:04,370 --> 03:22:09,980
 We need to have a proper and complete and lawful

4099
03:22:09,980 --> 03:22:11,150
 EIS

4100
03:22:11,150 --> 03:22:12,710
 before we proceed.

4101
03:22:12,710 --> 03:22:17,360
 I will be asking, and that's why what I would

4102
03:22:17,360 --> 03:22:17,770
 want to say

4103
03:22:17,770 --> 03:22:18,990
 would be contrary to that.

4104
03:22:18,990 --> 03:22:20,720
 I would be voting against that.

4105
03:22:20,720 --> 03:22:23,090
 Before we even get to that point,

4106
03:22:23,090 --> 03:22:26,810
 I want to see a complete and certifiable EIS on

4107
03:22:26,810 --> 03:22:27,620
 the table.

4108
03:22:27,620 --> 03:22:32,390
 And the question I would ask is legal staff here?

4109
03:22:32,390 --> 03:22:35,490
 Okay, so the question I would ask legal staff is,

4110
03:22:35,490 --> 03:22:40,760
 what is the requirement for a complete accepted E

4111
03:22:40,760 --> 03:22:40,860
IS

4112
03:22:40,760 --> 03:22:45,650
 in terms of the validity of a project?

4113
03:22:45,650 --> 03:22:49,760
 Can a project be opposed on the grounds

4114
03:22:49,760 --> 03:22:52,180
 that the EIS was not complete?

4115
03:22:52,180 --> 03:22:55,200
 - Oh God, staff.

4116
03:22:55,200 --> 03:22:56,990
 - Thank you, and through you,

4117
03:22:56,990 --> 03:23:01,720
 so the determination as to whether to accept the

4118
03:23:01,720 --> 03:23:02,010
 EIS

4119
03:23:02,010 --> 03:23:04,390
 or as complete or not would be up to staff

4120
03:23:04,390 --> 03:23:06,450
 during the application review.

4121
03:23:06,450 --> 03:23:10,910
 And I expect that their test is PPS consistency.

4122
03:23:10,910 --> 03:23:13,730
 - Councilor, I understand that.

4123
03:23:13,730 --> 03:23:17,180
 And my question is, what is the remedy of the

4124
03:23:17,180 --> 03:23:17,670
 wrong?

4125
03:23:17,670 --> 03:23:20,400
 Would an aggrieved party who does not agree with

4126
03:23:20,400 --> 03:23:21,190
 the EIS

4127
03:23:21,190 --> 03:23:25,790
 be able to have a remedy to test the validity of

4128
03:23:25,790 --> 03:23:26,150
 the EIS?

4129
03:23:26,150 --> 03:23:29,960
 I'll go and stop.

4130
03:23:29,960 --> 03:23:32,880
 - Thank you, and through you that would be

4131
03:23:32,880 --> 03:23:33,450
 explored

4132
03:23:33,450 --> 03:23:36,420
 through the council approval process.

4133
03:23:36,420 --> 03:23:38,540
 And then also potentially subsequently

4134
03:23:38,540 --> 03:23:40,940
 through an appeal process.

4135
03:23:40,940 --> 03:23:41,770
 - Councilor.

4136
03:23:41,770 --> 03:23:42,600
 - Thank you.

4137
03:23:42,600 --> 03:23:43,790
 We're in the council approval process right now.

4138
03:23:43,790 --> 03:23:45,960
 So I'm trying to ask the question again.

4139
03:23:45,960 --> 03:23:48,180
 What is the implication of having an EIS

4140
03:23:48,180 --> 03:23:52,490
 that is not complete or up to standards?

4141
03:23:52,490 --> 03:23:57,290
 Could that jeopardize the subsequent appeals?

4142
03:23:57,290 --> 03:23:59,940
 Would it agree if party have the ability

4143
03:23:59,940 --> 03:24:04,230
 to test the validity of the EIS?

4144
03:24:04,230 --> 03:24:07,010
 - Got to go ahead and stop.

4145
03:24:07,010 --> 03:24:08,160
 - Thank you, through you.

4146
03:24:08,160 --> 03:24:13,560
 So Council right now is assessing the opinion

4147
03:24:13,560 --> 03:24:16,330
 with respect to the EIS.

4148
03:24:16,330 --> 03:24:19,590
 If Council's opinion is that the EIS is deficient

4149
03:24:19,590 --> 03:24:19,740
,

4150
03:24:19,740 --> 03:24:21,920
 then a refusal would follow.

4151
03:24:21,920 --> 03:24:24,850
 And if Council believes that the EIS is fine,

4152
03:24:24,850 --> 03:24:27,080
 then an approval would follow.

4153
03:24:27,080 --> 03:24:29,520
 - Council is already, Steph has already written

4154
03:24:29,520 --> 03:24:31,410
 through the chair, Steph is, I'm speaking fast

4155
03:24:31,410 --> 03:24:34,980
 'cause I know Steph has already said in the

4156
03:24:34,980 --> 03:24:35,310
 report

4157
03:24:35,310 --> 03:24:37,120
 that the EIS as it stands right now,

4158
03:24:37,120 --> 03:24:39,780
 which was dated back in September,

4159
03:24:39,780 --> 03:24:41,500
 does not meet standards and it needs more

4160
03:24:41,500 --> 03:24:43,320
 information and it's deficient.

4161
03:24:43,320 --> 03:24:46,780
 So why would this council not feel satisfied

4162
03:24:46,780 --> 03:24:49,410
 saying we are going to, unless we can get

4163
03:24:49,410 --> 03:24:53,690
 an extension from the developer to not go to the

4164
03:24:53,690 --> 03:24:57,110
 El Papagos of the time running out and

4165
03:24:57,110 --> 03:24:59,270
 we're going to refer this back pending the

4166
03:24:59,270 --> 03:25:00,390
 completion of an EIS.

4167
03:25:00,390 --> 03:25:03,600
 Why would this council not just say the EIS by

4168
03:25:03,600 --> 03:25:06,600
 the staff's own analysis is deficient.

4169
03:25:06,600 --> 03:25:08,960
 We're going to deny this project, and of course,

4170
03:25:08,960 --> 03:25:11,210
 that's without prejudice for the developer

4171
03:25:11,210 --> 03:25:13,410
 coming back with the proper EIS, once those

4172
03:25:13,410 --> 03:25:14,220
 deficiencies.

4173
03:25:14,220 --> 03:25:15,220
 30 seconds, Councillor.

4174
03:25:15,220 --> 03:25:17,540
 So I'm going to ask for additional time because I

4175
03:25:17,540 --> 03:25:19,440
 have a number of questions, but could you

4176
03:25:19,440 --> 03:25:21,790
 answer that one?

4177
03:25:21,790 --> 03:25:22,730
 I'm sorry.

4178
03:25:22,730 --> 03:25:26,770
 I didn't catch that?

4179
03:25:26,770 --> 03:25:27,750
 Yeah.

4180
03:25:27,750 --> 03:25:31,650
 I'll just take that last question from Steph.

4181
03:25:31,650 --> 03:25:32,610
 Okay.

4182
03:25:32,610 --> 03:25:33,580
 All right.

4183
03:25:33,580 --> 03:25:35,250
 I'll look for Councillor.

4184
03:25:35,250 --> 03:25:36,220
 Oh, I'm sorry.

4185
03:25:36,220 --> 03:25:37,190
 I thought you missed it.

4186
03:25:37,190 --> 03:25:38,410
 I'm sorry, Councillor.

4187
03:25:38,410 --> 03:25:41,660
 would this council not just say we're with the

4188
03:25:41,660 --> 03:25:43,590
 the staff has said the EIS is

4189
03:25:43,590 --> 03:25:45,930
 deficient and we have to like not approve it at

4190
03:25:45,930 --> 03:25:47,510
 this point and they need to come

4191
03:25:47,510 --> 03:25:50,440
 back with a complete EIS why would that not be

4192
03:25:50,440 --> 03:25:54,240
 okay I'm not too sure that you're

4193
03:25:54,240 --> 03:25:56,450
 saying you're asking rhetorical question why

4194
03:25:56,450 --> 03:25:57,500
 council would not in a

4195
03:25:57,500 --> 03:25:59,360
 certain way I'm not sure staff can comment on

4196
03:25:59,360 --> 03:26:01,710
 that well if the staff is

4197
03:26:01,710 --> 03:26:04,120
 already admitted that these that the EIS is

4198
03:26:04,120 --> 03:26:05,720
 deficient I don't think it's a

4199
03:26:05,720 --> 03:26:09,650
 rhetorical question and I really think that we're

4200
03:26:09,650 --> 03:26:10,790
 running we're running in

4201
03:26:10,790 --> 03:26:13,930
 to some very potentially perilous situations here

4202
03:26:13,930 --> 03:26:14,110
.

4203
03:26:14,110 --> 03:26:16,330
 I don't want to get dragged into a closed session

4204
03:26:16,330 --> 03:26:16,430
,

4205
03:26:16,330 --> 03:26:18,170
 but I think we could be looking at some

4206
03:26:18,170 --> 03:26:19,550
 additional litigation

4207
03:26:19,550 --> 03:26:22,310
 if we are not careful about making sure

4208
03:26:22,310 --> 03:26:25,680
 that this EIS is appropriate and complete

4209
03:26:25,680 --> 03:26:28,450
 before we finish this process.

4210
03:26:28,450 --> 03:26:31,210
 I will say more about this at the council.

4211
03:26:31,210 --> 03:26:34,190
 I will have an alternative motion at the table,

4212
03:26:34,190 --> 03:26:39,100
 but I think we need to have a proper EIS on the

4213
03:26:39,100 --> 03:26:39,200
 table,

4214
03:26:40,430 --> 03:26:42,430
 not something that's gonna get fixed

4215
03:26:42,430 --> 03:26:43,890
 by a conditioned subsequent,

4216
03:26:43,890 --> 03:26:47,660
 but something that is precedent to this project

4217
03:26:47,660 --> 03:26:50,150
 approval.

4218
03:26:50,150 --> 03:26:51,820
 - Thank you, Councillor.

4219
03:26:51,820 --> 03:26:58,550
 Councillor Frye.

4220
03:26:58,550 --> 03:27:00,300
 - Thank you, and I just have a couple questions

4221
03:27:00,300 --> 03:27:01,490
 through the chair.

4222
03:27:01,490 --> 03:27:03,810
 I'm wondering if staff can comment on

4223
03:27:03,810 --> 03:27:06,610
 if the previously approved application is better

4224
03:27:06,610 --> 03:27:07,320
 or worse

4225
03:27:07,320 --> 03:27:09,480
 for the environment in comparison to this

4226
03:27:09,480 --> 03:27:10,720
 application.

4227
03:27:10,720 --> 03:27:15,110
 - I'll go to staff.

4228
03:27:15,110 --> 03:27:16,870
 - Through the chair, as previously mentioned,

4229
03:27:16,870 --> 03:27:20,170
 the site is approximately 6.8 hectares in scale,

4230
03:27:20,170 --> 03:27:22,280
 and most of that would have been taken up

4231
03:27:22,280 --> 03:27:23,870
 with the previous development.

4232
03:27:23,870 --> 03:27:25,500
 So the fact that we are getting approximately

4233
03:27:25,500 --> 03:27:26,180
 three hectares

4234
03:27:26,180 --> 03:27:27,810
 that is coming into the green space place type

4235
03:27:27,810 --> 03:27:30,180
 and can eventually be added to the ESA management

4236
03:27:30,180 --> 03:27:31,000
 contract,

4237
03:27:31,000 --> 03:27:34,100
 which I will note as part of the track

4238
03:27:34,100 --> 03:27:37,990
 to pathway to target one areas

4239
03:27:37,990 --> 03:27:40,160
 and manage at the level of a national park.

4240
03:27:40,160 --> 03:27:43,530
 We do view it as a net benefit,

4241
03:27:43,530 --> 03:27:48,740
 moving forward with the revised proposal.

4242
03:27:48,740 --> 03:27:50,130
 - I'm sorry.

4243
03:27:50,130 --> 03:27:50,960
 - Thank you.

4244
03:27:50,960 --> 03:27:53,220
 And a couple more questions through the chair.

4245
03:27:53,220 --> 03:27:56,180
 will the full buffers be honored by the developer

4246
03:27:56,180 --> 03:27:58,120
 or are they asking for any exceptions?

4247
03:27:58,120 --> 03:28:01,990
 - Okay, staff.

4248
03:28:01,990 --> 03:28:02,830
 - Through the chair,

4249
03:28:02,830 --> 03:28:04,400
 the buffers were largely established through the

4250
03:28:04,400 --> 03:28:05,290
 settlement.

4251
03:28:05,290 --> 03:28:07,480
 So beyond the ESA delineation,

4252
03:28:07,480 --> 03:28:09,860
 we have enacted what has been proposed

4253
03:28:09,860 --> 03:28:11,970
 and agreed to as part of that settlement.

4254
03:28:11,970 --> 03:28:14,620
 But again, we do view it as a consistent with the

4255
03:28:14,620 --> 03:28:14,790
 PPS

4256
03:28:14,790 --> 03:28:17,910
 and to the benefit of the ESA.

4257
03:28:17,910 --> 03:28:19,620
 - No, sir.

4258
03:28:19,620 --> 03:28:21,090
 - Thank you, and in regards to the holding

4259
03:28:21,090 --> 03:28:21,610
 provision,

4260
03:28:21,610 --> 03:28:25,850
 the R10-4, in regards to the environmental

4261
03:28:25,850 --> 03:28:26,590
 conditions,

4262
03:28:26,630 --> 03:28:31,600
 Does that include inclusion for lids or bioswales

4263
03:28:31,600 --> 03:28:31,700
,

4264
03:28:31,600 --> 03:28:34,190
 or that require an additional site plan

4265
03:28:34,190 --> 03:28:36,360
 conditioned to be added to request that the

4266
03:28:36,360 --> 03:28:36,700
 developer

4267
03:28:36,700 --> 03:28:40,820
 include lids and bioswales near the parking lots?

4268
03:28:40,820 --> 03:28:48,210
 - I'll go to staff.

4269
03:28:48,210 --> 03:28:49,890
 - Through the chair, that would be in addition

4270
03:28:49,890 --> 03:28:52,360
 to the holding provisions on site.

4271
03:28:52,360 --> 03:28:53,420
 Thank you.

4272
03:28:53,420 --> 03:28:54,760
 - Councillor.

4273
03:28:54,760 --> 03:28:55,600
 - Thank you.

4274
03:28:55,600 --> 03:28:57,150
 That is something that I would consider adding at

4275
03:28:57,150 --> 03:28:57,510
 council

4276
03:28:57,510 --> 03:28:59,310
 as I do think since it's so close to some

4277
03:28:59,310 --> 03:28:59,780
 wetlands,

4278
03:28:59,780 --> 03:29:02,250
 nothing would be more sad than to see all of the

4279
03:29:02,250 --> 03:29:02,600
 salt

4280
03:29:02,600 --> 03:29:05,780
 used on the parking lot drain directly into the

4281
03:29:05,780 --> 03:29:06,660
 wetland.

4282
03:29:06,660 --> 03:29:08,930
 And I'm wondering, can we add the submission

4283
03:29:08,930 --> 03:29:11,790
 of a complete EIS as part of a holding provision

4284
03:29:11,790 --> 03:29:13,760
 before moving forward?

4285
03:29:13,760 --> 03:29:19,970
 - That'll go to staff.

4286
03:29:19,970 --> 03:29:21,390
 - Through the chair, I would recommend

4287
03:29:21,390 --> 03:29:24,200
 if you're looking to approve the zoning,

4288
03:29:24,200 --> 03:29:27,550
 it that it would be added as a condition of,

4289
03:29:27,550 --> 03:29:29,710
 or a direction to the site plan authority to

4290
03:29:29,710 --> 03:29:30,400
 consider

4291
03:29:30,400 --> 03:29:32,340
 if you would like an updated EIS.

4292
03:29:32,340 --> 03:29:35,000
 We can also just require that as part of the site

4293
03:29:35,000 --> 03:29:36,480
 plan process.

4294
03:29:36,480 --> 03:29:37,940
 - Councillor.

4295
03:29:37,940 --> 03:29:39,310
 - Thank you, it sounds like there'll be

4296
03:29:39,310 --> 03:29:41,420
 a couple of additions at council.

4297
03:29:41,420 --> 03:29:43,980
 And then I just wanted to also thank the mayor

4298
03:29:43,980 --> 03:29:45,690
 for adding the native species and bird friendly

4299
03:29:45,690 --> 03:29:46,120
 approvals.

4300
03:29:46,120 --> 03:29:47,830
 We heard that was important as well

4301
03:29:47,830 --> 03:29:49,340
 for many of the speakers.

4302
03:29:49,340 --> 03:29:52,710
 So at this point, originally I had planned

4303
03:29:52,710 --> 03:29:55,230
 to vote against this, but it has been brought to

4304
03:29:55,230 --> 03:29:55,710
 my attention

4305
03:29:55,710 --> 03:29:57,540
 that this is a slightly better version

4306
03:29:57,540 --> 03:29:58,770
 than what was the previous one.

4307
03:29:58,770 --> 03:30:01,090
 So I, between now and council, do a bit more

4308
03:30:01,090 --> 03:30:01,510
 research

4309
03:30:01,510 --> 03:30:04,180
 and consider it, but I do plan to bring a couple

4310
03:30:04,180 --> 03:30:04,810
 more additions

4311
03:30:04,810 --> 03:30:08,030
 to site plan at council to try and ensure

4312
03:30:08,030 --> 03:30:09,510
 as much protection as possible to the

4313
03:30:09,510 --> 03:30:10,460
 environmental space.

4314
03:30:10,460 --> 03:30:11,580
 Thanks.

4315
03:30:11,580 --> 03:30:14,000
 - Councillor Hopkins.

4316
03:30:14,000 --> 03:30:15,350
 - Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair.

4317
03:30:15,350 --> 03:30:17,500
 And I look forward, Councillor Frank,

4318
03:30:17,500 --> 03:30:19,450
 to see further amendments.

4319
03:30:19,450 --> 03:30:22,450
 I do have a couple of questions around the EIS as

4320
03:30:22,450 --> 03:30:22,940
 well.

4321
03:30:22,940 --> 03:30:24,610
 I'll throw you to staff.

4322
03:30:24,610 --> 03:30:29,750
 I do have some questions coming from the gallery

4323
03:30:29,750 --> 03:30:34,880
 about the transportation assessment.

4324
03:30:38,170 --> 03:30:40,310
 staff just give me an update on that

4325
03:30:40,310 --> 03:30:42,460
 transportation assessment with this

4326
03:30:42,460 --> 03:30:46,730
 application. I'll go staff. Thank you through

4327
03:30:46,730 --> 03:30:48,830
 through the chair. The TIA was

4328
03:30:48,830 --> 03:30:51,410
 reviewed by transportation staff in the

4329
03:30:51,410 --> 03:30:53,890
 conclusions where the the main East West

4330
03:30:53,890 --> 03:30:56,990
 traffic flow on Commissioners Road are operating

4331
03:30:56,990 --> 03:30:58,760
 at good levels of service now

4332
03:30:58,760 --> 03:31:03,130
 and in future conditions. However it did note

4333
03:31:03,130 --> 03:31:05,500
 that poor vehicle left-turn

4334
03:31:05,500 --> 03:31:07,810
 improvements to and from the site development

4335
03:31:07,810 --> 03:31:09,840
 were identified. So traffic

4336
03:31:09,840 --> 03:31:12,090
 signals at one of the new access locations would

4337
03:31:12,090 --> 03:31:13,070
 improve those left

4338
03:31:13,070 --> 03:31:15,520
 turn movements on to Commissioner's Road from the

4339
03:31:15,520 --> 03:31:17,210
 existing apartments to the

4340
03:31:17,210 --> 03:31:19,580
 north and from the new development but it's not

4341
03:31:19,580 --> 03:31:22,190
 warranted until beyond year 2030.

4342
03:31:22,190 --> 03:31:26,640
 So the city has noted that this that will

4343
03:31:26,640 --> 03:31:28,660
 continue to monitor the traffic

4344
03:31:28,660 --> 03:31:31,660
 conditions in the area and as the site plan

4345
03:31:31,660 --> 03:31:35,860
 advances. So that will still be

4346
03:31:35,860 --> 03:31:38,020
 considered through the site plan process, the

4347
03:31:38,020 --> 03:31:40,810
 upgrades on this road. I'm very familiar

4348
03:31:40,810 --> 03:31:44,920
 with this area moving around, and I know how

4349
03:31:44,920 --> 03:31:50,010
 congested it can be. I know the BRT is coming

4350
03:31:50,010 --> 03:31:53,850
 to this area as well, so it's appropriate for

4351
03:31:53,850 --> 03:31:57,490
 having the, I guess, the density in this

4352
03:31:57,490 --> 03:32:03,160
 area, the 14th story. I am, you know, I wasn't

4353
03:32:03,160 --> 03:32:05,820
 sure exactly how I was going to go with this

4354
03:32:05,820 --> 03:32:11,180
 one as well. The fact that we're getting more

4355
03:32:11,180 --> 03:32:14,320
 land to protect the ESA is something that

4356
03:32:14,320 --> 03:32:17,030
 is really, really important that we need to be

4357
03:32:17,030 --> 03:32:19,310
 able to do. And having that extra buffering

4358
03:32:19,310 --> 03:32:23,250
 I heard from the applicant, no development on the

4359
03:32:23,250 --> 03:32:27,260
 ESA, which is also important. So with

4360
03:32:27,260 --> 03:32:32,860
 that I do want to I'm leaning towards it I know

4361
03:32:32,860 --> 03:32:35,530
 this will go to council on the 28th

4362
03:32:35,530 --> 03:32:42,160
 for a further conversation with council so I I'm

4363
03:32:42,160 --> 03:32:44,970
 going to inquire a few more

4364
03:32:44,970 --> 03:32:47,520
 outstanding questions I have but I do want to

4365
03:32:47,520 --> 03:32:49,280
 thank the public and and the

4366
03:32:49,280 --> 03:32:53,810
 students in particular for being here it's so

4367
03:32:53,810 --> 03:32:57,450
 important that that we are that

4368
03:32:57,450 --> 03:33:00,520
 We have these conversations that we listen to one

4369
03:33:00,520 --> 03:33:01,140
 another,

4370
03:33:01,140 --> 03:33:03,340
 that we hear each other.

4371
03:33:03,340 --> 03:33:06,300
 It reminds me of an application many, many years

4372
03:33:06,300 --> 03:33:06,520
 ago

4373
03:33:06,520 --> 03:33:10,060
 that I was involved in over 20 years ago.

4374
03:33:10,060 --> 03:33:14,900
 And once you start to ask questions

4375
03:33:14,900 --> 03:33:18,590
 and hold us, your municipal government,

4376
03:33:18,590 --> 03:33:19,260
 accountable

4377
03:33:19,260 --> 03:33:24,070
 to having answers, it's really important,

4378
03:33:24,070 --> 03:33:25,220
 this engagement piece.

4379
03:33:25,220 --> 03:33:27,790
 We all learn, we may not all be happy

4380
03:33:27,790 --> 03:33:29,570
 with how things go forward.

4381
03:33:29,570 --> 03:33:33,550
 But it stays with us and we need to constantly be

4382
03:33:33,550 --> 03:33:34,060
 engaged

4383
03:33:34,060 --> 03:33:37,160
 'cause we know these ESAs, how important they are

4384
03:33:37,160 --> 03:33:38,310
 to our city.

4385
03:33:38,310 --> 03:33:40,180
 I know how I've heard from the public

4386
03:33:40,180 --> 03:33:43,470
 that it is so important that we maintain

4387
03:33:43,470 --> 03:33:46,430
 and we protect these areas and to have this

4388
03:33:46,430 --> 03:33:48,300
 conversation here

4389
03:33:48,300 --> 03:33:52,110
 with a development is very, very important and

4390
03:33:52,110 --> 03:33:52,490
 vital

4391
03:33:52,490 --> 03:33:54,740
 to our understanding as we go forward.

4392
03:33:54,740 --> 03:33:56,880
 So thank you for being here.

4393
03:33:56,880 --> 03:33:57,690
 - Thank you.

4394
03:33:57,690 --> 03:34:00,600
 I'll look for other speakers, Councillor Ferri.

4395
03:34:00,600 --> 03:34:01,850
 - Thank you, Chair.

4396
03:34:01,850 --> 03:34:05,100
 And thanks to staff for the report.

4397
03:34:05,100 --> 03:34:08,750
 I do, I feel like the real issue

4398
03:34:08,750 --> 03:34:10,940
 that's kind of being circulated around here

4399
03:34:10,940 --> 03:34:14,110
 is the fact that there is yet to be received

4400
03:34:14,110 --> 03:34:15,700
 in environmental impact study,

4401
03:34:15,700 --> 03:34:18,130
 but yet there is also a zoning bylaw amendment

4402
03:34:18,130 --> 03:34:19,520
 that could be approved here today

4403
03:34:19,520 --> 03:34:22,060
 and we're bringing that back to site plan.

4404
03:34:22,060 --> 03:34:23,650
 And I think that's kind of the main issue

4405
03:34:23,650 --> 03:34:25,670
 that's coming up, that's the main issue for me,

4406
03:34:25,670 --> 03:34:28,240
 especially when it comes to potentially approving

4407
03:34:28,240 --> 03:34:30,560
 a zoning by-law amendment and not having all the

4408
03:34:30,560 --> 03:34:31,620
 information.

4409
03:34:31,620 --> 03:34:33,310
 I don't know what the impact,

4410
03:34:33,310 --> 03:34:35,090
 or the environmental impact study is going to

4411
03:34:35,090 --> 03:34:35,340
 have.

4412
03:34:35,340 --> 03:34:37,020
 And, you know, that would be something

4413
03:34:37,020 --> 03:34:40,580
 that would be appreciated to be seen.

4414
03:34:40,580 --> 03:34:43,500
 I did hear that staff did say that, you know,

4415
03:34:43,500 --> 03:34:46,030
 according to our official plan policy,

4416
03:34:46,030 --> 03:34:48,700
 having the environmental impact study

4417
03:34:48,700 --> 03:34:51,660
 is something that we do require.

4418
03:34:51,660 --> 03:34:54,370
 And I did hear from Council Trustees comments

4419
03:34:54,370 --> 03:34:55,800
 having that as soon as possible

4420
03:34:55,800 --> 03:34:59,690
 rather than later at the site planning stage

4421
03:34:59,690 --> 03:35:01,590
 is something that we do have within our policy.

4422
03:35:01,590 --> 03:35:04,030
 So I guess, I know Councilor Truss

4423
03:35:04,030 --> 03:35:05,240
 would kind of ask this question,

4424
03:35:05,240 --> 03:35:08,430
 but if we were to refuse this zoning by-law

4425
03:35:08,430 --> 03:35:08,890
 amendment

4426
03:35:08,890 --> 03:35:11,760
 or the amendment that we have here on the floor

4427
03:35:11,760 --> 03:35:14,130
 because we don't have the impact assessment,

4428
03:35:14,130 --> 03:35:18,880
 what maybe legal might be able to answer this,

4429
03:35:18,880 --> 03:35:22,930
 but like the appealability of this at OLT,

4430
03:35:22,930 --> 03:35:26,050
 would we have potentially a good case there?

4431
03:35:26,050 --> 03:35:29,400
 Can we rightfully refuse this or send it back

4432
03:35:29,400 --> 03:35:32,460
 until we get the environmental impact study

4433
03:35:32,460 --> 03:35:34,820
 and then bring it back once we get that?

4434
03:35:34,820 --> 03:35:40,520
 - I'll go to staff.

4435
03:35:40,520 --> 03:35:43,140
 - Thank you and through you to provide that

4436
03:35:43,140 --> 03:35:43,900
 response,

4437
03:35:43,900 --> 03:35:47,220
 I would need to go into closed session.

4438
03:35:47,220 --> 03:35:50,250
 - Councillor, I can't move to go to closed

4439
03:35:50,250 --> 03:35:50,950
 session.

4440
03:35:50,950 --> 03:35:56,000
 I guess I'll leave that to committee,

4441
03:35:56,000 --> 03:35:58,130
 but maybe we should get that answer

4442
03:35:58,130 --> 03:35:59,560
 if you would move to go into closed session.

4443
03:35:59,560 --> 03:36:01,630
 But I'll continue with my questions.

4444
03:36:01,630 --> 03:36:03,030
 I did, just going through the report,

4445
03:36:03,030 --> 03:36:05,410
 I also saw that the climate emergency action plan

4446
03:36:05,410 --> 03:36:07,960
 not necessarily referenced there in the report.

4447
03:36:07,960 --> 03:36:09,950
 I did see in some of the comments from the public

4448
03:36:09,950 --> 03:36:11,900
 that that was considered as well.

4449
03:36:11,900 --> 03:36:13,460
 And just making note, you know,

4450
03:36:13,460 --> 03:36:17,590
 in addition to the targeting net zero greenhouse

4451
03:36:17,590 --> 03:36:18,090
 gases,

4452
03:36:18,090 --> 03:36:20,980
 emissions by 2050 and focusing on resilience,

4453
03:36:20,980 --> 03:36:23,080
 I do see it also includes protecting

4454
03:36:23,080 --> 03:36:24,750
 the environmentally significant areas.

4455
03:36:24,750 --> 03:36:28,410
 So I do see that maybe that would,

4456
03:36:28,410 --> 03:36:30,030
 because I don't really see that being touched on

4457
03:36:30,030 --> 03:36:30,660
 in the report

4458
03:36:30,660 --> 03:36:32,880
 And I also see that the environmental impact

4459
03:36:32,880 --> 03:36:33,130
 study

4460
03:36:33,130 --> 03:36:34,400
 is not necessarily there.

4461
03:36:34,400 --> 03:36:35,390
 I have those concerns.

4462
03:36:35,390 --> 03:36:39,020
 And when I see that, the surrounding lands to the

4463
03:36:39,020 --> 03:36:39,620
 east

4464
03:36:39,620 --> 03:36:42,810
 are the ESAs along the CN rail line.

4465
03:36:42,810 --> 03:36:45,870
 And then the south is the Westminster Pawns.

4466
03:36:45,870 --> 03:36:48,270
 These are the issues that are coming up

4467
03:36:48,270 --> 03:36:51,780
 that would restrain me from potentially approving

4468
03:36:51,780 --> 03:36:53,920
 something like this because I do want all that

4469
03:36:53,920 --> 03:36:55,500
 information.

4470
03:36:55,500 --> 03:36:57,830
 And I did hear from the gallery.

4471
03:36:57,830 --> 03:37:02,060
 like we could be potentially approving something

4472
03:37:02,060 --> 03:37:02,460
 that could

4473
03:37:02,460 --> 03:37:06,030
 irreparably remove significant lands.

4474
03:37:06,030 --> 03:37:10,250
 And we could be risking losing the loss of our

4475
03:37:10,250 --> 03:37:10,720
 wetlands

4476
03:37:10,720 --> 03:37:11,830
 and the provincial wetlands.

4477
03:37:11,830 --> 03:37:15,730
 And I hear, and I really appreciate the speakers

4478
03:37:15,730 --> 03:37:15,970
 who said

4479
03:37:15,970 --> 03:37:18,280
 they're proud to be Londoners because I'm very

4480
03:37:18,280 --> 03:37:18,480
 proud

4481
03:37:18,480 --> 03:37:19,990
 to be a Londoner as well.

4482
03:37:19,990 --> 03:37:23,610
 But I have this kind of anecdote that I hear,

4483
03:37:23,610 --> 03:37:25,050
 are we the forest city?

4484
03:37:25,050 --> 03:37:27,120
 And that is something that we say all the time.

4485
03:37:27,120 --> 03:37:30,260
 but the more we make decisions,

4486
03:37:30,260 --> 03:37:31,960
 I also fear that we risk, you know,

4487
03:37:31,960 --> 03:37:34,570
 are we the Forest City or that we're part

4488
03:37:34,570 --> 03:37:37,470
 of the Forest Cleared Forest City?

4489
03:37:37,470 --> 03:37:39,570
 And that's kind of the, I guess,

4490
03:37:39,570 --> 03:37:40,800
 when I reduce things down to,

4491
03:37:40,800 --> 03:37:42,450
 that's kind of what I'm thinking about.

4492
03:37:42,450 --> 03:37:43,790
 And I have some concerns with that.

4493
03:37:43,790 --> 03:37:47,270
 So at this time, I would be a little bit hesitant

4494
03:37:47,270 --> 03:37:48,220
 to approve this.

4495
03:37:48,220 --> 03:37:50,590
 I wouldn't approve this without that EIS.

4496
03:37:50,590 --> 03:37:52,020
 I would like to see that EIS.

4497
03:37:52,020 --> 03:37:56,820
 And I do see that that could give us standing

4498
03:37:56,820 --> 03:37:58,650
 on potentially sending this back.

4499
03:37:58,650 --> 03:38:00,360
 And I'm not saying to not approve,

4500
03:38:00,360 --> 03:38:02,530
 I'm just saying we should have all the

4501
03:38:02,530 --> 03:38:02,870
 information

4502
03:38:02,870 --> 03:38:06,060
 available in front of us before we make these

4503
03:38:06,060 --> 03:38:06,650
 decisions.

4504
03:38:06,650 --> 03:38:09,960
 So I'll leave my comments there for now.

4505
03:38:09,960 --> 03:38:12,470
 Actually, I do wanna ask one more question.

4506
03:38:12,470 --> 03:38:15,900
 I did hear from a member of the public

4507
03:38:15,900 --> 03:38:20,420
 who asked a question with respect to Bill 98.

4508
03:38:20,420 --> 03:38:24,240
 And I wanted to know if we were to approve this

4509
03:38:24,240 --> 03:38:25,270
 today

4510
03:38:25,270 --> 03:38:29,730
 and this would come back to site plan

4511
03:38:29,730 --> 03:38:31,540
 with some of the design issues.

4512
03:38:31,540 --> 03:38:33,950
 Would Bill 98 getting passed,

4513
03:38:33,950 --> 03:38:36,290
 and I don't know all the details of Bill 98,

4514
03:38:36,290 --> 03:38:38,010
 but, and I have her in down here,

4515
03:38:38,010 --> 03:38:40,690
 but if with Bill 98 being passed,

4516
03:38:40,690 --> 03:38:42,590
 would staff be able to give us an update

4517
03:38:42,590 --> 03:38:44,230
 on their understanding of the implications

4518
03:38:44,230 --> 03:38:46,740
 between the two?

4519
03:38:46,740 --> 03:38:49,340
 - I'm cautious to ask a hypothetical,

4520
03:38:49,340 --> 03:38:53,850
 but a lot of staff want to comment on the

4521
03:38:53,850 --> 03:38:54,570
 implications

4522
03:38:54,570 --> 03:39:00,280
 if Bill 98 doesn't go through.

4523
03:39:00,280 --> 03:39:04,180
 through the chair, with respect to Bill 98,

4524
03:39:04,180 --> 03:39:06,340
 today we're working within the

4525
03:39:06,340 --> 03:39:09,140
 current legislative requirements.

4526
03:39:09,140 --> 03:39:14,700
 Suspecting that if Bill 98 comes in at some point

4527
03:39:14,700 --> 03:39:16,890
 and the application for site plan hasn't come in,

4528
03:39:16,890 --> 03:39:19,830
 we have to have due regard with that legislation.

4529
03:39:19,830 --> 03:39:21,780
 Having said that, there are elements

4530
03:39:21,780 --> 03:39:24,150
 that maybe the applicant is wanting to do over

4531
03:39:24,150 --> 03:39:25,100
 and above

4532
03:39:25,100 --> 03:39:26,600
 what the legislative requirements are,

4533
03:39:26,600 --> 03:39:30,320
 but that's on the the onus of the applicant.

4534
03:39:30,320 --> 03:39:35,060
 - Councilor, I'll go back to you with 45 seconds.

4535
03:39:35,060 --> 03:39:35,890
 - All right, thank you.

4536
03:39:35,890 --> 03:39:37,680
 I'll just, I'll give some closing comments then.

4537
03:39:37,680 --> 03:39:39,350
 I would like to see if we could go into camera

4538
03:39:39,350 --> 03:39:41,570
 to ask to see if we can get that question

4539
03:39:41,570 --> 03:39:42,010
 answered

4540
03:39:42,010 --> 03:39:44,150
 from our city legal team.

4541
03:39:44,150 --> 03:39:46,140
 And I'd also say, you know,

4542
03:39:46,140 --> 03:39:48,400
 it's just kind of making these decisions

4543
03:39:48,400 --> 03:39:52,650
 and weighing out whether what's the impact for

4544
03:39:52,650 --> 03:39:53,470
 our environment,

4545
03:39:53,470 --> 03:39:58,060
 what could be irreparably taken away for housing?

4546
03:39:58,060 --> 03:40:00,210
 Is it affordable housing?

4547
03:40:00,210 --> 03:40:02,150
 It's just there's a lot of things that we're

4548
03:40:02,150 --> 03:40:04,380
 trying to weigh out here, but without the all the

4549
03:40:04,380 --> 03:40:05,350
 information in front of us

4550
03:40:05,350 --> 03:40:07,580
 I wouldn't be able to support an application like

4551
03:40:07,580 --> 03:40:09,820
 this if I had that information if I had the EIS

4552
03:40:09,820 --> 03:40:11,610
 specifically that would help me

4553
03:40:11,610 --> 03:40:14,780
 In my understanding here, and I really believe

4554
03:40:14,780 --> 03:40:17,240
 that you know approving a zoning bylaw amendment

4555
03:40:17,240 --> 03:40:17,980
 at this stage

4556
03:40:17,980 --> 03:40:20,750
 We should really have that EIS in front of us.

4557
03:40:20,750 --> 03:40:23,400
 Thank you. I'll look for other comments or

4558
03:40:23,400 --> 03:40:26,700
 questions from video or account of his encounters

4559
03:40:26,700 --> 03:40:33,600
 Seeing none of the committee will permit comments

4560
03:40:33,600 --> 03:40:34,170
 from the chair

4561
03:40:34,170 --> 03:40:37,500
 I want to direct it to the students.

4562
03:40:37,500 --> 03:40:39,170
 Thank you for coming in today.

4563
03:40:39,170 --> 03:40:41,860
 It's a tough job.

4564
03:40:41,860 --> 03:40:44,010
 It's kind of nerve wracking having to speak in

4565
03:40:44,010 --> 03:40:45,020
 this room.

4566
03:40:45,020 --> 03:40:47,400
 And you guys did a great job.

4567
03:40:47,400 --> 03:40:50,020
 And to your teacher, thank you for getting your

4568
03:40:50,020 --> 03:40:51,210
 class involved.

4569
03:40:51,210 --> 03:40:52,120
 This is very important.

4570
03:40:52,120 --> 03:40:55,470
 And I think it was great that you sat here today

4571
03:40:55,470 --> 03:40:59,240
 to see how it works at this level.

4572
03:40:59,240 --> 03:41:02,140
 You can hear a lot of various opinions from those

4573
03:41:02,140 --> 03:41:02,240
 who

4574
03:41:02,220 --> 03:41:05,670
 spoke and from those that sit down here.

4575
03:41:05,670 --> 03:41:10,270
 I don't think we're that far off on what you're

4576
03:41:10,270 --> 03:41:11,010
 thinking.

4577
03:41:11,010 --> 03:41:13,140
 I think Westminster Ponds and the other

4578
03:41:13,140 --> 03:41:15,350
 environmentally

4579
03:41:15,350 --> 03:41:18,620
 sensitive areas in our city are crucial to a good

4580
03:41:18,620 --> 03:41:22,210
 city.

4581
03:41:22,210 --> 03:41:25,710
 In an urban environment, we have to work with

4582
03:41:25,710 --> 03:41:26,480
 those areas.

4583
03:41:26,480 --> 03:41:27,970
 How do we do that?

4584
03:41:27,970 --> 03:41:30,500
 And I think the London Plan speaks to something

4585
03:41:30,500 --> 03:41:33,810
 that you spoke to, and that's a concern for our

4586
03:41:33,810 --> 03:41:35,050
 environment.

4587
03:41:35,050 --> 03:41:37,700
 London Plan encouraged a number of things,

4588
03:41:37,700 --> 03:41:40,540
 primarily with transportation. That's why we have

4589
03:41:40,540 --> 03:41:41,840
 rapid

4590
03:41:41,840 --> 03:41:43,970
 transit, which is very close by to this

4591
03:41:43,970 --> 03:41:46,760
 development, and also encouraged to high

4592
03:41:46,760 --> 03:41:47,460
 development near

4593
03:41:47,460 --> 03:41:50,380
 where people work. That's why I've been

4594
03:41:50,380 --> 03:41:54,920
 supportive of high density downtown. What better

4595
03:41:54,920 --> 03:41:55,630
 way to

4596
03:41:55,630 --> 03:41:58,130
 keep a carbon footprint low than not to drive a

4597
03:41:58,130 --> 03:42:01,210
 car, but to just walk across the street to work

4598
03:42:01,210 --> 03:42:05,390
 there's 10,000 people working. So this provides 8

4599
03:42:05,390 --> 03:42:08,700
68 units to address the housing challenges that

4600
03:42:08,700 --> 03:42:12,560
 pretty much everyone acknowledged but in a way

4601
03:42:12,560 --> 03:42:16,320
 that I think is appropriate to access high-order

4602
03:42:16,320 --> 03:42:20,200
 transit and also to where they live. I'm also

4603
03:42:20,200 --> 03:42:23,110
 encouraged by the fact that we're not encroaching

4604
03:42:23,110 --> 03:42:26,740
 onto the environmentally sensitive area but we're

4605
03:42:26,740 --> 03:42:29,850
 giving three actors back and that's a lot of

4606
03:42:29,850 --> 03:42:32,530
 That's a lot of land. Three hectares is a lot of

4607
03:42:32,530 --> 03:42:34,490
 land. So I'm glad to see that.

4608
03:42:34,490 --> 03:42:37,590
 You know, it's not the first time we've done it.

4609
03:42:37,590 --> 03:42:39,730
 In my ward, there's a

4610
03:42:39,730 --> 03:42:44,470
 provincially recognized ecological sensitive area

4611
03:42:44,470 --> 03:42:47,180
, Siftenbok. And at one time,

4612
03:42:47,180 --> 03:42:48,960
 the Siftenbok was just in the middle of the

4613
03:42:48,960 --> 03:42:51,430
 countryside. Now it's completely

4614
03:42:51,430 --> 03:42:55,860
 surrounded with residential and commercial, and

4615
03:42:55,860 --> 03:42:57,280
 it thrives. And I

4616
03:42:57,280 --> 03:42:59,400
 encourage you, if you haven't been there lately,

4617
03:42:59,400 --> 03:43:00,740
 to take a walk on the board walk

4618
03:43:00,740 --> 03:43:03,150
 through it or the natural trails that go around

4619
03:43:03,150 --> 03:43:07,090
 it, it's a terrific area. And you see what

4620
03:43:07,090 --> 03:43:07,650
 wetlands

4621
03:43:07,650 --> 03:43:11,410
 can be and should be. And we're able to do both.

4622
03:43:11,410 --> 03:43:13,810
 And I think in this particular case,

4623
03:43:13,810 --> 03:43:18,000
 we can. So for those reasons, I'm going to

4624
03:43:18,000 --> 03:43:21,880
 support the motion. I think there's a chance to

4625
03:43:21,880 --> 03:43:22,990
 address

4626
03:43:24,060 --> 03:43:28,610
 are housing needs, for sure, but in a way,

4627
03:43:28,610 --> 03:43:31,770
 that's environmentally sensitive for the reasons

4628
03:43:31,770 --> 03:43:36,410
 that I listed, so I will be supporting it.

4629
03:43:36,410 --> 03:43:39,300
 So I'll look for any other comments or questions

4630
03:43:39,300 --> 03:43:41,920
 before I call the vote.

4631
03:43:41,920 --> 03:43:49,330
 Seeing none, I'll call the vote.

4632
03:43:49,330 --> 03:43:52,230
 I'm sorry, Councilor, you're out of time.

4633
03:43:52,230 --> 03:44:08,280
 I know I've called the vote.

4634
03:44:08,280 --> 03:44:10,370
 - I was thinking about the motion carries part to

4635
03:44:10,370 --> 03:44:11,750
 zero.

4636
03:44:11,750 --> 03:44:13,200
 - Okay, moving on to 3.8.

4637
03:44:13,200 --> 03:44:15,180
 This is regarding the Kelly Stanton

4638
03:44:15,180 --> 03:44:17,390
 environmentally significant area of conservation,

4639
03:44:17,390 --> 03:44:30,700
 master plan phase one.

4640
03:44:30,700 --> 03:44:33,040
 So I'll look for a motion to open the PPM.

4641
03:44:33,040 --> 03:44:36,920
 Councilor Cuddy, I'll look for a seconder, the

4642
03:44:36,920 --> 03:44:40,190
 mayor.

4643
03:44:40,190 --> 03:44:53,190
 - I'm in favor, I've logged out.

4644
03:44:53,190 --> 03:46:21,590
 - Closing about the motion carries four to zero.

4645
03:46:21,590 --> 03:46:23,180
 - Apologize for the delay folks.

4646
03:46:23,180 --> 03:46:25,130
 The mayor had to step out.

4647
03:46:25,130 --> 03:46:58,050
 So we're just ensuring that we have quorum here.

4648
03:46:58,050 --> 03:47:01,180
 Okay, got that sorted out.

4649
03:47:01,180 --> 03:47:04,620
 So I'm looking for a motion to open the PPM.

4650
03:47:04,620 --> 03:47:07,300
 Councilor Cuddy, I'll second it, we'll call that

4651
03:47:07,300 --> 03:47:07,660
 vote.

4652
03:47:07,660 --> 03:47:10,550
 - Where'd he go?

4653
03:47:10,550 --> 03:47:14,110
 already we already opened it okay thank you so I

4654
03:47:14,110 --> 03:47:15,750
'll look for members of public

4655
03:47:15,750 --> 03:47:23,930
 would like to address the committee please please

4656
03:47:23,930 --> 03:47:24,790
 go ahead you have five

4657
03:47:24,790 --> 03:47:27,720
 minutes my name is Anna Maria Velastro I've

4658
03:47:27,720 --> 03:47:30,250
 documented this area extensively I've

4659
03:47:30,250 --> 03:47:34,490
 walked it's all the way from the proposed Gain

4660
03:47:34,490 --> 03:47:36,440
esville Road all the way to the

4661
03:47:36,440 --> 03:47:39,610
 mouth of the Thames River where it merges with

4662
03:47:39,610 --> 03:47:41,010
 the Thames River I've walked

4663
03:47:41,010 --> 03:47:45,990
 under the very scary culvert that goes under the

4664
03:47:45,990 --> 03:47:48,560
 CP rail line and we've walked

4665
03:47:48,560 --> 03:47:50,740
 the creek down the middle, the creek all the way

4666
03:47:50,740 --> 03:47:54,760
 to the Thames River. And while I am pleased

4667
03:47:54,760 --> 03:47:58,000
 that there is an ESA being proposed here, my fear

4668
03:47:58,000 --> 03:48:00,770
 is that it's going to suffer the fate of the

4669
03:48:00,770 --> 03:48:04,300
 Siften Bog, which is actually not in good health.

4670
03:48:04,300 --> 03:48:07,290
 It is dying. I'm going to contact that teacher

4671
03:48:07,290 --> 03:48:10,500
 and those kids and let them know that there are

4672
03:48:10,500 --> 03:48:13,280
 problems with the Siften Bog because it has been

4673
03:48:13,280 --> 03:48:17,870
 developed all the way around and it's actually

4674
03:48:17,870 --> 03:48:19,160
 shrinking and that's why the

4675
03:48:19,160 --> 03:48:21,290
 Upper Thames River Conservation Authority

4676
03:48:21,290 --> 03:48:23,800
 purchased land to help it by

4677
03:48:23,800 --> 03:48:28,610
 expanding it along High Park Road. Okay so it's

4678
03:48:28,610 --> 03:48:30,500
 just important to understand

4679
03:48:30,500 --> 03:48:35,420
 these things. So the the Stanton we call it Sing

4680
03:48:35,420 --> 03:48:37,920
ing Frog Creek. We named the

4681
03:48:37,920 --> 03:48:40,060
 Creek Singing Frog Creek at the time we were

4682
03:48:40,060 --> 03:48:41,660
 walking it and trying to raise

4683
03:48:41,660 --> 03:48:45,930
 public awareness about the ESA, that in its

4684
03:48:45,930 --> 03:48:49,560
 current state it will also die because unless

4685
03:48:49,560 --> 03:48:53,350
 the city purchases the farmland, then what is now

4686
03:48:53,350 --> 03:48:57,140
 a defunct farm fields, that goes over

4687
03:48:57,140 --> 03:49:01,240
 the Hunt Club lands and out along over the Hunt

4688
03:49:01,240 --> 03:49:04,310
 Club neighborhood and then it over into

4689
03:49:04,310 --> 03:49:09,240
 the Hunt Club golf course area, that ESA will

4690
03:49:09,240 --> 03:49:12,760
 have the same fate as a sift and bog because

4691
03:49:12,760 --> 03:49:16,630
 It's too small right now and it's a beautiful,

4692
03:49:16,630 --> 03:49:19,820
 beautiful place and it's worth protecting.

4693
03:49:19,820 --> 03:49:24,040
 So my understanding now that those farm fields

4694
03:49:24,040 --> 03:49:28,950
 are owned by South Southside and the city

4695
03:49:28,950 --> 03:49:32,500
 should actively pursue expanding and restoring

4696
03:49:32,500 --> 03:49:35,780
 the ESA so it can actually live and support

4697
03:49:35,780 --> 03:49:39,070
 the wildlife that are there because the city has

4698
03:49:39,070 --> 03:49:42,080
 already done a lot of damage to the lands

4699
03:49:42,080 --> 03:49:45,920
 on the south side of the ESA by turning it into a

4700
03:49:45,920 --> 03:49:50,750
 stormwater drain, and it removed all

4701
03:49:50,750 --> 03:49:54,670
 the function of the creek, the spring overflow,

4702
03:49:54,670 --> 03:49:58,070
 which again is very important because it's

4703
03:49:58,070 --> 03:50:01,050
 amphibian spawning ground and fish spawning

4704
03:50:01,050 --> 03:50:04,480
 ground, and there's already been a lot of

4705
03:50:04,480 --> 03:50:07,700
 damage to the ESA. And so while this is a

4706
03:50:07,700 --> 03:50:10,910
 wonderful thing that they're protecting these

4707
03:50:10,910 --> 03:50:15,320
 two parcels of land, it's not enough. And let's

4708
03:50:15,320 --> 03:50:17,190
 not kid ourselves by saying

4709
03:50:17,190 --> 03:50:19,940
 that things like the sift and bog are doing well

4710
03:50:19,940 --> 03:50:22,460
 when they're not. And we need

4711
03:50:22,460 --> 03:50:25,690
 to understand why it's not. And to foresee what

4712
03:50:25,690 --> 03:50:26,680
 is going to happen to

4713
03:50:26,680 --> 03:50:30,260
 this ESA, if we don't follow the creek all the

4714
03:50:30,260 --> 03:50:31,140
 way

4715
03:50:31,140 --> 03:50:33,800
 and protect those lands all the way to the mouth

4716
03:50:33,800 --> 03:50:34,480
 of the river,

4717
03:50:34,480 --> 03:50:37,740
 when you get down to the closer to the hunt club,

4718
03:50:37,740 --> 03:50:41,760
 the houses are right up against the ridge and so

4719
03:50:41,760 --> 03:50:44,030
 the only hope there is to acquire the

4720
03:50:44,030 --> 03:50:47,340
 lands on the other side and maybe we can just do

4721
03:50:47,340 --> 03:50:51,460
 the right thing for once. Let's just do the right

4722
03:50:51,460 --> 03:50:54,360
 thing for once, protect the lands that are here

4723
03:50:54,360 --> 03:50:57,000
 and then pursue restoring the lands that take it

4724
03:50:57,000 --> 03:50:59,450
 all the way to the river because that's the

4725
03:50:59,450 --> 03:51:03,400
 wildlife corridor. So let's not pretend that what

4726
03:51:03,400 --> 03:51:03,660
 we're

4727
03:51:03,660 --> 03:51:07,880
 doing is somehow great and thriving. It's just a

4728
03:51:07,880 --> 03:51:11,590
 see it as a first step to expand the ESA all the

4729
03:51:11,590 --> 03:51:15,070
 way to the river. Thank you. Thank you. I'll look

4730
03:51:15,070 --> 03:51:20,020
 for the next speaker. Last click if there's

4731
03:51:20,020 --> 03:51:20,400
 anyone

4732
03:51:20,400 --> 03:51:26,360
 online. I don't see anyone going to the mic. So I

4733
03:51:26,360 --> 03:51:28,610
'll look for motion to close the PPM.

4734
03:51:28,610 --> 03:51:35,040
 I'll look for a motion for someone. Councilor

4735
03:51:35,040 --> 03:51:37,510
 Stevenson and I'll second it. We'll call the vote

4736
03:51:37,510 --> 03:51:37,620
.

4737
03:51:37,620 --> 03:51:49,030
 So, Steve is in votes. Yes. Put this up. Sorry,

4738
03:51:49,030 --> 03:51:49,980
 clerk. Wait, please.

4739
03:51:49,980 --> 03:51:54,050
 Closing the vote. The motion carries three to

4740
03:51:54,050 --> 03:51:54,270
 zero.

4741
03:51:54,270 --> 03:51:56,410
 Thank you. So, I'll look for a motion from

4742
03:51:56,410 --> 03:51:56,860
 committee.

4743
03:51:56,860 --> 03:52:00,500
 Councilor Cutty. Thank you. Sure. I'll move staff

4744
03:52:00,500 --> 03:52:01,090
 recommendation.

4745
03:52:01,090 --> 03:52:03,260
 Thank you. Councilor Stephen seconded. I'll look

4746
03:52:03,260 --> 03:52:04,570
 for any comments or

4747
03:52:04,570 --> 03:52:08,840
 questions for staff. Seeing none, I'll call the

4748
03:52:08,840 --> 03:52:09,200
 vote.

4749
03:52:09,200 --> 03:52:32,390
 There's Stevenson. I vote yes. Closing the vote.

4750
03:52:32,390 --> 03:52:34,280
 The motion carries three to zero.

4751
03:52:34,280 --> 03:52:39,670
 Thank you. Moving on to 3.9. This is again

4752
03:52:39,670 --> 03:52:40,640
 regarding Kalelei

4753
03:52:40,640 --> 03:52:43,330
 metal metals environmentally significant area

4754
03:52:43,330 --> 03:52:45,900
 conservation master plan phase one

4755
03:52:45,900 --> 03:52:49,820
 all of her motion to open the ppm counselor cutty

4756
03:52:49,820 --> 03:52:50,740
 I'll second it we'll call

4757
03:52:50,740 --> 03:53:00,820
 the vote yes closing the vote the motion carries

4758
03:53:00,820 --> 03:53:03,490
 three to zero look for anyone

4759
03:53:03,490 --> 03:53:08,790
 that would like to address me on this one please

4760
03:53:08,790 --> 03:53:09,680
 go ahead you have five

4761
03:53:09,680 --> 03:53:14,730
 minutes burn in Samuels and generally very

4762
03:53:14,730 --> 03:53:16,900
 supportive of the draft that you

4763
03:53:16,900 --> 03:53:19,640
 see before you one thing I really respect about

4764
03:53:19,640 --> 03:53:21,850
 London is how seriously we take

4765
03:53:21,850 --> 03:53:24,510
 these conservation master plans when it comes to

4766
03:53:24,510 --> 03:53:25,880
 ESA's. I just wanted to

4767
03:53:25,880 --> 03:53:28,670
 highlight that in both this draft and the

4768
03:53:28,670 --> 03:53:30,920
 previous one for Kelly Stanton there's

4769
03:53:30,920 --> 03:53:33,860
 notes about invasive plant species that are

4770
03:53:33,860 --> 03:53:36,460
 present within the ESA and I can't

4771
03:53:36,460 --> 03:53:39,190
 stress enough that we really do not have a good

4772
03:53:39,190 --> 03:53:41,550
 handle on these. A lot of these

4773
03:53:41,550 --> 03:53:44,190
 invasive plants take over and they spread like

4774
03:53:44,190 --> 03:53:45,610
 crazy and cause massive

4775
03:53:45,610 --> 03:53:48,110
 ecological damage and a lot of these plants

4776
03:53:48,110 --> 03:53:50,300
 actually originate from properties

4777
03:53:50,300 --> 03:53:54,020
 adjacent to the ESA. So homeowners with backyards

4778
03:53:54,020 --> 03:53:55,430
 that back on to the ESA

4779
03:53:55,430 --> 03:53:57,840
 potentially not realizing that dumping their yard

4780
03:53:57,840 --> 03:53:59,300
 waste over the fence creates

4781
03:53:59,300 --> 03:54:02,180
 secondary issues. A lot of these species are

4782
03:54:02,180 --> 03:54:04,450
 actually distributed in retail

4783
03:54:04,450 --> 03:54:07,280
 settings in London. So autumn olive for example

4784
03:54:07,280 --> 03:54:08,820
 is a popular ornamental plant.

4785
03:54:08,820 --> 03:54:11,070
 Honey suckles can be bought at many garden

4786
03:54:11,070 --> 03:54:12,720
 centers and we currently don't

4787
03:54:12,720 --> 03:54:15,790
 have much in the way of education about invasive

4788
03:54:15,790 --> 03:54:17,460
 plants by way of preventing

4789
03:54:17,460 --> 03:54:20,800
 introductions to the ESA. So I note that in the

4790
03:54:20,800 --> 03:54:24,870
 previous the Kelly Stanton file, there was an

4791
03:54:24,870 --> 03:54:27,540
 excerpt that said the species listed in table

4792
03:54:27,540 --> 03:54:30,270
 seven may require targeted and aggressive

4793
03:54:30,270 --> 03:54:30,540
 measures

4794
03:54:30,540 --> 03:54:32,790
 for control and where possible should be

4795
03:54:32,790 --> 03:54:35,720
 considered for management programs and activities

4796
03:54:35,720 --> 03:54:36,050
. Something

4797
03:54:36,050 --> 03:54:38,230
 I would love to see the city become more

4798
03:54:38,230 --> 03:54:40,660
 proactive about is reaching out on a regular

4799
03:54:40,660 --> 03:54:41,320
 basis to the

4800
03:54:41,320 --> 03:54:43,770
 homeowners and renters adjacent to the ESA and

4801
03:54:43,770 --> 03:54:46,510
 letting them know about what they can do to

4802
03:54:46,510 --> 03:54:49,350
 maintain the ecological integrity, through the

4803
03:54:49,350 --> 03:54:51,380
 advisory committee that I am part of that

4804
03:54:51,380 --> 03:54:53,600
 reports to the community and protective services

4805
03:54:53,600 --> 03:54:55,770
 committee. We're also looking actively at

4806
03:54:55,770 --> 03:54:56,170
 business

4807
03:54:56,170 --> 03:54:58,850
 licensing as a potential vehicle for making sure

4808
03:54:58,850 --> 03:55:01,280
 that consumers are provided with information

4809
03:55:01,280 --> 03:55:03,850
 at retail establishments about invasive species,

4810
03:55:03,850 --> 03:55:05,760
 much like the city already regulates

4811
03:55:05,760 --> 03:55:07,030
 establishments

4812
03:55:07,030 --> 03:55:09,780
 that sell fireworks to provide education. So just

4813
03:55:09,780 --> 03:55:11,740
 wanted to express my support and thank

4814
03:55:11,740 --> 03:55:15,330
 their staff for their work on these drafts.

4815
03:55:15,330 --> 03:55:20,580
 Thanks. Thank you. I'll go online. Just let me

4816
03:55:20,580 --> 03:55:24,360
 just check here. Michael Patterson, right? Can

4817
03:55:24,360 --> 03:55:29,310
 you hear me? Can you hear me? Yup. You have five

4818
03:55:29,310 --> 03:55:32,960
 minutes, please go ahead. Thank you. So my name

4819
03:55:32,960 --> 03:55:35,100
 is Michael Patterson, a longtime honore who

4820
03:55:35,100 --> 03:55:35,430
 borders

4821
03:55:35,430 --> 03:55:38,670
 the proposed ESA extension, proposed in section

4822
03:55:38,670 --> 03:55:41,480
 four of the master plan for clearly knows.

4823
03:55:41,480 --> 03:55:44,380
 I'd like to thank the time for the time today. I

4824
03:55:44,380 --> 03:55:47,780
'm opposed to the expansion of the ESA.

4825
03:55:47,780 --> 03:55:50,950
 as it pertains to my private land.

4826
03:55:50,950 --> 03:55:53,610
 I am supportive of the current USA

4827
03:55:53,610 --> 03:55:55,230
 and continue to be an active member

4828
03:55:55,230 --> 03:55:59,340
 in adding native tree species as part of Free

4829
03:55:59,340 --> 03:56:00,180
 Forest London.

4830
03:56:00,180 --> 03:56:02,550
 And I do appreciate the previous comments

4831
03:56:02,550 --> 03:56:04,160
 from the gentleman that just spoke.

4832
03:56:04,160 --> 03:56:07,410
 I think it's great that we educate people that

4833
03:56:07,410 --> 03:56:07,670
 live

4834
03:56:07,670 --> 03:56:10,260
 where I do in maintaining the USA

4835
03:56:10,260 --> 03:56:13,380
 and keeping it in good stead.

4836
03:56:13,380 --> 03:56:15,700
 Specifically, I believe the extension of the USA

4837
03:56:15,700 --> 03:56:18,660
 on north of the Thames River border in Wakefield

4838
03:56:18,660 --> 03:56:19,760
 Crescent

4839
03:56:19,760 --> 03:56:21,800
 does not belong.

4840
03:56:21,800 --> 03:56:23,350
 The broad nature of classification

4841
03:56:23,350 --> 03:56:26,620
 of the sensitive area in this report

4842
03:56:26,620 --> 03:56:29,530
 to measure tree cover, proximity to wetlands

4843
03:56:29,530 --> 03:56:34,660
 is not specific and loosely ecologically defined.

4844
03:56:34,660 --> 03:56:38,720
 As defined in map 11, this area that I'm talking

4845
03:56:38,720 --> 03:56:38,990
 about

4846
03:56:38,990 --> 03:56:40,870
 has not been defined as ecologically

4847
03:56:40,870 --> 03:56:43,060
 or environmentally significant.

4848
03:56:43,060 --> 03:56:45,700
 And we're talking about an area of 10 to 20 feet

4849
03:56:45,700 --> 03:56:47,150
 of land

4850
03:56:47,150 --> 03:56:50,860
 that would be added to the ESA along this parcel

4851
03:56:50,860 --> 03:56:52,160
 of land.

4852
03:56:52,160 --> 03:56:56,140
 And it's defined as the habitat of the Hackery

4853
03:56:56,140 --> 03:56:57,050
 Emperor,

4854
03:56:57,050 --> 03:56:59,550
 which is as laid out in table 14,

4855
03:56:59,550 --> 03:57:02,010
 tolerant to human disturbance.

4856
03:57:02,010 --> 03:57:04,520
 It's also defined as a significant woodland and

4857
03:57:04,520 --> 03:57:05,210
 valley land,

4858
03:57:05,210 --> 03:57:08,220
 but again, that definition would cover most of

4859
03:57:08,220 --> 03:57:08,630
 the areas

4860
03:57:08,630 --> 03:57:10,540
 along the Thames River in our city,

4861
03:57:10,540 --> 03:57:12,650
 and I don't believe that warrants an extension of

4862
03:57:12,650 --> 03:57:14,370
 the ESA areas.

4863
03:57:14,370 --> 03:57:17,490
 As a homeowner, having the city seek control of

4864
03:57:17,490 --> 03:57:17,750
 land

4865
03:57:17,750 --> 03:57:20,870
 that I purchased, paid taxes on for the last 15

4866
03:57:20,870 --> 03:57:23,380
 plus years,

4867
03:57:23,380 --> 03:57:26,400
 would negatively impact the property value of my

4868
03:57:26,400 --> 03:57:27,510
 house.

4869
03:57:27,510 --> 03:57:29,290
 And I believe we can use resources

4870
03:57:29,290 --> 03:57:32,220
 to more appropriately protect lands, again,

4871
03:57:32,220 --> 03:57:34,540
 as laid out by the previous gentleman,

4872
03:57:34,540 --> 03:57:36,920
 to make sure that we're protecting the existing

4873
03:57:36,920 --> 03:57:37,440
 ESA,

4874
03:57:37,440 --> 03:57:40,030
 which has unfortunately not been done

4875
03:57:40,030 --> 03:57:42,530
 to the level that I would expect.

4876
03:57:42,530 --> 03:57:46,070
 Much of the areas particularly behind my property

4877
03:57:46,070 --> 03:57:48,490
 have had significant erosion problems.

4878
03:57:48,490 --> 03:57:51,650
 So maybe a question to the council is,

4879
03:57:51,650 --> 03:57:53,670
 How will the extension of the ESA

4880
03:57:53,670 --> 03:57:56,520
 or how will this go about changing

4881
03:57:56,520 --> 03:57:57,650
 how we deal with erosion

4882
03:57:57,650 --> 03:58:00,320
 and how will mitigate erosion moving forward?

4883
03:58:00,320 --> 03:58:02,430
 Thank you for your time and your consideration

4884
03:58:02,430 --> 03:58:04,820
 as part of this public review.

4885
03:58:04,820 --> 03:58:05,610
 - Thank you.

4886
03:58:05,610 --> 03:58:10,110
 I'll look for the next speaker.

4887
03:58:10,110 --> 03:58:10,870
 Do you wanna speak?

4888
03:58:10,870 --> 03:58:11,820
 - Yeah.

4889
03:58:11,820 --> 03:58:12,610
 - Okay, go ahead.

4890
03:58:12,610 --> 03:58:15,180
 You have five minutes.

4891
03:58:15,180 --> 03:58:19,630
 - Because ESA's will die if they're like people,

4892
03:58:19,630 --> 03:58:21,860
 they need to expand down to the microphone.

4893
03:58:21,860 --> 03:58:24,300
 - Can you just go to the microphone please?

4894
03:58:24,300 --> 03:58:25,070
 - Okay.

4895
03:58:25,070 --> 03:58:26,910
 - Yeah, thank you.

4896
03:58:26,910 --> 03:58:27,700
 - Okay, I'll just do this.

4897
03:58:27,700 --> 03:58:28,820
 - Thank you.

4898
03:58:28,820 --> 03:58:34,090
 - Okay, ESAs will die if they don't have a chance

4899
03:58:34,090 --> 03:58:37,590
 to expand out, they're like anything.

4900
03:58:37,590 --> 03:58:42,020
 They seed out, their nature is to expand out,

4901
03:58:42,020 --> 03:58:44,290
 when they're confined like the sift and bog,

4902
03:58:44,290 --> 03:58:46,820
 over time they will die out.

4903
03:58:46,820 --> 03:58:50,950
 And so even if it's a small piece of land,

4904
03:58:50,950 --> 03:58:53,770
 it's important to the health of that ESA

4905
03:58:53,770 --> 03:58:56,550
 because they're not islands, they're an ecosystem

4906
03:58:56,550 --> 03:58:56,650
.

4907
03:58:56,550 --> 03:58:59,360
 And that's theoretically what you're trying to

4908
03:58:59,360 --> 03:59:00,240
 protect.

4909
03:59:00,240 --> 03:59:07,180
 And so a lot of developers, they tear up these

4910
03:59:07,180 --> 03:59:08,130
 natural areas,

4911
03:59:08,130 --> 03:59:11,180
 and then they name their streets Deer Park or

4912
03:59:11,180 --> 03:59:12,520
 Deer View.

4913
03:59:12,520 --> 03:59:14,670
 And the reason they want to be along that, for

4914
03:59:14,670 --> 03:59:15,040
 example,

4915
03:59:15,040 --> 03:59:16,770
 the Thames River is because they know

4916
03:59:16,770 --> 03:59:20,040
 that that's what a natural area is a selling

4917
03:59:20,040 --> 03:59:20,930
 point.

4918
03:59:20,930 --> 03:59:23,760
 But we need to talk about the health of these ES

4919
03:59:23,760 --> 03:59:23,970
As.

4920
03:59:23,970 --> 03:59:26,120
 They're living organisms.

4921
03:59:26,120 --> 03:59:30,170
 They're ecosystems and they're under a lot of

4922
03:59:30,170 --> 03:59:31,120
 stress.

4923
03:59:31,120 --> 03:59:34,620
 And so even expanding them a little bit

4924
03:59:34,620 --> 03:59:37,500
 gives them a little bit of breathing space.

4925
03:59:37,500 --> 03:59:42,380
 And I think homeowners, if there's erosion issues

4926
03:59:42,380 --> 03:59:42,480
,

4927
03:59:42,380 --> 03:59:44,530
 that's something different that has to be

4928
03:59:44,530 --> 03:59:44,820
 addressed,

4929
03:59:44,820 --> 03:59:49,190
 but it's not related to expanding the ESA

4930
03:59:49,190 --> 03:59:53,490
 so that it itself can expand and thrive as an

4931
03:59:53,490 --> 03:59:54,380
 organism.

4932
03:59:55,820 --> 03:59:57,120
 That's all I want to say.

4933
03:59:57,120 --> 03:59:58,760
 I support the expansion.

4934
03:59:58,760 --> 04:00:01,540
 I just wish you wouldn't take the beavers out.

4935
04:00:01,540 --> 04:00:04,370
 But I support the expansion.

4936
04:00:04,370 --> 04:00:05,160
 Thank you.

4937
04:00:05,160 --> 04:00:05,960
 - Thank you.

4938
04:00:05,960 --> 04:00:10,150
 I'll look for the next speaker.

4939
04:00:10,150 --> 04:00:10,980
 Please sir, go ahead.

4940
04:00:10,980 --> 04:00:12,090
 Your name and you'll find this.

4941
04:00:12,090 --> 04:00:14,590
 - My name's Peter Paulus-Juck and I do own a home

4942
04:00:14,590 --> 04:00:18,510
 right along where you want to expand the ESA.

4943
04:00:18,510 --> 04:00:20,840
 And I fully support it.

4944
04:00:20,840 --> 04:00:23,090
 I've seen lots of damage happen by people

4945
04:00:23,090 --> 04:00:25,380
 throwing stuff over their back fence

4946
04:00:25,380 --> 04:00:27,460
 and I want to protect it.

4947
04:00:27,460 --> 04:00:29,360
 So thank you.

4948
04:00:29,360 --> 04:00:31,850
 - Thank you.

4949
04:00:31,850 --> 04:00:34,740
 Please, sir, gives your name again, and you have

4950
04:00:34,740 --> 04:00:36,060
 five minutes.

4951
04:00:36,060 --> 04:00:37,590
 David Wake.

4952
04:00:37,590 --> 04:00:40,390
 I've followed this work that's been done on Cal

4953
04:00:40,390 --> 04:00:40,660
ally

4954
04:00:40,660 --> 04:00:43,010
 over the last number of years.

4955
04:00:43,010 --> 04:00:46,240
 I strongly support the work that's been done

4956
04:00:46,240 --> 04:00:49,310
 and the recommendation from the staff.

4957
04:00:49,310 --> 04:00:52,670
 I do very much agree we need to do a better job

4958
04:00:52,670 --> 04:00:54,650
 of managing some of the invasive species.

4959
04:00:54,650 --> 04:00:57,300
 And when budget time comes around,

4960
04:00:57,300 --> 04:01:00,990
 maybe we need to take a closer look at how we can

4961
04:01:00,990 --> 04:01:01,300
 be more

4962
04:01:01,300 --> 04:01:03,950
 effective in doing some of those things, but

4963
04:01:03,950 --> 04:01:07,760
 strong support for this very good conservation

4964
04:01:07,760 --> 04:01:09,750
 master plan.

4965
04:01:09,750 --> 04:01:10,710
 Thank you.

4966
04:01:10,710 --> 04:01:13,720
 I'll look for any other speakers.

4967
04:01:13,720 --> 04:01:15,140
 Just check with the clerk if there's anyone

4968
04:01:15,140 --> 04:01:17,120
 online.

4969
04:01:17,120 --> 04:01:20,400
 Okay.

4970
04:01:20,400 --> 04:01:21,360
 I'm seeing no one else.

4971
04:01:21,360 --> 04:01:22,320
 I'll call.

4972
04:01:22,320 --> 04:01:24,750
 I'll look for a motion to close the PPM, be

4973
04:01:24,750 --> 04:01:28,370
 seconded by Councillor Stevenson and we'll

4974
04:01:28,370 --> 04:01:29,340
 call the vote.

4975
04:01:29,340 --> 04:01:36,150
 I vote yes.

4976
04:01:36,150 --> 04:01:40,830
 Opposing the vote, the motion carries three to

4977
04:01:40,830 --> 04:01:41,800
 zero.

4978
04:01:41,800 --> 04:01:44,600
 So there was one question that opposed the staff

4979
04:01:44,600 --> 04:01:47,880
 regarding how this extension will mitigate

4980
04:01:47,880 --> 04:01:53,380
 erosion in the area. Through the chair the

4981
04:01:53,380 --> 04:01:54,460
 recommendation that staff are

4982
04:01:54,460 --> 04:01:57,710
 proposing is to establish the green space place

4983
04:01:57,710 --> 04:01:58,890
 safe on map one and then

4984
04:01:58,890 --> 04:02:01,600
 subsequently revise the ESA delineation with

4985
04:02:01,600 --> 04:02:04,090
 respect to erosion these features

4986
04:02:04,090 --> 04:02:06,640
 are dynamic in nature and so they do change over

4987
04:02:06,640 --> 04:02:08,630
 time the erosion that the

4988
04:02:08,630 --> 04:02:10,930
 resident on Wakefield Drive may be experiencing

4989
04:02:10,930 --> 04:02:11,820
 is likely due to the

4990
04:02:11,820 --> 04:02:14,280
 changing route of the Thames River again rivers

4991
04:02:14,280 --> 04:02:16,680
 meander and change over time

4992
04:02:16,680 --> 04:02:19,180
 in terms of the specific management adoption of

4993
04:02:19,180 --> 04:02:20,500
 the CMP will not be changing

4994
04:02:20,500 --> 04:02:24,220
 our existing management program. That's location

4995
04:02:24,220 --> 04:02:27,500
 specifically, we have, we are undertaking review

4996
04:02:27,500 --> 04:02:30,430
 with the UTRCA, our management contractor in the

4997
04:02:30,430 --> 04:02:32,880
 area, and we'll do our best to get that trail

4998
04:02:32,880 --> 04:02:35,640
 component open as soon as possible. However, it

4999
04:02:35,640 --> 04:02:38,320
 is currently closed with consideration for the

5000
04:02:38,320 --> 04:02:39,020
 erosion.

5001
04:02:39,020 --> 04:02:41,500
 Thank you. Okay, I'll put this on the floor

5002
04:02:41,500 --> 04:02:42,520
 looking for a motion.

5003
04:02:42,520 --> 04:02:45,590
 Councillor Coyote, are you moving the staff

5004
04:02:45,590 --> 04:02:46,420
 recommendation?

5005
04:02:46,420 --> 04:02:51,340
 Yes, sure. I'm moving the staff for committee.

5006
04:02:51,340 --> 04:02:53,520
 Okay. Yeah, seconder. I'll

5007
04:02:53,520 --> 04:02:56,660
 I'll, uh, Councillor Stevenson is seconded. So I

5008
04:02:56,660 --> 04:02:57,770
'll look for any comments or

5009
04:02:57,770 --> 04:03:01,650
 questions. Uh, Councillor Pribble. Thank you. Mr.

5010
04:03:01,650 --> 04:03:02,750
 Chair, to the staff, Mr.

5011
04:03:02,750 --> 04:03:04,580
 Patterson, he mentioned two more things. And he

5012
04:03:04,580 --> 04:03:07,470
 mentioned the question to, uh,

5013
04:03:07,470 --> 04:03:10,130
 comments with the question at the end, map 11,

5014
04:03:10,130 --> 04:03:12,880
 defining as being not significant.

5015
04:03:12,880 --> 04:03:15,340
 And, uh, in the report, that's what it states.

5016
04:03:15,340 --> 04:03:17,010
 And he says, why would we,

5017
04:03:17,010 --> 04:03:20,670
 if in the report uh it states not significant why

5018
04:03:20,670 --> 04:03:22,100
 would we consider enlarging it?

5019
04:03:22,100 --> 04:03:30,260
 Don't go stop. Through the chair just to clarify

5020
04:03:30,260 --> 04:03:33,410
 map 11 in the submitted conservation master plan

5021
04:03:33,410 --> 04:03:36,140
 is a snapshot of the existing map five natural

5022
04:03:36,140 --> 04:03:39,030
 heritage features that currently are included in

5023
04:03:39,030 --> 04:03:41,360
 the London plan so the purpose would be to amend

5024
04:03:41,360 --> 04:03:43,790
 that through the official plan amendment. We were

5025
04:03:43,790 --> 04:03:45,990
 just demonstrating what the current and then

5026
04:03:45,990 --> 04:03:48,890
 future version would be. Councilor. Thank you.

5027
04:03:48,890 --> 04:03:52,840
 Okay, thank you for that. Will this negatively

5028
04:03:52,840 --> 04:03:55,530
 affect the value of my property,

5029
04:03:55,530 --> 04:04:01,340
 or staff? Through the chair, we can't speak to

5030
04:04:01,340 --> 04:04:03,880
 specific property valuations. However,

5031
04:04:03,880 --> 04:04:06,300
 what we are proposing here does not refine the

5032
04:04:06,300 --> 04:04:08,180
 zoning by-law, and it's that zoning that would

5033
04:04:08,180 --> 04:04:10,840
 limit potential uses. So all the previously and

5034
04:04:10,840 --> 04:04:12,860
 existing uses that the residents enjoy,

5035
04:04:12,860 --> 04:04:17,660
 they will continue to enjoy. Councilor, thank you

5036
04:04:17,660 --> 04:04:18,440
 for those answers.

5037
04:04:18,440 --> 04:04:21,470
 There were from five different individuals, there

5038
04:04:21,470 --> 04:04:24,210
 were comments and questions, and I just want to

5039
04:04:24,210 --> 04:04:27,620
 to make sure have you responded to them,

5040
04:04:27,620 --> 04:04:29,030
 have you answered them?

5041
04:04:29,030 --> 04:04:31,790
 I would imagine the comments we considered,

5042
04:04:31,790 --> 04:04:34,060
 but the questions have they been answered to the

5043
04:04:34,060 --> 04:04:35,010
 individuals?

5044
04:04:35,010 --> 04:04:37,070
 And especially I think it was Mr. Living

5045
04:04:37,070 --> 04:04:40,300
 that he had one really, some specific ones.

5046
04:04:40,300 --> 04:04:42,070
 - Do you want to stop?

5047
04:04:42,070 --> 04:04:43,780
 - Yes, through the chair.

5048
04:04:43,780 --> 04:04:47,600
 All of the submitted comments were addressed

5049
04:04:47,600 --> 04:04:49,750
 either through calling the individuals

5050
04:04:49,750 --> 04:04:52,630
 if it was requested or when the report was

5051
04:04:52,630 --> 04:04:53,170
 drafted,

5052
04:04:53,170 --> 04:04:56,150
 the recommendations and questions were addressed

5053
04:04:56,150 --> 04:04:59,590
 and included in the report, notably the sections

5054
04:04:59,590 --> 04:05:02,000
 about trail compatibility and the items

5055
04:05:02,000 --> 04:05:04,730
 around implementation of the recommendations.

5056
04:05:04,730 --> 04:05:06,500
 That was some of the concerns that Mr. Levin

5057
04:05:06,500 --> 04:05:08,020
 brought up.

5058
04:05:08,020 --> 04:05:09,410
 Thank you.

5059
04:05:09,410 --> 04:05:11,840
 - Councilor, and I believe it is the comment.

5060
04:05:11,840 --> 04:05:13,480
 Thank you, Ms. Burke and Williamson

5061
04:05:13,480 --> 04:05:16,610
 because all the emails and calls I received,

5062
04:05:16,610 --> 04:05:17,990
 which I forwarded to you,

5063
04:05:17,990 --> 04:05:20,140
 you responded to the individual's residence

5064
04:05:20,140 --> 04:05:20,720
 immediately.

5065
04:05:20,720 --> 04:05:22,780
 Thank you for that.

5066
04:05:22,780 --> 04:05:26,530
 - Look for other comments or questions.

5067
04:05:26,530 --> 04:05:28,260
 - We have a motion moved and seconded, I'll call

5068
04:05:28,260 --> 04:05:32,570
 the vote.

5069
04:05:32,570 --> 04:05:39,980
 - I vote yes.

5070
04:05:39,980 --> 04:05:44,020
 - Mr. Cuddy, closing the vote,

5071
04:05:44,020 --> 04:05:46,760
 the motion carries three to zero.

5072
04:05:46,760 --> 04:05:49,010
 - Thank you, moving on to three point one zero.

5073
04:05:49,010 --> 04:05:50,860
 This is regarding 6585,

5074
04:05:50,860 --> 04:05:53,510
 mentally road south and other lands.

5075
04:05:53,510 --> 04:05:56,270
 I'll look for a motion to open the PPM Councilor

5076
04:05:56,270 --> 04:05:57,130
 Cuddy.

5077
04:05:57,130 --> 04:05:59,210
 Seconded by Councillor Stevenson, we'll call the

5078
04:05:59,210 --> 04:06:12,140
 vote.

5079
04:06:12,140 --> 04:06:16,990
 - I vote yes.

5080
04:06:16,990 --> 04:06:18,950
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries three to

5081
04:06:18,950 --> 04:06:19,310
 zero.

5082
04:06:19,310 --> 04:06:20,720
 - Thank you, I'll look for anyone that'd like

5083
04:06:20,720 --> 04:06:24,070
 to address the committee on this item.

5084
04:06:24,070 --> 04:06:33,060
 I'll just clerk if there's anyone online as well

5085
04:06:33,060 --> 04:06:33,890
 as so.

5086
04:06:33,890 --> 04:06:35,750
 I was part of this appeal.

5087
04:06:35,750 --> 04:06:37,480
 And this, the city lost this appeal

5088
04:06:37,480 --> 04:06:40,190
 because of a definition of trees.

5089
04:06:40,190 --> 04:06:42,330
 And I mean, it's done now.

5090
04:06:42,330 --> 04:06:44,460
 I'm not sure what the public meeting is about.

5091
04:06:44,460 --> 04:06:47,150
 There was a decision at the Ontario Land Tribunal

5092
04:06:47,150 --> 04:06:47,250
,

5093
04:06:47,150 --> 04:06:50,590
 but it's a lesson to be learned from staff and

5094
04:06:50,590 --> 04:06:51,350
 council,

5095
04:06:51,350 --> 04:06:56,450
 because decisions at the Ontario Land Tribunal

5096
04:06:56,450 --> 04:07:00,550
 are those adjudicators don't have any ecological

5097
04:07:00,550 --> 04:07:01,390
 background.

5098
04:07:01,390 --> 04:07:04,030
 And I felt that we lost because there wasn't a

5099
04:07:04,030 --> 04:07:04,270
 way

5100
04:07:04,270 --> 04:07:09,610
 to address what came down to a trivial matter

5101
04:07:09,610 --> 04:07:12,070
 about a type of tree.

5102
04:07:12,070 --> 04:07:14,430
 And I just feel like going forward,

5103
04:07:14,430 --> 04:07:19,900
 we lost something here because we couldn't argue

5104
04:07:19,900 --> 04:07:20,370
 this

5105
04:07:20,370 --> 04:07:25,130
 on an ecological perspective.

5106
04:07:25,130 --> 04:07:28,660
 And the adjudicator, just the decision

5107
04:07:28,660 --> 04:07:31,570
 was just based on a type of tree.

5108
04:07:31,570 --> 04:07:34,700
 And I just think it's a lesson to be learned here

5109
04:07:34,700 --> 04:07:34,980
.

5110
04:07:34,980 --> 04:07:37,400
 So I'm not sure what this public meeting is about

5111
04:07:37,400 --> 04:07:37,500
.

5112
04:07:37,400 --> 04:07:38,510
 There's a decision made

5113
04:07:38,510 --> 04:07:41,600
 and you're just adjusting the boundaries to the

5114
04:07:41,600 --> 04:07:42,420
 decision.

5115
04:07:42,420 --> 04:07:45,220
 Unless I'm wrong, I would appreciate you telling

5116
04:07:45,220 --> 04:07:46,020
 me so.

5117
04:07:46,020 --> 04:07:47,330
 Thank you.

5118
04:07:47,330 --> 04:07:49,070
 - I look for other speakers.

5119
04:07:49,070 --> 04:07:56,980
 Is there anyone online?

5120
04:07:56,980 --> 04:07:59,210
 I saw a look for a motion to close the PPM.

5121
04:07:59,210 --> 04:08:06,340
 Councillor Cudi is seconded by Councillor--

5122
04:08:06,340 --> 04:08:11,000
 - Yes.

5123
04:08:11,000 --> 04:08:13,000
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries three to

5124
04:08:13,000 --> 04:08:13,390
 zero.

5125
04:08:13,390 --> 04:08:15,770
 - I'll put in the floor looking for a motion.

5126
04:08:15,770 --> 04:08:17,240
 Ready.

5127
04:08:17,240 --> 04:08:20,190
 Councillor Cudi, I'll move staff recommendation.

5128
04:08:20,190 --> 04:08:24,620
 I guess seconder, Councillor Stephen seconds.

5129
04:08:24,620 --> 04:08:29,280
 I'd like for comments or questions.

5130
04:08:29,280 --> 04:08:35,720
 Seeing none, we'll call the vote.

5131
04:08:35,720 --> 04:08:41,090
 - Oh yes, closing the vote.

5132
04:08:41,090 --> 04:08:43,550
 The motion carries three to zero.

5133
04:08:43,550 --> 04:08:58,490
 - Okay, I would like to move the order of items

5134
04:08:58,490 --> 04:09:00,610
 to be considered.

5135
04:09:00,610 --> 04:09:03,490
 I'd like to get permission from the committee

5136
04:09:03,490 --> 04:09:08,030
 to go in camera to move 6.1 up to the next item

5137
04:09:08,030 --> 04:09:10,230
 before we get into items for direction.

5138
04:09:10,230 --> 04:09:11,270
 - I'll move the motion.

5139
04:09:11,270 --> 04:09:12,080
 - I'll move the chair.

5140
04:09:12,080 --> 04:09:13,850
 - Thank you, can I get a seconder for that please

5141
04:09:13,850 --> 04:09:14,430
?

5142
04:09:14,430 --> 04:09:16,180
 - Thank you, Councillor.

5143
04:09:16,180 --> 04:09:18,550
 Councillor Stevenson seconds, and we'll call the

5144
04:09:18,550 --> 04:09:25,060
 vote.

5145
04:09:25,060 --> 04:09:31,080
 - I vote yes.

5146
04:09:31,080 --> 04:09:43,420
 - Wasn't the vote 3-0.

5147
04:09:43,420 --> 04:09:46,100
 - Okay, so we'll be moving into a closed session

5148
04:09:46,100 --> 04:09:48,260
 for a matter of pertaining to security

5149
04:09:48,260 --> 04:09:50,460
 of the property of the municipality.

5150
04:09:50,460 --> 04:09:52,270
 The vice is subject to solicitor of client

5151
04:09:52,270 --> 04:09:52,690
 privilege,

5152
04:09:52,690 --> 04:09:54,700
 including communications necessary for that

5153
04:09:54,700 --> 04:10:17,560
 purpose.

5154
04:10:17,560 --> 04:10:20,840
 Councillor Stevenson didn't follow my lead.

5155
04:10:20,840 --> 04:10:22,620
 Oh, she's there.

5156
04:10:22,620 --> 04:10:24,200
 We got a motion moved and seconded to go on

5157
04:10:24,200 --> 04:10:24,550
 camera.

5158
04:10:24,550 --> 04:10:31,810
 I'll call the vote.

5159
04:10:31,810 --> 04:10:33,540
 - Chair, could you just explain what going on

5160
04:10:33,540 --> 04:10:34,170
 camera means

5161
04:10:34,170 --> 04:10:35,520
 for those guests in the gallery

5162
04:10:35,520 --> 04:10:36,500
 and that they would come back.

5163
04:10:36,500 --> 04:10:38,770
 - Yeah, this is a confidential session.

5164
04:10:38,770 --> 04:10:41,570
 Sometimes we'll move into another area,

5165
04:10:41,570 --> 04:10:42,790
 but we're gonna stay here,

5166
04:10:42,790 --> 04:10:44,470
 so we're unfortunately gonna have to have two

5167
04:10:44,470 --> 04:10:44,820
 folks

5168
04:10:44,820 --> 04:10:47,110
 to leave while we're in camera.

5169
04:10:47,110 --> 04:10:48,470
 But then we'll come back and we'll deal

5170
04:10:48,470 --> 04:10:52,790
 with the rest of the items on the agenda.

5171
04:10:52,790 --> 04:11:02,130
 - Closing the motion carries three to zero.

5172
04:11:02,130 --> 04:16:39,580
 - Recording in progress.

5173
04:16:39,580 --> 04:16:43,680
 - Okay, I'm calling this meeting back to open

5174
04:16:43,680 --> 04:16:44,520
 session.

5175
04:16:44,520 --> 04:16:48,240
 I'll go to Councilor Cuddy to report out.

5176
04:16:48,240 --> 04:16:49,510
 Thank you, Chair.

5177
04:16:49,510 --> 04:16:54,150
 Committee went into in-camera from 4.56 to 5.35

5178
04:16:54,150 --> 04:16:54,440
 PM.

5179
04:16:54,440 --> 04:16:55,830
 We made progress.

5180
04:16:55,830 --> 04:16:57,970
 Progress was made on matters discussed in closed

5181
04:16:57,970 --> 04:16:58,420
 session.

5182
04:16:58,420 --> 04:16:59,950
 Thank you.

5183
04:16:59,950 --> 04:17:00,750
 - Thank you.

5184
04:17:00,750 --> 04:17:01,720
 Okay, moving on to 4.1.

5185
04:17:01,720 --> 04:17:05,070
 We do have a request for a delegation from Jay

5186
04:17:05,070 --> 04:17:05,440
 Smith.

5187
04:17:05,440 --> 04:17:11,290
 I'm just wondering if that's you.

5188
04:17:11,290 --> 04:17:14,380
 Is that you?

5189
04:17:14,380 --> 04:17:17,190
 Okay, he had to leave.

5190
04:17:17,190 --> 04:17:19,380
 Okay, well, we'll have to get,

5191
04:17:19,380 --> 04:17:21,920
 we have to vote to accept the delegation.

5192
04:17:21,920 --> 04:17:23,310
 So let's just see what committee does.

5193
04:17:23,310 --> 04:17:25,510
 So I'll look for a motion to accept the

5194
04:17:25,510 --> 04:17:26,040
 delegation.

5195
04:17:26,040 --> 04:17:28,550
 - Councilor Cuddy, second by Councilor Stevenson,

5196
04:17:28,550 --> 04:17:35,030
 and we'll vote on that.

5197
04:17:35,030 --> 04:17:44,410
 - Vote yes.

5198
04:17:44,410 --> 04:17:46,490
 - Using the vote, the motion carries three to

5199
04:17:46,490 --> 04:17:47,460
 zero.

5200
04:17:47,460 --> 04:17:50,330
 - Okay, if you could go ahead and give us your

5201
04:17:50,330 --> 04:17:50,510
 name

5202
04:17:50,510 --> 04:17:53,260
 and you have five minutes.

5203
04:17:53,260 --> 04:17:57,220
 - Hello, well, good evening, Councillors.

5204
04:17:57,220 --> 04:18:01,800
 My name is Ken, I'm speaking on behalf of Jordan

5205
04:18:01,800 --> 04:18:02,160
 Smith

5206
04:18:02,160 --> 04:18:06,070
 who is the chair of the east of Adelaide chapter

5207
04:18:06,070 --> 04:18:08,820
 for Acorn in London.

5208
04:18:08,820 --> 04:18:10,920
 For those who don't know our history,

5209
04:18:10,920 --> 04:18:14,640
 London Acorn is a community and tenant union.

5210
04:18:14,640 --> 04:18:17,250
 We represent low and moderate income residents.

5211
04:18:17,250 --> 04:18:18,390
 You're most vulnerable,

5212
04:18:18,390 --> 04:18:22,030
 yet often your most vocal constituents.

5213
04:18:22,030 --> 04:18:24,900
 We are here because we believe housing is a human

5214
04:18:24,900 --> 04:18:25,270
 right.

5215
04:18:25,270 --> 04:18:27,890
 And right now, that right is under siege in our

5216
04:18:27,890 --> 04:18:29,450
 city.

5217
04:18:29,450 --> 04:18:32,110
 We are here today to talk about demavictions

5218
04:18:32,110 --> 04:18:35,570
 and the catastrophic loss of affordable housing.

5219
04:18:35,570 --> 04:18:37,810
 This isn't just a theory to us.

5220
04:18:37,810 --> 04:18:39,310
 We've been going door to door

5221
04:18:39,310 --> 04:18:41,190
 and the scale of this problem

5222
04:18:41,190 --> 04:18:44,650
 becoming more apparent every day. These aren't

5223
04:18:44,650 --> 04:18:48,230
 just one or two isolated cases or bad apples.

5224
04:18:48,230 --> 04:18:51,290
 We are seeing a systemic pattern where long-term

5225
04:18:51,290 --> 04:18:54,640
 tenants, those most reliant on stable housing,

5226
04:18:54,640 --> 04:18:58,960
 are being forced out of their homes. The people

5227
04:18:58,960 --> 04:19:00,790
 first in line to be pushed out

5228
04:19:00,790 --> 04:19:03,900
 are the ones who can least afford to move. When

5229
04:19:03,900 --> 04:19:05,800
 you displace a tenant who has been in their home

5230
04:19:05,800 --> 04:19:09,490
 for 15 years, you aren't just moving them. You

5231
04:19:09,490 --> 04:19:12,330
 are often pushing them into core housing

5232
04:19:12,330 --> 04:19:16,100
 need or homelessness. We hear a lot about new

5233
04:19:16,100 --> 04:19:19,950
 supply, but let's be clear. What is replacing

5234
04:19:19,950 --> 04:19:25,790
 these lost units is nowhere near equivalent. Even

5235
04:19:25,790 --> 04:19:28,210
 units labeled as affordable are often

5236
04:19:28,210 --> 04:19:32,840
 pegged at 80% of market rent. In today's market,

5237
04:19:32,840 --> 04:19:35,150
 that is still out of reach for the

5238
04:19:35,150 --> 04:19:39,730
 people Acorn represents. We are tearing down the

5239
04:19:39,730 --> 04:19:42,320
 only genuinely affordable units we have

5240
04:19:42,320 --> 04:19:44,470
 left specifically because they are rent

5241
04:19:44,470 --> 04:19:47,750
 controlled. The new units replacing them will not

5242
04:19:47,750 --> 04:19:48,290
 be subject

5243
04:19:48,290 --> 04:19:51,050
 to rent control, meaning the economic landscape

5244
04:19:51,050 --> 04:19:53,750
 for Londoners is only shifting in one direction

5245
04:19:53,750 --> 04:19:58,550
 toward more displacement and less stability. It

5246
04:19:58,550 --> 04:20:02,070
 is significantly cheaper for this city to protect

5247
04:20:02,070 --> 04:20:05,750
 existing affordable housing than it is to build

5248
04:20:05,750 --> 04:20:09,380
 new units from scratch. Currently we are losing

5249
04:20:09,380 --> 04:20:11,830
 affordable units faster than we can ever hope to

5250
04:20:11,830 --> 04:20:15,550
 build them. Human suffering is happening at scale

5251
04:20:15,550 --> 04:20:18,260
 in London. If you want to see the results of

5252
04:20:18,260 --> 04:20:20,790
 failing to protect our most vulnerable,

5253
04:20:20,790 --> 04:20:23,020
 you don't have to look further than our downtown

5254
04:20:23,020 --> 04:20:26,880
 core. We are seeing the city fail in real time.

5255
04:20:26,880 --> 04:20:30,130
 Acorn members are very pleased to see Councillor

5256
04:20:30,130 --> 04:20:33,240
 Skyler Frank putting forward this motion

5257
04:20:33,240 --> 04:20:36,170
 and that it includes consideration of tenant

5258
04:20:36,170 --> 04:20:38,400
 compensation and moving costs.

5259
04:20:38,400 --> 04:20:41,470
 This represents a vital piece of what Acorn

5260
04:20:41,470 --> 04:20:43,880
 fought for last year with our advocacy for

5261
04:20:43,880 --> 04:20:47,280
 a renovation by-law. If the committee chooses to

5262
04:20:47,280 --> 04:20:50,200
 pass this motion, we would be so grateful

5263
04:20:50,200 --> 04:20:52,440
 to see the city finally catching up to the

5264
04:20:52,440 --> 04:20:55,710
 reality on the ground. This isn't radical.

5265
04:20:55,710 --> 04:20:59,110
 Acorn has successfully worked with councils in

5266
04:20:59,110 --> 04:21:03,080
 Burnaby, New Westminster, Toronto, Mississauga,

5267
04:21:03,080 --> 04:21:06,480
 Hamilton, Kitchener, and Waterloo to pass similar

5268
04:21:06,480 --> 04:21:10,110
 protections. What Acorn members in London really

5269
04:21:10,110 --> 04:21:13,330
 want to see is the city council take steps to

5270
04:21:13,330 --> 04:21:16,030
 protect our homes that are at risk. So please

5271
04:21:16,030 --> 04:21:18,670
 pass this motion and let's work together to stop

5272
04:21:18,670 --> 04:21:21,220
 mass displacement and preserve affordable

5273
04:21:21,220 --> 04:21:23,770
 housing. We're also calling on the city to

5274
04:21:23,770 --> 04:21:26,370
 implement full landlord licensing. We need

5275
04:21:26,370 --> 04:21:29,030
 a base level of accountability where the city

5276
04:21:29,030 --> 04:21:32,090
 provides proactive enforcement of its own bylaws

5277
04:21:32,090 --> 04:21:34,250
 rather than leaving the burden of proof on the

5278
04:21:34,250 --> 04:21:37,300
 tenant. Don't wait for the next crisis to act.

5279
04:21:37,300 --> 04:21:40,330
 protect the housing we have, protect the people

5280
04:21:40,330 --> 04:21:43,090
 who live there, and let's build a London that

5281
04:21:43,090 --> 04:21:46,070
 actually includes everyone. Thank you. Thank you.

5282
04:21:46,070 --> 04:21:50,390
 All right. So far as the committee and this item

5283
04:21:50,390 --> 04:21:53,170
 is concerned, Councillor Frank has put forward a

5284
04:21:53,170 --> 04:21:58,280
 suggestion for a motion and I'll look for someone

5285
04:21:58,280 --> 04:22:01,070
 to you can see at the bottom of our letter that

5286
04:22:01,070 --> 04:22:05,410
 suggests it wording. I'm willing to put that on

5287
04:22:05,410 --> 04:22:07,120
 on the floor, but I'm from the chair.

5288
04:22:07,120 --> 04:22:10,090
 So we only have three of us.

5289
04:22:10,090 --> 04:22:15,650
 So I ask the, if someone else would be willing

5290
04:22:15,650 --> 04:22:17,650
 to put that motion on the floor.

5291
04:22:17,650 --> 04:22:21,300
 Or I can, I'll ask Councillor Cudi to take the

5292
04:22:21,300 --> 04:22:21,500
 chair

5293
04:22:21,500 --> 04:22:29,510
 so I can do that.

5294
04:22:29,510 --> 04:22:30,840
 - Mr. Chair, I'll put the motion on the floor.

5295
04:22:30,840 --> 04:22:32,160
 Thank you.

5296
04:22:32,160 --> 04:22:33,720
 Okay, so I'll second it.

5297
04:22:33,720 --> 04:22:36,430
 And then just to get the discussion going,

5298
04:22:36,430 --> 04:22:40,290
 I think I'll just go to Councillor Frank.

5299
04:22:40,290 --> 04:22:41,960
 It's your suggestion.

5300
04:22:41,960 --> 04:22:50,440
 So why don't you go ahead.

5301
04:22:50,440 --> 04:22:52,290
 Councillor Frank, please go ahead.

5302
04:22:52,290 --> 04:22:54,290
 - Thank you and I appreciate the mover

5303
04:22:54,290 --> 04:22:55,720
 and the seconder for getting this on the floor

5304
04:22:55,720 --> 04:22:57,550
 as I'm not a member of planning.

5305
04:22:57,550 --> 04:22:59,730
 And this motion came about through some of the

5306
04:22:59,730 --> 04:23:00,260
 discussions

5307
04:23:00,260 --> 04:23:02,890
 after the 550 right out streets south

5308
04:23:02,890 --> 04:23:05,160
 as well as 145 baseline road west,

5309
04:23:05,160 --> 04:23:07,990
 which is in my ward where we approved some infill

5310
04:23:07,990 --> 04:23:08,510
 projects

5311
04:23:08,510 --> 04:23:11,260
 that had existing tenants in those buildings

5312
04:23:11,260 --> 04:23:13,930
 and had a lot of discussion about what will

5313
04:23:13,930 --> 04:23:14,210
 happen

5314
04:23:14,210 --> 04:23:17,280
 to those tenants and in those cases,

5315
04:23:17,280 --> 04:23:20,550
 the applicant was willing to put in some good

5316
04:23:20,550 --> 04:23:20,910
 faith,

5317
04:23:20,910 --> 04:23:23,080
 verbal and written commitments.

5318
04:23:23,080 --> 04:23:25,030
 That being said, we don't see that all the time.

5319
04:23:25,030 --> 04:23:27,230
 And additionally, those are non-binding.

5320
04:23:27,230 --> 04:23:29,420
 And as we continue to see and support

5321
04:23:29,420 --> 04:23:31,330
 growth and intensification in the city,

5322
04:23:31,330 --> 04:23:33,530
 I believe we also have responsibility to ensure

5323
04:23:33,530 --> 04:23:36,080
 that the people calling these places homes

5324
04:23:36,080 --> 04:23:38,030
 are not left behind in this process.

5325
04:23:38,030 --> 04:23:40,210
 And I think that this motion is more about

5326
04:23:40,210 --> 04:23:40,670
 balance.

5327
04:23:40,670 --> 04:23:42,740
 It's making sure that while we're trying to build

5328
04:23:42,740 --> 04:23:45,060
 the London of tomorrow, we make sure that the

5329
04:23:45,060 --> 04:23:45,930
 tenants

5330
04:23:45,930 --> 04:23:48,600
 and residents of London are not having their

5331
04:23:48,600 --> 04:23:48,880
 housing

5332
04:23:48,880 --> 04:23:50,670
 to stabilize today.

5333
04:23:50,670 --> 04:23:52,250
 And we've already seen some examples

5334
04:23:52,250 --> 04:23:54,630
 where we don't have a clear framework.

5335
04:23:54,630 --> 04:23:56,500
 145 has been in the news.

5336
04:23:56,500 --> 04:24:00,200
 And I do see that the efforts we did

5337
04:24:00,200 --> 04:24:02,550
 to try and protect the tenants in those buildings

5338
04:24:02,550 --> 04:24:02,650
,

5339
04:24:02,550 --> 04:24:03,790
 I think, were good,

5340
04:24:03,790 --> 04:24:07,210
 but it has caused some confusion in the process.

5341
04:24:07,210 --> 04:24:11,740
 And I think having a clear program or plan or

5342
04:24:11,740 --> 04:24:12,370
 strategy

5343
04:24:12,370 --> 04:24:15,900
 that would deal with the conditions for the

5344
04:24:15,900 --> 04:24:16,380
 developer

5345
04:24:16,380 --> 04:24:20,290
 the applicant for tenants security, I think that

5346
04:24:20,290 --> 04:24:23,740
 would help us move forward in a good way.

5347
04:24:23,740 --> 04:24:25,750
 And I think that the two examples I give, they're

5348
04:24:25,750 --> 04:24:26,730
 not isolated cases.

5349
04:24:26,730 --> 04:24:28,910
 We've had more come through in the last couple of

5350
04:24:28,910 --> 04:24:31,400
 years, but we haven't been able to ensure

5351
04:24:31,400 --> 04:24:33,570
 that there are protections for tenants with those

5352
04:24:33,570 --> 04:24:34,870
 because we don't have a plan.

5353
04:24:34,870 --> 04:24:36,820
 As you can see with my additional communication,

5354
04:24:36,820 --> 04:24:38,740
 there are existing Ontario municipalities that

5355
04:24:38,740 --> 04:24:41,160
 have some form of plans or programs or

5356
04:24:41,160 --> 04:24:42,250
 protections.

5357
04:24:42,250 --> 04:24:44,720
 they come in a variety of shapes and sizes,

5358
04:24:44,720 --> 04:24:46,890
 some are bylaws, some are through the Planning

5359
04:24:46,890 --> 04:24:47,030
 Act,

5360
04:24:47,030 --> 04:24:48,230
 some are through the Municipal Act,

5361
04:24:48,230 --> 04:24:50,260
 and that's why I'm seeking your support

5362
04:24:50,260 --> 04:24:52,060
 to direct staff to come back with a report

5363
04:24:52,060 --> 04:24:54,510
 because I'd like to understand what are the

5364
04:24:54,510 --> 04:24:55,290
 benefits

5365
04:24:55,290 --> 04:25:00,570
 and downsides of the various approaches.

5366
04:25:00,570 --> 04:25:03,100
 And I think that staff being able to provide that

5367
04:25:03,100 --> 04:25:03,540
 to us

5368
04:25:03,540 --> 04:25:05,320
 would help us make an informed and better

5369
04:25:05,320 --> 04:25:05,820
 decision,

5370
04:25:05,820 --> 04:25:08,810
 including cost and other impacts.

5371
04:25:08,810 --> 04:25:11,640
 So at this point, it's not saying

5372
04:25:11,640 --> 04:25:13,720
 we should implement a plan today or tomorrow.

5373
04:25:13,720 --> 04:25:15,550
 It's simply asking staff to come back

5374
04:25:15,550 --> 04:25:17,870
 and report on what we can do.

5375
04:25:17,870 --> 04:25:21,420
 And I do think in regards to the speaker,

5376
04:25:21,420 --> 04:25:23,180
 I think this is trying to protect

5377
04:25:23,180 --> 04:25:24,810
 the existing affordable housing we have.

5378
04:25:24,810 --> 04:25:26,250
 There are reports that show

5379
04:25:26,250 --> 04:25:28,410
 for every new single unit of affordable housing

5380
04:25:28,410 --> 04:25:28,760
 we build,

5381
04:25:28,760 --> 04:25:31,200
 which is usually still, as was pointed out,

5382
04:25:31,200 --> 04:25:32,950
 much more expensive.

5383
04:25:32,950 --> 04:25:34,870
 We lose 19 units in the city.

5384
04:25:34,870 --> 04:25:38,180
 So I think we need to protect the stock we have

5385
04:25:38,180 --> 04:25:41,660
 because it's actually a better bang for our buck

5386
04:25:41,660 --> 04:25:42,930
 and trying to build new units.

5387
04:25:42,930 --> 04:25:45,980
 And including also keeps people housed,

5388
04:25:45,980 --> 04:25:48,170
 which is obviously what we're trying to do.

5389
04:25:48,170 --> 04:25:50,070
 So I look forward to the discussion

5390
04:25:50,070 --> 04:25:53,000
 and would love this committee's support on this

5391
04:25:53,000 --> 04:25:54,470
 motion.

5392
04:25:54,470 --> 04:25:55,490
 - Thank you.

5393
04:25:55,490 --> 04:25:58,550
 In port 10 to six, although we only have another

5394
04:25:58,550 --> 04:25:58,910
 item,

5395
04:25:58,910 --> 04:26:00,510
 couple items on the agenda.

5396
04:26:00,510 --> 04:26:02,980
 We're probably going to go past.

5397
04:26:02,980 --> 04:26:06,860
 So I'm going to need permission of the committee

5398
04:26:06,860 --> 04:26:08,240
 to go past some of that.

5399
04:26:08,240 --> 04:26:09,420
 - I'll move that motion here.

5400
04:26:09,420 --> 04:26:12,150
 - Okay, and Councillor Stevenson has seconded it,

5401
04:26:12,150 --> 04:26:25,400
 so we'll call that vote.

5402
04:26:25,400 --> 04:26:28,630
 - Opposing the vote, the motion carries three to

5403
04:26:28,630 --> 04:26:30,920
 zero.

5404
04:26:30,920 --> 04:26:33,180
 - Okay, so we have a motion moved and seconded.

5405
04:26:33,180 --> 04:26:36,390
 I'll open it to questions or comments

5406
04:26:36,390 --> 04:26:37,980
 from committee members who are visiting.

5407
04:26:37,980 --> 04:26:46,210
 Councillors, Councillor Cuddy.

5408
04:26:46,210 --> 04:26:50,020
 - So a question to the maker of the motion,

5409
04:26:50,020 --> 04:26:53,520
 'cause I was the mover.

5410
04:26:53,520 --> 04:26:55,000
 You're asking staff to come back

5411
04:26:55,000 --> 04:26:59,490
 with some recommendations on this, Councillor?

5412
04:26:59,490 --> 04:27:01,600
 - Yes.

5413
04:27:01,600 --> 04:27:03,140
 - Councillor Cuddy.

5414
04:27:03,140 --> 04:27:04,980
 - Thank you, Chair.

5415
04:27:04,980 --> 04:27:07,410
 Yeah, just to comment, I do have some issues

5416
04:27:07,410 --> 04:27:12,760
 with putting burdens on landlords.

5417
04:27:12,760 --> 04:27:15,040
 We have some landlords as we know.

5418
04:27:15,040 --> 04:27:23,230
 We've discussed in the past that our difficult on

5419
04:27:23,230 --> 04:27:24,110
 tenants.

5420
04:27:24,110 --> 04:27:26,340
 That's why the renovation bylaw was passed

5421
04:27:26,340 --> 04:27:30,430
 a couple of years, actually a year ago, March.

5422
04:27:30,430 --> 04:27:31,720
 We've made some good progress.

5423
04:27:31,720 --> 04:27:33,970
 We've learned yesterday that we're making more

5424
04:27:33,970 --> 04:27:34,480
 progress

5425
04:27:34,480 --> 04:27:38,870
 with that, we're making some changes to it.

5426
04:27:38,870 --> 04:27:43,960
 - I'll support this motion and we'll see

5427
04:27:43,960 --> 04:27:45,270
 what staff comes back with.

5428
04:27:45,270 --> 04:27:47,190
 Thank you.

5429
04:27:47,190 --> 04:27:51,250
 - A little further comments or questions.

5430
04:27:51,250 --> 04:27:53,380
 Councillor Ferrell.

5431
04:27:53,380 --> 04:27:54,580
 - Thank you.

5432
04:27:54,580 --> 04:27:56,600
 First, thanks to Councillor Frank for bringing us

5433
04:27:56,600 --> 04:27:56,860
 forward.

5434
04:27:56,860 --> 04:27:58,670
 Obviously, I'm gonna support this.

5435
04:27:58,670 --> 04:28:01,460
 I've been trying to see this for a while

5436
04:28:01,460 --> 04:28:04,860
 and this, I guess I'll speak to the first part

5437
04:28:04,860 --> 04:28:05,970
 that kind of comes to my mind

5438
04:28:05,970 --> 04:28:08,700
 and it's the fact that we're speaking about,

5439
04:28:08,700 --> 04:28:11,870
 I guess what you could call naturally occurring

5440
04:28:11,870 --> 04:28:14,510
 affordable housing and that's housing that's in

5441
04:28:14,510 --> 04:28:16,490
 rent control buildings built

5442
04:28:16,490 --> 04:28:19,240
 prior to 2018 and it's the type of housing that

5443
04:28:19,240 --> 04:28:21,210
 people are in because they

5444
04:28:21,210 --> 04:28:23,890
 can afford it. It's they usually longstanding

5445
04:28:23,890 --> 04:28:25,340
 tenants usually units that

5446
04:28:25,340 --> 04:28:27,830
 are beyond one or two bedrooms and those are the

5447
04:28:27,830 --> 04:28:29,060
 type of units that people

5448
04:28:29,060 --> 04:28:31,230
 are staying in regardless if they want to leave

5449
04:28:31,230 --> 04:28:32,200
 or not because there's not

5450
04:28:32,200 --> 04:28:35,500
 really many units out there that would directly

5451
04:28:35,500 --> 04:28:37,730
 accommodate their needs and be

5452
04:28:37,730 --> 04:28:41,000
 at the level of what they can afford.

5453
04:28:41,000 --> 04:28:43,930
 We have, you know, we have a lot of housing in

5454
04:28:43,930 --> 04:28:44,350
 London.

5455
04:28:44,350 --> 04:28:45,940
 I know housing is an issue,

5456
04:28:45,940 --> 04:28:48,090
 but usually when I hear, you know,

5457
04:28:48,090 --> 04:28:49,450
 we have a housing crisis in London,

5458
04:28:49,450 --> 04:28:50,400
 it should be confirmed

5459
04:28:50,400 --> 04:28:52,450
 that we have an affordable housing crisis in

5460
04:28:52,450 --> 04:28:52,950
 London.

5461
04:28:52,950 --> 04:28:54,420
 Like if you were to look at the last market

5462
04:28:54,420 --> 04:28:54,790
 reports,

5463
04:28:54,790 --> 04:28:57,340
 we do have vacancy rates that are escalating,

5464
04:28:57,340 --> 04:28:59,810
 that are increasing and they are doing so

5465
04:28:59,810 --> 04:29:02,970
 in short, constricted amounts of time.

5466
04:29:02,970 --> 04:29:05,340
 But when you compare that directly with the

5467
04:29:05,340 --> 04:29:06,040
 vacancy rate

5468
04:29:06,040 --> 04:29:08,750
 affordable housing that's very very low it's very

5469
04:29:08,750 --> 04:29:10,140
 very low it's I think it's

5470
04:29:10,140 --> 04:29:14,010
 around 1% right now and that just makes it see

5471
04:29:14,010 --> 04:29:16,200
 makes it that ability to secure

5472
04:29:16,200 --> 04:29:18,040
 that type of housing for anybody who wants to

5473
04:29:18,040 --> 04:29:19,310
 move or who has to move very

5474
04:29:19,310 --> 04:29:21,970
 difficult to do and there is a real competitive

5475
04:29:21,970 --> 04:29:23,930
 market out there to get that

5476
04:29:23,930 --> 04:29:27,340
 affordable housing so a motion like this that

5477
04:29:27,340 --> 04:29:29,660
 would be able to at least find a

5478
04:29:29,660 --> 04:29:32,320
 way or a path forward at least have staff explore

5479
04:29:32,320 --> 04:29:33,630
 what can be done to make

5480
04:29:33,630 --> 04:29:37,170
 sure that that housing or other housing or

5481
04:29:37,170 --> 04:29:37,450
 financial

5482
04:29:37,450 --> 04:29:40,110
 compensations or whatever it may be exists for

5483
04:29:40,110 --> 04:29:41,200
 individuals who may be at

5484
04:29:41,200 --> 04:29:43,590
 risk of losing their rent controlled affordable

5485
04:29:43,590 --> 04:29:45,010
 housing

5486
04:29:45,010 --> 04:29:47,670
 is a very good direction that we need to go. Like

5487
04:29:47,670 --> 04:29:48,870
 our strategic directions you know

5488
04:29:48,870 --> 04:29:50,830
 we want to maintain our affordable housing we

5489
04:29:50,830 --> 04:29:51,870
 want to reduce

5490
04:29:51,870 --> 04:29:55,570
 homelessness and when you really think about that

5491
04:29:55,570 --> 04:29:57,610
 you know the first point that you can really do

5492
04:29:57,610 --> 04:29:59,060
 that is stopping homelessness

5493
04:29:59,060 --> 04:30:01,710
 before it begins and stopping homelessness before

5494
04:30:01,710 --> 04:30:02,300
 it begins really

5495
04:30:02,300 --> 04:30:05,820
 will begin at, you know, taking away or easing

5496
04:30:05,820 --> 04:30:07,360
 the pressure from individuals who might be

5497
04:30:07,360 --> 04:30:09,700
 at risk of homelessness. Like, a cost that should

5498
04:30:09,700 --> 04:30:11,600
 be referenced here is, in our last

5499
04:30:11,600 --> 04:30:15,160
 evaluation report, homelessness and a reactive

5500
04:30:15,160 --> 04:30:18,940
 sense costs the city and the province together

5501
04:30:18,940 --> 04:30:20,630
 cumulatively when it comes to our municipal law

5502
04:30:20,630 --> 04:30:22,500
 enforcement, when it comes to our policing,

5503
04:30:22,500 --> 04:30:24,950
 when it comes to our emergency department visits

5504
04:30:24,950 --> 04:30:27,700
 around $100,000 a year per person on

5505
04:30:27,700 --> 04:30:30,540
 on the street like that's very expensive.

5506
04:30:30,540 --> 04:30:33,740
 So if we were to find some type of avenue

5507
04:30:33,740 --> 04:30:37,230
 or some type of policy that will reduce that cost

5508
04:30:37,230 --> 04:30:37,330
,

5509
04:30:37,230 --> 04:30:39,270
 it will not only reduce the cost on the taxpayer,

5510
04:30:39,270 --> 04:30:42,000
 but it will also reduce the cost of the social

5511
04:30:42,000 --> 04:30:42,220
 cost

5512
04:30:42,220 --> 04:30:43,210
 that we see outside.

5513
04:30:43,210 --> 04:30:45,370
 And it will also give the city what the city is

5514
04:30:45,370 --> 04:30:46,150
 asking for.

5515
04:30:46,150 --> 04:30:50,390
 So this type of motion will align our strategic

5516
04:30:50,390 --> 04:30:50,900
 objectives

5517
04:30:50,900 --> 04:30:54,190
 within our strategic plan with policies

5518
04:30:54,190 --> 04:30:56,730
 or with how we go about our planning process.

5519
04:30:56,730 --> 04:30:57,970
 And I really appreciate that.

5520
04:30:57,970 --> 04:30:59,560
 And I really think that's very needed.

5521
04:30:59,560 --> 04:31:01,030
 It's not needed today.

5522
04:31:01,030 --> 04:31:01,860
 It's not needed tomorrow.

5523
04:31:01,860 --> 04:31:02,810
 It was needed yesterday.

5524
04:31:02,810 --> 04:31:04,970
 It was needed last year.

5525
04:31:04,970 --> 04:31:07,860
 So I really hope that we can get support for that

5526
04:31:07,860 --> 04:31:09,990
 because this is definitely the direction

5527
04:31:09,990 --> 04:31:11,300
 that the city needs right now.

5528
04:31:11,300 --> 04:31:13,770
 So I'm gonna be fully supportive of this motion

5529
04:31:13,770 --> 04:31:14,720
 when it comes to council.

5530
04:31:14,720 --> 04:31:16,180
 And I think it was, it's great working.

5531
04:31:16,180 --> 04:31:18,110
 And I hope that this committee can support it

5532
04:31:18,110 --> 04:31:18,380
 here.

5533
04:31:18,380 --> 04:31:22,590
 And I hope that we can support it at council.

5534
04:31:22,590 --> 04:31:24,950
 And I look forward to seeing what comes back.

5535
04:31:24,950 --> 04:31:28,000
 like clearly we can see from what Councilor Frank

5536
04:31:28,000 --> 04:31:30,800
 has indicated that there are other municipalities

5537
04:31:30,800 --> 04:31:33,800
 that have brought these extra protections.

5538
04:31:33,800 --> 04:31:36,120
 Whether it's Mississauga, Oakville, Hamilton,

5539
04:31:36,120 --> 04:31:38,730
 or Kitchener, these protections exist

5540
04:31:38,730 --> 04:31:43,330
 and they seem to also be allowed under the

5541
04:31:43,330 --> 04:31:44,320
 Municipal Act.

5542
04:31:44,320 --> 04:31:49,260
 So having staff look into what the city can

5543
04:31:49,260 --> 04:31:49,660
 actually do

5544
04:31:49,660 --> 04:31:51,970
 for those extra protections, I think is a great

5545
04:31:51,970 --> 04:31:52,710
 direction.

5546
04:31:52,710 --> 04:31:55,260
 So I'm hoping for full support from the committee

5547
04:31:55,260 --> 04:31:55,360
.

5548
04:31:55,260 --> 04:31:57,200
 I'm hoping for full support at council.

5549
04:31:57,200 --> 04:31:59,440
 You'll see me definitely support this and thanks

5550
04:31:59,440 --> 04:32:01,030
 again.

5551
04:32:01,030 --> 04:32:02,390
 - I look for other comments or questions

5552
04:32:02,390 --> 04:32:09,950
 from committee or visiting councilors.

5553
04:32:09,950 --> 04:32:12,790
 Councilor Kerbal.

5554
04:32:12,790 --> 04:32:13,980
 - I'm not gonna take a lot of time

5555
04:32:13,980 --> 04:32:17,850
 because the council have proposed this motion

5556
04:32:17,850 --> 04:32:20,470
 is very clear, very much in support of it, very

5557
04:32:20,470 --> 04:32:21,810
 simple.

5558
04:32:21,810 --> 04:32:22,660
 - Thank you.

5559
04:32:22,660 --> 04:32:24,400
 Any other comments or questions?

5560
04:32:24,400 --> 04:32:26,860
 We have a motion moved and seconded.

5561
04:32:26,860 --> 04:32:29,320
 Councilor. - Oh, just to say,

5562
04:32:29,320 --> 04:32:31,740
 if anybody's gonna be surprised,

5563
04:32:31,740 --> 04:32:33,750
 I'll be supporting this at council.

5564
04:32:33,750 --> 04:32:35,700
 I appreciate you bringing this forward.

5565
04:32:35,700 --> 04:32:39,140
 I think there's a need for this,

5566
04:32:39,140 --> 04:32:43,110
 and I'll just leave it at that today.

5567
04:32:43,110 --> 04:32:46,610
 - Thank you, Councilor Rama.

5568
04:32:46,610 --> 04:32:47,450
 - Thank you and through you.

5569
04:32:47,450 --> 04:32:49,570
 So yes, I'm supportive of the direction

5570
04:32:49,570 --> 04:32:51,160
 that we're looking to take.

5571
04:32:51,160 --> 04:32:54,180
 My concern though lies with what do we do in the

5572
04:32:54,180 --> 04:32:55,070
 meantime,

5573
04:32:55,070 --> 04:32:58,100
 because we have applications coming forward

5574
04:32:58,100 --> 04:32:58,660
 already,

5575
04:32:58,660 --> 04:33:01,820
 continue to come forward where we're having these

5576
04:33:01,820 --> 04:33:05,130
 conversations with developers as to,

5577
04:33:05,130 --> 04:33:07,300
 or people are having conversations with

5578
04:33:07,300 --> 04:33:07,620
 developers

5579
04:33:07,620 --> 04:33:10,360
 around what kind of remedies we can do in the

5580
04:33:10,360 --> 04:33:10,890
 interim.

5581
04:33:10,890 --> 04:33:14,080
 We now know, based on what just came up in the

5582
04:33:14,080 --> 04:33:14,640
 news story,

5583
04:33:14,640 --> 04:33:16,560
 that those don't hold water.

5584
04:33:16,560 --> 04:33:19,790
 So we're going to have to, I guess,

5585
04:33:19,790 --> 04:33:23,610
 rely on the fact that we don't have anything in

5586
04:33:23,610 --> 04:33:24,300
 place

5587
04:33:24,300 --> 04:33:29,770
 to ensure these protections right now

5588
04:33:29,770 --> 04:33:32,390
 and make our decisions accordingly,

5589
04:33:32,390 --> 04:33:35,700
 knowing that we have nothing to allow for these

5590
04:33:35,700 --> 04:33:36,290
 protections

5591
04:33:36,290 --> 04:33:38,380
 as we move forward until such time as a report

5592
04:33:38,380 --> 04:33:40,750
 comes back and we make a decision.

5593
04:33:40,750 --> 04:33:43,460
 - Thank you, other comments?

5594
04:33:43,460 --> 04:33:44,530
 From the chair, thanks.

5595
04:33:44,530 --> 04:33:46,150
 Thank you, Councillor Frank.

5596
04:33:46,150 --> 04:33:48,880
 We ran into this with a recent development.

5597
04:33:48,880 --> 04:33:54,160
 The developer was supportive of finding

5598
04:33:54,160 --> 04:34:00,190
 other accommodation for the existing tenants.

5599
04:34:00,190 --> 04:34:02,850
 What is the protection for those developers

5600
04:34:02,850 --> 04:34:04,420
 that are not so inclined.

5601
04:34:04,420 --> 04:34:07,090
 At the end of the day though,

5602
04:34:07,090 --> 04:34:10,490
 it still comes to this community council

5603
04:34:10,490 --> 04:34:12,340
 when we're deciding on such things.

5604
04:34:12,340 --> 04:34:16,890
 So that type of response, we'll play into that.

5605
04:34:16,890 --> 04:34:18,470
 I actually think this is a good thing

5606
04:34:18,470 --> 04:34:21,160
 that it goes into Q1 to 27, speaking with staff.

5607
04:34:21,160 --> 04:34:22,890
 They have a tremendous amount of stuff

5608
04:34:22,890 --> 04:34:25,320
 on their plate right now that we need

5609
04:34:25,320 --> 04:34:28,230
 to get finish this term.

5610
04:34:28,230 --> 04:34:31,090
 So I will support this.

5611
04:34:31,090 --> 04:34:35,310
 And one of the reasons is it goes into Q1 of 2027

5612
04:34:35,310 --> 04:34:35,410
.

5613
04:34:35,350 --> 04:34:38,850
 So that will be supported for this.

5614
04:34:38,850 --> 04:34:40,590
 We have a motion moved in second, I'll call the

5615
04:34:40,590 --> 04:34:55,300
 vote.

5616
04:34:55,300 --> 04:34:59,820
 - Seeing the vote, the motion carries two to one.

5617
04:34:59,820 --> 04:35:02,810
 - Okay, moving on to 4.2.

5618
04:35:02,810 --> 04:35:05,010
 This is regarding Meadow Valley

5619
04:35:05,010 --> 04:35:07,580
 at a wander on road,

5620
04:35:07,580 --> 04:35:09,840
 the environmentally significant area,

5621
04:35:09,840 --> 04:35:12,620
 area, encroachments and master plan.

5622
04:35:12,620 --> 04:35:18,740
 So I'm just gonna put this on the floor right now

5623
04:35:18,740 --> 04:35:22,990
 I'll see what bubbles up as far as suggested

5624
04:35:22,990 --> 04:35:23,620
 motions

5625
04:35:23,620 --> 04:35:28,360
 because more counselors here and next year's work

5626
04:35:28,360 --> 04:35:29,030
 counselor

5627
04:35:29,030 --> 04:35:31,970
 will be running in that area from my

5628
04:35:31,970 --> 04:35:33,280
 understanding.

5629
04:35:33,280 --> 04:35:37,840
 So I just wanna hear, you know,

5630
04:35:37,840 --> 04:35:39,960
 what comes from committee members or visiting

5631
04:35:39,960 --> 04:35:41,450
 counselors.

5632
04:35:41,450 --> 04:35:43,890
 So I'll put it on the floor for those in

5633
04:35:43,890 --> 04:35:49,700
 attendance.

5634
04:35:49,700 --> 04:35:53,600
 - Yes, Chair, I'll just pass for the moment

5635
04:35:53,600 --> 04:35:55,610
 if you don't mind, Google it.

5636
04:35:55,610 --> 04:35:57,730
 - I'm sorry, I'm not ready at the moment.

5637
04:35:57,730 --> 04:36:01,130
 - Okay, so we'll just pause for a second.

5638
04:36:01,130 --> 04:36:17,950
 Okay, Councillor ramen, do you want to speak to

5639
04:36:17,950 --> 04:36:18,070
 it?

5640
04:36:18,070 --> 04:36:21,590
 Well, Councillor Cudi's working on it.

5641
04:36:21,590 --> 04:36:22,550
 - Thank you and through you.

5642
04:36:22,550 --> 04:36:27,990
 So I'm hoping that I might get support

5643
04:36:27,990 --> 04:36:30,120
 from a member of this committee

5644
04:36:30,120 --> 04:36:32,050
 to move an alternative motion.

5645
04:36:32,050 --> 04:36:35,650
 The alternative motion I'm looking to move

5646
04:36:35,650 --> 04:36:37,250
 is not withstanding the recommendation

5647
04:36:37,250 --> 04:36:39,290
 of the deputy city manager housing and community

5648
04:36:39,290 --> 04:36:39,560
 growth.

5649
04:36:39,560 --> 04:36:41,510
 The following actions be taken with respect

5650
04:36:41,510 --> 04:36:44,620
 to the staff report dated April 14th, 2026

5651
04:36:44,620 --> 04:36:46,800
 related to the Medway Valley Heritage Forest

5652
04:36:46,800 --> 04:36:47,010
 South,

5653
04:36:47,010 --> 04:36:49,570
 environmental, environmentally significant area,

5654
04:36:49,570 --> 04:36:51,560
 Adwondering Road, encroachments,

5655
04:36:51,560 --> 04:36:53,710
 and the Conservation Master Plan.

5656
04:36:53,710 --> 04:36:56,260
 A, the above-noted staff report be received.

5657
04:36:56,260 --> 04:36:59,570
 B, notice of the following recommended actions

5658
04:36:59,570 --> 04:37:02,500
 be circulated to the abutting neighborhood,

5659
04:37:02,500 --> 04:37:05,880
 removing the planned level three paved multi-use

5660
04:37:05,880 --> 04:37:06,320
 trail

5661
04:37:06,320 --> 04:37:08,820
 east of Adwondering Road from the Conservation

5662
04:37:08,820 --> 04:37:09,500
 Master Plan

5663
04:37:09,500 --> 04:37:11,930
 and designate the passive recreation area as a

5664
04:37:11,930 --> 04:37:12,320
 park

5665
04:37:12,320 --> 04:37:14,310
 as per the historical use.

5666
04:37:14,310 --> 04:37:17,240
 to regularize the existing informal trail

5667
04:37:17,240 --> 04:37:18,730
 as a level one trail.

5668
04:37:18,730 --> 04:37:22,710
 The next three would be plan to 10 meter

5669
04:37:22,710 --> 04:37:25,590
 naturalized buffer associated with the regener

5670
04:37:25,590 --> 04:37:25,960
ating

5671
04:37:25,960 --> 04:37:28,730
 cultural meadow and implement the previous

5672
04:37:28,730 --> 04:37:30,980
 restoration efforts.

5673
04:37:30,980 --> 04:37:33,880
 Part C, the civic administration be directed to

5674
04:37:33,880 --> 04:37:35,380
 evaluate

5675
04:37:35,380 --> 04:37:38,710
 and identify the area behind 1630 to 1726

5676
04:37:38,710 --> 04:37:40,720
 out of one road to be maintained as a park

5677
04:37:40,720 --> 04:37:42,720
 as it has been historically used

5678
04:37:42,720 --> 04:37:46,140
 and used for unstructured passive recreation only

5679
04:37:46,140 --> 04:37:46,240
,

5680
04:37:46,170 --> 04:37:49,650
 that is to be maintained as a mode grass area

5681
04:37:49,650 --> 04:37:52,760
 in accordance with our standards for a park.

5682
04:37:52,760 --> 04:37:54,790
 D, the civic administration be directed

5683
04:37:54,790 --> 04:37:56,590
 to report back to a future meeting

5684
04:37:56,590 --> 04:37:58,070
 of the planning and environment committee

5685
04:37:58,070 --> 04:38:00,060
 to explore options two and three,

5686
04:38:00,060 --> 04:38:02,340
 and a report back on alternative mechanisms

5687
04:38:02,340 --> 04:38:04,530
 for individual property owners with properties

5688
04:38:04,530 --> 04:38:06,930
 abutting the open space to pursue remedies

5689
04:38:06,930 --> 04:38:08,770
 where boundary disputes exist.

5690
04:38:08,770 --> 04:38:11,520
 And E, the civic administration be directed

5691
04:38:11,520 --> 04:38:13,760
 to bring forward an update to the CMP

5692
04:38:13,760 --> 04:38:16,040
 to protect the trees and shrubs native and non-

5693
04:38:16,040 --> 04:38:16,470
native

5694
04:38:16,470 --> 04:38:18,910
 that abut the add-a-wondering properties.

5695
04:38:18,910 --> 04:38:22,380
 - Okay, Councilor Cuddy, thank you Chair.

5696
04:38:22,380 --> 04:38:23,200
 I'll put that on the floor.

5697
04:38:23,200 --> 04:38:24,030
 Thank you.

5698
04:38:24,030 --> 04:38:24,850
 Well, that's put on the floor.

5699
04:38:24,850 --> 04:38:26,200
 I'll second that.

5700
04:38:26,200 --> 04:38:30,510
 I think that's in should be in front of your

5701
04:38:30,510 --> 04:38:30,790
 screen,

5702
04:38:30,790 --> 04:38:32,490
 if you refresh your screen.

5703
04:38:32,490 --> 04:38:41,970
 Perks doing that right now, and it's up.

5704
04:38:41,970 --> 04:38:44,970
 Okay, so that's on the floor.

5705
04:38:44,970 --> 04:38:48,480
 Moving in seconds, I'll open it for comments or

5706
04:38:48,480 --> 04:38:49,950
 questions.

5707
04:38:49,950 --> 04:38:52,140
 I'll go to Councilor Rhonda.

5708
04:38:52,140 --> 04:38:54,040
 Thank you if I may just provide rationale

5709
04:38:54,040 --> 04:38:56,200
 for the discussion that we're having

5710
04:38:56,200 --> 04:38:58,040
 as I turned off my screen by accident just a

5711
04:38:58,040 --> 04:38:58,570
 moment.

5712
04:38:58,570 --> 04:39:03,950
 So I wanted to share that it was less than a year

5713
04:39:03,950 --> 04:39:04,200
 ago

5714
04:39:04,200 --> 04:39:06,780
 that we were here discussing the Medway Valley

5715
04:39:06,780 --> 04:39:08,250
 environmentally significant area

5716
04:39:08,250 --> 04:39:10,110
 and the Atawandran Road Encroachments

5717
04:39:10,110 --> 04:39:11,970
 and Conservation Master Plan.

5718
04:39:11,970 --> 04:39:15,050
 A reminder that we got here

5719
04:39:15,050 --> 04:39:16,820
 because the Conservation Master Plan

5720
04:39:16,820 --> 04:39:20,120
 included a recommendation for a level three trail

5721
04:39:20,120 --> 04:39:20,220
.

5722
04:39:20,140 --> 04:39:22,970
 And this triggered a lot of the encroachment

5723
04:39:22,970 --> 04:39:23,960
 issues

5724
04:39:23,960 --> 04:39:26,030
 being enforced in the area.

5725
04:39:26,030 --> 04:39:29,220
 And a lot of those encroachment issues,

5726
04:39:29,220 --> 04:39:31,210
 as you can see in the report, exist

5727
04:39:31,210 --> 04:39:35,340
 behind properties from 1630 to 1876 at Wandern

5728
04:39:35,340 --> 04:39:35,820
 Road.

5729
04:39:35,820 --> 04:39:41,360
 And they include misaligned fences, very one,

5730
04:39:41,360 --> 04:39:43,110
 I think, retaining wall or something

5731
04:39:43,110 --> 04:39:46,090
 of that sort, structures and trees and shrubs,

5732
04:39:46,090 --> 04:39:50,290
 for the most part, onto city-owned open space.

5733
04:39:50,290 --> 04:39:53,510
 The level one trail meanders and opens into a

5734
04:39:53,510 --> 04:39:55,530
 grass park-like area.

5735
04:39:55,530 --> 04:39:59,500
 In fact, it has signage that calls it Adwondron

5736
04:39:59,500 --> 04:40:00,190
 Park.

5737
04:40:00,190 --> 04:40:02,690
 As the trail extends south through the mode area,

5738
04:40:02,690 --> 04:40:04,620
 which has been this way since the late

5739
04:40:04,620 --> 04:40:07,980
 1970s, towards Museum of Ontario Archaeology,

5740
04:40:07,980 --> 04:40:10,130
 parking area, the trail path becomes

5741
04:40:10,130 --> 04:40:11,090
 progressively

5742
04:40:11,090 --> 04:40:14,080
 less defined as the area but the area is still

5743
04:40:14,080 --> 04:40:16,760
 firm and stable, and I'm not sure that it's

5744
04:40:16,760 --> 04:40:20,570
 necessary to define it further in that area as it

5745
04:40:20,570 --> 04:40:22,720
 has been used as a park.

5746
04:40:22,720 --> 04:40:24,860
 I'm in agreement with the 10 meter naturalized

5747
04:40:24,860 --> 04:40:27,900
 buffer that is currently in place and when

5748
04:40:27,900 --> 04:40:31,230
 I say currently in place, the neighborhood has in

5749
04:40:31,230 --> 04:40:34,160
 their submission and the added agenda

5750
04:40:34,160 --> 04:40:37,900
 included where those markings exist and should be

5751
04:40:37,900 --> 04:40:41,300
 established along the forest edge to protect

5752
04:40:41,300 --> 04:40:43,580
 the identified features that is marked and right

5753
04:40:43,580 --> 04:40:46,730
 now contains a lot of invasive buckthorn.

5754
04:40:46,730 --> 04:40:49,350
 existing mode open space area should be

5755
04:40:49,350 --> 04:40:52,330
 maintained in full while providing a

5756
04:40:52,330 --> 04:40:54,730
 sufficient naturalized buffer to protect the

5757
04:40:54,730 --> 04:40:55,920
 natural natural heritage

5758
04:40:55,920 --> 04:40:58,850
 features and functions over the long term. As

5759
04:40:58,850 --> 04:41:00,690
 noted in the package there was

5760
04:41:00,690 --> 04:41:03,140
 historical encouragement for property owners to

5761
04:41:03,140 --> 04:41:04,550
 plant trees and to have these

5762
04:41:04,550 --> 04:41:06,960
 tax-paying property owners maintain the

5763
04:41:06,960 --> 04:41:09,790
 landscapes of the sloped boundary area

5764
04:41:09,790 --> 04:41:12,570
 abutting the park on behalf of the city of London

5765
04:41:12,570 --> 04:41:15,060
. I support pausing the tree

5766
04:41:15,060 --> 04:41:17,470
 removal of the non-native trees from city-owned

5767
04:41:17,470 --> 04:41:19,020
 lands within the Medaway Valley

5768
04:41:19,020 --> 04:41:21,840
 ESA until this can be contemplated and revised in

5769
04:41:21,840 --> 04:41:23,540
 the Conservation Master Plan.

5770
04:41:23,540 --> 04:41:27,290
 Many of these changes require the city undertake

5771
04:41:27,290 --> 04:41:29,190
 a PPM. My request is that the

5772
04:41:29,190 --> 04:41:31,580
 PPM take place when the encroachment matters are

5773
04:41:31,580 --> 04:41:33,370
 also dealt with. Otherwise

5774
04:41:33,370 --> 04:41:35,780
 it will be difficult for residents to separate

5775
04:41:35,780 --> 04:41:38,100
 those discussions and may

5776
04:41:38,100 --> 04:41:40,860
 create further further complications in the

5777
04:41:40,860 --> 04:41:42,840
 public participation meaning

5778
04:41:42,840 --> 04:41:48,120
 process. Many did participate in the PPM and

5779
04:41:48,120 --> 04:41:50,270
 participate in the discussion when we were

5780
04:41:50,270 --> 04:41:54,320
 first discussing removing the level three trail.

5781
04:41:54,320 --> 04:41:57,660
 And as such, they are aware that the

5782
04:41:57,660 --> 04:42:03,470
 decision was made to move it to a level one. Rev

5783
04:42:03,470 --> 04:42:06,460
ising the conservation master plan to incorporate

5784
04:42:06,460 --> 04:42:08,710
 these changes would require a bylaw amendment

5785
04:42:08,710 --> 04:42:11,240
 later on to remove the planned level three trail

5786
04:42:11,240 --> 04:42:14,760
 from the sustained trail concept figures include

5787
04:42:14,760 --> 04:42:17,370
 in the conservation master plan and add a new

5788
04:42:17,370 --> 04:42:20,300
 figure to provide a more detailed concept plan

5789
04:42:20,300 --> 04:42:23,190
 for the Adwondering Road area. And with this mind

5790
04:42:23,190 --> 04:42:25,560
 that would be the time to bring all of these

5791
04:42:25,560 --> 04:42:28,770
 items together for a public participation meeting

5792
04:42:28,770 --> 04:42:28,870
.

5793
04:42:28,770 --> 04:42:31,940
 And that's my submission. Okay. Thank you. I'll

5794
04:42:31,940 --> 04:42:33,970
 look for comments or questions from members of

5795
04:42:33,970 --> 04:42:37,780
 committee or is in Councilors. Councillor Trussa.

5796
04:42:37,780 --> 04:42:42,620
 Yes, I just want to say in advance I can't vote

5797
04:42:42,620 --> 04:42:45,260
 here today, but I'm fundamentally opposed to this

5798
04:42:45,260 --> 04:42:47,370
 amendment. I support the staff report.

5799
04:42:47,370 --> 04:42:50,740
 I think the staff report is much better policy. I

5800
04:42:50,740 --> 04:42:54,810
 think it involves much less by way of legal risks

5801
04:42:54,810 --> 04:42:54,910
,

5802
04:42:54,810 --> 04:42:58,240
 and I think there's a lot of work that's been

5803
04:42:58,240 --> 04:43:02,690
 done on this file over the last few years.

5804
04:43:02,690 --> 04:43:05,780
 And I think that, yes, there's going to have to

5805
04:43:05,780 --> 04:43:07,400
 be a public participation

5806
04:43:08,400 --> 04:43:11,980
 meeting. But I think it's a mistake. I think it's

5807
04:43:11,980 --> 04:43:15,720
 a, it's a huge mistake, specifically D.

5808
04:43:15,720 --> 04:43:21,620
 I think, I think D is against the interest of the

5809
04:43:21,620 --> 04:43:26,170
 city. It's prejudicial. It will be viewed as

5810
04:43:26,170 --> 04:43:29,590
 biased and unfair by other people who have

5811
04:43:29,590 --> 04:43:32,730
 complied. And I think overall it's, it's bad

5812
04:43:32,730 --> 04:43:33,590
 policy.

5813
04:43:33,590 --> 04:43:37,170
 So I'm going to, um, at council, I'm going to, um

5814
04:43:37,170 --> 04:43:41,340
, oppose this. I, I hope you will vote this down

5815
04:43:41,340 --> 04:43:44,480
 and uh recommend the staff report because I think

5816
04:43:44,480 --> 04:43:48,570
 the staff report is uh much much much

5817
04:43:48,570 --> 04:43:51,270
 sounder and I think that's really all I can say

5818
04:43:51,270 --> 04:43:55,050
 right now please please don't please don't

5819
04:43:55,050 --> 04:43:58,670
 adopt this as an amendment and um I think the

5820
04:43:58,670 --> 04:44:02,100
 staff report should be accepted thank you thank

5821
04:44:02,100 --> 04:44:04,910
 you I look for other comments or questions uh

5822
04:44:04,910 --> 04:44:07,580
 council for thank you I guess further to that I

5823
04:44:07,580 --> 04:44:10,020
 can't support this either um we see that there's

5824
04:44:10,020 --> 04:44:12,990
 17 to 45 properties that have already complied

5825
04:44:12,990 --> 04:44:15,300
 what are they going to say if we pause this and

5826
04:44:15,300 --> 04:44:18,640
 look into the other options um the level the

5827
04:44:18,640 --> 04:44:18,880
 removal

5828
04:44:18,880 --> 04:44:21,750
 of the level three path to level one trail is

5829
04:44:21,750 --> 04:44:24,620
 already um in my opinion um not good not a good

5830
04:44:24,620 --> 04:44:26,970
 way for it as it is but just kind of going back

5831
04:44:26,970 --> 04:44:29,700
 and just looking at these other options and

5832
04:44:29,700 --> 04:44:32,240
 continuing to potentially allow these encroach

5833
04:44:32,240 --> 04:44:34,800
ments to exist I think is not the appropriate way

5834
04:44:34,800 --> 04:44:34,950
 to

5835
04:44:34,950 --> 04:44:37,630
 go like my neighbor has asked me who has their

5836
04:44:37,630 --> 04:44:40,220
 property a budding on city property if they could

5837
04:44:40,220 --> 04:44:43,100
 could extend their patio out onto city property.

5838
04:44:43,100 --> 04:44:44,970
 And I was saying, no, you can't do that

5839
04:44:44,970 --> 04:44:46,250
 because that city property,

5840
04:44:46,250 --> 04:44:48,960
 how am I supposed to explain this movement?

5841
04:44:48,960 --> 04:44:50,760
 Like in that case, when,

5842
04:44:50,760 --> 04:44:52,270
 if this were to be something that would be

5843
04:44:52,270 --> 04:44:52,560
 pursued,

5844
04:44:52,560 --> 04:44:53,870
 they may be able to do that.

5845
04:44:53,870 --> 04:44:56,040
 They may be able to just go and approach on that

5846
04:44:56,040 --> 04:44:56,150
 land,

5847
04:44:56,150 --> 04:44:58,460
 then hopefully we decide that, you know,

5848
04:44:58,460 --> 04:45:00,150
 we'll come up with an agreement that they can

5849
04:45:00,150 --> 04:45:00,900
 take the land.

5850
04:45:00,900 --> 04:45:03,370
 I don't think that's a very good way to go.

5851
04:45:03,370 --> 04:45:06,360
 I think we should enforce the city's legal

5852
04:45:06,360 --> 04:45:07,120
 authority

5853
04:45:07,120 --> 04:45:08,840
 over the public land as the city owns it,

5854
04:45:08,840 --> 04:45:11,000
 especially when it comes to parklands.

5855
04:45:11,000 --> 04:45:13,230
 And I won't be able to support this council.

5856
04:45:13,230 --> 04:45:14,970
 I can't vote here, but I can't support this

5857
04:45:14,970 --> 04:45:17,180
 direction either.

5858
04:45:17,180 --> 04:45:18,450
 - Thank you, I'll look for other comments

5859
04:45:18,450 --> 04:45:20,620
 or questions, Councilor Frick.

5860
04:45:20,620 --> 04:45:23,370
 - Thank you, I just have a few questions to staff

5861
04:45:23,370 --> 04:45:25,150
 to understand this motion a little bit more.

5862
04:45:25,150 --> 04:45:29,170
 I'm just wondering, does this then take ESA land

5863
04:45:29,170 --> 04:45:31,620
 and turn into parkland?

5864
04:45:31,620 --> 04:45:34,960
 - I'll go to staff.

5865
04:45:34,960 --> 04:45:36,770
 - Through the Chair, this amendment is requesting

5866
04:45:36,770 --> 04:45:41,120
 that the historic use of the open space

5867
04:45:41,120 --> 04:45:43,950
 behind the Adewondering Homes be taken into Park

5868
04:45:43,950 --> 04:45:44,230
land,

5869
04:45:44,230 --> 04:45:46,580
 which has established processes

5870
04:45:46,580 --> 04:45:49,490
 and would require environment infrastructure

5871
04:45:49,490 --> 04:45:51,760
 to initiate their processes.

5872
04:45:51,760 --> 04:45:54,950
 In addition, we just would like to note

5873
04:45:54,950 --> 04:45:58,620
 that all ESAs are currently located within Park

5874
04:45:58,620 --> 04:45:59,580
land per se

5875
04:45:59,580 --> 04:46:01,750
 and that there's a variety of different Parkland

5876
04:46:01,750 --> 04:46:02,170
 components,

5877
04:46:02,170 --> 04:46:04,720
 whether those be activated, whether they be ESAs

5878
04:46:04,720 --> 04:46:08,070
 and preserved for ecosystem preservation.

5879
04:46:08,070 --> 04:46:11,670
 So although, so we would be potentially changing

5880
04:46:11,670 --> 04:46:15,520
 the maintenance mechanism and associated zoning.

5881
04:46:15,520 --> 04:46:18,320
 I'm not sure.

5882
04:46:18,320 --> 04:46:20,360
 - I'm sorry.

5883
04:46:20,360 --> 04:46:21,180
 - Thank you.

5884
04:46:21,180 --> 04:46:22,260
 And then I do see some similarities

5885
04:46:22,260 --> 04:46:24,000
 between the staff recommendation and this one.

5886
04:46:24,000 --> 04:46:27,530
 So the buffer, I'm just wondering if there's,

5887
04:46:27,530 --> 04:46:29,750
 if the buffer changes at all between the two

5888
04:46:29,750 --> 04:46:30,890
 motions.

5889
04:46:30,890 --> 04:46:34,890
 - Go ahead, staff.

5890
04:46:34,890 --> 04:46:37,320
 - Through the chair, staff are recommending a

5891
04:46:37,320 --> 04:46:37,650
 buffer

5892
04:46:37,650 --> 04:46:41,120
 associated with our recommendation as well.

5893
04:46:41,120 --> 04:46:43,350
 However, just based on the council's comments,

5894
04:46:43,350 --> 04:46:46,220
 I would be unclear what line work she is basing

5895
04:46:46,220 --> 04:46:47,060
 it off of.

5896
04:46:47,060 --> 04:46:50,040
 It does appear that the submission by the

5897
04:46:50,040 --> 04:46:50,930
 neighborhood

5898
04:46:50,930 --> 04:46:53,590
 is noting that the line would start within the

5899
04:46:53,590 --> 04:46:54,160
 feature

5900
04:46:54,160 --> 04:46:57,390
 and then be 10 meters off of that versus our line

5901
04:46:57,390 --> 04:46:57,630
 work

5902
04:46:57,630 --> 04:46:59,500
 does start at the drip line of the feature

5903
04:46:59,500 --> 04:47:02,290
 and includes areas that have already been natural

5904
04:47:02,290 --> 04:47:02,570
ized

5905
04:47:02,570 --> 04:47:05,120
 as part of Friends of Medway Valley

5906
04:47:05,120 --> 04:47:08,540
 and other ESA standard practice works.

5907
04:47:08,540 --> 04:47:10,010
 - Councilor.

5908
04:47:10,010 --> 04:47:11,440
 - Thank you for that clarification.

5909
04:47:11,440 --> 04:47:13,380
 And then in regards, I heard some comments

5910
04:47:13,380 --> 04:47:15,000
 but saving non-native trees.

5911
04:47:15,000 --> 04:47:16,310
 So I'm just wondering,

5912
04:47:16,310 --> 04:47:17,650
 'cause I'm not as familiar with this file

5913
04:47:17,650 --> 04:47:20,120
 as some of the other counselors are,

5914
04:47:20,120 --> 04:47:22,050
 is there a proposal to remove some non-native

5915
04:47:22,050 --> 04:47:22,280
 trees

5916
04:47:22,280 --> 04:47:26,260
 because they're in the ESA and they're non-native

5917
04:47:26,260 --> 04:47:26,460
?

5918
04:47:26,460 --> 04:47:29,470
 - I'll go to staff.

5919
04:47:29,470 --> 04:47:30,670
 - Through the chair, I believe that the trees

5920
04:47:30,670 --> 04:47:32,500
 that are being referenced as non-native

5921
04:47:32,500 --> 04:47:35,130
 are those that are currently on city property

5922
04:47:35,130 --> 04:47:36,800
 but located within the fenced boundaries

5923
04:47:36,800 --> 04:47:39,310
 at the encroachment sites of the residents.

5924
04:47:39,310 --> 04:47:40,270
 So I think that they're,

5925
04:47:40,270 --> 04:47:42,060
 I am assuming that the concern is

5926
04:47:42,060 --> 04:47:43,370
 that there would be a loss of shade

5927
04:47:43,370 --> 04:47:46,340
 in the existing backyard areas.

5928
04:47:46,340 --> 04:47:49,090
 Again, those are currently on-city property,

5929
04:47:49,090 --> 04:47:51,400
 but we would look to municipal compliance

5930
04:47:51,400 --> 04:47:53,430
 to address those items.

5931
04:47:53,430 --> 04:47:55,130
 - Councilor.

5932
04:47:55,130 --> 04:47:56,450
 - Thanks.

5933
04:47:56,450 --> 04:47:58,330
 Yeah, I'm probably gonna have to sit with this a

5934
04:47:58,330 --> 04:47:58,600
 little bit

5935
04:47:58,600 --> 04:48:01,310
 more, but at first glance, I'm not supportive

5936
04:48:01,310 --> 04:48:04,570
 of the alternative motion brought forward.

5937
04:48:04,570 --> 04:48:06,410
 Staff's motion seemed to have addressed

5938
04:48:06,410 --> 04:48:09,930
 most of my concerns, but I would like to perhaps

5939
04:48:09,930 --> 04:48:10,150
 chat

5940
04:48:10,150 --> 04:48:11,900
 with the council a little bit more between now

5941
04:48:11,900 --> 04:48:14,090
 and council to get a better understanding.

5942
04:48:14,090 --> 04:48:16,760
 I was happy though with the direction that staff

5943
04:48:16,760 --> 04:48:19,500
 initially proposed in the report.

5944
04:48:19,500 --> 04:48:21,020
 - Can I look for other comments or questions

5945
04:48:21,020 --> 04:48:24,540
 from committee members or visiting counselors?

5946
04:48:24,540 --> 04:48:25,660
 Councilor Ferro.

5947
04:48:25,660 --> 04:48:26,860
 - Just a question, a follow up.

5948
04:48:26,860 --> 04:48:31,850
 I see that part E to bring forward an update

5949
04:48:31,850 --> 04:48:33,760
 to the conservation master plan to protect the

5950
04:48:33,760 --> 04:48:34,010
 trees

5951
04:48:34,010 --> 04:48:39,100
 and shrubs at a future meeting.

5952
04:48:39,100 --> 04:48:42,340
 I just, well, to bring forward an update.

5953
04:48:42,340 --> 04:48:44,240
 So I just wanted to know when would we expect

5954
04:48:44,240 --> 04:48:45,920
 that update?

5955
04:48:45,920 --> 04:48:58,920
 - Go ahead, staff.

5956
04:48:58,920 --> 04:49:02,030
 the chair that affects our work program so we don

5957
04:49:02,030 --> 04:49:03,820
't have any timeline at this

5958
04:49:03,820 --> 04:49:07,760
 point. Councilor. Okay thank you and then I guess

5959
04:49:07,760 --> 04:49:10,000
 same question with with D that

5960
04:49:10,000 --> 04:49:11,740
 administration be directed to report back to a

5961
04:49:11,740 --> 04:49:14,150
 future meeting a peck to explore

5962
04:49:14,150 --> 04:49:16,780
 options two and three would we be able to know

5963
04:49:16,780 --> 04:49:18,530
 when to expect that item to come

5964
04:49:18,530 --> 04:49:24,040
 back. Good stuff. Thank you through the chair

5965
04:49:24,040 --> 04:49:26,400
 that would be the same response they

5966
04:49:26,400 --> 04:49:28,270
 would come together but at this point we don't

5967
04:49:28,270 --> 04:49:31,430
 have a timeline. Councilor. Okay

5968
04:49:31,430 --> 04:49:34,670
 - All right, I believe that we should probably

5969
04:49:34,670 --> 04:49:36,380
 have a timeline put in there.

5970
04:49:36,380 --> 04:49:38,980
 I can't do that at this committee.

5971
04:49:38,980 --> 04:49:41,120
 But just knowing when to expect this to come back

5972
04:49:41,120 --> 04:49:41,220
,

5973
04:49:41,120 --> 04:49:45,930
 especially when it comes to extending the time

5974
04:49:45,930 --> 04:49:48,350
 to explore, meaning we're not gonna be enforcing

5975
04:49:48,350 --> 04:49:52,060
 encroachments that just can push things out.

5976
04:49:52,060 --> 04:49:54,380
 And I have risks with that.

5977
04:49:54,380 --> 04:49:59,860
 There are risks with that.

5978
04:49:59,860 --> 04:50:02,730
 - Go staff.

5979
04:50:02,730 --> 04:50:04,880
 - Through the chair, that was a comment or

5980
04:50:04,880 --> 04:50:06,230
 question.

5981
04:50:06,230 --> 04:50:07,070
 - Councilor.

5982
04:50:07,070 --> 04:50:07,900
 - It was just a comment.

5983
04:50:07,900 --> 04:50:10,060
 about the risks associated with extending it out

5984
04:50:10,060 --> 04:50:12,040
 and not having a timeline coming back and I

5985
04:50:12,040 --> 04:50:13,710
 would wonder when it would come back. I think we

5986
04:50:13,710 --> 04:50:15,540
 should resolve this matter quickly. We have a

5987
04:50:15,540 --> 04:50:17,780
 good report back in front of us. I think option

5988
04:50:17,780 --> 04:50:20,080
 one answers all the questions and puts us in the

5989
04:50:20,080 --> 04:50:23,670
 best position for any type of exposure. So those

5990
04:50:23,670 --> 04:50:27,140
 are my comments. Look for other comments or

5991
04:50:27,140 --> 04:50:27,440
 questions.

5992
04:50:27,440 --> 04:50:33,080
 Thank you. I just wanted to address some of the

5993
04:50:33,080 --> 04:50:35,630
 questions and comments that have been

5994
04:50:36,270 --> 04:50:40,330
 discussed so far. So first, as it relates to Part

5995
04:50:40,330 --> 04:50:43,920
 C to direct to evaluate and identify the area,

5996
04:50:43,920 --> 04:50:47,010
 it was through my discussions with staff that I

5997
04:50:47,010 --> 04:50:50,860
 realized that without defining this as a park

5998
04:50:50,860 --> 04:50:53,540
 land, if we want to use it as passive recreation

5999
04:50:53,540 --> 04:50:56,450
 space, being that this is the only open space

6000
04:50:56,450 --> 04:50:59,610
 that residents in this area have without having

6001
04:50:59,610 --> 04:51:02,670
 to cross either Wonderland or Cross Fanshawe,

6002
04:51:03,810 --> 04:51:06,660
 we would have to be able to have a level of

6003
04:51:06,660 --> 04:51:07,210
 service

6004
04:51:07,210 --> 04:51:09,290
 attributed to the area.

6005
04:51:09,290 --> 04:51:13,360
 And right now, and for the last number of years,

6006
04:51:13,360 --> 04:51:17,360
 the property has been mowed almost at the same

6007
04:51:17,360 --> 04:51:17,670
 level

6008
04:51:17,670 --> 04:51:18,500
 as a park.

6009
04:51:18,500 --> 04:51:20,720
 So it hasn't been every nine weeks.

6010
04:51:20,720 --> 04:51:23,920
 It's been regularly mowed so that people can use

6011
04:51:23,920 --> 04:51:26,120
 the space like a park.

6012
04:51:26,120 --> 04:51:29,270
 And so in this case, I'm trying to find a way

6013
04:51:29,270 --> 04:51:33,450
 that we can direct what that standard of a park

6014
04:51:33,450 --> 04:51:37,240
 of maintenance related to a park would be like.

6015
04:51:37,240 --> 04:51:40,620
 And that's where I'm asking for an evaluation to

6016
04:51:40,620 --> 04:51:41,140
 come back

6017
04:51:41,140 --> 04:51:44,760
 so that we can include the appropriate use

6018
04:51:44,760 --> 04:51:47,150
 of the passive recreation space.

6019
04:51:47,150 --> 04:51:50,460
 This is space that's used by school children.

6020
04:51:50,460 --> 04:51:52,830
 It's used by the museum.

6021
04:51:52,830 --> 04:51:54,130
 I was just there today

6022
04:51:54,130 --> 04:51:56,410
 where there were two full buses of school

6023
04:51:56,410 --> 04:51:57,310
 children.

6024
04:51:57,310 --> 04:51:59,140
 There is a sign on this property

6025
04:51:59,140 --> 04:52:01,620
 that calls it at a wandering park.

6026
04:52:01,620 --> 04:52:03,040
 For that reason alone,

6027
04:52:03,040 --> 04:52:05,280
 is used as a park space because there's no

6028
04:52:05,280 --> 04:52:08,970
 differentiating factors. So what I'm asking is,

6029
04:52:08,970 --> 04:52:11,150
 if we're not planning to mow it as an open space,

6030
04:52:11,150 --> 04:52:13,090
 if we're saying we're not going to mow it for

6031
04:52:13,090 --> 04:52:15,750
 nine weeks, how is it going to be utilized as a

6032
04:52:15,750 --> 04:52:19,220
 passive recreation space? So that's why I think

6033
04:52:19,220 --> 04:52:21,420
 we need to define it as a park in order to or

6034
04:52:21,420 --> 04:52:23,890
 evaluate it from the perspective of how will we

6035
04:52:23,890 --> 04:52:26,050
 maintain it and come back with a maintenance

6036
04:52:26,050 --> 04:52:29,160
 standard that is similar to a park. And lastly

6037
04:52:29,160 --> 04:52:33,850
 with the buffering area. In the drip line that's

6038
04:52:33,850 --> 04:52:36,420
 associated with the drawing that's included in

6039
04:52:36,420 --> 04:52:39,760
 our package, it is very difficult to understand

6040
04:52:39,760 --> 04:52:43,230
 or see. So what I did was I went and I visualized

6041
04:52:43,230 --> 04:52:43,860
 it

6042
04:52:43,860 --> 04:52:46,550
 and residents provided that visualization in your

6043
04:52:46,550 --> 04:52:48,720
 package so that people can get a sense.

6044
04:52:48,720 --> 04:52:51,880
 But I do ask my colleagues, please walk it

6045
04:52:51,880 --> 04:52:54,460
 between now and counsel and see where those

6046
04:52:54,460 --> 04:52:55,090
 markers are.

6047
04:52:55,090 --> 04:52:57,360
 Our neighbors will likely welcome you there and

6048
04:52:57,360 --> 04:53:00,630
 take you for a tour and show you because

6049
04:53:00,630 --> 04:53:05,120
 this area has been naturalized and there's about

6050
04:53:05,120 --> 04:53:09,130
 50 meters, I think there's quite a distance

6051
04:53:09,130 --> 04:53:12,990
 there already between where that drip line is,

6052
04:53:12,990 --> 04:53:17,180
 where the natural, the restoration activities

6053
04:53:17,180 --> 04:53:21,130
 have taken place and the rest of the ESA.

6054
04:53:21,130 --> 04:53:24,580
 So I just wanna give people a chance to go out

6055
04:53:24,580 --> 04:53:25,330
 and see it

6056
04:53:25,330 --> 04:53:30,160
 and hear from neighbors on why that,

6057
04:53:30,160 --> 04:53:32,580
 as it's in the report summarizes,

6058
04:53:32,580 --> 04:53:35,000
 that it actually cuts into a lot of the open

6059
04:53:35,000 --> 04:53:35,370
 space

6060
04:53:35,370 --> 04:53:39,260
 that was already defined behind these houses.

6061
04:53:39,260 --> 04:53:41,690
 And so, just wanna make sure that we're all

6062
04:53:41,690 --> 04:53:42,120
 speaking

6063
04:53:42,120 --> 04:53:44,440
 of the same area when we make our decision at

6064
04:53:44,440 --> 04:53:45,870
 council.

6065
04:53:45,870 --> 04:53:47,940
 - Thank you, Councilor Toussaint.

6066
04:53:50,190 --> 04:53:53,200
 This motion does not speak to a public

6067
04:53:53,200 --> 04:53:55,070
 participation meeting,

6068
04:53:55,070 --> 04:53:56,690
 and I thought I heard the Councillors say

6069
04:53:56,690 --> 04:53:58,230
 that there would be one.

6070
04:53:58,230 --> 04:54:01,350
 I think this motion fails to speak to that.

6071
04:54:01,350 --> 04:54:02,810
 It just says you do it.

6072
04:54:02,810 --> 04:54:04,930
 Doesn't say you have a public participation

6073
04:54:04,930 --> 04:54:05,230
 meeting,

6074
04:54:05,230 --> 04:54:08,320
 which I think is another flaw in this motion,

6075
04:54:08,320 --> 04:54:10,490
 'cause I think a public participation meeting

6076
04:54:10,490 --> 04:54:13,140
 is required.

6077
04:54:13,140 --> 04:54:14,210
 The other question I have,

6078
04:54:14,210 --> 04:54:16,910
 which maybe could be answered before Council, I

6079
04:54:16,910 --> 04:54:17,660
 don't know,

6080
04:54:17,660 --> 04:54:19,800
 if we're going to start doing the kinds of

6081
04:54:19,800 --> 04:54:20,210
 maintenance

6082
04:54:20,210 --> 04:54:24,750
 we would have in a park, what's that gonna cost?

6083
04:54:24,750 --> 04:54:27,340
 And I think it's reasonable to ask

6084
04:54:27,340 --> 04:54:29,150
 if we're gonna make this change,

6085
04:54:29,150 --> 04:54:32,730
 what are the budgetary implications of that?

6086
04:54:32,730 --> 04:54:37,350
 And this doesn't address that, I think it should.

6087
04:54:37,350 --> 04:54:40,190
 And I'm not gonna try to improve this

6088
04:54:40,190 --> 04:54:43,480
 'cause I think it's wrong as it is,

6089
04:54:43,480 --> 04:54:45,930
 but I think that that's something that should be

6090
04:54:45,930 --> 04:54:46,810
 addressed

6091
04:54:46,810 --> 04:54:49,540
 as well as the public participation meeting.

6092
04:54:49,540 --> 04:54:51,440
 I'd really like to get a better idea

6093
04:54:51,440 --> 04:54:54,770
 as to when the public participation meeting will

6094
04:54:54,770 --> 04:54:55,310
 be.

6095
04:54:55,310 --> 04:54:56,730
 And I know that that would be very, very

6096
04:54:56,730 --> 04:54:57,200
 difficult

6097
04:54:57,200 --> 04:54:59,460
 for staff to give us a date right now

6098
04:54:59,460 --> 04:55:02,740
 because they are so backed up and pressed,

6099
04:55:02,740 --> 04:55:04,350
 particularly with respect to planning

6100
04:55:04,350 --> 04:55:05,060
 applications

6101
04:55:05,060 --> 04:55:08,050
 that are under statutory deadlines.

6102
04:55:08,050 --> 04:55:09,930
 But I just think this is,

6103
04:55:09,930 --> 04:55:12,680
 there's so many holes in this.

6104
04:55:12,680 --> 04:55:14,420
 Thank you.

6105
04:55:14,420 --> 04:55:15,230
 - Thank you.

6106
04:55:15,230 --> 04:55:19,510
 I don't look for any other comments or questions.

6107
04:55:19,510 --> 04:55:20,950
 Councilor Ferri, do you need to raise your hand

6108
04:55:20,950 --> 04:55:21,230
 higher?

6109
04:55:21,230 --> 04:55:22,990
 I can't see your pen, thank you.

6110
04:55:22,990 --> 04:55:24,030
 Please go ahead.

6111
04:55:24,030 --> 04:55:25,090
 - Thank you, I just wanted to clarify.

6112
04:55:25,090 --> 04:55:28,470
 Like my immediate concerns are not only

6113
04:55:28,470 --> 04:55:29,900
 with the removal of the level three,

6114
04:55:29,900 --> 04:55:31,850
 which I know we decided on the last one

6115
04:55:31,850 --> 04:55:34,240
 and putting in or looking into level one,

6116
04:55:34,240 --> 04:55:35,400
 for the level one trail.

6117
04:55:35,400 --> 04:55:37,930
 My real concern is the fact that there are enc

6118
04:55:37,930 --> 04:55:38,620
roachments,

6119
04:55:38,620 --> 04:55:42,330
 that there are individuals who have complied,

6120
04:55:42,330 --> 04:55:45,270
 that we're encroaching, that we have cases before

6121
04:55:45,270 --> 04:55:47,090
 with other types of encroachments that have

6122
04:55:47,090 --> 04:55:47,590
 complied.

6123
04:55:47,590 --> 04:55:51,450
 And my real concern is kind of what this

6124
04:55:51,450 --> 04:55:52,040
 direction

6125
04:55:52,040 --> 04:55:54,580
 is subtly implying to the rest of the city.

6126
04:55:54,580 --> 04:55:56,790
 Our city lands, our public lands,

6127
04:55:56,790 --> 04:56:01,280
 able to be encroached and then potentially taken

6128
04:56:01,280 --> 04:56:02,700
 by adjacent property owners.

6129
04:56:02,700 --> 04:56:04,720
 And I feel like that is the real risk that we're

6130
04:56:04,720 --> 04:56:05,460
 running into.

6131
04:56:05,460 --> 04:56:07,910
 So I just wanted to clarify that.

6132
04:56:07,910 --> 04:56:08,990
 >> Thank you.

6133
04:56:08,990 --> 04:56:12,120
 Look for other comments.

6134
04:56:12,120 --> 04:56:14,070
 Councilor Pribble.

6135
04:56:14,070 --> 04:56:15,830
 >> Thank you, Mr. Chair, to the staff.

6136
04:56:15,830 --> 04:56:18,950
 I know I heard word precedents and please remind

6137
04:56:18,950 --> 04:56:20,750
 me, I believe that within last

6138
04:56:20,750 --> 04:56:24,760
 one, two years, we had a situation with one

6139
04:56:24,760 --> 04:56:27,000
 property in Old South.

6140
04:56:27,000 --> 04:56:31,540
 to do and backyard to the parkland and I believe

6141
04:56:31,540 --> 04:56:35,740
 we have approved it and we did allow encroachment

6142
04:56:35,740 --> 04:56:35,840
.

6143
04:56:35,750 --> 04:56:41,430
 Please remind me if I'm correct. Go staff.

6144
04:56:41,430 --> 04:56:43,740
 Through the chair there is one instance at which

6145
04:56:43,740 --> 04:56:44,530
 time we

6146
04:56:44,530 --> 04:56:47,240
 did sell parkland. I believe that Realty can

6147
04:56:47,240 --> 04:56:49,770
 speak to this further but I believe that the

6148
04:56:49,770 --> 04:56:51,440
 instance for that one was with respect to land

6149
04:56:51,440 --> 04:56:53,020
lock and that there was no municipal need

6150
04:56:53,020 --> 04:56:54,020
 identified.

6151
04:56:54,020 --> 04:56:58,480
 I'm sorry, or would you rather go to yeah, thank

6152
04:56:58,480 --> 04:56:59,250
 you through the chair

6153
04:56:59,250 --> 04:57:03,340
 Yes, that that land has been declared plus with

6154
04:57:03,340 --> 04:57:06,160
 the intention of selling that particular piece of

6155
04:57:06,160 --> 04:57:06,630
 property

6156
04:57:06,630 --> 04:57:09,110
 Unfortunately, we haven't come to resolution this

6157
04:57:09,110 --> 04:57:11,220
 time and it will be subject to a future report

6158
04:57:11,220 --> 04:57:13,060
 committee council council

6159
04:57:13,060 --> 04:57:16,650
 Okay, thank you for that and one of the council's

6160
04:57:16,650 --> 04:57:18,480
 mentioned additional costs and yes

6161
04:57:18,480 --> 04:57:20,640
 There's certainly I'm quite sure there would be

6162
04:57:20,640 --> 04:57:22,570
 certain additional costs by I think the primary

6163
04:57:22,570 --> 04:57:23,650
 as we are talking about

6164
04:57:23,650 --> 04:57:26,640
 our

6165
04:57:26,640 --> 04:57:29,150
 a recreational master plan that we discussed

6166
04:57:29,150 --> 04:57:29,670
 yesterday.

6167
04:57:29,670 --> 04:57:33,730
 We do need green space for young people as we

6168
04:57:33,730 --> 04:57:34,610
 heard.

6169
04:57:34,610 --> 04:57:36,760
 It's used by the museum, it's used by schools.

6170
04:57:36,760 --> 04:57:38,720
 There were a couple of school buses today.

6171
04:57:38,720 --> 04:57:41,940
 So I think yes, cost this certainly should be

6172
04:57:41,940 --> 04:57:42,540
 associated

6173
04:57:42,540 --> 04:57:44,810
 with it, but on the other hand, the use as well.

6174
04:57:44,810 --> 04:57:48,400
 And we all realize that we do need that.

6175
04:57:48,400 --> 04:57:50,830
 I do have actually questioned a specific one

6176
04:57:50,830 --> 04:57:54,500
 to what's in front of us, but actually feedback

6177
04:57:54,500 --> 04:57:57,620
 from the staff, what is actually in front of us.

6178
04:57:57,620 --> 04:57:59,350
 If we can receive any feedback,

6179
04:57:59,350 --> 04:58:01,440
 because I just saw it recently,

6180
04:58:01,440 --> 04:58:02,880
 what's in front of us,

6181
04:58:02,880 --> 04:58:05,350
 and I'm not sure if staff has seen it before,

6182
04:58:05,350 --> 04:58:08,670
 before if they have, if I can receive feedback,

6183
04:58:08,670 --> 04:58:10,890
 or go staff.

6184
04:58:10,890 --> 04:58:14,430
 - Through the chair, we just want to be very

6185
04:58:14,430 --> 04:58:14,700
 clear

6186
04:58:14,700 --> 04:58:17,290
 that we brought the committee report forward,

6187
04:58:17,290 --> 04:58:19,990
 and we have a recommendation associated with that

6188
04:58:19,990 --> 04:58:20,090
,

6189
04:58:19,990 --> 04:58:22,420
 so that's really what our thoughts

6190
04:58:22,420 --> 04:58:25,010
 and recommendations are related to.

6191
04:58:25,010 --> 04:58:27,290
 we're happy to progress and to move this forward

6192
04:58:27,290 --> 04:58:29,230
 as committee and council sees fit,

6193
04:58:29,230 --> 04:58:31,730
 but from a staffing perspective,

6194
04:58:31,730 --> 04:58:34,100
 we've laid out our position.

6195
04:58:34,100 --> 04:58:37,090
 - Councilor?

6196
04:58:37,090 --> 04:58:38,690
 - I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor, just for the chair.

6197
04:58:38,690 --> 04:58:41,070
 I've missed the last three, four of words he said

6198
04:58:41,070 --> 04:58:42,040
.

6199
04:58:42,040 --> 04:58:44,160
 - Please repeat.

6200
04:58:44,160 --> 04:58:47,300
 - Through the chair, so the committee report

6201
04:58:47,300 --> 04:58:48,600
 that we submitted in our recommendation

6202
04:58:48,600 --> 04:58:50,260
 that outlines what our recommended,

6203
04:58:50,260 --> 04:58:52,050
 what we would suggest,

6204
04:58:52,050 --> 04:58:54,440
 but we're happy to bring forward our council

6205
04:58:54,440 --> 04:58:56,450
 and committee would like us to bring forward in

6206
04:58:56,450 --> 04:58:57,580
 the future.

6207
04:58:57,580 --> 04:58:59,220
 - Councilor?

6208
04:58:59,220 --> 04:59:00,320
 - Okay, thank you for that.

6209
04:59:00,320 --> 04:59:05,140
 And I will also, I certainly wouldn't decline

6210
04:59:05,140 --> 04:59:06,470
 what's in front of us right now,

6211
04:59:06,470 --> 04:59:07,970
 but I will, before the council,

6212
04:59:07,970 --> 04:59:11,860
 I will have still communication with the council

6213
04:59:11,860 --> 04:59:14,730
 and the staff what's in front of us.

6214
04:59:14,730 --> 04:59:16,990
 Because again, I do think that when I hear

6215
04:59:16,990 --> 04:59:20,730
 that it's being used and by children,

6216
04:59:20,730 --> 04:59:23,070
 by the classes, by the school buses.

6217
04:59:23,070 --> 04:59:25,100
 And as I said yesterday, when we talk about parks

6218
04:59:25,100 --> 04:59:29,160
 and rec plan, we do need these facilities for

6219
04:59:29,160 --> 04:59:29,780
 Londoners.

6220
04:59:29,780 --> 04:59:31,290
 - Thank you.

6221
04:59:31,290 --> 04:59:33,630
 - Thank you.

6222
04:59:33,630 --> 04:59:35,050
 If the committee will permit me

6223
04:59:35,050 --> 04:59:37,060
 on just a couple of comments here.

6224
04:59:37,060 --> 04:59:39,160
 I want to thank Councilor Raman.

6225
04:59:39,160 --> 04:59:43,400
 Coming up with a way to get out of this,

6226
04:59:43,400 --> 04:59:45,490
 we're in a bit of a pickle here.

6227
04:59:45,490 --> 04:59:48,000
 Very complex issues, a number of issues

6228
04:59:48,000 --> 04:59:50,040
 that I've been dealt with here.

6229
04:59:50,040 --> 04:59:53,110
 Yeah, I mean, I think we had a movie in the park

6230
04:59:53,110 --> 04:59:54,100
 here a couple of years ago.

6231
04:59:54,100 --> 04:59:58,140
 So there is confusion on where this stands,

6232
04:59:58,140 --> 05:00:04,020
 especially for those people that abut this area.

6233
05:00:04,020 --> 05:00:08,250
 Pretty supportive of all the things here.

6234
05:00:08,250 --> 05:00:13,300
 It's still questioning D with encroachment issues

6235
05:00:13,300 --> 05:00:13,400
,

6236
05:00:13,310 --> 05:00:15,810
 but I'm gonna have to work through that.

6237
05:00:15,810 --> 05:00:17,160
 But for now, I'm gonna support this

6238
05:00:17,160 --> 05:00:19,310
 just so we have something to start with

6239
05:00:19,310 --> 05:00:21,890
 and between now and council,

6240
05:00:21,890 --> 05:00:24,060
 whether there's amendments and vote on things

6241
05:00:24,060 --> 05:00:25,030
 separately.

6242
05:00:25,030 --> 05:00:28,150
 We'll see, but I'm gonna support it as it stands

6243
05:00:28,150 --> 05:00:29,670
 right now.

6244
05:00:30,380 --> 05:00:34,550
 we have a motion moved and seconded, I'm gonna

6245
05:00:34,550 --> 05:00:47,130
 call the vote.

6246
05:00:47,130 --> 05:00:49,100
 - I think the vote, the motion carries three to

6247
05:00:49,100 --> 05:00:51,700
 zero.

6248
05:00:51,700 --> 05:00:53,730
 - Okay, thank you.

6249
05:00:53,730 --> 05:00:58,720
 We have a consent item that was pulled 2.3

6250
05:00:58,720 --> 05:01:01,000
 regarding the deferred loan payments,

6251
05:01:01,000 --> 05:01:02,040
 the community improvement plans,

6252
05:01:02,040 --> 05:01:05,310
 the financial incentive programs.

6253
05:01:05,310 --> 05:01:10,190
 I'm going to go to Councillor Stevenson

6254
05:01:10,190 --> 05:01:11,700
 who requested that to be pulled.

6255
05:01:11,700 --> 05:01:14,330
 So please go ahead.

6256
05:01:14,330 --> 05:01:15,620
 - Thank you, I appreciate that.

6257
05:01:15,620 --> 05:01:17,110
 I have an alternate motion.

6258
05:01:17,110 --> 05:01:18,900
 The clerk has the wording.

6259
05:01:18,900 --> 05:01:21,640
 And if I could ask for their support in reading

6260
05:01:21,640 --> 05:01:22,030
 it out,

6261
05:01:22,030 --> 05:01:23,490
 that would be appreciated.

6262
05:01:23,490 --> 05:01:25,060
 - Okay, the clerk.

6263
05:01:25,060 --> 05:01:28,010
 - It extends the deferral program to March 20th.

6264
05:01:28,010 --> 05:01:33,050
 - Right, okay, so if the clerk could post that

6265
05:01:33,050 --> 05:01:45,960
 and actually read that out, that'd be helpful.

6266
05:01:45,960 --> 05:01:47,950
 - Through the chair,

6267
05:01:47,950 --> 05:01:51,650
 Councillor Stevenson's alternative motion reads

6268
05:01:51,650 --> 05:01:54,370
 that the staff report dated April 14th,

6269
05:01:54,370 --> 05:01:58,710
 2026 related to the deferred loan payments

6270
05:01:58,710 --> 05:02:01,650
 community improvement plan and finance incentive

6271
05:02:01,650 --> 05:02:02,320
 programs

6272
05:02:02,320 --> 05:02:04,510
 be referred to a future meeting

6273
05:02:04,510 --> 05:02:06,820
 of the planning and environment committee

6274
05:02:06,820 --> 05:02:10,240
 to direct that specific administration work

6275
05:02:10,240 --> 05:02:14,420
 with the OEV and Downtown BIAs on an extension.

6276
05:02:14,420 --> 05:02:17,530
 - So it's straight interrupt.

6277
05:02:17,530 --> 05:02:20,950
 That's the wrong one.

6278
05:02:20,950 --> 05:02:25,000
 There's a motion that extends the deferral

6279
05:02:25,000 --> 05:02:25,670
 program

6280
05:02:25,670 --> 05:02:29,890
 to March, 2028, we had two motions ordered.

6281
05:02:29,890 --> 05:02:32,910
 - Did you, Councillor, did you email that to the

6282
05:02:32,910 --> 05:02:33,920
 clerk?

6283
05:02:33,920 --> 05:02:43,300
 - She did, apologies for the confusion.

6284
05:02:43,300 --> 05:02:44,970
 There were two.

6285
05:02:44,970 --> 05:02:48,460
 I'm gonna pull it up here.

6286
05:02:48,460 --> 05:02:49,720
 - That's probably it.

6287
05:02:49,720 --> 05:02:52,460
 Yeah, okay, I think we got it, Councillor.

6288
05:02:52,460 --> 05:02:53,280
 - Okay.

6289
05:02:53,280 --> 05:03:26,060
 - Let's try this one.

6290
05:03:26,060 --> 05:03:30,930
 - My apologies, okay, so the motion at hand

6291
05:03:30,930 --> 05:03:32,580
 that the following actions be taken

6292
05:03:32,580 --> 05:03:35,690
 with respect to the staff report dated April 14th

6293
05:03:35,690 --> 05:03:36,760
, 2026

6294
05:03:36,760 --> 05:03:38,780
 related to the deferred low payments,

6295
05:03:38,780 --> 05:03:41,230
 community improvement plan and financial

6296
05:03:41,230 --> 05:03:43,460
 incentive programs,

6297
05:03:43,460 --> 05:03:45,280
 A, that the report be received,

6298
05:03:45,280 --> 05:03:51,130
 and B, that the deferral of loan repayments

6299
05:03:51,130 --> 05:03:54,940
 under the facade improvements loan program

6300
05:03:54,940 --> 05:03:58,430
 and upgrade to building code loan program

6301
05:03:58,430 --> 05:04:01,010
 previously approved by municipal council

6302
05:04:01,010 --> 05:04:05,040
 in response to the economic impacts of COVID-19

6303
05:04:05,040 --> 05:04:09,310
 be extended for an additional one year period

6304
05:04:09,310 --> 05:04:13,940
 to March, 2028.

6305
05:04:13,940 --> 05:04:18,900
 - Is that for you intended, Councilor?

6306
05:04:18,900 --> 05:04:26,020
 - And honestly, it is, and it is,

6307
05:04:26,020 --> 05:04:29,530
 and it was, and I apologize, let me just pull it

6308
05:04:29,530 --> 05:04:29,870
 up.

6309
05:04:29,870 --> 05:04:32,130
 I did approve this wording,

6310
05:04:32,130 --> 05:04:34,250
 but it's just instead of in response to the

6311
05:04:34,250 --> 05:04:34,630
 impacts

6312
05:04:34,630 --> 05:04:39,050
 of COVID-19, we had a wording that said,

6313
05:04:39,050 --> 05:04:58,610
 so if we could just change the,

6314
05:04:58,610 --> 05:05:10,910
 in response to the economic impact currently

6315
05:05:10,910 --> 05:05:11,100
 being felt

6316
05:05:11,560 --> 05:05:15,030
 in this area or what it was supposed to say

6317
05:05:15,030 --> 05:05:20,460
 was in response to our current strategic goals

6318
05:05:20,460 --> 05:05:28,230
 and the crisis that we just declared

6319
05:05:28,230 --> 05:05:34,400
 or we asked the province to declare.

6320
05:05:34,400 --> 05:05:39,950
 So if we could change in response to the,

6321
05:05:39,950 --> 05:05:43,790
 if we could change economic impacts of COVID-19

6322
05:05:43,790 --> 05:05:46,730
 to in response to the current conditions

6323
05:05:46,730 --> 05:05:52,720
 our strategic goals and the crisis.

6324
05:06:10,020 --> 05:06:11,960
 - I'm not sure if you cut off, but you said and

6325
05:06:11,960 --> 05:06:12,980
 the crisis.

6326
05:06:12,980 --> 05:06:42,780
 I'm not sure if there's anything further to that.

6327
05:06:42,780 --> 05:07:06,660
 - So you might be frozen, sir.

6328
05:07:06,660 --> 05:07:07,980
 - You permit me?

6329
05:07:07,980 --> 05:07:08,800
 - Yeah.

6330
05:07:08,800 --> 05:07:09,810
 - What Councillor Stevenson was saying

6331
05:07:09,810 --> 05:07:12,350
 what I heard before she cut out there was she was

6332
05:07:12,350 --> 05:07:12,620
 looking

6333
05:07:12,620 --> 05:07:16,740
 to change the part where it said COVID-19

6334
05:07:16,740 --> 05:07:19,810
 and she was saying in response to the economic

6335
05:07:19,810 --> 05:07:20,530
 impacts

6336
05:07:20,530 --> 05:07:23,490
 currently being felt.

6337
05:07:23,490 --> 05:07:25,750
 I don't wanna be speaking for her,

6338
05:07:25,750 --> 05:07:28,160
 but that's what I heard her say, I believe,

6339
05:07:28,160 --> 05:07:29,750
 before she cut out.

6340
05:07:29,750 --> 05:07:31,580
 - She's, yeah, I think you're right.

6341
05:07:31,580 --> 05:07:33,040
 I think she's logging in again.

6342
05:07:33,040 --> 05:07:56,190
 I'm going to find out from her directly.

6343
05:07:56,190 --> 05:07:57,500
 Okay, we got you.

6344
05:07:57,500 --> 05:07:58,360
 - Okay, apologies.

6345
05:07:58,360 --> 05:08:02,510
 I'm back and--

6346
05:08:02,510 --> 05:08:03,700
 - All right, so can you,

6347
05:08:03,700 --> 05:08:08,200
 Councilor, can you read out after in response

6348
05:08:08,200 --> 05:08:24,400
 to what you'd like to see?

6349
05:08:24,400 --> 05:08:29,980
 - Yes, just give me the one second.

6350
05:08:29,980 --> 05:08:32,800
 - Yeah, I've experienced the glorious V01

6351
05:08:32,800 --> 05:08:33,890
 internet.

6352
05:08:33,890 --> 05:08:40,940
 I know what you're going through.

6353
05:08:40,940 --> 05:08:42,200
 We might have found your version,

6354
05:08:42,200 --> 05:08:53,620
 so we might have just one second.

6355
05:08:53,620 --> 05:09:07,370
 She's getting her earphones in.

6356
05:09:07,370 --> 05:09:10,920
 Councilor, can you hear me?

6357
05:09:10,920 --> 05:09:11,820
 - I can now.

6358
05:09:11,820 --> 05:09:13,200
 - Okay.

6359
05:09:13,200 --> 05:09:14,130
 - The clerk read it out.

6360
05:09:14,130 --> 05:09:17,970
 I think we found the wording you intended.

6361
05:09:17,970 --> 05:09:19,990
 So I'm gonna have the clerk just read out that

6362
05:09:19,990 --> 05:09:23,830
 after a response.

6363
05:09:23,830 --> 05:09:26,880
 - Response to the current conditions, the crisis,

6364
05:09:26,880 --> 05:09:30,570
 and the city's strategic goals be extended

6365
05:09:30,570 --> 05:09:35,260
 for an additional one year period to March, 2028.

6366
05:09:35,260 --> 05:09:36,330
 - Sounds great.

6367
05:09:36,330 --> 05:09:41,410
 - Okay, you read the rest of it.

6368
05:09:41,410 --> 05:09:44,020
 - It's just the communication.

6369
05:09:44,020 --> 05:09:45,740
 - Okay, all right.

6370
05:09:45,740 --> 05:09:47,900
 So you're putting, you're moving that, right,

6371
05:09:47,900 --> 05:09:48,710
 Councillor?

6372
05:09:48,710 --> 05:09:49,570
 - I am.

6373
05:09:49,570 --> 05:09:50,930
 - And I'll second that.

6374
05:09:50,930 --> 05:09:56,420
 So that's on the floor, go ahead and speak to it.

6375
05:09:56,420 --> 05:09:57,240
 - Yes, thank you.

6376
05:09:57,240 --> 05:10:01,610
 I appreciate this, you know, as we know we had,

6377
05:10:01,610 --> 05:10:03,830
 we had hoped that this was a temporary measure

6378
05:10:03,830 --> 05:10:06,640
 and that we would have, you know, a different

6379
05:10:06,640 --> 05:10:07,050
 situation

6380
05:10:07,050 --> 05:10:08,530
 than we're currently facing.

6381
05:10:08,530 --> 05:10:12,430
 We just, I saw a six to zero vote supporting the

6382
05:10:12,430 --> 05:10:13,470
 agencies

6383
05:10:13,470 --> 05:10:16,190
 yesterday and given the crisis that we have,

6384
05:10:16,190 --> 05:10:19,220
 we've asked the province to declare a state of

6385
05:10:19,220 --> 05:10:20,130
 emergency

6386
05:10:20,130 --> 05:10:24,650
 and our businesses in this area need the extra

6387
05:10:24,650 --> 05:10:25,120
 support.

6388
05:10:25,120 --> 05:10:28,630
 So this is a request to extend it to March 2028,

6389
05:10:28,630 --> 05:10:30,900
 which takes us to the next multi-year budget,

6390
05:10:30,900 --> 05:10:33,190
 and hopefully will be in a different situation at

6391
05:10:33,190 --> 05:10:33,980
 that point.

6392
05:10:33,980 --> 05:10:36,150
 And if not, we'll need to find a source of

6393
05:10:36,150 --> 05:10:36,450
 funding

6394
05:10:36,450 --> 05:10:38,080
 or make a decision.

6395
05:10:38,080 --> 05:10:41,830
 The next council is gonna have that task.

6396
05:10:41,830 --> 05:10:44,280
 So I'm looking for committee support and council

6397
05:10:44,280 --> 05:10:44,890
 support

6398
05:10:44,890 --> 05:10:48,230
 around supporting our businesses through this

6399
05:10:48,230 --> 05:10:49,460
 crisis.

6400
05:10:49,460 --> 05:10:52,930
 - Okay, I'll look for other comments or questions

6401
05:10:52,930 --> 05:10:55,720
 from the Zing Councilors or Committee Member,

6402
05:10:55,720 --> 05:10:57,060
 Member.

6403
05:10:57,060 --> 05:11:00,790
 Council Member.

6404
05:11:00,790 --> 05:11:01,860
 - Thanks, Chair.

6405
05:11:01,860 --> 05:11:04,370
 So this is something that I was seeking.

6406
05:11:04,370 --> 05:11:08,160
 I wasn't seeking, I guess, a full blanket, I

6407
05:11:08,160 --> 05:11:08,510
 guess,

6408
05:11:08,510 --> 05:11:11,660
 deferral for everything, which is how I read this

6409
05:11:11,660 --> 05:11:12,010
.

6410
05:11:12,010 --> 05:11:14,350
 I just wanted to know, 'cause I did read in the

6411
05:11:14,350 --> 05:11:14,740
 report

6412
05:11:14,740 --> 05:11:18,540
 that some of the deferring, the deferrals

6413
05:11:18,540 --> 05:11:20,480
 for the loan repayments required, I think,

6414
05:11:20,480 --> 05:11:23,170
 contribution from the community improvement

6415
05:11:23,170 --> 05:11:25,650
 program reserve fund I believe

6416
05:11:25,650 --> 05:11:28,590
 in the past. Can staff just confirm that and can

6417
05:11:28,590 --> 05:11:30,980
 staff if you can let me know on

6418
05:11:30,980 --> 05:11:33,630
 the likeliness of having to have a contribution

6419
05:11:33,630 --> 05:11:34,930
 from that reserve fund or

6420
05:11:34,930 --> 05:11:39,680
 any reserve fund to for this deferral? I'll go to

6421
05:11:39,680 --> 05:11:42,520
 staff. Thank you and

6422
05:11:42,520 --> 05:11:46,350
 through you Mr. Chair so yes the these programs

6423
05:11:46,350 --> 05:11:48,880
 the particular loan programs

6424
05:11:48,880 --> 05:11:51,580
 in question here they do flow through our

6425
05:11:51,580 --> 05:11:53,100
 community improvement program

6426
05:11:53,100 --> 05:11:56,060
 reserve fund. So what that means is that the

6427
05:11:56,060 --> 05:11:57,980
 funding to fund the loans themselves

6428
05:11:57,980 --> 05:12:01,260
 upfront comes from this reserve fund and then the

6429
05:12:01,260 --> 05:12:03,280
 ultimate repayments of these

6430
05:12:03,280 --> 05:12:08,040
 loans then replenish the reserve fund in order to

6431
05:12:08,040 --> 05:12:10,510
 then fund other financial

6432
05:12:10,510 --> 05:12:12,920
 incentives under the various community

6433
05:12:12,920 --> 05:12:15,230
 improvement plan programs that the city

6434
05:12:15,230 --> 05:12:20,730
 offers. So as it currently stands we would have

6435
05:12:20,730 --> 05:12:22,600
 some concern with this

6436
05:12:22,600 --> 05:12:28,200
 this motion as currently on the floor.

6437
05:12:28,200 --> 05:12:33,480
 If the repayments that are currently anticipated

6438
05:12:33,480 --> 05:12:38,560
 to resume this September, if they do not resume

6439
05:12:38,560 --> 05:12:38,940
 now

6440
05:12:38,940 --> 05:12:43,930
 until March, 2028, that would put the CIP reserve

6441
05:12:43,930 --> 05:12:48,310
 fund in a very precarious spot, I would suggest.

6442
05:12:48,310 --> 05:12:52,220
 And so we would have some concern about that

6443
05:12:52,220 --> 05:12:56,340
 our ability to fund that. So I think our

6444
05:12:56,340 --> 05:12:58,420
 preference or perhaps suggestion if there is

6445
05:12:58,420 --> 05:13:02,680
 a desire to head in this direction of providing a

6446
05:13:02,680 --> 05:13:06,460
 further deferral is to have staff report

6447
05:13:06,460 --> 05:13:09,880
 back on what that might look like, what the

6448
05:13:09,880 --> 05:13:13,430
 financial impacts of doing that are, and if

6449
05:13:13,430 --> 05:13:16,450
 there is a need for a source of financing to

6450
05:13:16,450 --> 05:13:19,880
 address that, that would be the opportunity

6451
05:13:19,880 --> 05:13:24,440
 identified as part of a report back. There could

6452
05:13:24,440 --> 05:13:28,070
 be multiple options or ways of going about

6453
05:13:28,070 --> 05:13:32,860
 addressing the financial impacts of what is

6454
05:13:32,860 --> 05:13:36,230
 proposed here, but I think it's probably best

6455
05:13:36,230 --> 05:13:40,100
 articulated in our report back. Councillor. Okay,

6456
05:13:40,100 --> 05:13:41,600
 thank you for that. Like the Councillor's

6457
05:13:41,600 --> 05:13:44,830
 right, so a lot of these properties are dealing

6458
05:13:44,830 --> 05:13:47,870
 with economic conditions that are not necessarily

6459
05:13:47,870 --> 05:13:49,780
 conducive to being able to pay it back right now.

6460
05:13:49,780 --> 05:13:51,840
 So I am with her on that. I just maybe on

6461
05:13:51,840 --> 05:13:55,320
 more of like a blanket kind of deferral for the

6462
05:13:55,320 --> 05:13:58,100
 entire program may there might be a better way

6463
05:13:58,100 --> 05:14:03,530
 forward. Like I do see that these repayments are

6464
05:14:03,530 --> 05:14:06,530
 supposed to go as supposed to begin again

6465
05:14:06,530 --> 05:14:12,440
 August 2026. Sorry, September 2026. Okay, so we

6466
05:14:12,440 --> 05:14:13,960
 do have a little bit of leeway here.

6467
05:14:13,960 --> 05:14:18,140
 And I do like my concerns are I guess business or

6468
05:14:18,140 --> 05:14:21,990
 properties that are the most impacted and

6469
05:14:21,990 --> 05:14:24,130
 and whether, and I did have some properties

6470
05:14:24,130 --> 05:14:25,480
 that I've been discussing with that have been

6471
05:14:25,480 --> 05:14:25,870
 recently

6472
05:14:25,870 --> 05:14:28,070
 impacted by the N-Wave Steam D commissioning as

6473
05:14:28,070 --> 05:14:28,250
 well,

6474
05:14:28,250 --> 05:14:29,480
 so they have these extra challenges

6475
05:14:29,480 --> 05:14:31,980
 that are coming up as well.

6476
05:14:31,980 --> 05:14:33,990
 But at the same time, I do see

6477
05:14:33,990 --> 05:14:38,520
 with the community investment reserve fund

6478
05:14:38,520 --> 05:14:40,630
 being, I guess, at a critical balance.

6479
05:14:40,630 --> 05:14:43,960
 What would be the balance after,

6480
05:14:43,960 --> 05:14:46,120
 I guess, would you even know how much we would

6481
05:14:46,120 --> 05:14:46,320
 have

6482
05:14:46,320 --> 05:14:49,220
 to contribute from that reserve fund?

6483
05:14:49,220 --> 05:14:54,330
 - Oh, good stuff.

6484
05:14:54,330 --> 05:14:55,160
 - Thank you, Mr. Chair.

6485
05:14:55,160 --> 05:14:58,960
 I don't have that exact amount here today.

6486
05:14:58,960 --> 05:15:04,480
 I do know that in terms of the monthly repayments

6487
05:15:04,480 --> 05:15:05,660
 that are in question here,

6488
05:15:05,660 --> 05:15:08,450
 we're talking probably in the neighborhood,

6489
05:15:08,450 --> 05:15:11,950
 and Mr. McCauley can confirm this as well,

6490
05:15:11,950 --> 05:15:14,390
 but probably in the neighborhood of around $60,

6491
05:15:14,390 --> 05:15:15,890
000 a month.

6492
05:15:15,890 --> 05:15:19,610
 So it adds up over the course of what's proposed

6493
05:15:19,610 --> 05:15:19,780
 here

6494
05:15:19,780 --> 05:15:23,640
 is 18 months of further deferral from September

6495
05:15:23,640 --> 05:15:24,120
 of this year

6496
05:15:24,120 --> 05:15:27,480
 to March of 2028.

6497
05:15:27,480 --> 05:15:33,380
 So you are looking at probably north of a million

6498
05:15:33,380 --> 05:15:33,600
 dollars,

6499
05:15:33,600 --> 05:15:37,980
 but we'd have to do some work to kind of refine

6500
05:15:37,980 --> 05:15:38,530
 that

6501
05:15:38,530 --> 05:15:42,860
 a little further, Councillor.

6502
05:15:42,860 --> 05:15:44,520
 - Okay, thank you for that.

6503
05:15:44,520 --> 05:15:46,200
 I think I said the community investment reserve

6504
05:15:46,200 --> 05:15:46,410
 fund.

6505
05:15:46,410 --> 05:15:50,160
 I meant the community improvement program reserve

6506
05:15:50,160 --> 05:15:50,950
 fund.

6507
05:15:50,950 --> 05:15:52,370
 All right, something has to be done.

6508
05:15:52,370 --> 05:15:54,070
 Like a deferral needs to be made,

6509
05:15:54,070 --> 05:15:55,760
 but maybe there's a better way forward.

6510
05:15:55,760 --> 05:16:01,340
 that would be less impactful on our budgets.

6511
05:16:01,340 --> 05:16:04,940
 But I do support where the council is going with

6512
05:16:04,940 --> 05:16:05,070
 this

6513
05:16:05,070 --> 05:16:06,530
 because I know that we need this as well

6514
05:16:06,530 --> 05:16:08,750
 on my side of Adelaide.

6515
05:16:08,750 --> 05:16:13,040
 So I guess without further information,

6516
05:16:13,040 --> 05:16:14,430
 I'm gonna reach out to the councilor

6517
05:16:14,430 --> 05:16:16,250
 and see if we can find something

6518
05:16:16,250 --> 05:16:17,320
 that might work a little bit better,

6519
05:16:17,320 --> 05:16:19,450
 but a deferral needs to be had.

6520
05:16:19,450 --> 05:16:22,470
 And if we can be a little more maybe surgical

6521
05:16:22,470 --> 05:16:26,620
 and kind of identify properties that may need it

6522
05:16:26,620 --> 05:16:26,990
 more,

6523
05:16:26,990 --> 05:16:29,490
 I know that the BIA from downtown

6524
05:16:29,490 --> 05:16:31,420
 was speaking about a 12 month.

6525
05:16:31,420 --> 05:16:34,530
 The last 12 months of the program being used

6526
05:16:34,530 --> 05:16:36,950
 and then looking into having repayments

6527
05:16:36,950 --> 05:16:38,330
 for everything beyond that.

6528
05:16:38,330 --> 05:16:39,830
 I know I was speaking about the N-Wave D

6529
05:16:39,830 --> 05:16:40,300
 commissioning

6530
05:16:40,300 --> 05:16:44,190
 and kind of identifying those properties.

6531
05:16:44,190 --> 05:16:47,780
 I'm sure a council of Stevenson has other needs

6532
05:16:47,780 --> 05:16:50,180
 from properties in her ward on her side

6533
05:16:50,180 --> 05:16:53,400
 and the BIA would be able to speak to that too.

6534
05:16:53,400 --> 05:16:55,110
 But I guess I will be reaching out

6535
05:16:55,110 --> 05:16:56,210
 if the council is okay with that

6536
05:16:56,210 --> 05:16:58,190
 if we can find something better.

6537
05:16:58,190 --> 05:17:00,500
 But if we can't, then I would be supporting this

6538
05:17:00,500 --> 05:17:00,960
 as it is

6539
05:17:00,960 --> 05:17:03,490
 'cause it is needed.

6540
05:17:03,490 --> 05:17:05,830
 - Councilor Stevenson.

6541
05:17:05,830 --> 05:17:06,650
 - Yes, thank you.

6542
05:17:06,650 --> 05:17:08,330
 And I appreciate the questions.

6543
05:17:08,330 --> 05:17:11,110
 And what I would like to say is maybe an

6544
05:17:11,110 --> 05:17:11,690
 amendment

6545
05:17:11,690 --> 05:17:14,990
 to this motion where we ask staff to come back

6546
05:17:14,990 --> 05:17:18,280
 with the details on how much might be needed

6547
05:17:18,280 --> 05:17:20,790
 and the options for where we can find the money,

6548
05:17:20,790 --> 05:17:23,840
 but that we agree to go ahead and do the deferral

6549
05:17:23,840 --> 05:17:26,870
 given the circumstances that these businesses are

6550
05:17:26,870 --> 05:17:27,470
 facing.

6551
05:17:27,470 --> 05:17:30,350
 We also just reported the highest unemployment

6552
05:17:30,350 --> 05:17:30,610
 rate

6553
05:17:30,610 --> 05:17:33,440
 in the country, and so we need to support these

6554
05:17:33,440 --> 05:17:34,080
 businesses

6555
05:17:34,080 --> 05:17:35,030
 and the jobs.

6556
05:17:35,030 --> 05:17:37,750
 And so whether it comes from the Economic Reserve

6557
05:17:37,750 --> 05:17:38,060
 Fund

6558
05:17:38,060 --> 05:17:41,590
 or what our options are, if we can maybe make an

6559
05:17:41,590 --> 05:17:42,160
 amendment

6560
05:17:42,160 --> 05:17:45,740
 to ask staff to come back with a report on the

6561
05:17:45,740 --> 05:17:46,950
 details

6562
05:17:46,950 --> 05:17:50,050
 and our options for funding.

6563
05:17:50,050 --> 05:17:52,450
 - Okay, yeah, I see where you're going.

6564
05:17:52,450 --> 05:17:57,050
 I'm just gonna go to staff to see if an amendment

6565
05:17:57,050 --> 05:17:57,460
 would work

6566
05:17:58,330 --> 05:18:02,870
 If we pass this, but also like a B would be to

6567
05:18:02,870 --> 05:18:03,340
 report back

6568
05:18:03,340 --> 05:18:06,960
 with potential funding other than the current

6569
05:18:06,960 --> 05:18:07,740
 funding sources.

6570
05:18:07,740 --> 05:18:10,220
 As you mentioned, you spoke to the Reserve Fund

6571
05:18:10,220 --> 05:18:10,620
 hit

6572
05:18:10,620 --> 05:18:15,920
 at this would take.

6573
05:18:15,920 --> 05:18:18,030
 - Thank you, Mr. Chair, I'll start.

6574
05:18:18,030 --> 05:18:21,760
 And certainly, I think we would be more open to

6575
05:18:21,760 --> 05:18:22,450
 an amendment.

6576
05:18:22,450 --> 05:18:24,360
 I think maybe the concern we would still have

6577
05:18:24,360 --> 05:18:24,560
 though

6578
05:18:24,560 --> 05:18:27,900
 is committing to a further deferral

6579
05:18:27,900 --> 05:18:31,370
 without Committee and Council fully understanding

6580
05:18:31,370 --> 05:18:32,760
 what the implications of that are,

6581
05:18:32,760 --> 05:18:34,650
 and how we're gonna go about addressing it.

6582
05:18:34,650 --> 05:18:38,490
 So, you know, just in terms of a potential

6583
05:18:38,490 --> 05:18:39,210
 suggestion,

6584
05:18:39,210 --> 05:18:44,170
 maybe Part B is amended to have staff report back

6585
05:18:44,170 --> 05:18:49,020
 in prior to September of this year

6586
05:18:49,020 --> 05:18:52,480
 on options, financial impacts,

6587
05:18:52,480 --> 05:18:56,890
 and if required, potential funding sources

6588
05:18:56,890 --> 05:19:01,860
 to facilitate an extension of the deferral period

6589
05:19:01,860 --> 05:19:05,390
 to March, 2028, something to that effect.

6590
05:19:05,390 --> 05:19:11,750
 - Counselor, did you hear that?

6591
05:19:11,750 --> 05:19:25,540
 Counselor's frozen.

6592
05:19:25,540 --> 05:19:28,790
 - Through the chair, just to let you know,

6593
05:19:28,790 --> 05:19:31,110
 if that was the case, Mr. Murray,

6594
05:19:31,110 --> 05:19:34,410
 it would be contrary to what B already says.

6595
05:19:34,410 --> 05:19:37,800
 So when either a new part would need to be made

6596
05:19:37,800 --> 05:19:41,400
 or the B would need to fail.

6597
05:19:41,400 --> 05:19:47,380
 - Yeah, I was wondering what that, okay.

6598
05:19:47,380 --> 05:19:48,810
 We're just waiting, the Councillors lost

6599
05:19:48,810 --> 05:19:49,480
 connection again.

6600
05:19:49,480 --> 05:20:05,080
 So we're just waiting for her to reconnect.

6601
05:20:05,080 --> 05:20:08,060
 While we're waiting, just a question to staff,

6602
05:20:08,060 --> 05:20:13,280
 would it be possible to have that kind of...

6603
05:20:13,280 --> 05:20:14,250
 Oh yeah, we're not quorum.

6604
05:20:14,250 --> 05:20:15,070
 Sorry, sorry.

6605
05:20:15,070 --> 05:20:16,350
 We're not quorum of the minor.

6606
05:20:16,350 --> 05:20:25,270
 Yeah.

6607
05:20:25,270 --> 05:20:27,360
 While the Councillor is disconnected, we don't

6608
05:20:27,360 --> 05:20:27,980
 have quorum.

6609
05:20:27,980 --> 05:20:45,820
 So we cannot continue the business of the Coun

6610
05:20:45,820 --> 05:23:03,480
cillor.

6611
05:23:03,480 --> 05:23:06,040
 Welcome back.

6612
05:23:06,040 --> 05:23:08,220
 I'm not too sure where we were at.

6613
05:23:09,900 --> 05:23:17,710
 the idea of having amendment to have a report

6614
05:23:17,710 --> 05:23:17,810
 back,

6615
05:23:17,710 --> 05:23:21,080
 but still go ahead.

6616
05:23:21,080 --> 05:23:24,110
 The clerk has ruled that, that would be contrary.

6617
05:23:24,110 --> 05:23:27,560
 So I'm just gonna ask a question from the chair

6618
05:23:27,560 --> 05:23:33,070
 to our finance guru.

6619
05:23:33,070 --> 05:23:37,500
 Would it be possible between now and council

6620
05:23:37,500 --> 05:23:41,760
 to have that kind of information available for

6621
05:23:41,760 --> 05:23:42,180
 council?

6622
05:23:42,180 --> 05:23:45,610
 Let's say we pass this motion,

6623
05:23:45,610 --> 05:23:48,680
 but then when we go to council,

6624
05:23:48,680 --> 05:23:52,380
 it can be asked of view these questions regarding

6625
05:23:52,380 --> 05:23:58,740
 the reserve fund and concerns you have there.

6626
05:23:58,740 --> 05:23:59,490
 - Through you, Mr. Chair.

6627
05:23:59,490 --> 05:24:03,050
 So we've been conferring here amongst ourselves

6628
05:24:03,050 --> 05:24:03,290
 here

6629
05:24:03,290 --> 05:24:05,740
 and staff in the last couple of minutes.

6630
05:24:05,740 --> 05:24:11,020
 And I think we are able to quantify the total

6631
05:24:11,020 --> 05:24:11,130
 amount

6632
05:24:11,130 --> 05:24:17,300
 of the monthly payments over the 18 month term

6633
05:24:17,300 --> 05:24:23,360
 to be approximately to maybe $1.2 million.

6634
05:24:25,100 --> 05:24:27,960
 So that's kind of the order of magnitude

6635
05:24:27,960 --> 05:24:33,320
 that we would be looking at as far as lost infl

6636
05:24:33,320 --> 05:24:33,650
ows,

6637
05:24:33,650 --> 05:24:39,260
 I suppose, to the CIP reserve fund.

6638
05:24:39,260 --> 05:24:43,150
 In order to offset that,

6639
05:24:43,150 --> 05:24:45,480
 maybe could consider directing staff

6640
05:24:45,480 --> 05:24:49,980
 to fund it from an alternate reserve or reserve

6641
05:24:49,980 --> 05:24:51,830
 fund.

6642
05:24:51,830 --> 05:24:53,200
 The top of my head,

6643
05:24:53,200 --> 05:24:56,830
 probably the operating budget contingency reserve

6644
05:24:56,830 --> 05:24:56,930
,

6645
05:24:56,830 --> 05:25:03,170
 would be the engine that we would go to.

6646
05:25:03,170 --> 05:25:07,740
 short notice and absent, you know, opportunity to

6647
05:25:07,740 --> 05:25:08,360
 do a full review.

6648
05:25:08,360 --> 05:25:11,690
 So approximately $1.2 million and from the

6649
05:25:11,690 --> 05:25:13,040
 operating budget contingency reserve.

6650
05:25:13,040 --> 05:25:18,020
 Okay, Councilor, did you, did you hear that, um,

6651
05:25:18,020 --> 05:25:19,900
 uh, report from finance?

6652
05:25:19,900 --> 05:25:28,350
 I did hear that, um, recognizing well, though,

6653
05:25:28,350 --> 05:25:31,940
 this is a deferral, the payments will come in, uh

6654
05:25:31,940 --> 05:25:33,560
, we're just giving people time.

6655
05:25:33,560 --> 05:25:35,710
 I understand the money still needs to come from

6656
05:25:35,710 --> 05:25:37,500
 somewhere, but this is a temporary draw.

6657
05:25:37,810 --> 05:25:40,790
 So, wherever finance feels, yeah, is the

6658
05:25:40,790 --> 05:25:46,070
 appropriate place and the work in details,

6659
05:25:46,070 --> 05:25:49,890
 so I just approved the emotion as currently that

6660
05:25:49,890 --> 05:25:51,660
 works for me.

6661
05:25:51,660 --> 05:25:58,370
 Okay. So, I understand where the counselor is

6662
05:25:58,370 --> 05:26:01,060
 coming from. It's not like we're forgiving.

6663
05:26:01,060 --> 05:26:03,710
 It's a, it is a deferral, but I understand also

6664
05:26:03,710 --> 05:26:06,570
 that that still has to be accounted for somewhere

6665
05:26:06,570 --> 05:26:06,670
.

6666
05:26:08,520 --> 05:26:13,020
 so I understand finance concerns so we have a

6667
05:26:13,020 --> 05:26:16,950
 motion moved and seconded this will go to council

6668
05:26:16,950 --> 05:26:20,790
 between now and then I think again I'm speaking

6669
05:26:20,790 --> 05:26:22,910
 from the chair but it's getting late and I want

6670
05:26:22,910 --> 05:26:28,110
 to get things moving here I think you know there

6671
05:26:28,110 --> 05:26:31,670
 is a feeling of you know with the you know

6672
05:26:31,670 --> 05:26:35,200
 unemployment rates so high the tariffs taking it

6673
05:26:35,200 --> 05:26:38,950
's a toll is there a way to provide some sort of

6674
05:26:38,950 --> 05:26:42,820
 deferral so the merchants that are facing this

6675
05:26:42,820 --> 05:26:47,320
 payment start in September can have some

6676
05:26:47,320 --> 05:26:50,570
 assurances because until we do something that's

6677
05:26:50,570 --> 05:26:52,590
 what they're expecting and I think there's

6678
05:26:52,590 --> 05:26:52,980
 concern

6679
05:26:52,980 --> 05:26:57,090
 there so I'm just going to put it out there this

6680
05:26:57,090 --> 05:27:01,160
 is where we're at we have a motion we have a

6681
05:27:01,160 --> 05:27:01,360
 council

6682
05:27:01,360 --> 05:27:05,610
 in a couple of weeks I'll look for any other

6683
05:27:05,610 --> 05:27:08,150
 comments or questions from

6684
05:27:08,150 --> 05:27:13,820
 Councillor Ferri or Councillor Cutty or Councill

6685
05:27:13,820 --> 05:27:14,080
or.

6686
05:27:14,080 --> 05:27:16,510
 Councillor Stevenson, please go ahead.

6687
05:27:16,510 --> 05:27:18,850
 Yeah, I'll just say quickly that I'm happy to

6688
05:27:18,850 --> 05:27:19,590
 work with staff

6689
05:27:19,590 --> 05:27:22,250
 between now and council on any amendments that

6690
05:27:22,250 --> 05:27:23,350
 are required.

6691
05:27:23,350 --> 05:27:26,350
 Okay. Okay. Councillor Ferri?

6692
05:27:26,350 --> 05:27:28,550
 Chair. Sorry, Chair.

6693
05:27:28,550 --> 05:27:29,730
 Thank you. Sorry, Councillor Cutty.

6694
05:27:29,730 --> 05:27:32,190
 Yes, thank you. I'll support this motion, but I,

6695
05:27:32,190 --> 05:27:36,830
 you know, I have heard what Mr. Murray said, and

6696
05:27:36,830 --> 05:27:37,820
 I think we,

6697
05:27:37,820 --> 05:27:41,760
 that's serious. We have to consider that because

6698
05:27:41,760 --> 05:27:42,790
 we don't need to put any

6699
05:27:42,790 --> 05:27:45,290
 pressure on our on our reserve fund. So I'll

6700
05:27:45,290 --> 05:27:47,580
 support it now, but it I'm glad

6701
05:27:47,580 --> 05:27:50,250
 that that Councillor Stevenson will meet with

6702
05:27:50,250 --> 05:27:52,280
 staff. Thank you. Yeah, okay.

6703
05:27:52,280 --> 05:27:55,960
 Councillor Farr. It sounds good to me. I believe

6704
05:27:55,960 --> 05:27:58,320
 we'll see I guess a little

6705
05:27:58,320 --> 05:28:00,690
 more information in direction by council, but

6706
05:28:00,690 --> 05:28:01,790
 appreciate the discussion.

6707
05:28:01,790 --> 05:28:07,620
 Okay. And then from the chair, yeah, I concur

6708
05:28:07,620 --> 05:28:09,170
 with comments that Councillor

6709
05:28:09,170 --> 05:28:12,930
 Cutty made. Money is money, but it is a deferral.

6710
05:28:12,930 --> 05:28:14,780
 So we've got to figure out a

6711
05:28:14,780 --> 05:28:17,170
 way between now and council. I'm sure I trust we

6712
05:28:17,170 --> 05:28:17,550
 can with

6713
05:28:17,550 --> 05:28:19,710
 councilor Stevenson working with the highest

6714
05:28:19,710 --> 05:28:21,480
 department. Okay,

6715
05:28:21,480 --> 05:28:23,830
 that being said, we have motion moved and second

6716
05:28:23,830 --> 05:28:24,120
ed. I'll call

6717
05:28:24,120 --> 05:28:24,480
 the vote.

6718
05:28:24,480 --> 05:28:35,100
 Think about the motion carries three to zero.

6719
05:28:35,100 --> 05:28:39,770
 That leaves. I

6720
05:28:39,770 --> 05:28:42,810
 deferred matters list. So I'll need a motion to

6721
05:28:42,810 --> 05:28:44,060
 accept that

6722
05:28:44,060 --> 05:28:48,160
 list. Councilor Cutty moves it. I'll second it.

6723
05:28:48,160 --> 05:28:49,550
 We'll call

6724
05:28:49,550 --> 05:28:49,910
 the vote.

6725
05:28:49,910 --> 05:29:03,760
 Closing the vote. The motion carries three to

6726
05:29:03,760 --> 05:29:05,480
 zero. Thank

6727
05:29:05,480 --> 05:29:09,410
 you. So I think that's just a motion to adjourn.

6728
05:29:09,410 --> 05:29:09,930
 I'll look

6729
05:29:09,930 --> 05:29:12,460
 from motion to turn, Councillor Cudi,

6730
05:29:12,460 --> 05:29:15,720
 I'll second it, hand vote.

6731
05:29:15,720 --> 05:29:18,130
 - Motion carries.

6732
05:29:18,130 --> 05:29:21,460
 - Please focus that way longer, then.

6733
05:29:21,460 --> 05:29:22,270
 - Thanks everyone.

6734
05:29:22,270 --> 05:29:25,180
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