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 - Good afternoon, everyone.

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 It's just past 1 p.m.

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 I'd like to call the seventh meeting

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 of Planning Environment Committee to order.

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 Please check the city website

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 for additional meeting detail information.

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 The city of London is situated on the traditional

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 lands

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 of Anishinaabek, Bodenotianay, Lenna Peiwok,

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 and Adewandaran.

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 We honor and respect the history, languages,

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 and culture of the diverse indigenous people

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 who call this territory home.

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 The city of London is currently home

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 to many First Nations, Métis, and Inuit today

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 as representatives of the people of London,

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 we are grateful to have the opportunity

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 to work and live in this territory.

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 And I would just like to add, on Red Dress Day,

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 we stand in remembrance and solidarity with

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 families,

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 survivors, and communities impacted

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 by the ongoing crisis of missing and murderous

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 indigenous women, girls, and two-spirit people,

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 observed annually on May 5th,

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 Red Dress Day is a national day of awareness and

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 action,

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 honoring the lives and those still missing.

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 Well, lives taken and those still missing

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 calling for justice and systemic change. The City

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 of London is committed to making every

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 effort to provide alternate formats and

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 communication supports for meetings upon request.

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 To make

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 a request specific to this meeting, please

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 contact PEC at London.ca or 516-661-89 extension

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 2425.

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 Just let folks know, Councillor Stevenson, member

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 of PEC, is zooming today. And Councillor Lewis

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 is a way might be joining us later on in the

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 At this time, I'll look for any disclosures

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 of pecuniary interest.

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 Seeing none, we'll move on to consent items.

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 We have three, I'll look to committee members.

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 Councillor Cudi, yes, Chair, I'll move that.

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 Okay, I'll look for a seconder, Councillor Hill

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 I'll look for comments or questions on those

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 Councillor Pribble.

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 - Thank you, Chair.

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 And through the Chair to our staff,

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 thank you for the Q1 report.

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 I do have a couple of questions.

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 And if you look at, again, the analysis is

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 that both the value number of permits

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 is on decline compared to last year.

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 you stated kind of somehow the outlook

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 and you also used that word stable.

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 into the outlook feedback and also the word

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 - All good stuff.

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 - And thank you through the chair.

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 In this context, Councillor, the word stable

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 is intended to reflect continued permit issuance

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 and inspection activity without further material

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 from current levels.

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 we're anticipating that development activity

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 will maintain pretty stable this year.

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 So that's what I meant by stable.

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 - Councillor.

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 and it stated 100% within the provincial

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 the information

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 about the inspections and the reinspections.

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 thank you.

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 A good staff.

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 So with the inspection numbers in previous

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 that were completed on time and the numbers

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 that were conducted versus like called in,

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 the statistics are getting pretty, you know,

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 they're not really creating a good picture

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 and they're not really telling us anything.

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 - Okay, thank you for that.

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 the commercial numbers, they were up,

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 which I hope it certainly is gonna help us

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 or hopefully in the near future.

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 But the industry is way down.

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 our price per acre was 165,000.

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 if we are still competitive.

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 - Through the chair, so we don't have the team

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 and provide response to the counselor as well.

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 to make sure that, again, the downturn is not

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 but so we are still competitive

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 at the report that was coming out.

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 that all three levels of government are doing

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 to encourage housing get built.

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 - Yeah, through the chair, just one matter

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 finish line and having that clarity for people

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 to know that if they get their permit in their

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 to ensure that we can get these permits issued

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 when you hear funding announcements made

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 but without details so then people hold on

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 Do you have any feel for when we're gonna hear

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 further details on that?

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 - Through the chair, we haven't had a specific

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 that there'll be some type of announcement.

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 in a great position to be able to issue those

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 and move forward with them.

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 But if it gets closer to that September date,

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 it's gonna be much more difficult.

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 - Thank you.

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 I know the mayor is speaking to those levels

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 of government specifically to Minister Flack,

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 which I will be following up with as well,

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 based on those comments, Mr. Mayor, thank you

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 - Councillor Cudy. - Yes.

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 - closing the vote, the motion carries five to

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 zero.

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 - Thank you, I'll just inform folks

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 that Deputy Mayor Lewis is now online.

284
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 So moving ahead to 3.1, this is regarding 2120

285
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 and 2204 here on street.

286
00:28:05,660 --> 00:28:09,900
 I'll look for a motion to open the PPM.

287
00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:12,110
 Councillor Hillier, and I'll second it,

288
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 and we'll call that vote.

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 Any votes, yes?

290
00:28:27,070 --> 00:28:29,340
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries five to

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 zero.

292
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,740
 - Thank you, so I'll look for members of the

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 public

294
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 would like to address committee on this item.

295
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,780
 - I'll ask the clerk if there's anyone online.

296
00:28:43,780 --> 00:28:45,100
 No, there's nobody online.

297
00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:47,760
 I don't see anyone going to the microphones.

298
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,020
 It's all a look for motion to close the PPM.

299
00:28:50,020 --> 00:28:51,910
 Councilor Cuddy, seconded by Councilor Hellier,

300
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 and we'll call the vote.

301
00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:07,920
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries five to

302
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 zero.

303
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 - Okay, I'll look to the committee now

304
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,700
 for looking for a motion.

305
00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:14,370
 Councilor Cuddy.

306
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 - Thank you, Chair.

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00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:17,300
 This is my word, so I'm gonna speak to it.

308
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 I appreciate staff coming forward with this

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 recommendation.

310
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:25,320
 This is a great area out there for development

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 and I'm looking forward to seeing new activity.

312
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:29,950
 It was just out the other day on Robins Hill Road

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,

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 and I look over vast fields of potential

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 development,

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00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,400
 and I think it's a great opportunity,

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 so thank you, staff.

318
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:38,820
 - Thank you.

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 - Thank you.

320
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,190
 - So are you moving that, Councillor?

321
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:42,670
 - Yes, some of that.

322
00:29:42,670 --> 00:29:43,670
 - Thank you, I'll look for a seconder.

323
00:29:43,670 --> 00:29:44,790
 Councillor Hill, your seconds.

324
00:29:44,790 --> 00:29:47,400
 I'll look for comments or questions on this

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00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,210
 motion.

326
00:29:50,210 --> 00:30:01,260
 Seeing none, we'll call the vote.

327
00:30:01,260 --> 00:30:03,500
 - Close in the vote, the motion carries five to

328
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:05,060
 zero.

329
00:30:05,060 --> 00:30:07,870
 - Thank you, moving on to 3.2.

330
00:30:07,870 --> 00:30:12,020
 This is regarding 299 to 309 spring bank drive.

331
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 I'll look for a motion to open the PPM.

332
00:30:14,460 --> 00:30:16,450
 Councillor Hilliard, seconded by Councillor Kiley

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00:30:16,450 --> 00:30:16,550
,

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 and we'll call the vote.

335
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:33,520
 - Close in the vote, the motion carries five to

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 zero.

337
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,170
 - Thank you, I'll go to the applicant.

338
00:30:36,170 --> 00:30:38,300
 The applicant would like to address the committee

339
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:38,400
.

340
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:40,130
 Please sir, give us your name, you have five

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 minutes.

342
00:30:41,670 --> 00:30:43,570
 - Through the chair, Adam Lagrue,

343
00:30:43,570 --> 00:30:46,130
 I'm here from Monteith Brown Planning Consultants

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00:30:46,130 --> 00:30:46,230
.

345
00:30:46,130 --> 00:30:48,720
 We're here on behalf of the property owner

346
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,970
 in regards to the Zoning By-law Amendment

347
00:30:50,970 --> 00:30:55,820
 before us at 299 303 and 309 Spring Bank Drive.

348
00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:58,730
 like to thank staff for their work on this file

349
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 for preparing the recommendation of approval.

350
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,800
 And we are supportive of their report and the

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 attached bylaw.

352
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:08,940
 We're available to answer any questions.

353
00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:10,730
 Public or council may have.

354
00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:11,760
 Thank you.

355
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,940
 - Thank you.

356
00:31:12,940 --> 00:31:14,830
 I'll look for members of the public

357
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 like to address the committee on this item.

358
00:31:18,830 --> 00:31:22,610
 I'll have to clerk if there's anyone online.

359
00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:24,130
 Clerk indicates there's nobody online.

360
00:31:24,130 --> 00:31:26,440
 I don't see anyone coming to the microphone.

361
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,500
 So I'll look for a motion to close the PPM.

362
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,590
 Councilor Cuddy seconded by Councilor Hillier.

363
00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:42,370
 We'll call that vote.

364
00:31:42,370 --> 00:31:46,870
 - Close in the vote, the motion carries five to

365
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:51,290
 zero.

366
00:31:51,290 --> 00:31:54,030
 - So now I'll put this on the floor for Councill

367
00:31:54,030 --> 00:31:55,030
or Cutty.

368
00:31:55,030 --> 00:31:56,760
 Here I'll move the staff recommendation.

369
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,030
 - Thank you and Councillor Hillier has seconded.

370
00:31:59,030 --> 00:32:00,810
 I'll look for comments or questions regarding

371
00:32:00,810 --> 00:32:05,270
 this item.

372
00:32:05,270 --> 00:32:20,070
 Seeing none, we'll call the vote.

373
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:22,100
 - Close in the vote, the motion carries five to

374
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:25,820
 zero.

375
00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:26,650
 - Thank you.

376
00:32:26,650 --> 00:32:30,130
 Moving on to 3.3, this is regarding 945 bluegrass

377
00:32:30,130 --> 00:32:30,600
 drive.

378
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,100
 I'll look for a motion to open the public

379
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:32,650
 participation

380
00:32:32,650 --> 00:32:33,800
 meeting.

381
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,560
 Councillor Cutty seconded by Councillor Hillier,

382
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:47,710
 and we'll call the vote.

383
00:32:47,710 --> 00:32:49,980
 closing the vote, the motion carries five to zero

384
00:32:49,980 --> 00:32:50,270
.

385
00:32:50,270 --> 00:32:51,080
 - Thank you.

386
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,410
 So we'll go to the applicant, is the applicant

387
00:32:54,410 --> 00:32:56,130
 online?

388
00:32:56,130 --> 00:32:57,180
 Oh, there she is.

389
00:32:57,180 --> 00:32:59,560
 Hi, I'm sorry, I saw a picture of you on my

390
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,070
 screen.

391
00:33:00,070 --> 00:33:01,470
 I thought you were online.

392
00:33:01,470 --> 00:33:03,700
 Please give us your name, you have five minutes.

393
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:05,040
 - Thank you, good afternoon Chair,

394
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,490
 committee members, and attendant Councillors.

395
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:09,550
 My name is Alia Richards, and I'm a planner

396
00:33:09,550 --> 00:33:11,700
 with Selenka Priammo Limited.

397
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:14,100
 I'm joined by my colleague, Matt Campbell,

398
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:15,520
 as well as Harrison Jarlette,

399
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,360
 the president of Jarlette Health Services.

400
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,830
 I'd like to extend my thanks to Melanie Vivian

401
00:33:20,830 --> 00:33:22,670
 for her work on this application.

402
00:33:22,670 --> 00:33:24,450
 We have reviewed the staff report

403
00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:26,460
 and appreciate and agree with the recommendation

404
00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:27,940
 for approval.

405
00:33:27,940 --> 00:33:29,560
 I would like to start by clarifying

406
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,190
 what this proposal is and what it is not.

407
00:33:32,190 --> 00:33:34,380
 This application is for a long-term care home

408
00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:35,930
 and an apartment building.

409
00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:38,070
 The apartment units are intended to function

410
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:40,450
 as transitional housing for individuals

411
00:33:40,450 --> 00:33:42,360
 who are not yet in need of full-time care

412
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,990
 or family members who wish to live close to loved

413
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:46,160
 ones in care.

414
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,050
 This proposal is not an emergency care

415
00:33:48,050 --> 00:33:48,840
 establishment

416
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,450
 or shelter that use remains prohibited in the

417
00:33:51,450 --> 00:33:52,860
 zoning.

418
00:33:52,860 --> 00:33:54,490
 We have also provided a letter

419
00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:57,540
 and alternative draft by-law addressing two items

420
00:33:57,540 --> 00:33:57,640
,

421
00:33:57,540 --> 00:33:59,840
 a reduction in long-term bicycle parking

422
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,380
 and the removal of a regulation specifying

423
00:34:02,380 --> 00:34:05,160
 the apartment building entrance location.

424
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,500
 Given the nature of a long-term care use,

425
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:10,870
 the required surplus of long-term bicycle parking

426
00:34:10,870 --> 00:34:13,810
 is unlikely to be used and would reduce the

427
00:34:13,810 --> 00:34:14,440
 number of beds

428
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,150
 and units the site can reasonably support.

429
00:34:17,150 --> 00:34:18,970
 With respect to the main entrance,

430
00:34:18,970 --> 00:34:20,200
 the intent has been met,

431
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,060
 but we believe that the entrance location

432
00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:24,310
 is more appropriately addressed through site plan

433
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:24,830
 approval

434
00:34:24,830 --> 00:34:26,870
 rather than zoning.

435
00:34:26,870 --> 00:34:28,760
 I would also like to acknowledge the residents

436
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,880
 of the Hyde Park community who participated

437
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,640
 in the public open house and who submitted

438
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:34,890
 written comments.

439
00:34:34,890 --> 00:34:39,360
 The level of engagement reflects a strong care

440
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,840
 from this neighborhood.

441
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,960
 Residents expressed real concerns with respect to

442
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:44,520
 traffic,

443
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,130
 storm water management, noise, privacy,

444
00:34:47,130 --> 00:34:49,700
 and the loss of familiar open space.

445
00:34:49,700 --> 00:34:51,990
 These concerns are rooted in lived experience

446
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:53,650
 and it is completely understandable

447
00:34:53,650 --> 00:34:55,270
 that people feel anxious when change

448
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:57,590
 is proposed this close to home.

449
00:34:57,590 --> 00:34:59,130
 Regarding traffic and safety,

450
00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:01,350
 particularly around school bus pickup,

451
00:35:01,350 --> 00:35:02,980
 transportation staff have reviewed

452
00:35:02,980 --> 00:35:04,770
 the transportation impact assessment

453
00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:08,030
 and did not identify any major capacity issues

454
00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:10,220
 and have provided direction on site access

455
00:35:10,220 --> 00:35:12,890
 and circulation that will continue to be refined

456
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:15,110
 through the site plan approval process.

457
00:35:15,110 --> 00:35:17,610
 Importantly, approval does not prevent city,

458
00:35:17,610 --> 00:35:20,020
 the city from pursuing broader traffic calming

459
00:35:20,020 --> 00:35:23,360
 and safety measures along Bluegrass Drive.

460
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,420
 Stormwater concerns were also raised.

461
00:35:25,420 --> 00:35:28,050
 I want to emphasize that before development can

462
00:35:28,050 --> 00:35:28,390
 proceed,

463
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:30,720
 detailed stormwater management and grading plans

464
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,470
 must be approved by city engineering.

465
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:35,520
 These plans must demonstrate that stormwater

466
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,030
 is fully contained on site

467
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:38,530
 and the post-development runoff

468
00:35:38,530 --> 00:35:41,150
 does not negatively impact neighboring properties

469
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:41,250
.

470
00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:44,010
 These are not optional measures.

471
00:35:44,010 --> 00:35:46,560
 Noise, lighting, and privacy impacts

472
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,050
 are being addressed through additional

473
00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:50,280
 staff recommended mitigation measures,

474
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,840
 significant landscaping along the

475
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,500
 perimeter of the site, and a lighting review that

476
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:55,530
 will be required at the site

477
00:35:55,530 --> 00:35:58,700
 plan stage. I also want to acknowledge concerns

478
00:35:58,700 --> 00:35:59,880
 regarding the proposed four

479
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,730
 story height. Even a one-story increase can feel

480
00:36:02,730 --> 00:36:04,300
 significant to nearby residents

481
00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:07,020
 and those concerns are understandable. From a

482
00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:08,560
 planning perspective, it is

483
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,170
 important to note that the site already permits

484
00:36:11,170 --> 00:36:12,880
 development up to three stories.

485
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,700
 Staff have concluded that this modest increase

486
00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:16,780
 can be accommodated

487
00:36:16,780 --> 00:36:19,840
 appropriately, given the site size, its location

488
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,860
 along a neighborhood connector, and the

489
00:36:21,860 --> 00:36:22,420
 separation

490
00:36:22,420 --> 00:36:24,600
 from neighboring homes with setbacks and landsc

491
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,760
aping used to manage the transition and impacts.

492
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,350
 I also want to acknowledge the perceived loss of

493
00:36:30,350 --> 00:36:32,940
 open green space. While this land has always been

494
00:36:32,940 --> 00:36:35,570
 privately owned and designated for development,

495
00:36:35,570 --> 00:36:37,850
 it has remained undeveloped for many years,

496
00:36:37,850 --> 00:36:39,730
 and residents have connected to it as a part of

497
00:36:39,730 --> 00:36:42,660
 their neighborhood. That sense of loss is valid,

498
00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:46,130
 even when development rights exist. At the same

499
00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:48,490
 time, Council has a responsibility to consider

500
00:36:48,490 --> 00:36:51,180
 the broader public interest. London is facing a

501
00:36:51,180 --> 00:36:53,800
 significant housing shortage and an increasing

502
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,430
 demand for essential long-term care facilities.

503
00:36:56,430 --> 00:36:59,410
 This proposal helps advance those city-wide needs

504
00:36:59,410 --> 00:37:01,660
 by providing both long-term care beds and

505
00:37:01,660 --> 00:37:04,080
 additional housing in a location that already

506
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,720
 is zoned for residential and care uses. In

507
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,280
 closing, approving this application means

508
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:09,840
 allowing a

509
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,100
 a much needed project to move forward

510
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:14,510
 with clear conditions, technical oversight,

511
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:16,670
 and accountability through the site plan approval

512
00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:17,730
 process.

513
00:37:17,730 --> 00:37:19,860
 Council is being asked to balance neighborhood

514
00:37:19,860 --> 00:37:20,730
 impacts

515
00:37:20,730 --> 00:37:23,390
 with citywide responsibility and to demonstrate

516
00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:23,950
 compassion

517
00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:25,850
 for not only existing residents,

518
00:37:25,850 --> 00:37:27,600
 but also for seniors and families

519
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,590
 who urgently need housing and care options.

520
00:37:30,590 --> 00:37:32,660
 The recommendation before you reflect sound

521
00:37:32,660 --> 00:37:33,020
 planning

522
00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:35,670
 judgment, alignment with provincial and municipal

523
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:36,460
 policy,

524
00:37:36,460 --> 00:37:39,590
 and a balance consideration for both neighborhood

525
00:37:39,590 --> 00:37:39,690
,

526
00:37:39,590 --> 00:37:41,920
 for both the neighborhood context and city-wide

527
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:42,490
 needs.

528
00:37:42,490 --> 00:37:44,000
 Thank you for your time and consideration

529
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,150
 and I'm available to answer any questions.

530
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:48,120
 - Thank you, Ms. Richards.

531
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,230
 There's a number of people online,

532
00:37:49,230 --> 00:37:51,440
 but I'm first gonna go to folks in the gallery

533
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,240
 that would like to speak to this issue.

534
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:55,180
 - I would like to speak to you.

535
00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:56,120
 - We'll go to you first.

536
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,830
 Please give us your name and you have five

537
00:37:57,830 --> 00:37:58,540
 minutes.

538
00:37:58,540 --> 00:38:01,040
 - Yeah, good afternoon, Mr. Chair and members

539
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:01,960
 of the committee.

540
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,620
 I've prepared remarks.

541
00:38:03,620 --> 00:38:05,700
 I would like to read into the record if that's

542
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:06,400
 all right.

543
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,150
 My name is Roshni Ram Sagar.

544
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:11,550
 I live at 1972 Cherrywood Trail.

545
00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:13,830
 The property at 945 Bluegrass Drive

546
00:38:13,830 --> 00:38:15,560
 is directly behind my home.

547
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,490
 I'm here to ask this committee to refuse this

548
00:38:18,490 --> 00:38:19,860
 application.

549
00:38:19,860 --> 00:38:21,910
 The staff report frames this proposal

550
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:24,540
 as a modest increase in height and density on

551
00:38:24,540 --> 00:38:24,920
 site

552
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,890
 where similar users were already permitted.

553
00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:30,290
 With respect, the framing is misleading.

554
00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:34,500
 In 2019, Council approved file Z9020,

555
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:37,280
 80 apartment units in two three-story buildings

556
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,140
 from Gateway Church with 55 of those units,

557
00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:44,020
 about 69% of them at affordable rate.

558
00:38:44,020 --> 00:38:45,980
 What is before you today is fundamentally

559
00:38:45,980 --> 00:38:47,350
 different.

560
00:38:47,350 --> 00:38:51,450
 This proposal is 54 apartment units plus a 224-

561
00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:51,840
bed

562
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,030
 long-term care facility under section 3.4 of

563
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:55,350
 zoning

564
00:38:55,350 --> 00:38:57,080
 by law Z1.

565
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,940
 Three long-term care beds will equal one dwelling

566
00:38:59,940 --> 00:39:00,300
 unit.

567
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:03,970
 That makes 224 beds equivalent to 75 units.

568
00:39:03,970 --> 00:39:06,500
 The total is 129 dwelling unit equivalents.

569
00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:09,420
 that is a 61% increase over what Council approved

570
00:39:09,420 --> 00:39:10,700
 in 2019.

571
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:13,220
 So it cannot be just considered as one story

572
00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:14,690
 added to a three story.

573
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:18,490
 The height increases from 13 to 14.5

574
00:39:18,490 --> 00:39:19,990
 with rooftop structures that could bring

575
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:22,160
 the total to 18 meters or above.

576
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,310
 Density increases from 46 to 65 units per actor,

577
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:29,710
 a 41% increase, and the type of use has changed

578
00:39:29,710 --> 00:39:31,040
 significantly.

579
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,300
 In 2019, Council approved an apartment building.

580
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:36,370
 Today, you're being asked to approve

581
00:39:36,370 --> 00:39:38,490
 apartment building combined with a 224 bed

582
00:39:38,490 --> 00:39:41,570
 institutional facility. The continuum of care

583
00:39:41,570 --> 00:39:44,690
 category was listed as permitted use in 2019 but

584
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:47,510
 no such facility of the scale was ever proposed,

585
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:50,640
 evaluated or approved for this site. Saying the

586
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,980
 use is permitted does not reflect the magnitude

587
00:39:52,980 --> 00:39:55,800
 of what's being now proposed. So this is the

588
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,930
 central issue. A 224 bed long-term care facility

589
00:39:58,930 --> 00:39:59,330
 is not

590
00:39:59,330 --> 00:40:02,030
 residential in functional sense. It is licensed

591
00:40:02,030 --> 00:40:04,730
 institution regulated by the province under the

592
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:08,300
 the Fixing Long-Term Care Act 2021.

593
00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:11,760
 It operates 24 hours a day, 365 days a year,

594
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,590
 multiple daily staff shift changes,

595
00:40:13,590 --> 00:40:15,500
 generally concentrated traffic,

596
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:18,260
 continuous mechanical systems run around the

597
00:40:18,260 --> 00:40:18,720
 clock,

598
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,370
 HVAC commercial kitchens, industry,

599
00:40:21,370 --> 00:40:24,100
 laundry, backup generators, ambulance access at

600
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:25,180
 all hours,

601
00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:28,720
 is part of normal operations for such a facility.

602
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:33,780
 Commercial scale deliveries happen daily.

603
00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:35,610
 Placing that level of institutional activity

604
00:40:35,610 --> 00:40:37,850
 directly between the single family homes

605
00:40:37,850 --> 00:40:39,950
 on a quite residential street.

606
00:40:39,950 --> 00:40:41,480
 In a quite residential neighborhood

607
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,670
 is not appropriate land use planning.

608
00:40:44,670 --> 00:40:46,140
 The planning question before you

609
00:40:46,140 --> 00:40:49,140
 is whether the operational reality is compatible

610
00:40:49,140 --> 00:40:51,470
 with the low density homes,

611
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:53,860
 amidst which this is being evaluated.

612
00:40:53,860 --> 00:40:56,740
 By any standard land use compatibility test, it

613
00:40:56,740 --> 00:40:57,410
 is not.

614
00:40:57,410 --> 00:41:00,500
 In 2019, Council made a deliberate decision

615
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:02,680
 about what fits on this site.

616
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,270
 Special provision R8-1 tree established density

617
00:41:06,270 --> 00:41:06,620
 cap

618
00:41:06,620 --> 00:41:10,050
 of 46 units per actor, parking requirements,

619
00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:12,210
 a three-story height limit and a prohibition

620
00:41:12,210 --> 00:41:14,020
 on emergency care establishment.

621
00:41:14,020 --> 00:41:15,880
 Those were not arbitrary.

622
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,490
 They reflected council's judgment

623
00:41:17,490 --> 00:41:21,080
 about compatibility for this specific location.

624
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,390
 Six years later, nothing about the site has

625
00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:24,060
 changed.

626
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:25,640
 The neighborhood has not changed.

627
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,700
 The rail corridor has not changed.

628
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:29,800
 The surrounding homes have not changed.

629
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,570
 The only thing that has changed now is the owner.

630
00:41:32,570 --> 00:41:34,290
 There is no planning basis to remove

631
00:41:34,290 --> 00:41:37,430
 the protections council has itself put in place.

632
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:39,610
 The depth of the community response on this file

633
00:41:39,610 --> 00:41:41,550
 is also very significant.

634
00:41:41,550 --> 00:41:44,750
 The staff report confirms 46 public responses

635
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:47,120
 from different households that were received

636
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,710
 during consultation.

637
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:51,210
 More than 30 detailed written objection letters

638
00:41:51,210 --> 00:41:54,290
 are part of Appendix E, raising several

639
00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:55,680
 operational concerns.

640
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,750
 That is a significant volume for a rezoning file

641
00:41:58,750 --> 00:42:00,090
 in a single neighborhood.

642
00:42:00,090 --> 00:42:03,060
 It reflects how seriously residents have engaged

643
00:42:03,060 --> 00:42:04,630
 with what is being proposed

644
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:07,370
 and what we stand to lose if it is approved.

645
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:10,280
 Under Bill 185, residents may not have right to

646
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:10,590
 appeal

647
00:42:10,590 --> 00:42:12,960
 this decision to the Ontario Land Tribunal.

648
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,610
 The decision on May 12 would be final.

649
00:42:15,610 --> 00:42:18,190
 So the 2019 protections were based on sound

650
00:42:18,190 --> 00:42:19,340
 planning.

651
00:42:19,340 --> 00:42:21,200
 The scale and nature of what is now being

652
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:21,600
 proposed

653
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,170
 is not compatible with this residential area.

654
00:42:24,170 --> 00:42:26,780
 For these reasons, I respectfully ask you

655
00:42:26,780 --> 00:42:28,090
 to refuse the applications.

656
00:42:28,090 --> 00:42:29,240
 Thank you.

657
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:30,040
 - Thank you.

658
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,060
 I'll look for the next speaker.

659
00:42:34,060 --> 00:42:35,920
 Please ma'am, give us your name and you have five

660
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:36,490
 minutes.

661
00:42:36,490 --> 00:42:38,830
 - My name's Annamaria Velastro.

662
00:42:38,830 --> 00:42:40,850
 So a lot of us have had family members

663
00:42:40,850 --> 00:42:44,370
 and long-term care facilities,

664
00:42:44,370 --> 00:42:47,820
 and we'll know like staff,

665
00:42:47,820 --> 00:42:50,300
 they go out of their way to have programs

666
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:53,670
 for their residents, volunteer music, art

667
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:54,470
 programs.

668
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:56,780
 Sometimes they have small gardens,

669
00:42:56,780 --> 00:42:59,200
 but a large percentage of those residents

670
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,380
 can't participate in those activities,

671
00:43:01,380 --> 00:43:03,320
 either because they're too old

672
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,460
 or they have the onset of dementia,

673
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:07,920
 or they might have some other issues.

674
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,490
 And rather than stimulate those residents,

675
00:43:12,490 --> 00:43:15,150
 many of those residents are stimulated by looking

676
00:43:15,150 --> 00:43:15,330
 out

677
00:43:15,330 --> 00:43:20,140
 their windows or having a place to go outside.

678
00:43:20,140 --> 00:43:24,170
 Instead, if you've had family in these long-term

679
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:24,450
 care

680
00:43:24,450 --> 00:43:26,600
 facilities, often what happens is they

681
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,110
 park them in front of elevators so they

682
00:43:29,110 --> 00:43:32,100
 can watch people go in and out of elevators,

683
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:35,010
 or they park them in front of the TV side.

684
00:43:35,010 --> 00:43:38,720
 And this application talks about amenity space,

685
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:40,380
 but when you look at the landscape,

686
00:43:40,380 --> 00:43:41,970
 there is no amenity space.

687
00:43:41,970 --> 00:43:44,300
 There's just a giant parking lot

688
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:46,410
 in between the two buildings.

689
00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:48,900
 They're following the parking lot guidelines

690
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:50,790
 where they have these islands of green,

691
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:52,840
 which is part of the low impact development

692
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,340
 requirements.

693
00:43:54,340 --> 00:43:57,290
 But there is no place for those people

694
00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:59,770
 who can't participate in those art programs

695
00:43:59,770 --> 00:44:03,390
 to look out their window and watch the seasons

696
00:44:03,390 --> 00:44:03,900
 change.

697
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:06,520
 There's no place for them to go and sit and get

698
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:07,470
 fresh air.

699
00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:12,550
 So I just, and I don't understand why staff

700
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:17,240
 would allow the requirement of 80 meters

701
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:21,010
 of frontage lot being reduced to two meters

702
00:44:21,010 --> 00:44:25,160
 and not, or not insisting on maintaining

703
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,610
 a significant amount of green space for those

704
00:44:28,610 --> 00:44:29,790
 residents.

705
00:44:29,790 --> 00:44:31,450
 And there's no commitment.

706
00:44:31,450 --> 00:44:33,570
 I didn't hear any commitment from the applicant

707
00:44:33,570 --> 00:44:37,710
 that those residential areas would be exclusive

708
00:44:37,710 --> 00:44:40,890
 to family members.

709
00:44:40,890 --> 00:44:45,390
 And so I think that the protections

710
00:44:45,390 --> 00:44:47,330
 that are built into the London plan

711
00:44:47,330 --> 00:44:50,030
 for these sorts of developments need to be upheld

712
00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:51,100
 for those residents,

713
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:54,320
 'cause they're basically warehousing seniors

714
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,560
 until they die.

715
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,660
 That's what long-term care facilities are.

716
00:44:57,660 --> 00:44:59,280
 They're just warehouses.

717
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,470
 The food is bad.

718
00:45:00,470 --> 00:45:03,240
 There's no place for people who are elderly

719
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:06,730
 or with dementia to go to be stimulated.

720
00:45:06,730 --> 00:45:09,700
 There's no outdoor space with flowering trees or

721
00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:09,800
--

722
00:45:09,740 --> 00:45:11,840
 - Just a minute, this flash trail.

723
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,630
 - I'm sorry.

724
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:14,780
 - Chair, point of order.

725
00:45:14,780 --> 00:45:18,500
 - Chair, I think our speaker may be getting off

726
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:18,830
 topic,

727
00:45:18,830 --> 00:45:22,040
 talking about food and things like this.

728
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,530
 We're here to discuss the development

729
00:45:26,530 --> 00:45:28,900
 and the construction of a long-term facility.

730
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:32,480
 I'm not sure that food has any application here.

731
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,130
 I appreciate the fact that she talked about some

732
00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:35,290
 amenities,

733
00:45:35,290 --> 00:45:36,890
 which I'm going to address when I speak to it,

734
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:39,270
 but I think we've just gotten off topic a little

735
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:39,610
 bit.

736
00:45:39,610 --> 00:45:41,330
 - Okay, this is my personal experience.

737
00:45:41,330 --> 00:45:42,160
 - Hold on a second.

738
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,040
 Hold on a second.

739
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,880
 I got to address this point of order.

740
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,620
 I understand a bit what you're saying, Councillor

741
00:45:48,620 --> 00:45:48,960
.

742
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,540
 Ms. Velasco is speaking to, I think, general

743
00:45:51,540 --> 00:45:51,800
 amenities

744
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,580
 that were particular to this development.

745
00:45:54,580 --> 00:45:56,740
 Yeah, she was drifting a bit,

746
00:45:56,740 --> 00:45:57,970
 maybe into some other areas,

747
00:45:57,970 --> 00:46:00,830
 but that's, you know, just the generalities of

748
00:46:00,830 --> 00:46:01,320
 talking.

749
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,490
 So, just make sure you keep it to this.

750
00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:05,400
 - I will.

751
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,760
 - But please go ahead.

752
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,520
 - Thank you.

753
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,640
 And so I think that this development doesn't meet

754
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,580
 the requirements of their residents.

755
00:46:14,580 --> 00:46:18,030
 There's no commitment to family members occupying

756
00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:19,580
 those rental units.

757
00:46:19,580 --> 00:46:21,620
 And I think that the parameters that are in the

758
00:46:21,620 --> 00:46:23,620
 London Plan should be upheld here because

759
00:46:23,620 --> 00:46:25,030
 people live there.

760
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:27,890
 There needs to be outdoor space, amenity space,

761
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:30,400
 there needs to be enough amenity space that

762
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,060
 people that can't participate in those programs

763
00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:35,740
 can look out their window and watch the changing

764
00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:37,940
 of the seasons or can go on and get some fresh

765
00:46:37,940 --> 00:46:40,870
 air, that's not a parking lot.

766
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:44,110
 So I don't think that this development deserves

767
00:46:44,110 --> 00:46:45,830
 your approval.

768
00:46:45,830 --> 00:46:48,850
 And like I said, there's no commitment that the

769
00:46:48,850 --> 00:46:51,750
 residential area is -- the residents are

770
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:55,530
 going to be dedicated to family members like

771
00:46:55,530 --> 00:46:57,800
 Ronald McDonald House.

772
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,030
 Is it a Ronald McDonald House or is it open to

773
00:47:01,030 --> 00:47:01,760
 rent?

774
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,760
 You said there's a housing shortage where there

775
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,390
 actually isn't a housing shortage.

776
00:47:05,390 --> 00:47:08,830
 an affordability housing shortage and so if it's

777
00:47:08,830 --> 00:47:10,180
 a Ronald McDonald house that

778
00:47:10,180 --> 00:47:13,130
 should be part of the application otherwise it's

779
00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:15,180
 just open it's non-specific

780
00:47:15,180 --> 00:47:19,060
 and I do think the height I think the previous

781
00:47:19,060 --> 00:47:21,030
 speaker had a point that the

782
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:23,650
 height of four meters and then everything that

783
00:47:23,650 --> 00:47:25,390
 goes on top of the roof is not

784
00:47:25,390 --> 00:47:28,020
 really sorry four stories is not really four

785
00:47:28,020 --> 00:47:30,100
 stories and the last thing I want

786
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:32,730
 to say is just a personal observation is that

787
00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:34,770
 when applicants acknowledge the

788
00:47:34,770 --> 00:47:39,940
 concerns of residents like the applicant did, and

789
00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:44,010
 then go ahead and dismisses them, I personally

790
00:47:44,010 --> 00:47:47,710
 find that condescending. If residents bring up

791
00:47:47,710 --> 00:47:50,520
 legitimate concerns, that should be a trigger

792
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,490
 that you start a conversation and you make your

793
00:47:54,490 --> 00:47:57,720
 work it out. Okay, just acknowledging those

794
00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:00,950
 concerns and then you throw them out isn't good

795
00:48:00,950 --> 00:48:04,400
 enough. Thirty seconds. Thank you. Thank you. I

796
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:04,500
'll

797
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:10,020
 I'll look for the next speaker.

798
00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:11,880
 Please give us your name and you have five

799
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,140
 minutes.

800
00:48:14,140 --> 00:48:16,270
 - Hello, I'm Charles Smith.

801
00:48:16,270 --> 00:48:19,620
 I have some prepared remarks I'd like to address,

802
00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:23,010
 and this is my first time ever speaking here,

803
00:48:23,010 --> 00:48:25,800
 so I apologize if I make any mistakes.

804
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,690
 So yeah, here we go.

805
00:48:27,690 --> 00:48:29,630
 Good afternoon committee members,

806
00:48:29,630 --> 00:48:32,520
 city staff and members of the public.

807
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,090
 I'm Charles Smith.

808
00:48:34,090 --> 00:48:35,720
 I am a young lifelong resident

809
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:37,540
 of the Oak Ridge Crossings neighborhood

810
00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:39,130
 in Northwest London.

811
00:48:39,130 --> 00:48:41,360
 I'm also the founding vice chair and head of

812
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,140
 communications

813
00:48:42,140 --> 00:48:44,260
 for the Oak Ridge Crossings Neighborhood

814
00:48:44,260 --> 00:48:46,020
 Association.

815
00:48:46,020 --> 00:48:48,020
 Today, I would like to speak on the proposed

816
00:48:48,020 --> 00:48:48,550
 development

817
00:48:48,550 --> 00:48:51,850
 at 945 Bluegrass Drive, which is in the

818
00:48:51,850 --> 00:48:53,500
 neighborhood.

819
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:56,760
 In section 2.4 of the city staff's report

820
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,350
 to the planning and environment committee or the

821
00:49:00,350 --> 00:49:01,120
 PEC,

822
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,140
 it mentions that on February 20th, 2026,

823
00:49:04,140 --> 00:49:08,630
 a notice of application was sent to 126 residents

824
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:11,260
 in the area of the proposed development

825
00:49:11,260 --> 00:49:16,240
 out of those 126 people, 46 people responded,

826
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:19,580
 and I counted 43 responses were made publicly

827
00:49:19,580 --> 00:49:20,420
 available.

828
00:49:20,420 --> 00:49:24,360
 And approximately 84% of respondents have stated

829
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,190
 in writing their strong objections to this

830
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:28,230
 development

831
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:29,860
 while the rest are not fully committed

832
00:49:29,860 --> 00:49:32,450
 to supporting the development either.

833
00:49:32,450 --> 00:49:36,300
 Overall, all of the respondents have and share

834
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:38,930
 important and valid concerns over this proposed

835
00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:40,400
 development.

836
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,540
 These concerns that the residents have

837
00:49:43,540 --> 00:49:46,710
 are important, valid, and pragmatic concerns

838
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:50,240
 that must be taken into strong consideration

839
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:53,220
 as you deliberate on these matters.

840
00:49:53,220 --> 00:49:55,490
 These concerns include number one,

841
00:49:55,490 --> 00:49:57,830
 impact on local traffic.

842
00:49:57,830 --> 00:50:00,590
 The transportation impact assessment for blue

843
00:50:00,590 --> 00:50:01,220
grass

844
00:50:01,220 --> 00:50:03,850
 mentions about the big increase of traffic flow

845
00:50:03,850 --> 00:50:05,260
 in the area,

846
00:50:05,260 --> 00:50:08,050
 which has small roads with only two lanes,

847
00:50:08,050 --> 00:50:11,640
 one going one way and one going the other.

848
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,700
 The increased traffic would be very inadequate

849
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:17,070
 for the immediate roadways in the area,

850
00:50:17,070 --> 00:50:20,130
 even creating traffic conflicts and congestion

851
00:50:20,130 --> 00:50:23,340
 in the area at certain times of the day,

852
00:50:23,340 --> 00:50:27,120
 including at 3 p.m., when a school bus drops off

853
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:27,470
 kids

854
00:50:27,470 --> 00:50:31,090
 after school, after school has finished for the

855
00:50:31,090 --> 00:50:31,400
 day,

856
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,850
 which also creates concerns over adequate access

857
00:50:34,850 --> 00:50:38,260
 to school transportation and school zone safety.

858
00:50:38,260 --> 00:50:41,270
 Number two, no stormwater management report

859
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:42,860
 has been submitted.

860
00:50:42,860 --> 00:50:44,480
 Residents have highlighted the fact

861
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,360
 that no stormwater management report has been

862
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,550
 submitted,

863
00:50:48,550 --> 00:50:50,250
 which is concerning given the fact

864
00:50:50,250 --> 00:50:52,870
 that the area has already experienced flooding in

865
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:53,370
 the past,

866
00:50:53,370 --> 00:50:56,000
 which has impacted the area and damaged people's

867
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,070
 homes.

868
00:50:57,070 --> 00:50:59,160
 There is also concern that if the proposed

869
00:50:59,160 --> 00:50:59,590
 development

870
00:50:59,590 --> 00:51:01,990
 were to be built, the flooding would increase

871
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:04,320
 and become worse for the area.

872
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,180
 And number three, improper completion

873
00:51:07,180 --> 00:51:09,380
 of submitted assessments.

874
00:51:09,380 --> 00:51:11,790
 Residents have expressed concern

875
00:51:11,790 --> 00:51:14,420
 over the improper completion of submitted

876
00:51:14,420 --> 00:51:15,120
 assessments,

877
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,020
 which is a big issue.

878
00:51:17,020 --> 00:51:19,050
 One example includes the transportation

879
00:51:19,050 --> 00:51:21,870
 as impact assessment not appearing to account

880
00:51:21,870 --> 00:51:24,920
 for emergency vehicle frequency,

881
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,380
 which is something that should be included

882
00:51:27,380 --> 00:51:29,050
 as it would be an important thing

883
00:51:29,050 --> 00:51:33,570
 for the proposed long-term care facility onsite.

884
00:51:33,570 --> 00:51:36,540
 Another example includes an inconsistency

885
00:51:36,540 --> 00:51:39,710
 on the sanitary sewer capacity analysis

886
00:51:39,710 --> 00:51:42,340
 that appears to show conflicting population

887
00:51:42,340 --> 00:51:43,410
 totals.

888
00:51:43,410 --> 00:51:46,180
 And another example includes the incomplete noise

889
00:51:46,180 --> 00:51:47,090
 study

890
00:51:47,090 --> 00:51:49,070
 in which residents highlighted

891
00:51:49,070 --> 00:51:51,950
 how the noise study has not properly assessed

892
00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:54,880
 the outgoing noise from the development itself

893
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,550
 in relation to its impact on the adjacent

894
00:51:58,550 --> 00:51:59,820
 residences.

895
00:51:59,820 --> 00:52:03,990
 And number four, not conforming to legislative

896
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:05,260
 precedence.

897
00:52:05,260 --> 00:52:07,180
 There is already legislative precedence

898
00:52:07,180 --> 00:52:09,930
 that currently exists that would not allow

899
00:52:09,930 --> 00:52:12,620
 proposed development to go forward in its current

900
00:52:12,620 --> 00:52:15,420
 form. Residents have highlighted how the proposed

901
00:52:15,420 --> 00:52:18,480
 development would go against the London Plan as

902
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,240
 well as against a by-law that was passed in

903
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:21,800
 regards

904
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,550
 to 945 Bluegrass Drive just six years ago, which

905
00:52:25,550 --> 00:52:28,650
 includes the prohibition of an emergency care

906
00:52:28,650 --> 00:52:32,160
 establishment from being developed on the land.

907
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,100
 And number five, loss of privacy and residential

908
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:38,250
 community. Residents highlighted how the final

909
00:52:38,250 --> 00:52:40,570
 building of the development would result in

910
00:52:40,570 --> 00:52:43,480
 concerning loss of privacy and sunlight, which

911
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,380
 also brings up the concern over no shadow study

912
00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:52,560
 being completed as of now. 30 seconds. Number six

913
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,430
, potential municipal liability. Residents

914
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:57,520
 highlighted how the proposed development that

915
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,400
 might be built on a land that is sitting on

916
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,220
 a higher elevation than the nearby properties

917
00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:05,710
 along Cherrywood Trail, which is an area that

918
00:53:05,710 --> 00:53:08,350
 is already prone to flooding could result in

919
00:53:08,350 --> 00:53:10,680
 potential litigious action being taken

920
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,690
 against the city on grounds of negligence

921
00:53:13,690 --> 00:53:16,040
 liability based on the principle of foresee

922
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,060
ability as

923
00:53:17,060 --> 00:53:20,240
 established through Ontario case law, including

924
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:23,670
 the case, I believe LISAC v. City of Toronto

925
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:24,640
 2008.

926
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,400
 Okay, I'm going to have to ask you to wind it up.

927
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,640
 And of course, there's concerns over construction

928
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,850
 impact as there's no construction management

929
00:53:36,850 --> 00:53:40,330
 plan currently available at this moment, and

930
00:53:40,330 --> 00:53:42,390
 there's estimates that this could last two to

931
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:42,630
 four

932
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:45,900
 years, and residents have concerns over the

933
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:49,780
 environment and traffic becoming worse and worse.

934
00:53:49,780 --> 00:53:53,150
 Okay, thank you very much at your time. I look

935
00:53:53,150 --> 00:53:57,620
 for the next speaker. I don't see anyone in the

936
00:53:57,620 --> 00:54:00,310
 gallery, so I know there's a number of people

937
00:54:00,310 --> 00:54:07,400
 online, so sorry ma'am, please give us your name,

938
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,970
 you have five minutes. Good afternoon committee

939
00:54:10,970 --> 00:54:13,060
 members, city staff members of the public.

940
00:54:13,060 --> 00:54:16,220
 My name is Paulette Campbell. I've been living in

941
00:54:16,220 --> 00:54:18,970
 the Northwest London neighborhood of Oak Ridge

942
00:54:18,970 --> 00:54:22,000
 crossings for about 20 years. I'm also the

943
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,170
 founding chair of the Oak Ridge Crossings

944
00:54:24,170 --> 00:54:27,070
 Neighborhood Association. Well you have just

945
00:54:27,070 --> 00:54:29,800
 heard concerns from area residents in regard to

946
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:30,030
 the

947
00:54:30,030 --> 00:54:34,660
 proposed, excuse me, development at 945 Bluegrass

948
00:54:34,660 --> 00:54:37,750
 Drive. I would like to share some concerns that

949
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:41,520
 that the neighborhood association has.

950
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,760
 A big concern is that we have,

951
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,010
 it's over the loss of a key neighborhood amenity.

952
00:54:48,010 --> 00:54:49,650
 If this development were to go through

953
00:54:49,650 --> 00:54:52,740
 as a newer and growing neighborhood association,

954
00:54:52,740 --> 00:54:55,050
 we have been planning on holding future events

955
00:54:55,050 --> 00:54:58,230
 at 945 Bluegrass Drive.

956
00:54:58,230 --> 00:55:00,100
 Events that are important to the well-being

957
00:55:00,100 --> 00:55:00,930
 of the neighborhood,

958
00:55:00,930 --> 00:55:03,750
 important to making our neighbors meet each other

959
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:03,850
,

960
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:06,650
 becoming more close knit and together.

961
00:55:06,650 --> 00:55:09,110
 Important to the strong and stabilizing growth

962
00:55:09,110 --> 00:55:11,420
 of our neighborhood association,

963
00:55:11,420 --> 00:55:14,220
 and even important to boosting the local economy

964
00:55:14,220 --> 00:55:16,590
 by using the events to help highlight and promote

965
00:55:16,590 --> 00:55:18,650
 local businesses.

966
00:55:18,650 --> 00:55:20,800
 Unfortunately, other green spaces in our

967
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:21,420
 neighborhood

968
00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:24,390
 would not be adequate to host future events.

969
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:25,660
 The parks in our neighborhood,

970
00:55:25,660 --> 00:55:28,360
 while they are great to take a stroll through

971
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,610
 or bringing children to play at the playground,

972
00:55:30,610 --> 00:55:32,740
 they could not adequately host some of our

973
00:55:32,740 --> 00:55:36,110
 big future events that we would like to hold.

974
00:55:36,110 --> 00:55:38,240
 For example, of the parks that do not have

975
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:38,790
 sufficient

976
00:55:38,790 --> 00:55:41,560
 parking available to accommodate the large amount

977
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,070
 of event attendees we

978
00:55:43,070 --> 00:55:46,510
 would expect to be attending. For the three out

979
00:55:46,510 --> 00:55:47,860
 of the four parks we have the

980
00:55:47,860 --> 00:55:50,480
 only available spots to park would be in the

981
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,590
 streets near the parks which I

982
00:55:52,590 --> 00:55:55,170
 should mention there are two lanes one going one

983
00:55:55,170 --> 00:55:58,130
 way, one going the other way.

984
00:55:58,130 --> 00:56:00,780
 Meanwhile for the other park which is Capulet

985
00:56:00,780 --> 00:56:02,440
 Park the parking situation is

986
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,580
 a bit better but still not the greatest. There

987
00:56:06,580 --> 00:56:08,320
 are parking spots around Capulet

988
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,550
 park, but most of them are a part of the various

989
00:56:11,550 --> 00:56:13,140
 apartment complexes that are

990
00:56:13,140 --> 00:56:15,370
 typically reserved for the residents of the

991
00:56:15,370 --> 00:56:19,220
 buildings. Another example about our

992
00:56:19,220 --> 00:56:21,370
 parks, three out of four of them are not

993
00:56:21,370 --> 00:56:23,470
 geographically viable for holding our

994
00:56:23,470 --> 00:56:26,640
 big future event. Half of the Beaverbrook Woods

995
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,600
 Park is on a hill. The Weatherfield

996
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,400
 Park train is very hilly and uneven and not big

997
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,590
 enough. And Sunrise Park is too

998
00:56:35,590 --> 00:56:38,770
 small. With Capulet Park, there's mostly enough

999
00:56:38,770 --> 00:56:40,430
 flat land to hold an event, but

1000
00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:42,450
 Again, the factor of improper parking

1001
00:56:42,450 --> 00:56:43,090
 availability

1002
00:56:43,090 --> 00:56:46,220
 persists with Capulet, along with other parks.

1003
00:56:46,220 --> 00:56:50,060
 So please, I urge the committee to not vote

1004
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:51,930
 in favor of this proposed development

1005
00:56:51,930 --> 00:56:55,440
 at 945 Bluegrass Drive, as a vote in favor

1006
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,520
 could have a seriously negative impact

1007
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,660
 on our neighborhood's future.

1008
00:56:59,660 --> 00:57:02,980
 Instead, I would like to make a suggestion.

1009
00:57:02,980 --> 00:57:07,370
 Instead of developing at the Bluegrass Drive site

1010
00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:07,470
,

1011
00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:10,550
 how about the city can either give another parcel

1012
00:57:10,550 --> 00:57:11,130
 of land

1013
00:57:11,130 --> 00:57:14,150
 to the developers for free,

1014
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:16,000
 or sell it to the amount of reduced costs

1015
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,600
 so the developers won't have to spend

1016
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,750
 too much more money for more assessments

1017
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:23,910
 on their new parcel of land.

1018
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:26,640
 And with the now vacant land at 945 bluegrass

1019
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:26,990
 drive,

1020
00:57:26,990 --> 00:57:30,410
 the city could turn it into a park,

1021
00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:33,690
 potentially even designating it as a new park

1022
00:57:33,690 --> 00:57:36,960
 or designated as an expansion of the nearby

1023
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,520
 sunrise park.

1024
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,540
 Thank you very much for listening.

1025
00:57:40,540 --> 00:57:43,560
 And on a side note,

1026
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,170
 We'd like to wish Councillor Lewis a speed of

1027
00:57:46,170 --> 00:57:46,880
 recovery.

1028
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,790
 Thank you.

1029
00:57:48,790 --> 00:57:54,860
 - Thank you and on behalf of Deputy Mayor Lewis,

1030
00:57:54,860 --> 00:57:58,710
 I'm sure that was very nice for him to hear.

1031
00:57:58,710 --> 00:58:00,770
 See a gentleman coming to the mic right now,

1032
00:58:00,770 --> 00:58:01,320
 please, sir.

1033
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:02,790
 Give us your name and you have five minutes.

1034
00:58:02,790 --> 00:58:07,870
 - Patrick Loria, I live on Beaverbrook Avenue.

1035
00:58:07,870 --> 00:58:11,540
 I've lived there for about 20 years

1036
00:58:11,540 --> 00:58:15,270
 and I didn't expect to speak so this is gonna be

1037
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:16,800
 ad-libbed.

1038
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:21,420
 Okay, so I heard this about a month or so ago,

1039
00:58:21,420 --> 00:58:24,110
 and it really didn't make a whole lot of sense.

1040
00:58:24,110 --> 00:58:25,720
 I know a lot of the people there

1041
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,920
 had hoped for a small dog park there at least,

1042
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,690
 and maybe a small community center

1043
00:58:30,690 --> 00:58:34,120
 with I guess Pickleball is taking over,

1044
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,250
 so a couple of Pickleball cards would be fine.

1045
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:41,680
 I wouldn't play, but okay, so I started looking

1046
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:42,110
 at this,

1047
00:58:42,110 --> 00:58:45,150
 and Steve knows me 'cause I've sent him a lot of

1048
00:58:45,150 --> 00:58:45,700
 letters,

1049
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:49,240
 and I had an idea about this, and it seems so

1050
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,520
 crazy.

1051
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,820
 Like, okay, today I found out from one of Steve's

1052
00:58:54,820 --> 00:58:55,250
 notes

1053
00:58:55,250 --> 00:58:58,590
 that who the person is that's gonna wanna do this

1054
00:58:58,590 --> 00:58:58,690
,

1055
00:58:58,590 --> 00:59:00,830
 and now it's not somebody we can buy on the stock

1056
00:59:00,830 --> 00:59:01,460
 exchange.

1057
00:59:01,460 --> 00:59:06,930
 It's some company that has a small one story,

1058
00:59:06,930 --> 00:59:12,190
 long-term care place in white oaks,

1059
00:59:12,190 --> 00:59:16,720
 and they indicated they had like 126 on their

1060
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,800
 waiting list,

1061
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:23,130
 and I've sent Steve notes like 168 parking spots,

1062
00:59:23,130 --> 00:59:25,250
 which is one less than 169,

1063
00:59:25,250 --> 00:59:28,900
 which would be 13 squared, which is very unlucky.

1064
00:59:28,900 --> 00:59:30,560
 And I've also told him,

1065
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,000
 I'm the one that's paced in on that stupid sign

1066
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,090
 telling us about how wonderful our life will be

1067
00:59:37,090 --> 00:59:39,230
 after this development.

1068
00:59:39,230 --> 00:59:42,740
 I put on several times,

1069
00:59:42,740 --> 00:59:46,400
 signs been taken down, something like,

1070
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,160
 they paved paradise,

1071
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:54,570
 Joanie Mitchell and a lot of parking spots.

1072
00:59:54,570 --> 00:59:57,990
 Now, okay, so I looked at this a bit more

1073
00:59:57,990 --> 01:00:01,030
 and I said, okay, so this company wants a

1074
01:00:01,030 --> 01:00:02,350
 retirement home

1075
01:00:02,350 --> 01:00:04,930
 and they love our area, great.

1076
01:00:04,930 --> 01:00:09,650
 What about that soccer field across,

1077
01:00:09,650 --> 01:00:11,880
 right across the street from Gateway,

1078
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,560
 which is owned by the Greek Club?

1079
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,510
 Well, we find out that the Greek Club,

1080
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:20,120
 which is not as active as it used to be,

1081
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,460
 in fact, much less active,

1082
01:00:22,460 --> 01:00:25,220
 but it's not for sale right now.

1083
01:00:25,220 --> 01:00:27,910
 It's almost identical property,

1084
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:30,830
 which I would think with none of the problems

1085
01:00:30,830 --> 01:00:34,120
 that my cohorts have presented.

1086
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,690
 Now, I first presented this idea to Steve as a

1087
01:00:36,690 --> 01:00:38,930
 joke,

1088
01:00:38,930 --> 01:00:41,100
 but maybe it isn't that funny.

1089
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:44,460
 Maybe it does offer a possibility.

1090
01:00:44,460 --> 01:00:47,690
 It still seems like a joke to me,

1091
01:00:47,690 --> 01:00:51,000
 but if you examine the two properties are almost

1092
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:51,570
 identical

1093
01:00:51,570 --> 01:00:54,270
 and there's all kinds of building going on

1094
01:00:54,270 --> 01:00:56,610
 all around that Greek club,

1095
01:00:56,610 --> 01:00:58,430
 I don't think anybody would mind too much

1096
01:00:58,430 --> 01:01:00,140
 having a retirement home there.

1097
01:01:00,140 --> 01:01:03,900
 right off of Sarnia Road. Now, would there be any

1098
01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:06,310
 good thing coming out of this thing?

1099
01:01:06,310 --> 01:01:10,510
 Yeah, we'd get a traffic light on the corner of S

1100
01:01:10,510 --> 01:01:15,060
arnia and Beaver Brook, which is badly needed

1101
01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:20,330
 right now. I've already got... The people have

1102
01:01:20,330 --> 01:01:23,460
 mentioned about trouble with traffic. I've

1103
01:01:23,460 --> 01:01:23,700
 already

1104
01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:26,310
 got three friends that don't even bother trying

1105
01:01:26,310 --> 01:01:28,650
 to do a left turn on Sarnia and Beaver Brook.

1106
01:01:28,650 --> 01:01:31,850
 They'd rather go a mile or two out of their way

1107
01:01:31,850 --> 01:01:35,370
 to avoid that. And me, while I do it,

1108
01:01:35,370 --> 01:01:37,930
 But I do things that if you had a traffic cop

1109
01:01:37,930 --> 01:01:40,190
 there, I would get a lot of tickets, but I do

1110
01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:42,540
 make that left term. That's it

1111
01:01:42,540 --> 01:01:47,530
 Thank you. Thank you, mr. Loria. I look for any

1112
01:01:47,530 --> 01:01:52,570
 other speakers in the gallery seeing none. I'll

1113
01:01:52,570 --> 01:01:55,270
 go to those online

1114
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:56,780
 first

1115
01:01:56,780 --> 01:02:06,610
 Hannah keys do you hear me Anna keys? Hello? We

1116
01:02:06,610 --> 01:02:07,540
 can

1117
01:02:07,540 --> 01:02:12,190
 You have five minutes, please go ahead. Thank you

1118
01:02:12,190 --> 01:02:14,460
. I will be brief. I'm sorry. I have a distinct

1119
01:02:14,460 --> 01:02:15,640
 baby on me right now

1120
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:20,320
 it's why I'm unable to attend in person. But just

1121
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:24,350
 to echo my neighbors as well and I want to thank

1122
01:02:24,350 --> 01:02:26,360
 them for their comments that they have made and I

1123
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,950
 do agree with them about the increase of size

1124
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:32,280
 and concerns about the increase in traffic in the

1125
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,600
 neighborhood as a whole. I live closer to

1126
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,620
 Beaverbrook and I've been in this neighborhood

1127
01:02:38,620 --> 01:02:40,700
 for about 10 years now and I have a very young

1128
01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:47,260
 family and the increase of and the type of

1129
01:02:47,260 --> 01:02:52,040
 increase of apartments and facilities and you

1130
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:52,470
 know staff

1131
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:55,950
 members 24/7 going through Beaver Brook. I do

1132
01:02:55,950 --> 01:02:59,880
 have concerns about that you know the the

1133
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:04,120
 traffic circles and the speed humps they only do

1134
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,220
 so much to call the speeders and the traffic

1135
01:03:07,220 --> 01:03:10,260
 of those trying to circumvent the sarnia and

1136
01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:13,300
 wonderland intersection and you know quite

1137
01:03:13,300 --> 01:03:17,060
 frequently, I find quite unsafe to even walk to

1138
01:03:17,060 --> 01:03:19,180
 the nearby parks and try to cross those roads

1139
01:03:19,180 --> 01:03:21,960
 due to these, you know, people trying to do that.

1140
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,630
 So the increase in traffic in that area

1141
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:28,580
 is a great concern in addition. I'm not sure if

1142
01:03:28,580 --> 01:03:31,670
 it has been in one of the reports already,

1143
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:34,550
 but I do have concerns about the increase in

1144
01:03:34,550 --> 01:03:38,480
 traffic for the Hyde Park and Sarnit intersection

1145
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:43,570
 as well. I have children in daycare in that

1146
01:03:43,570 --> 01:03:48,260
 corner of that little plaza. There is

1147
01:03:48,260 --> 01:03:51,390
 it's importance in that plaza as well, which in

1148
01:03:51,390 --> 01:03:53,570
 the morning makes quite a dangerous

1149
01:03:53,570 --> 01:03:57,660
 commute into the daycare and into that turn. And

1150
01:03:57,660 --> 01:04:00,350
 there's not a very long left hand turn

1151
01:04:00,350 --> 01:04:03,940
 that intersection. That's not a very large

1152
01:04:03,940 --> 01:04:08,530
 parking lot. The increase of the workers 24/7,

1153
01:04:08,530 --> 01:04:12,100
 the residents who may temporarily be living in

1154
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:14,870
 the apartment, they will be, you know,

1155
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:17,490
 pre-funding this plaza. And while I'm glad that

1156
01:04:17,490 --> 01:04:20,160
 the businesses will have an increase in patrons,

1157
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,340
 I do have concerns about the actual

1158
01:04:22,340 --> 01:04:25,940
 infrastructure of the road of getting into that

1159
01:04:25,940 --> 01:04:26,810
 plaza and getting

1160
01:04:26,810 --> 01:04:29,940
 out of that plaza more specifically because it is

1161
01:04:29,940 --> 01:04:33,170
 not, you know, very pleasant at the best of

1162
01:04:33,170 --> 01:04:36,190
 time, especially in the morning. And I'm not sure

1163
01:04:36,190 --> 01:04:38,650
 if that is something that has been looked at

1164
01:04:38,650 --> 01:04:38,960
 about

1165
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,740
 how the nearby major intersection is going to be

1166
01:04:42,740 --> 01:04:46,500
 impacted and if that's going to be expanded or if

1167
01:04:46,500 --> 01:04:49,120
 there's going to be a change in how those lights

1168
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,250
 are going to operate, you know, and increasing in

1169
01:04:52,250 --> 01:04:54,490
 the left hand, you know, turn lane making it

1170
01:04:54,490 --> 01:04:57,100
 longer, making increases in the right hand turn

1171
01:04:57,100 --> 01:04:57,310
 lanes,

1172
01:04:57,310 --> 01:05:00,240
 making it longer as well. So those are just some

1173
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,830
 additional items that I do have some concerns

1174
01:05:03,830 --> 01:05:06,550
 about and I'm not sure have been addressed in the

1175
01:05:06,550 --> 01:05:09,190
 letters that have already been presented by

1176
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:12,240
 my fellow neighbors. But other than that, you

1177
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,230
 know, that would be all the addition that I would

1178
01:05:15,230 --> 01:05:18,340
 have to add today. So I wanted to thank you for

1179
01:05:18,340 --> 01:05:20,620
 your time and for hearing you.

1180
01:05:20,620 --> 01:05:24,060
 Thank you, Ms. Keys. I'll go to the next person

1181
01:05:24,060 --> 01:05:26,240
 online, Anna Dietrich. Can you hear me,

1182
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:31,460
 Ms. Dietrich? Hello. Yeah. Can you hear me? Yes,

1183
01:05:31,460 --> 01:05:34,300
 I can. Please go ahead. You have five minutes.

1184
01:05:34,300 --> 01:05:38,270
 Hello. My name is Anna Dietrich. I live on Wild

1185
01:05:38,270 --> 01:05:40,600
 Rose Lane, which is a two-minute walk

1186
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:46,840
 from 945 bluegrass. We've lived here for about 10

1187
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,250
 years now and we have three small children

1188
01:05:49,250 --> 01:05:55,350
 and we find that building long-term care home and

1189
01:05:55,350 --> 01:05:58,090
 apartments is just not suitable for this

1190
01:05:58,090 --> 01:06:01,450
 neighborhood. There's a lot of young families

1191
01:06:01,450 --> 01:06:04,620
 that have their children play in the park,

1192
01:06:04,620 --> 01:06:07,790
 whether it be baseball, run around with dogs,

1193
01:06:07,790 --> 01:06:10,490
 play soccer, exercise, people come with rubber

1194
01:06:10,490 --> 01:06:14,080
 bands and do their pulls and things like that.

1195
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,360
 And just the green space itself. It's just so

1196
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:16,760
 pleasant.

1197
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,170
 It's heartbreaking to let it go as one thing, but

1198
01:06:20,170 --> 01:06:22,710
 it's also the amount of stories that is

1199
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:24,750
 proposed for story apartments. It's just not

1200
01:06:24,750 --> 01:06:27,970
 fitting. The increased traffic would make the

1201
01:06:27,970 --> 01:06:31,780
 roads very unsafe. We already have one a long-

1202
01:06:31,780 --> 01:06:35,530
term care home, just a bit east of the proposed

1203
01:06:35,530 --> 01:06:35,930
 area.

1204
01:06:37,170 --> 01:06:41,130
 and it's on Sarnia and it makes quite a few

1205
01:06:41,130 --> 01:06:45,410
 accidents going home down our streets

1206
01:06:45,410 --> 01:06:48,120
 because you know nurses in a rush to start their

1207
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,260
 shift and stuff like that and they may be on

1208
01:06:50,260 --> 01:06:50,360
 their

1209
01:06:50,260 --> 01:06:53,720
 phone and not looking etc. So it's a concern as

1210
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,480
 we have so many young children in the

1211
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:57,040
 neighborhood

1212
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,430
 running around on their bicycles etc and as you

1213
01:07:00,430 --> 01:07:03,400
 know you can say a thousand times to them but

1214
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:03,550
 they

1215
01:07:03,550 --> 01:07:07,930
 don't always look in the cross road. So the

1216
01:07:07,930 --> 01:07:12,130
 safety is a big concern as well as just losing

1217
01:07:12,130 --> 01:07:12,520
 that green

1218
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,650
 space and we don't find that it's going to be a

1219
01:07:16,650 --> 01:07:20,680
 value add to our neighborhood to build long-term

1220
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:25,900
 care home or high-story apartments. We would

1221
01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:30,090
 rather see a park or a community center or a

1222
01:07:30,090 --> 01:07:30,480
 public

1223
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:34,410
 library or even a gym, anything that would

1224
01:07:34,410 --> 01:07:36,510
 actually benefit and would fit with the

1225
01:07:36,510 --> 01:07:37,520
 neighborhood

1226
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:41,720
 as opposed to take away from our neighborhood,

1227
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,810
 decrease housing prices of our homes and just

1228
01:07:45,810 --> 01:07:48,990
 decrease the enjoyment of the area. There is a

1229
01:07:48,990 --> 01:07:54,470
 lot of people that use this green space to social

1230
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:54,900
ize,

1231
01:07:54,900 --> 01:07:59,440
 to play, to run around, and this particular area

1232
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,050
 draws a lot of people. There's not enough

1233
01:08:03,050 --> 01:08:07,170
 outdoor activities, outdoor equipment, I would

1234
01:08:07,170 --> 01:08:10,030
 say, for adults and for children in our

1235
01:08:10,030 --> 01:08:10,590
 neighborhood.

1236
01:08:10,590 --> 01:08:16,360
 We see a lot more in Oak Park, which is around

1237
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:21,650
 High Park and Oxford intersection. There is Oak

1238
01:08:21,650 --> 01:08:26,130
 Oak Ridge Arena on one side and then diagonally

1239
01:08:26,130 --> 01:08:30,280
 there's Oak Park. Both of them have a lot

1240
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:34,200
 of equipment and people can enjoy lots of

1241
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,580
 different sports there whereas this area is

1242
01:08:37,580 --> 01:08:41,580
 quite far from it and it would benefit us and our

1243
01:08:41,580 --> 01:08:45,270
 neighbors to have more equipment and

1244
01:08:45,270 --> 01:08:48,260
 more things that you know neighbors can enjoy

1245
01:08:48,260 --> 01:08:51,280
 here as opposed to you know create more dangerous

1246
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:55,210
 road situations where there might be accidents

1247
01:08:55,210 --> 01:08:57,130
 involved, especially with the

1248
01:08:57,130 --> 01:08:59,460
 young children. Thank you very much for your time

1249
01:08:59,460 --> 01:09:02,340
. Thank you, Mr. Dietrich. We'll

1250
01:09:02,340 --> 01:09:07,470
 go online again. Veronica, can you hear me?

1251
01:09:07,470 --> 01:09:09,580
 Please give us your full name and you

1252
01:09:09,580 --> 01:09:14,270
 have five minutes. Yeah, hi. Good afternoon Mr.

1253
01:09:14,270 --> 01:09:16,210
 Chair and member of

1254
01:09:16,210 --> 01:09:19,940
 committee. I have prepared remarks I would like

1255
01:09:19,940 --> 01:09:23,000
 to read into the record. My

1256
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:28,620
 My name is Ronak Patel, my property is at 945

1257
01:09:28,620 --> 01:09:32,890
 Bluegrass Drive is directly behind my home.

1258
01:09:32,890 --> 01:09:35,750
 I am here to ask this committee to refuse the

1259
01:09:35,750 --> 01:09:37,430
 application.

1260
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:40,710
 I want to focus on what is actually being

1261
01:09:40,710 --> 01:09:44,220
 proposed behind our homes because I do not

1262
01:09:44,220 --> 01:09:47,990
 believe the staff report fully captures it.

1263
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:50,490
 This is not a residential development.

1264
01:09:50,490 --> 01:09:55,130
 This is a 224 bed institutional facility being

1265
01:09:55,130 --> 01:09:59,770
 placed directly between single family homes.

1266
01:09:59,770 --> 01:10:02,390
 Most of them with a school going young children

1267
01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:04,690
 on a quite residential street in a quite

1268
01:10:04,690 --> 01:10:06,340
 neighborhood.

1269
01:10:06,340 --> 01:10:09,570
 A long-term care facility at this scale is the

1270
01:10:09,570 --> 01:10:14,080
 most intensive form of senior care in Ontario.

1271
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,210
 It is regulated under the fixing long-term care

1272
01:10:17,210 --> 01:10:18,810
 act 2021.

1273
01:10:18,810 --> 01:10:22,590
 same legislature framework that governs licensed

1274
01:10:22,590 --> 01:10:25,900
 health institutions. That framework does not

1275
01:10:25,900 --> 01:10:28,660
 apply to apartments. It does not apply to

1276
01:10:28,660 --> 01:10:31,920
 retirement homes. It applies here because this is

1277
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:32,630
 in practice

1278
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:36,470
 and institutional use. The intensity of this

1279
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:39,890
 proposal is fundamentally different from anything

1280
01:10:39,890 --> 01:10:44,090
 that exists in this neighborhood today. A 224 bed

1281
01:10:44,090 --> 01:10:48,090
 facility operates 24 hours a day, 365 days

1282
01:10:48,090 --> 01:10:51,500
 a week over year. It includes multiple staff

1283
01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:54,130
 shift changes generating concentrated traffic

1284
01:10:54,130 --> 01:10:57,400
 at predictable times. It relies on continuous

1285
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,760
 mechanical system including HVAC, commercial

1286
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,690
 kitchen, industrial laundry and backup generators

1287
01:11:02,690 --> 01:11:07,180
. It requires ambulance and parametric access

1288
01:11:07,180 --> 01:11:10,290
 at all hours including overnight. It brings daily

1289
01:11:10,290 --> 01:11:12,980
 commercial delivery for food, pharmaceuticals,

1290
01:11:12,980 --> 01:11:17,080
 medical supplies, linen and medical waste. And it

1291
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,610
 generates a substantial visitor traffic

1292
01:11:19,610 --> 01:11:19,930
 throughout

1293
01:11:19,930 --> 01:11:23,340
 day and into the evening. These are not

1294
01:11:23,340 --> 01:11:25,710
 residential characteristics. These are

1295
01:11:25,710 --> 01:11:27,470
 institutional characteristics.

1296
01:11:27,470 --> 01:11:31,650
 What is also especially concerning is where this

1297
01:11:31,650 --> 01:11:36,300
 institutional facility is located on the site.

1298
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:40,540
 Both the provincial planning statement and the

1299
01:11:40,540 --> 01:11:43,540
 London land requires land use compatibility

1300
01:11:43,540 --> 01:11:47,720
 analysis. That analysis must consider real world

1301
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:51,900
 impact, not just zoning labels. While the bylaw

1302
01:11:51,900 --> 01:11:55,390
 may categorize long-term care under residential

1303
01:11:55,390 --> 01:11:58,060
 use, the way this facility actually operates

1304
01:11:58,060 --> 01:12:02,370
 is institutional. At this scale with these

1305
01:12:02,370 --> 01:12:05,840
 operational realities and this proximity to

1306
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,010
 existing homes,

1307
01:12:07,010 --> 01:12:11,800
 it is not compatible. The intensity of this

1308
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:17,460
 proposal is the central issue. The site sits

1309
01:12:17,460 --> 01:12:20,070
 at a higher elevation than surrounding homes on

1310
01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:23,060
 Cherrywood Trail. Homes on Cherrywood Trail

1311
01:12:23,060 --> 01:12:23,920
 already

1312
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,710
 have a history of basement flooding even under

1313
01:12:26,710 --> 01:12:30,300
 existing condition. Standard engineering estimate

1314
01:12:30,300 --> 01:12:34,000
 shows a show runoff increasing by five to ten

1315
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:38,320
 times. My own home sustained water damage in

1316
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,650
 July 2024 while this field was still entirely

1317
01:12:42,650 --> 01:12:46,560
 permeable. I incurred a repair cost of

1318
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:51,420
 11,000 and on neighbors documented basement

1319
01:12:51,420 --> 01:12:54,510
 flooding in 2018 with renovation cost of

1320
01:12:54,510 --> 01:12:55,520
 approximately

1321
01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:01,290
 $40,000. The proposed service servicing demand

1322
01:13:01,290 --> 01:13:04,390
 exceeds the existing allocation of this site.

1323
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:04,500
 I want to state clearly for the public record,

1324
01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:10,020
 Holmes and Cherrywood Trail have a documented

1325
01:13:10,020 --> 01:13:13,320
 history of flooding. The city has now been made

1326
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,110
 aware of that history. If this development

1327
01:13:16,110 --> 01:13:19,150
 is approved and flooding risk increases, that

1328
01:13:19,150 --> 01:13:24,840
 risk is foreseeable. Under bill 185, residents

1329
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,420
 have no right to appeal this decision on to the

1330
01:13:28,420 --> 01:13:31,410
 Ontario land tribunal. The decision you

1331
01:13:31,410 --> 01:13:36,250
 make on May 12th is a final. The scale and

1332
01:13:36,250 --> 01:13:39,510
 intensity of this proposal are not compatible

1333
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:42,130
 with this neighbourhood. For this reason I

1334
01:13:42,130 --> 01:13:44,640
 respectfully ask this committee to refuse

1335
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:49,480
 the application. Thank you. Thank you. All right.

1336
01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:52,410
 I'll look for other speakers that

1337
01:13:52,410 --> 01:14:02,410
 that are online in Kowski, can you hear me?

1338
01:14:02,410 --> 01:14:06,260
 Yes, please go ahead, you have five minutes.

1339
01:14:06,260 --> 01:14:09,100
 - I just wanted to echo that what everybody's

1340
01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:10,160
 been saying,

1341
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,570
 all the concerns that have been raised here.

1342
01:14:12,570 --> 01:14:17,880
 I live on Reddale Trail, which is adjacent

1343
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:19,910
 to the property in question.

1344
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:22,640
 And the only thing I wanted to add is that

1345
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,650
 in this neighborhood, we do lack green space

1346
01:14:25,650 --> 01:14:28,070
 as one of the people have raised that concern.

1347
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:32,500
 And this proposal is not helping its hindering

1348
01:14:32,500 --> 01:14:33,170
 the issue

1349
01:14:33,170 --> 01:14:35,460
 that we have in this neighborhood.

1350
01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:36,350
 Thank you.

1351
01:14:36,350 --> 01:14:38,280
 - Thank you.

1352
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:42,440
 I'll go next to Deborah Terros.

1353
01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:45,520
 Can you hear me?

1354
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,500
 - I can hear you, I think.

1355
01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:48,930
 - I can hear you.

1356
01:14:48,930 --> 01:14:49,920
 - Oh, good.

1357
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:50,750
 - All good.

1358
01:14:50,750 --> 01:14:52,450
 - I apologize if I got your last name wrong.

1359
01:14:52,450 --> 01:14:54,390
 - Oh, it's okay, I get tortured all the time.

1360
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:55,290
 Don't worry about it.

1361
01:14:55,290 --> 01:14:57,450
 - Please go ahead, you have five minutes.

1362
01:14:57,450 --> 01:14:59,140
 - Thank you, my name is Deborah Terros.

1363
01:14:59,140 --> 01:15:03,630
 I have a familial interest in this community.

1364
01:15:03,630 --> 01:15:05,390
 And thank you for the opportunity to share

1365
01:15:05,390 --> 01:15:06,360
 comments today.

1366
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,980
 I am speaking today to respectfully request

1367
01:15:09,980 --> 01:15:13,000
 the zoning application be denied.

1368
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:16,160
 I in reference specifically to the deaths and

1369
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:16,790
 breadth

1370
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:19,950
 surrounding the proposed increased population

1371
01:15:19,950 --> 01:15:21,120
 density

1372
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,320
 and its untenable impact to safety in our

1373
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:25,310
 community,

1374
01:15:25,310 --> 01:15:28,880
 transportation and traffic in our dear rich

1375
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,300
 community.

1376
01:15:31,300 --> 01:15:33,770
 The neighborhood is a single family low density

1377
01:15:33,770 --> 01:15:36,400
 residential pocket community.

1378
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,070
 the original developers recognized and respected

1379
01:15:39,070 --> 01:15:42,470
 the boutique flavor of the neighborhood.

1380
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:44,520
 Purposely, there is not a road.

1381
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,890
 There is not a street, an avenue, or a boulevard

1382
01:15:47,890 --> 01:15:51,020
 designated within our dear-knit, dear-rich

1383
01:15:51,020 --> 01:15:52,630
 neighborhood.

1384
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:57,610
 What there is are courts, trails, gates,

1385
01:15:57,610 --> 01:16:01,220
 and one drive, bluegrass drive.

1386
01:16:01,220 --> 01:16:03,170
 None of these roadway designations

1387
01:16:03,170 --> 01:16:06,800
 is intended to flows through traffic, industrial

1388
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:07,770
 traffic,

1389
01:16:07,770 --> 01:16:12,370
 or is a consideration of city transit.

1390
01:16:12,370 --> 01:16:14,750
 Additionally, this pocket community is home

1391
01:16:14,750 --> 01:16:16,620
 to Sunrise Park.

1392
01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:18,670
 I think that was mentioned earlier.

1393
01:16:18,670 --> 01:16:20,860
 And it's extended pathway which connects

1394
01:16:20,860 --> 01:16:25,180
 the two residential areas defined as Deer Ridge

1395
01:16:25,180 --> 01:16:26,750
 neighborhood.

1396
01:16:26,750 --> 01:16:29,800
 The property in question at 945 separates

1397
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,990
 these two residential neighborhoods.

1398
01:16:32,990 --> 01:16:36,160
 The history being that Gateway Church owned this

1399
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:37,590
 vacant land

1400
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:42,350
 at one time and has since sold it to a developer.

1401
01:16:42,350 --> 01:16:44,490
 This community is full of children who flow

1402
01:16:44,490 --> 01:16:44,980
 freely

1403
01:16:44,980 --> 01:16:46,880
 within the perimeter of the Deer Ridge

1404
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,220
 neighborhood.

1405
01:16:48,220 --> 01:16:50,630
 The proposed population density increase

1406
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:53,470
 and its inherent increased vehicle traffic

1407
01:16:53,470 --> 01:16:56,840
 would present a serious safety hazard.

1408
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:57,910
 I plead.

1409
01:16:57,910 --> 01:17:00,550
 The one and only drive in the neighborhood is

1410
01:17:00,550 --> 01:17:01,640
 bluegrass drive.

1411
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,530
 Its distance is less than one kilometer.

1412
01:17:04,530 --> 01:17:07,600
 The applicant spoke to calming measures.

1413
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,350
 How much calmer can you get them less than one

1414
01:17:10,350 --> 01:17:10,890
 cook?

1415
01:17:10,890 --> 01:17:12,480
 I don't understand.

1416
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:15,550
 Its pathway purpose is that of a two-lane east

1417
01:17:15,550 --> 01:17:15,850
bound

1418
01:17:15,850 --> 01:17:17,340
 westbound channel.

1419
01:17:17,340 --> 01:17:21,640
 And it provides vehicular connection to locals.

1420
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,210
 Redtail Trail is about 40 meters away

1421
01:17:24,210 --> 01:17:27,180
 from the roundabout, a backside vehicular entry

1422
01:17:27,180 --> 01:17:30,240
 to gateway churches about 60 meters away.

1423
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,020
 And this bluegrass drive ends with a roundabout

1424
01:17:33,020 --> 01:17:34,880
 at Cherrywood Gate.

1425
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,600
 Cherrywood Gate's purpose is primarily

1426
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,270
 to connect the Cherrywood Trail community

1427
01:17:40,270 --> 01:17:44,550
 with the Redtail Trail community.

1428
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:48,390
 I have to add that currently even residents

1429
01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:48,860
 attempting

1430
01:17:48,860 --> 01:17:53,170
 to exit our community, Deer Ridge,

1431
01:17:53,170 --> 01:17:56,170
 in order to proceed westbound on Sarnia Road,

1432
01:17:56,170 --> 01:17:58,740
 either morning or afternoon, has become a dice

1433
01:17:58,740 --> 01:17:59,350
 roll.

1434
01:17:59,350 --> 01:18:01,660
 As many as seven minutes to 10 minutes

1435
01:18:01,660 --> 01:18:04,970
 before you can safely exit westbound on Sarnia

1436
01:18:04,970 --> 01:18:05,250
 Road.

1437
01:18:05,250 --> 01:18:08,110
 And that's not uncommon.

1438
01:18:08,110 --> 01:18:11,870
 The traffic that exists due to recent town

1439
01:18:11,870 --> 01:18:17,470
 houses being constructed and on Sarnia Road is a

1440
01:18:17,470 --> 01:18:18,280
 concern.

1441
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:22,540
 There's also 801 Sarnia Road where there's

1442
01:18:22,540 --> 01:18:22,920
 currently

1443
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:26,200
 an eight-story apartment building that's in

1444
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:26,770
 progress

1445
01:18:26,770 --> 01:18:32,090
 and another six-story that is pending application

1446
01:18:32,090 --> 01:18:33,070
 to my knowledge.

1447
01:18:33,070 --> 01:18:35,620
 And the competing flow-through traffic

1448
01:18:35,620 --> 01:18:37,490
 from Beaver Brook Avenue,

1449
01:18:37,490 --> 01:18:40,200
 when we try to exit our neighborhood,

1450
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,820
 the Greek center traffic and the school in city

1451
01:18:42,820 --> 01:18:43,290
 buses

1452
01:18:43,290 --> 01:18:45,740
 is already dense.

1453
01:18:45,740 --> 01:18:48,670
 Current construction, well, pardon me,

1454
01:18:48,670 --> 01:18:51,450
 the potential for twin 15 story towers

1455
01:18:51,450 --> 01:18:55,550
 on nearby High Park Road at Sarnia Road,

1456
01:18:55,550 --> 01:18:56,370
 basically,

1457
01:18:56,370 --> 01:18:59,110
 will surely add to the traffic density of Sarnia

1458
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:59,690
 Road.

1459
01:18:59,690 --> 01:19:01,940
 It just seems untenable.

1460
01:19:01,940 --> 01:19:05,210
 Additionally, and with, no, I'm not going to say

1461
01:19:05,210 --> 01:19:08,920
 that part in this one moment.

1462
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,410
 I understand why the developer sees his property

1463
01:19:12,410 --> 01:19:14,270
 as something that could be market driven

1464
01:19:14,270 --> 01:19:17,130
 and industrial and works great.

1465
01:19:17,130 --> 01:19:21,580
 The property was, as I said before, 2019

1466
01:19:21,580 --> 01:19:23,920
 authorized to go ahead with a three story

1467
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:31,320
 facilities set back and continued having green

1468
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:35,200
 space. What we have today is way beyond that.

1469
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,830
 30 seconds. Thank you. And I am almost finished.

1470
01:19:38,830 --> 01:19:41,520
 I'm going to leave it there, except to say,

1471
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,550
 cheers to everybody who came out and is making

1472
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:47,150
 their voices heard on this. I really do

1473
01:19:47,150 --> 01:19:48,930
 appreciate. Thank you again.

1474
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:53,740
 Thank you. I'll go to the next speaker online,

1475
01:19:53,740 --> 01:19:57,750
 Jennifer Spinni, if you can hear me.

1476
01:19:57,750 --> 01:20:01,240
 I can. Good afternoon. Great. Please go ahead.

1477
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:02,380
 You have five minutes.

1478
01:20:02,380 --> 01:20:05,610
 Okay. Thank you. Dear Council and members of the

1479
01:20:05,610 --> 01:20:07,030
 Planning Environment Committee,

1480
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:10,540
 my name is Jennifer Spinni and I reside at 771

1481
01:20:10,540 --> 01:20:13,560
 Redtail Trail. My home backs on to the property

1482
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:18,380
 in question or 945 Bluegrass Drive. I greatly

1483
01:20:18,380 --> 01:20:20,640
 appreciate the opportunity to speak with you

1484
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,260
 all today about our Deer Ridge community, a

1485
01:20:23,260 --> 01:20:26,490
 community that I have called home since August

1486
01:20:26,490 --> 01:20:29,740
 of 2006 when there was a mere scattering of

1487
01:20:29,740 --> 01:20:32,570
 houses on mine and the surrounding streets.

1488
01:20:32,570 --> 01:20:35,900
 In many ways, I've grown into my adulthood and

1489
01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:38,400
 experienced many seasons of life alongside

1490
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:42,270
 and with the support of my neighbors. While I

1491
01:20:42,270 --> 01:20:44,810
 appreciate the platitudes offered by the planner,

1492
01:20:44,810 --> 01:20:49,120
 those meant to soothe, normalize, and push past

1493
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:52,580
 what she has somewhat flippantly referred to as

1494
01:20:52,580 --> 01:20:55,200
 anxious feelings. Respectfully planner, the

1495
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,790
 proposal does not represent a modest change.

1496
01:20:57,790 --> 01:21:01,050
 It represents a significant change from what the

1497
01:21:01,050 --> 01:21:04,450
 neighborhood represents currently and also

1498
01:21:04,450 --> 01:21:09,050
 that which was approved in 2019. A long-term care

1499
01:21:09,050 --> 01:21:11,210
 facility does not address the significant

1500
01:21:11,210 --> 01:21:13,840
 social disaster we are experiencing in London

1501
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,320
 relating to the unhoused population. Just wanted

1502
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:20,700
 to say that. And also, I want to make sure that

1503
01:21:20,700 --> 01:21:23,930
 we give enough care and attention to the

1504
01:21:23,930 --> 01:21:24,330
 community

1505
01:21:24,330 --> 01:21:27,170
 that we are talking about. We represent the Deer

1506
01:21:27,170 --> 01:21:29,200
 Ridge community, not simply the Hyde Park

1507
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:29,960
 community.

1508
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,690
 This is an important nuance not to be overlooked

1509
01:21:32,690 --> 01:21:35,950
 or diminished. Our community is active and

1510
01:21:35,950 --> 01:21:36,740
 engaged.

1511
01:21:36,740 --> 01:21:39,580
 We hold annual neighborhood events. One such

1512
01:21:39,580 --> 01:21:42,290
 event is the pumpkin roll. We are approaching the

1513
01:21:42,290 --> 01:21:42,760
 20th

1514
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,300
 annual pumpkin roll. This is during the Halloween

1515
01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:49,030
 season and it's important because we work

1516
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:49,530
 together

1517
01:21:49,530 --> 01:21:52,160
 as a community. Neighborhood children create the

1518
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,510
 signs, another resident posts the flyers on mail

1519
01:21:54,510 --> 01:21:57,340
 boxes. Another resident supplies the coffee and

1520
01:21:57,340 --> 01:21:58,690
 hot chocolate. Another person

1521
01:21:58,690 --> 01:22:01,970
 takes the pumpkins to the farm for the pigs. Our

1522
01:22:01,970 --> 01:22:04,070
 deer-rich community is a close-knit community.

1523
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:06,380
 Residents look out for each other and people know

1524
01:22:06,380 --> 01:22:08,610
 each other by name, not just by address.

1525
01:22:08,610 --> 01:22:11,060
 As already mentioned, children can play freely.

1526
01:22:11,060 --> 01:22:13,030
 They're able to safely explore in our

1527
01:22:13,030 --> 01:22:13,980
 neighborhood.

1528
01:22:13,980 --> 01:22:16,610
 Residents often share concerns with each other

1529
01:22:16,610 --> 01:22:19,440
 and support each other either tangibly or simply

1530
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:22,610
 by offering a listening ear. In our community, we

1531
01:22:22,610 --> 01:22:24,880
 are welcoming and inclusive. We celebrate

1532
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:25,670
 diversity

1533
01:22:25,670 --> 01:22:28,430
 and we advocate for equity deserving groups,

1534
01:22:28,430 --> 01:22:30,500
 especially those who have suffered great trauma

1535
01:22:30,500 --> 01:22:34,050
 and loss. Back in 2021 our community came

1536
01:22:34,050 --> 01:22:36,670
 together and hosted a Pancakes for Peace

1537
01:22:36,670 --> 01:22:37,440
 fundraiser in

1538
01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:39,690
 support of the off-sell family following the

1539
01:22:39,690 --> 01:22:41,940
 tragic terror attack that occurred just a few

1540
01:22:41,940 --> 01:22:46,100
 blocks away. I say this to illustrate that ours

1541
01:22:46,100 --> 01:22:49,160
 is a community that is deeply rooted and invested

1542
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:52,510
 and where people care for and about each other

1543
01:22:52,510 --> 01:22:55,910
 and we are able to thrive as such because of our

1544
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:56,220
 low

1545
01:22:56,220 --> 01:22:59,880
 density of residential standing. We can easily

1546
01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:02,730
 hold these outdoor activities, whether they are

1547
01:23:02,730 --> 01:23:05,350
 in our community or in our backyards. The

1548
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:08,350
 children are able to roam safely due to the lower

1549
01:23:08,350 --> 01:23:08,650
 traffic

1550
01:23:08,650 --> 01:23:11,370
 volumes. We are able to do these things in a cal

1551
01:23:11,370 --> 01:23:14,660
mer and quieter environment. And this is important

1552
01:23:14,660 --> 01:23:17,300
 because the proposal being considered this

1553
01:23:17,300 --> 01:23:20,440
 afternoon for 945 bluegrass does not emphasize

1554
01:23:20,440 --> 01:23:21,010
 these people

1555
01:23:21,010 --> 01:23:24,190
 first community values. The proposal is one that

1556
01:23:24,190 --> 01:23:26,970
 seems to prioritize profit over community.

1557
01:23:26,970 --> 01:23:32,350
 A 54 apartment unit plus a 224 bed long-term care

1558
01:23:32,350 --> 01:23:35,910
 institution situated within four-story buildings

1559
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:39,440
 that operates on a 24/7 basis will fundamentally

1560
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:42,350
 alter the identity and character of our community

1561
01:23:42,350 --> 01:23:42,450
.

1562
01:23:42,350 --> 01:23:45,470
 Furthermore, and perhaps more importantly, there

1563
01:23:45,470 --> 01:23:47,910
 does not seem to be sufficient nor justifiable

1564
01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:51,040
 reason to simply override the 2019 Council

1565
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:54,020
 protections. We already struggle with how narrow

1566
01:23:54,020 --> 01:23:54,660
 bluegrass

1567
01:23:54,660 --> 01:23:57,340
 is, particularly at the signing question,

1568
01:23:57,340 --> 01:24:00,210
 especially on Sundays during services offered by

1569
01:24:00,210 --> 01:24:00,760
 the Gateway

1570
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,780
 Church. Constructing a high density operation

1571
01:24:03,780 --> 01:24:07,470
 here will only make this worse. For these reasons

1572
01:24:07,470 --> 01:24:07,570
,

1573
01:24:07,470 --> 01:24:09,760
 I strongly oppose the developer's current

1574
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,370
 proposal and urge the Council and members of the

1575
01:24:12,370 --> 01:24:12,850
 Environment

1576
01:24:12,850 --> 01:24:15,590
 and Planning Committee to do the same. Make a

1577
01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:17,900
 decision that prioritizes community over profit,

1578
01:24:17,900 --> 01:24:21,800
 vote no to this proposal and to the overriding of

1579
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:26,070
 protections put in place in 2019. Please do

1580
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:29,450
 whatever you can to help as much as possible. The

1581
01:24:29,450 --> 01:24:32,900
 residents of Deer Ridge preserve the established

1582
01:24:32,900 --> 01:24:34,970
 low density residential character of our

1583
01:24:34,970 --> 01:24:38,030
 community. One that has been built by many of us

1584
01:24:38,030 --> 01:24:38,320
 with a

1585
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:41,290
 great deal of care and effort over the last 20 or

1586
01:24:41,290 --> 01:24:44,230
 more years. Thank you very much for your time.

1587
01:24:44,230 --> 01:24:57,880
 Thank you. I'll go online to Lamont Law. Can you

1588
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:06,110
 hear me? Good afternoon. Please go ahead,

1589
01:25:06,110 --> 01:25:10,260
 you have five minutes. Thank you. I'll try to be

1590
01:25:10,260 --> 01:25:12,810
 brief. I've listened to my neighbors on the

1591
01:25:12,810 --> 01:25:15,370
 Facebook group, as well as several of my

1592
01:25:15,370 --> 01:25:17,610
 neighbors today, presently in front of the

1593
01:25:17,610 --> 01:25:18,340
 council, and

1594
01:25:18,340 --> 01:25:23,340
 unfortunately, I couldn't be there. First of all,

1595
01:25:23,340 --> 01:25:25,830
 I was born and raised in London, Ontario.

1596
01:25:25,830 --> 01:25:28,240
 I moved away for probably about a decade before

1597
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:31,430
 having to move back home. And doing so, I came

1598
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:31,820
 back

1599
01:25:31,820 --> 01:25:36,660
 with the thought of building a family. In 2005, I

1600
01:25:36,660 --> 01:25:38,040
 chose to build a home in the

1601
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,940
 Deere Ridge neighborhood. The reason I chose this

1602
01:25:40,940 --> 01:25:42,790
 neighborhood was it was

1603
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:46,400
 quiet. It was far away from major roads. It

1604
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,400
 appeared peaceful away from commercial

1605
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,620
 buildings, traffic. I picked this neighborhood

1606
01:25:52,620 --> 01:25:53,910
 because it appeared to be a

1607
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:56,260
 good location to stay for the long-term and

1608
01:25:56,260 --> 01:25:59,980
 raised family. Fast forward probably

1609
01:25:59,980 --> 01:26:03,410
 about a year or two after that. I was probably, I

1610
01:26:03,410 --> 01:26:04,560
 think at the time there's

1611
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,660
 probably only four houses that were actually up,

1612
01:26:07,660 --> 01:26:11,040
 and I was one of the four.

1613
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,830
 And then shortly as the other houses were being

1614
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:15,170
 built,

1615
01:26:15,170 --> 01:26:16,940
 I realized that there was a church being built

1616
01:26:16,940 --> 01:26:19,270
 down the street.

1617
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:21,810
 And of all the statements I've heard tonight,

1618
01:26:21,810 --> 01:26:23,680
 there's concern about the development property,

1619
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:29,190
 but in combination with the existing church,

1620
01:26:29,190 --> 01:26:31,110
 I think we have to look at the totality of it,

1621
01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:35,150
 because this neighborhood area is no longer

1622
01:26:35,150 --> 01:26:37,140
 has the character of the neighborhood

1623
01:26:37,140 --> 01:26:41,170
 that I originally moved into.

1624
01:26:41,170 --> 01:26:43,680
 We're looking at a large church

1625
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:45,870
 that already has an abundance of vehicle traffic,

1626
01:26:45,870 --> 01:26:48,460
 pedestrian traffic, and in a way,

1627
01:26:48,460 --> 01:26:50,280
 they've actually contributed positively to the

1628
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:50,750
 neighborhood.

1629
01:26:50,750 --> 01:26:57,030
 But the traffic in combination with the proposal

1630
01:26:57,030 --> 01:27:03,170
 is changing the character of the neighborhood.

1631
01:27:03,170 --> 01:27:04,890
 And what I believe was intended

1632
01:27:04,890 --> 01:27:07,620
 to be a low density residential neighborhood.

1633
01:27:07,620 --> 01:27:09,680
 I'm hopeful that city council was gonna do the

1634
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:09,900
 best

1635
01:27:09,900 --> 01:27:11,280
 to maintain the character of the neighborhood.

1636
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,450
 I don't see that happening.

1637
01:27:13,450 --> 01:27:17,790
 If the proposal goes through as is,

1638
01:27:17,790 --> 01:27:20,580
 I recognize that it's private property,

1639
01:27:20,580 --> 01:27:22,560
 being a resident for 20 years in the area,

1640
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:26,860
 we always had concerns or thoughts

1641
01:27:26,860 --> 01:27:30,670
 as to what might be built back there.

1642
01:27:30,670 --> 01:27:35,450
 We went through the 2019 decision of council

1643
01:27:35,450 --> 01:27:38,020
 to allow, I believe there's three stories at the

1644
01:27:38,020 --> 01:27:38,710
 time.

1645
01:27:38,710 --> 01:27:43,420
 My concern is multiple concerns.

1646
01:27:43,420 --> 01:27:46,940
 one for myself as an individual, secondly,

1647
01:27:46,940 --> 01:27:52,910
 for my neighbors and what they may have to endure

1648
01:27:52,910 --> 01:27:57,790
 or worry about with this development coming

1649
01:27:57,790 --> 01:27:59,110
 through.

1650
01:27:59,110 --> 01:28:01,090
 We've talked about drainage, we've talked about

1651
01:28:01,090 --> 01:28:01,370
 noise,

1652
01:28:01,370 --> 01:28:04,990
 we've talked about excess traffic,

1653
01:28:04,990 --> 01:28:08,070
 but as my neighbor Jen already conveyed,

1654
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:10,350
 it's a residential neighborhood

1655
01:28:10,350 --> 01:28:13,970
 that is looking like it's gonna be commercialized

1656
01:28:13,970 --> 01:28:15,040
.

1657
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:19,570
 I hope that council recognizes that the proposals

1658
01:28:19,570 --> 01:28:22,420
 are going to be dramatic changes to the

1659
01:28:22,420 --> 01:28:23,110
 neighborhood

1660
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:25,790
 if they go through.

1661
01:28:25,790 --> 01:28:28,750
 I recognize that there's a need for residential,

1662
01:28:28,750 --> 01:28:32,850
 an increase in residential neighborhoods.

1663
01:28:32,850 --> 01:28:36,190
 One of the other neighbors already mentioned.

1664
01:28:36,190 --> 01:28:39,270
 I think it's more of a concern with affordability

1665
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:41,840
 than availability.

1666
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:44,000
 With that, I will leave it to Council

1667
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,040
 to make their determination as to what our

1668
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:46,470
 neighborhood

1669
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:49,340
 will look like in the future.

1670
01:28:49,340 --> 01:28:51,740
 - Thank you.

1671
01:28:51,740 --> 01:28:53,740
 I'll go to Laura.

1672
01:28:53,740 --> 01:28:59,640
 Laura, can you hear me?

1673
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:02,740
 Laura?

1674
01:29:02,740 --> 01:29:03,540
 - Hi.

1675
01:29:03,540 --> 01:29:05,140
 - Let me see it.

1676
01:29:05,140 --> 01:29:08,370
 - Hi, you have five minutes, please go ahead.

1677
01:29:08,370 --> 01:29:12,890
 - Okay, so I will make my statement pretty quick

1678
01:29:12,890 --> 01:29:14,220
 'cause I'm here with my two kids

1679
01:29:14,220 --> 01:29:17,330
 looking at a little mouse outside her house.

1680
01:29:17,330 --> 01:29:18,100
 (laughs)

1681
01:29:18,100 --> 01:29:19,760
 - Okay.

1682
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,880
 - Yes, there's a mouse.

1683
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,130
 Not great, but here we are.

1684
01:29:24,130 --> 01:29:27,230
 So I've lived on Cherrywood Trail for over a

1685
01:29:27,230 --> 01:29:28,230
 decade.

1686
01:29:28,230 --> 01:29:31,030
 My husband, my now husband and I bought this home

1687
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:33,480
 because we thought it was a great place

1688
01:29:33,480 --> 01:29:36,020
 to raise our children.

1689
01:29:36,020 --> 01:29:38,130
 And we loved it here.

1690
01:29:38,130 --> 01:29:41,730
 It has gone busier over the last 10 years.

1691
01:29:41,730 --> 01:29:44,940
 We've seen a great increase in foot traffic.

1692
01:29:44,940 --> 01:29:46,040
 When we first moved here,

1693
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,040
 everyone we bumped into on chair would trail

1694
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:49,210
 would know.

1695
01:29:49,210 --> 01:29:51,790
 But now because of the developments around us,

1696
01:29:51,790 --> 01:29:54,880
 there's a lot more pedestrian traffic.

1697
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,300
 So there's people coming up from Beaverbrook

1698
01:29:57,300 --> 01:30:00,530
 to go to the Tim Hortons and developments at Hyde

1699
01:30:00,530 --> 01:30:00,910
 Park

1700
01:30:00,910 --> 01:30:02,650
 and Sarnia.

1701
01:30:02,650 --> 01:30:05,220
 there's grocery stores there now as well.

1702
01:30:05,220 --> 01:30:08,720
 So we see a lot more pedestrian traffic

1703
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,720
 through the neighborhood, through bluegrass,

1704
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:15,480
 kids, seniors as well, it's a vulnerable

1705
01:30:15,480 --> 01:30:16,100
 population.

1706
01:30:16,100 --> 01:30:18,590
 And we see a lot more foot traffic on Sarnia

1707
01:30:18,590 --> 01:30:20,700
 because when we first moved here there was a

1708
01:30:20,700 --> 01:30:21,240
 bridge

1709
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:23,820
 and only one car could pass at a time.

1710
01:30:23,820 --> 01:30:28,140
 So just to keep this, sorry Nikki.

1711
01:30:28,140 --> 01:30:29,570
 So just to kind of wrap this up,

1712
01:30:29,570 --> 01:30:31,500
 I just wanted to speak specifically to the

1713
01:30:31,500 --> 01:30:32,270
 traffic issues

1714
01:30:32,270 --> 01:30:35,360
 parking I see on Cherrywood in bluegrass today

1715
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,070
 and my concern is how it will

1716
01:30:37,070 --> 01:30:41,230
 worsen over time with an increased with this new

1717
01:30:41,230 --> 01:30:43,390
 proposal that is much more

1718
01:30:43,390 --> 01:30:49,520
 like increase in terms of scale. So what I see

1719
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:52,160
 today is every Sunday I do see

1720
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,260
 traffic problems on bluegrass which I think of

1721
01:30:54,260 --> 01:30:55,720
 which have already been addressed

1722
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:59,460
 but at times you can't even pass. Sometimes you

1723
01:30:59,460 --> 01:31:00,650
're head-to-head with

1724
01:31:00,650 --> 01:31:03,480
 another car, and that's not safe because one car

1725
01:31:03,480 --> 01:31:03,870
 will have to

1726
01:31:03,870 --> 01:31:06,720
 obviously reverse on a street in which you really

1727
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:07,210
 shouldn't be

1728
01:31:07,210 --> 01:31:10,560
 doing that. There's also a lot of vulnerable

1729
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:11,780
 people attending,

1730
01:31:11,780 --> 01:31:13,640
 like there's families and everything. So young

1731
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:14,300
 children

1732
01:31:14,300 --> 01:31:17,250
 elderly attending the church, and it's such a

1733
01:31:17,250 --> 01:31:18,400
 busy place as it

1734
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,150
 is. The other issue I see is with the Greek

1735
01:31:21,150 --> 01:31:22,060
 Canadian Center,

1736
01:31:22,060 --> 01:31:25,900
 they use these streets as overflow traffic. And

1737
01:31:25,900 --> 01:31:26,860
 again, at

1738
01:31:26,860 --> 01:31:31,060
 times on Sherrywood Gate, even this little gate,

1739
01:31:31,060 --> 01:31:33,730
 and on Sherrywood Trail that connects Sarnia to

1740
01:31:33,730 --> 01:31:34,830
 bluegrass.

1741
01:31:34,830 --> 01:31:35,750
 Sorry, Nikki.

1742
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:38,410
 Here, you want some of the most?

1743
01:31:38,410 --> 01:31:41,830
 There's been times where only one car can pass,

1744
01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:43,440
 and that's not safe.

1745
01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:45,910
 And so my concern is with the increased traffic.

1746
01:31:45,910 --> 01:31:47,920
 Yes, I see.

1747
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:52,260
 From this facility, we could really create

1748
01:31:52,260 --> 01:31:54,780
 a more dangerous situation that,

1749
01:31:54,780 --> 01:31:56,550
 and compound what we're already seeing today.

1750
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:59,340
 So I'm just going to wrap this up because I feel

1751
01:31:59,340 --> 01:32:02,040
 like I'm kind of ignoring Nicholas here.

1752
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:05,350
 So thanks for your time and thanks to everyone

1753
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:06,240
 that's come out.

1754
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:10,280
 And thank you, Steve, and everyone on the council

1755
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,050
 for listening to us today.

1756
01:32:12,050 --> 01:32:13,420
 So thanks.

1757
01:32:13,420 --> 01:32:16,500
 Thanks, Laura.

1758
01:32:16,500 --> 01:32:19,100
 And thanks, Nicholas, and you're sibling there

1759
01:32:19,100 --> 01:32:20,830
 for participating.

1760
01:32:20,830 --> 01:32:24,530
 I'll go to the next speaker, Lamont Robinson.

1761
01:32:24,530 --> 01:32:28,360
 Can you hear me?

1762
01:32:32,340 --> 01:32:49,350
 - A little on, one more time, Lon Robinson.

1763
01:32:49,350 --> 01:32:50,590
 Okay, one last chance.

1764
01:32:50,590 --> 01:32:52,490
 I think that's the list.

1765
01:32:52,490 --> 01:32:55,930
 That's it for the list of speakers online.

1766
01:32:55,930 --> 01:32:59,870
 I'm not hearing from Lon Robinson,

1767
01:32:59,870 --> 01:33:01,950
 so we'll have to let it go at that.

1768
01:33:01,950 --> 01:33:03,860
 Okay, I'll look for anyone else

1769
01:33:03,860 --> 01:33:06,260
 who would like to speak in the gallery.

1770
01:33:06,260 --> 01:33:08,040
 I'll see him in the microphone.

1771
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:10,160
 So I'll look for our motion to close the PPM,

1772
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:13,050
 Councilor Cuddy, seconded by Councilor Hillier,

1773
01:33:13,050 --> 01:33:24,810
 and we'll vote on that.

1774
01:33:24,810 --> 01:33:26,890
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries five to

1775
01:33:26,890 --> 01:33:27,850
 zero.

1776
01:33:27,850 --> 01:33:29,360
 - Okay, I'll put this on the floor for our

1777
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:30,630
 committee.

1778
01:33:30,630 --> 01:33:32,030
 - Councillor Cudi.

1779
01:33:32,030 --> 01:33:32,820
 - Thank you, Chair.

1780
01:33:32,820 --> 01:33:34,340
 I'll move the staff recommendation.

1781
01:33:34,340 --> 01:33:36,150
 I'll look for a seconder.

1782
01:33:36,150 --> 01:33:37,480
 Councillor Hill here is in the case.

1783
01:33:37,480 --> 01:33:38,290
 Here we'll second.

1784
01:33:38,290 --> 01:33:41,790
 So I'll look for speakers on this.

1785
01:33:41,790 --> 01:33:43,970
 Councillor Cudi.

1786
01:33:43,970 --> 01:33:44,870
 - Thank you, Chair, and through you.

1787
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:46,310
 And I want to thank all the residents

1788
01:33:46,310 --> 01:33:48,650
 for coming today and speaking.

1789
01:33:48,650 --> 01:33:49,670
 - And I also want to speak.

1790
01:33:49,670 --> 01:33:51,670
 Thank everyone who was online.

1791
01:33:51,670 --> 01:33:53,430
 I don't think I've ever heard that many people

1792
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:54,210
 online before.

1793
01:33:54,210 --> 01:33:56,490
 And, you know, community and engagement

1794
01:33:56,490 --> 01:33:59,050
 is what this is all about, right?

1795
01:33:59,050 --> 01:34:00,470
 But coming and telling us what you think,

1796
01:34:00,470 --> 01:34:06,090
 and in your opinions, you know,

1797
01:34:06,090 --> 01:34:10,690
 I have a lot of student residences in my ward,

1798
01:34:10,690 --> 01:34:13,980
 and this is not a student residence.

1799
01:34:13,980 --> 01:34:17,750
 This is a long-term care home facility,

1800
01:34:17,750 --> 01:34:23,970
 and there's a big difference, as we all know.

1801
01:34:23,970 --> 01:34:25,930
 I have also have a long-term care facility

1802
01:34:25,930 --> 01:34:28,010
 in my ward called Henley Place.

1803
01:34:28,010 --> 01:34:30,720
 It's just off Cedar Hollow,

1804
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:33,060
 and it's a wonderful facility,

1805
01:34:33,060 --> 01:34:35,290
 and the residents and the neighbors all get along

1806
01:34:35,290 --> 01:34:36,000
.

1807
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:37,650
 From what I can see, they all get along.

1808
01:34:37,650 --> 01:34:39,220
 There's cooperation.

1809
01:34:39,220 --> 01:34:42,420
 They take pristine care of the gardens

1810
01:34:42,420 --> 01:34:46,750
 and of the area around Henley Place,

1811
01:34:46,750 --> 01:34:49,940
 and the residents appreciate that.

1812
01:34:49,940 --> 01:34:54,760
 And they don't have an abundance of green space

1813
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:56,180
 to walk,

1814
01:34:56,180 --> 01:34:59,070
 but they make the best of what they do.

1815
01:34:59,070 --> 01:35:02,120
 And it's a great collaboration between residents,

1816
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:04,440
 residential and long-term care.

1817
01:35:04,440 --> 01:35:07,360
 And I think you'll see the same

1818
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:10,780
 with the facility that's being proposed here.

1819
01:35:10,780 --> 01:35:14,840
 I did hear some concerns about flood plains,

1820
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:16,650
 And I want you to know, I'm on the Upper Thames

1821
01:35:16,650 --> 01:35:17,790
 Conservation Authority Board.

1822
01:35:17,790 --> 01:35:19,480
 And if there was an issue with the flood plans or

1823
01:35:19,480 --> 01:35:20,830
 if there was concern,

1824
01:35:20,830 --> 01:35:23,040
 we wouldn't be at this stage right now.

1825
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:26,600
 And I could defer to the planning department and

1826
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:30,200
 they'd probably confirm what I've just told you.

1827
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:33,670
 I did have some issues with the four stories, but

1828
01:35:33,670 --> 01:35:36,110
 after looking what the planning department has

1829
01:35:36,110 --> 01:35:36,740
 recommended,

1830
01:35:36,740 --> 01:35:39,180
 I think it's workable.

1831
01:35:39,180 --> 01:35:44,080
 And I think this is something that's going to be

1832
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:48,240
 a real contribution to your area in the long term

1833
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:49,250
.

1834
01:35:49,250 --> 01:35:51,310
 And again, it's not a student residence.

1835
01:35:51,310 --> 01:35:52,530
 It's a long-term care facility,

1836
01:35:52,530 --> 01:35:53,910
 and I think that's what's really important.

1837
01:35:53,910 --> 01:35:55,960
 You're not gonna have parties and so on going on

1838
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:57,630
 like that.

1839
01:35:57,630 --> 01:36:01,360
 I do think this is going to be a real benefit

1840
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:04,190
 in the end, because you'll know what you'll have

1841
01:36:04,190 --> 01:36:05,380
 there.

1842
01:36:05,380 --> 01:36:06,620
 And you'll have, I think you're gonna have

1843
01:36:06,620 --> 01:36:08,020
 quite a nice facility.

1844
01:36:08,020 --> 01:36:10,670
 So that's all I have to say, Chair.

1845
01:36:10,670 --> 01:36:13,700
 I'll be supporting this, thank you.

1846
01:36:13,700 --> 01:36:15,440
 - Okay, Councilor, you did raise the issue

1847
01:36:15,440 --> 01:36:18,100
 of some water issues, and it was a couple

1848
01:36:18,100 --> 01:36:18,720
 comments

1849
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:22,930
 from the public regarding drainage and water,

1850
01:36:22,930 --> 01:36:25,500
 so I was wondering if staff could comment on that

1851
01:36:25,500 --> 01:36:27,520
.

1852
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:29,610
 - Sure, thank you through the chair.

1853
01:36:29,610 --> 01:36:31,350
 So a stormwater report and grading plan

1854
01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:33,800
 was not required at the zoning stage.

1855
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:35,180
 The detailed engineering design

1856
01:36:35,180 --> 01:36:37,280
 will be provided at site plan.

1857
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:39,200
 Property doesn't have any unusual

1858
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:41,310
 or significant features on site

1859
01:36:41,310 --> 01:36:43,420
 that would make it undevelopable.

1860
01:36:43,420 --> 01:36:45,690
 The property is graded towards the northwest

1861
01:36:45,690 --> 01:36:49,760
 at a slope of about 1.2%, so it's fairly flat.

1862
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:51,990
 As you move west towards Sarnier Road,

1863
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:54,140
 the elevations get lower so the homes

1864
01:36:54,140 --> 01:36:57,170
 that exist on Cherrywood Trail are higher

1865
01:36:57,170 --> 01:36:59,360
 than the properties to the west of that.

1866
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:01,670
 It's a common occurrence being higher

1867
01:37:01,670 --> 01:37:03,470
 than your neighbor in this area.

1868
01:37:03,470 --> 01:37:06,820
 As mentioned, currently storm waters flowing

1869
01:37:06,820 --> 01:37:07,300
 freely

1870
01:37:07,300 --> 01:37:08,570
 towards the northwest.

1871
01:37:08,570 --> 01:37:10,710
 The engineer is required to ensure

1872
01:37:10,710 --> 01:37:12,940
 that all the storm water flows are contained

1873
01:37:12,940 --> 01:37:14,410
 on site and stored.

1874
01:37:14,410 --> 01:37:16,660
 Minor flows and major flows will be directed

1875
01:37:16,660 --> 01:37:17,270
 underground

1876
01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:20,780
 in overland to Bluegrass Drive at a controlled

1877
01:37:20,780 --> 01:37:21,060
 rate.

1878
01:37:21,060 --> 01:37:24,260
 The city does not allow medium density flows

1879
01:37:24,260 --> 01:37:26,830
 to enter single family properties.

1880
01:37:26,830 --> 01:37:28,850
 We see this as an improvement to the area

1881
01:37:28,850 --> 01:37:31,180
 from a stormwater perspective because stormwater

1882
01:37:31,180 --> 01:37:33,460
 that may have been entering the single family

1883
01:37:33,460 --> 01:37:33,840
 homes

1884
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,990
 from 945 Bluegrass in the past

1885
01:37:36,990 --> 01:37:39,590
 will be redirected away from them in post

1886
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:40,990
 development.

1887
01:37:40,990 --> 01:37:42,230
 Thank you. - Thank you.

1888
01:37:42,230 --> 01:37:53,320
 I will go to Deputy Mayor Lewis.

1889
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:54,370
 Deputy Mayor, please go ahead.

1890
01:37:54,370 --> 01:38:00,160
 - Hi, thank you, Chair, and through you,

1891
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,600
 I do wanna say thank you to the resident

1892
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:06,480
 who sent well wishes for a fast recovery.

1893
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:09,310
 I am on the mend, but it is slow going.

1894
01:38:09,310 --> 01:38:13,630
 And I'm trying to be here today as best I can

1895
01:38:13,630 --> 01:38:15,010
 remotely.

1896
01:38:15,010 --> 01:38:16,570
 It's gonna be a few days before I get back to

1897
01:38:16,570 --> 01:38:16,860
 work,

1898
01:38:16,860 --> 01:38:18,840
 but in person at least.

1899
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:25,680
 I do want to just respond to a couple of comments

1900
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:27,780
 'cause I think they're important.

1901
01:38:27,780 --> 01:38:29,410
 I want the residents to know they were hurt,

1902
01:38:29,410 --> 01:38:32,550
 but when it comes to the green space issue,

1903
01:38:32,550 --> 01:38:34,150
 I think it's really important to underscore

1904
01:38:34,150 --> 01:38:37,850
 that this was never designated as green space

1905
01:38:37,850 --> 01:38:38,800
 or city park land.

1906
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:40,770
 It's been in private ownership.

1907
01:38:40,770 --> 01:38:44,070
 It was always slated for development.

1908
01:38:44,070 --> 01:38:45,960
 The parks and recreation master plan

1909
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:48,810
 doesn't identify it as a need in the neighborhood

1910
01:38:48,810 --> 01:38:49,120
.

1911
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:52,640
 There is a need for a Northwest community center.

1912
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,380
 That will be a much bigger build

1913
01:38:55,380 --> 01:38:58,430
 than what would fit on this property.

1914
01:38:58,430 --> 01:39:00,060
 But I do want folks to know that that is

1915
01:39:00,060 --> 01:39:00,400
 something

1916
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:03,640
 that both Councillor Layman and Councillor ramen

1917
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:06,030
 and the mayor have been talking about,

1918
01:39:06,030 --> 01:39:08,190
 we need some federal funding to help that build.

1919
01:39:08,190 --> 01:39:10,890
 We have some money set aside for one,

1920
01:39:10,890 --> 01:39:12,590
 but it's gonna need to be on a bigger piece of

1921
01:39:12,590 --> 01:39:12,880
 land

1922
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,100
 than what is available here

1923
01:39:15,100 --> 01:39:17,270
 to provide all the amenities necessary.

1924
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:20,430
 So I did wanna share that the Northwest Community

1925
01:39:20,430 --> 01:39:20,670
 Center

1926
01:39:20,670 --> 01:39:22,970
 continues to be on our radar, we are working on

1927
01:39:22,970 --> 01:39:23,850
 it.

1928
01:39:23,850 --> 01:39:27,820
 I appreciate staff's comments on the storm water.

1929
01:39:27,820 --> 01:39:30,560
 I was gonna mention as well that normally,

1930
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:33,640
 The details, the storm water management details

1931
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:34,830
 get worked out in site plan,

1932
01:39:34,830 --> 01:39:36,490
 but staff do have an excellent overview

1933
01:39:36,490 --> 01:39:38,350
 of what they've done in their planning evaluation

1934
01:39:38,350 --> 01:39:38,830
 so far.

1935
01:39:38,830 --> 01:39:42,950
 So I won't spend any time on that.

1936
01:39:42,950 --> 01:39:48,560
 I certainly hear, and we hear it everywhere,

1937
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:51,560
 concerns about traffic increasing across the city

1938
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:51,780
,

1939
01:39:51,780 --> 01:39:53,490
 and that's why we've been working

1940
01:39:53,490 --> 01:39:55,390
 on a master mobility plan.

1941
01:39:55,390 --> 01:39:58,490
 It's also why, and I heard a resident comment

1942
01:39:58,490 --> 01:40:03,760
 on the left hand turn not being long enough

1943
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:05,160
 at one of the major intersections,

1944
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:07,620
 And that's something certainly that I know Coun

1945
01:40:07,620 --> 01:40:08,140
cillor Layman

1946
01:40:08,140 --> 01:40:10,810
 can talk to traffic to transportation staff

1947
01:40:10,810 --> 01:40:13,510
 and see if the timing needs to be changed.

1948
01:40:13,510 --> 01:40:15,070
 I've had a couple of those in my ward

1949
01:40:15,070 --> 01:40:16,570
 where I've gone to them and said,

1950
01:40:16,570 --> 01:40:17,850
 "Can you review the timing?"

1951
01:40:17,850 --> 01:40:19,540
 I think with some of the new developments,

1952
01:40:19,540 --> 01:40:21,790
 we need a longer turn signal.

1953
01:40:21,790 --> 01:40:24,060
 And that in fact has happened.

1954
01:40:24,060 --> 01:40:26,020
 They've adjusted the timing so that more cars can

1955
01:40:26,020 --> 01:40:27,330
 get through.

1956
01:40:27,330 --> 01:40:29,750
 So that is certainly something to address

1957
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:33,260
 in terms of the wider traffic,

1958
01:40:33,260 --> 01:40:36,470
 but it's not reflected in the planning decision

1959
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:38,530
 have to make and we have to stick within the

1960
01:40:38,530 --> 01:40:42,150
 Planning Act and the London Plan and the ZBA,

1961
01:40:42,150 --> 01:40:44,210
 sorry, the zoning by-law, try not to get into

1962
01:40:44,210 --> 01:40:48,310
 acronyms. And so when we've got the traffic

1963
01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:50,920
 impact assessment and staff have said there's no

1964
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:53,320
 particular concerns and that some of the school

1965
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:56,340
 zone concerns can be addressed locally through

1966
01:40:56,340 --> 01:40:58,590
 traffic calming and other appropriate measures.

1967
01:40:58,590 --> 01:41:02,270
 I can't say no based on a traffic concern. So I

1968
01:41:02,270 --> 01:41:06,710
 will be supporting this file, but I did hear

1969
01:41:06,710 --> 01:41:09,400
 the concerns. I want residents to know that.

1970
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:11,840
 Think staff did a great job just now talking

1971
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:15,370
 about the stormwater management piece. And for me

1972
01:41:15,370 --> 01:41:17,820
, I really wanted to highlight the fact that

1973
01:41:17,820 --> 01:41:21,300
 while I recognize you've been using it as green

1974
01:41:21,300 --> 01:41:23,090
 space and that will be lost,

1975
01:41:23,090 --> 01:41:26,010
 it wasn't green space that the city can give you,

1976
01:41:26,010 --> 01:41:28,890
 but it is something where we recognize that

1977
01:41:28,890 --> 01:41:32,200
 community-centered need with some good open space

1978
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:35,080
 on the community-centered building location

1979
01:41:36,020 --> 01:41:39,090
 is necessary so i'm going to leave my comments at

1980
01:41:39,090 --> 01:41:42,990
 that thank all the speakers um but i i have to

1981
01:41:42,990 --> 01:41:46,730
 support staff's recommendation here thank you i

1982
01:41:46,730 --> 01:41:49,400
'll go to council preble thank you chair i just

1983
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:52,290
 have some comments if you can actually provide me

1984
01:41:52,290 --> 01:41:55,520
 staff comments what was heard from the gallery

1985
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:58,330
 from the representative from the neighborhood

1986
01:41:58,330 --> 01:42:00,580
 association it's stated that there were

1987
01:42:00,580 --> 01:42:01,090
 incomplete

1988
01:42:01,090 --> 01:42:04,430
 parts of the submission as sure stormwater has

1989
01:42:04,430 --> 01:42:07,050
 been already discussed i'm just going to go one

1990
01:42:07,050 --> 01:42:09,700
 by one by if you can just comment for that please

1991
01:42:09,700 --> 01:42:13,850
 noise study. I'll go staff. Through

1992
01:42:13,850 --> 01:42:16,150
 the chair noise study was submitted as part of

1993
01:42:16,150 --> 01:42:17,550
 this application. The noise

1994
01:42:17,550 --> 01:42:20,460
 studies are typically only reviewing noise impact

1995
01:42:20,460 --> 01:42:22,290
 from the roadway. We have

1996
01:42:22,290 --> 01:42:24,980
 included a direction to site plan to kind of

1997
01:42:24,980 --> 01:42:27,220
 update the noise study to look at

1998
01:42:27,220 --> 01:42:29,870
 mitigation measures from the rooftop mechanical

1999
01:42:29,870 --> 01:42:31,200
 equipment based on feedback

2000
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:35,260
 from the public. Thank you transportation study

2001
01:42:35,260 --> 01:42:37,090
 not including emergency

2002
01:42:37,090 --> 01:42:42,870
 vehicles go staff. Thank you through the chair.

2003
01:42:42,870 --> 01:42:44,900
 We actually have a Sadhu

2004
01:42:44,900 --> 01:42:48,200
 Spani online. He's the transportation manager so

2005
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:49,620
 I'll pass it to him. Thank

2006
01:42:49,620 --> 01:42:53,980
 you. Please go ahead. Thank you through the chair

2007
01:42:53,980 --> 01:42:55,890
. My name is Sadhu

2008
01:42:55,890 --> 01:43:00,550
 Spani. As part of the zoning application so we

2009
01:43:00,550 --> 01:43:01,820
 don't have any issue on the

2010
01:43:01,820 --> 01:43:04,020
 application but however there are some details

2011
01:43:04,020 --> 01:43:05,610
 missing from the traffic report.

2012
01:43:05,610 --> 01:43:09,420
 Yeah we will definitely be asking the traffic

2013
01:43:09,420 --> 01:43:11,110
 consultant to provide all

2014
01:43:11,110 --> 01:43:14,030
 detailed information and addressing all the

2015
01:43:14,030 --> 01:43:15,970
 possible issues, like for example,

2016
01:43:15,970 --> 01:43:20,200
 any traffic flow mitigation measures and any

2017
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:23,070
 emergency vehicle arrival and safety for the

2018
01:43:23,070 --> 01:43:25,410
 pedestrians and so on, as at the site planning

2019
01:43:25,410 --> 01:43:30,110
 stage. Councillor. Thank you. No shadow study.

2020
01:43:30,110 --> 01:43:34,410
 Go staff. Through the chair, in accordance with

2021
01:43:34,410 --> 01:43:36,530
 the urban design brief terms of reference,

2022
01:43:36,530 --> 01:43:38,430
 a shadow study is only required for buildings

2023
01:43:38,430 --> 01:43:40,410
 when they exceed nine stories in height.

2024
01:43:40,410 --> 01:43:42,430
 As the proposal was for four stories, a shadow

2025
01:43:42,430 --> 01:43:43,590
 study was not required.

2026
01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:47,500
 Councilor thank you and last comment that was

2027
01:43:47,500 --> 01:43:49,930
 made it's non-conforming to the legislative

2028
01:43:49,930 --> 01:43:51,070
 requirements

2029
01:43:51,070 --> 01:43:53,330
 Can you provide me any feedback and I don't know

2030
01:43:53,330 --> 01:43:53,950
 more details?

2031
01:43:53,950 --> 01:43:55,950
 I just heard this from the gallery if there is

2032
01:43:55,950 --> 01:43:59,940
 any feedback the staff could provide. Thank you

2033
01:43:59,940 --> 01:44:03,390
 I'll go to staff through the chair

2034
01:44:03,390 --> 01:44:05,410
 I believe this is in relation to the current

2035
01:44:05,410 --> 01:44:07,650
 zoning on site in London plan through staff's

2036
01:44:07,650 --> 01:44:08,970
 review of the application

2037
01:44:08,970 --> 01:44:11,080
 We do believe that it's in conformity with the

2038
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:13,880
 London plan and the zoning bylaw Councilor

2039
01:44:14,050 --> 01:44:17,240
 Thank you for your only answer still this whole

2040
01:44:17,240 --> 01:44:19,710
 mile all on my list. Thank you chair. Thank you

2041
01:44:19,710 --> 01:44:21,410
 I'll look for other

2042
01:44:21,410 --> 01:44:23,760
 Councillors of the committee or visiting Councill

2043
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:30,210
ors seeing none. Oh, okay

2044
01:44:30,210 --> 01:44:33,460
 Councilor ramen, please go ahead and thank you

2045
01:44:33,460 --> 01:44:35,760
 and through you. I think Councillor Trassa and I

2046
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:37,470
 were trying to decide who was going to go first

2047
01:44:37,470 --> 01:44:37,760
 there

2048
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:41,210
 So I want to just take a moment to

2049
01:44:41,210 --> 01:44:43,830
 Thank the residents that have come out today to

2050
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:45,000
 speak on this application

2051
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:47,890
 I

2052
01:44:47,890 --> 01:44:49,820
 represent the ward across

2053
01:44:50,850 --> 01:44:54,910
 and so I understand this area and spend a lot of

2054
01:44:54,910 --> 01:44:56,360
 time at Gateway Church as well so

2055
01:44:56,360 --> 01:45:00,700
 appreciate hearing from you on on this matter. I

2056
01:45:00,700 --> 01:45:05,460
'm wondering if I can through you ask staff.

2057
01:45:05,460 --> 01:45:10,710
 So the area as far as I understand the allowable

2058
01:45:10,710 --> 01:45:14,240
 height was three stories and the applicants

2059
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:14,720
 asking

2060
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:18,000
 for four and I'm just wondering if there were any

2061
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:20,920
 considerations by the applicant for less

2062
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:27,380
 stories. I'll go stuff. Through the chair, I'm

2063
01:45:27,380 --> 01:45:29,940
 going to defer that to the applicant themselves

2064
01:45:29,940 --> 01:45:33,770
 for the decrease type. I'll go to the applicant.

2065
01:45:33,770 --> 01:45:40,790
 Can you hear me? Oh, sorry about that. It's Matt

2066
01:45:40,790 --> 01:45:42,860
 Campbell here from Zalenka, Priyammo. We did look

2067
01:45:42,860 --> 01:45:44,930
 at a three-story building, but unfortunately the

2068
01:45:44,930 --> 01:45:47,580
 economics of a project of this nature is necess

2069
01:45:47,580 --> 01:45:50,110
itating a little bit more building area. So there

2070
01:45:50,110 --> 01:45:50,420
 can be

2071
01:45:50,420 --> 01:45:53,840
 more long-term care beds in the building. And so

2072
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:57,110
 the economics of it really are being driven or

2073
01:45:57,110 --> 01:45:59,770
 driving that or story height.

2074
01:45:59,770 --> 01:46:02,490
 We do have the owner's representative here.

2075
01:46:02,490 --> 01:46:06,360
 We might be able to ask that question a different

2076
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:06,660
 way

2077
01:46:06,660 --> 01:46:08,500
 if the committee is looking for more detailed

2078
01:46:08,500 --> 01:46:09,620
 information.

2079
01:46:09,620 --> 01:46:10,410
 - Thank you.

2080
01:46:10,410 --> 01:46:12,390
 We'll go back to the councilor.

2081
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:13,380
 - Thank you and through you.

2082
01:46:13,380 --> 01:46:15,160
 I'd really appreciate more detailed answers

2083
01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:17,420
 that would be greatly appreciated.

2084
01:46:17,420 --> 01:46:20,900
 Maybe on the economic side of the argument,

2085
01:46:20,900 --> 01:46:24,250
 could you give us a ballpark of what a unit

2086
01:46:24,250 --> 01:46:30,490
 like this would go for?

2087
01:46:30,490 --> 01:46:32,710
 - Please go ahead.

2088
01:46:32,710 --> 01:46:35,310
 - Sure, and I'll try to explain the best I can

2089
01:46:35,310 --> 01:46:37,930
 and feel free to ask me for any further clar

2090
01:46:37,930 --> 01:46:38,860
ifications.

2091
01:46:38,860 --> 01:46:42,710
 But essentially, the funding for long-term care

2092
01:46:42,710 --> 01:46:43,120
 homes,

2093
01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:45,770
 most of it for redeveloping a home

2094
01:46:45,770 --> 01:46:47,460
 or developing a long-term care home

2095
01:46:47,460 --> 01:46:50,080
 is given by the province.

2096
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:53,250
 There's not a whole lot there

2097
01:46:53,250 --> 01:46:56,070
 from the economics of operating a long-term care

2098
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:56,300
 home.

2099
01:46:56,300 --> 01:46:59,620
 So about 85% of our ability to construct

2100
01:46:59,620 --> 01:47:02,730
 is provided by the province itself.

2101
01:47:02,730 --> 01:47:05,530
 And that funding formula changes

2102
01:47:05,530 --> 01:47:07,210
 depending on the areas you're in,

2103
01:47:07,210 --> 01:47:10,560
 but the province is divided into four separate

2104
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:11,430
 areas.

2105
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:14,900
 We fall into the southwestern area of that

2106
01:47:14,900 --> 01:47:15,300
 funding,

2107
01:47:15,300 --> 01:47:17,250
 which basically covers everywhere

2108
01:47:17,250 --> 01:47:21,960
 other than very northern remote Ontario

2109
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:25,860
 or the GTA, including Hamilton.

2110
01:47:25,860 --> 01:47:28,220
 So the funding is exactly the same

2111
01:47:28,220 --> 01:47:30,170
 no matter if we're building in London

2112
01:47:30,170 --> 01:47:31,840
 or if we're building in Elmer.

2113
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:33,200
 the funding remains the same.

2114
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:37,260
 So for us, it's getting the scale of that

2115
01:47:37,260 --> 01:47:38,210
 development up

2116
01:47:38,210 --> 01:47:41,260
 to be able to afford the underlying land.

2117
01:47:41,260 --> 01:47:47,030
 So the purchasing of the land all ties into our

2118
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:47,900
 ability

2119
01:47:47,900 --> 01:47:48,880
 to develop.

2120
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:50,510
 So once that's developed, then we'll

2121
01:47:50,510 --> 01:47:52,210
 get the funding from the province

2122
01:47:52,210 --> 01:47:55,730
 to cover the cost of the underlying land.

2123
01:47:55,730 --> 01:48:00,970
 OK, sir, sir, you can have to keep quiet, OK?

2124
01:48:00,970 --> 01:48:04,040
 We had the time to listen to yourself and others

2125
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:06,980
 And now it's time for others to speak.

2126
01:48:06,980 --> 01:48:09,470
 Go ahead, Councilor.

2127
01:48:09,470 --> 01:48:10,550
 - Thank you and through you.

2128
01:48:10,550 --> 01:48:13,190
 And I really appreciate the answer to the

2129
01:48:13,190 --> 01:48:13,490
 question.

2130
01:48:13,490 --> 01:48:16,480
 Sorry, just to better help my understanding

2131
01:48:16,480 --> 01:48:16,990
 though.

2132
01:48:16,990 --> 01:48:19,290
 So what you're saying is the pro forma,

2133
01:48:19,290 --> 01:48:21,480
 the cost basis for this doesn't work

2134
01:48:21,480 --> 01:48:23,870
 because of provincial funding at three floors,

2135
01:48:23,870 --> 01:48:26,630
 but it would work at four.

2136
01:48:26,630 --> 01:48:28,680
 - Yeah, that's correct.

2137
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:29,510
 Go ahead, Councilor.

2138
01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:30,740
 - Thank you.

2139
01:48:30,740 --> 01:48:34,020
 And the apartment though is a private venture.

2140
01:48:34,020 --> 01:48:37,760
 it's for profit only.

2141
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:41,180
 - Yep, yep, that's correct.

2142
01:48:41,180 --> 01:48:43,550
 So for us, same thing on the apartment side,

2143
01:48:43,550 --> 01:48:44,930
 it's the ability to get the scale

2144
01:48:44,930 --> 01:48:46,430
 so that those units are affordable

2145
01:48:46,430 --> 01:48:48,970
 for the residents that live there.

2146
01:48:48,970 --> 01:48:50,770
 - Councillor.

2147
01:48:50,770 --> 01:48:52,480
 - Thank you, and through you, sorry, just to

2148
01:48:52,480 --> 01:48:53,010
 clarify,

2149
01:48:53,010 --> 01:48:56,640
 so your definition of affordable?

2150
01:48:56,640 --> 01:49:00,000
 - Sorry, my definition of affordable would be,

2151
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:04,090
 we'd be basically around market rent for that

2152
01:49:04,090 --> 01:49:05,060
 area,

2153
01:49:05,500 --> 01:49:08,220
 plus or minus the services that we typically add

2154
01:49:08,220 --> 01:49:08,370
 on.

2155
01:49:08,370 --> 01:49:11,400
 So most of our seniors' apartments are designed

2156
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:15,370
 with added services to support seniors as they're

2157
01:49:15,370 --> 01:49:15,860
 aging

2158
01:49:15,860 --> 01:49:18,930
 and provides that continuum of care on that site

2159
01:49:18,930 --> 01:49:22,160
 from more independent in the seniors' apartments

2160
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:25,900
 and then transitioning to that higher level of

2161
01:49:25,900 --> 01:49:26,420
 care,

2162
01:49:26,420 --> 01:49:29,170
 which typically flows to a retirement home.

2163
01:49:29,170 --> 01:49:34,130
 Now, residents can still access care services

2164
01:49:34,130 --> 01:49:35,680
 like they would in their own home there

2165
01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:38,930
 for it their care needs increased to where they

2166
01:49:38,930 --> 01:49:39,830
 would need long-term care

2167
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:44,200
 Councilor. Thank you through you maybe to staff

2168
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:46,810
 so mind your standing read the

2169
01:49:46,810 --> 01:49:48,730
 application these are apartments they're not

2170
01:49:48,730 --> 01:49:50,140
 senior designated apartments

2171
01:49:50,140 --> 01:49:54,250
 there's nothing within the application that

2172
01:49:54,250 --> 01:49:57,300
 specifies that these are specific

2173
01:49:57,300 --> 01:50:00,840
 to a targeted audience nor does it say anything

2174
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:02,800
 really about market rent.

2175
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:07,350
 - I'll go to staff.

2176
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:09,730
 - Right, thank you through the chair.

2177
01:50:09,730 --> 01:50:11,300
 The application is to permit an apartment

2178
01:50:11,300 --> 01:50:11,710
 building.

2179
01:50:11,710 --> 01:50:14,200
 We zone per land uses, not users.

2180
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:18,800
 So there's no specific demographic

2181
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:20,400
 that this would be zoned for.

2182
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:22,370
 It's just an apartment building.

2183
01:50:22,370 --> 01:50:25,170
 And to our knowledge, we're reviewing this

2184
01:50:25,170 --> 01:50:29,730
 as an apartment building, no affordability

2185
01:50:29,730 --> 01:50:30,860
 taken into consideration.

2186
01:50:30,860 --> 01:50:33,130
 Again, we're reviewing for land use.

2187
01:50:33,130 --> 01:50:35,140
 - Councilor.

2188
01:50:35,140 --> 01:50:36,290
 - Thank you and through you.

2189
01:50:36,290 --> 01:50:39,490
 to the applicant I just wanted to get a better

2190
01:50:39,490 --> 01:50:41,170
 sense because I'm hearing the applicants say

2191
01:50:41,170 --> 01:50:43,650
 something different than the land use so I'm just

2192
01:50:43,650 --> 01:50:46,220
 wanting to confirm that the applicant's intention

2193
01:50:46,220 --> 01:50:50,540
 is for a market rate rent senior compatible

2194
01:50:50,540 --> 01:50:54,400
 apartment and I'm just wondering if that's that

2195
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:56,490
 that would be correct so typically we're

2196
01:50:56,490 --> 01:51:00,070
 targeting seniors as our as our residents who

2197
01:51:00,070 --> 01:51:02,010
 typically have loved ones that live in the long-

2198
01:51:02,010 --> 01:51:02,800
term care home.

2199
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:07,010
 Typically, what I see, because I've been in this

2200
01:51:07,010 --> 01:51:07,790
 industry,

2201
01:51:07,790 --> 01:51:11,430
 it's, you know, their spouse is traveling to see

2202
01:51:11,430 --> 01:51:11,950
 their spouse

2203
01:51:11,950 --> 01:51:14,640
 every single day, and in order to, you know,

2204
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:17,270
 make that more amenable for their lifestyle and

2205
01:51:17,270 --> 01:51:18,460
 their health,

2206
01:51:18,460 --> 01:51:22,420
 we try to augment by having those apartments

2207
01:51:22,420 --> 01:51:23,490
 close by,

2208
01:51:23,490 --> 01:51:25,740
 and marketing that senior demographic,

2209
01:51:25,740 --> 01:51:28,440
 and setting those apartments up,

2210
01:51:28,440 --> 01:51:30,600
 so that they're senior friendly,

2211
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:32,940
 but the apartments themselves wouldn't have

2212
01:51:32,940 --> 01:51:35,080
 specific use

2213
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:37,700
 to that, that would just be what we would be

2214
01:51:37,700 --> 01:51:37,800
 looking

2215
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:41,920
 for to target that towards board seniors, Coun

2216
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:43,190
cillor.

2217
01:51:43,190 --> 01:51:45,850
 - Thank you and through you.

2218
01:51:45,850 --> 01:51:49,840
 So I just wanna say, appreciate the conversation

2219
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:51,520
 and the ability to better understand the

2220
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:52,150
 application

2221
01:51:52,150 --> 01:51:54,310
 and the use that's being mentioned here.

2222
01:51:54,310 --> 01:51:55,940
 I'm not a voting member of this committee,

2223
01:51:55,940 --> 01:51:58,300
 so I do not have a decision point here.

2224
01:51:58,300 --> 01:52:00,290
 My decision point is at council.

2225
01:52:00,290 --> 01:52:02,920
 So in that time, I will look for more information

2226
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:05,830
 on this matter, but I am hearing from residents

2227
01:52:05,830 --> 01:52:06,230
 here

2228
01:52:06,230 --> 01:52:07,990
 about the compatibility issues,

2229
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:10,980
 and I do understand those compatibility issues

2230
01:52:10,980 --> 01:52:14,010
 and see your concerns and hear them.

2231
01:52:14,010 --> 01:52:16,760
 And I'll continue to listen as we make a decision

2232
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:18,600
 on this application in the coming weeks.

2233
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:19,830
 Thank you.

2234
01:52:19,830 --> 01:52:23,480
 - Thank you, Councilor Trassel.

2235
01:52:23,480 --> 01:52:25,710
 - Thank you, thank you very much.

2236
01:52:25,710 --> 01:52:27,690
 Also, I'm just so you know, I'm not through the

2237
01:52:27,690 --> 01:52:28,030
 chair.

2238
01:52:28,030 --> 01:52:31,030
 I'm not a member, voting member of this committee

2239
01:52:31,030 --> 01:52:31,220
.

2240
01:52:31,220 --> 01:52:36,040
 I'm a guest and I will be able to make amendments

2241
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:36,140
,

2242
01:52:36,060 --> 01:52:39,940
 vote at council, here I can only speak.

2243
01:52:39,940 --> 01:52:41,620
 And I'm gonna speak to the fact that I think

2244
01:52:41,620 --> 01:52:44,560
 that based on everything I've heard today,

2245
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:47,660
 this application needs to be denied.

2246
01:52:47,660 --> 01:52:50,860
 If you can't make this work at three stories,

2247
01:52:50,860 --> 01:52:53,730
 you're trying to shove something into an area

2248
01:52:53,730 --> 01:52:55,530
 that it doesn't belong and you need to go back

2249
01:52:55,530 --> 01:52:57,910
 to the drawing board and do something different.

2250
01:52:57,910 --> 01:53:00,440
 And I think it's a real failure of planning

2251
01:53:00,440 --> 01:53:04,290
 to allow this with all of the questions that we

2252
01:53:04,290 --> 01:53:04,660
 have.

2253
01:53:04,660 --> 01:53:07,090
 if it was just the storm water.

2254
01:53:07,090 --> 01:53:10,440
 - Chair, point of personal point of order.

2255
01:53:10,440 --> 01:53:13,910
 - Okay, Deputy Mayor, go ahead.

2256
01:53:13,910 --> 01:53:17,410
 - It is inappropriate for the visiting counselor

2257
01:53:17,410 --> 01:53:23,260
 to be denigrating the work that our planning

2258
01:53:23,260 --> 01:53:23,550
 staff

2259
01:53:23,550 --> 01:53:26,540
 have done on this file, which he's just done.

2260
01:53:26,540 --> 01:53:30,830
 That's not an appropriate action at all.

2261
01:53:30,830 --> 01:53:34,420
 And I'd request respectfully that the counselor

2262
01:53:34,420 --> 01:53:37,860
 withdraw his criticism of our planning staff.

2263
01:53:37,860 --> 01:53:40,220
 He may not like the application,

2264
01:53:40,220 --> 01:53:46,670
 But that is not grounds to criticize our staff.

2265
01:53:46,670 --> 01:53:47,490
 - Yeah, Kelsey.

2266
01:53:47,490 --> 01:53:48,720
 - If I may respond.

2267
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:49,780
 - Hold on, also, hold on.

2268
01:53:49,780 --> 01:53:50,850
 - No, I can't respond.

2269
01:53:50,850 --> 01:53:51,830
 - Hold on a second.

2270
01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:53,060
 I have to deal with this.

2271
01:53:53,060 --> 01:53:56,740
 I understand what the deputy mayor is saying

2272
01:53:56,740 --> 01:53:58,820
 and I winced a bit when you said that, to be

2273
01:53:58,820 --> 01:53:59,950
 honest.

2274
01:53:59,950 --> 01:54:02,570
 Don't comment on the work that's being done.

2275
01:54:02,570 --> 01:54:04,810
 You can disagree with it.

2276
01:54:04,810 --> 01:54:08,350
 But let's just leave it at that, okay?

2277
01:54:08,350 --> 01:54:11,420
 - Let me respectfully say in response then

2278
01:54:11,420 --> 01:54:15,840
 that in my opinion, without denigrating staff,

2279
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:17,420
 I don't think this is good planning.

2280
01:54:17,420 --> 01:54:19,510
 And the reason why I don't think it's good

2281
01:54:19,510 --> 01:54:20,050
 planning

2282
01:54:20,050 --> 01:54:23,880
 is because we often say when we pass these things

2283
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:23,980
,

2284
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:25,780
 this is good planning.

2285
01:54:25,780 --> 01:54:27,600
 And it's okay to say it's good planning,

2286
01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:30,220
 but it's not okay to say I have problems with the

2287
01:54:30,220 --> 01:54:30,980
 planning.

2288
01:54:30,980 --> 01:54:34,670
 So where I wanna go with this is if it was just

2289
01:54:34,670 --> 01:54:36,450
 the noise,

2290
01:54:36,450 --> 01:54:38,460
 the mechanism on the roof,

2291
01:54:38,460 --> 01:54:41,540
 if it was just the storm water,

2292
01:54:41,540 --> 01:54:43,960
 which I don't think is resolved,

2293
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:46,470
 there are risk management issues here,

2294
01:54:46,470 --> 01:54:50,390
 If it was just the traffic, if it was just the

2295
01:54:50,390 --> 01:54:50,560
 fact

2296
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:52,130
 that these are really not going to be,

2297
01:54:52,130 --> 01:54:56,140
 I've heard no evidence that this is going to be

2298
01:54:56,140 --> 01:54:59,200
 in keeping with our age-friendly policies.

2299
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:01,480
 I've heard no evidence that this is gonna be

2300
01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:04,980
 in keeping with our children and family,

2301
01:55:04,980 --> 01:55:06,810
 neighborhood policies.

2302
01:55:06,810 --> 01:55:09,540
 I've heard no evidence that this is something

2303
01:55:09,540 --> 01:55:11,850
 that's gonna be a net benefit to the community.

2304
01:55:11,850 --> 01:55:13,790
 And I say that with all due respect.

2305
01:55:13,790 --> 01:55:17,110
 But quite frankly, this is what happens.

2306
01:55:17,110 --> 01:55:21,060
 application after application, and we've got to

2307
01:55:21,060 --> 01:55:21,690
 stop.

2308
01:55:21,690 --> 01:55:24,340
 Because I think residents of London are starting

2309
01:55:24,340 --> 01:55:25,450
 to feel,

2310
01:55:25,450 --> 01:55:27,300
 and this is just my opinion.

2311
01:55:27,300 --> 01:55:29,930
 It's not a reflection of staff.

2312
01:55:29,930 --> 01:55:32,130
 I think people are beginning to think

2313
01:55:32,130 --> 01:55:34,260
 that we're not listening to you.

2314
01:55:34,260 --> 01:55:36,200
 It's sort of like, thank you very much for coming

2315
01:55:36,200 --> 01:55:36,560
.

2316
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:38,420
 You're raising great points.

2317
01:55:38,420 --> 01:55:41,140
 Have a nice day, your children are cute,

2318
01:55:41,140 --> 01:55:43,200
 but we're just gonna approve this.

2319
01:55:43,200 --> 01:55:45,390
 And that's not okay, we need to do better.

2320
01:55:45,390 --> 01:55:48,240
 Now, I wanna spend some time talking about the

2321
01:55:48,240 --> 01:55:49,280
 traffic,

2322
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:53,320
 because application after application,

2323
01:55:53,320 --> 01:55:56,240
 we see the same issue.

2324
01:55:56,240 --> 01:56:00,510
 And that is the traffic study is just geared very

2325
01:56:00,510 --> 01:56:01,810
 narrowly

2326
01:56:01,810 --> 01:56:03,800
 just to this project.

2327
01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:07,650
 And we never ever get a traffic study

2328
01:56:07,650 --> 01:56:10,510
 that talks about the cumulative impacts in the

2329
01:56:10,510 --> 01:56:10,610
 area.

2330
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:11,790
 And many people talked about

2331
01:56:11,790 --> 01:56:16,080
 some of the other impacts in the area.

2332
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:18,250
 When we went through all of those applications

2333
01:56:18,250 --> 01:56:21,690
 on Oxford Street in my ward earlier in the term,

2334
01:56:21,690 --> 01:56:24,260
 This is exactly what I was talking about.

2335
01:56:24,260 --> 01:56:27,550
 We have to start looking at the cumulative

2336
01:56:27,550 --> 01:56:28,790
 impacts

2337
01:56:28,790 --> 01:56:30,790
 of public safety.

2338
01:56:30,790 --> 01:56:32,640
 And the fact that we are supposed to have

2339
01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:33,650
 policies

2340
01:56:33,650 --> 01:56:35,260
 that talk about traffic safety,

2341
01:56:35,260 --> 01:56:39,330
 we're supposed to have policies that talk about

2342
01:56:39,330 --> 01:56:43,510
 people not getting hurt or killed in traffic.

2343
01:56:43,510 --> 01:56:45,990
 And we're supposed to be creating neighborhoods

2344
01:56:45,990 --> 01:56:48,520
 that are safe and secure for residents,

2345
01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:52,030
 including children and including seniors.

2346
01:56:52,030 --> 01:56:53,880
 And I don't think we're doing that.

2347
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:57,080
 Now, I'm not in a position to be able to offer

2348
01:56:57,080 --> 01:56:59,770
 any amendments.

2349
01:56:59,770 --> 01:57:03,100
 Right now, they would not be in order.

2350
01:57:03,100 --> 01:57:08,430
 When we get to council, hopefully there will be

2351
01:57:08,430 --> 01:57:09,610
 an opportunity.

2352
01:57:09,610 --> 01:57:12,460
 But I think I can see where this is going.

2353
01:57:12,460 --> 01:57:16,940
 And I just don't feel as if this project should

2354
01:57:16,940 --> 01:57:18,120
 be approved.

2355
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:19,620
 And I really think that people from the

2356
01:57:19,620 --> 01:57:21,120
 neighborhood here

2357
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:25,960
 have laid out a very compelling and coherent and

2358
01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:27,720
 legally

2359
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:31,420
 since here, argument for why we should be voting

2360
01:57:31,420 --> 01:57:32,080
 no on this.

2361
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:33,380
 And as things stand now,

2362
01:57:33,380 --> 01:57:35,590
 I am definitely gonna be voting no.

2363
01:57:35,590 --> 01:57:38,370
 Hopefully, we can see this coming down to three

2364
01:57:38,370 --> 01:57:39,360
 stories

2365
01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:40,920
 with maybe some holding provisions,

2366
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:43,950
 but no to what is here right now.

2367
01:57:43,950 --> 01:57:46,460
 - Thank you. - Thank you.

2368
01:57:46,460 --> 01:57:51,790
 - I look for other speakers.

2369
01:57:51,790 --> 01:57:53,700
 Seeing none, I'll ask,

2370
01:57:53,700 --> 01:57:57,390
 Councilor Cudi to take the chair, please.

2371
01:57:57,390 --> 01:57:59,100
 - Thank you, Councilor Lehman, I will take the

2372
01:57:59,100 --> 01:58:00,120
 chair.

2373
01:58:00,120 --> 01:58:02,710
 - Thank you, so I'm pretty familiar with this

2374
01:58:02,710 --> 01:58:03,120
 area.

2375
01:58:04,370 --> 01:58:06,970
 with a number of residents around there. I've

2376
01:58:06,970 --> 01:58:08,410
 been at, you know, Gateway Church a number of

2377
01:58:08,410 --> 01:58:08,660
 times

2378
01:58:08,660 --> 01:58:12,930
 for various events. So I'd like to just kind of

2379
01:58:12,930 --> 01:58:17,170
 comment on my perspective of this this particular

2380
01:58:17,170 --> 01:58:20,840
 and this particular plan before us. I'd like to

2381
01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:24,250
 address three issues, density, height, and

2382
01:58:24,250 --> 01:58:26,350
 traffic.

2383
01:58:26,350 --> 01:58:29,380
 Let's just start with the height. So a number of

2384
01:58:29,380 --> 01:58:34,640
 years ago, the neighborhood was here talking to

2385
01:58:35,990 --> 01:58:41,700
 application before us. That was three stories, 82

2386
01:58:41,700 --> 01:58:48,440
 buildings, 40 units in HAD units. And you know

2387
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:51,080
 at that time there was a lot of misunderstanding

2388
01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:53,650
 thinking that that green space was a city park

2389
01:58:53,650 --> 01:58:55,890
 because the church was kind enough to have a

2390
01:58:55,890 --> 01:58:58,750
 couple of goalposts, a couple of nets up so kids

2391
01:58:58,750 --> 01:59:02,230
 could play soccer and whatnot, but then kind of

2392
01:59:02,230 --> 01:59:05,760
 learned that that had been a zone for development

2393
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:05,860
.

2394
01:59:05,770 --> 01:59:09,420
 something was going to be built on there. It was

2395
01:59:09,420 --> 01:59:12,660
 three stories, so a little higher than

2396
01:59:12,660 --> 01:59:15,920
 the neighborhood. But I think at that time, while

2397
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:21,190
 there was concerns, there was acceptance

2398
01:59:21,190 --> 01:59:24,360
 because of the affordable housing aspect to it.

2399
01:59:24,360 --> 01:59:26,330
 So, okay, we got a couple buildings where

2400
01:59:26,330 --> 01:59:28,960
 we thought we had green space, but affordable

2401
01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:32,080
 housing, so not like it crazily totally in

2402
01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:38,490
 favor, but okay, this time it's a lot different.

2403
01:59:38,490 --> 01:59:42,200
 The height, the height is being

2404
01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:44,940
 asked to go up to four stories. This is in the

2405
01:59:44,940 --> 01:59:45,990
 middle of a neighborhood,

2406
01:59:45,990 --> 01:59:49,090
 essentially what you have is you have a space

2407
01:59:49,090 --> 01:59:50,880
 between between two neighborhoods

2408
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:54,440
 connected by bluegrass. If this was on Serenia

2409
01:59:54,440 --> 01:59:55,850
 Road, I wouldn't have a problem

2410
01:59:55,850 --> 01:59:59,630
 with it, but to go four stories in a sing in the

2411
01:59:59,630 --> 02:00:01,000
 middle of a single family

2412
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:07,190
 neighborhood. I hear what people are saying, and

2413
02:00:07,190 --> 02:00:08,050
 I tend to agree with them,

2414
02:00:08,050 --> 02:00:12,040
 quite frankly. Regarding the density, the density

2415
02:00:12,040 --> 02:00:13,700
 here is requesting an increase

2416
02:00:13,700 --> 02:00:19,480
 of about 64% roughly. You know, the number of

2417
02:00:19,480 --> 02:00:21,800
 units are less 50, 54 units, I think, or

2418
02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:26,510
 something, but over 200 beds. And I think what we

2419
02:00:26,510 --> 02:00:32,060
 heard today is, is important with

2420
02:00:32,060 --> 02:00:35,280
 the type of facilities that density, while people

2421
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:38,040
 probably will not be driving around,

2422
02:00:38,040 --> 02:00:43,010
 you're going to get a lot of traffic that goes

2423
02:00:43,010 --> 02:00:46,230
 with the staffing, especially of the long-term

2424
02:00:46,230 --> 02:00:49,560
 care facility. And it's going to be shift work,

2425
02:00:49,560 --> 02:00:51,890
 and it's going to be deliveries and maintenance

2426
02:00:51,890 --> 02:00:56,400
 work, et cetera. Again, an impact in the middle

2427
02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:59,800
 of a neighborhood, which leads me to traffic.

2428
02:00:59,800 --> 02:01:02,410
 Bluegrass, it's an extremely narrow road that

2429
02:01:02,410 --> 02:01:06,550
 connects these two neighborhoods, a road that's

2430
02:01:06,550 --> 02:01:09,940
 many people walk on, it's young families out

2431
02:01:09,940 --> 02:01:13,100
 there, it's the access to transit stop on

2432
02:01:13,100 --> 02:01:15,740
 Sarnia Road, instead of walking down Sarnia, it's

2433
02:01:15,740 --> 02:01:18,420
 safer to walk through that neighborhood.

2434
02:01:18,420 --> 02:01:22,540
 And you'll see on Sunday when the church is open

2435
02:01:22,540 --> 02:01:26,550
 for service, as well as when other events,

2436
02:01:26,550 --> 02:01:32,040
 parking on bluegrass is is considerable and you

2437
02:01:32,040 --> 02:01:33,920
 heard it mentioned it's right

2438
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:36,210
 on I've seen it you can barely get one car down

2439
02:01:36,210 --> 02:01:39,120
 there so definitely a concern

2440
02:01:39,120 --> 02:01:42,540
 of the traffic that this density is going to

2441
02:01:42,540 --> 02:01:46,210
 going to bring so again if this

2442
02:01:46,210 --> 02:01:49,580
 project was on Sarnia Road I would have no

2443
02:01:49,580 --> 02:01:53,040
 problem with it but I really do not

2444
02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:57,570
 believe in my view that this is compatible with

2445
02:01:57,570 --> 02:02:00,580
 the neighborhood this is

2446
02:02:00,580 --> 02:02:04,040
 institutional facility and height of four stories

2447
02:02:04,040 --> 02:02:06,190
 right smack dab in the

2448
02:02:06,190 --> 02:02:08,360
 middle of a single family residence so I cannot

2449
02:02:08,360 --> 02:02:13,200
 support it thank you chair seeing

2450
02:02:13,200 --> 02:02:15,700
 no other speakers I return the chair to you thank

2451
02:02:15,700 --> 02:02:17,090
 you counselor I'll look for

2452
02:02:17,090 --> 02:02:22,680
 other speakers seeing none we have a motion

2453
02:02:22,680 --> 02:02:24,420
 before us moved in second I will

2454
02:02:24,420 --> 02:02:46,560
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries three to

2455
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:48,620
 two.

2456
02:02:48,620 --> 02:02:50,210
 - Thank you.

2457
02:02:50,210 --> 02:02:53,300
 That concludes our scheduled items.

2458
02:02:53,300 --> 02:02:56,260
 I don't see any items for direction.

2459
02:02:56,260 --> 02:02:57,820
 That leads us to deferred matters list.

2460
02:02:57,820 --> 02:03:01,430
 I'll look for a motion to accept

2461
02:03:01,430 --> 02:03:03,280
 the deferred matters list from staff.

2462
02:03:03,280 --> 02:03:05,370
 Councillor Hilliard, seconded by Councillor Cutty

2463
02:03:05,370 --> 02:03:19,540
 and we'll open the vote on that.

2464
02:03:19,540 --> 02:03:22,050
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries five to

2465
02:03:22,050 --> 02:03:22,760
 zero.

2466
02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:24,290
 - I believe we've gone through the agenda.

2467
02:03:24,290 --> 02:03:25,630
 I'll look for a motion to adjourn.

2468
02:03:25,630 --> 02:03:27,680
 Councillor Cutty, seconded by Councillor Hilliard

2469
02:03:27,680 --> 02:03:31,780
 and a hand vote on that.

2470
02:03:31,780 --> 02:03:33,470
 closing the vote, the motion carries.