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 - Good afternoon, everyone.

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 It's 1 p.m.

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 I'm gonna call the ninth meeting

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 of the planning environment committee to order.

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 Please check the city website

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 for additional meeting detail information.

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 The city of London is situated on the traditional

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 of the Anishinaabe, Khod Noshne, Anapewak and Ad

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awanderan.

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 We honor and respect the history languages

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 and culture of the diverse indigenous people

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 who call this territory home.

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 The city of London is currently home

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 to many First Nations, Métis and Inuit today.

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 as representatives of the people of the city of

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 London,

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 we are grateful to have the opportunity to work

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 and live in this territory.

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 The city of London is committed to making every

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 to provide alternate formats and communication

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 for meetings upon request to make a request.

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 Specific to this meeting, please contact packatl

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ondon.ca

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 or 519-661-2489 extension 2425.

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 I'll just say first folks, I'm sorry about the

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 but it looks obviously that we haven't.

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 obviously for maybe reading your notes while you

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 Okay, just look around for any disclosures

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 of pecuniary interest.

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 Seeing none, we have no consent items.

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 You have five minutes and I'll let you know

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 when your time is up at 30 seconds

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 and to members of committee and visiting

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 we have five minutes as well.

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 Okay, first item is 3.1 and this is regarding 39

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 So we'll be moving things a little quicker.

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 So we've got a motion moved in second to opening

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 So there sir, please give us your name

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 and you have five minutes.

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 know turn on off switch up there I'll ask for got

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 someone coming we're just looking at opening our

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 afternoon members of committee visiting

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 counselors my name is Alex van der

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 sluze I am the development manager for Auburn

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 developments we are the applicant

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 for 3924 4012 and 4050 Colonel Talbot Road also

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 known as our Heathwood

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 amendment, city initiated official plan amendment

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 as well as a red line revision to the approved

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 for the unregistered portions of the approved

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 the red line we're proposing to bring into the

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 obviously the city initiated OPA was needed

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 more dated Southwest Area Secondary Plan

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 and then the London Plan, which has a more up-to-

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date planning framework. Staff are currently

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 official plan amendment to essentially line up

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 small requested alternate motion related to

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 the market reality that folks are looking for

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 Councilor Cuddy, thank you Chair.

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 I'll move the motion.

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 - Chair, I'd like to open discussion

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 by speaking to this.

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 - Yeah, please go ahead, Councilor.

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 low and medium density housing while making

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 efficient use of service land within our urban

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 The applicant is seeking a modest adjustment that

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 would allow a double car garage garages

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 in driveways on select lots under 12 meters in

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 The proposed change recognizes these market

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 - Okay, so you're moving that motion that we see.

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 I'll look for any other, for other speakers.

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 I saw Deputy Mayor Lewis hand up.

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 Deputy Mayor, do you want to speak to this?

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 - Yes, just briefly Chair.

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 I support the Councilor's amendment.

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 That's absolutely fine, no objection to that.

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 as part of the future draft plan of subdivision.

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 addition.

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 I'll look to the clerks to see if they can occur

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 with that,

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 but if that's the case, if it's not contrary,

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 then I'm prepared to move that for Councillor

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 Hopkins

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 and let her speak to it.

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 - Okay, I'll just confer with the current.

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 Okay, so Deputy Mayor, you're putting forth that

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 amendment.

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 for a seconder on that, Councillor Stevenson has

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 seconded.

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 I'll just go right to Councillor Hopkins as well.

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 And have you speak to that, Councillor?

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 - Thank you, Mr. Chair, for recognizing me.

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 I'm not part of this committee.

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 I do appreciate the committee members bringing

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 forward

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 another amendment.

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 I do think for the public's sake,

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 I would like to read the amendment that I'm

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 proposing.

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 And it's based on a lot of development that's

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 going on

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 in the Lambeth area and as we develop

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 and as we've already approved many, many

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 applications,

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 the importance of how we move around our

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 community

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 becomes even more important.

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 I do want to acknowledge the community.

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 There isn't a letter, an added attachment

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 to the agenda expressing a number of concerns.

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 One is the transportation.

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 So with the amendment, it would be added to

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 clause D

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 and it would be an I, which says any issues

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 raised

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 at the public meeting?

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 Well, I should start at the beginning.

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 With respect to the proposed red line revisions

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 to the draft plan of subdivision of Youth Woods

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 Subdivision,

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 as submitted by Auburn,

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 the Planning and Environment Committee

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 report to the authority on the following.

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 Any issues raised at the public meeting

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 and request a revised transportation impact

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 assessment

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 to be considered as part of the future draft plan

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 subdivision, detailed design and site plant

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 design processes. So that is my

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 added amendment and I thank the committee for

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 adding it to the

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 recommendation. I do have other comments. I will

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 speak to the main motion or is

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 this the main motion? Well we're dealing with the

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 amendment right now so if it's

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 amendment related go ahead but if you want to

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 hold off on the main motion go

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 that. Okay. So any further comments just on the

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 amendment that the deputy put forth on behalf of

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 Councillor Hopkins, please go ahead, Councillor

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 Peruzza. Thank you, sir. To the staff, I see the

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 letter on the two pages from the Auburn, but then

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 there's the amendment, then there's the

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 alternate motion, et cetera. And I just want to

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 make sure that if we either clerk or our staff

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 have gone through it or if this is approved by

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 this committee, if I just want to make sure that

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 it's aligned. If the committee approves it and it

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 goes to the council, I just want to make sure

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 that there are no discrepancy in terms of the two

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 letters and in terms of the additional work done

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 by Auburn. Okay, we're going to stop through the

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 chair. Thanks for the question. So,

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 Respect to the driveway widths and garages. It's

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 exactly exactly identical to what Auburn has

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 requested in addition within their letter

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 Staff noted they did request some changes. I

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 Believe to interior side yard

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 First the R5 and six zones

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 Because that was not detailed in their letter

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 staff maintained those provisions that were in

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 staff's

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 original by-law, so those are the only

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 differences. And it's a setback from the

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 interior property line if there's habitable

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 windows with a 3-meter setback.

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 Councillor. Thank you for that. And I will

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 support this at the Council. But as I said,

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 I just want to make sure that the letter or the

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 requests from Auburn which I will support at the

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 Council. Councillor, I just want to remind you

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 that we're in the amendment right now. So we're

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 We're just talking about traffic study that if

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 you're referring to that portion of it as opposed

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 to the whole motion that

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 Councilor Cutty put on the floor fine to just

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 just caution you to don't get too much off track

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 here into the into the main motion

381
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 Okay

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 Do what I believe it is now

383
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 I'll just clarify one more thing when it comes to

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 the amendment to the main motion

385
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 Okay, any other comments or questions on the on

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 the amendment we have amendment moved in second

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 and I'll call that vote.

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 - Those in the vote, the motion carries five to

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 zero.

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 - So I'll go back to the original moverner.

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 Seconder, are you okay to move the amended,

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 as amended motion?

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 - Yes, Chair.

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 - Councillor Stevenson, okay, second.

395
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 Okay.

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 So now we have the motion as amended.

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 And I'll look for comments.

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 I can go back to you Councillor Hopkins

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 'cause you had indicated that you wanted to speak

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 to that.

401
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 Yeah.

402
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 - Thank you for recognizing me again.

403
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 So on the main motion.

404
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 First of all, I want to thank the consultant.

405
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 I think you did a great overview of what the

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 zoning

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 and the official plan amendments

408
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 that are in front of us right now.

409
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 I know it seems a little complicated.

410
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 I've had a hard time myself trying to align

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 everything

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 and then of course the added properties.

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 But from my understanding what we're doing here

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 is bringing all these plans in alignment

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 and we're creating more or less policies

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 in particular as well policies to align with the

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 London plan.

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 I want to thank the community again

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 for asking a number of questions.

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 I know this is a subdivision agreement.

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 There's going to be a draft plan and site plan

422
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 process

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 is going forward.

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 The community can often reach out to the planning

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 department

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 to find out where this process is at, as well as

427
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 reaching out to our website and monitoring

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 the application as well.

429
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 It will probably take a while for this

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 development to come about, but I think it's

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 important

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 to the community to understand where this process

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 is.

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 I also understand that the we'll be looking

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 forward

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 into the future on improving some of our IT

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 enhancements

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 as well, so making it easier for the community

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 to find out what is going on.

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 On the amendment, thank you again, committee.

441
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,530
 I am not quite sure how I'm gonna support

442
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 the added two car garage.

443
00:22:02,140 --> 00:22:05,590
 I know we have parking standards coming forward.

444
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 to the next planning committee.

445
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 I'd like to see those standards a little bit more

446
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,

447
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 understand the amendment that's being proposed.

448
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 I haven't read it completely,

449
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 so I have time until council to understand it.

450
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 But I do have concerns sometimes when we build

451
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 new homes,

452
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 we create these garages that sort of overtake a

453
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 house

454
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 and the way it looks in the neighborhood.

455
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 So I have a few concerns, but like I said,

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 So I'll follow up on the applicant's amendment

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 as this goes to council.

458
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 Thank you.

459
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 - Thank you.

460
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 I'll look for other comments or questions.

461
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 Councilor Pervault.

462
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 - Thank you, Chair.

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 So just to follow up on my last question.

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 So I'll try to be specific on the edit agenda

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 page 47 to 49.

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 Is the letter from Auburn?

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 Then it's from 49 to 57.

468
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 Is the additional amendment and appendix AB?

469
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 And my question is, is it aligned?

470
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 Has the stop gone straight than either planning

471
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 or the legal?

472
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 Is it aligned with the two pages of the letter,

473
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 besides what I already heard, the difference?

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 Are there any other differences or is it aligned?

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 - Go staff.

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 Through the chair, the only pieces of the bylaw

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 that are not aligned are section three and four

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 of the bylaw under II of first section three,

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 for rear and interior side yard depth,

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 where staff still included the three meters

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 where no windows or habitable room face

482
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 for interior inside, or sorry, interior side

483
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 setback

484
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 and rear setback.

485
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 And we felt the need to still include those

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 provisions

487
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 as Auburn's letter didn't speak specifically

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 to any removal of those items.

489
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 It just spoke specifically to widen driveway

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 and widen garage width.

491
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 - Councillor.

492
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 So thank you for that.

493
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 So what will be done then if the committee

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 approves it,

495
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 now what's in front of us?

496
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 Where is the point where it's actually

497
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 going to get either aligned?

498
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 Is this going to be done before the council?

499
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 Or I just want-- I'm just a little bit on this

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 one.

501
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 As I said, normally we get the letter

502
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 and we don't get the additional six, seven pages

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 from the developer.

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 So I just want to make sure how it's going to be

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 aligned

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 and how we are going to be through the planning

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 and then council, if you can kind of clarify it

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 for me.

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 staff through the chair we are aligned with the

510
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 the bylaw that's in front of

511
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 committee right now with respect to the the

512
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 driveway width and garage width what's

513
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 not aligned is section 3 in section 4

514
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 specifically for rear interior side

515
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 yard setback depth as those provisions still are

516
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 within the bylaw in front of

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 committee as they weren't specifically called out

518
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 in Auburn's report I might

519
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 on a deferred to Auburn to see if they have any

520
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 concerns with that inclusion as it may have been

521
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 missed in there or it was intentional it just

522
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 wasn't called out specifically as I mentioned in

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 their letter to committee. I'll go to the

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 applicant. Okay thank you Peter. I truthfully I

525
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 thought what

526
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 was in the the staff by-law was an oversight

527
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 because it was permitting a setback which we had

528
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 requested of 1.2 meters which we just requested a

529
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 setback of 1.2 meters which

530
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 is a typical interior side yard setback for

531
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 single-family homes and it's for

532
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 street town homes and the revised by-law as well

533
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 so we had requested that for

534
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,860
 cluster town homes essentially but staff had

535
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 included in their by-law where

536
00:26:02,890 --> 00:26:05,990
 there are no windows that the by that the setback

537
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:08,220
 would be larger so where

538
00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:10,510
 you have windows it could be 1.2 meters but where

539
00:26:10,510 --> 00:26:11,500
 there are no windows it would

540
00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:13,910
 three meters so I know truthfully we didn't speak

541
00:26:13,910 --> 00:26:14,760
 about it I thought it was

542
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,970
 just an oversight I had deleted it in the draft

543
00:26:17,970 --> 00:26:20,610
 file that I had proposed we

544
00:26:20,610 --> 00:26:23,340
 expect to have windows on those side yards in

545
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 which case that three meters

546
00:26:25,460 --> 00:26:28,320
 wouldn't come into play so I it doesn't concern

547
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 me if that's I know that's what's

548
00:26:30,180 --> 00:26:32,150
 on the floor if you want to proceed with that I

549
00:26:32,150 --> 00:26:34,300
 don't have concerns but I

550
00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:38,920
 thought that the I thought it was just a mistake

551
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,620
 initially that I corrected but

552
00:26:41,620 --> 00:26:44,910
 As Peter said, I didn't point it out in my letter

553
00:26:44,910 --> 00:26:48,830
 because I didn't think it was of substance.

554
00:26:48,830 --> 00:26:49,860
 Hopefully that helps.

555
00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:50,790
 Thank you.

556
00:26:50,790 --> 00:26:52,850
 Councillor.

557
00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:54,630
 And just a full-up sort of chair to our staff

558
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:58,420
 after hearing this, can you provide us feedback

559
00:26:58,420 --> 00:26:59,480
 on those comments?

560
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,490
 I'll go to staff.

561
00:27:04,490 --> 00:27:06,420
 Through the chair, based on what Auburn was

562
00:27:06,420 --> 00:27:08,510
 highlighting there in their speaking notes,

563
00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:11,090
 it sounds like they're okay with this special

564
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:13,890
 provision, but if committee wants the by-law

565
00:27:13,890 --> 00:27:17,630
 to be amended we can remove the provision as I

566
00:27:17,630 --> 00:27:21,700
 noted it's within section 3 which is for the R5

567
00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:22,020
 zone

568
00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:25,030
 as well as section 4 of the by-law specifically

569
00:27:25,030 --> 00:27:28,440
 within the R6 zone but based on what we heard

570
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:28,590
 from

571
00:27:28,590 --> 00:27:30,730
 Auburn it seems like they're okay with the

572
00:27:30,730 --> 00:27:39,000
 provision. Okay thank you. Mr. Mathers do you

573
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:39,380
 want to

574
00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:50,680
 Mr. Mathers do you want to add to that? Yeah

575
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,970
 through the chair just to make it very

576
00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:55,850
 clear that there is no staff concern with what's

577
00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:58,270
 before you so if you choose to move forward with

578
00:27:58,270 --> 00:28:00,890
 With that, we don't have a concern with that.

579
00:28:00,890 --> 00:28:03,260
 What's before you today when you're by law?

580
00:28:03,260 --> 00:28:05,140
 - Thank you, Councillor.

581
00:28:05,140 --> 00:28:06,600
 - So thank you for answering all my questions.

582
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,700
 I will leave it as I'm not a member of this

583
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:09,050
 committee.

584
00:28:09,050 --> 00:28:10,310
 I will leave it as the committee,

585
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:13,680
 but thank you for all your answers.

586
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:14,490
 - Okay, thank you.

587
00:28:14,490 --> 00:28:17,110
 I'll look for other comments or questions

588
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:20,080
 from committee members or staff or visiting Coun

589
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,250
cillors.

590
00:28:24,250 --> 00:28:26,440
 Okay, we've got a motion, a motion moved and

591
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:26,900
 seconded

592
00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:36,120
 and we'll call the vote.

593
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:38,130
 - I was thinking about the motion carries five to

594
00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:40,170
 zero.

595
00:28:40,170 --> 00:28:45,620
 Thank you. Moving on to 3.2. This is regarding

596
00:28:45,620 --> 00:28:49,390
 employment area, policy review, industrial

597
00:28:49,390 --> 00:28:53,780
 land review. We have a motion to open the public

598
00:28:53,780 --> 00:28:56,510
 participation meeting moved in second

599
00:28:56,510 --> 00:29:09,570
 already, so we'll call that vote.

600
00:29:09,570 --> 00:29:13,510
 Closing the vote, the motion carries 5 to 0.

601
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:16,190
 Hi, I see you at the microphone. Please give us

602
00:29:16,190 --> 00:29:17,620
 your name and you have five minutes.

603
00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:23,180
 Thank you, Chair. Good afternoon, members of the

604
00:29:23,180 --> 00:29:25,260
 Committee and City Councilors. My name

605
00:29:25,260 --> 00:29:27,750
 is Alia Richards and I'm a planner with Zilinka-P

606
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:29,340
ramo Limited representing

607
00:29:29,340 --> 00:29:32,660
 Focal Point Development Corporation. I'm here to

608
00:29:32,660 --> 00:29:34,540
 speak to item 3.2 to request

609
00:29:34,540 --> 00:29:37,560
 consideration for a special policy area encomp

610
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,890
assing the commercial

611
00:29:38,890 --> 00:29:41,140
 industrial lands located in the Hyde Park

612
00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:42,880
 District to allow for a broader

613
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,110
 range of commercial and office uses. This request

614
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:48,380
 is based on both recent

615
00:29:48,380 --> 00:29:51,160
 provincial policy changes which no longer class

616
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,480
ifies these lands as an

617
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,880
 as an employment area and the unique

618
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,410
 characteristics of the specific area which

619
00:29:57,410 --> 00:29:59,530
 does not function as a typical commercial

620
00:29:59,530 --> 00:30:01,980
 industrial area as envisioned

621
00:30:01,980 --> 00:30:05,350
 in the London Plan. These lands are not located

622
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:06,860
 near active industrial or

623
00:30:06,860 --> 00:30:10,350
 employment uses and are not positioned as a

624
00:30:10,350 --> 00:30:12,330
 transition between industrial and

625
00:30:12,330 --> 00:30:15,610
 sensitive land uses. Instead they are embedded in

626
00:30:15,610 --> 00:30:17,750
 a mixed use context surrounded

627
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:21,230
 by neighborhoods, main street areas, shopping

628
00:30:21,230 --> 00:30:21,590
 areas,

629
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:23,710
 and open space uses.

630
00:30:23,710 --> 00:30:26,320
 As a result, this area presents a unique

631
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:27,330
 circumstance

632
00:30:27,330 --> 00:30:29,770
 that warrants reconsideration of how the policies

633
00:30:29,770 --> 00:30:31,190
 are applied.

634
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:33,260
 Under the current policy framework,

635
00:30:33,260 --> 00:30:35,770
 many commercial and service uses are either

636
00:30:35,770 --> 00:30:36,930
 prohibited

637
00:30:36,930 --> 00:30:39,600
 or severely restricted as the vast majority

638
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,180
 of the commercial industrial lands at this

639
00:30:42,180 --> 00:30:42,970
 location

640
00:30:42,970 --> 00:30:45,030
 are not adjacent to a civic boulevard

641
00:30:45,030 --> 00:30:47,220
 and are not located near any industrial

642
00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:50,880
 or employment lands with a workforce to serve.

643
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,290
 As currently written, the policies do not provide

644
00:30:53,290 --> 00:30:55,270
 meaningful opportunities for landowners

645
00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:58,080
 to optimize their lands, and they limit the

646
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:58,480
 ability

647
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,730
 for the area to evolve in a logical way.

648
00:31:01,730 --> 00:31:03,550
 The London Plan needs to acknowledge

649
00:31:03,550 --> 00:31:05,890
 the unique circumstances of this area,

650
00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:08,090
 which strongly deviates from the commercial

651
00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:09,930
 industrial areas in London,

652
00:31:09,930 --> 00:31:12,180
 which are positioned next to active industrial

653
00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:12,470
 lands

654
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:14,110
 throughout the city.

655
00:31:14,110 --> 00:31:16,040
 With rethink zoning underway,

656
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,970
 This is the appropriate time to consider

657
00:31:17,970 --> 00:31:20,700
 the how the existing policy framework impacts

658
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:22,870
 and constrains these lands.

659
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:24,510
 If no changes are made,

660
00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:27,850
 this area will likely remain stagnant and under

661
00:31:27,850 --> 00:31:28,600
utilized

662
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,620
 because it does not have the appropriate planning

663
00:31:30,620 --> 00:31:31,420
 purpose

664
00:31:31,420 --> 00:31:33,410
 under the existing framework.

665
00:31:33,410 --> 00:31:35,710
 It does not have an appropriate planning purpose

666
00:31:35,710 --> 00:31:37,340
 under the existing framework,

667
00:31:37,340 --> 00:31:40,390
 considering the context of the surrounding area.

668
00:31:40,390 --> 00:31:43,410
 Notably, many service and office-oriented uses

669
00:31:43,410 --> 00:31:45,360
 are already present in the area.

670
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,210
 However, those uses require significant time,

671
00:31:48,210 --> 00:31:48,610
 effort,

672
00:31:48,610 --> 00:31:51,310
 and cost to establish under the existing policies

673
00:31:51,310 --> 00:31:52,150
 governing

674
00:31:52,150 --> 00:31:54,550
 the commercial industrial place type.

675
00:31:54,550 --> 00:31:57,180
 Importantly, we are not seeking a full re-design

676
00:31:57,180 --> 00:31:57,610
ation

677
00:31:57,610 --> 00:32:00,230
 of these lands, but rather a targeted and

678
00:32:00,230 --> 00:32:01,650
 practical solution,

679
00:32:01,650 --> 00:32:03,950
 which would remove unnecessary restrictions

680
00:32:03,950 --> 00:32:06,370
 on commercial uses, broaden the range

681
00:32:06,370 --> 00:32:09,890
 of permitted commercial service in office uses,

682
00:32:09,890 --> 00:32:12,480
 acknowledge the existing industrial uses in the

683
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:13,070
 area,

684
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:14,880
 and better align the policies with both

685
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,970
 provincial direction

686
00:32:15,970 --> 00:32:18,010
 and the existing context.

687
00:32:18,010 --> 00:32:20,320
 In closing, we respectfully ask the committee

688
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,440
 to recognize the unique context of these lands

689
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,180
 and support a site-specific policy approach

690
00:32:26,180 --> 00:32:29,100
 that would allow for more appropriate

691
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:31,900
 and functional use moving forward.

692
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:33,760
 As such, we would request that this matter

693
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,530
 be referred back to staff to consider expanding

694
00:32:36,530 --> 00:32:39,230
 the range of permitted uses within the Hyde Park

695
00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:40,080
 District.

696
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,180
 Thank you for your time, and I would be happy

697
00:32:42,180 --> 00:32:44,010
 to answer any questions.

698
00:32:44,010 --> 00:32:44,970
 - Thank you, Ms. Richards.

699
00:32:44,970 --> 00:32:52,370
 I'll look for other speakers.

700
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:54,900
 Please sir, give us your name and you have five

701
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:55,450
 minutes.

702
00:32:55,450 --> 00:32:57,100
 - Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair.

703
00:32:57,100 --> 00:33:00,050
 My name is Ross Raines, owner of Focal Point

704
00:33:00,050 --> 00:33:00,440
 Group,

705
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,860
 a small family run office rental business

706
00:33:02,860 --> 00:33:06,660
 serving tenants across London.

707
00:33:06,660 --> 00:33:09,410
 For context, we're talking about here

708
00:33:09,410 --> 00:33:13,090
 a 14,000 square foot office structure

709
00:33:13,090 --> 00:33:16,870
 that was built originally about 35, 40 years ago

710
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:20,740
 as an industrial support office for the barcode

711
00:33:20,740 --> 00:33:22,290
 industry.

712
00:33:22,290 --> 00:33:25,260
 The site has 90 parking spaces on two and a half

713
00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:26,340
 acres.

714
00:33:26,340 --> 00:33:28,610
 We have owned the property for 20 years.

715
00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:30,020
 It's our first building.

716
00:33:30,020 --> 00:33:34,220
 We pay currently 60,000 per year in city taxes.

717
00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:37,690
 And in October 2025, we lost our anchor tenant

718
00:33:37,690 --> 00:33:39,980
 due to bankruptcy

719
00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:43,250
 as a result of the 100% tariffs from the US

720
00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:46,170
 on the aluminum product industry.

721
00:33:46,170 --> 00:33:48,750
 Right now, we simply cannot fill the space.

722
00:33:48,750 --> 00:33:52,750
 There is virtually no demand for light industrial

723
00:33:52,750 --> 00:33:56,360
 in this quickly transitioning area we know as

724
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,920
 Hyde Park.

725
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,060
 We face the real option of needing to sell to

726
00:34:00,060 --> 00:34:00,440
 someone

727
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,380
 who may turn it into a step down use

728
00:34:03,380 --> 00:34:06,390
 such as mini storage or whatever.

729
00:34:06,390 --> 00:34:09,430
 Our experience over the years with our two

730
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:09,840
 properties

731
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,830
 in Hyde Park is that there's a huge demand

732
00:34:12,830 --> 00:34:15,680
 for general office space for professionals,

733
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,090
 doctors, personal services, counselors, and

734
00:34:19,090 --> 00:34:20,290
 others.

735
00:34:20,290 --> 00:34:24,450
 And yet there's virtually no demand for occupancy

736
00:34:24,450 --> 00:34:27,660
 by anything in the existing LI,

737
00:34:27,660 --> 00:34:30,530
 or light industrial zoning category that we're in

738
00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:31,550
.

739
00:34:31,550 --> 00:34:35,600
 We have a private K to 12 school

740
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,300
 that would take over the property tomorrow,

741
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:41,210
 but the city has said no.

742
00:34:41,210 --> 00:34:43,430
 We qualify for a commercial school

743
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:46,340
 that fits the zoning, but not private school.

744
00:34:46,340 --> 00:34:49,420
 We have two large proven caregiving counselor

745
00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:49,850
 groups

746
00:34:49,850 --> 00:34:51,460
 that have been circling like airplanes

747
00:34:51,460 --> 00:34:53,980
 needing to land the past six months

748
00:34:53,980 --> 00:34:56,230
 on any possibility that zoning

749
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:58,510
 would be upgraded to reflect the needs

750
00:34:58,510 --> 00:35:00,660
 of this growing suburban market,

751
00:35:00,660 --> 00:35:06,000
 but they too do not comply with existing zoning.

752
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,620
 We showed the space again this morning

753
00:35:07,620 --> 00:35:10,750
 to one of these groups and they're very eager.

754
00:35:10,750 --> 00:35:14,620
 They specialize in services for autistic children

755
00:35:14,620 --> 00:35:15,480
.

756
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,730
 I don't think our situation is unique.

757
00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:20,060
 The area as a whole has emerged

758
00:35:20,060 --> 00:35:22,660
 into a mature suburban setting,

759
00:35:22,660 --> 00:35:25,720
 but the zoning flexibility of this light

760
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:26,990
 industrial area

761
00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:29,940
 has not kept pace with the true demands of the

762
00:35:29,940 --> 00:35:30,910
 market.

763
00:35:30,910 --> 00:35:33,900
 I can't speak to retail or other commercial uses,

764
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:36,640
 but the office segment is very limited in this

765
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:37,690
 area.

766
00:35:37,690 --> 00:35:39,780
 We simply ask that the council consider

767
00:35:39,780 --> 00:35:42,420
 significantly expanding uses

768
00:35:42,420 --> 00:35:45,030
 under the current light industrial zoning.

769
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:45,980
 Thank you.

770
00:35:45,980 --> 00:35:46,880
 - Thank you.

771
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,820
 I'll look for the next speaker.

772
00:35:51,820 --> 00:35:53,330
 Please sort of give us your name and you have

773
00:35:53,330 --> 00:35:54,520
 five minutes.

774
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:55,910
 - Good afternoon, my name is Eric Steele

775
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:57,940
 from Monteith Brown Planning Insoles.

776
00:35:57,940 --> 00:36:00,000
 We're here on behalf of our own clients,

777
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,830
 the owners and developers of the lands known as

778
00:36:01,830 --> 00:36:03,330
 2448 Dundas,

779
00:36:03,330 --> 00:36:06,530
 so shown on schedule 5, Appendix B of staff's

780
00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:07,500
 report.

781
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:09,570
 These lands are split designated between a

782
00:36:09,570 --> 00:36:10,050
 neighborhood's

783
00:36:10,050 --> 00:36:12,600
 place type and a light industrial place type.

784
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,030
 And so in consultation with staff,

785
00:36:14,030 --> 00:36:15,730
 we have submitted a request that these lands

786
00:36:15,730 --> 00:36:17,990
 be re-designated to be entirely neighborhood's

787
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:18,900
 place type

788
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:20,970
 as part of the city's review of unsuitable

789
00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:24,200
 and ineligible industrial lands.

790
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,030
 These lands were designated or identified

791
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:28,170
 as being unsuitable through the city's

792
00:36:28,170 --> 00:36:30,230
 industrial land use assessment process

793
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:32,810
 due to proximity to more sensitive residential

794
00:36:32,810 --> 00:36:33,400
 uses

795
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,390
 to the east, west, and south.

796
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:38,720
 And so given that context, we are the position

797
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,300
 that these lands be more appropriate

798
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:43,780
 to augment residential uses through that redesign

799
00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:44,730
ation.

800
00:36:44,730 --> 00:36:46,130
 Additionally, I would note that since these lands

801
00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:48,510
 were deemed unsuitable, there'd be no removal

802
00:36:48,510 --> 00:36:50,740
 of employment lands, or as any impact

803
00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:52,800
 to the city's supply of employment lands

804
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,310
 through this redesignation.

805
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:56,940
 And so in summary, we are supportive of staff's

806
00:36:56,940 --> 00:36:57,570
 recommendation

807
00:36:57,570 --> 00:36:58,750
 to re-designate these lands

808
00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:00,470
 and to happy answering questions as it relates to

809
00:37:00,470 --> 00:37:01,590
 that.

810
00:37:01,590 --> 00:37:02,390
 - Thank you.

811
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:07,640
 I'll look for the next speaker.

812
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,760
 I'll ask the clerk if there's anyone online

813
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,000
 like to address the committee.

814
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,260
 I don't see anyone else coming to the microphone,

815
00:37:16,260 --> 00:37:20,250
 so I'll open the vote to close the public

816
00:37:20,250 --> 00:37:30,980
 participation meeting.

817
00:37:30,980 --> 00:37:32,930
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries five to

818
00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:33,420
 zero.

819
00:37:33,420 --> 00:37:38,350
 - Okay, I'll put this on the floor for committee.

820
00:37:38,350 --> 00:37:39,970
 Councillor cutting.

821
00:37:39,970 --> 00:37:42,830
 - Chair, I'll move the staff recommendation.

822
00:37:42,830 --> 00:37:44,140
 I'll look for a seconder.

823
00:37:44,140 --> 00:37:45,710
 Councillor Stevenson seconds.

824
00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:48,870
 I'll look for questions or comments on the motion

825
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:59,270
.

826
00:37:59,270 --> 00:38:01,850
 I don't see anyone wishing to speak.

827
00:38:01,850 --> 00:38:05,770
 Councilor Trassel.

828
00:38:05,770 --> 00:38:07,070
 - Thank you through the chair.

829
00:38:07,070 --> 00:38:08,210
 I'm not a member of the committee.

830
00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:10,260
 I'm just making comments as a guest.

831
00:38:10,260 --> 00:38:11,720
 I'll keep them very brief.

832
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:14,350
 Would this allow additional office,

833
00:38:14,350 --> 00:38:16,540
 this would allow additional office space in the

834
00:38:16,540 --> 00:38:18,110
 area?

835
00:38:18,110 --> 00:38:30,560
 - I'll go to staff on that question.

836
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:31,430
 - Through the chair.

837
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:35,830
 So the policy changes do recognize existing

838
00:38:35,830 --> 00:38:38,670
 and silvery uses in light industrial areas.

839
00:38:38,670 --> 00:38:40,840
 And continuing in light industrial areas,

840
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,840
 You can have, based on size requirements, certain

841
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,980
 office uses.

842
00:38:47,980 --> 00:38:51,310
 The purpose is to recognize primarily existing

843
00:38:51,310 --> 00:38:54,980
 make-ups of industrial areas because provincial

844
00:38:54,980 --> 00:38:58,190
 policy changes have identified non-industrial

845
00:38:58,190 --> 00:39:01,000
 uses as not being permitted unless they are

846
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,990
 ancillary to an industrial area.

847
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:07,240
 The commercial industrial question that came up

848
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:10,540
 separately is not the same type of instance.

849
00:39:10,540 --> 00:39:12,270
 they are primarily commercial areas,

850
00:39:12,270 --> 00:39:14,270
 but not mainstream types of commercials.

851
00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:16,920
 We have met with that applicant,

852
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,470
 but they did not make an application

853
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:19,620
 for an official plan amendment.

854
00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:22,010
 So it wasn't considered as part of the scope of

855
00:39:22,010 --> 00:39:22,750
 this,

856
00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:25,010
 which was intended to recognize changes

857
00:39:25,010 --> 00:39:26,990
 to provincial policy.

858
00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:28,050
 - Counselor.

859
00:39:28,050 --> 00:39:29,030
 - Thank you through the chair.

860
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:32,930
 With the type of ancillary uses here,

861
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:35,810
 the uses that would be competing

862
00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:38,970
 with commercial office space providers in the

863
00:39:38,970 --> 00:39:40,600
 court.

864
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,890
 - I'll go stop.

865
00:39:43,890 --> 00:39:44,710
 - Through the chair.

866
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:47,940
 There are size limitations on office uses.

867
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:51,950
 And the purpose is to target office uses

868
00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:56,520
 to those main course notes and corridors.

869
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,500
 And that is the purpose of maintaining

870
00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:00,530
 especially service types of office being

871
00:40:00,530 --> 00:40:01,880
 in other sorts of locations.

872
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,550
 And these are being primarily for the kinds of

873
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:04,980
 commercial

874
00:40:04,980 --> 00:40:06,890
 and small scale office that may be

875
00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:09,450
 ancillary to industrial uses or of a scale

876
00:40:09,450 --> 00:40:11,180
 that does not compete with with those

877
00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:13,480
 other primary downtown types areas.

878
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,300
 - Councilor.

879
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:16,250
 through the chair more directly than is their

880
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:17,860
 attention

881
00:40:17,860 --> 00:40:21,760
 between allowing these additional uses

882
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,970
 and our policy of trying to grapple

883
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:28,000
 with the very serious problem of downtown

884
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,020
 vacancies.

885
00:40:29,020 --> 00:40:33,950
 - I'll go to staff.

886
00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:36,590
 - Through the chair, those are the purposes

887
00:40:36,590 --> 00:40:39,450
 of maintaining size limitations and types of

888
00:40:39,450 --> 00:40:40,050
 offices.

889
00:40:40,050 --> 00:40:45,440
 So some are more, you know, traveling public

890
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:45,850
 generating

891
00:40:45,850 --> 00:40:47,190
 as opposed to ones that are tied

892
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:50,570
 to the types of uses within those areas.

893
00:40:50,570 --> 00:40:53,930
 Councilor is finally my last question is through

894
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:55,820
 the chair is there is there anything in these

895
00:40:55,820 --> 00:40:58,580
 guidelines that would require some showing that

896
00:40:58,580 --> 00:41:01,520
 there be something particular about this part of

897
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,220
 town of the suburban area of town or this this

898
00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:08,240
 part of Northwest London that that would cut down

899
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,810
 on on trips or could could anybody be renting

900
00:41:10,810 --> 00:41:17,830
 these places I'll go stop through the chair so as

901
00:41:17,830 --> 00:41:20,620
 currently zone they're not permitted the size and

902
00:41:20,620 --> 00:41:23,040
 scale of them and the the uses are limited to

903
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:23,350
 what

904
00:41:23,350 --> 00:41:27,070
 is permitted by the zoning by-law through rethink

905
00:41:27,070 --> 00:41:29,070
 zoning, they are being re-evaluated,

906
00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:32,090
 but the general character of type of office is

907
00:41:32,090 --> 00:41:34,790
 intended to do that and recognize those

908
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:37,970
 that are more in keeping with the industrial and

909
00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:41,130
 quasi-industrial versus those that are

910
00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:42,700
 more public facing on main streets.

911
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:44,750
 And there are policy requirements about those

912
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:47,110
 within commercial industrial areas being located

913
00:41:47,110 --> 00:41:49,690
 on arterial roads for those purposes.

914
00:41:49,690 --> 00:41:50,820
 Councillor?

915
00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:52,120
 Thank you.

916
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,120
 Nothing else.

917
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,120
 Thank you.

918
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,070
 - Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair.

919
00:41:56,070 --> 00:41:58,730
 I just wanna, through you, give my thanks to

920
00:41:58,730 --> 00:41:59,130
 staff.

921
00:41:59,130 --> 00:42:03,030
 I know staff did a lot of intensive conversations

922
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:05,260
 with the community prior to the PPM.

923
00:42:05,260 --> 00:42:07,330
 I'm glad the public is out today

924
00:42:07,330 --> 00:42:09,130
 expressing their comments as well,

925
00:42:09,130 --> 00:42:12,070
 but as we align our policies and update them,

926
00:42:12,070 --> 00:42:15,100
 I just wanna pass on my thanks to staff.

927
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:16,600
 - Thank you, other comments or questions?

928
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,770
 Councilor Allen.

929
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:19,890
 - Thank you and through you.

930
00:42:19,890 --> 00:42:21,870
 Yep, I wanted to start with the thank you to

931
00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:22,620
 staff as well

932
00:42:22,620 --> 00:42:25,240
 for the work they're doing on addressing

933
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:28,100
 the employment area policy review.

934
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:30,120
 Specific to the Hyde Park area,

935
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,950
 I wanna thank Alia Richardson, Richard, sorry.

936
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:36,930
 And Mr. Raines, Ross Raines,

937
00:42:36,930 --> 00:42:38,750
 for coming today to speak to this issue.

938
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:41,410
 I know it's something that we've had previous

939
00:42:41,410 --> 00:42:41,960
 discussions

940
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:42,950
 about as well.

941
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:47,810
 This is a very unique part of the city

942
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:52,870
 with this unique light industrial zoning

943
00:42:53,860 --> 00:42:57,770
 that continues to be part of the area,

944
00:42:57,770 --> 00:43:00,810
 which is kind of going through a regeneration as

945
00:43:00,810 --> 00:43:01,400
 well.

946
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,400
 We're seeing a lot of change,

947
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,550
 some to residential in the area.

948
00:43:05,550 --> 00:43:09,300
 We're seeing some desirability

949
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:12,170
 for more of this office commercial.

950
00:43:12,170 --> 00:43:16,280
 Is the rethinking zoning process the best place

951
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,560
 for these discussions to happen?

952
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,670
 Or is a site specific policy the best way to

953
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:22,420
 address it?

954
00:43:22,420 --> 00:43:25,460
 and wondering if staff can provide more input on

955
00:43:25,460 --> 00:43:26,650
 that.

956
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:27,490
 - I'll go to staff.

957
00:43:27,490 --> 00:43:28,930
 - Thank you through the chair.

958
00:43:28,930 --> 00:43:31,120
 My suggestion would be the applicant make an

959
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:31,970
 application

960
00:43:31,970 --> 00:43:33,230
 for an official plan amendment.

961
00:43:33,230 --> 00:43:35,630
 And we could look at it in a more comprehensive

962
00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:36,090
 manner

963
00:43:36,090 --> 00:43:39,440
 and what the range of uses could entail in this

964
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:39,800
 area.

965
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,130
 And then certainly the zoning would match

966
00:43:42,130 --> 00:43:45,660
 the policy framework subject to council approval.

967
00:43:45,660 --> 00:43:47,760
 - Councilor.

968
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,220
 - Thank you and through you.

969
00:43:50,220 --> 00:43:52,500
 So for the applicant to do so,

970
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:54,330
 one, it's quite a lengthy process,

971
00:43:54,330 --> 00:43:58,840
 but it also engages in having to find a tenant

972
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,990
 that's willing to kind of stay with you

973
00:44:00,990 --> 00:44:03,150
 while you go through that process

974
00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:07,440
 to re-imagine what it could be and how it could

975
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:07,770
 be used.

976
00:44:07,770 --> 00:44:09,370
 And that's part of the challenge, I think,

977
00:44:09,370 --> 00:44:12,400
 is that you have tenants maybe that are

978
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,360
 interested,

979
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,310
 but to take them through that process

980
00:44:15,310 --> 00:44:17,310
 while they wait to see whether or not that

981
00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:19,020
 approval happens,

982
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:22,970
 It requires quite a bit of commitment and long-

983
00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:24,650
term planning.

984
00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:28,280
 Is there another way that staff might be able to

985
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:28,970
 look at this,

986
00:44:28,970 --> 00:44:32,440
 or is that the only way, and is this something

987
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,080
 we're thinking about with rethinking zoning?

988
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,070
 - Oh, good staff.

989
00:44:36,070 --> 00:44:37,700
 Thank you through the chair.

990
00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:40,260
 To review an official plan amendment, it's 120

991
00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:40,900
 days.

992
00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:43,510
 So that's not a very lengthy process, as we've

993
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:44,070
 heard.

994
00:44:44,070 --> 00:44:46,820
 And certainly we would like to entertain

995
00:44:46,820 --> 00:44:48,420
 what the applicant's looking for

996
00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:50,750
 and what those range of uses are.

997
00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:54,210
 - Councilor. - Thank you.

998
00:44:54,210 --> 00:44:56,430
 - Other comments or questions?

999
00:44:56,430 --> 00:44:58,200
 We have a motion moved and seconded, we'll call

1000
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:09,600
 the vote.

1001
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,590
 - Seeing the vote, the motion carries five to

1002
00:45:11,590 --> 00:45:13,540
 zero.

1003
00:45:13,540 --> 00:45:18,210
 - Okay, moving on to 3.3, this is regarding 1837,

1004
00:45:18,210 --> 00:45:20,350
 Churchill Avenue.

1005
00:45:20,350 --> 00:45:22,640
 We will open the vote to open the public

1006
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:35,000
 participation meeting.

1007
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,630
 - Wasn't the vote, the motion carries five to

1008
00:45:37,630 --> 00:45:38,390
 zero.

1009
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:39,960
 - I see someone at the microphone already.

1010
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,050
 Please sir, give us your name and you have five

1011
00:45:42,050 --> 00:45:43,610
 minutes.

1012
00:45:43,610 --> 00:45:45,240
 - Thank you through you, Chair.

1013
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:46,630
 My name is Jamie Robertson.

1014
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:49,800
 I'm from Strict Baldwin only Moniz SPM here in

1015
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,540
 London

1016
00:45:50,540 --> 00:45:53,480
 as a planner representing Al Taco for this file.

1017
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,340
 I'd like to thank you for your time today

1018
00:45:55,340 --> 00:45:58,040
 as well as the PEC members and the visiting

1019
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,200
 counselors.

1020
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,200
 For this application, there is a site plan

1021
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:02,730
 application

1022
00:46:02,730 --> 00:46:07,830
 that is in process to increase the existing use

1023
00:46:07,830 --> 00:46:11,830
 at the site 1837 Churchill Avenue.

1024
00:46:11,830 --> 00:46:14,990
 For that, it was determined that a private school

1025
00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:15,310
 use

1026
00:46:15,310 --> 00:46:17,480
 is not currently permitted on the site

1027
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,610
 and as such a minor zoning by-law would be

1028
00:46:20,610 --> 00:46:21,620
 necessary.

1029
00:46:21,620 --> 00:46:24,960
 So we've also added into that as a private school

1030
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,640
 for a permitted additional use.

1031
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,930
 We have a front yard depth allowance of 3.5

1032
00:46:31,930 --> 00:46:32,710
 meters

1033
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:35,000
 and that Merlin Crescent be recognized

1034
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,000
 as the front yard lot line

1035
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,280
 as opposed to the Edmonton Street frontage

1036
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,590
 that would otherwise be the front lot line.

1037
00:46:43,590 --> 00:46:45,820
 The entire property including the access

1038
00:46:45,820 --> 00:46:48,520
 at Edmonton Street would also be rezoned to the

1039
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,270
 same NF zone,

1040
00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:52,370
 removing the previous residential zone

1041
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:54,260
 on that small strip of land,

1042
00:46:54,260 --> 00:46:55,910
 that otherwise would not be able

1043
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:59,610
 to accommodate a single detached home.

1044
00:46:59,610 --> 00:47:01,420
 A couple of notes with this application

1045
00:47:01,420 --> 00:47:04,190
 is we know historically there have been traffic

1046
00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:04,510
 issues,

1047
00:47:04,510 --> 00:47:05,850
 especially on Maryland Crescent

1048
00:47:05,850 --> 00:47:08,300
 and a lot of the local streets surrounding.

1049
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:11,210
 The idea and intent of this site plan

1050
00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:14,820
 is to provide much larger on-site parking areas

1051
00:47:14,820 --> 00:47:16,840
 that would help reduce that impact,

1052
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,550
 take these cars off of Merlin Crescent,

1053
00:47:19,550 --> 00:47:22,180
 accessing through Edmonton Street.

1054
00:47:22,180 --> 00:47:25,110
 There would no longer be any regular vehicle

1055
00:47:25,110 --> 00:47:26,100
 access

1056
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:27,820
 to Merlin Crescent.

1057
00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:31,200
 The only remaining vehicle association

1058
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,830
 would be dedicated bus parking along Merlin

1059
00:47:34,830 --> 00:47:35,530
 Crescent,

1060
00:47:35,530 --> 00:47:38,280
 and then access towards the back for garbage

1061
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:38,860
 collection,

1062
00:47:38,860 --> 00:47:43,620
 which wouldn't happen on a consistent basis.

1063
00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:46,050
 The new Edmonton Street access

1064
00:47:46,050 --> 00:47:47,920
 through the site plan process is seen

1065
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,870
 as meeting all of the safety requirements

1066
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:52,700
 for site lines and distances.

1067
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:55,560
 It would include a stop sign to control the

1068
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:56,040
 access

1069
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,840
 and make the Edmonton Street along with Churchill

1070
00:47:58,840 --> 00:47:59,300
 Avenue,

1071
00:47:59,300 --> 00:48:01,650
 a full regulated intersection,

1072
00:48:01,650 --> 00:48:06,220
 ensuring that there is specific safety addresses

1073
00:48:06,220 --> 00:48:08,650
 for vehicles to access and leave the site

1074
00:48:08,650 --> 00:48:11,060
 as well as pedestrian safety.

1075
00:48:11,060 --> 00:48:14,060
 And finally, the operational hours of the school

1076
00:48:14,060 --> 00:48:17,570
 are generally Monday to Friday, 730 to 330.

1077
00:48:17,570 --> 00:48:20,650
 Traffic impact study was done with the site visit

1078
00:48:20,650 --> 00:48:23,440
 during the peak hours to notice the impacts

1079
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,250
 on Merlin Crescent at the current time in local

1080
00:48:26,250 --> 00:48:26,990
 streets.

1081
00:48:26,990 --> 00:48:29,500
 And it was determined that the access

1082
00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:31,490
 being provided through Edmonton Street

1083
00:48:31,490 --> 00:48:36,000
 is the main north-south connection between Will

1084
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:36,240
well

1085
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:39,510
 and Dundas and would greatly reduce the impacts

1086
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:42,260
 that are currently being felt on Merlin Crescent.

1087
00:48:42,260 --> 00:48:44,780
 again, that's going through the site plan process

1088
00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:44,880
.

1089
00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:47,770
 So specifically before us are the permitted uses

1090
00:48:47,770 --> 00:48:50,950
 for the additional permitted use for private

1091
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:51,520
 school,

1092
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,320
 the front yard setback reduction,

1093
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,340
 and the entire site rezoning with Merlin Crescent

1094
00:48:56,340 --> 00:48:58,040
 being the front lot line.

1095
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:58,990
 Should there be any questions?

1096
00:48:58,990 --> 00:49:02,280
 I'd love to do my best to address them.

1097
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,300
 Thank you.

1098
00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:04,120
 - Thank you.

1099
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:09,120
 I'll look for other speakers this item.

1100
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,290
 Please ma'am, give us your name and you have five

1101
00:49:11,290 --> 00:49:11,820
 minutes.

1102
00:49:11,820 --> 00:49:12,650
 - Thank you.

1103
00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:15,610
 My name's Linda Davis and I live one house away

1104
00:49:15,610 --> 00:49:17,290
 from El Talkway.

1105
00:49:17,290 --> 00:49:22,020
 I, currently, the traffic that was noted on

1106
00:49:22,020 --> 00:49:23,060
 Merlin

1107
00:49:23,060 --> 00:49:25,940
 is a nightmare.

1108
00:49:25,940 --> 00:49:29,020
 It is really, really difficult.

1109
00:49:29,020 --> 00:49:32,010
 Now, I know that that might change with the

1110
00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:32,560
 school

1111
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,880
 being coming off of Edmonton Street.

1112
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:41,510
 But the continue to have bus access off of Merlin

1113
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:41,610
,

1114
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:43,530
 I think, is still a problem.

1115
00:49:43,530 --> 00:49:47,320
 Merlin is never, I don't think was ever an actual

1116
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:48,800
 street,

1117
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,880
 it is like a laneway, it's, I don't know the

1118
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:52,430
 width of it,

1119
00:49:52,430 --> 00:49:55,350
 but it's not, it doesn't seem wide enough.

1120
00:49:55,350 --> 00:49:58,820
 There are no curbs, grass is quite long

1121
00:49:58,820 --> 00:50:02,470
 on the sides of the road and it makes it really

1122
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:03,380
 difficult

1123
00:50:03,380 --> 00:50:06,920
 as a pedestrian dog walker and person in the

1124
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:07,460
 neighborhood

1125
00:50:07,460 --> 00:50:09,680
 to get around.

1126
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,940
 Last night I was coming home from an event at 10.

1127
00:50:12,940 --> 00:50:13,830
20

1128
00:50:13,830 --> 00:50:18,760
 And the school bus was parked in the parking area

1129
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,440
 where they're saying it's still going to be

1130
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,250
 happening.

1131
00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:27,430
 And there were so many cars waiting to pick up

1132
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:27,910
 the students

1133
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:30,230
 that I couldn't get through.

1134
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:31,630
 I was stuck.

1135
00:50:31,630 --> 00:50:34,660
 They were parked three across the street in both

1136
00:50:34,660 --> 00:50:35,690
 directions.

1137
00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:38,820
 And I'm just shocked that somebody hasn't been

1138
00:50:38,820 --> 00:50:39,260
 hurt.

1139
00:50:39,260 --> 00:50:42,630
 I think that far more traffic studies need to be

1140
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:43,040
 done.

1141
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,640
 and I would speak against this expansion of the

1142
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:46,840
 school.

1143
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,010
 - Thank you, I'll look for other speakers.

1144
00:50:51,010 --> 00:50:54,670
 Last click, if there's anyone online,

1145
00:50:54,670 --> 00:50:55,990
 there's nobody online.

1146
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:57,930
 I don't see anyone else approaching the

1147
00:50:57,930 --> 00:50:59,700
 microphones,

1148
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:12,460
 so we'll call the vote to close the PPM.

1149
00:51:12,460 --> 00:51:14,630
 - Losing the vote, the motion carries five to

1150
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:15,080
 zero.

1151
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,870
 - Okay, I'll put this on the floor for our

1152
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:18,060
 committee.

1153
00:51:18,060 --> 00:51:19,680
 Councilor Cuddy.

1154
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,210
 - Thank you, staff all.

1155
00:51:21,210 --> 00:51:22,340
 Thank you Chair, I'll move the staff

1156
00:51:22,340 --> 00:51:23,010
 recommendation.

1157
00:51:23,010 --> 00:51:25,930
 - Thank you, look for a seconder.

1158
00:51:25,930 --> 00:51:28,970
 Councilor Stevenson, we have a motion moved

1159
00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:32,040
 second, I'll look for any comments or questions.

1160
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,070
 Deputy Mayor Lewis, please go

1161
00:51:36,070 --> 00:51:41,890
 ahead. Thank you chair. So I'm gonna state first

1162
00:51:41,890 --> 00:51:44,280
 as people generally know that I

1163
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,330
 live on way valve. Although that's true, I am not

1164
00:51:48,330 --> 00:51:51,100
 with the notification zone for

1165
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:54,320
 this application, so I don't have any conflict as

1166
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,800
 a homeowner. I will say as a

1167
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,100
 word counselor though, I cannot support this

1168
00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:02,130
 application. While I appreciate

1169
00:52:02,130 --> 00:52:04,630
 Al Paco wanting to move away from Portables and

1170
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:05,720
 get students into a

1171
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:11,430
 building proper. I have tremendous concern about

1172
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:15,120
 the traffic assessment. The Edmonton

1173
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:20,340
 Street access is approximately 8.1 meters. If you

1174
00:52:20,340 --> 00:52:22,970
 allow 3 lanes or 3 meters per lane,

1175
00:52:22,970 --> 00:52:26,380
 that's 6 meters right there. A 1.6 meter walkway

1176
00:52:26,380 --> 00:52:31,560
 gets you to 7.6. That leaves 0.4 meters for

1177
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,700
 fencing, retaining walls, anything there. And

1178
00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:38,030
 immediately on the other side of the property

1179
00:52:38,030 --> 00:52:40,530
 line, you have a residential driveway. So I'm

1180
00:52:40,530 --> 00:52:43,290
 concerned about the access there. I also

1181
00:52:43,290 --> 00:52:45,840
 share Ms. Davis concern and I've heard from a

1182
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,330
 number of residents in that Park Ave, Merlin

1183
00:52:49,330 --> 00:52:54,030
 Crescent area, the same concerns. Since Altauqua

1184
00:52:54,030 --> 00:52:57,000
 has taken possession of this property, the

1185
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:57,460
 traffic

1186
00:52:57,460 --> 00:53:01,080
 has been an absolute nightmare. The school bus

1187
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,390
 service, as was mentioned, buses are parked on

1188
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:06,390
 the property overnight. So I think that this is

1189
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:08,580
 actually being run as a private service, not a

1190
00:53:08,580 --> 00:53:11,610
 yellow bus service. I'm not sure that the

1191
00:53:11,610 --> 00:53:13,940
 maintaining the buses on our land is going to

1192
00:53:13,940 --> 00:53:17,220
 address the

1193
00:53:17,220 --> 00:53:20,660
 residents' traffic concerns, especially when we

1194
00:53:20,660 --> 00:53:23,780
 hear examples from the neighbors of buses coming

1195
00:53:23,780 --> 00:53:26,510
 home from wherever the students were on presuming

1196
00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:30,620
 some sort of field trip and still blocking the

1197
00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:34,240
 roadways for pickup at 9, 10 o'clock at night at

1198
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:37,310
 times. I think this is an over-intensification

1199
00:53:37,310 --> 00:53:41,730
 of the site. I am concerned as well about the

1200
00:53:41,730 --> 00:53:44,700
 private access on Edmonton and how that interacts

1201
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:46,830
 with East Lions Community Center, which is at

1202
00:53:46,830 --> 00:53:50,660
 Edmonton and Churchill. We have seen an increase

1203
00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:52,580
 in traffic of course on Edmonton since the

1204
00:53:52,580 --> 00:53:55,100
 Community Center opened. That's great news

1205
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:55,200
 because the

1206
00:53:55,170 --> 00:53:58,730
 Community Center is well used and well loved. But

1207
00:53:58,730 --> 00:54:01,930
 to start putting all of that school traffic

1208
00:54:01,930 --> 00:54:04,680
 through on Edmonton through an eight meter access

1209
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,970
, I have serious concerns about and I have

1210
00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:08,430
 concerns

1211
00:54:08,430 --> 00:54:10,720
 about the plan in general and what's happening to

1212
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:12,450
 the neighborhood. I want to confirm as well

1213
00:54:12,450 --> 00:54:15,110
 the comments that we heard from Miss Davis.

1214
00:54:15,110 --> 00:54:17,750
 Merlin Crescent has no curves and gutters.

1215
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:21,100
 If it weren't for the good neighbors, cleaning

1216
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:24,010
 some of the catch basins in the spring,

1217
00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:27,100
 and sometimes even after they've cleaned them,

1218
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:28,990
 there's so much leaf fall from the mature trees,

1219
00:54:28,990 --> 00:54:31,460
 which are lovely to have, but we have flooding

1220
00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:34,890
 issues there. Requests have to go into service

1221
00:54:34,890 --> 00:54:39,030
 London to get those catch basins cleared. As much

1222
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:40,670
 as the neighbors try their best to keep them

1223
00:54:40,670 --> 00:54:43,660
 there, they can't always keep up. People have

1224
00:54:43,660 --> 00:54:46,580
 lives and it's not really up to them beyond being

1225
00:54:46,580 --> 00:54:50,110
 a good neighbor to clear those catch basins. So

1226
00:54:50,110 --> 00:54:53,300
 for those reasons, I just think that this is

1227
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:56,140
 an over-intensification of the site and we're

1228
00:54:56,140 --> 00:54:58,310
 also talking about a site that's not just

1229
00:54:58,310 --> 00:54:59,420
 focusing on

1230
00:54:59,420 --> 00:55:03,770
 being a school. It also offers prayer services

1231
00:55:03,770 --> 00:55:06,970
 throughout the week and on the weekends. So that

1232
00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:11,510
 traffic doesn't stop at 3.30 and it doesn't stop

1233
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:14,710
 on Friday afternoon. It's a

1234
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:19,210
 seven-day a week site where people are coming and

1235
00:55:19,210 --> 00:55:22,620
 going and the dual use the

1236
00:55:22,620 --> 00:55:26,560
 increased traffic and the plan as is to keep the

1237
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,690
 buses on Marlin is something

1238
00:55:28,690 --> 00:55:30,520
 that I just as the word counselor I've heard from

1239
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:31,510
 my residents I will not

1240
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:34,700
 support it. Thank you. I look for other comments

1241
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:39,600
 or questions. Seeing none we have

1242
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,340
 a motion moved and second I'll call the vote.

1243
00:55:41,340 --> 00:55:59,360
 Seeing the vote the motion fails two

1244
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:05,500
 to three moving on to three point four this is

1245
00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:06,870
 regarding two four nine six

1246
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:12,070
 Dundas Street I'll open the vote to open the PPM

1247
00:56:12,070 --> 00:56:22,660
 closing the vote the motion

1248
00:56:22,660 --> 00:56:26,370
 carries five to zero thank you all look for the

1249
00:56:26,370 --> 00:56:27,650
 applicant if the applicant would

1250
00:56:27,650 --> 00:56:30,020
 like to address the committee please sir give us

1251
00:56:30,020 --> 00:56:31,170
 your name you have five minutes

1252
00:56:31,170 --> 00:56:33,530
 my name is Eric Steele I'm planning with Monty

1253
00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:35,540
 Brown planning consultants here

1254
00:56:35,540 --> 00:56:37,470
 path for a client Rosewood Grove Limited who is

1255
00:56:37,470 --> 00:56:38,720
 the owner and developer of the

1256
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:41,290
 subject lands. These lands were

1257
00:56:41,290 --> 00:56:44,010
 re-designated last year through OPA 116

1258
00:56:44,010 --> 00:56:47,020
 from Light Industrial to Neighborhoods Place type

1259
00:56:47,020 --> 00:56:47,120
.

1260
00:56:47,020 --> 00:56:48,330
 And so the purpose of this application

1261
00:56:48,330 --> 00:56:50,630
 is to really align the current zoning of the

1262
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:51,110
 property

1263
00:56:51,110 --> 00:56:53,130
 with that re-designation.

1264
00:56:53,130 --> 00:56:54,310
 And so let's facilitate the development

1265
00:56:54,310 --> 00:56:57,940
 of 73 townhouse units on the property.

1266
00:56:57,940 --> 00:57:00,560
 We believe that this re-zoning would be

1267
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,410
 appropriate works and property development for

1268
00:57:02,410 --> 00:57:03,010
 these lands

1269
00:57:03,010 --> 00:57:05,190
 and provide opportunities to issues housing

1270
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:05,580
 options

1271
00:57:05,580 --> 00:57:07,950
 within this area of the city.

1272
00:57:07,950 --> 00:57:10,230
 I also like to note that there's a concurrent

1273
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:10,690
 site plan

1274
00:57:10,690 --> 00:57:12,990
 control application that has been submitted

1275
00:57:12,990 --> 00:57:14,170
 as currently in third submission.

1276
00:57:14,170 --> 00:57:16,620
 So many of the technical elements and concerns

1277
00:57:16,620 --> 00:57:18,040
 with staff have already been addressed

1278
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,630
 through those processes.

1279
00:57:19,630 --> 00:57:21,300
 And so in summary, we have reviewed staff's

1280
00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:21,650
 report

1281
00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:23,990
 and by-law and are supportive of staff's

1282
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:24,430
 recommendation

1283
00:57:24,430 --> 00:57:26,050
 to approve the application.

1284
00:57:26,050 --> 00:57:27,900
 We thank staff for the work in processing this

1285
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:28,150
 file

1286
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:29,790
 and happy answering any questions and members of

1287
00:57:29,790 --> 00:57:31,050
 the committee.

1288
00:57:31,050 --> 00:57:31,840
 - Thank you.

1289
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,350
 I'll look for other speakers, like to address

1290
00:57:35,350 --> 00:57:37,860
 this item.

1291
00:57:37,860 --> 00:57:40,820
 I'll ask Clerk if there's anyone online.

1292
00:57:40,820 --> 00:57:42,720
 There's nobody online.

1293
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:47,500
 They don't see anyone approaching the microphone.

1294
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:50,600
 So I'll open the vote to close the public

1295
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:59,850
 participation meeting.

1296
00:57:59,850 --> 00:58:02,180
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries five to

1297
00:58:02,180 --> 00:58:02,800
 zero.

1298
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,660
 - Okay, I'll put this item out for committee.

1299
00:58:05,660 --> 00:58:09,020
 - I'd be prepared to move that chair.

1300
00:58:09,020 --> 00:58:10,420
 - Deputy Mayor Lewis moves it.

1301
00:58:10,420 --> 00:58:12,790
 But for a seconder, Councilor Cuddy is seconding

1302
00:58:12,790 --> 00:58:13,370
 it.

1303
00:58:13,370 --> 00:58:20,790
 I'll look for discussion.

1304
00:58:20,790 --> 00:58:23,760
 Councilor or Deputy Mayor Lewis.

1305
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:24,550
 - Thank you, Chair.

1306
00:58:24,550 --> 00:58:25,870
 I'm gonna be brief.

1307
00:58:25,870 --> 00:58:28,200
 This is another one in ward two.

1308
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:29,870
 Very supportive of this application.

1309
00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:32,360
 I think there's a good plan, the applicants work

1310
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:32,820
 with staff

1311
00:58:32,820 --> 00:58:35,700
 to sort out some of the technical details.

1312
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:37,940
 And I think this would be a good use and a good

1313
00:58:37,940 --> 00:58:38,450
 opportunity

1314
00:58:38,450 --> 00:58:43,350
 for some residential infill in the East End.

1315
00:58:43,350 --> 00:58:46,560
 - Thank you, my further speakers.

1316
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:47,830
 Seeing none, we have a motion moved

1317
00:58:47,830 --> 00:58:58,800
 and seconded, we'll call the vote.

1318
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,690
 - Opposing the vote, the motion carries five to

1319
00:59:01,690 --> 00:59:02,870
 zero.

1320
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:05,070
 - Thank you, moving on to 3.5.

1321
00:59:05,070 --> 00:59:09,240
 This is regarding 221 Queens Avenue.

1322
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,240
 I'll open the vote to open the public

1323
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:23,450
 participation meeting.

1324
00:59:23,450 --> 00:59:25,570
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries five to

1325
00:59:25,570 --> 00:59:26,410
 zero.

1326
00:59:26,410 --> 00:59:28,200
 - Thank you, I'll go to you, sir.

1327
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,700
 Please give us your name, you have five minutes.

1328
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:31,680
 - Thank you, sir.

1329
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,770
 Good afternoon, Chair, members of the committee,

1330
00:59:33,770 --> 00:59:35,480
 Jay McGuffin, Principal Planner,

1331
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,760
 Montyth Brown Planning Consultants.

1332
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,320
 Here this afternoon on behalf of Sifton

1333
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:40,180
 Properties Limited,

1334
00:59:40,180 --> 00:59:44,270
 the owner of 221 Queens Ave.

1335
00:59:44,270 --> 00:59:45,690
 Our client is requesting approval

1336
00:59:45,690 --> 00:59:47,820
 to extend temporary zoning permissions

1337
00:59:47,820 --> 00:59:50,270
 for surface parking at 221 Queens Ave

1338
00:59:50,270 --> 00:59:52,600
 for an additional three years.

1339
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,310
 We've had an opportunity to review,

1340
00:59:54,310 --> 00:59:56,210
 just recently the staff report.

1341
00:59:56,210 --> 00:59:59,100
 The staff report is recommending refusal.

1342
00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:01,440
 We are requesting the committee grant,

1343
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,860
 the requested application.

1344
01:00:03,860 --> 01:00:05,980
 Siften has lawfully operated this site

1345
01:00:05,980 --> 01:00:09,030
 as surface parking since 1995.

1346
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:11,810
 The lot itself provides 67 parking spaces,

1347
01:00:11,810 --> 01:00:15,740
 65 of which are tied to active leasing contracts

1348
01:00:15,740 --> 01:00:18,380
 supporting their nearby office buildings.

1349
01:00:18,380 --> 01:00:21,400
 39 of those spaces are at 171 Queens Avenue,

1350
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,790
 which is at Richmond Street intersection.

1351
01:00:23,790 --> 01:00:27,320
 And 26 of those spaces are at 200 Queens Avenue

1352
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,740
 at Colburn Street.

1353
01:00:29,740 --> 01:00:31,630
 So for clarity, these are not surplus or

1354
01:00:31,630 --> 01:00:32,760
 speculative spaces.

1355
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,670
 They are contractually committed

1356
01:00:34,670 --> 01:00:36,590
 and essential to existing tendencies

1357
01:00:36,590 --> 01:00:41,180
 that SIPTIN has been working very diligently on.

1358
01:00:41,180 --> 01:00:43,650
 No need to provide a reminder on current market

1359
01:00:43,650 --> 01:00:44,200
 conditions,

1360
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,470
 but the downtown office market remains under

1361
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:48,300
 significant stress.

1362
01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:51,530
 As a result, CBC's article back in December of

1363
01:00:51,530 --> 01:00:52,830
 2025

1364
01:00:52,830 --> 01:00:54,580
 identified that the city of London

1365
01:00:54,580 --> 01:00:58,290
 the largest office vacancy rate in Canada.

1366
01:00:58,290 --> 01:00:59,660
 In this challenging environment,

1367
01:00:59,660 --> 01:01:01,740
 Siften has made substantial investments

1368
01:01:01,740 --> 01:01:03,430
 in their building upgrades.

1369
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:05,680
 They've undertaken actively three negotiations

1370
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,290
 to retain tenants, and they're working diligently

1371
01:01:08,290 --> 01:01:11,140
 to stabilize the occupancy in 171 Queen Street

1372
01:01:11,140 --> 01:01:12,860
 in particular.

1373
01:01:12,860 --> 01:01:14,980
 These efforts depend in part on reliable,

1374
01:01:14,980 --> 01:01:17,260
 accessible parking for their tenants and their

1375
01:01:17,260 --> 01:01:18,660
 employees.

1376
01:01:18,660 --> 01:01:20,250
 The importance of this parking lot,

1377
01:01:20,250 --> 01:01:22,080
 the subject lands are functionally integrated

1378
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:23,950
 with the surrounding office uses.

1379
01:01:23,950 --> 01:01:25,370
 In the removal of this parking,

1380
01:01:25,370 --> 01:01:27,760
 jeopardizes the existing lease agreements,

1381
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,660
 undermines tenant retention efforts,

1382
01:01:29,660 --> 01:01:33,220
 creates operational instability for both of these

1383
01:01:33,220 --> 01:01:33,840
 buildings,

1384
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,620
 and further weakens the downtown economic

1385
01:01:36,620 --> 01:01:37,600
 vitality.

1386
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:38,910
 This is especially critical,

1387
01:01:38,910 --> 01:01:41,010
 given that Siften is actively investing

1388
01:01:41,010 --> 01:01:42,960
 in downtown revitalization,

1389
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,970
 and has recently converted office space to

1390
01:01:44,970 --> 01:01:45,970
 residential space

1391
01:01:45,970 --> 01:01:48,590
 to adapt to changing market realities in the

1392
01:01:48,590 --> 01:01:50,220
 downtown.

1393
01:01:50,220 --> 01:01:52,290
 In response to the staff recommendation,

1394
01:01:52,290 --> 01:01:54,430
 staff have suggested refusal

1395
01:01:54,430 --> 01:01:56,890
 for the purposes of incentivizing redevelopment

1396
01:01:56,890 --> 01:01:58,220
 of the property.

1397
01:01:58,220 --> 01:02:00,220
 Respectfully, this approach is misaligned

1398
01:02:00,220 --> 01:02:02,210
 with the current market conditions.

1399
01:02:02,210 --> 01:02:04,950
 This is not a viable redevelopment window.

1400
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:07,650
 Office demand is currently very weak.

1401
01:02:07,650 --> 01:02:17,790
 Financing conditions remain difficult.

1402
01:02:17,790 --> 01:02:20,310
 Vacancy rates are persistently high.

1403
01:02:20,310 --> 01:02:23,130
 Enforcing the removal of a productive improved

1404
01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:23,570
 parking

1405
01:02:23,570 --> 01:02:26,150
 asset would not trigger immediate redevelopment.

1406
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:28,240
 Instead, it will result in a vacant or underutil

1407
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:28,450
ized

1408
01:02:28,450 --> 01:02:31,950
 site downtown and it will harm not help the

1409
01:02:31,950 --> 01:02:34,250
 downtown overall. In conclusion on

1410
01:02:34,250 --> 01:02:36,790
 behalf of our client we respectfully request that

1411
01:02:36,790 --> 01:02:37,930
 the committee approve the

1412
01:02:37,930 --> 01:02:39,880
 extension of the temporary service parking

1413
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:41,270
 permission for another three

1414
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:43,540
 years. I thank you. I'm available to respond to

1415
01:02:43,540 --> 01:02:45,430
 any questions. Thank you. I look

1416
01:02:45,430 --> 01:02:49,910
 for other speakers this item. I'll ask clerk if

1417
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:57,580
 there's anyone online. There's

1418
01:02:57,580 --> 01:02:59,870
 nobody online and I don't see anyone approaching

1419
01:02:59,870 --> 01:03:01,120
 the microphones so we will

1420
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:14,580
 call the vote to close the PPM. Closing the vote

1421
01:03:14,580 --> 01:03:17,020
 the motion carries 5 to 0. I'll go

1422
01:03:17,020 --> 01:03:19,940
 - Go to Deputy Mayor Lewis.

1423
01:03:19,940 --> 01:03:21,010
 - Thank you, Chair.

1424
01:03:21,010 --> 01:03:23,970
 Through the clerk, I circulated a motion earlier

1425
01:03:23,970 --> 01:03:26,260
 notwithstanding the staff recommendation

1426
01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:28,150
 that the extension be approved.

1427
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:29,740
 I believe if you want to confirm

1428
01:03:29,740 --> 01:03:32,040
 that I have a seconder in Councilor Hillyer,

1429
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,180
 once that's on the floor, I'll speak to it.

1430
01:03:34,180 --> 01:03:35,170
 - Thank you.

1431
01:03:35,170 --> 01:03:37,550
 I have confirmed confirmation of Councilor Hill

1432
01:03:37,550 --> 01:03:37,730
yer's

1433
01:03:37,730 --> 01:03:38,560
 seconding.

1434
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,790
 I'm just going to make sure the clerk has the

1435
01:03:40,790 --> 01:03:42,220
 wording

1436
01:03:42,220 --> 01:03:45,030
 that she can put into e-scribe.

1437
01:03:45,030 --> 01:03:46,660
 Okay, should be up.

1438
01:03:46,660 --> 01:03:49,530
 Go ahead, please, Deputy Mayor.

1439
01:03:49,530 --> 01:03:50,360
 - Thank you, Chair.

1440
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,120
 So in moving the extension on this one,

1441
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,050
 I think it's really important to share.

1442
01:03:55,050 --> 01:03:57,110
 I reached out to the applicant,

1443
01:03:57,110 --> 01:04:00,120
 received some information from them.

1444
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,640
 Vacancy rate at 171 Queens right now, 48%.

1445
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,910
 At 200 Queens, vacancy rate is 22%.

1446
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:11,740
 At one London place, it's 27%.

1447
01:04:11,740 --> 01:04:14,290
 Tenants at all three of those locations,

1448
01:04:14,290 --> 01:04:15,830
 Canadian Mental Health Association,

1449
01:04:15,830 --> 01:04:17,210
 Bank of Nova Scotia,

1450
01:04:17,210 --> 01:04:22,670
 architects, Tillman, Ruth Robinson,

1451
01:04:22,670 --> 01:04:26,280
 Joan and Grant Thornton LLP.

1452
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,210
 These folks are using the parking lot

1453
01:04:28,210 --> 01:04:31,000
 as the representative for the app communicated.

1454
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,010
 These are not speculative.

1455
01:04:33,010 --> 01:04:35,840
 These are leased spaces attached to existing

1456
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:36,280
 leases

1457
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,720
 to keep our commercial vacancy rate from getting

1458
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:39,740
 worse.

1459
01:04:39,740 --> 01:04:42,020
 This law is not sitting vacant.

1460
01:04:42,020 --> 01:04:44,930
 It is being utilized by folks who are coming to

1461
01:04:44,930 --> 01:04:45,250
 work

1462
01:04:45,250 --> 01:04:49,960
 in our commercial office spaces in the downtown.

1463
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,690
 We also know we're working with the genuine

1464
01:04:51,690 --> 01:04:52,740
 partner here

1465
01:04:52,740 --> 01:04:56,520
 in Siften, who just completed with the Anglican

1466
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:57,620
 Diocese,

1467
01:04:57,620 --> 01:05:00,620
 the first office to residential conversion

1468
01:05:00,620 --> 01:05:04,840
 with homes unlimited running a new 94 unit

1469
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,420
 affordable housing project,

1470
01:05:06,420 --> 01:05:10,810
 a block away up on Duffer Nav.

1471
01:05:10,810 --> 01:05:12,990
 If they had an opportunity for redevelopment

1472
01:05:12,990 --> 01:05:13,380
 right now,

1473
01:05:13,380 --> 01:05:14,680
 they'd be moving on it.

1474
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,390
 They're moving on properties

1475
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:18,440
 that they have in the downtown

1476
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,690
 and with partners that they have in the downtown.

1477
01:05:20,690 --> 01:05:22,410
 But this is not a market

1478
01:05:22,410 --> 01:05:25,960
 where we can be removing parking at this point.

1479
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:30,010
 we have actually municipal parking at 185 Queens

1480
01:05:30,010 --> 01:05:31,130
 Ave

1481
01:05:31,130 --> 01:05:33,510
 that we put out an RFP for redevelopment

1482
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:37,120
 as a municipality and we did not get any

1483
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,250
 qualifying offers back.

1484
01:05:40,250 --> 01:05:42,180
 The opportunity to redevelop these surface

1485
01:05:42,180 --> 01:05:42,730
 parking lots

1486
01:05:42,730 --> 01:05:45,870
 on Queens Ave is just not there right now.

1487
01:05:45,870 --> 01:05:48,200
 And to jeopardize commercial leases that could be

1488
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:49,050
 terminated

1489
01:05:49,050 --> 01:05:50,680
 because parking was part of the lease

1490
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,090
 and we removed the parking,

1491
01:05:53,090 --> 01:05:56,150
 then the folks on the lease may have grounds to

1492
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:57,310
 terminate

1493
01:05:57,310 --> 01:05:58,670
 and create more office vacancy.

1494
01:05:58,670 --> 01:06:00,310
 I just think that that would be a really bad move

1495
01:06:00,310 --> 01:06:01,300
 right now.

1496
01:06:01,300 --> 01:06:03,600
 I also think that this actually conforms

1497
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,640
 to the temporary use evaluations

1498
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,820
 given the circumstances that we have in the

1499
01:06:08,820 --> 01:06:09,350
 downtown.

1500
01:06:09,350 --> 01:06:12,010
 So for those reasons, I'm moving that

1501
01:06:12,010 --> 01:06:13,870
 notwithstanding

1502
01:06:13,870 --> 01:06:16,030
 the recommendation of the Director of Planning

1503
01:06:16,030 --> 01:06:18,410
 that we approve a three-year extension on this

1504
01:06:18,410 --> 01:06:19,980
 site.

1505
01:06:19,980 --> 01:06:20,770
 - Thank you.

1506
01:06:20,770 --> 01:06:22,320
 I look for other speakers.

1507
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,940
 Many members are Councillor Stevenson.

1508
01:06:24,940 --> 01:06:25,770
 - Thank you.

1509
01:06:25,770 --> 01:06:27,400
 I'll just say that I'm happy to see this come

1510
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:27,810
 forward.

1511
01:06:27,810 --> 01:06:30,990
 It's an obvious path for us, I think.

1512
01:06:30,990 --> 01:06:32,720
 given the conditions of our downtown

1513
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,190
 and the need for parking,

1514
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:38,730
 just to appreciate all of the businesses

1515
01:06:38,730 --> 01:06:41,400
 that are downtown still and happy to support this

1516
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:42,810
.

1517
01:06:42,810 --> 01:06:46,370
 - Thank you, other comments?

1518
01:06:46,370 --> 01:06:50,450
 Councillor Trussell.

1519
01:06:50,450 --> 01:06:53,120
 - Thank you, to the chair.

1520
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,970
 Is there a definition in the Planning Act

1521
01:06:55,970 --> 01:06:59,180
 of the word, quote, temporary?

1522
01:06:59,180 --> 01:07:14,730
 - I'll go to staff.

1523
01:07:14,730 --> 01:07:16,160
 - Through the chair, I don't believe

1524
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:17,540
 there's a specific definition,

1525
01:07:17,540 --> 01:07:19,910
 but I will note that the temporary use provisions

1526
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:23,830
 section 39 of the Planning Act limit temporary

1527
01:07:23,830 --> 01:07:25,290
 use by-laws to a maximum of

1528
01:07:25,290 --> 01:07:29,570
 three years. Councillor. And what year was this

1529
01:07:29,570 --> 01:07:31,940
 first adopted for three year

1530
01:07:31,940 --> 01:07:33,780
 that the three year reference? What was the first

1531
01:07:33,780 --> 01:07:37,620
 year? I'll go and stop. Through

1532
01:07:37,620 --> 01:07:41,470
 the chair the parking lot has existed since 1995.

1533
01:07:41,470 --> 01:07:44,590
 Councillor. Okay so I believe

1534
01:07:44,590 --> 01:07:48,560
 and I believe it's a recognized rule very simple

1535
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:49,540
 rule of statutory

1536
01:07:49,540 --> 01:07:52,400
 construction that says when there's not a

1537
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:56,250
 specific definition in a measure like

1538
01:07:56,250 --> 01:07:58,720
 the Planning Act we would then resort to the

1539
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,270
 common everyday plane meeting

1540
01:08:01,270 --> 01:08:04,990
 usage and I've gone through some of the diction

1541
01:08:04,990 --> 01:08:06,570
aries and I could sit here and

1542
01:08:06,570 --> 01:08:10,160
 read all of the definitions in dictionaries but

1543
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,730
 it's pretty much along the

1544
01:08:12,730 --> 01:08:18,000
 lines of lasting for just a second Councilor.

1545
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:24,500
 Councilor Cuddy thank you

1546
01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:28,220
 chair and through you. We have a long docket and

1547
01:08:28,220 --> 01:08:29,240
 I appreciate the fact that

1548
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:30,810
 Councillor Trossa was going to give us a

1549
01:08:30,810 --> 01:08:32,000
 dictionary explanation of the word

1550
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,150
 temporary but I don't think at this stage we need

1551
01:08:34,150 --> 01:08:35,960
 it. I think we just have to make

1552
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:40,030
 a decision on this. Thank you. Well, Councillor,

1553
01:08:40,030 --> 01:08:41,590
 I'm going to let

1554
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:45,420
 Councillor Trossa go ahead with all due respect.

1555
01:08:45,420 --> 01:08:47,960
 I think this is part of the

1556
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,720
 discussion because it has been renewed a number

1557
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,260
 of times so I'm going to allow

1558
01:08:52,260 --> 01:08:55,860
 him to continue. Go ahead, Councillor. Thank you

1559
01:08:55,860 --> 01:08:58,840
 very much to the chair. We do

1560
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,770
 have to have this discussion and we do have to

1561
01:09:00,770 --> 01:09:02,070
 talk about what we mean by the

1562
01:09:02,070 --> 01:09:05,770
 word temporary this is not a temporary use this

1563
01:09:05,770 --> 01:09:09,040
 is a permanent use it's just

1564
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,110
 it's just over it's too long this is not a

1565
01:09:12,110 --> 01:09:15,460
 temporary use we have people come to

1566
01:09:15,460 --> 01:09:18,340
 these chambers every meeting every planning

1567
01:09:18,340 --> 01:09:21,540
 committee meeting begging us to

1568
01:09:21,540 --> 01:09:24,560
 take a little bit off some of the applications

1569
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:25,960
 that have come forward and

1570
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,040
 we're told persistently time and time again we

1571
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,290
 have to do this we have to we

1572
01:09:32,290 --> 01:09:34,340
 We have to increase the density.

1573
01:09:34,340 --> 01:09:35,850
 We have to increase the height.

1574
01:09:35,850 --> 01:09:38,240
 We're going to hear it a couple of times tonight

1575
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,500
 because we need housing.

1576
01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:44,240
 We cannot continue to use prime, developable

1577
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:48,530
 space downtown right on a transit corridor

1578
01:09:48,530 --> 01:09:50,900
 where you don't have an adjacent residential

1579
01:09:50,900 --> 01:09:52,980
 neighborhood that's going to raise some of

1580
01:09:52,980 --> 01:09:55,190
 the things that adjacent residential

1581
01:09:55,190 --> 01:09:57,210
 neighborhoods often raise.

1582
01:09:57,210 --> 01:10:00,460
 We need to build housing here and we are never

1583
01:10:00,460 --> 01:10:05,380
 going to build housing here if we persistently,

1584
01:10:05,380 --> 01:10:10,330
 If we persistently, time after time,

1585
01:10:10,330 --> 01:10:13,580
 can you with this temporary use fiction?

1586
01:10:13,580 --> 01:10:16,150
 This is not a temporary use.

1587
01:10:16,150 --> 01:10:17,610
 This is a permanent use,

1588
01:10:17,610 --> 01:10:20,250
 and there is a huge opportunity cost

1589
01:10:20,250 --> 01:10:23,110
 for allowing surface parking here.

1590
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:26,840
 So I will be supporting the staff recommendation

1591
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:27,920
 at council,

1592
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,380
 and I would urge my colleagues to do so.

1593
01:10:30,380 --> 01:10:31,810
 Thank you.

1594
01:10:31,810 --> 01:10:32,600
 - Thank you.

1595
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:34,600
 I'll look for other comments for questions.

1596
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,120
 Council approval.

1597
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:37,500
 - Thank you.

1598
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:39,830
 We can discuss, I'm just going to make some

1599
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:40,880
 comments.

1600
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,910
 We can discuss dictionary, permanent.

1601
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:45,720
 We can discuss temporary.

1602
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,270
 But I think that one important thing

1603
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:51,000
 is the most important one, which is the reality.

1604
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,310
 If you talk to anyone who wants to open up a

1605
01:10:53,310 --> 01:10:54,050
 business

1606
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:56,740
 or offices downtown, number two issues

1607
01:10:56,740 --> 01:11:00,380
 are safety together with security and parking.

1608
01:11:00,380 --> 01:11:02,530
 Safety and security, as we know,

1609
01:11:02,530 --> 01:11:04,480
 even though we have introduced certain

1610
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:05,150
 initiatives,

1611
01:11:05,150 --> 01:11:07,460
 we are far from being perfect.

1612
01:11:07,460 --> 01:11:11,510
 we need this parking lot, as we heard before,

1613
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:12,900
 from the applicant.

1614
01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:16,070
 It's already from the existing tenants,

1615
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:19,550
 which is supporting the lease and potential

1616
01:11:19,550 --> 01:11:19,910
 releases,

1617
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:22,040
 and potentially we would be even higher,

1618
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:25,460
 over 30% of our vacancy.

1619
01:11:25,460 --> 01:11:30,390
 So again, even though it does say temporary use,

1620
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:32,520
 even though there's a certain limit, we heard

1621
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:33,370
 three years,

1622
01:11:33,370 --> 01:11:35,520
 but I think really we have to realize the facts

1623
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:36,030
 of life

1624
01:11:36,030 --> 01:11:38,830
 and the reality and the reality is that we need

1625
01:11:38,830 --> 01:11:39,230
 it.

1626
01:11:39,230 --> 01:11:43,940
 We cannot jeopardize any other businesses or

1627
01:11:43,940 --> 01:11:44,430
 office space

1628
01:11:44,430 --> 01:11:47,260
 or whatever it is to move downtown.

1629
01:11:47,260 --> 01:11:49,650
 And as we heard, if I look at actually

1630
01:11:49,650 --> 01:11:51,330
 at our applications where we approve

1631
01:11:51,330 --> 01:11:53,280
 during the last three and a half years,

1632
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,010
 certainly downtown in terms of the units

1633
01:11:56,010 --> 01:11:57,550
 is a very high number.

1634
01:11:57,550 --> 01:11:59,980
 So it's not that we are not pushing downtown.

1635
01:11:59,980 --> 01:12:03,970
 It's not like the individuals that are coming in

1636
01:12:03,970 --> 01:12:04,520
 the gallery

1637
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:08,430
 are speaking only in terms of the downtown. No,

1638
01:12:08,430 --> 01:12:11,070
 it's from the old ERS of London, but I want to

1639
01:12:11,070 --> 01:12:11,540
 say

1640
01:12:11,540 --> 01:12:15,380
 what's in front of us. At the council, I will 100

1641
01:12:15,380 --> 01:12:18,490
% support it. I want to jeopardize downtown.

1642
01:12:18,490 --> 01:12:21,650
 I want downtown to become sky is the limit and

1643
01:12:21,650 --> 01:12:24,660
 this is part of it. Be absolutely needed in this

1644
01:12:24,660 --> 01:12:30,250
 case. Deputy Mayor Lewis. Yeah, thank you, Chair.

1645
01:12:30,250 --> 01:12:32,130
 Sorry to have to come back on this, but I think

1646
01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:34,020
 There's a couple comments that were made that

1647
01:12:34,020 --> 01:12:38,750
 need to be addressed here as as staff indicated

1648
01:12:38,750 --> 01:12:43,420
 we can only renew on a temporary basis for three

1649
01:12:43,420 --> 01:12:46,950
 years. That doesn't dictate the overall

1650
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:49,300
 number of years that a property can be used for

1651
01:12:49,300 --> 01:12:51,490
 that purpose. It just means that every three

1652
01:12:51,490 --> 01:12:51,680
 years

1653
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,230
 they have to come back and ask us again. There is

1654
01:12:55,230 --> 01:12:58,180
 an if being noted in my motion that indicates

1655
01:12:58,180 --> 01:12:59,080
 that

1656
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,350
 could be noted the applicant is not looking for

1657
01:13:02,350 --> 01:13:04,890
 an OPA an official plan amendment right now

1658
01:13:04,890 --> 01:13:07,850
 to make this permanent, which they could do

1659
01:13:07,850 --> 01:13:12,210
 because they may look for a redevelopment

1660
01:13:12,210 --> 01:13:12,750
 proposal

1661
01:13:12,750 --> 01:13:16,920
 in the future here, but for now they need this as

1662
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,770
 parking. And when I hear comments, and I was

1663
01:13:19,770 --> 01:13:22,570
 going to call a point of order, but I decided not

1664
01:13:22,570 --> 01:13:24,810
 to, I decided to just wait and address the

1665
01:13:24,810 --> 01:13:27,820
 committee again, when I hear we need to make

1666
01:13:27,820 --> 01:13:31,980
 people build housing here, we cannot make people

1667
01:13:31,980 --> 01:13:35,940
 build anything on their private property. We have

1668
01:13:35,940 --> 01:13:38,400
 zoning that can restrict what's on a property,

1669
01:13:39,290 --> 01:13:41,840
 We have height limits that can restrict what it

1670
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,070
 looks like, but we cannot make people take their

1671
01:13:45,070 --> 01:13:48,370
 private money and build housing on land that they

1672
01:13:48,370 --> 01:13:51,440
 own. And as I indicated in my first round of

1673
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:55,420
 comments, this applicant has actually just worked

1674
01:13:55,420 --> 01:13:58,820
 with the Anglican Diocese on Dufferinav to

1675
01:13:58,820 --> 01:13:59,430
 convert

1676
01:13:59,430 --> 01:14:02,150
 some commercial to residential. They're helping

1677
01:14:02,150 --> 01:14:04,870
 bring housing to the core, but they need this

1678
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:07,040
 parking to retain their commercial tendencies.

1679
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:08,790
 And as much as we need housing in the park,

1680
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:11,600
 we also need a vibrant commercial district in the

1681
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,100
 car. We need people coming to work, we need

1682
01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:16,510
 people coming to shop in the car, and those

1683
01:14:16,510 --> 01:14:20,200
 people are going to require partnering. So here

1684
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:20,510
 we have

1685
01:14:20,510 --> 01:14:22,640
 an instance where parking is being utilized by

1686
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,430
 existing tenants and the applicant is asking for

1687
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:28,640
 another three-year extension. So I want to

1688
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:32,170
 emphasize that on any of these properties, on any

1689
01:14:32,170 --> 01:14:32,400
 of the

1690
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:36,680
 items on our dock today, whether you support or

1691
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,630
 oppose them, we cannot make private land owners

1692
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:43,880
 build anything. If their money, they choose

1693
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:46,010
 whether to invest or not and how to invest it

1694
01:14:46,010 --> 01:14:48,440
 moving forward. So I just think that that had to

1695
01:14:48,440 --> 01:14:50,520
 be underlying because when I hear we have to

1696
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,340
 make 30 seconds here, that is not within our pur

1697
01:14:53,340 --> 01:14:56,960
view. Thank you, Councilor Cuddy.

1698
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,720
 Thank you, Chair, and through you, siftans have

1699
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,200
 been one of our best corporate citizens

1700
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,160
 for the past 80 years. They build when they can,

1701
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,720
 they build when they can lease, they're creative,

1702
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:12,390
 they're they have great ingenuity when they build

1703
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:14,920
. As Deputy Mayor Lewis just pointed out,

1704
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,580
 they they worked cooperatively with the Anglican

1705
01:15:17,580 --> 01:15:20,580
 Diocese for affordable housing projects. This is

1706
01:15:20,580 --> 01:15:23,740
 the company that has moved this city forward for

1707
01:15:23,740 --> 01:15:27,680
 the past 80 years. If they could build this and

1708
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,490
 lease it out chair, they would. If there was if

1709
01:15:30,490 --> 01:15:32,640
 there was a need for it, they would build.

1710
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:36,090
 So with all due respect, I will be supporting

1711
01:15:36,090 --> 01:15:39,370
 this the amendment that Deputy Mayor Lewis put

1712
01:15:39,370 --> 01:15:41,870
 forward. Thank you. I look for other comments or

1713
01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:48,440
 questions. Councillor ramen.

1714
01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:50,850
 thank you and through you so appreciate the

1715
01:15:50,850 --> 01:15:54,090
 discussion here and I'll be honest I'm a bit

1716
01:15:54,090 --> 01:15:57,390
 torn on this one I appreciate sifton's position

1717
01:15:57,390 --> 01:16:00,690
 the need for additional parking for their current

1718
01:16:00,690 --> 01:16:05,170
 tenants and for other downtown office and

1719
01:16:05,170 --> 01:16:09,730
 commercial uses or spaces but at the same time I

1720
01:16:09,730 --> 01:16:10,100
 also

1721
01:16:10,100 --> 01:16:15,020
 understand that we have looked at this property

1722
01:16:15,020 --> 01:16:18,210
 for future development and that staff have

1723
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,590
 shared their thoughts that this hinders and

1724
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:22,630
 delays the long-term

1725
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:25,470
 redevelopment. I'm wondering just actually a

1726
01:16:25,470 --> 01:16:28,060
 question with respect to the

1727
01:16:28,060 --> 01:16:32,530
 motion itself. Under the it being noted, the it

1728
01:16:32,530 --> 01:16:34,280
 being noted has been changed to

1729
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:39,640
 be, has taken the wording that was in the

1730
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,240
 original motion and it's changed that

1731
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,720
 wording to correspond with the notwithstanding

1732
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,500
 and I'm just wondering if

1733
01:16:47,500 --> 01:16:52,840
 if that is correct.

1734
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,970
 - I don't know whether I should go to staff

1735
01:16:54,970 --> 01:16:58,400
 or the clerk on that one.

1736
01:16:58,400 --> 01:16:59,690
 I'll try the staff first,

1737
01:16:59,690 --> 01:17:01,570
 but if you want to defer to the clerk,

1738
01:17:01,570 --> 01:17:07,360
 I'm fine with that too.

1739
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:11,300
 - Through the chair, as this is not withstanding,

1740
01:17:11,300 --> 01:17:13,720
 it is up to yourselves to decide

1741
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,510
 whether you want to remove some of those pieces.

1742
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:17,640
 I think that it being noted probably doesn't

1743
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:18,450
 necessarily

1744
01:17:18,450 --> 01:17:21,110
 apply unless the mover did intend that language.

1745
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:23,540
 So it completely up to yourselves

1746
01:17:23,540 --> 01:17:25,120
 to be able to decide whether that wording is

1747
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:26,200
 appropriate.

1748
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:31,410
 Councilor thank you so just further to that the

1749
01:17:31,410 --> 01:17:32,900
 it being noted says that the

1750
01:17:32,900 --> 01:17:36,490
 request conforms the established policies of the

1751
01:17:36,490 --> 01:17:38,740
 London plan so I guess I

1752
01:17:38,740 --> 01:17:42,270
 just want to be clear that staff said one thing

1753
01:17:42,270 --> 01:17:44,350
 in the motion that was put

1754
01:17:44,350 --> 01:17:48,950
 forward in draft form with this application this

1755
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:51,710
 is now contrary so I

1756
01:17:51,710 --> 01:17:54,130
 believe the it being noted has to come out well

1757
01:17:54,130 --> 01:17:57,080
 again I'll go to staff but if you

1758
01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:00,040
 want to go to the clerk I understand. Thank you

1759
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,630
 through the chair I'll qualify

1760
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:06,180
 this as notwithstanding the staff recommendation

1761
01:18:06,180 --> 01:18:07,650
 and and the mover the

1762
01:18:07,650 --> 01:18:11,000
 motion would have to provide rational reasons for

1763
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,870
 the notwithstanding and the

1764
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:16,440
 the direction forward so that's why whether it

1765
01:18:16,440 --> 01:18:19,290
 being noted is in or out there

1766
01:18:19,290 --> 01:18:21,490
 still needs to be a rationale and with the

1767
01:18:21,490 --> 01:18:23,550
 reasons for that which could be

1768
01:18:23,550 --> 01:18:28,600
 contrary to the staff position. I'll go to the m

1769
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:33,610
over if he would like to weigh in here. Yes,

1770
01:18:33,610 --> 01:18:38,470
 chair. So as Miss McNeely just indicated, you

1771
01:18:38,470 --> 01:18:42,450
 have to put those things in. Under part one of

1772
01:18:42,450 --> 01:18:46,000
 the first it being noted. Yes, it's my opinion

1773
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,050
 that it does conform with the evaluation criteria

1774
01:18:49,050 --> 01:18:52,120
 for temporary use bylaws. So staff and I have a

1775
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:58,450
 different opinion on that. And so I think where

1776
01:18:58,450 --> 01:19:01,550
 we got hung up perhaps is the language with the

1777
01:19:01,550 --> 01:19:05,040
 it being noted. I think that the council's point

1778
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:09,730
 is accurate so after the planning act no further

1779
01:19:09,730 --> 01:19:14,620
 notice be given semicolon I think that the it

1780
01:19:14,620 --> 01:19:18,680
 being noted that should come out and it should

1781
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:21,390
 just say the above noted amendment is being

1782
01:19:21,390 --> 01:19:23,880
 recommended for the following reasons which are

1783
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:29,760
 my reasons not steps. Okay thank you councilor.

1784
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,720
 - Thank you, that addresses my concern.

1785
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:36,420
 - Okay, thank you.

1786
01:19:36,420 --> 01:19:39,020
 - So if there's the consent from the committee,

1787
01:19:39,020 --> 01:19:39,440
 Mr. Chair,

1788
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:41,390
 if we can just have the clerk make that minor

1789
01:19:41,390 --> 01:19:42,470
 language tweak.

1790
01:19:42,470 --> 01:20:02,910
 - Okay, I'll also clerk to do that.

1791
01:20:02,910 --> 01:20:07,370
 Okay, it should be refreshed on your screen.

1792
01:20:07,370 --> 01:20:10,430
 Please check that that you're comfortable as a m

1793
01:20:10,430 --> 01:20:17,910
over.

1794
01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:22,660
 Thumbs up and Councillor Hill here as a seconder.

1795
01:20:22,660 --> 01:20:23,460
 Thumbs up too.

1796
01:20:23,460 --> 01:20:25,940
 Okay, so that's been changed.

1797
01:20:25,940 --> 01:20:30,750
 Look for any further discussion on this item.

1798
01:20:30,750 --> 01:20:32,040
 We have a motion moved and seconded.

1799
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:52,450
 We'll call the vote.

1800
01:20:52,450 --> 01:20:59,540
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries six to

1801
01:20:59,540 --> 01:21:00,930
 zero.

1802
01:21:00,930 --> 01:21:03,770
 - Thank you, moving ahead to item 3.6.

1803
01:21:03,770 --> 01:21:08,720
 This is regarding 1057 to 1061 Richmond Street.

1804
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:28,870
 We will call the vote to open the--

1805
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:34,780
 - Mayor Morgan, closing the vote,

1806
01:21:34,780 --> 01:21:37,440
 the motion carries six to zero.

1807
01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:39,510
 - Thank you, I'll go to the applicant.

1808
01:21:39,510 --> 01:21:41,200
 The applicant's here, please give us your name.

1809
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,220
 You have five minutes.

1810
01:21:43,220 --> 01:21:45,020
 - Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, members of committee

1811
01:21:45,020 --> 01:21:45,120
.

1812
01:21:45,100 --> 01:21:47,600
 Mike Davis with civic here on behalf of our

1813
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:48,000
 client,

1814
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:49,430
 Roar Premier Homes.

1815
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:52,600
 Roar Premier Homes has acquired this property

1816
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,560
 Richmond Street, it's the former Robinson

1817
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,940
 Memorial United Church prominent

1818
01:21:56,940 --> 01:22:00,620
 heritage building in and around the Western

1819
01:22:00,620 --> 01:22:03,810
 campus. This project has had a

1820
01:22:03,810 --> 01:22:06,600
 lengthy planning history. It's currently sitting

1821
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:08,190
 in an unfinished state, so

1822
01:22:08,190 --> 01:22:12,040
 Robert Merholm's is very excited to be able to

1823
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:13,990
 bring this project to a

1824
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:15,930
 completion, bring it to fruition, and these

1825
01:22:15,930 --> 01:22:17,730
 amendments are important to help

1826
01:22:17,730 --> 01:22:21,080
 them enable that. A couple of points that I want

1827
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,760
 to make, we do, we are in full agreement

1828
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,420
 with the staff recommendation report. Of course,

1829
01:22:26,420 --> 01:22:28,240
 I appreciate their help in bringing these

1830
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:32,390
 amendments forward quickly. At the outset of this

1831
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:34,640
 project, we did deliver notice to all

1832
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:38,310
 properties within 120 meters of the site. We did

1833
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:40,560
 set up a project website to share the

1834
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,230
 information about the project and invite

1835
01:22:43,230 --> 01:22:47,010
 neighbors to contact us if there was questions. I

1836
01:22:47,010 --> 01:22:47,290
 do

1837
01:22:47,290 --> 01:22:49,750
 appreciate that as I alluded to there's been a

1838
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:50,950
 lengthy planning history with

1839
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:54,080
 this project and I appreciate that in 2013 there

1840
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:55,910
 was a very significant

1841
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:59,680
 investment by the neighbors financial and time-

1842
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,270
wise towards previous

1843
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:06,320
 amendments and Terry Land Tribunal or OMB

1844
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,850
 hearings so we do respect that but

1845
01:23:08,850 --> 01:23:11,970
 one thing I do want to make very certain is I do

1846
01:23:11,970 --> 01:23:14,290
 want to kind of dispel any

1847
01:23:14,290 --> 01:23:16,580
 notion that there has not been any changes to the

1848
01:23:16,580 --> 01:23:17,910
 planning framework since

1849
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:20,310
 that time there have been very significant

1850
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:23,220
 changes to the planning framework which directly

1851
01:23:23,220 --> 01:23:26,020
 underpin and enable these amendments.

1852
01:23:26,020 --> 01:23:28,710
 A few examples would be firstly the London plant

1853
01:23:28,710 --> 01:23:30,900
 coming into force and effect which saw

1854
01:23:30,900 --> 01:23:33,580
 these lands redesignated from low density

1855
01:23:33,580 --> 01:23:37,070
 residential in the 1989 official plan to urban

1856
01:23:37,070 --> 01:23:38,540
 corridor.

1857
01:23:38,540 --> 01:23:40,360
 There have been two new versions of the

1858
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:43,030
 provincial planning statement both of which in my

1859
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:43,210
 opinion

1860
01:23:43,210 --> 01:23:45,950
 further support, residential intensification,

1861
01:23:45,950 --> 01:23:48,900
 housing, adaptive reuse of commercial

1862
01:23:48,900 --> 01:23:51,740
 and institutional properties in areas well served

1863
01:23:51,740 --> 01:23:52,530
 by transit.

1864
01:23:52,530 --> 01:23:55,890
 And then lastly, and potentially most impactfully

1865
01:23:55,890 --> 01:23:55,990
,

1866
01:23:55,890 --> 01:24:00,040
 in 2022, the city made significant changes

1867
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,070
 to parking rates for residential uses.

1868
01:24:03,070 --> 01:24:05,110
 All of those things, as I mentioned,

1869
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:07,780
 underpin and support these amendments.

1870
01:24:07,780 --> 01:24:10,660
 And that's why they are able to be brought

1871
01:24:10,660 --> 01:24:11,060
 forward

1872
01:24:11,060 --> 01:24:13,010
 and recommended for approval by staff

1873
01:24:13,010 --> 01:24:14,570
 at this time.

1874
01:24:14,570 --> 01:24:16,940
 If there's any questions for members of committee

1875
01:24:16,940 --> 01:24:17,040
,

1876
01:24:16,940 --> 01:24:18,860
 our team is here to help answer those.

1877
01:24:18,860 --> 01:24:19,940
 Thank you.

1878
01:24:19,940 --> 01:24:20,760
 - Thank you.

1879
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:21,920
 I'll look to members of public,

1880
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:29,250
 would like to address the committee.

1881
01:24:29,250 --> 01:24:30,770
 Please, ma'am, give us your name, you have five

1882
01:24:30,770 --> 01:24:31,130
 minutes.

1883
01:24:31,130 --> 01:24:32,030
 - I will.

1884
01:24:32,030 --> 01:24:32,870
 Okay.

1885
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:34,420
 Hi, I'm Mary Ann Kolihan.

1886
01:24:34,420 --> 01:24:37,450
 I am one of the neighbors to Robinson Memorial

1887
01:24:37,450 --> 01:24:37,890
 Church,

1888
01:24:37,890 --> 01:24:41,590
 and I have, unfortunately or unfortunately as a

1889
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:42,110
 neighbor,

1890
01:24:42,110 --> 01:24:46,180
 been two council on two previous occasions

1891
01:24:46,180 --> 01:24:49,880
 to have a discussion about activities on that

1892
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:50,380
 property

1893
01:24:50,380 --> 01:24:53,550
 and as well, I was part of one of the parties

1894
01:24:53,550 --> 01:24:56,340
 at the OMB in 2013.

1895
01:24:56,340 --> 01:24:58,970
 It's a great, beautiful property.

1896
01:24:58,970 --> 01:25:03,040
 It is on one of the key arterial roads

1897
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:07,840
 that lead from downtown to the university gates.

1898
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:12,830
 So much planning, so many planning documents

1899
01:25:13,390 --> 01:25:17,250
 around the Old North community, with its emphasis

1900
01:25:17,250 --> 01:25:18,890
 on heritage,

1901
01:25:18,890 --> 01:25:22,880
 have been a part of understanding what

1902
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,110
 is wanted for our neighborhood.

1903
01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:27,140
 As well, we know that we are part of a near-

1904
01:25:27,140 --> 01:25:28,660
campus neighborhood.

1905
01:25:28,660 --> 01:25:32,960
 And there is that town and gown struggle.

1906
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,080
 And we live it on our street.

1907
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:36,630
 We have student homes on our street,

1908
01:25:36,630 --> 01:25:40,320
 but our street is very small, exceptionally

1909
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:41,290
 awkward.

1910
01:25:41,290 --> 01:25:44,940
 It is a dead end, very narrow, set up.

1911
01:25:44,940 --> 01:25:46,730
 You know, a lot of the number of the homes

1912
01:25:46,730 --> 01:25:49,070
 are from the 19th century, whether it was farms.

1913
01:25:49,070 --> 01:25:51,610
 There's a lane way that goes behind the church.

1914
01:25:51,610 --> 01:25:56,290
 There have been an unusual number of city trucks,

1915
01:25:56,290 --> 01:25:57,720
 buses,

1916
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:00,120
 and other large vehicles that have gotten stuck

1917
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:00,890
 on our street

1918
01:26:00,890 --> 01:26:02,080
 over the years.

1919
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,470
 In 2013, we made a movie about it.

1920
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:08,010
 I have slide shows.

1921
01:26:08,010 --> 01:26:09,560
 There's no room.

1922
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,580
 There is simply no room to negotiate on our

1923
01:26:12,580 --> 01:26:13,420
 street.

1924
01:26:13,420 --> 01:26:16,120
 So now, we have this large church

1925
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,110
 with a very large parking lot.

1926
01:26:18,110 --> 01:26:20,300
 And apparently, the consultants will, I think,

1927
01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:22,530
 back this up, more parking than is probably

1928
01:26:22,530 --> 01:26:23,080
 required

1929
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:25,090
 for the number of units.

1930
01:26:25,090 --> 01:26:28,870
 We chose to go to the OMB, not because it was

1931
01:26:28,870 --> 01:26:29,130
 easy.

1932
01:26:29,130 --> 01:26:32,650
 And in fact, the OMB was not thought to be all

1933
01:26:32,650 --> 01:26:33,690
 that friendly

1934
01:26:33,690 --> 01:26:37,200
 to neighborhoods like ours who had a heritage

1935
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:37,640
 building

1936
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:42,350
 that they wanted to, they wanted to save and have

1937
01:26:42,350 --> 01:26:42,640
 reused.

1938
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:46,160
 We understood that this was a give and take

1939
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:47,190
 process.

1940
01:26:47,190 --> 01:26:51,190
 We entered into that process via the OMB

1941
01:26:51,190 --> 01:26:54,390
 with the developer who wanted as many,

1942
01:26:54,390 --> 01:26:59,300
 or almost as many units as the current,

1943
01:26:59,300 --> 01:27:04,100
 that Royal Premier Homes is asking for.

1944
01:27:04,100 --> 01:27:05,780
 We knew that was too much.

1945
01:27:05,780 --> 01:27:07,020
 It was too dense.

1946
01:27:07,020 --> 01:27:10,650
 It was going to overwhelm the street.

1947
01:27:10,650 --> 01:27:13,450
 And so we entered up, went to the OMB,

1948
01:27:13,450 --> 01:27:15,010
 and had this argument.

1949
01:27:15,010 --> 01:27:16,410
 One of the things that we wanted

1950
01:27:16,410 --> 01:27:18,930
 was to preserve the heritage of the building.

1951
01:27:18,930 --> 01:27:22,560
 That was one of our big asks.

1952
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,460
 They were asking for a lot of units.

1953
01:27:24,460 --> 01:27:27,000
 We met in the middle of what we wanted,

1954
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:28,000
 which was far less.

1955
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,160
 And we were hoping, at one point,

1956
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,110
 the developer was talking about

1957
01:27:32,110 --> 01:27:35,690
 high-end condos, senior citizens, mixed use in

1958
01:27:35,690 --> 01:27:36,190
 the back,

1959
01:27:36,190 --> 01:27:37,990
 like a lot of different things.

1960
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:43,180
 And we understood, given the dynamics in our

1961
01:27:43,180 --> 01:27:43,740
 neighborhood,

1962
01:27:43,740 --> 01:27:46,100
 that likely it was going to be student housing,

1963
01:27:46,100 --> 01:27:48,500
 and it continues to be student housing.

1964
01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:51,170
 But we went to the OMB, and we got this worked

1965
01:27:51,170 --> 01:27:51,700
 out.

1966
01:27:51,700 --> 01:27:55,170
 And we were happy because we thought

1967
01:27:55,170 --> 01:27:58,290
 the negotiation between us and the developer

1968
01:27:58,290 --> 01:28:05,160
 was a-- it was law, that we had an agreement,

1969
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,500
 and it was reasonable for both parties,

1970
01:28:07,500 --> 01:28:09,780
 and both parties could live with that.

1971
01:28:09,780 --> 01:28:13,500
 I can't speak to the development that's gone on

1972
01:28:13,500 --> 01:28:16,150
 or hasn't gone on in the last decade,

1973
01:28:16,150 --> 01:28:19,410
 plus it has been a Bob's Your Uncle series

1974
01:28:19,410 --> 01:28:23,620
 of people and organizations,

1975
01:28:23,620 --> 01:28:26,560
 and it hasn't been great.

1976
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,160
 And having a building sit for a while is not a

1977
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:29,660
 good thing,

1978
01:28:29,660 --> 01:28:33,790
 but it still needs to be right-sized.

1979
01:28:33,790 --> 01:28:37,190
 This is an important heritage structure.

1980
01:28:37,190 --> 01:28:41,360
 It is on an arterial road of great historic

1981
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:42,100
 importance

1982
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:44,840
 to London, and we are trying to protect it

1983
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:49,040
 while looking for an adaptive reuse.

1984
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,930
 We thought we had all of that settled in 2013,

1985
01:28:52,930 --> 01:28:56,620
 and then all of a sudden the OMB disappears in

1986
01:28:56,620 --> 01:28:58,040
 2025.

1987
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:00,320
 And it seems like this agreement

1988
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:04,150
 that we hammered out in good faith.

1989
01:29:04,150 --> 01:29:04,930
 - 30 seconds.

1990
01:29:04,930 --> 01:29:06,060
 - Threatened.

1991
01:29:06,060 --> 01:29:08,330
 So, what do I want?

1992
01:29:08,330 --> 01:29:09,420
 I want one thing.

1993
01:29:09,420 --> 01:29:14,450
 I want this committee and members of council

1994
01:29:14,450 --> 01:29:17,200
 and the staff to understand how much work has

1995
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:18,380
 gone into

1996
01:29:18,380 --> 01:29:22,150
 making this a safe development for our street.

1997
01:29:22,150 --> 01:29:24,250
 And I just want you to follow the rules

1998
01:29:24,250 --> 01:29:27,890
 that we hammered out in good faith.

1999
01:29:27,890 --> 01:29:29,590
 Thank you all very much for your time.

2000
01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:30,930
 - Thank you.

2001
01:29:30,930 --> 01:29:34,340
 I'll go to the next speaker.

2002
01:29:34,340 --> 01:29:35,520
 So you have the top mic there.

2003
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,140
 Please ma'am, go share your name and you have

2004
01:29:37,140 --> 01:29:37,460
 five minutes.

2005
01:29:37,460 --> 01:29:40,540
 My name is Diane Lejwa, and I live at 192 Sher

2006
01:29:40,540 --> 01:29:41,670
wood Ave.

2007
01:29:41,670 --> 01:29:45,050
 But I'm speaking on behalf of a neighbor who had

2008
01:29:45,050 --> 01:29:46,310
 to leave.

2009
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:47,970
 Is that allowed?

2010
01:29:47,970 --> 01:29:49,190
 Yeah, please go ahead.

2011
01:29:49,190 --> 01:29:50,170
 OK.

2012
01:29:50,170 --> 01:29:52,140
 My name is Steve Harris.

2013
01:29:52,140 --> 01:29:54,950
 I live at Sherwood Ave., two doors west of the

2014
01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:56,320
 church site.

2015
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,720
 My family supports the use of the church as a

2016
01:29:58,720 --> 01:29:59,730
 residence.

2017
01:29:59,730 --> 01:30:02,850
 The standing OMB decision permits that

2018
01:30:02,850 --> 01:30:03,530
 development

2019
01:30:03,530 --> 01:30:06,540
 to take place in a reasonable way.

2020
01:30:06,540 --> 01:30:08,510
 I would request that the planning committee

2021
01:30:08,510 --> 01:30:11,180
 support the former decision, not the current

2022
01:30:11,180 --> 01:30:13,000
 application.

2023
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,580
 Viability seems to be one of the key points

2024
01:30:15,580 --> 01:30:18,240
 supporting the application for an increase

2025
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,060
 in the number of residents.

2026
01:30:20,060 --> 01:30:22,600
 It appears that the numbers are about financial

2027
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:23,550
 benefit,

2028
01:30:23,550 --> 01:30:25,700
 not density.

2029
01:30:25,700 --> 01:30:29,320
 YOMB decision of 2013 allows for a reasonable

2030
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:29,630
 number

2031
01:30:29,630 --> 01:30:32,370
 of people to live at the church site

2032
01:30:32,370 --> 01:30:35,980
 along with the viable development.

2033
01:30:35,980 --> 01:30:39,440
 Couple of additional observations.

2034
01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:42,210
 I do not believe that the available space for

2035
01:30:42,210 --> 01:30:43,080
 this project

2036
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:45,730
 could accommodate additional residents

2037
01:30:45,730 --> 01:30:48,240
 without a significant number of people

2038
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:55,780
 having to live in the basement.

2039
01:30:55,780 --> 01:30:58,400
 Have you visited the basement of 100-year-old

2040
01:30:58,400 --> 01:30:58,790
 church

2041
01:30:58,790 --> 01:31:00,640
 in London, Ontario?

2042
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,460
 These are at best dark and damp places.

2043
01:31:03,460 --> 01:31:06,700
 You can improve the public spaces

2044
01:31:06,700 --> 01:31:09,720
 in an old church above grade,

2045
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:12,800
 but the basement simply can't be made fit

2046
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,010
 for long-term habitation.

2047
01:31:15,010 --> 01:31:16,300
 And so it follows.

2048
01:31:16,300 --> 01:31:18,100
 If people are meant to live in the basement

2049
01:31:18,100 --> 01:31:20,730
 of this development, we should all be very

2050
01:31:20,730 --> 01:31:21,520
 concerned.

2051
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:25,140
 It would simply not be safe for them.

2052
01:31:25,140 --> 01:31:29,760
 And this is on behalf of Steve Harris.

2053
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:31,300
 I'm sure it would happen.

2054
01:31:31,300 --> 01:31:32,410
 - Thank you.

2055
01:31:32,410 --> 01:31:36,000
 I'll look for the next speaker.

2056
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:36,900
 - Good afternoon.

2057
01:31:36,900 --> 01:31:38,310
 Give him a name of five minutes.

2058
01:31:38,310 --> 01:31:41,430
 - Michael Bax, I live on shore would have

2059
01:31:41,430 --> 01:31:43,200
 just down and across the street

2060
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:46,510
 from the proposed amendment change.

2061
01:31:46,510 --> 01:31:50,650
 And while I support the re-adaptive use

2062
01:31:50,650 --> 01:31:54,760
 of heritage buildings, this proposal is just

2063
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:55,450
 going too far.

2064
01:31:55,450 --> 01:31:59,600
 I mean, we're basically doubling the density here

2065
01:31:59,600 --> 01:31:59,700
.

2066
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:04,340
 And this kind of goes contrary to the London Plan

2067
01:32:04,340 --> 01:32:06,830
 because the London Plan also incorporates

2068
01:32:06,830 --> 01:32:10,660
 the near-campus neighborhood, which has a purpose

2069
01:32:10,660 --> 01:32:10,760
.

2070
01:32:10,660 --> 01:32:13,010
 And the purpose of that near-campus neighborhood

2071
01:32:13,010 --> 01:32:17,760
 is to protect the area of being close to the

2072
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:18,360
 university.

2073
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:20,550
 The London Plan speaks extensively

2074
01:32:20,550 --> 01:32:23,000
 about creating vibrant, diverse, and inclusive

2075
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:24,440
 communities.

2076
01:32:24,440 --> 01:32:26,150
 Near-campus neighborhood policies

2077
01:32:26,150 --> 01:32:27,810
 were developed in London and many other

2078
01:32:27,810 --> 01:32:29,850
 university cities

2079
01:32:29,850 --> 01:32:32,420
 to protect long-term viability diversity

2080
01:32:32,420 --> 01:32:34,560
 and character of neighborhoods near large

2081
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:35,470
 institutions.

2082
01:32:35,470 --> 01:32:37,890
 These policies recognize the pressures created

2083
01:32:37,890 --> 01:32:41,570
 by large transient student populations,

2084
01:32:41,570 --> 01:32:44,140
 including parking shortages, increased traffic

2085
01:32:44,140 --> 01:32:46,680
 and activity, noise and the risk of an unbalanced

2086
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:47,390
 demographic

2087
01:32:47,390 --> 01:32:51,170
 that can erode the stable residential areas

2088
01:32:51,170 --> 01:32:53,400
 and reduce housing options for families

2089
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:56,160
 and long-term residents.

2090
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:58,430
 Approving 17 units in this building

2091
01:32:58,430 --> 01:33:01,670
 will create an unbalanced demographic,

2092
01:33:01,670 --> 01:33:04,840
 heavily skewed towards student housing.

2093
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,230
 This will upset the adjacent low density

2094
01:33:07,230 --> 01:33:10,230
 neighborhood area

2095
01:33:10,230 --> 01:33:12,550
 and dwellings and converted buildings

2096
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:19,570
 that are currently used for people to live.

2097
01:33:19,570 --> 01:33:22,410
 Why are the near campus neighborhood restrictions

2098
01:33:22,410 --> 01:33:26,930
 not being meaningfully applied to this site?

2099
01:33:26,930 --> 01:33:29,210
 The site is clearly within the near campus in

2100
01:33:29,210 --> 01:33:30,990
 North Richmond

2101
01:33:30,990 --> 01:33:32,610
 Preservation segment.

2102
01:33:32,610 --> 01:33:36,070
 And these policies direct intensification

2103
01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:39,090
 to appropriate locations while protecting stable

2104
01:33:39,090 --> 01:33:39,770
 residential

2105
01:33:39,770 --> 01:33:40,880
 character.

2106
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:44,380
 Staff's recommendation appears to prioritize

2107
01:33:44,380 --> 01:33:45,340
 general corridor

2108
01:33:45,340 --> 01:33:49,670
 intensification over specific protective policies

2109
01:33:49,670 --> 01:33:52,650
 of the London plan in the near campus

2110
01:33:52,650 --> 01:33:53,940
 neighborhood.

2111
01:33:53,940 --> 01:33:55,890
 In my view, the city planning staff

2112
01:33:55,890 --> 01:33:58,920
 to be aired in recommending the approval of this

2113
01:33:58,920 --> 01:33:59,590
 application.

2114
01:33:59,590 --> 01:34:01,640
 The staff report does not sufficiently

2115
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:02,690
 demonstrate

2116
01:34:02,690 --> 01:34:06,300
 how nearly doubling the intensity to 94 units per

2117
01:34:06,300 --> 01:34:07,030
 hectare

2118
01:34:07,030 --> 01:34:09,430
 aligns with the clear direction of the London

2119
01:34:09,430 --> 01:34:10,210
 Plan

2120
01:34:10,210 --> 01:34:14,140
 for the protection, character, conservation

2121
01:34:14,140 --> 01:34:23,520
 of mature landscapes, and low density housing.

2122
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:27,890
 Another part of the London Plan under 962

2123
01:34:27,890 --> 01:34:31,290
 says, under the near campus neighborhood

2124
01:34:31,290 --> 01:34:32,600
 definition,

2125
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:36,290
 says clearly do not allow incremental changes in

2126
01:34:36,290 --> 01:34:40,020
 use, density, intensity, and lot size through

2127
01:34:40,020 --> 01:34:43,030
 zoning amendments, minor variances that add, add,

2128
01:34:43,030 --> 01:34:45,380
 add, add. And it goes on. And this is

2129
01:34:45,380 --> 01:34:47,960
 totally contrary to what's in their plans, and

2130
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:52,510
 they've ignored it. How can they be reasonable

2131
01:34:52,510 --> 01:34:56,440
 and when they ignore their own directives? Anyway

2132
01:34:56,440 --> 01:35:02,050
, so the other issue that they bring up is that,

2133
01:35:02,050 --> 01:35:05,750
 Okay, the church is a heritage designation and

2134
01:35:05,750 --> 01:35:07,730
 they're going to protect it and now they're going

2135
01:35:07,730 --> 01:35:11,610
 to protect it by increasing the density. The

2136
01:35:11,610 --> 01:35:14,690
 heritage designation is also already conserved,

2137
01:35:14,690 --> 01:35:17,000
 doubling the number of units, provides no

2138
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:22,090
 additional heritage benefit. And on the site

2139
01:35:22,090 --> 01:35:22,850
 itself,

2140
01:35:22,850 --> 01:35:28,280
 there's 11 parking spots and a lot is covered in

2141
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:31,390
 just 30-percent open space. There's no additional

2142
01:35:31,390 --> 01:35:33,650
 amenity space for the increased number of

2143
01:35:33,650 --> 01:35:39,300
 residents just to create significant pressures

2144
01:35:39,300 --> 01:35:41,690
 on the neighborhood, including parking shortages

2145
01:35:41,690 --> 01:35:44,360
 and spillover, increased traffic and visitor

2146
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:47,660
 activity, reduced privacy and amenity for the

2147
01:35:47,660 --> 01:35:51,280
 residents and the neighbors alike.

2148
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:53,800
 These policies directly undermine the policies of

2149
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:56,310
 the near-campus neighborhood that are designed

2150
01:35:56,310 --> 01:35:59,320
 to protect and conserve the area and ignore the

2151
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:01,920
 fact that the city's own planning and

2152
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:05,790
 directives that the near-campus neighborhood

2153
01:36:05,790 --> 01:36:08,280
 policies shall prevail where

2154
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:15,870
 there is a conflict and 30 seconds. So these

2155
01:36:15,870 --> 01:36:17,270
 policies are supposed to prevail.

2156
01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:21,180
 The near-campus neighborhood policy overrides all

2157
01:36:21,180 --> 01:36:23,440
 the other policies but

2158
01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:28,000
 they're being ignored. The 2013 OMB settlement

2159
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:29,910
 clearly balanced density,

2160
01:36:29,910 --> 01:36:34,040
 heritage, traffic, parking, etc. etc. And I

2161
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,160
 respectfully request that

2162
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:38,430
 Council reject the staff recommendations to

2163
01:36:38,430 --> 01:36:40,800
 approve it to approve 17 units and

2164
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:44,620
 maintain instead the existing nine established by

2165
01:36:44,620 --> 01:36:46,330
 the OMB. Thank you. Thank

2166
01:36:46,330 --> 01:36:50,750
 you. I look for the next speaker. Could I talk

2167
01:36:50,750 --> 01:36:53,890
 again for myself? No ma'am. You had

2168
01:36:53,890 --> 01:36:55,710
 your time. Thank you. I'll look for the next

2169
01:36:55,710 --> 01:37:04,710
 speaker. Please sir, give us your

2170
01:37:04,710 --> 01:37:07,520
 name. You have five minutes. Thank you very much.

2171
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:09,060
 My name is Greg Barrett and with

2172
01:37:09,060 --> 01:37:11,650
 my wife Jennifer Smout, we are residents at 197

2173
01:37:11,650 --> 01:37:13,230
 Sherwood Ave where we've lived for

2174
01:37:13,230 --> 01:37:16,480
 30 years, our house is about 30 meters away from

2175
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:20,390
 the West property line of this site.

2176
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:21,950
 You've heard that the neighbors actually are

2177
01:37:21,950 --> 01:37:24,040
 pretty happy and that there's some interest

2178
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:25,810
 in completing the redevelopment of this property.

2179
01:37:25,810 --> 01:37:27,710
 As a matter of fact, you've got two letters in

2180
01:37:27,710 --> 01:37:30,030
 support of the proposal in front of you.

2181
01:37:30,030 --> 01:37:31,700
 What I'm standing here in front of you is to say

2182
01:37:31,700 --> 01:37:33,600
 that I don't agree with the recommendation.

2183
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,060
 In fact, I'm here embarrassed, saddened, and

2184
01:37:36,060 --> 01:37:37,380
 angry.

2185
01:37:37,380 --> 01:37:40,230
 I'm embarrassed because I'm standing here

2186
01:37:40,230 --> 01:37:43,430
 fighting a recommendation based on policies

2187
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:47,050
 that I actually had something to help develop,

2188
01:37:47,050 --> 01:37:50,740
 and I have a recommendation now that is ignoring

2189
01:37:50,740 --> 01:37:53,740
 previous decisions that have been made by council

2190
01:37:53,740 --> 01:37:55,870
 with the very same policy basis.

2191
01:37:55,870 --> 01:37:57,740
 Mr. Davis identified three things that have

2192
01:37:57,740 --> 01:38:00,790
 changed, and I'll address those as I go forward.

2193
01:38:00,790 --> 01:38:04,030
 But in fact, the previous decisions of council

2194
01:38:04,030 --> 01:38:07,030
 and the decision of the OMB are not only

2195
01:38:07,030 --> 01:38:07,510
 important

2196
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:09,510
 relevant, but they're determinant of this

2197
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:10,470
 instance.

2198
01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:12,370
 I know that councils are not bound by the

2199
01:38:12,370 --> 01:38:15,140
 previous decisions of other councils, but you

2200
01:38:15,140 --> 01:38:17,920
 are bound when the facts in front of you are the

2201
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:20,480
 same, the policy basis is the same.

2202
01:38:20,480 --> 01:38:22,630
 I don't understand how you can review the same

2203
01:38:22,630 --> 01:38:25,640
 policies and come up with a different answer.

2204
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:28,090
 In the same way an OLT hearing would be a de novo

2205
01:38:28,090 --> 01:38:30,510
 hearing, which unfortunately the neighbors

2206
01:38:30,510 --> 01:38:33,370
 don't have a right to, which would mean that it's

2207
01:38:33,370 --> 01:38:36,000
 based on its merits and the new information

2208
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:36,990
 that would be provided.

2209
01:38:36,990 --> 01:38:39,290
 Well, the new information that would be provided

2210
01:38:39,290 --> 01:38:42,220
 is, in fact, a project that is more intense

2211
01:38:42,220 --> 01:38:44,730
 than what the board had refused or that the board

2212
01:38:44,730 --> 01:38:46,850
 actually accepted as part of a settlement

2213
01:38:46,850 --> 01:38:51,310
 in 2013, and the policy basis is the same as it

2214
01:38:51,310 --> 01:38:52,770
 was in the past.

2215
01:38:52,770 --> 01:38:56,310
 So in fact, what has changed is 13 years, but

2216
01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:59,400
 what hasn't changed are the policies that

2217
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:01,350
 you would be using.

2218
01:39:01,350 --> 01:39:03,110
 Just a little bit more on the history on this,

2219
01:39:03,110 --> 01:39:05,080
 because I think, again, it helps understand

2220
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:07,250
 why the neighbors are concerned.

2221
01:39:07,250 --> 01:39:11,760
 The 2013 application was for 14 units and 34

2222
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:14,860
 bedrooms, and that was a 76 unit per hectare

2223
01:39:14,860 --> 01:39:16,510
 development.

2224
01:39:16,510 --> 01:39:18,510
 That was recommended by staff, but as a result of

2225
01:39:18,510 --> 01:39:20,350
 concerns that were raised, it was referred

2226
01:39:20,350 --> 01:39:21,750
 back.

2227
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:24,410
 In the time that it was being considered the

2228
01:39:24,410 --> 01:39:28,200
 referral, the applicant appealed to the then-OMB

2229
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:30,620
 because of a lack of non-decision.

2230
01:39:30,620 --> 01:39:33,390
 There was a subsequent report that came back to

2231
01:39:33,390 --> 01:39:37,080
 council in October of 2013 that recommended

2232
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:39,740
 the nine units, 27 bedrooms that was actually the

2233
01:39:39,740 --> 01:39:40,060
 basis

2234
01:39:40,060 --> 01:39:42,310
 of the settlement hearing in front of the board.

2235
01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:43,830
 So this is what's happened.

2236
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:47,230
 With respect to the policy basis that has gone on

2237
01:39:47,230 --> 01:39:47,330
,

2238
01:39:47,230 --> 01:39:48,950
 the one thing that Mr. Davis did note

2239
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:52,110
 was that the lands were LDR and now are urban

2240
01:39:52,110 --> 01:39:53,220
 corridor.

2241
01:39:53,220 --> 01:39:54,090
 That is correct.

2242
01:39:54,090 --> 01:39:56,870
 However, the urban corridor policies that are in

2243
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:57,200
 place

2244
01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:59,220
 are preservation policies which mirror the

2245
01:39:59,220 --> 01:39:59,650
 policies

2246
01:39:59,650 --> 01:40:01,700
 in the '89 plan that were in force and effect

2247
01:40:01,700 --> 01:40:04,150
 when this application was reviewed.

2248
01:40:04,150 --> 01:40:06,590
 So your policy basis is the same.

2249
01:40:06,590 --> 01:40:09,710
 The other thing within the 89 quarter review

2250
01:40:09,710 --> 01:40:13,290
 or the quarter policies and the preservation

2251
01:40:13,290 --> 01:40:14,080
 policies

2252
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:16,900
 of the current plan is that they have been looked

2253
01:40:16,900 --> 01:40:17,090
 at

2254
01:40:17,090 --> 01:40:21,740
 actually more contemporary as part of your

2255
01:40:21,740 --> 01:40:22,210
 heights framework

2256
01:40:22,210 --> 01:40:24,110
 review and as part of the transit village

2257
01:40:24,110 --> 01:40:26,680
 and transit quarters review and no policy change

2258
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:27,980
 was made.

2259
01:40:27,980 --> 01:40:30,640
 Again, also within the context of changes

2260
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:32,610
 from the provincial government as it's relating

2261
01:40:32,610 --> 01:40:34,820
 to focus on providing more opportunities for

2262
01:40:34,820 --> 01:40:35,950
 housing.

2263
01:40:35,950 --> 01:40:38,990
 Intensification is already provided for on this

2264
01:40:38,990 --> 01:40:39,750
 site.

2265
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:42,260
 It is already pre-zoned to provide for this

2266
01:40:42,260 --> 01:40:43,360
 development.

2267
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:46,340
 There are 110 properties within the preservation

2268
01:40:46,340 --> 01:40:46,660
 quarter

2269
01:40:46,660 --> 01:40:49,690
 from Oxford Street to Huron Street.

2270
01:40:49,690 --> 01:40:51,660
 And within those 110 properties,

2271
01:40:51,660 --> 01:40:53,950
 a number of them are taken by the institutional

2272
01:40:53,950 --> 01:40:54,220
 users

2273
01:40:54,220 --> 01:40:57,150
 of St. Joe's and Mount Hope, and then the Manor

2274
01:40:57,150 --> 01:40:57,950
 Village.

2275
01:40:57,950 --> 01:41:00,260
 The remaining properties except for the office

2276
01:41:00,260 --> 01:41:00,780
 conversions

2277
01:41:00,780 --> 01:41:03,030
 that are permitted, the Southerly and Closer

2278
01:41:03,030 --> 01:41:05,300
 to Oxford Street are residential.

2279
01:41:05,300 --> 01:41:07,610
 And they are limited in zoning quite frankly

2280
01:41:07,610 --> 01:41:08,000
 right now

2281
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:11,400
 with an R2 zone that provides for single semi dup

2282
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:11,750
lex

2283
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:13,760
 and converted dwellings with four properties

2284
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:16,090
 that actually have an R3 to allow for four units

2285
01:41:16,090 --> 01:41:18,250
 because they were purpose built for that.

2286
01:41:18,250 --> 01:41:20,820
 This property is actually already zoned

2287
01:41:20,820 --> 01:41:22,660
 to provide for the nine units.

2288
01:41:22,660 --> 01:41:25,170
 So the intensification has already been provided

2289
01:41:25,170 --> 01:41:26,680
 for on the site.

2290
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:28,310
 The other thing that Mr. Davis mentioned

2291
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:30,520
 was the change of provincial policy statement.

2292
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:32,100
 That in fact is true.

2293
01:41:32,100 --> 01:41:33,930
 And what it says, it's identified this

2294
01:41:33,930 --> 01:41:35,160
 as a strategic growth area

2295
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:36,890
 because it aligns with the city policies

2296
01:41:36,890 --> 01:41:39,510
 for increasing development along the transit

2297
01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:40,480
 quarters.

2298
01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:42,740
 This had already done that, that was a policy

2299
01:41:42,740 --> 01:41:43,180
 context,

2300
01:41:43,180 --> 01:41:45,240
 that was a quarter, it was already intended

2301
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:47,850
 for redevelopment and intensification,

2302
01:41:47,850 --> 01:41:49,520
 and the appropriate level of intensification

2303
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:50,530
 has been decided.

2304
01:41:50,530 --> 01:41:54,240
 Lastly, or one of the other agencies

2305
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:56,580
 of the parking requirements is fine.

2306
01:41:56,580 --> 01:41:59,370
 The last thing I just wanted to say is that

2307
01:41:59,370 --> 01:42:01,240
 the notion of providing the intensity

2308
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:04,440
 with respect to form deals with the visual impact

2309
01:42:04,440 --> 01:42:04,620
,

2310
01:42:04,620 --> 01:42:06,710
 the notion of providing for the intensity with

2311
01:42:06,710 --> 01:42:07,250
 the units,

2312
01:42:07,250 --> 01:42:09,080
 the density, or the number of bedroom count,

2313
01:42:09,080 --> 01:42:11,680
 which is permitted under policy 970, the London

2314
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:11,980
 Plan.

2315
01:42:11,980 --> 01:42:13,910
 - Thank you, that's your time, Mr. Mayor.

2316
01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:15,050
 - The intensity of development.

2317
01:42:15,050 --> 01:42:15,980
 - Thank you.

2318
01:42:15,980 --> 01:42:23,890
 I'll look for the next speaker.

2319
01:42:23,890 --> 01:42:26,970
 Please sir, give us your name and you have five

2320
01:42:26,970 --> 01:42:27,300
 minutes.

2321
01:42:27,300 --> 01:42:28,680
 - I am Paul Adams.

2322
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:31,550
 I live at 191 Sherwood Avenue.

2323
01:42:31,550 --> 01:42:34,070
 This is a encore performance for me

2324
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:37,400
 since I was here in 2013 as part of the core

2325
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:38,050
 group

2326
01:42:38,050 --> 01:42:40,550
 defending our street and our neighborhood

2327
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:43,760
 for a very similar project.

2328
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:46,870
 And it concerns me greatly.

2329
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:49,410
 I am very much against the decision

2330
01:42:49,410 --> 01:42:51,830
 that has been made by the city council.

2331
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:54,780
 And I just want to remind you that we got the

2332
01:42:54,780 --> 01:42:55,220
 same kind

2333
01:42:55,220 --> 01:42:58,250
 of decision the last time from the city council,

2334
01:42:58,250 --> 01:43:01,260
 and we returned down by the planning committee.

2335
01:43:01,260 --> 01:43:04,780
 So we were told that was the kiss of death.

2336
01:43:04,780 --> 01:43:07,830
 But we went to the OMB on our own.

2337
01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:10,190
 They just laughed and said, good luck.

2338
01:43:10,190 --> 01:43:13,190
 We're quite a team on our street, and we won.

2339
01:43:13,190 --> 01:43:16,320
 And that decision is still standing.

2340
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:18,450
 And whatever these people say, oh, we can get rid

2341
01:43:18,450 --> 01:43:18,820
 of it.

2342
01:43:18,820 --> 01:43:21,200
 It's a new plan now and so on.

2343
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:23,600
 That is incorrect.

2344
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:27,050
 I'd like to start off by saying that I have

2345
01:43:27,050 --> 01:43:28,040
 received a letter

2346
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:30,420
 from Jackie Farquhar, who is the head of one

2347
01:43:30,420 --> 01:43:32,920
 of the other neighborhood associations.

2348
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:35,180
 She's very well known in the Old North area.

2349
01:43:35,180 --> 01:43:37,500
 Can I read her one-page letter?

2350
01:43:37,500 --> 01:43:38,680
 It's your five minutes.

2351
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:40,460
 Thank you.

2352
01:43:40,460 --> 01:43:42,760
 I am a representative of the St. George Grovener

2353
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:45,100
 Neighborhood Association.

2354
01:43:45,100 --> 01:43:47,720
 I only just heard about this decision by the city

2355
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:48,860
.

2356
01:43:48,860 --> 01:43:52,230
 This intensification is far too high

2357
01:43:52,230 --> 01:43:56,690
 for such a small property and absolutely overkill

2358
01:43:56,690 --> 01:43:58,500
 for student residences.

2359
01:43:58,500 --> 01:44:00,810
 New and existing accommodations for students is

2360
01:44:00,810 --> 01:44:01,480
 enormous

2361
01:44:01,480 --> 01:44:03,730
 and not necessarily due to the limits

2362
01:44:03,730 --> 01:44:05,900
 on international students.

2363
01:44:05,900 --> 01:44:10,420
 As well as Western's new 200-based student

2364
01:44:10,420 --> 01:44:11,100
 residences

2365
01:44:11,100 --> 01:44:13,260
 and the 20-story building proposed

2366
01:44:13,260 --> 01:44:14,720
 across from university gates,

2367
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:17,940
 there's also an approved 35-story,

2368
01:44:17,940 --> 01:44:20,220
 500-unit student apartment building

2369
01:44:20,220 --> 01:44:22,480
 at the corner of Oxford and Richmond

2370
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:25,860
 owned by fibro-rovis real estate.

2371
01:44:25,860 --> 01:44:27,810
 Surely planning committee must realize

2372
01:44:27,810 --> 01:44:29,870
 that the need for intensification

2373
01:44:29,870 --> 01:44:32,630
 of the aforementioned old church property

2374
01:44:32,630 --> 01:44:36,580
 is definitely not necessary.

2375
01:44:36,580 --> 01:44:38,650
 Moving on, just a final comment

2376
01:44:38,650 --> 01:44:41,350
 on what I started off by saying.

2377
01:44:41,350 --> 01:44:44,560
 The two things that we won the last time from the

2378
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:45,190
 OMB

2379
01:44:45,190 --> 01:44:47,480
 were that we had the OMB statement

2380
01:44:47,480 --> 01:44:49,740
 from a provincial judge, it's published,

2381
01:44:49,740 --> 01:44:52,160
 it's out there, it hasn't changed.

2382
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:54,020
 The other thing we got was the heritage

2383
01:44:54,020 --> 01:44:57,700
 destination, which is another type of protection

2384
01:44:57,700 --> 01:44:58,310
 and very

2385
01:44:58,310 --> 01:44:59,740
 important.

2386
01:44:59,740 --> 01:45:01,870
 If you don't know about how to undo some of these

2387
01:45:01,870 --> 01:45:03,460
 things, I'm just going to give you

2388
01:45:03,460 --> 01:45:07,760
 two quotes that should make you shiver.

2389
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:10,450
 Cities in Ontario do not have the power to

2390
01:45:10,450 --> 01:45:13,370
 directly overturn or veto decisions made by

2391
01:45:13,370 --> 01:45:16,960
 the Ontario Municipal Board, OMB, or its

2392
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:20,970
 successor, the Ontario Land Tribunal.

2393
01:45:20,970 --> 01:45:23,390
 Because the tribunal acts as an independent

2394
01:45:23,390 --> 01:45:26,310
 binding adjudicator, the rulings are legally

2395
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:31,410
 final and generally binding on the municipality.

2396
01:45:31,410 --> 01:45:35,270
 If a city council simply ignores or passes a by-

2397
01:45:35,270 --> 01:45:39,700
law to contradict a final tribunal order,

2398
01:45:39,700 --> 01:45:42,810
 developers of affected residents can take the

2399
01:45:42,810 --> 01:45:45,840
 city to court to enforce the tribunal's

2400
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:47,800
 decision.

2401
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:49,500
 I rest my case.

2402
01:45:49,500 --> 01:45:50,420
 This one's for the children.

2403
01:45:50,420 --> 01:45:53,080
 Thank you, sir.

2404
01:45:53,080 --> 01:46:01,240
 I'll look for the next speaker.

2405
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:03,970
 Sir give us your name in five minutes. Good

2406
01:46:03,970 --> 01:46:05,920
 afternoon. Good afternoon committee members.

2407
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:11,910
 My name is Jeff Garde. My property is actually 14

2408
01:46:11,910 --> 01:46:16,850
.9 feet from this property. So today I will

2409
01:46:16,850 --> 01:46:20,410
 be the closest property owner speaking. Another

2410
01:46:20,410 --> 01:46:24,190
 property owners tried to zoom online but missed

2411
01:46:24,190 --> 01:46:27,020
 or was the clerk's office was having the issues

2412
01:46:27,020 --> 01:46:32,600
 getting them. I support and you know which is

2413
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:35,840
 unusual for me, I support staff on this

2414
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:40,050
 application. I was involved also in

2415
01:46:40,050 --> 01:46:43,930
 2023. I was not one of the neighbors that took it

2416
01:46:43,930 --> 01:46:46,830
 to the OMB for my own

2417
01:46:46,830 --> 01:46:51,920
 personal reasons. The property itself, the

2418
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:53,600
 application, there's no mention that

2419
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:57,320
 it's going to be for students. For all we know it

2420
01:46:57,320 --> 01:47:00,030
 could be luxury condos. Like

2421
01:47:00,030 --> 01:47:06,600
 everyone's making an assumption. The property

2422
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:08,790
 sitting empty has been since

2423
01:47:08,790 --> 01:47:13,240
 2013, we have, as neighbors, in my opinion, lost

2424
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:16,620
 good opportunities at one time. Kennedy

2425
01:47:16,620 --> 01:47:20,110
 Fowler was wanting to go in there as medical

2426
01:47:20,110 --> 01:47:23,900
 dental. The neighbors did not like that. So

2427
01:47:23,900 --> 01:47:26,150
 what I'm trying to say is everyone has a

2428
01:47:26,150 --> 01:47:29,040
 different opinion. Everyone has their own

2429
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:30,520
 assumptions,

2430
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:34,810
 but that's not necessarily actual or truth. My

2431
01:47:34,810 --> 01:47:37,250
 biggest concern, and I think all the neighbors

2432
01:47:37,250 --> 01:47:40,850
 will agree with this is is the city lane way. It

2433
01:47:40,850 --> 01:47:43,170
's been problematic. I've had

2434
01:47:43,170 --> 01:47:47,190
 documentation from 1943 that it's been a problem.

2435
01:47:47,190 --> 01:47:50,830
 So one of the suggestions when

2436
01:47:50,830 --> 01:47:53,300
 I spoke to staff is that this committee pack

2437
01:47:53,300 --> 01:47:55,740
 could give clear direction as part

2438
01:47:55,740 --> 01:47:59,800
 of the site plan approval process that 1057 1061

2439
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:01,350
 Richmond Street will not

2440
01:48:01,350 --> 01:48:04,370
 utilize the city own lane way to the west for

2441
01:48:04,370 --> 01:48:08,050
 vehicle access. I have spoken

2442
01:48:08,050 --> 01:48:11,470
 with representatives of Royal Premier Home.

2443
01:48:11,470 --> 01:48:15,070
 I was given assurances that they have no

2444
01:48:15,070 --> 01:48:15,600
 intention

2445
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:16,890
 of using the lane way.

2446
01:48:16,890 --> 01:48:20,940
 So I hope that direction can be given

2447
01:48:20,940 --> 01:48:25,430
 to ensure that that lane way is not used for

2448
01:48:25,430 --> 01:48:26,090
 whatever,

2449
01:48:26,090 --> 01:48:28,020
 even if it's only nine units

2450
01:48:28,020 --> 01:48:31,460
 on the property at Richmond Street.

2451
01:48:31,460 --> 01:48:35,930
 But I reiterate, I'm totally in favor of the 17

2452
01:48:35,930 --> 01:48:36,420
 units

2453
01:48:37,510 --> 01:48:41,770
 And I really, really do not think it's

2454
01:48:41,770 --> 01:48:42,320
 appropriate

2455
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:45,570
 just to automatically assume it's students.

2456
01:48:45,570 --> 01:48:47,230
 Thank you for your time.

2457
01:48:47,230 --> 01:48:53,410
 - Thank you, I'll look for the next speaker.

2458
01:48:53,410 --> 01:49:10,530
 I'll ask the clerk if there's anyone online.

2459
01:49:10,530 --> 01:49:12,190
 Amy, we see your hand up.

2460
01:49:12,190 --> 01:49:14,220
 I'm not too sure if this is what you want to

2461
01:49:14,220 --> 01:49:14,670
 speak to

2462
01:49:14,670 --> 01:49:18,240
 or another item later in the agenda.

2463
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:20,400
 - Yes, I want to talk about something here.

2464
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:21,620
 - Okay, please go ahead.

2465
01:49:21,620 --> 01:49:24,420
 Give us your full name and you have five minutes.

2466
01:49:24,420 --> 01:49:27,410
 - Good afternoon, chairs and members of committee

2467
01:49:27,410 --> 01:49:27,690
.

2468
01:49:27,690 --> 01:49:32,160
 My name is Amy C. I'm a resident of London. I'm

2469
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:35,470
 representing one of the closest neighbors

2470
01:49:35,470 --> 01:49:40,540
 of this building. I understand that applicant is

2471
01:49:40,540 --> 01:49:44,570
 seeking approval for 17 residential units

2472
01:49:44,570 --> 01:49:49,140
 with only 11 parking spaces, which represents

2473
01:49:49,140 --> 01:49:53,870
 approximately 0.64 parking spaces per unit.

2474
01:49:53,870 --> 01:49:57,850
 My primary concern is parking and traffic impact

2475
01:49:57,850 --> 01:50:00,090
 on the surrounding neighborhood.

2476
01:50:00,090 --> 01:50:04,600
 This area is located near Western University and

2477
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:08,270
 has historically experienced high demand

2478
01:50:08,270 --> 01:50:13,120
 for on-street parking in practice.

2479
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:18,120
 Many households own more than one vehicle and the

2480
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:22,410
 student-oriented housing often generates

2481
01:50:22,410 --> 01:50:25,640
 additional parking demand. If the development

2482
01:50:25,640 --> 01:50:29,510
 proceeds with only 11 parking spaces for 17

2483
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:33,250
 units, there is a significant possibility that

2484
01:50:33,250 --> 01:50:37,400
 overflow parking will spill onto nearby

2485
01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:38,200
 residential

2486
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:43,180
 streets. I would respectfully ask the committee

2487
01:50:43,180 --> 01:50:48,350
 to carefully consider whether 11 parking spaces

2488
01:50:48,350 --> 01:50:52,480
 are sufficient for the proposed density, the

2489
01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:55,890
 potential impact on neighboring properties

2490
01:50:55,890 --> 01:51:01,530
 and existing residents. The cumulative effect on

2491
01:51:01,530 --> 01:51:05,740
 traffic, visitor parking, waste collection,

2492
01:51:05,740 --> 01:51:09,240
 and the neighborhood safety, whether additional

2493
01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:12,820
 parking solutions should be explored before

2494
01:51:12,820 --> 01:51:17,860
 are approving the requested zoning amendment.

2495
01:51:17,860 --> 01:51:22,560
 I support responsible redevelopment

2496
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:24,260
 and the investment in our city.

2497
01:51:24,260 --> 01:51:26,980
 However, I believe it is important

2498
01:51:26,980 --> 01:51:30,780
 that the parking supply and infrastructure

2499
01:51:30,780 --> 01:51:35,750
 are adequate to support the proposed intensity

2500
01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:36,790
 of development.

2501
01:51:36,790 --> 01:51:38,060
 Thank you.

2502
01:51:38,060 --> 01:51:39,540
 - Thank you.

2503
01:51:39,540 --> 01:51:42,850
 A lot for other speakers.

2504
01:51:42,850 --> 01:51:44,990
 So clear one more time if there's anyone else

2505
01:51:44,990 --> 01:51:56,980
 online.

2506
01:51:56,980 --> 01:51:59,090
 don't be online. I don't see anyone else

2507
01:51:59,090 --> 01:52:01,950
 approaching the microphone, so we'll open the

2508
01:52:01,950 --> 01:52:02,260
 vote to

2509
01:52:02,260 --> 01:52:31,980
 close the APM. Mayor Morgan closing the vote the

2510
01:52:31,980 --> 01:52:35,000
 motion carries six to zero. Thank you, so I'll

2511
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:35,100
 put

2512
01:52:35,090 --> 01:52:36,960
 this item on the floor for committee members.

2513
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:39,300
 Councillor Cutty. Thank you chair. I'll move the

2514
01:52:39,300 --> 01:52:42,050
 staff recommendation. Thank you. I'll look for a

2515
01:52:42,050 --> 01:52:45,870
 seconder. Councillor Stevenson has seconded.

2516
01:52:45,870 --> 01:52:48,340
 The motion moved and seconded. I'll look for

2517
01:52:48,340 --> 01:52:49,380
 comments or questions from

2518
01:52:49,380 --> 01:52:52,500
 committee members or visiting Councillors. Coun

2519
01:52:52,500 --> 01:52:57,430
cillor Cutty. Thank you chair. A question to

2520
01:52:57,430 --> 01:53:00,790
 staff and this would be the heritage is carrying

2521
01:53:00,790 --> 01:53:02,310
 heritage has any issues with

2522
01:53:02,310 --> 01:53:07,400
 this motion. I'll go to staff. Thank you and

2523
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:08,810
 through the chair as you know the

2524
01:53:08,810 --> 01:53:11,260
 property is designated under part four of the

2525
01:53:11,260 --> 01:53:13,750
 Ontario Heritage Act as there's no

2526
01:53:13,750 --> 01:53:15,960
 alterations proposed to the exterior of the

2527
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:18,180
 property which are which includes

2528
01:53:18,180 --> 01:53:20,180
 all the heritage attributes of the property there

2529
01:53:20,180 --> 01:53:21,910
's no there's no heritage

2530
01:53:21,910 --> 01:53:24,140
 impact assessment required for this application.

2531
01:53:24,140 --> 01:53:25,850
 If there are alterations

2532
01:53:25,850 --> 01:53:29,040
 is that may impact the heritage attributes

2533
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:30,550
 that would be handled through the heritage

2534
01:53:30,550 --> 01:53:32,740
 alteration permit approval process.

2535
01:53:32,740 --> 01:53:34,570
 And that's required prior to the issuance

2536
01:53:34,570 --> 01:53:35,560
 of the building permit.

2537
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:38,910
 So at this time, given that this is all interior,

2538
01:53:38,910 --> 01:53:42,000
 we don't have any concerns with the proposal.

2539
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:44,830
 - Councillor, thank you Chair, that's great.

2540
01:53:44,830 --> 01:53:45,640
 And thank you staff.

2541
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:47,940
 I make a circle back later for questions.

2542
01:53:47,940 --> 01:53:48,750
 - Okay, thank you.

2543
01:53:48,750 --> 01:53:53,000
 I'll look for other comments or questions

2544
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:54,580
 from committee members or visiting Councillors.

2545
01:53:54,580 --> 01:53:56,370
 Councillor Stevenson.

2546
01:53:56,370 --> 01:53:57,200
 - Thank you.

2547
01:53:57,200 --> 01:53:58,820
 I was wondering if I could get assistance from

2548
01:53:58,820 --> 01:53:59,220
 staff

2549
01:53:59,220 --> 01:54:02,200
 in moving the amendment that was recommended

2550
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:05,540
 by Jeff Garde regarding the laneway at site plan

2551
01:54:05,540 --> 01:54:07,650
 processing.

2552
01:54:07,650 --> 01:54:11,730
 - Yeah, I could staff comment on that proposed

2553
01:54:11,730 --> 01:54:12,120
 amendment

2554
01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:17,650
 suggested by the member of the public.

2555
01:54:17,650 --> 01:54:18,830
 - Thank you, and through the chair,

2556
01:54:18,830 --> 01:54:21,550
 we'd have to look into the status of the laneway

2557
01:54:21,550 --> 01:54:23,950
 to determine if that's possible.

2558
01:54:23,950 --> 01:54:25,050
 - Counselor.

2559
01:54:25,050 --> 01:54:26,330
 - Thank you, so I'll deal with that

2560
01:54:26,330 --> 01:54:28,590
 between now and council then.

2561
01:54:28,590 --> 01:54:30,720
 - Thank you.

2562
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:33,730
 Okay, I'll look for other comments or questions.

2563
01:54:33,730 --> 01:54:36,370
 Councillor Troso.

2564
01:54:36,370 --> 01:54:40,330
 My first question to the chair is I would like to

2565
01:54:40,330 --> 01:54:42,340
 understand better what the site review

2566
01:54:42,340 --> 01:54:44,700
 is going to be on this.

2567
01:54:44,700 --> 01:54:47,800
 There is a normal site review, but I don't see

2568
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:50,510
 requests to the site review authority

2569
01:54:50,510 --> 01:54:53,010
 in your step report that's usually there.

2570
01:54:53,010 --> 01:54:56,060
 Why are they absent from this step recommendation

2571
01:54:56,060 --> 01:54:56,710
?

2572
01:54:56,710 --> 01:54:59,820
 So I'll go to staff on that.

2573
01:54:59,820 --> 01:55:00,820
 Thank you.

2574
01:55:00,820 --> 01:55:02,190
 And through the chair, there was no

2575
01:55:02,190 --> 01:55:04,280
 recommendations for a site plan in this instance.

2576
01:55:04,280 --> 01:55:08,220
 There is a registered DA on file based on a 2015

2577
01:55:08,220 --> 01:55:10,600
 site plan approval application.

2578
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:12,780
 The other instance here is with the fact that all

2579
01:55:12,780 --> 01:55:14,620
 the works are internal to the existing

2580
01:55:14,620 --> 01:55:17,140
 building and there's no exterior changes proposed

2581
01:55:17,140 --> 01:55:17,630
.

2582
01:55:17,630 --> 01:55:22,000
 Councillor, on the basis that you're not going to

2583
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,810
 do a site plan alone, I would have

2584
01:55:24,810 --> 01:55:27,400
 a very difficult time supporting this because I

2585
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:29,360
 think many of the concerns that have been

2586
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:34,720
 raised by residents, and the biggest one for me

2587
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:37,190
 is putting the OMB aside. I'll get to that.

2588
01:55:37,190 --> 01:55:40,490
 The biggest one for me is what's happening on

2589
01:55:40,490 --> 01:55:44,060
 Sherwood. That street cannot take any more

2590
01:55:44,060 --> 01:55:47,080
 traffic. In fact, that street cannot take the

2591
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:49,710
 traffic that it has. And I think the residents

2592
01:55:49,710 --> 01:55:52,920
 have been very good in terms of submitting

2593
01:55:52,920 --> 01:55:56,500
 evidence showing the difficulty that larger

2594
01:55:56,500 --> 01:56:01,200
 vehicles have negotiating that street even if

2595
01:56:01,200 --> 01:56:04,340
 there's not snow. It's really a very dangerous

2596
01:56:04,340 --> 01:56:07,350
 situation. I'm concerned about that. I'm

2597
01:56:07,350 --> 01:56:10,960
 concerned about that there is not a robust list

2598
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:12,330
 of site plan

2599
01:56:12,330 --> 01:56:14,730
 conditions including perhaps looking at whether

2600
01:56:14,730 --> 01:56:16,610
 or not the residents on Sherwood could have

2601
01:56:16,610 --> 01:56:19,250
 preferential parking. I know that's a separate

2602
01:56:19,250 --> 01:56:22,330
 process. But I want to go back to the OMB.

2603
01:56:22,330 --> 01:56:28,320
 I'm not satisfied that the OMB decision isn't the

2604
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:31,220
 determinative in this case because while OMB

2605
01:56:31,220 --> 01:56:34,340
 cases can always be, you can always say they're

2606
01:56:34,340 --> 01:56:37,210
 not binding because of changed conditions,

2607
01:56:37,210 --> 01:56:40,080
 when you actually look at the street there are no

2608
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:42,640
 changed conditions. The conditions

2609
01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:45,510
 on Sherwood as they exist now pretty much as they

2610
01:56:45,510 --> 01:56:48,310
 were, pretty much as they were for a long time.

2611
01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:54,410
 I think that if the staff report wanted to ignore

2612
01:56:54,410 --> 01:56:56,830
 the OMB decision, it would be incumbent

2613
01:56:56,830 --> 01:57:00,620
 in this council making findings that these are

2614
01:57:00,620 --> 01:57:03,550
 the changed conditions that would allow

2615
01:57:03,550 --> 01:57:06,080
 us to depart from the OMB.

2616
01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:08,950
 So could I hear more from perhaps legal as to why

2617
01:57:08,950 --> 01:57:11,230
 the OMB decision is not, and I don't

2618
01:57:11,230 --> 01:57:14,080
 want to use the term binding, but more determin

2619
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:15,680
ative in this situation.

2620
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:23,270
 I'll go to staff.

2621
01:57:23,270 --> 01:57:24,190
 - Thank you through you, Chair.

2622
01:57:24,190 --> 01:57:27,390
 So with respect to what I would say in public

2623
01:57:27,390 --> 01:57:28,600
 session,

2624
01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:31,600
 applicants, our landowners are always permitted

2625
01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:35,020
 to apply for land use changes.

2626
01:57:35,020 --> 01:57:38,500
 And its staff and council's role to accept the

2627
01:57:38,500 --> 01:57:39,170
 application

2628
01:57:39,170 --> 01:57:41,560
 and evaluate it on the basis of the current

2629
01:57:41,560 --> 01:57:43,310
 policy framework.

2630
01:57:43,310 --> 01:57:46,380
 So while there may not have been physical changes

2631
01:57:46,380 --> 01:57:49,890
 on the street, there have been three new

2632
01:57:49,890 --> 01:57:53,580
 provincial policy statements and a new official

2633
01:57:53,580 --> 01:57:54,850
 plan.

2634
01:57:54,850 --> 01:57:57,470
 So I would suggest the policy framework may have

2635
01:57:57,470 --> 01:57:57,970
 changed,

2636
01:57:57,970 --> 01:58:02,510
 but in any event staff can't prevent land owners

2637
01:58:02,510 --> 01:58:04,830
 from applying for changes.

2638
01:58:04,830 --> 01:58:05,790
 - Councillor.

2639
01:58:05,790 --> 01:58:06,630
 - True, true.

2640
01:58:06,630 --> 01:58:10,360
 They can't stop owners from applying for changes,

2641
01:58:10,360 --> 01:58:11,870
 but they don't have to recommend them

2642
01:58:11,870 --> 01:58:14,060
 and this council does not have to accept them.

2643
01:58:14,060 --> 01:58:15,960
 So I would like a little bit more information

2644
01:58:15,960 --> 01:58:19,550
 as to why we should not follow the existing OMB

2645
01:58:19,550 --> 01:58:20,570
 decision.

2646
01:58:20,570 --> 01:58:22,760
 And if you can't do that in public session,

2647
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:27,590
 I would like to have that in closed session.

2648
01:58:27,590 --> 01:58:29,580
 - I'll go to staff if they have any comments on

2649
01:58:29,580 --> 01:58:29,920
 that,

2650
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:32,090
 or, nope, okay, it is what it is.

2651
01:58:32,090 --> 02:01:10,380
 Second, please.

2652
02:01:10,380 --> 02:01:12,210
 So, Councilor, a member of this committee

2653
02:01:12,210 --> 02:01:15,160
 would have to make that motion and be seconded.

2654
02:01:15,160 --> 02:01:18,130
 So, I'll look to committee, if Councilor

2655
02:01:18,130 --> 02:01:19,060
 Stevenson.

2656
02:01:19,060 --> 02:01:21,200
 - I'll make that motion that we go into closed.

2657
02:01:21,200 --> 02:01:26,130
 - Okay, I'll look for a seconder.

2658
02:01:26,130 --> 02:01:29,660
 I'll second that motion.

2659
02:01:29,660 --> 02:01:31,220
 So, let's just deal with that.

2660
02:01:31,220 --> 02:01:34,180
 We have a motion moved and seconded to our voting

2661
02:01:34,180 --> 02:01:34,880
 camera

2662
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:40,360
 to discuss questions raised by the counselor

2663
02:01:40,360 --> 02:01:50,630
 and vice given.

2664
02:01:50,630 --> 02:01:52,850
 So there's no discussion on that.

2665
02:01:52,850 --> 02:02:47,450
 So we will just go to a vote.

2666
02:02:47,450 --> 02:02:49,390
 Okay, that vote process should be up in front of

2667
02:02:49,390 --> 02:03:03,510
 you right now.

2668
02:03:03,510 --> 02:03:15,840
 - Mayor Morgan, closing the vote.

2669
02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:19,040
 The motion carries five to one.

2670
02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:21,900
 - Okay, I'll ask the clerk and the staff to

2671
02:03:21,900 --> 02:03:23,240
 prepare

2672
02:03:23,240 --> 02:03:25,910
 for voting in the camera.

2673
02:03:25,910 --> 02:03:28,150
 And unfortunately, folks,

2674
02:03:28,150 --> 02:03:29,800
 you're gonna have to clear the gallery

2675
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:41,110
 because this is in camera.

2676
02:03:41,110 --> 02:03:43,500
 I also wanna remind folks to take your signs

2677
02:03:43,500 --> 02:03:45,380
 and personal belongings with you as well, thank

2678
02:03:45,380 --> 02:03:47,890
 you.

2679
02:03:47,890 --> 02:03:52,030
 All right, folks, thanks for taking that break

2680
02:03:52,030 --> 02:03:55,340
 and opportunity to stretch your legs.

2681
02:03:55,340 --> 02:03:56,980
 We are back in open session.

2682
02:03:56,980 --> 02:04:00,960
 I'm gonna ask Councilor Stevenson to report out.

2683
02:04:00,960 --> 02:04:02,880
 - Yes, progress was made for the item

2684
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:04,710
 for which we went into closed session.

2685
02:04:04,710 --> 02:04:07,160
 - Thank you, Councilor and Councilor Trussow,

2686
02:04:07,160 --> 02:04:11,970
 you were in the speaker at the time.

2687
02:04:11,970 --> 02:04:12,820
 So I'll go back to you.

2688
02:04:12,820 --> 02:04:15,930
 You have two minutes and 20 seconds remaining.

2689
02:04:15,930 --> 02:04:18,800
 - May I just defer to some other Councillors

2690
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:21,460
 and maybe wrap up after other people get to speak

2691
02:04:21,460 --> 02:04:21,830
?

2692
02:04:21,830 --> 02:04:22,700
 - Sure, yep.

2693
02:04:22,700 --> 02:04:25,630
 I'll go to Councillor Hopkins and Councillor Ram

2694
02:04:25,630 --> 02:04:27,050
an.

2695
02:04:27,050 --> 02:04:30,430
 - Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair, for recognizing me.

2696
02:04:30,430 --> 02:04:32,100
 I'm not part of this committee,

2697
02:04:32,100 --> 02:04:34,880
 but I've been listening very intently here.

2698
02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:36,980
 I have also met with a developer.

2699
02:04:36,980 --> 02:04:40,790
 I've also heard from the consultant loud and

2700
02:04:40,790 --> 02:04:41,190
 clear

2701
02:04:41,190 --> 02:04:45,290
 that planning framework has changed.

2702
02:04:45,290 --> 02:04:46,490
 I heard that loud and clear,

2703
02:04:46,490 --> 02:04:49,030
 and I also heard from Mr. Barrett

2704
02:04:49,030 --> 02:04:53,160
 that we've had those plans,

2705
02:04:53,160 --> 02:04:58,140
 intensification already exists.

2706
02:04:58,140 --> 02:05:02,500
 So we have an application that is twice

2707
02:05:02,500 --> 02:05:06,910
 the intensification that was allowed at the OMB

2708
02:05:06,910 --> 02:05:07,810
 hearing.

2709
02:05:07,810 --> 02:05:14,360
 I think OMB decisions matter greatly to the

2710
02:05:14,360 --> 02:05:15,160
 public.

2711
02:05:15,160 --> 02:05:18,100
 I've heard that loud and clear here.

2712
02:05:18,100 --> 02:05:24,790
 think they should matter to us. And right or

2713
02:05:24,790 --> 02:05:29,110
 wrong, I really, really do think we should

2714
02:05:29,110 --> 02:05:33,760
 respect the process that's been taken to date.

2715
02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:35,820
 The community spoke about meeting in

2716
02:05:35,820 --> 02:05:38,470
 the middle. So I kind of wonder when you meet in

2717
02:05:38,470 --> 02:05:40,800
 the middle, you've had to make some compromises

2718
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:44,700
 along the way. If this was an intensification of

2719
02:05:44,700 --> 02:05:46,940
 a couple more units to what it already

2720
02:05:46,940 --> 02:05:50,780
 is there. I would be okay with it. But this is

2721
02:05:50,780 --> 02:05:53,520
 twice the amount. It is going to make a

2722
02:05:53,520 --> 02:05:54,070
 difference

2723
02:05:54,070 --> 02:06:00,780
 in the community. I think it's important that we

2724
02:06:00,780 --> 02:06:03,060
 understand that the community followed these

2725
02:06:03,060 --> 02:06:06,860
 rules. That should matter. It matters to me. I

2726
02:06:06,860 --> 02:06:10,650
 would encourage the committee not to support

2727
02:06:10,650 --> 02:06:13,500
 staff's recommendation. Thank you. Councillor Row

2728
02:06:13,500 --> 02:06:15,340
an.

2729
02:06:15,340 --> 02:06:17,500
 Thank you and through you. So I'd like to use

2730
02:06:17,500 --> 02:06:20,430
 some of my time to ask some questions about this

2731
02:06:20,430 --> 02:06:23,930
 application. The first has to do with bedroom

2732
02:06:23,930 --> 02:06:26,300
 count. I'm just wondering if staff

2733
02:06:26,300 --> 02:06:28,860
 might be able to clarify what the anticipated

2734
02:06:28,860 --> 02:06:30,610
 bedroom count is for this

2735
02:06:30,610 --> 02:06:35,870
 development. I'll go to staff. Through the chair,

2736
02:06:35,870 --> 02:06:37,410
 based on the near campus

2737
02:06:37,410 --> 02:06:39,920
 neighborhood specific policy area, the definition

2738
02:06:39,920 --> 02:06:41,540
 of a dwelling unit means it

2739
02:06:41,540 --> 02:06:43,970
 can contain no more than five bedrooms. The

2740
02:06:43,970 --> 02:06:46,030
 applicant may be able to better speak

2741
02:06:46,030 --> 02:06:49,730
 to the number of bedrooms that are proposed. I'll

2742
02:06:49,730 --> 02:06:57,310
 go to the applicant. Thank

2743
02:06:57,310 --> 02:06:59,850
 Thank you, Mr. Chair, and through you to the

2744
02:06:59,850 --> 02:07:01,260
 question of bedrooms.

2745
02:07:01,260 --> 02:07:04,930
 So there is a large number of the units within

2746
02:07:04,930 --> 02:07:09,380
 this building that are complete as three bedroom

2747
02:07:09,380 --> 02:07:10,570
 units.

2748
02:07:10,570 --> 02:07:14,070
 The remaining space that's really going to be the

2749
02:07:14,070 --> 02:07:16,590
 platform for the new units, as one

2750
02:07:16,590 --> 02:07:20,270
 of the residents alluded to, will be in the lower

2751
02:07:20,270 --> 02:07:23,010
 level, which right now is kind of a

2752
02:07:23,010 --> 02:07:23,990
 blank canvas.

2753
02:07:23,990 --> 02:07:25,930
 It does have high ceilings.

2754
02:07:25,930 --> 02:07:29,880
 about 8,000 square feet of space down there. So,

2755
02:07:29,880 --> 02:07:33,230
 you know, while I don't have the exact floor

2756
02:07:33,230 --> 02:07:33,470
 plans

2757
02:07:33,470 --> 02:07:36,370
 or know the exact number of bedrooms, they will

2758
02:07:36,370 --> 02:07:39,070
 be smaller units. They will not, you would not be

2759
02:07:39,070 --> 02:07:41,710
 able to fit an additional that amount of three

2760
02:07:41,710 --> 02:07:44,860
 bedroom units within that space, just it will be

2761
02:07:44,860 --> 02:07:47,640
 constrained. So, I likelihood that in that lower

2762
02:07:47,640 --> 02:07:50,380
 level, this will be a much higher proportion of

2763
02:07:50,380 --> 02:07:54,040
 one bedroom and door studio style units. Council

2764
02:07:54,040 --> 02:07:59,360
or? Thank you, through you. So, does that get

2765
02:07:59,360 --> 02:07:59,840
 sorted

2766
02:07:59,840 --> 02:08:03,060
 out a site plan in terms of what the

2767
02:08:03,060 --> 02:08:06,160
 configuration of the basement is, how many units,

2768
02:08:06,160 --> 02:08:06,480
 what

2769
02:08:06,480 --> 02:08:07,470
 the makeup is.

2770
02:08:07,470 --> 02:08:10,370
 I'll go to staff.

2771
02:08:10,370 --> 02:08:12,340
 Through the chair, at the site plan stage, I just

2772
02:08:12,340 --> 02:08:14,080
 previously noted there is a development

2773
02:08:14,080 --> 02:08:16,810
 agreement registered on title here, which means

2774
02:08:16,810 --> 02:08:19,450
 that pending the outcome of this application,

2775
02:08:19,450 --> 02:08:21,630
 they could proceed to building permit where the

2776
02:08:21,630 --> 02:08:23,990
 internal configurations, including bedrooms,

2777
02:08:23,990 --> 02:08:25,780
 is reviewed.

2778
02:08:25,780 --> 02:08:27,820
 Zoning review would be undertaken at that time to

2779
02:08:27,820 --> 02:08:29,640
 ensure conformity with the zoning by-law

2780
02:08:29,640 --> 02:08:31,250
 as well.

2781
02:08:31,250 --> 02:08:35,800
 Thank you. So just to clarify that means that

2782
02:08:35,800 --> 02:08:38,810
 because it was approved at nine units

2783
02:08:38,810 --> 02:08:41,290
 Before that there isn't a site plan. Is that what

2784
02:08:41,290 --> 02:08:45,910
 I'm going to understand? I'll go stop through the

2785
02:08:45,910 --> 02:08:46,250
 chair

2786
02:08:46,250 --> 02:08:49,400
 It's because the your the modifications are all

2787
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:51,480
 internal to the existing building if there was

2788
02:08:51,480 --> 02:08:52,010
 any external

2789
02:08:52,010 --> 02:08:54,730
 Modification staff would review and determine the

2790
02:08:54,730 --> 02:08:57,780
 appropriate path forward in terms of a site plan

2791
02:08:57,780 --> 02:08:58,410
 application

2792
02:08:58,410 --> 02:09:00,680
 But given the current application is all internal

2793
02:09:00,680 --> 02:09:02,550
 there is a registered DA on title

2794
02:09:02,710 --> 02:09:06,830
 They are more welcome to just proceed to building

2795
02:09:06,830 --> 02:09:07,630
 permits.

2796
02:09:07,630 --> 02:09:09,430
 Should there be any changes to the building

2797
02:09:09,430 --> 02:09:10,030
 permit stage,

2798
02:09:10,030 --> 02:09:11,380
 staff would be notified.

2799
02:09:11,380 --> 02:09:13,840
 And then we would review further from there.

2800
02:09:13,840 --> 02:09:15,000
 - Councillor.

2801
02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:16,110
 - Thank you.

2802
02:09:16,110 --> 02:09:18,360
 But the internal impacts the external.

2803
02:09:18,360 --> 02:09:22,300
 So for instance, if there's more bedrooms now,

2804
02:09:22,300 --> 02:09:23,340
 per say,

2805
02:09:23,340 --> 02:09:25,850
 in the basement of this building,

2806
02:09:25,850 --> 02:09:29,390
 doesn't that then mean more open space?

2807
02:09:29,390 --> 02:09:32,570
 Doesn't that mean there's more potentially need

2808
02:09:32,570 --> 02:09:35,330
 for parking, et cetera, that had to be considered

2809
02:09:35,330 --> 02:09:35,430
.

2810
02:09:35,330 --> 02:09:38,520
 And therefore, the internal affects the external

2811
02:09:38,520 --> 02:09:42,590
 and a site plan, I think, would be helpful.

2812
02:09:42,590 --> 02:09:44,160
 - Oh, good stuff.

2813
02:09:44,160 --> 02:09:45,080
 That's through the chair.

2814
02:09:45,080 --> 02:09:47,020
 So we did review the proposal.

2815
02:09:47,020 --> 02:09:49,380
 And in terms of zoning, the development

2816
02:09:49,380 --> 02:09:51,540
 and the existing site plan meets all the zoning

2817
02:09:51,540 --> 02:09:52,300
 requirements,

2818
02:09:52,300 --> 02:09:54,760
 we don't control bedroom numbers through site

2819
02:09:54,760 --> 02:09:55,760
 plan approval.

2820
02:09:55,760 --> 02:09:58,590
 It's based on the number of units and the density

2821
02:09:58,590 --> 02:09:58,690
.

2822
02:09:58,590 --> 02:09:59,900
 And again, that all meets the zoning.

2823
02:09:59,900 --> 02:10:02,420
 So there would be no physical changes required

2824
02:10:02,420 --> 02:10:04,830
 if they came in for a site plan approval.

2825
02:10:04,830 --> 02:10:05,990
 - Councillor.

2826
02:10:05,990 --> 02:10:08,510
 - Thank you, I appreciate that.

2827
02:10:08,510 --> 02:10:10,440
 I'm just wondering also,

2828
02:10:10,440 --> 02:10:14,560
 why are the bedroom units not additional

2829
02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:15,730
 residential units

2830
02:10:15,730 --> 02:10:20,580
 instead are considered a new application

2831
02:10:20,580 --> 02:10:22,660
 in this context?

2832
02:10:22,660 --> 02:10:38,530
 - I'll go stop.

2833
02:10:38,530 --> 02:10:41,560
 - Through the chair, the additional residential

2834
02:10:41,560 --> 02:10:41,750
 units

2835
02:10:41,750 --> 02:10:45,010
 are to be kind of within a primary dwelling unit

2836
02:10:45,010 --> 02:10:46,640
 related to a single detached dwelling,

2837
02:10:46,640 --> 02:10:49,670
 some ED touch dwelling and I think a triplex as

2838
02:10:49,670 --> 02:10:49,770
 well,

2839
02:10:49,740 --> 02:10:52,360
 whatever kind of limits that four units per lot.

2840
02:10:52,360 --> 02:10:54,070
 In this case, we're dealing with an existing

2841
02:10:54,070 --> 02:10:57,490
 converted building previously approved at nine

2842
02:10:57,490 --> 02:10:58,090
 units.

2843
02:10:58,090 --> 02:10:59,910
 So it does exceed that additional residential

2844
02:10:59,910 --> 02:11:01,930
 unit capability.

2845
02:11:01,930 --> 02:11:02,960
 - Councillor.

2846
02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:03,760
 - Thank you.

2847
02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:09,040
 And with the parking on this site,

2848
02:11:09,040 --> 02:11:11,460
 how many spaces have to be accessible?

2849
02:11:11,460 --> 02:11:14,160
 How many spaces have to be designated for

2850
02:11:14,160 --> 02:11:14,720
 anything

2851
02:11:14,720 --> 02:11:19,840
 other than one unit per unit in the building.

2852
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:48,580
 - I'll go stop.

2853
02:11:48,580 --> 02:11:49,410
 - Thank you.

2854
02:11:49,410 --> 02:11:52,160
 Through the chair for parking on site,

2855
02:11:52,160 --> 02:11:53,720
 they are requesting a special provision

2856
02:11:53,720 --> 02:11:56,350
 for 0.5 spaces per unit.

2857
02:11:56,350 --> 02:12:00,330
 They are actually providing 0.64 spaces per unit.

2858
02:12:00,330 --> 02:12:03,080
 In terms of other parking requirements,

2859
02:12:03,080 --> 02:12:06,870
 given that there are less than 12 spaces,

2860
02:12:06,870 --> 02:12:10,370
 it only requires one type A barrier-free parking

2861
02:12:10,370 --> 02:12:10,770
 space,

2862
02:12:10,770 --> 02:12:12,250
 which would have also been required

2863
02:12:12,250 --> 02:12:14,000
 through that subsequent site plan.

2864
02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:17,530
 Visitor parking is typically only required

2865
02:12:17,530 --> 02:12:19,420
 once you exceed the 10 units.

2866
02:12:19,420 --> 02:12:21,720
 That's included in the overall required parking,

2867
02:12:21,720 --> 02:12:23,900
 so it's not a separate requirement.

2868
02:12:23,900 --> 02:12:24,810
 So by way of that,

2869
02:12:24,810 --> 02:12:26,750
 they would also meet that parking requirement as

2870
02:12:26,750 --> 02:12:27,690
 well.

2871
02:12:27,690 --> 02:12:29,200
 - Councillor.

2872
02:12:29,200 --> 02:12:31,050
 - Thank you, I really appreciate the answers

2873
02:12:31,050 --> 02:12:33,200
 and I'm sure that I'll have more between now and

2874
02:12:33,200 --> 02:12:34,170
 council.

2875
02:12:34,170 --> 02:12:36,260
 Just looking at this,

2876
02:12:36,260 --> 02:12:39,840
 it is a very complex development

2877
02:12:39,840 --> 02:12:41,270
 being that we're just considering

2878
02:12:41,270 --> 02:12:44,620
 changes on the interior of this building. I

2879
02:12:44,620 --> 02:12:48,100
 understand the policy change. I understand why

2880
02:12:48,100 --> 02:12:51,600
 staff have come forward with this recommendation.

2881
02:12:51,600 --> 02:12:55,050
 However, I do see the points the

2882
02:12:55,050 --> 02:12:57,690
 neighborhoods making that this does feel more

2883
02:12:57,690 --> 02:13:00,940
 intense and a doubling of the occupancy and

2884
02:13:00,940 --> 02:13:03,560
 intensification with this application. So like I

2885
02:13:03,560 --> 02:13:05,790
 said, I'll have more questions between now and

2886
02:13:05,790 --> 02:13:08,710
 Council. Thank you. I'll go to Deputy Mayor Lewis

2887
02:13:08,710 --> 02:13:17,670
. Thank you, Chair. So I'm going to be supportive

2888
02:13:17,670 --> 02:13:21,260
 of the staff recommendation here. And while I

2889
02:13:21,260 --> 02:13:24,320
 heard the neighbors speak to the 2013 OMB

2890
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:24,710
 decision,

2891
02:13:24,710 --> 02:13:31,010
 lots has changed since 2013, including the fact

2892
02:13:31,010 --> 02:13:33,180
 that the properties changed hands.

2893
02:13:33,180 --> 02:13:37,020
 This isn't the same owner or same applicant that

2894
02:13:37,020 --> 02:13:41,310
 brought forward an application in 2013 and that

2895
02:13:41,310 --> 02:13:46,200
 maps. This owner actually acquired the property

2896
02:13:46,200 --> 02:13:50,350
 in the spring of last year. So they haven't had

2897
02:13:50,350 --> 02:13:53,040
 it that long. They're running forward an

2898
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:57,080
 application that they feel that they can develop.

2899
02:13:57,080 --> 02:13:57,610
 The parking

2900
02:13:57,610 --> 02:14:00,230
 ratio was sufficient. It's not impacting the

2901
02:14:00,230 --> 02:14:03,830
 heritage attributes of the building. I do

2902
02:14:03,830 --> 02:14:04,210
 appreciate

2903
02:14:04,210 --> 02:14:08,080
 Councillor Stevenson asking staff about Mr. Garde

2904
02:14:08,080 --> 02:14:11,270
's question about the laneway and I look forward

2905
02:14:11,270 --> 02:14:11,420
 to

2906
02:14:11,420 --> 02:14:13,270
 to whatever answer she can get from staff,

2907
02:14:13,270 --> 02:14:15,850
 'cause I don't think that's an unreasonable

2908
02:14:15,850 --> 02:14:16,800
 consideration.

2909
02:14:16,800 --> 02:14:18,020
 I know the applicants indicated

2910
02:14:18,020 --> 02:14:20,570
 that they don't intend to use it anyway.

2911
02:14:20,570 --> 02:14:23,500
 So it seems like there's no point of dispute

2912
02:14:23,500 --> 02:14:24,320
 there.

2913
02:14:24,320 --> 02:14:26,110
 So if something like that comes forward at

2914
02:14:26,110 --> 02:14:26,640
 council,

2915
02:14:26,640 --> 02:14:30,430
 I'm amenable to discussing what that looks like.

2916
02:14:30,430 --> 02:14:34,580
 But we don't have a static situation here from

2917
02:14:34,580 --> 02:14:36,570
 2013.

2918
02:14:36,570 --> 02:14:38,730
 We do have the, I mean, it was referenced

2919
02:14:38,730 --> 02:14:41,010
 that the previous decision was made under the

2920
02:14:41,010 --> 02:14:41,780
 1989

2921
02:14:41,780 --> 02:14:44,460
 plan, which is not in force and effect and hasn't

2922
02:14:44,460 --> 02:14:45,810
 been for a while. We are

2923
02:14:45,810 --> 02:14:47,660
 under force and effect of the London Plan now,

2924
02:14:47,660 --> 02:14:49,360
 including the Heights Plan

2925
02:14:49,360 --> 02:14:52,450
 Review and the urban corridor classifications

2926
02:14:52,450 --> 02:14:53,700
 that have been referenced

2927
02:14:53,700 --> 02:14:57,810
 already through the discussions today. This is a

2928
02:14:57,810 --> 02:14:59,330
 good adaptive redevelopment.

2929
02:14:59,330 --> 02:15:02,530
 We've heard how the property sat vacant since

2930
02:15:02,530 --> 02:15:04,460
 2013. Do we really want it to sit

2931
02:15:04,460 --> 02:15:07,860
 vacant for another 13 years? I don't. I want to

2932
02:15:07,860 --> 02:15:11,040
 see this move ahead and I think

2933
02:15:11,040 --> 02:15:14,530
 that this is actually a reasonable proposal,

2934
02:15:14,530 --> 02:15:16,910
 otherwise staff wouldn't be supporting it.

2935
02:15:16,910 --> 02:15:20,050
 You know, I am personally and frequently

2936
02:15:20,050 --> 02:15:22,080
 criticized by why aren't you supporting a staff

2937
02:15:22,080 --> 02:15:22,930
 recommendation.

2938
02:15:22,930 --> 02:15:26,140
 I support 95% of the staff recommendations that

2939
02:15:26,140 --> 02:15:27,940
 come forward, and this is another one I'm going

2940
02:15:27,940 --> 02:15:28,100
 to

2941
02:15:28,100 --> 02:15:32,460
 support. And I know that other Councillors may

2942
02:15:32,460 --> 02:15:37,280
 not agree, that's their prerogative, but

2943
02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:37,810
 nonetheless,

2944
02:15:38,580 --> 02:15:42,420
 any of us can see where there's a variance from

2945
02:15:42,420 --> 02:15:44,820
 or an acceptance of a staff recommendation.

2946
02:15:44,820 --> 02:15:46,710
 In this case, I think staff have got it right

2947
02:15:46,710 --> 02:15:49,190
 under the new planning frameworks that are in

2948
02:15:49,190 --> 02:15:50,040
 place

2949
02:15:50,040 --> 02:15:53,390
 and I'm going to be supportive. I'll look for

2950
02:15:53,390 --> 02:15:58,300
 other comments or questions. Councilor Trussa,

2951
02:15:58,300 --> 02:16:02,010
 two minutes and 20. Thank you. I'll just close by

2952
02:16:02,010 --> 02:16:05,480
 saying the more things change, the more things

2953
02:16:05,480 --> 02:16:08,720
 stay the same. And with respect to life on that

2954
02:16:08,720 --> 02:16:14,220
 block, the fact that we were under a different

2955
02:16:14,220 --> 02:16:16,400
 planning framework doesn't really change the

2956
02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:18,570
 physical reality of the day-to-day lives of the

2957
02:16:18,570 --> 02:16:21,860
 residents on those streets. And if anything, it's

2958
02:16:21,860 --> 02:16:24,680
 gotten worse. If anything, it's gotten worse.

2959
02:16:24,680 --> 02:16:30,740
 And so basically, there's no site plan. At the

2960
02:16:30,740 --> 02:16:33,170
 very least, we'd be able to have a robust site

2961
02:16:33,170 --> 02:16:33,800
 plan

2962
02:16:33,800 --> 02:16:37,660
 process that could maybe ameliorate some of these

2963
02:16:37,660 --> 02:16:41,520
 concerns about the condition on Sherwood,

2964
02:16:41,520 --> 02:16:45,650
 which is dire right now. It's just terrible right

2965
02:16:45,650 --> 02:16:49,470
 now. We don't know the number of bedrooms,

2966
02:16:49,470 --> 02:16:54,490
 and we're told we can go straight to building

2967
02:16:54,490 --> 02:16:54,930
 permit.

2968
02:16:54,930 --> 02:17:03,330
 Well, I can't, I really wanted to find a path for

2969
02:17:03,330 --> 02:17:05,330
 something here, but I can't.

2970
02:17:05,330 --> 02:17:08,830
 And the more I hear, the more I hear about the

2971
02:17:08,830 --> 02:17:12,690
 details, the more I'm convinced that I am going

2972
02:17:12,690 --> 02:17:16,780
 to be voting no on this, something is going to

2973
02:17:16,780 --> 02:17:20,250
 have to change in order to change my mind on that

2974
02:17:20,250 --> 02:17:20,350
.

2975
02:17:20,310 --> 02:17:24,160
 I very badly want more affordable housing for

2976
02:17:24,160 --> 02:17:26,360
 students. This is going to be for students.

2977
02:17:26,360 --> 02:17:29,010
 let's not make any mistakes about it. We can't

2978
02:17:29,010 --> 02:17:31,710
 talk about who's going to live there. So I can't

2979
02:17:31,710 --> 02:17:33,770
 make an amendment saying, "Well, if it was

2980
02:17:33,770 --> 02:17:36,430
 seniors, it would be okay. We can't people zone.

2981
02:17:36,430 --> 02:17:36,880
 I'm not

2982
02:17:36,880 --> 02:17:40,850
 going to purport to do that." But this is not a

2983
02:17:40,850 --> 02:17:45,960
 good application. Now that all of these details

2984
02:17:45,960 --> 02:17:49,140
 are unraveling as much as I want to see

2985
02:17:49,140 --> 02:17:52,440
 improvement on this property, because believe me,

2986
02:17:52,440 --> 02:17:52,650
 I've been

2987
02:17:52,650 --> 02:17:55,750
 hearing from neighbors about the dilapidated

2988
02:17:55,750 --> 02:17:57,890
 conditions that the previous owner has allowed

2989
02:17:57,890 --> 02:18:00,590
 this the 40 seconds and that's going to be

2990
02:18:00,590 --> 02:18:02,790
 enforced and that's going to continue to be

2991
02:18:02,790 --> 02:18:03,820
 enforced but

2992
02:18:03,820 --> 02:18:05,860
 we can't say there was a problem with the

2993
02:18:05,860 --> 02:18:09,040
 maintenance of the property so we have to go we

2994
02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:09,510
 we have to

2995
02:18:09,510 --> 02:18:12,160
 say no no no site plan no no we don't know the

2996
02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:14,960
 number of units there there there are a lot of

2997
02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:18,450
 questions about the omb decision so this this

2998
02:18:18,450 --> 02:18:22,240
 application is going to need more work i would

2999
02:18:22,240 --> 02:18:25,350
 encourage the applicant to thank you counselor

3000
02:18:25,350 --> 02:18:28,070
 withdraw this and we need to spend more time with

3001
02:18:28,070 --> 02:18:31,470
 this. Thank you. Councillor Cuddy. Thank you,

3002
02:18:31,470 --> 02:18:33,140
 Chair, and through you. Yesterday, I had the

3003
02:18:33,140 --> 02:18:37,010
 opportunity to meet with the applicants, Councill

3004
02:18:37,010 --> 02:18:41,990
or Trosto, and also some residents from the street

3005
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:42,420
.

3006
02:18:42,420 --> 02:18:45,090
 And I appreciate Councillor Trosto giving me the

3007
02:18:45,090 --> 02:18:47,180
 time to speak about this yesterday.

3008
02:18:47,180 --> 02:18:49,680
 And one of the things that came up in my

3009
02:18:49,680 --> 02:18:52,300
 discussion with the applicants was that people

3010
02:18:52,300 --> 02:18:52,850
 had broken

3011
02:18:52,850 --> 02:18:56,110
 in, some vagrants had broken in, and it set a

3012
02:18:56,110 --> 02:18:59,100
 fire to the part of the building. They built a

3013
02:18:59,100 --> 02:18:59,350
 fire,

3014
02:18:59,350 --> 02:19:01,800
 there was drug paraphernalia left and and I have

3015
02:19:01,800 --> 02:19:02,920
 no doubt that in fact this

3016
02:19:02,920 --> 02:19:04,910
 happened they wouldn't have told me chair if it

3017
02:19:04,910 --> 02:19:06,120
 hadn't happened they don't

3018
02:19:06,120 --> 02:19:09,320
 think they they created this but someone had bes

3019
02:19:09,320 --> 02:19:12,330
et a fire and chair the

3020
02:19:12,330 --> 02:19:14,960
 applicants have moved ahead and have secured the

3021
02:19:14,960 --> 02:19:16,090
 entire building the

3022
02:19:16,090 --> 02:19:19,240
 perimeter they actually have a security guard

3023
02:19:19,240 --> 02:19:21,050
 that I believe is on on duty 24

3024
02:19:21,050 --> 02:19:23,750
 hours a dad could be corrected but they are

3025
02:19:23,750 --> 02:19:25,680
 making every effort to salvage that

3026
02:19:25,680 --> 02:19:28,080
 building a building that has been vacant for many

3027
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:30,130
 years and I can speak from

3028
02:19:30,130 --> 02:19:32,350
 experience chair of a building on Talbot Street

3029
02:19:32,350 --> 02:19:33,620
 that I lived next door to and I

3030
02:19:33,620 --> 02:19:35,390
 I apologize I'm not going to get off topic but it

3031
02:19:35,390 --> 02:19:36,470
 burned to the ground it was

3032
02:19:36,470 --> 02:19:39,700
 Locosmont 651 Talbot Street and it burnt to the

3033
02:19:39,700 --> 02:19:42,450
 ground chair because because the

3034
02:19:42,450 --> 02:19:46,110
 owners deliberately left it vacant and it was it

3035
02:19:46,110 --> 02:19:47,530
 was inhabited by people who

3036
02:19:47,530 --> 02:19:51,040
 just chose to destroy it and to set fire to it

3037
02:19:51,040 --> 02:19:52,380
 and a part of the ground well my

3038
02:19:52,380 --> 02:19:54,160
 family and I lived next door and I don't want to

3039
02:19:54,160 --> 02:19:55,220
 see that happen to this

3040
02:19:55,220 --> 02:19:58,520
 property and it could very well happen chair so

3041
02:19:58,520 --> 02:19:59,740
 we could break in there they

3042
02:19:59,740 --> 02:20:02,320
 don't have to break in, they could have walked in

3043
02:20:02,320 --> 02:20:05,430
, set another fire, and the building would

3044
02:20:05,430 --> 02:20:06,390
 be gone.

3045
02:20:06,390 --> 02:20:09,210
 A historic building would be demolished forever.

3046
02:20:09,210 --> 02:20:10,790
 The second point I want to make, and then I'm

3047
02:20:10,790 --> 02:20:12,700
 going to conclude, is Councillor Trosto

3048
02:20:12,700 --> 02:20:16,100
 said to me yesterday, "Peter, I wish they'd put

3049
02:20:16,100 --> 02:20:17,050
 seniors in there."

3050
02:20:17,050 --> 02:20:19,360
 Well, Councillor Trosto, I wish they would make

3051
02:20:19,360 --> 02:20:21,170
 it for seniors as well, but that's not

3052
02:20:21,170 --> 02:20:22,850
 our decision.

3053
02:20:22,850 --> 02:20:26,020
 And Deputy Mayor Lewis made this point earlier.

3054
02:20:26,020 --> 02:20:28,280
 Our decision is not to tell people what they can,

3055
02:20:28,280 --> 02:20:30,210
 builders and developers, who they can

3056
02:20:30,210 --> 02:20:33,250
 put into their building.

3057
02:20:33,250 --> 02:20:35,100
 So we don't have that choice.

3058
02:20:35,100 --> 02:20:37,890
 That's not our prerogative, but they have

3059
02:20:37,890 --> 02:20:40,640
 developed what I think is a very, very fine

3060
02:20:40,640 --> 02:20:43,160
 development that I think, well, at the end of the

3061
02:20:43,160 --> 02:20:45,350
 day, Chair, will be proud of.

3062
02:20:45,350 --> 02:20:47,920
 And I think the residents, I'm sure we'll be

3063
02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:49,400
 proud of.

3064
02:20:49,400 --> 02:20:51,670
 And that's all I have to say.

3065
02:20:51,670 --> 02:20:52,810
 Thank you, Chair.

3066
02:20:52,810 --> 02:20:54,460
 Thank you.

3067
02:20:54,460 --> 02:20:55,400
 I want for any other speakers.

3068
02:20:55,400 --> 02:20:58,680
 We have a motion moved and seconded.

3069
02:20:58,680 --> 02:21:15,420
 We'll call the vote.

3070
02:21:15,420 --> 02:21:16,380
 Closing the vote.

3071
02:21:16,380 --> 02:21:20,390
 The motion carries five to zero.

3072
02:21:20,390 --> 02:21:21,310
 Thank you.

3073
02:21:21,310 --> 02:21:22,950
 Moving on to 3.7.

3074
02:21:22,950 --> 02:21:26,780
 this is regarding 36 weathered street.

3075
02:21:26,780 --> 02:21:51,090
 We'll call the vote on opening the PPM.

3076
02:21:51,090 --> 02:21:53,050
 - I think the vote, the motion carries five to

3077
02:21:53,050 --> 02:21:55,250
 zero.

3078
02:21:55,250 --> 02:21:56,820
 - Thank you, and if the applicant would like

3079
02:21:56,820 --> 02:21:58,950
 to address, please sir, give us your name, you'll

3080
02:21:58,950 --> 02:22:01,930
 five minutes.

3081
02:22:01,930 --> 02:22:04,470
 - Through the chair, my name's Adam Lagrou.

3082
02:22:04,470 --> 02:22:06,740
 I'm a planner at Montyth Brown Planning Consult

3083
02:22:06,740 --> 02:22:07,080
ants,

3084
02:22:07,080 --> 02:22:09,750
 and we're here on behalf of the property owner of

3085
02:22:09,750 --> 02:22:10,920
 36 Weathered.

3086
02:22:10,920 --> 02:22:14,780
 We just like to thank staff for their work on

3087
02:22:14,780 --> 02:22:15,930
 this

3088
02:22:15,930 --> 02:22:19,110
 application with the bylaw they've presented.

3089
02:22:19,110 --> 02:22:22,040
 We believe that it will help City of London get

3090
02:22:22,040 --> 02:22:26,480
 to its goal of 47,000 new homes by 2031.

3091
02:22:26,480 --> 02:22:28,930
 Just want to note that the development, we have

3092
02:22:28,930 --> 02:22:35,010
 12 parking spaces for the 9 units proposed.

3093
02:22:35,010 --> 02:22:37,660
 Thank you again for staff and we're hoping that

3094
02:22:37,660 --> 02:22:40,530
 committee can endorse the staff recommendation.

3095
02:22:40,530 --> 02:22:42,710
 We're here to answer any questions that the

3096
02:22:42,710 --> 02:22:44,860
 committee or public may have.

3097
02:22:44,860 --> 02:22:45,830
 Thank you.

3098
02:22:45,830 --> 02:22:48,660
 I'll look for other speakers from the public.

3099
02:22:48,660 --> 02:22:49,590
 Please ma'am, give us your name.

3100
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:50,650
 You have five minutes.

3101
02:22:50,650 --> 02:22:54,170
 Hi, my name is Haley McKinnis and I live at 38

3102
02:22:54,170 --> 02:22:56,640
 Weather Street directly beside 36 Weather

3103
02:22:56,640 --> 02:22:59,490
 Street. My husband and I bought our home eight

3104
02:22:59,490 --> 02:23:01,200
 years ago and were drawn to the quiet

3105
02:23:01,200 --> 02:23:04,360
 street with big yards, lots of trees and privacy.

3106
02:23:04,360 --> 02:23:08,140
 That will all change if you accept the proposal.

3107
02:23:08,140 --> 02:23:10,050
 It appears to me that the property owners,

3108
02:23:10,050 --> 02:23:12,180
 developers and deputy city manager of housing

3109
02:23:12,180 --> 02:23:14,440
 and community growth who had recommended approval

3110
02:23:14,440 --> 02:23:15,980
 have not considered the impact to the

3111
02:23:15,980 --> 02:23:16,500
 neighborhood

3112
02:23:16,500 --> 02:23:19,450
 or adjacent properties. There is a lot of context

3113
02:23:19,450 --> 02:23:21,100
, analysis and consideration missing

3114
02:23:21,100 --> 02:23:22,720
 from the application.

3115
02:23:22,720 --> 02:23:24,640
 The proposal has been compared in isolation to

3116
02:23:24,640 --> 02:23:26,470
 the London Plan and that analysis has been

3117
02:23:26,470 --> 02:23:27,660
 deemed sufficient.

3118
02:23:27,660 --> 02:23:30,890
 I hope that you declined the proposal today.

3119
02:23:30,890 --> 02:23:32,600
 After living next door to the property, it is

3120
02:23:32,600 --> 02:23:34,180
 evident that the property owners do not

3121
02:23:34,180 --> 02:23:36,340
 care about the impact this development will have

3122
02:23:36,340 --> 02:23:37,600
 on the neighbourhood.

3123
02:23:37,600 --> 02:23:40,380
 I'm sure you've all cut your grass two, three

3124
02:23:40,380 --> 02:23:42,030
 times so far this year.

3125
02:23:42,030 --> 02:23:44,500
 The property owners have not cut their grass yet

3126
02:23:44,500 --> 02:23:46,540
 this year and that is not unique to this

3127
02:23:46,540 --> 02:23:48,970
 year or this season.

3128
02:23:48,970 --> 02:23:50,870
 They have also offered to purchase our property

3129
02:23:50,870 --> 02:23:53,100
 to rent it back to us so that they can then

3130
02:23:53,100 --> 02:23:55,330
 evict us from our home when they are ready to

3131
02:23:55,330 --> 02:23:57,920
 develop the two properties.

3132
02:23:57,920 --> 02:23:59,940
 If that does not tell you that their motivation

3133
02:23:59,940 --> 02:24:01,940
 is purely monetary and not for the betterment

3134
02:24:01,940 --> 02:24:04,960
 of the community, I don't know what else will.

3135
02:24:04,960 --> 02:24:06,830
 As for the proposal itself, there are many

3136
02:24:06,830 --> 02:24:09,390
 elements and features that don't make sense.

3137
02:24:09,390 --> 02:24:11,820
 The Deputy City Manager is recommending approval

3138
02:24:11,820 --> 02:24:14,160
 of a plan that inaccurately shows the property

3139
02:24:14,160 --> 02:24:16,100
 line through our house.

3140
02:24:16,100 --> 02:24:18,250
 that gives a false sense of space

3141
02:24:18,250 --> 02:24:20,350
 to build their fire row and landscaping.

3142
02:24:20,350 --> 02:24:21,630
 Does that not make you question

3143
02:24:21,630 --> 02:24:23,950
 what else may be inaccurate?

3144
02:24:23,950 --> 02:24:26,450
 The proposal also left out key features of our

3145
02:24:26,450 --> 02:24:27,080
 property,

3146
02:24:27,080 --> 02:24:29,480
 namely a deck and patio along the south side of

3147
02:24:29,480 --> 02:24:30,360
 our property.

3148
02:24:30,360 --> 02:24:32,680
 These along with our bedrooms being along our

3149
02:24:32,680 --> 02:24:33,530
 south wall

3150
02:24:33,530 --> 02:24:36,210
 will make our daily life significantly impacted

3151
02:24:36,210 --> 02:24:39,200
 by this development from the increased noise and

3152
02:24:39,200 --> 02:24:39,910
 light

3153
02:24:39,910 --> 02:24:42,570
 as well as reduced privacy.

3154
02:24:42,570 --> 02:24:44,320
 None of this was seriously considered

3155
02:24:44,320 --> 02:24:46,280
 and the only mitigating factor proposed

3156
02:24:46,280 --> 02:24:47,930
 was a six foot fence.

3157
02:24:47,930 --> 02:24:51,780
 As you'll see, my husband is taller than that.

3158
02:24:51,780 --> 02:24:54,160
 We also do not consent to the removal of the

3159
02:24:54,160 --> 02:24:54,650
 trees.

3160
02:24:54,650 --> 02:24:56,380
 This will significantly hinder the design

3161
02:24:56,380 --> 02:24:57,750
 of their proposal.

3162
02:24:57,750 --> 02:24:59,200
 And what about the increased drainage

3163
02:24:59,200 --> 02:25:01,160
 into our yard due to the proposed paving

3164
02:25:01,160 --> 02:25:03,450
 and, again, lack of mitigation?

3165
02:25:03,450 --> 02:25:05,000
 Should they not have taken those into

3166
02:25:05,000 --> 02:25:05,600
 consideration

3167
02:25:05,600 --> 02:25:07,920
 or discussed it with us first?

3168
02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:10,950
 Again, this all points to a lack of consideration

3169
02:25:10,950 --> 02:25:13,260
 and analysis as to the impact it will have on our

3170
02:25:13,260 --> 02:25:14,690
 property.

3171
02:25:14,690 --> 02:25:17,020
 The proposal also references 16 Weather Street

3172
02:25:17,020 --> 02:25:17,930
 many times,

3173
02:25:17,930 --> 02:25:19,360
 but as residents of Weather Street,

3174
02:25:19,360 --> 02:25:21,410
 We are very aware of parking and garbage removal

3175
02:25:21,410 --> 02:25:21,870
 issues

3176
02:25:21,870 --> 02:25:23,650
 and lack of enforcement.

3177
02:25:23,650 --> 02:25:25,070
 That property has eight units

3178
02:25:25,070 --> 02:25:27,510
 with two dedicated parking spots per unit.

3179
02:25:27,510 --> 02:25:30,870
 Yet we are to believe that less parking per unit

3180
02:25:30,870 --> 02:25:32,690
 with only 12 for, as they said, eight,

3181
02:25:32,690 --> 02:25:34,910
 but I believe it's, they said nine,

3182
02:25:34,910 --> 02:25:36,410
 I believe it's only eight units,

3183
02:25:36,410 --> 02:25:39,490
 is supposed to be sufficient as well.

3184
02:25:39,490 --> 02:25:42,120
 How is it intensification of the property deemed

3185
02:25:42,120 --> 02:25:42,740
 acceptable

3186
02:25:42,740 --> 02:25:46,020
 when 16 Weather Street's law is 24% bigger

3187
02:25:46,020 --> 02:25:48,090
 and they had to reduce their intensification

3188
02:25:48,090 --> 02:25:50,290
 from 10 units to eight?

3189
02:25:50,290 --> 02:25:52,360
 Finally, I feel there is no true analysis done

3190
02:25:52,360 --> 02:25:54,570
 as to the need to rezone the property.

3191
02:25:54,570 --> 02:25:56,260
 16 Weathered Street, along with the new

3192
02:25:56,260 --> 02:25:56,760
 development

3193
02:25:56,760 --> 02:25:59,180
 at Oxford and Highbury, provide ample housing

3194
02:25:59,180 --> 02:26:00,300
 opportunities.

3195
02:26:00,300 --> 02:26:02,320
 Within the vicinity to these developments

3196
02:26:02,320 --> 02:26:04,610
 and the reduced enrollment at Fanshawe and

3197
02:26:04,610 --> 02:26:05,310
 Western,

3198
02:26:05,310 --> 02:26:07,450
 I'm not convinced rezoning is necessary

3199
02:26:07,450 --> 02:26:09,520
 or that the amount of infill is needed on one

3200
02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:11,270
 street alone.

3201
02:26:11,270 --> 02:26:13,000
 The proposal significantly lacks any

3202
02:26:13,000 --> 02:26:13,810
 consideration

3203
02:26:13,810 --> 02:26:15,520
 for the impact it will have on the neighborhood

3204
02:26:15,520 --> 02:26:17,030
 or adjacent properties.

3205
02:26:17,030 --> 02:26:18,820
 If this rezoning is approved, Councillors,

3206
02:26:18,820 --> 02:26:19,890
 you're setting a precedent

3207
02:26:19,890 --> 02:26:22,060
 that any property on Weather Street can be rez

3208
02:26:22,060 --> 02:26:22,470
oned

3209
02:26:22,470 --> 02:26:25,890
 just because another one was.

3210
02:26:25,890 --> 02:26:27,200
 I ask you all to consider,

3211
02:26:27,200 --> 02:26:29,050
 what if this was your neighbor proposing to do

3212
02:26:29,050 --> 02:26:29,980
 this to you?

3213
02:26:29,980 --> 02:26:31,410
 Would you be comfortable and content

3214
02:26:31,410 --> 02:26:33,320
 with the level of analysis conducted and

3215
02:26:33,320 --> 02:26:34,670
 mitigation proposed

3216
02:26:34,670 --> 02:26:36,980
 and then be understanding when city staff approve

3217
02:26:36,980 --> 02:26:37,130
 it

3218
02:26:37,130 --> 02:26:39,860
 because it checks some boxes on a city plan?

3219
02:26:39,860 --> 02:26:42,380
 Thank you.

3220
02:26:42,380 --> 02:26:53,270
 - Thank you, I'll look for the next speaker.

3221
02:26:53,270 --> 02:26:54,880
 Please sir, give us your name and you have five

3222
02:26:54,880 --> 02:26:56,090
 minutes.

3223
02:26:56,090 --> 02:26:57,320
 Good afternoon, everybody.

3224
02:26:57,320 --> 02:26:58,820
 My name is Zachary McInnes.

3225
02:26:58,820 --> 02:27:02,210
 I live directly north of the subject property.

3226
02:27:02,210 --> 02:27:05,790
 To reiterate the representative from Monty Brown

3227
02:27:05,790 --> 02:27:07,000
 said it was nine units, it's actually

3228
02:27:07,000 --> 02:27:07,980
 eight.

3229
02:27:07,980 --> 02:27:11,430
 So that's incorrect on his part, I just want to

3230
02:27:11,430 --> 02:27:13,120
 clarify that.

3231
02:27:13,120 --> 02:27:15,700
 To begin, basically, I just want to thank

3232
02:27:15,700 --> 02:27:18,370
 everybody here and everybody online.

3233
02:27:18,370 --> 02:27:21,830
 I've lived at the property with my wife for the

3234
02:27:21,830 --> 02:27:23,240
 past eight years.

3235
02:27:23,240 --> 02:27:27,460
 Basically, we live there with our newborn baby

3236
02:27:27,460 --> 02:27:27,950
 girl.

3237
02:27:27,950 --> 02:27:30,240
 This is in our second home, our third home.

3238
02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:31,350
 This is our only home.

3239
02:27:31,350 --> 02:27:32,340
 This is where we live.

3240
02:27:32,340 --> 02:27:33,330
 This is where we call home.

3241
02:27:33,330 --> 02:27:37,920
 This is where we go and relax at the end of the

3242
02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:38,550
 day.

3243
02:27:38,550 --> 02:27:42,400
 Basically, I would just kind of really want you

3244
02:27:42,400 --> 02:27:42,990
 guys

3245
02:27:42,990 --> 02:27:44,870
 to read the report that we submitted

3246
02:27:44,870 --> 02:27:47,690
 and that our neighbors submitted.

3247
02:27:47,690 --> 02:27:49,830
 The application submitted is very aggressive

3248
02:27:49,830 --> 02:27:54,240
 and it's the most dense housing structure complex

3249
02:27:54,240 --> 02:27:55,910
 on the street.

3250
02:27:55,910 --> 02:27:58,290
 They make reference, again, to 16 weathered

3251
02:27:58,290 --> 02:27:59,640
 several times.

3252
02:27:59,640 --> 02:28:01,500
 That property is actually much larger.

3253
02:28:01,500 --> 02:28:04,280
 It's actually 24% larger when you review the

3254
02:28:04,280 --> 02:28:04,870
 application

3255
02:28:04,870 --> 02:28:07,330
 they submitted versus the application that was

3256
02:28:07,330 --> 02:28:09,350
 submitted and approved for 16

3257
02:28:09,350 --> 02:28:15,820
 weather. So it's significantly larger. Another

3258
02:28:15,820 --> 02:28:16,840
 key point is I just want to

3259
02:28:16,840 --> 02:28:18,940
 mention the inadequate parking that has been

3260
02:28:18,940 --> 02:28:21,100
 proposed. I don't want it to much but

3261
02:28:21,100 --> 02:28:26,480
 basically the proposed application has 12 parking

3262
02:28:26,480 --> 02:28:28,690
 spots for eight units and if

3263
02:28:28,690 --> 02:28:31,140
 you break down that parking it is actually one

3264
02:28:31,140 --> 02:28:32,580
 visitor parking, one

3265
02:28:32,580 --> 02:28:35,340
 accessible parking which basically just leaves 10

3266
02:28:35,340 --> 02:28:36,030
 spots for eight

3267
02:28:36,030 --> 02:28:40,850
 residential units. Again, when I go back and I

3268
02:28:40,850 --> 02:28:44,490
 listen to all the different scheduled items like

3269
02:28:44,490 --> 02:28:48,740
 3.7 and especially earlier with Mr. Cuddy, he

3270
02:28:48,740 --> 02:28:52,360
 mentioned specifically, oh like with Auburn

3271
02:28:52,360 --> 02:28:54,940
 developments, you may have made a comment that

3272
02:28:54,940 --> 02:28:57,020
 most of the parking spaces or most of the

3273
02:28:57,020 --> 02:28:58,680
 residents

3274
02:28:58,680 --> 02:29:01,660
 within the city, it's pretty common they have two

3275
02:29:01,660 --> 02:29:04,970
 cars. Realistically, that doesn't actually fit

3276
02:29:04,970 --> 02:29:08,210
 here if we have less than two cars for parking so

3277
02:29:08,210 --> 02:29:09,670
 I'm not really sure how that

3278
02:29:09,670 --> 02:29:13,910
 is going to work. Additionally there's currently

3279
02:29:13,910 --> 02:29:15,150
 inadequate snow storage and

3280
02:29:15,150 --> 02:29:19,890
 removal based on the submitted concept plan. On

3281
02:29:19,890 --> 02:29:21,400
 the concept plan submitted by

3282
02:29:21,400 --> 02:29:26,630
 Monteith Brown there's only indicating a six foot

3283
02:29:26,630 --> 02:29:29,300
 by roughly two feet spot placed

3284
02:29:29,300 --> 02:29:33,300
 between buildings A and building B for snow

3285
02:29:33,300 --> 02:29:36,730
 removal. So realistically a six foot

3286
02:29:36,730 --> 02:29:40,590
 spot between a building for a complex. Just think

3287
02:29:40,590 --> 02:29:43,070
 of your driveway. Your driveway would

3288
02:29:43,070 --> 02:29:45,260
 have more snow than that. They're going to have

3289
02:29:45,260 --> 02:29:47,650
 essentially two lanes of traffic, one

3290
02:29:47,650 --> 02:29:49,910
 with the fire lane and one with the entrance lane

3291
02:29:49,910 --> 02:29:51,210
 into the property. And they're going

3292
02:29:51,210 --> 02:29:54,470
 to somehow manage to maneuver all of that snow

3293
02:29:54,470 --> 02:29:57,120
 somehow within two buildings. To me, that

3294
02:29:57,120 --> 02:30:00,200
 doesn't seem realistic. Additionally, it also

3295
02:30:00,200 --> 02:30:04,890
 increases the flooding risk to my property.

3296
02:30:04,890 --> 02:30:07,810
 And on the top of the fire route,

3297
02:30:07,810 --> 02:30:10,170
 the fire route is directly outside the bedroom

3298
02:30:10,170 --> 02:30:10,540
 window

3299
02:30:10,540 --> 02:30:13,010
 of all three of my bedroom windows.

3300
02:30:13,010 --> 02:30:16,880
 So again, we live in a very modest house.

3301
02:30:16,880 --> 02:30:18,720
 It's the only house we have.

3302
02:30:18,720 --> 02:30:20,630
 There's all three of the bedrooms

3303
02:30:20,630 --> 02:30:25,600
 are directly within two meters of the property

3304
02:30:25,600 --> 02:30:27,360
 line.

3305
02:30:27,360 --> 02:30:29,410
 Basically, there hasn't been any consideration

3306
02:30:29,410 --> 02:30:31,410
 into how that affects my daily life, the life of

3307
02:30:31,410 --> 02:30:31,890
 my wife,

3308
02:30:31,890 --> 02:30:35,510
 or the life of my children.

3309
02:30:35,510 --> 02:30:38,180
 Additionally, it's not even just the fact

3310
02:30:38,180 --> 02:30:39,640
 that there's eight units.

3311
02:30:39,640 --> 02:30:42,320
 It's not just eight units, it's eight units,

3312
02:30:42,320 --> 02:30:47,280
 it's their, there's eight units, it's their

3313
02:30:47,280 --> 02:30:47,780
 guests,

3314
02:30:47,780 --> 02:30:49,580
 it's their Uber Eats, it's their Amazon,

3315
02:30:49,580 --> 02:30:53,860
 it's their FedEx, it's not just eight units.

3316
02:30:53,860 --> 02:30:57,960
 Additionally, the planning and advisory,

3317
02:30:57,960 --> 02:30:59,590
 sorry, the planning and environmental committee

3318
02:30:59,590 --> 02:31:02,010
 has not addressed how they will mitigate these

3319
02:31:02,010 --> 02:31:03,270
 factors.

3320
02:31:03,270 --> 02:31:08,280
 There's also a few key things that we touched on

3321
02:31:08,280 --> 02:31:09,280
 today.

3322
02:31:09,280 --> 02:31:11,820
 Mr. Trossa who's not here at the moment,

3323
02:31:11,820 --> 02:31:13,620
 but he kind of mentioned before.

3324
02:31:13,620 --> 02:31:15,060
 We need more infill.

3325
02:31:15,060 --> 02:31:17,040
 We need more thoughtful infill is what he was

3326
02:31:17,040 --> 02:31:18,280
 saying.

3327
02:31:18,280 --> 02:31:21,700
 I totally agree that infill is a good thing

3328
02:31:21,700 --> 02:31:23,930
 in certain circumstances, so long as it's

3329
02:31:23,930 --> 02:31:24,930
 thoughtful.

3330
02:31:24,930 --> 02:31:27,040
 I do not believe this is thought out well.

3331
02:31:27,040 --> 02:31:29,570
 I do not believe it's thought out intentionally

3332
02:31:29,570 --> 02:31:33,550
 and ultimately it will fall on me and my family.

3333
02:31:33,550 --> 02:31:36,550
 30 seconds.

3334
02:31:36,550 --> 02:31:39,490
 Some final things I want to mention is basically,

3335
02:31:39,490 --> 02:31:42,450
 Councilor Raman made a very good point.

3336
02:31:42,450 --> 02:31:44,050
 Well, why haven't we considered,

3337
02:31:44,050 --> 02:31:46,430
 why isn't the applicant considered the ADU?

3338
02:31:46,430 --> 02:31:47,930
 What's wrong with building an ADU?

3339
02:31:47,930 --> 02:31:50,380
 That increases density, makes a more vibrant

3340
02:31:50,380 --> 02:31:50,990
 community.

3341
02:31:50,990 --> 02:31:53,990
 It also addresses many of the key concerns.

3342
02:31:53,990 --> 02:31:56,140
 Basically, that would be my question

3343
02:31:56,140 --> 02:31:58,090
 to the planning and environmental committee as

3344
02:31:58,090 --> 02:31:58,630
 well.

3345
02:31:58,630 --> 02:32:00,590
 - Thank you very much, that's your time.

3346
02:32:00,590 --> 02:32:02,550
 - Thank you.

3347
02:32:02,550 --> 02:32:09,990
 - I'll look for the next speaker.

3348
02:32:09,990 --> 02:32:11,440
 Please sir, give us your name and you have five

3349
02:32:11,440 --> 02:32:11,880
 minutes.

3350
02:32:11,880 --> 02:32:13,010
 - Okay, thank you.

3351
02:32:13,010 --> 02:32:14,110
 My name is Stephen McGinnis.

3352
02:32:14,110 --> 02:32:16,070
 I wanted to thank the planning committee

3353
02:32:16,070 --> 02:32:17,470
 for the opportunity to speak.

3354
02:32:17,470 --> 02:32:22,210
 I'm a professional engineer by profession

3355
02:32:22,210 --> 02:32:25,190
 And I reviewed, along with my son, the planning

3356
02:32:25,190 --> 02:32:26,510
 application.

3357
02:32:26,510 --> 02:32:29,140
 And I just wanted to highlight that there's a few

3358
02:32:29,140 --> 02:32:29,750
 things in there

3359
02:32:29,750 --> 02:32:32,490
 that are a little bit suspect and should be

3360
02:32:32,490 --> 02:32:35,070
 really looked at closely.

3361
02:32:35,070 --> 02:32:38,140
 One being the discussion about parking.

3362
02:32:38,140 --> 02:32:41,750
 While it's acknowledged there's 12 parking spots

3363
02:32:41,750 --> 02:32:43,480
 for the eight units,

3364
02:32:43,480 --> 02:32:47,140
 that's in itself a little bit misleading.

3365
02:32:47,140 --> 02:32:50,620
 Of the 12 parking spots, one's accessible, one's

3366
02:32:50,620 --> 02:32:52,540
 dedicated for visitors.

3367
02:32:52,540 --> 02:32:54,550
 that's leaving 10 spots.

3368
02:32:54,550 --> 02:32:57,900
 Of those 10 spots, it's all predicated on the

3369
02:32:57,900 --> 02:32:58,360
 four units

3370
02:32:58,360 --> 02:33:01,430
 at the back of the property of the proposal,

3371
02:33:01,430 --> 02:33:04,380
 having one unit or one parking space in the

3372
02:33:04,380 --> 02:33:05,170
 garage

3373
02:33:05,170 --> 02:33:08,520
 and one parking space in front of the garage.

3374
02:33:08,520 --> 02:33:11,290
 So effectively, you have two parking spaces

3375
02:33:11,290 --> 02:33:13,940
 dedicated to each of those units

3376
02:33:13,940 --> 02:33:18,250
 and for eight leaving two parking spots

3377
02:33:18,250 --> 02:33:20,260
 for the remaining four units.

3378
02:33:20,260 --> 02:33:22,740
 Inevitably, that's gonna lead to parking in the

3379
02:33:22,740 --> 02:33:24,200
 fire lane,

3380
02:33:24,200 --> 02:33:26,610
 which it becomes an enforcement issue,

3381
02:33:26,610 --> 02:33:28,590
 or parking in the winter time

3382
02:33:28,590 --> 02:33:31,710
 where no overnight parking's permitted on the

3383
02:33:31,710 --> 02:33:34,100
 road itself.

3384
02:33:34,100 --> 02:33:37,100
 The second thing is the drainage, the site

3385
02:33:37,100 --> 02:33:38,200
 drainage.

3386
02:33:38,200 --> 02:33:40,100
 I looked at the site drainage,

3387
02:33:40,100 --> 02:33:42,830
 and from what I can tell, it's wrong.

3388
02:33:42,830 --> 02:33:47,380
 It's the report itself as conflicting information

3389
02:33:47,380 --> 02:33:49,310
 within the planning proposal

3390
02:33:49,310 --> 02:33:51,930
 with respect to drainage area and runoff

3391
02:33:51,930 --> 02:33:54,040
 coefficient.

3392
02:33:54,040 --> 02:33:57,970
 So that's something that was not really

3393
02:33:57,970 --> 02:33:59,050
 adequately

3394
02:33:59,050 --> 02:34:03,130
 discussed in the staff report, as far as I'm

3395
02:34:03,130 --> 02:34:04,240
 concerned.

3396
02:34:04,240 --> 02:34:07,480
 I also want to suggest that the London plan,

3397
02:34:07,480 --> 02:34:08,020
 which has been

3398
02:34:08,020 --> 02:34:13,080
 talked about many times, talks about the type of

3399
02:34:13,080 --> 02:34:13,920
 rezoning

3400
02:34:13,920 --> 02:34:16,280
 and considerations in rezoning.

3401
02:34:16,280 --> 02:34:19,330
 And one of the key points is potential impacts

3402
02:34:19,330 --> 02:34:22,760
 on adjacent and nearby properties in the area

3403
02:34:22,760 --> 02:34:26,370
 and the degree to which such impacts can be mit

3404
02:34:26,370 --> 02:34:26,680
igated

3405
02:34:26,680 --> 02:34:28,560
 or managed and mitigated.

3406
02:34:28,560 --> 02:34:32,540
 That is something that is simply mentioned,

3407
02:34:32,540 --> 02:34:36,250
 but there's no actual indication of how there's

3408
02:34:36,250 --> 02:34:37,980
 any mitigation.

3409
02:34:37,980 --> 02:34:41,140
 So with those points being made,

3410
02:34:41,140 --> 02:34:43,830
 I would just like to suggest that

3411
02:34:43,830 --> 02:34:47,550
 if the planning committee is going to consider

3412
02:34:47,550 --> 02:34:50,650
 the proposal to redevelop or to rezone,

3413
02:34:50,650 --> 02:34:54,120
 it should be without the further five amendments

3414
02:34:54,120 --> 02:34:56,910
 that's being proposed within the rezoning.

3415
02:34:56,910 --> 02:35:02,590
 So limit the rezoning to just the R5 designation,

3416
02:35:02,590 --> 02:35:07,490
 not the other five amendments that's being

3417
02:35:07,490 --> 02:35:08,470
 requested.

3418
02:35:08,470 --> 02:35:11,900
 By not agreeing to the other five amendments,

3419
02:35:11,900 --> 02:35:14,730
 it may create sufficient space on site

3420
02:35:14,730 --> 02:35:16,850
 to mitigate some of the impacts

3421
02:35:16,850 --> 02:35:19,680
 that are anticipated with this development.

3422
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:20,850
 So with that, I'd like to thank you

3423
02:35:20,850 --> 02:35:24,620
 and look forward to the outcome.

3424
02:35:24,620 --> 02:35:25,410
 - Thank you.

3425
02:35:25,410 --> 02:35:29,110
 I'll look for the next speaker.

3426
02:35:29,110 --> 02:35:34,610
 - I'll ask the clerk if there's anyone online.

3427
02:35:34,610 --> 02:35:36,280
 There is nobody online.

3428
02:35:36,280 --> 02:35:38,220
 I don't see anyone also approaching the

3429
02:35:38,220 --> 02:35:39,330
 microphones,

3430
02:35:39,330 --> 02:35:53,210
 so I'll open the vote to close PPM.

3431
02:35:53,210 --> 02:35:55,130
 - I'll bring the vote, the motion carries five to

3432
02:35:55,130 --> 02:35:55,880
 zero.

3433
02:35:55,880 --> 02:35:57,390
 - Okay, I'll put this item on the floor for

3434
02:35:57,390 --> 02:35:58,330
 committee.

3435
02:35:58,330 --> 02:35:59,770
 Councillor Cutty.

3436
02:35:59,770 --> 02:36:01,030
 - Thank you Chair, I'll move the staff

3437
02:36:01,030 --> 02:36:01,940
 recommendation.

3438
02:36:01,940 --> 02:36:07,650
 - Thank you, I'll look for a seconder.

3439
02:36:07,650 --> 02:36:09,640
 Councillor Hillier, seconds.

3440
02:36:09,640 --> 02:36:10,900
 We have motion moved and seconded.

3441
02:36:10,900 --> 02:36:22,210
 I'll look for comments or questions.

3442
02:36:22,210 --> 02:36:24,180
 Is that Councillor?

3443
02:36:24,180 --> 02:36:25,750
 - I just know sometimes you address some of the

3444
02:36:25,750 --> 02:36:26,160
 questions

3445
02:36:26,160 --> 02:36:27,730
 that were asked in the gallery.

3446
02:36:27,730 --> 02:36:31,700
 There were no, there was comments and before,

3447
02:36:31,700 --> 02:36:33,560
 but there was no specific questions that I heard,

3448
02:36:33,560 --> 02:36:36,990
 but committee and visiting counselors are well,

3449
02:36:36,990 --> 02:36:40,310
 are perfectly capable of asking their questions.

3450
02:36:40,310 --> 02:36:41,330
 - Okay, sounds good.

3451
02:36:41,330 --> 02:36:43,330
 I do have a few questions.

3452
02:36:43,330 --> 02:36:50,140
 In this case, there were the town homes at 16 we

3453
02:36:50,140 --> 02:36:50,480
athered,

3454
02:36:50,480 --> 02:36:52,770
 which went through, it was just approved

3455
02:36:52,770 --> 02:36:55,680
 in this term of council.

3456
02:36:55,680 --> 02:36:58,920
 This is now, you know,

3457
02:36:58,920 --> 02:37:01,260
 there's a stretch of single family homes north of

3458
02:37:01,260 --> 02:37:02,040
 that.

3459
02:37:02,040 --> 02:37:07,560
 And this is one lot on this string of single

3460
02:37:07,560 --> 02:37:08,050
 family homes

3461
02:37:08,050 --> 02:37:11,480
 that is now being proposed to be eight.

3462
02:37:11,480 --> 02:37:15,780
 And it does raise the issue of, you know,

3463
02:37:15,780 --> 02:37:20,350
 can this just happen on any street with a single

3464
02:37:20,350 --> 02:37:20,810
 family homes?

3465
02:37:20,810 --> 02:37:25,620
 So I wanted to just raise on page 208

3466
02:37:25,620 --> 02:37:28,550
 where it talks about policy 969.

3467
02:37:28,550 --> 02:37:31,010
 It says that the London Plan further discourage

3468
02:37:31,010 --> 02:37:31,500
 forms

3469
02:37:31,500 --> 02:37:33,610
 of intensification within nearby campus

3470
02:37:33,610 --> 02:37:34,910
 neighborhoods that.

3471
02:37:34,910 --> 02:37:37,580
 And one of the things that says is continue an ad

3472
02:37:37,580 --> 02:37:38,000
 hoc

3473
02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:41,020
 and incremental trend towards residential intens

3474
02:37:41,020 --> 02:37:41,580
ification

3475
02:37:41,580 --> 02:37:44,010
 within a given street, block or neighborhood

3476
02:37:44,010 --> 02:37:47,520
 rather than a proactive coordinated and planned

3477
02:37:47,520 --> 02:37:48,100
 approach

3478
02:37:48,100 --> 02:37:50,390
 towards residential intensification.

3479
02:37:50,390 --> 02:37:52,230
 So I just wondered if staff could help us

3480
02:37:52,230 --> 02:37:52,880
 understand,

3481
02:37:52,880 --> 02:37:55,790
 like I think that the neighborhood understood the

3482
02:37:55,790 --> 02:37:56,490
 townhomes

3483
02:37:56,490 --> 02:37:59,300
 right near the commercial property near Oxford,

3484
02:37:59,300 --> 02:38:03,400
 But this does seem ad hoc, and it does seem out

3485
02:38:03,400 --> 02:38:03,890
 of line

3486
02:38:03,890 --> 02:38:06,200
 with what's currently there.

3487
02:38:06,200 --> 02:38:09,500
 - I'll go to staff, through the chair,

3488
02:38:09,500 --> 02:38:11,820
 and thank you for the question.

3489
02:38:11,820 --> 02:38:13,580
 With regards to the near campus neighborhoods,

3490
02:38:13,580 --> 02:38:16,020
 which was the policy that you're referring to,

3491
02:38:16,020 --> 02:38:18,750
 there are a number of criteria that need to be

3492
02:38:18,750 --> 02:38:19,030
 met

3493
02:38:19,030 --> 02:38:20,880
 in order for residential intensification within

3494
02:38:20,880 --> 02:38:21,600
 that NCN

3495
02:38:21,600 --> 02:38:24,330
 or the near campus neighborhood to be appropriate

3496
02:38:24,330 --> 02:38:24,690
.

3497
02:38:24,690 --> 02:38:28,910
 And a couple of them are conformity with table 10

3498
02:38:28,910 --> 02:38:29,340
, 11,

3499
02:38:29,340 --> 02:38:32,200
 12 of the Lomond Plan, which is the use and

3500
02:38:32,200 --> 02:38:34,480
 intensity that is permitted, and this proposed

3501
02:38:34,480 --> 02:38:37,140
 development meets those criteria. Up to three

3502
02:38:37,140 --> 02:38:39,840
 stories is permitted here. This proposed

3503
02:38:39,840 --> 02:38:40,220
 development

3504
02:38:40,220 --> 02:38:44,260
 is two stories and then or seven meters. And a

3505
02:38:44,260 --> 02:38:46,490
 number of other criteria which you referenced

3506
02:38:46,490 --> 02:38:50,360
 as well is whether this is an incremental change

3507
02:38:50,360 --> 02:38:53,590
 or ad hoc development. And in our opinion,

3508
02:38:53,590 --> 02:38:56,360
 this is actually the opposite because it's a

3509
02:38:56,360 --> 02:38:58,830
 specific zoning by-law amendment to this

3510
02:38:58,830 --> 02:39:01,600
 application instead of what we could consider ad

3511
02:39:01,600 --> 02:39:03,350
 hoc development, for example, additional

3512
02:39:03,350 --> 02:39:06,450
 residential units being added onto a single-det

3513
02:39:06,450 --> 02:39:08,770
ached dwelling, which is also occurring

3514
02:39:08,770 --> 02:39:09,920
 on the street.

3515
02:39:09,920 --> 02:39:12,710
 So by this certain bylaw amendment, this is going

3516
02:39:12,710 --> 02:39:15,180
 through the appropriate process to

3517
02:39:15,180 --> 02:39:18,860
 allow for review and ultimately also public

3518
02:39:18,860 --> 02:39:20,300
 engagement.

3519
02:39:20,300 --> 02:39:22,990
 And so it's not an incremental change, but it's a

3520
02:39:22,990 --> 02:39:26,030
 site-specific zoning bylaw amendment.

3521
02:39:26,030 --> 02:39:29,910
 Councillor.

3522
02:39:29,910 --> 02:39:31,270
 I guess the question would be,

3523
02:39:31,270 --> 02:39:34,280
 this is a street of single family homes.

3524
02:39:34,280 --> 02:39:37,710
 And now one is being rezoned for eight.

3525
02:39:37,710 --> 02:39:43,280
 So like, so then are we gonna be doing that

3526
02:39:43,280 --> 02:39:45,070
 all the way along, or are there's gonna,

3527
02:39:45,070 --> 02:39:48,790
 at what point does it become too intense for the

3528
02:39:48,790 --> 02:39:49,990
 area?

3529
02:39:49,990 --> 02:39:52,370
 - I'll go to stuff.

3530
02:39:52,370 --> 02:39:54,190
 True to Chair, and thank you for the question.

3531
02:39:54,190 --> 02:39:55,970
 Every development or proposed development

3532
02:39:55,970 --> 02:39:58,360
 will be looked at based on its own merits and

3533
02:39:58,360 --> 02:39:59,170
 reviewed.

3534
02:39:59,170 --> 02:40:02,000
 In this instance, it's quite a modest development

3535
02:40:02,000 --> 02:40:02,340
.

3536
02:40:02,340 --> 02:40:05,350
 Like I said, it's seven meters higher, two

3537
02:40:05,350 --> 02:40:06,320
 stories,

3538
02:40:06,320 --> 02:40:09,490
 and landscape open space on lot coverage

3539
02:40:09,490 --> 02:40:10,050
 requirements

3540
02:40:10,050 --> 02:40:13,380
 are all met, overall lot coverage is 25%,

3541
02:40:13,380 --> 02:40:15,630
 which is not as much as we typically see

3542
02:40:15,630 --> 02:40:18,110
 for these types of infill development,

3543
02:40:18,110 --> 02:40:21,260
 but it is possible that more development comes

3544
02:40:21,260 --> 02:40:22,010
 forward,

3545
02:40:22,010 --> 02:40:24,320
 and that will, again, be reviewed based on its

3546
02:40:24,320 --> 02:40:25,520
 own merits.

3547
02:40:25,520 --> 02:40:26,600
 - Councilor.

3548
02:40:26,600 --> 02:40:29,590
 - Okay, well, again, it says that the London Plan

3549
02:40:29,590 --> 02:40:32,180
 discourages forms of intensification

3550
02:40:32,180 --> 02:40:35,820
 that do not reasonably accommodate the

3551
02:40:35,820 --> 02:40:36,420
 relationship

3552
02:40:36,420 --> 02:40:39,290
 to adjacent residential properties

3553
02:40:39,290 --> 02:40:41,020
 and not consistent with the prevailing

3554
02:40:41,020 --> 02:40:41,480
 neighborhood

3555
02:40:41,480 --> 02:40:42,630
 form of character.

3556
02:40:42,630 --> 02:40:44,300
 And I think the neighborhood would

3557
02:40:44,300 --> 02:40:47,690
 feel that this is out of that space.

3558
02:40:47,690 --> 02:40:52,370
 And also, there's several, as the one resident

3559
02:40:52,370 --> 02:40:52,940
 mentioned,

3560
02:40:52,940 --> 02:40:57,450
 five special provisions being asked to intensify

3561
02:40:57,450 --> 02:40:58,980
 it even further.

3562
02:40:58,980 --> 02:41:02,170
 But I will just ask around the drainage.

3563
02:41:02,170 --> 02:41:06,360
 There was concerns around some of the conflicting

3564
02:41:06,360 --> 02:41:06,950
 information

3565
02:41:06,950 --> 02:41:09,000
 in the site drainage report.

3566
02:41:09,000 --> 02:41:11,250
 And there's also a hold back here

3567
02:41:11,250 --> 02:41:13,340
 that staff seem to have some concerns as well.

3568
02:41:13,340 --> 02:41:15,430
 So if we could hear more about that.

3569
02:41:15,430 --> 02:41:16,830
 - I'll go to staff.

3570
02:41:16,830 --> 02:41:18,150
 Thank you and through to Charles.

3571
02:41:18,150 --> 02:41:21,150
 I'll start with this answer.

3572
02:41:21,150 --> 02:41:22,530
 So as part of the recommendation,

3573
02:41:22,530 --> 02:41:24,070
 we are recommending a holding provision,

3574
02:41:24,070 --> 02:41:25,570
 H6 holding provision,

3575
02:41:25,570 --> 02:41:28,630
 to address some of these stormwater concerns.

3576
02:41:28,630 --> 02:41:29,460
 Hoping that my colleague,

3577
02:41:29,460 --> 02:41:33,290
 Brandon Lambert can further speak to that.

3578
02:41:33,290 --> 02:41:35,510
 - Thank you, through the chair.

3579
02:41:35,510 --> 02:41:38,550
 Yes, like I was like mentioned, we request a

3580
02:41:38,550 --> 02:41:40,610
 holding provision due to the conveyance of

3581
02:41:40,610 --> 02:41:43,790
 overland flows from external drainage areas. The

3582
02:41:43,790 --> 02:41:46,020
 report that was submitted as part of the

3583
02:41:46,020 --> 02:41:48,800
 application didn't address those external areas.

3584
02:41:48,800 --> 02:41:50,640
 So we still have concerns with the

3585
02:41:50,640 --> 02:41:53,970
 design that's proposed to date. So essentially a

3586
02:41:53,970 --> 02:41:56,730
 revised swim brief will have to be

3587
02:41:56,730 --> 02:42:00,060
 resubmitted to city staff. We'll have to accept

3588
02:42:00,060 --> 02:42:02,790
 it and then building permits can be issued.

3589
02:42:02,790 --> 02:42:08,290
 Councilor. Thank you. Can I ask what our option

3590
02:42:08,290 --> 02:42:09,940
 is regarding referring this back

3591
02:42:09,940 --> 02:42:14,380
 until that type of information comes forward? Go

3592
02:42:14,380 --> 02:42:22,820
 staff. Thank you through the chair.

3593
02:42:22,820 --> 02:42:26,610
 It's up to committee. Should you want to refer

3594
02:42:26,610 --> 02:42:31,380
 the matter back? As the staff have mentioned that

3595
02:42:31,380 --> 02:42:33,550
 through detailed design, we would be looking at

3596
02:42:33,550 --> 02:42:36,250
 the more of the servicing aspect and that

3597
02:42:36,250 --> 02:42:38,980
 would be through the site plan process. At this

3598
02:42:38,980 --> 02:42:42,070
 stage of the zoning, we're satisfied enough that

3599
02:42:42,070 --> 02:42:45,370
 we have the information we need to proceed with a

3600
02:42:45,370 --> 02:42:47,640
 recommended recommendation of approval

3601
02:42:47,640 --> 02:42:50,160
 and the holding provision will allow for that to

3602
02:42:50,160 --> 02:42:52,340
 happen and the additional information at the

3603
02:42:52,340 --> 02:42:57,250
 time of site plan. Councilor. Thank you the um

3604
02:42:57,250 --> 02:43:03,010
 can staff comment on the this is a small lot

3605
02:43:03,010 --> 02:43:04,910
 beside with that where the house as they said

3606
02:43:04,910 --> 02:43:06,650
 three bedrooms just a few meters from the

3607
02:43:06,650 --> 02:43:07,130
 property

3608
02:43:07,130 --> 02:43:09,520
 line was that factored in at all in terms of

3609
02:43:09,520 --> 02:43:12,400
 approving the intensification on this lot. I'll

3610
02:43:12,400 --> 02:43:12,540
 go

3611
02:43:12,540 --> 02:43:16,650
 of staff. Thank you and true to chair. Absolutely

3612
02:43:16,650 --> 02:43:18,860
 that does weigh in. There are criteria in

3613
02:43:18,860 --> 02:43:21,410
 the R2 section of the London plan that really

3614
02:43:21,410 --> 02:43:24,120
 speak to that compatibility and fit. And that

3615
02:43:24,120 --> 02:43:26,220
 is also the reason why staff is recommending

3616
02:43:26,220 --> 02:43:28,620
 additional special provisions for an increased

3617
02:43:28,620 --> 02:43:32,510
 interior side track setback for the townhouses.

3618
02:43:32,510 --> 02:43:32,780
 Councillor.

3619
02:43:32,780 --> 02:43:37,820
 I'd also like to ask regarding the snow removal,

3620
02:43:37,820 --> 02:43:40,020
 there was concerns around a six foot spot.

3621
02:43:40,020 --> 02:43:47,990
 Go to staff. Thank you and true to chair. As this

3622
02:43:47,990 --> 02:43:49,630
 application is not going through the

3623
02:43:49,630 --> 02:43:52,360
 set plan application stage. It is challenging to

3624
02:43:52,360 --> 02:43:55,310
 determine where the snow

3625
02:43:55,310 --> 02:43:57,870
 storage will be located. As mentioned, there is a

3626
02:43:57,870 --> 02:43:59,720
 small space for some snow

3627
02:43:59,720 --> 02:44:01,820
 storage. Ultimately, it will be up to the

3628
02:44:01,820 --> 02:44:04,260
 applicant to ensure that snow

3629
02:44:04,260 --> 02:44:07,100
 storage is addressed appropriately. Councilor.

3630
02:44:07,100 --> 02:44:09,020
 Okay, that sounds a little

3631
02:44:09,020 --> 02:44:12,010
 concerning, especially given the last winter we

3632
02:44:12,010 --> 02:44:14,660
 just had. The other thing is

3633
02:44:14,660 --> 02:44:17,690
 garbage. What happens with that? I'm assuming it

3634
02:44:17,690 --> 02:44:18,750
 has to all go out to the curb.

3635
02:44:18,750 --> 02:44:24,680
 - Good staff.

3636
02:44:24,680 --> 02:44:26,490
 Thank you and to the chair at this moment,

3637
02:44:26,490 --> 02:44:28,090
 I don't think that the applicant has decided

3638
02:44:28,090 --> 02:44:31,050
 on their garbage system or,

3639
02:44:31,050 --> 02:44:34,010
 but typically for a relatively small development

3640
02:44:34,010 --> 02:44:35,090
 like this,

3641
02:44:35,090 --> 02:44:37,250
 the residents would be responsible for bringing

3642
02:44:37,250 --> 02:44:39,810
 the garbage to the streets in blue bins

3643
02:44:39,810 --> 02:44:41,470
 and garbage bags.

3644
02:44:41,470 --> 02:44:43,460
 Councillor.

3645
02:44:43,460 --> 02:44:45,870
 - Yeah, is there any concern about the footage

3646
02:44:45,870 --> 02:44:47,370
 even at the front of that building

3647
02:44:47,370 --> 02:44:50,130
 to be able to put eight units worth of garbage

3648
02:44:50,130 --> 02:44:51,580
 out at the street?

3649
02:44:51,580 --> 02:44:52,560
 - Public health staff.

3650
02:44:52,560 --> 02:44:55,030
 - Through the chair, these questions

3651
02:44:55,030 --> 02:44:57,890
 should be directed to the applicant.

3652
02:44:57,890 --> 02:45:04,330
 - I'll go to the applicant.

3653
02:45:04,330 --> 02:45:06,000
 - Through the chair.

3654
02:45:06,000 --> 02:45:09,030
 We have considered some garbage mollusks on site

3655
02:45:09,030 --> 02:45:10,610
 in the preliminary concept.

3656
02:45:10,610 --> 02:45:12,660
 However, this is subject to refinement

3657
02:45:12,660 --> 02:45:17,490
 through the detailed design stage of development.

3658
02:45:17,490 --> 02:45:19,350
 - Councilor, go back to you and you have 30

3659
02:45:19,350 --> 02:45:20,110
 seconds.

3660
02:45:20,110 --> 02:45:22,250
 - Yeah, maybe the applicant could answer the

3661
02:45:22,250 --> 02:45:22,490
 question

3662
02:45:22,490 --> 02:45:24,820
 around the snow removal as well.

3663
02:45:24,820 --> 02:45:31,600
 - You respond to concerns of snow removal.

3664
02:45:31,600 --> 02:45:34,560
 - Again, with the detailed design of the

3665
02:45:34,560 --> 02:45:35,280
 development,

3666
02:45:35,280 --> 02:45:38,000
 we would look at where that could be.

3667
02:45:38,000 --> 02:45:39,970
 Notably, the holding provision with the storm

3668
02:45:39,970 --> 02:45:41,690
water report,

3669
02:45:41,690 --> 02:45:43,840
 the stormwater management concerns will be

3670
02:45:43,840 --> 02:45:44,880
 addressed,

3671
02:45:44,880 --> 02:45:48,390
 and that would include runoff from snow storage.

3672
02:45:48,390 --> 02:45:50,600
 - Counselor?

3673
02:45:50,600 --> 02:45:51,520
 - Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna be able

3674
02:45:51,520 --> 02:45:55,750
 to support this proposal, and it's in my ward.

3675
02:45:55,750 --> 02:45:59,130
 - Okay, I'll look for other comments or questions

3676
02:45:59,130 --> 02:46:01,190
 in committee or visiting staff or visiting

3677
02:46:01,190 --> 02:46:04,360
 counselors.

3678
02:46:04,360 --> 02:46:05,630
 Seeing none, we have a motion moved

3679
02:46:05,630 --> 02:46:16,540
 and seconded, and we'll call them.

3680
02:46:16,540 --> 02:46:19,080
 The clerk just notified me that Deputy Mayor

3681
02:46:19,080 --> 02:46:19,370
 Lewis,

3682
02:46:19,370 --> 02:46:21,850
 had your hand up are you and then it went down

3683
02:46:21,850 --> 02:46:23,720
 just want to make sure we didn't

3684
02:46:23,720 --> 02:46:27,760
 miss you. No why my hands down. Okay thank you.

3685
02:46:27,760 --> 02:46:29,390
 That was just flaking the wrong

3686
02:46:29,390 --> 02:46:35,130
 button. Okay all right we got motion moving

3687
02:46:35,130 --> 02:46:35,960
 second we'll call the vote.

3688
02:46:35,960 --> 02:46:54,090
 Sing the vote the motion carries four to one.

3689
02:46:54,090 --> 02:46:57,090
 Okay moving on to 3.8 this is

3690
02:46:57,090 --> 02:47:01,040
 regarding 929 Cheap Side Street. I'll open the

3691
02:47:01,040 --> 02:47:03,060
 vote on opening the PPM.

3692
02:47:03,060 --> 02:47:32,460
 Sir Hillier closing the vote the motion carries 5

3693
02:47:32,460 --> 02:47:35,270
 to 0. Okay if the applicant is

3694
02:47:35,270 --> 02:47:38,440
 here. I would like to address Mitty, please

3695
02:47:38,440 --> 02:47:40,360
 forgive us your name again in your five minutes.

3696
02:47:40,360 --> 02:47:43,540
 Through the chair, my name is Adam LeGrew. I'm

3697
02:47:43,540 --> 02:47:45,950
 from Monteith Brown Planning Consultants.

3698
02:47:45,950 --> 02:47:49,070
 I'm also here with Jay McGuffin, Principal Plan

3699
02:47:49,070 --> 02:47:50,410
ner for Monteith Brown,

3700
02:47:50,410 --> 02:47:53,330
 and we're both here on behalf of the owner of the

3701
02:47:53,330 --> 02:47:56,920
 929 Cheap Side Street. We would just like to

3702
02:47:56,920 --> 02:47:59,410
 thank, extend our thanks to the committee and to

3703
02:47:59,410 --> 02:48:01,760
 council for allowing the referral of the

3704
02:48:01,760 --> 02:48:04,390
 Zoning By-law Amendment back to staff during the

3705
02:48:04,390 --> 02:48:08,330
 March 31st Council meeting. This allowed our

3706
02:48:08,330 --> 02:48:10,710
 our client the opportunity to work with staff on

3707
02:48:10,710 --> 02:48:14,340
 addressing concerns raised by the community.

3708
02:48:14,340 --> 02:48:16,480
 Since that time we've made considerable changes

3709
02:48:16,480 --> 02:48:19,120
 to our proposed design considering the feedback

3710
02:48:19,120 --> 02:48:22,980
 we received during the March 10th PEC meeting.

3711
02:48:22,980 --> 02:48:24,940
 Some considerable changes in the design since

3712
02:48:24,940 --> 02:48:28,840
 the original submission include reduction in

3713
02:48:28,840 --> 02:48:33,670
 total units from 105 to 79 and this increased

3714
02:48:33,670 --> 02:48:37,300
 our parking ratio from 0.4 spaces to unit to

3715
02:48:37,300 --> 02:48:38,760
 above the minimum standard in the

3716
02:48:38,760 --> 02:48:42,650
 by-law. We've also increased setbacks from cheap

3717
02:48:42,650 --> 02:48:44,040
 side, we've reduced lock

3718
02:48:44,040 --> 02:48:46,790
 coverage, and we've increased the amount of

3719
02:48:46,790 --> 02:48:48,760
 landscape open space throughout the

3720
02:48:48,760 --> 02:48:51,620
 site. So we hope the committee will endorse the

3721
02:48:51,620 --> 02:48:53,190
 staff recommendation and are

3722
02:48:53,190 --> 02:48:55,110
 available to answer any questions the committee

3723
02:48:55,110 --> 02:48:56,350
 or public may have regarding

3724
02:48:56,350 --> 02:48:59,750
 the revised application. Thank you. I look for

3725
02:48:59,750 --> 02:49:01,030
 members of the public like to

3726
02:49:01,030 --> 02:49:08,140
 address committee. Please give us your name and

3727
02:49:08,140 --> 02:49:09,880
 you have five minutes. Yes, Sharon

3728
02:49:09,880 --> 02:49:12,980
 Riley on Clifford Street in that area. I wondered

3729
02:49:12,980 --> 02:49:16,320
, did you receive the Zoom from

3730
02:49:16,320 --> 02:49:19,180
 Stephen Ord? He's not able to be here today. He's

3731
02:49:19,180 --> 02:49:21,050
 overseas, but he thought he

3732
02:49:21,050 --> 02:49:23,250
 could maybe get his report through. Did you get a

3733
02:49:23,250 --> 02:49:24,520
 chance to read that yet?

3734
02:49:24,520 --> 02:49:27,760
 I'll ask a clerk if we receive the video. Well,

3735
02:49:27,760 --> 02:49:29,460
 then I've got the report here I

3736
02:49:29,460 --> 02:49:34,830
 can read. He was online. You read it? I'm just

3737
02:49:34,830 --> 02:49:36,480
 saying that the gentleman was

3738
02:49:36,480 --> 02:49:41,620
 online. I assume. Okay. But did anyone read it? I

3739
02:49:41,620 --> 02:49:45,880
 am online. Is that Stephen? Yes. Oh,

3740
02:49:45,880 --> 02:49:48,930
 so has he, would he like to read it now then?

3741
02:49:48,930 --> 02:49:52,200
 Well, you're, it's your turn. I can go to

3742
02:49:52,200 --> 02:49:54,040
 him in another time, but it's your turn when you

3743
02:49:54,040 --> 02:49:55,630
 have five minutes. Well, I'm just reading

3744
02:49:55,630 --> 02:50:00,700
 his words. Is that all right? You can do please.

3745
02:50:00,700 --> 02:50:03,160
 Number one, incompatibility with the neighborhood

3746
02:50:03,160 --> 02:50:08,940
 context. You are pushing the all the limits and

3747
02:50:08,940 --> 02:50:13,360
 primarily asking us to ignore a unit density

3748
02:50:13,360 --> 02:50:17,890
 60% over the limit. This is over development and

3749
02:50:17,890 --> 02:50:20,790
 overcrowding but not in any way compatible

3750
02:50:20,790 --> 02:50:24,370
 with our established community. Number two, the

3751
02:50:24,370 --> 02:50:26,830
 height of six stories being too tall.

3752
02:50:26,830 --> 02:50:31,490
 yes the city plans or city allows a story six-

3753
02:50:31,490 --> 02:50:34,210
story building but just because you

3754
02:50:34,210 --> 02:50:37,780
 and having a hard time reading this just because

3755
02:50:37,780 --> 02:50:39,970
 you can does not mean you should

3756
02:50:39,970 --> 02:50:42,100
 just like you can buy a case of 30 well i'll

3757
02:50:42,100 --> 02:50:45,130
 leave that part out um over development of the

3758
02:50:45,130 --> 02:50:45,440
 site

3759
02:50:45,440 --> 02:50:50,130
 your own figures uh found on zone provision

3760
02:50:50,130 --> 02:50:53,720
 highlights and port and point to the plan

3761
02:50:53,720 --> 02:50:56,580
 as just plain overdevelopment.

3762
02:50:56,580 --> 02:51:01,350
 From the yard depth of 64% of zoning requirements

3763
02:51:01,350 --> 02:51:01,450
,

3764
02:51:01,350 --> 02:51:06,360
 the interior side of the yard is 60%.

3765
02:51:06,360 --> 02:51:10,190
 And the exterior side yard is a mere 10%

3766
02:51:10,190 --> 02:51:12,080
 of the zoning requirements.

3767
02:51:12,080 --> 02:51:14,860
 Your reference and argument that existing

3768
02:51:14,860 --> 02:51:15,340
 buildings

3769
02:51:15,340 --> 02:51:19,880
 on cheap side violate current setbacks and those

3770
02:51:19,880 --> 02:51:24,380
 should you be allowed to be entirely backwards.

3771
02:51:24,380 --> 02:51:27,890
 Those properties, setbacks are considered grandf

3772
02:51:27,890 --> 02:51:28,990
athered.

3773
02:51:28,990 --> 02:51:30,070
 I'm going to skip along here.

3774
02:51:30,070 --> 02:51:37,890
 The proposal has open space as just over half 56%

3775
02:51:37,890 --> 02:51:41,150
 of current requirements, and lot coverage

3776
02:51:41,150 --> 02:51:43,730
 is 33% greater than allowed.

3777
02:51:43,730 --> 02:51:47,910
 The very definition of overdevelopment.

3778
02:51:47,910 --> 02:51:50,130
 Contents of the reduced parking, well, you

3779
02:51:50,130 --> 02:51:51,140
 mentioned that.

3780
02:51:51,140 --> 02:51:52,730
 but I'm just going to read what he said.

3781
02:51:52,730 --> 02:51:55,210
 Although your parking ratio is within the current

3782
02:51:55,210 --> 02:51:55,850
 bylaws

3783
02:51:55,850 --> 02:51:58,880
 of the city, this committee has already realized

3784
02:51:58,880 --> 02:52:00,960
 they are inadequate, and I was waiting the

3785
02:52:00,960 --> 02:52:01,400
 drafting

3786
02:52:01,400 --> 02:52:04,530
 of new units, or unit limits.

3787
02:52:04,530 --> 02:52:06,940
 Let me see here.

3788
02:52:06,940 --> 02:52:10,020
 To increase gin traffic within the area,

3789
02:52:10,020 --> 02:52:13,170
 by the way, the developers seems to think

3790
02:52:13,170 --> 02:52:15,870
 that it was 50 miles per hour on Cheap Side

3791
02:52:15,870 --> 02:52:16,360
 Street

3792
02:52:16,360 --> 02:52:17,920
 hasn't been that for some time.

3793
02:52:17,920 --> 02:52:22,350
 is 40% from St. Joseph's fan or on Richmond,

3794
02:52:22,350 --> 02:52:25,740
 all the way down to Fanshawe College.

3795
02:52:25,740 --> 02:52:28,180
 So when you're talking about speed

3796
02:52:28,180 --> 02:52:32,060
 and increased traffic, that's where it really

3797
02:52:32,060 --> 02:52:32,450
 hits.

3798
02:52:32,450 --> 02:52:37,300
 To the city, zoning regulations set out the rules

3799
02:52:37,300 --> 02:52:39,970
 for the development, but they are useless

3800
02:52:39,970 --> 02:52:43,250
 if every time a developer waltzes into town

3801
02:52:43,250 --> 02:52:45,440
 and asks you to change them, you do.

3802
02:52:45,440 --> 02:52:49,330
 So I have paid taxes in this city for over 45

3803
02:52:49,330 --> 02:52:49,950
 years,

3804
02:52:49,950 --> 02:52:52,910
 yet I have to abide by zoning regulations.

3805
02:52:52,910 --> 02:52:56,420
 I tried to get permission to build a carport

3806
02:52:56,420 --> 02:52:59,210
 and on my property, but zoning refused,

3807
02:52:59,210 --> 02:53:00,450
 went on a busy street.

3808
02:53:00,450 --> 02:53:03,880
 I asked to have a circular drive for safety,

3809
02:53:03,880 --> 02:53:04,880
 but was refused.

3810
02:53:04,880 --> 02:53:09,750
 I had to live with that in social developers.

3811
02:53:09,750 --> 02:53:13,260
 The bylaws are there to protect everyone,

3812
02:53:13,260 --> 02:53:15,060
 primarily the neighbors.

3813
02:53:15,060 --> 02:53:19,110
 do you or do the bylaws only apply to the little

3814
02:53:19,110 --> 02:53:19,330
 guy,

3815
02:53:19,330 --> 02:53:21,130
 but if you have enough money,

3816
02:53:21,130 --> 02:53:24,700
 does that mean you have to just ignore them?

3817
02:53:24,700 --> 02:53:26,240
 Land owners have the rights

3818
02:53:26,240 --> 02:53:29,400
 under federal, provincial and municipal laws,

3819
02:53:29,400 --> 02:53:33,560
 but this development developer knows the rules

3820
02:53:33,560 --> 02:53:37,170
 when they purchase the property.

3821
02:53:37,170 --> 02:53:39,520
 And I'm gonna just sum up here at the end.

3822
02:53:39,520 --> 02:53:41,150
 As our city representatives,

3823
02:53:41,150 --> 02:53:44,610
 you have an obligation to enforce our bylaws

3824
02:53:44,610 --> 02:53:47,790
 and protect local residential neighborhoods.

3825
02:53:47,790 --> 02:53:50,660
 Stand up and protect the London neighborhoods

3826
02:53:50,660 --> 02:53:53,560
 and citizens you are supposed to represent.

3827
02:53:53,560 --> 02:53:55,330
 And pardon?

3828
02:53:55,330 --> 02:53:56,310
 - Hold on a second, please.

3829
02:53:56,310 --> 02:53:57,140
 Who's online?

3830
02:53:57,140 --> 02:53:58,390
 Could you please mute yourself?

3831
02:53:58,390 --> 02:54:02,600
 'Cause we're hearing chatter.

3832
02:54:02,600 --> 02:54:04,270
 Please go ahead, you have 30 seconds.

3833
02:54:04,270 --> 02:54:05,220
 - Let's be clear.

3834
02:54:05,220 --> 02:54:08,480
 We are not opposed to a development on the site,

3835
02:54:08,480 --> 02:54:10,900
 but let's find a more suitable solution

3836
02:54:10,900 --> 02:54:13,010
 that fits the neighborhood, the community,

3837
02:54:13,010 --> 02:54:15,670
 and allows the developer to make a reasonable

3838
02:54:15,670 --> 02:54:16,410
 profit.

3839
02:54:16,410 --> 02:54:17,180
 Thank you.

3840
02:54:17,180 --> 02:54:18,460
 - Thank you.

3841
02:54:18,460 --> 02:54:19,650
 I'll go to gentlemen over here.

3842
02:54:19,650 --> 02:54:21,200
 Please forgive us your name and you have five

3843
02:54:21,200 --> 02:54:21,820
 minutes.

3844
02:54:21,820 --> 02:54:23,070
 - Hello, I'm Paul Strong.

3845
02:54:23,070 --> 02:54:25,610
 I live on Sterling Street of 40 years now.

3846
02:54:25,610 --> 02:54:28,830
 Pretty much what was just said is pretty much

3847
02:54:28,830 --> 02:54:30,180
 what I would say.

3848
02:54:30,180 --> 02:54:32,250
 You've been asking for our approval,

3849
02:54:32,250 --> 02:54:35,900
 but six stories is far too high for our area.

3850
02:54:35,900 --> 02:54:38,720
 Every other building is three story walkups.

3851
02:54:38,720 --> 02:54:41,090
 If you must put in an apartment,

3852
02:54:41,090 --> 02:54:43,550
 at least keeping continuity with the neighborhood

3853
02:54:43,550 --> 02:54:45,330
 would be appreciated.

3854
02:54:45,330 --> 02:54:47,000
 It should be self-contained.

3855
02:54:47,000 --> 02:54:49,090
 We shouldn't have to have permanent parking

3856
02:54:49,090 --> 02:54:51,430
 on the street at any time.

3857
02:54:51,430 --> 02:54:54,360
 I'd hear the numbers for parking is adequate,

3858
02:54:54,360 --> 02:54:58,190
 but really for functionality, it's not.

3859
02:54:58,190 --> 02:55:00,500
 In the winter, we would never be able to navigate

3860
02:55:00,500 --> 02:55:00,980
 our street

3861
02:55:00,980 --> 02:55:02,190
 with permanent parking.

3862
02:55:02,190 --> 02:55:04,950
 It's brutal at the best of times.

3863
02:55:04,950 --> 02:55:08,490
 Our homes are one to two stories.

3864
02:55:08,490 --> 02:55:10,330
 That's what we would like to see at the end of

3865
02:55:10,330 --> 02:55:11,420
 our street.

3866
02:55:11,420 --> 02:55:14,420
 It was formerly retail when it was a garden

3867
02:55:14,420 --> 02:55:15,420
 center.

3868
02:55:15,420 --> 02:55:17,240
 I would love to see something that actually

3869
02:55:17,240 --> 02:55:17,710
 serves

3870
02:55:17,710 --> 02:55:21,630
 our community where we can buy things or donate

3871
02:55:21,630 --> 02:55:24,700
 in a value village, anything.

3872
02:55:24,700 --> 02:55:27,290
 But what you're asking us is to just shoulder a

3873
02:55:27,290 --> 02:55:27,760
 burden

3874
02:55:27,760 --> 02:55:30,920
 with absolutely no benefits to the neighborhood

3875
02:55:30,920 --> 02:55:31,760
 at all.

3876
02:55:31,760 --> 02:55:36,640
 It just seems like a horrible advancement for us.

3877
02:55:36,640 --> 02:55:38,110
 I just, that's about it for me.

3878
02:55:38,110 --> 02:55:40,930
 I just don't see a benefit and only see a burden

3879
02:55:40,930 --> 02:55:45,340
 to a community that's been there since the 1940s.

3880
02:55:45,340 --> 02:55:46,460
 - Thank you.

3881
02:55:46,460 --> 02:55:48,480
 We'll look for the next speaker.

3882
02:55:48,480 --> 02:55:49,980
 Please ma'am, give us your name, you have five

3883
02:55:49,980 --> 02:55:50,720
 minutes.

3884
02:55:50,720 --> 02:55:52,220
 - Hi, my name's Anne Wild.

3885
02:55:52,220 --> 02:55:55,170
 I was here on March 10th

3886
02:55:55,170 --> 02:56:00,810
 when we had another round of this.

3887
02:56:00,810 --> 02:56:05,010
 So I'm going to start with the continued

3888
02:56:05,010 --> 02:56:06,140
 opposition

3889
02:56:06,140 --> 02:56:09,710
 in your revised development proposal of 929

3890
02:56:09,710 --> 02:56:11,390
 Sterling Street.

3891
02:56:11,390 --> 02:56:15,770
 While the developer has made minor adjustments

3892
02:56:15,770 --> 02:56:18,950
 and a close analysis of the architectural

3893
02:56:18,950 --> 02:56:21,890
 and landscape plans,

3894
02:56:21,890 --> 02:56:26,140
 reveals that the changes are just appeasements

3895
02:56:26,140 --> 02:56:28,670
 on a piece of paper that fails to address the

3896
02:56:28,670 --> 02:56:29,610
 fundamental

3897
02:56:29,610 --> 02:56:32,130
 and the lack of compatibility in our neighborhood

3898
02:56:32,130 --> 02:56:33,030
.

3899
02:56:33,030 --> 02:56:36,060
 The proposal continues to prioritize

3900
02:56:36,060 --> 02:56:38,820
 the developers' profit over safety

3901
02:56:38,820 --> 02:56:42,460
 and the experience of an existing neighborhood

3902
02:56:42,460 --> 02:56:47,940
 and the future residents in the new development,

3903
02:56:47,940 --> 02:56:52,550
 excessive density and misplaced intensity.

3904
02:56:52,550 --> 02:56:56,590
 The 25% reduction in the units from 105 to 79

3905
02:56:56,590 --> 02:57:00,830
 is just a tactical distraction.

3906
02:57:00,830 --> 02:57:03,890
 At 235 units per hectare, the density remains

3907
02:57:03,890 --> 02:57:04,830
 significantly

3908
02:57:04,830 --> 02:57:08,870
 higher than the standard R8 or R9 zoning,

3909
02:57:08,870 --> 02:57:12,510
 typically found in the London area.

3910
02:57:12,510 --> 02:57:16,760
 and nearly 10 fold increase in the density

3911
02:57:16,760 --> 02:57:20,530
 over the established 15 to 30 units per hectare.

3912
02:57:20,530 --> 02:57:22,130
 The level of intensity belongs

3913
02:57:22,130 --> 02:57:25,590
 on a major arterial growth channel,

3914
02:57:25,590 --> 02:57:28,680
 such as Oxford, Dundas Street.

3915
02:57:28,680 --> 02:57:32,450
 Cheap side street was never included in rapid

3916
02:57:32,450 --> 02:57:34,120
 transit

3917
02:57:34,120 --> 02:57:35,410
 for a reason.

3918
02:57:35,410 --> 02:57:37,950
 Forcing the level of info into a residential

3919
02:57:37,950 --> 02:57:38,380
 pocket

3920
02:57:38,380 --> 02:57:40,510
 is an overreach.

3921
02:57:40,510 --> 02:57:42,770
 The disregard for local housing needs,

3922
02:57:42,770 --> 02:57:46,270
 despite your clear community feedback that we had

3923
02:57:46,270 --> 02:57:46,370
,

3924
02:57:46,270 --> 02:57:49,260
 developers failed to include any three bedroom

3925
02:57:49,260 --> 02:57:55,080
 facility units. CMHC data in 2025

3926
02:57:55,080 --> 02:57:57,460
 shows one bedroom apartments in London have

3927
02:57:57,460 --> 02:57:59,530
 reached a 15-year high vacancy

3928
02:57:59,530 --> 02:58:04,890
 rate at 4% while three plus bedroom units remain

3929
02:58:04,890 --> 02:58:07,400
 in high demand. The

3930
02:58:07,400 --> 02:58:09,890
 parking and safety is deficient while the

3931
02:58:09,890 --> 02:58:12,100
 developer has increased the parking

3932
02:58:12,100 --> 02:58:15,780
 account from 46 to 55. The ratio remains

3933
02:58:15,780 --> 02:58:20,700
 functionality insufficient at 0.69 spaces per

3934
02:58:20,700 --> 02:58:24,250
 unit. The developer has also increased bicycle

3935
02:58:24,250 --> 02:58:27,980
 parking to 80 spots as a tactical trade-off

3936
02:58:27,980 --> 02:58:32,930
 to justify the vehicle deficiencies that there

3937
02:58:32,930 --> 02:58:37,460
 are. While sustainable transit is a goal,

3938
02:58:37,460 --> 02:58:41,160
 it cannot be used to ignore a reality. Stat scan

3939
02:58:41,160 --> 02:58:44,030
 data for the city of London shows approximately

3940
02:58:44,030 --> 02:58:49,370
 84% of households own at least one vehicle. With

3941
02:58:49,370 --> 02:58:53,350
 an average of 1.47 cars per household.

3942
02:58:53,350 --> 02:58:59,050
 London's zoning Z1 bylaw requires 1 to 1.25

3943
02:58:59,050 --> 02:59:03,650
 spaces per unit for a reason. Since this is not

3944
02:59:03,650 --> 02:59:06,930
 a primary transit area, residents in visitor

3945
02:59:06,930 --> 02:59:09,970
 parking will inevitably roll onto the street

3946
02:59:09,970 --> 02:59:14,320
 of Sterling and Barker, creating congestion and a

3947
02:59:14,320 --> 02:59:17,920
 direct safety problem. The facade,

3948
02:59:17,920 --> 02:59:21,930
 the step back, the visual privacy crisis, the

3949
02:59:21,930 --> 02:59:24,930
 developer's use of setbacks is a structural

3950
02:59:24,930 --> 02:59:28,090
 maneuver that fails to solve the privacy crisis

3951
02:59:28,090 --> 02:59:30,410
 for the neighbors and the school.

3952
02:59:30,410 --> 02:59:33,820
 The new fourth floor terrace, the fifth and sixth

3953
02:59:33,820 --> 02:59:36,550
 floor windows continue to provide

3954
02:59:36,550 --> 02:59:39,830
 an unobstructed view over rooftops directly into

3955
02:59:39,830 --> 02:59:42,820
 the school's playground and into the private

3956
02:59:42,820 --> 02:59:47,010
 backyards. That violates the London plan,

3957
02:59:47,010 --> 02:59:49,080
 requirements for visual privacy, and

3958
02:59:49,080 --> 02:59:52,400
 creates a permanent fishbowl effect. For our

3959
02:59:52,400 --> 02:59:55,480
 children, the residents, the simple

3960
02:59:55,480 --> 02:59:59,860
 architectural shifts do not mitigate that. The

3961
02:59:59,860 --> 03:00:00,930
 environmental,

3962
03:00:00,930 --> 03:00:05,520
 degradation, and the snow management as discussed

3963
03:00:05,520 --> 03:00:08,530
, the landscape is perhaps the

3964
03:00:08,530 --> 03:00:12,890
 most prime example of profit over neighborhood

3965
03:00:12,890 --> 03:00:14,970
 character. The developer

3966
03:00:14,970 --> 03:00:19,140
 intends to remove 37 mature trees,

3967
03:00:19,140 --> 03:00:22,400
 including several city boulevard trees

3968
03:00:22,400 --> 03:00:25,730
 with high value native species like black walnuts

3969
03:00:25,730 --> 03:00:26,730
 and maples.

3970
03:00:26,730 --> 03:00:27,840
 - 30 seconds.

3971
03:00:27,840 --> 03:00:31,620
 - And replace those with 22 decorative trees.

3972
03:00:31,620 --> 03:00:35,170
 We require the city to reject this plan in its

3973
03:00:35,170 --> 03:00:36,000
 current form.

3974
03:00:36,000 --> 03:00:40,430
 We advocate to develop that respects the zone

3975
03:00:40,430 --> 03:00:42,640
 and you are our voices.

3976
03:00:42,640 --> 03:00:46,090
 You are our counselors, you're us.

3977
03:00:46,090 --> 03:00:47,160
 Thank you.

3978
03:00:47,160 --> 03:00:48,250
 - Thank you.

3979
03:00:48,250 --> 03:00:52,830
 for the next speaker.

3980
03:00:52,830 --> 03:00:54,170
 Please give us your name and you have five

3981
03:00:54,170 --> 03:00:54,560
 minutes.

3982
03:00:54,560 --> 03:00:55,630
 - Goodness, sorry.

3983
03:00:55,630 --> 03:00:57,210
 Hi there, my name is Nicole Shea.

3984
03:00:57,210 --> 03:00:59,220
 I live on Sterling directly across

3985
03:00:59,220 --> 03:01:02,860
 from this proposed building.

3986
03:01:02,860 --> 03:01:04,600
 I'm here not only on my own behalf,

3987
03:01:04,600 --> 03:01:06,460
 but also on the behalf of many residents

3988
03:01:06,460 --> 03:01:08,950
 who have expressed concerns about this proposal

3989
03:01:08,950 --> 03:01:12,160
 throughout the public consultation process.

3990
03:01:12,160 --> 03:01:13,420
 Over the past several months,

3991
03:01:13,420 --> 03:01:15,710
 residents have participated in meetings,

3992
03:01:15,710 --> 03:01:18,260
 submitted comments, raised concerns about the

3993
03:01:18,260 --> 03:01:19,290
 scale

3994
03:01:19,290 --> 03:01:21,890
 and the impact of this development.

3995
03:01:21,890 --> 03:01:23,600
 While the proposal has been revised

3996
03:01:23,600 --> 03:01:26,310
 since it was first introduced,

3997
03:01:26,310 --> 03:01:28,970
 the fundamental issues remain unresolved.

3998
03:01:28,970 --> 03:01:31,110
 The current proposal is for a six-story apartment

3999
03:01:31,110 --> 03:01:31,550
 building

4000
03:01:31,550 --> 03:01:34,130
 containing 79 residential units

4001
03:01:34,130 --> 03:01:37,380
 with only 55 vehicle parking spaces.

4002
03:01:37,380 --> 03:01:39,600
 In a neighborhood made up primarily of one-story

4003
03:01:39,600 --> 03:01:39,930
 homes,

4004
03:01:39,930 --> 03:01:42,860
 a six-story building is simply not compatible

4005
03:01:42,860 --> 03:01:44,920
 while with the existing character of our

4006
03:01:44,920 --> 03:01:47,150
 community.

4007
03:01:47,150 --> 03:01:48,820
 Residents have repeatedly stated

4008
03:01:48,820 --> 03:01:50,880
 that there are no six-story buildings along Che

4009
03:01:50,880 --> 03:01:51,650
apside Street

4010
03:01:51,650 --> 03:01:53,920
 between Clark Road and St. George.

4011
03:01:53,920 --> 03:01:55,900
 the development would be dramatically larger

4012
03:01:55,900 --> 03:01:58,530
 than anything that currently exists in our area

4013
03:01:58,530 --> 03:02:01,150
 and would significantly alter the streetscape

4014
03:02:01,150 --> 03:02:03,620
 that residents have invested in and called home

4015
03:02:03,620 --> 03:02:06,070
 for many years.

4016
03:02:06,070 --> 03:02:09,270
 The concern is not simply the number of units.

4017
03:02:09,270 --> 03:02:11,250
 Reducing the unit count does not address

4018
03:02:11,250 --> 03:02:13,190
 the larger issue of scale.

4019
03:02:13,190 --> 03:02:15,500
 The height, density and massing of the building

4020
03:02:15,500 --> 03:02:17,460
 remain out of character with the surrounding

4021
03:02:17,460 --> 03:02:18,760
 neighborhood.

4022
03:02:18,760 --> 03:02:21,160
 Another major concern is parking.

4023
03:02:21,160 --> 03:02:24,260
 The proposal provides only 55 parking spaces for

4024
03:02:24,260 --> 03:02:25,600
 79 units.

4025
03:02:25,600 --> 03:02:28,380
 This community is not served by a major transit

4026
03:02:28,380 --> 03:02:29,090
 corridor,

4027
03:02:29,090 --> 03:02:31,390
 and many residents rely on personal vehicles

4028
03:02:31,390 --> 03:02:34,330
 for work, family responsibilities, and daily

4029
03:02:34,330 --> 03:02:35,990
 activities.

4030
03:02:35,990 --> 03:02:38,130
 Residents are concerned that overflow parking

4031
03:02:38,130 --> 03:02:40,310
 will spill onto nearby streets,

4032
03:02:40,310 --> 03:02:41,820
 such as Barker and Sterling,

4033
03:02:41,820 --> 03:02:43,440
 creating additional challenges

4034
03:02:43,440 --> 03:02:46,470
 for existing homeowners and visitors.

4035
03:02:46,470 --> 03:02:48,500
 Traffic and safety concerns also remain

4036
03:02:48,500 --> 03:02:49,510
 unresolved.

4037
03:02:49,510 --> 03:02:51,880
 Residents regularly experience congestion

4038
03:02:51,880 --> 03:02:54,250
 along eastbound, cheap side street,

4039
03:02:54,250 --> 03:02:56,150
 particularly during the afternoon rush

4040
03:02:56,150 --> 03:02:57,930
 between four and six.

4041
03:02:57,930 --> 03:02:59,890
 There's also been many accidents at the Barker

4042
03:02:59,890 --> 03:03:00,200
 Street

4043
03:03:00,200 --> 03:03:02,290
 and Cheap Side Street intersection.

4044
03:03:02,290 --> 03:03:03,990
 Many of us feel that the traffic studies

4045
03:03:03,990 --> 03:03:04,460
 presented

4046
03:03:04,460 --> 03:03:06,640
 do not accurately reflect the realities

4047
03:03:06,640 --> 03:03:07,820
 experienced

4048
03:03:07,820 --> 03:03:09,980
 by people who live in this neighborhood every day

4049
03:03:09,980 --> 03:03:11,430
.

4050
03:03:11,430 --> 03:03:13,580
 I would also ask that Council consider

4051
03:03:13,580 --> 03:03:15,760
 the broader planning implications of this

4052
03:03:15,760 --> 03:03:16,670
 application.

4053
03:03:16,670 --> 03:03:18,930
 The developer is requesting multiple variances

4054
03:03:18,930 --> 03:03:20,880
 because of the proposal does not fit

4055
03:03:20,880 --> 03:03:23,670
 within the existing zoning framework.

4056
03:03:23,670 --> 03:03:26,800
 The London Plan emphasizes compatibility

4057
03:03:26,800 --> 03:03:29,820
 an appropriate transition between developments.

4058
03:03:29,820 --> 03:03:32,070
 A six-story building immediately adjacent

4059
03:03:32,070 --> 03:03:33,990
 to one-story homes does not represent

4060
03:03:33,990 --> 03:03:36,050
 an appropriate transition.

4061
03:03:36,050 --> 03:03:38,110
 Approving this application would send a message

4062
03:03:38,110 --> 03:03:40,240
 that mid-rise developments can be inserted

4063
03:03:40,240 --> 03:03:42,260
 into established low-rise neighborhoods

4064
03:03:42,260 --> 03:03:44,450
 regardless of context.

4065
03:03:44,450 --> 03:03:46,520
 That would create a precedent that many residents

4066
03:03:46,520 --> 03:03:49,760
 across the city would find concerning.

4067
03:03:49,760 --> 03:03:51,480
 Carling Heights is a strong, established

4068
03:03:51,480 --> 03:03:51,930
 community

4069
03:03:51,930 --> 03:03:54,370
 made up of seniors, veterans, young families,

4070
03:03:54,370 --> 03:03:56,220
 and long-term residents.

4071
03:03:56,220 --> 03:03:58,000
 We are not opposed to this development.

4072
03:03:58,000 --> 03:04:00,160
 We understand that growth is important.

4073
03:04:00,160 --> 03:04:01,900
 However, growth must be appropriate,

4074
03:04:01,900 --> 03:04:03,960
 compatible and respectable to the neighborhood

4075
03:04:03,960 --> 03:04:05,770
 in which it occurs.

4076
03:04:05,770 --> 03:04:07,570
 Today, I respectfully ask council

4077
03:04:07,570 --> 03:04:10,200
 to listen to the residents who live here

4078
03:04:10,200 --> 03:04:11,700
 who understand this neighborhood

4079
03:04:11,700 --> 03:04:13,600
 and who will live with the consequences

4080
03:04:13,600 --> 03:04:17,070
 of the decision long after the developer has

4081
03:04:17,070 --> 03:04:18,280
 moved on.

4082
03:04:18,280 --> 03:04:20,290
 Thank you for your time and your consideration.

4083
03:04:20,290 --> 03:04:21,660
 - Thank you.

4084
03:04:21,660 --> 03:04:29,170
 I look for the next speaker.

4085
03:04:29,170 --> 03:04:30,150
 - All right.

4086
03:04:30,150 --> 03:04:31,600
 - Please give us your name, you have five minutes

4087
03:04:31,600 --> 03:04:31,720
.

4088
03:04:31,720 --> 03:04:34,650
 - Yeah, my name is Catherine Church.

4089
03:04:34,650 --> 03:04:36,860
 I've read the proposal and have many concerns and

4090
03:04:36,860 --> 03:04:37,380
 objections

4091
03:04:37,380 --> 03:04:39,670
 with regards to the rezoning and amendments for

4092
03:04:39,670 --> 03:04:39,990
 this

4093
03:04:39,990 --> 03:04:42,850
 and other proposed buildings and long-term

4094
03:04:42,850 --> 03:04:43,560
 effects

4095
03:04:43,560 --> 03:04:46,550
 to their neighborhoods and to the environment.

4096
03:04:46,550 --> 03:04:49,370
 The number of requested amendments alone are a

4097
03:04:49,370 --> 03:04:50,170
 red flag.

4098
03:04:50,170 --> 03:04:52,750
 The application revision has gone from 10

4099
03:04:52,750 --> 03:04:54,070
 amendments to eight.

4100
03:04:54,070 --> 03:04:55,700
 And while I appreciate the developer

4101
03:04:55,700 --> 03:04:58,570
 has reduced the units and increased the parking,

4102
03:04:58,570 --> 03:05:00,840
 other amendments have stayed the same

4103
03:05:00,840 --> 03:05:04,290
 or have become more extreme and concerning.

4104
03:05:04,290 --> 03:05:06,600
 Developers and municipalities need to work

4105
03:05:06,600 --> 03:05:09,140
 with existing tax paying communities

4106
03:05:09,140 --> 03:05:11,880
 and respect zoning and bylaws.

4107
03:05:11,880 --> 03:05:14,500
 Bylaws are in place to protect citizens,

4108
03:05:14,500 --> 03:05:17,640
 property, animals, and the environment.

4109
03:05:17,640 --> 03:05:20,260
 The developer is requesting a zone change

4110
03:05:20,260 --> 03:05:25,480
 from commercial one and R1 to an R9-7,

4111
03:05:25,480 --> 03:05:30,520
 special provision to allow for six stories

4112
03:05:30,520 --> 03:05:33,080
 with multiple zoning bylaw amendments.

4113
03:05:33,080 --> 03:05:35,920
 They're looking for by-law amendments

4114
03:05:35,920 --> 03:05:40,840
 on all the yard debt, the height, the density,

4115
03:05:40,840 --> 03:05:43,890
 the lot coverage, landscaped open space,

4116
03:05:43,890 --> 03:05:46,400
 and yard encroachment.

4117
03:05:46,400 --> 03:05:48,590
 Simply put, a construction that requires

4118
03:05:48,590 --> 03:05:50,920
 a long list of amendments is not the right

4119
03:05:50,920 --> 03:05:51,410
 project

4120
03:05:51,410 --> 03:05:53,300
 for the lot size and the neighborhood

4121
03:05:53,300 --> 03:05:54,980
 where it is being proposed.

4122
03:05:54,980 --> 03:05:57,390
 In addition, it conflicts with the London Plan

4123
03:05:57,390 --> 03:05:58,000
 policies

4124
03:05:58,000 --> 03:06:02,380
 193, 252, and 255.

4125
03:06:02,380 --> 03:06:06,830
 The sudden jump from R1 to R9 from one to six

4126
03:06:06,830 --> 03:06:07,130
 stories

4127
03:06:07,130 --> 03:06:10,540
 is not a gradual or appropriate transition.

4128
03:06:10,540 --> 03:06:12,970
 Overall, in my opinion, it shows a lack of

4129
03:06:12,970 --> 03:06:13,450
 concern

4130
03:06:13,450 --> 03:06:15,650
 for the negative impact on neighbors and the

4131
03:06:15,650 --> 03:06:16,940
 community.

4132
03:06:16,940 --> 03:06:18,520
 The proposal is a big change

4133
03:06:18,520 --> 03:06:20,220
 from what has existed historically

4134
03:06:20,220 --> 03:06:22,050
 and what tax paying homeowners in the

4135
03:06:22,050 --> 03:06:22,600
 neighborhood

4136
03:06:22,600 --> 03:06:24,220
 have come to expect.

4137
03:06:24,220 --> 03:06:27,710
 In addition, I'd like to mention the parking,

4138
03:06:27,710 --> 03:06:32,250
 the proposed parking at 0.9 spaces per unit,

4139
03:06:32,250 --> 03:06:34,460
 It's still not enough.

4140
03:06:34,460 --> 03:06:36,210
 This is a concern for London

4141
03:06:36,210 --> 03:06:40,720
 and is prompting a public consultation on June 22

4142
03:06:40,720 --> 03:06:40,830
nd

4143
03:06:40,830 --> 03:06:45,060
 and a council vote proposing a return

4144
03:06:45,060 --> 03:06:49,120
 to parking ratios of one parking spot per unit.

4145
03:06:49,120 --> 03:06:52,480
 The proposed parking still does not take into

4146
03:06:52,480 --> 03:06:52,930
 account

4147
03:06:52,930 --> 03:06:55,470
 that there will be parking overflow

4148
03:06:55,470 --> 03:06:57,380
 from deliveries, visitors and tenants

4149
03:06:57,380 --> 03:07:00,390
 with multiple vehicles.

4150
03:07:00,390 --> 03:07:03,030
 My next concern is the green space.

4151
03:07:03,030 --> 03:07:07,180
 When you look at the lot and you take away the

4152
03:07:07,180 --> 03:07:09,000
 building

4153
03:07:09,000 --> 03:07:12,960
 and the parking, it means that there is 17%

4154
03:07:12,960 --> 03:07:16,360
 landscaped open space spread around the building.

4155
03:07:16,360 --> 03:07:18,290
 This means no meaningful green space.

4156
03:07:18,290 --> 03:07:21,040
 It means 83% of the lot will be concreted in

4157
03:07:21,040 --> 03:07:22,310
 asphalt.

4158
03:07:22,310 --> 03:07:24,300
 London's commitment towards the environment

4159
03:07:24,300 --> 03:07:25,500
 must be maintained.

4160
03:07:25,500 --> 03:07:28,090
 It is a fundamental part of the city

4161
03:07:28,090 --> 03:07:30,470
 of London's identity and character.

4162
03:07:30,470 --> 03:07:32,620
 This is not a downtown core area.

4163
03:07:32,620 --> 03:07:35,610
 trees and greenery provide privacy for neighbors,

4164
03:07:35,610 --> 03:07:38,560
 offset pollution, and replenish the water table

4165
03:07:38,560 --> 03:07:42,110
 and moisture to combat hotspots, drought

4166
03:07:42,110 --> 03:07:43,420
 conditions,

4167
03:07:43,420 --> 03:07:46,560
 which is an increasing problem across Canada,

4168
03:07:46,560 --> 03:07:51,490
 and helps drain areas prone to flooding.

4169
03:07:51,490 --> 03:07:56,160
 The next issue is paradigm transportation

4170
03:07:56,160 --> 03:07:56,610
 solutions

4171
03:07:56,610 --> 03:08:00,070
 limited prepared and impact assessment.

4172
03:08:00,070 --> 03:08:04,350
 However, it is questionable and contains errors.

4173
03:08:04,350 --> 03:08:06,810
 The numbers of cars reported at peak hours

4174
03:08:06,810 --> 03:08:08,710
 in the traffic studies seem to be lower

4175
03:08:08,710 --> 03:08:10,450
 than what is experienced.

4176
03:08:10,450 --> 03:08:13,300
 Traffic volumes fluctuate depending on the season

4177
03:08:13,300 --> 03:08:13,400
,

4178
03:08:13,340 --> 03:08:17,270
 day of the week and local events, example, school

4179
03:08:17,270 --> 03:08:17,990
 hours.

4180
03:08:17,990 --> 03:08:23,320
 Peak traffic fluctuates throughout the day.

4181
03:08:23,320 --> 03:08:26,020
 A single sample of one day out of the whole year

4182
03:08:26,020 --> 03:08:29,000
 is not a good reflection of what happens daily,

4183
03:08:29,000 --> 03:08:31,740
 nor does it reflect the daily experience.

4184
03:08:31,740 --> 03:08:35,030
 these can all lead to faulty trip generation

4185
03:08:35,030 --> 03:08:35,870
 forecasts

4186
03:08:35,870 --> 03:08:37,670
 out of context historical data

4187
03:08:37,670 --> 03:08:41,970
 and failure to evaluate multimodal impact.

4188
03:08:41,970 --> 03:08:45,820
 More importantly, there is an error,

4189
03:08:45,820 --> 03:08:48,210
 as was mentioned before, there is an error

4190
03:08:48,210 --> 03:08:50,930
 where they mentioned that cheap side,

4191
03:08:50,930 --> 03:08:53,920
 Barker and Sterling Street are all 40 kilometer

4192
03:08:53,920 --> 03:08:55,610
 an hour streets.

4193
03:08:55,610 --> 03:08:57,690
 They are, sorry, they're all 50 kilometer an hour

4194
03:08:57,690 --> 03:08:58,560
 streets

4195
03:08:58,560 --> 03:09:01,640
 in the report when in fact they are 40 kilometer

4196
03:09:01,640 --> 03:09:02,600
 an hour

4197
03:09:02,600 --> 03:09:06,200
 and there is a community safety zone on sheep's

4198
03:09:06,200 --> 03:09:06,580
 side.

4199
03:09:06,580 --> 03:09:09,920
 - 30 seconds.

4200
03:09:09,920 --> 03:09:15,050
 - Vera issues with water, tight density,

4201
03:09:15,050 --> 03:09:20,950
 Brownsfield, I could go on and on in conclusion.

4202
03:09:20,950 --> 03:09:23,100
 It is well understood that during an artificial

4203
03:09:23,100 --> 03:09:23,610
 creation

4204
03:09:23,610 --> 03:09:28,030
 of a housing shortage started in 2020,

4205
03:09:28,030 --> 03:09:30,200
 the government introduced incentives for

4206
03:09:30,200 --> 03:09:31,000
 developers.

4207
03:09:31,000 --> 03:09:33,530
 I get it, there's something there to be gained.

4208
03:09:33,530 --> 03:09:36,080
 - Thank you very much, that's your time.

4209
03:09:36,080 --> 03:09:42,360
 We'll look for the next speaker good afternoon.

4210
03:09:42,360 --> 03:09:44,600
 Mr. Chair, please start give us your name. We

4211
03:09:44,600 --> 03:09:45,240
 have five minutes

4212
03:09:45,240 --> 03:09:47,530
 Jay MacGuffin principal planner Monteith Brown

4213
03:09:47,530 --> 03:09:49,690
 planning its owns also acting on behalf of the

4214
03:09:49,690 --> 03:09:49,990
 applicant

4215
03:09:49,990 --> 03:09:52,880
 I just wanted to respond to a couple of comments

4216
03:09:52,880 --> 03:09:53,970
 that I've just heard

4217
03:09:53,970 --> 03:09:57,130
 For clarity in terms of suggesting that a

4218
03:09:57,130 --> 03:09:59,390
 professional engineer has made an error in the

4219
03:09:59,390 --> 03:10:01,200
 report that they have stamped with their

4220
03:10:01,200 --> 03:10:01,990
 professional seal

4221
03:10:01,990 --> 03:10:05,520
 I think it's important to identify that when a

4222
03:10:06,530 --> 03:10:09,560
 Design speed is referred to in a reported design

4223
03:10:09,560 --> 03:10:12,380
 speed is typically 10 kilometers greater than

4224
03:10:12,380 --> 03:10:13,970
 what the posted speed limit is

4225
03:10:13,970 --> 03:10:17,000
 So I don't want the committee thinking that our

4226
03:10:17,000 --> 03:10:20,440
 traffic engineer was making errors in his report

4227
03:10:20,440 --> 03:10:22,730
 There is a difference between a design speed and

4228
03:10:22,730 --> 03:10:24,200
 a posted speed limit on a road

4229
03:10:24,200 --> 03:10:27,140
 further, I want to identify there's a lot of

4230
03:10:27,140 --> 03:10:32,320
 Reaction to the drawing that was provided in our

4231
03:10:32,320 --> 03:10:34,490
 revised submission and I would like to make it

4232
03:10:34,490 --> 03:10:35,590
 very clear to committee

4233
03:10:35,970 --> 03:10:39,090
 that the staff proposal for the zoning bylaw

4234
03:10:39,090 --> 03:10:40,900
 amendment is not reflective of

4235
03:10:40,900 --> 03:10:43,310
 the drawing that was submitted in the revised

4236
03:10:43,310 --> 03:10:45,040
 application. The staff have

4237
03:10:45,040 --> 03:10:48,060
 chosen to require additional setbacks and to

4238
03:10:48,060 --> 03:10:50,870
 require additional open space and

4239
03:10:50,870 --> 03:10:54,390
 to require additional landscape provisions on the

4240
03:10:54,390 --> 03:10:56,900
 property from what is

4241
03:10:56,900 --> 03:10:59,480
 shown on the drawing. So with respect to matters

4242
03:10:59,480 --> 03:11:00,880
 of things like snow storage

4243
03:11:00,880 --> 03:11:03,670
 there'll be significantly more area as a result

4244
03:11:03,670 --> 03:11:05,490
 of the additional landscape

4245
03:11:05,490 --> 03:11:08,340
 open space that is going to be required and the

4246
03:11:08,340 --> 03:11:08,990
 reduced

4247
03:11:08,990 --> 03:11:11,300
 coverages that are being proposed through the

4248
03:11:11,300 --> 03:11:12,010
 staff

4249
03:11:12,010 --> 03:11:14,990
 amendment. Thank you. Thank you. I'll go to the

4250
03:11:14,990 --> 03:11:15,810
 next speaker.

4251
03:11:15,810 --> 03:11:21,470
 Please give us your name and you have five

4252
03:11:21,470 --> 03:11:21,870
 minutes.

4253
03:11:21,870 --> 03:11:25,550
 Good day. I'm Maureen Wilson. I do not live in

4254
03:11:25,550 --> 03:11:27,490
 the immediate area of 929

4255
03:11:27,490 --> 03:11:30,540
 cheap side. However, my own neighborhood recently

4256
03:11:30,540 --> 03:11:32,750
 went through a second round of rezoning changes

4257
03:11:32,750 --> 03:11:33,370
 for the property

4258
03:11:33,370 --> 03:11:37,090
 abutting our yard. So why am I here? I've been

4259
03:11:37,090 --> 03:11:37,480
 following

4260
03:11:37,480 --> 03:11:39,510
 some other developments in the city including

4261
03:11:39,510 --> 03:11:40,670
 this one.

4262
03:11:40,670 --> 03:11:42,680
 I would like to share with you some overall

4263
03:11:42,680 --> 03:11:45,450
 comments and suggestions for your consideration.

4264
03:11:45,450 --> 03:11:47,940
 I will be including some examples of pain points

4265
03:11:47,940 --> 03:11:50,430
 we experienced to help illustrate my points.

4266
03:11:50,430 --> 03:11:53,150
 While the development abutting us past and will

4267
03:11:53,150 --> 03:11:53,880
 move forward,

4268
03:11:53,880 --> 03:11:55,680
 I continue to have a deep sense of angst

4269
03:11:55,680 --> 03:11:57,370
 regarding the overall process

4270
03:11:57,370 --> 03:11:59,450
 and the current direction of infill development

4271
03:11:59,450 --> 03:12:00,190
 in the city.

4272
03:12:00,190 --> 03:12:03,000
 The application before you now and like many

4273
03:12:03,000 --> 03:12:05,350
 others in recent years is full of special

4274
03:12:05,350 --> 03:12:05,970
 provisions.

4275
03:12:05,970 --> 03:12:09,700
 My issue with this is special provisions are no

4276
03:12:09,700 --> 03:12:11,360
 longer special when they have become

4277
03:12:11,360 --> 03:12:13,410
 and something that developers routinely attempt

4278
03:12:13,410 --> 03:12:14,990
 to exploit.

4279
03:12:14,990 --> 03:12:17,250
 In particular, I've used setback requirements

4280
03:12:17,250 --> 03:12:19,480
 as being abused and ignored.

4281
03:12:19,480 --> 03:12:21,480
 In my opinion, the planning and environment

4282
03:12:21,480 --> 03:12:21,930
 committee

4283
03:12:21,930 --> 03:12:23,900
 should not even be seeing the volume

4284
03:12:23,900 --> 03:12:26,880
 of special provisions that pass through here.

4285
03:12:26,880 --> 03:12:29,180
 Current rules and policies should be enforced

4286
03:12:29,180 --> 03:12:31,940
 at the initial application stage.

4287
03:12:31,940 --> 03:12:34,640
 I believe requesting a small reduced setback

4288
03:12:34,640 --> 03:12:36,990
 of say half a meter in order to build something

4289
03:12:36,990 --> 03:12:38,580
 that could not otherwise be built

4290
03:12:38,580 --> 03:12:40,520
 in a slightly smaller format

4291
03:12:40,520 --> 03:12:43,150
 would represent a truly special scenario

4292
03:12:43,150 --> 03:12:45,370
 where it might be reasonable to entertain a

4293
03:12:45,370 --> 03:12:47,120
 reduced setback.

4294
03:12:47,120 --> 03:12:49,520
 I question whether those that review, recommend,

4295
03:12:49,520 --> 03:12:52,080
 and approve setbacks have a true understanding

4296
03:12:52,080 --> 03:12:53,910
 of why they exist.

4297
03:12:53,910 --> 03:12:55,890
 A quick consult with Google regarding the

4298
03:12:55,890 --> 03:12:56,380
 purposes

4299
03:12:56,380 --> 03:12:58,460
 of building development setbacks

4300
03:12:58,460 --> 03:13:00,860
 returns many important reasons--

4301
03:13:00,860 --> 03:13:03,470
 safety, light and air, noise and pollution

4302
03:13:03,470 --> 03:13:07,320
 buffering, privacy, stormwater management, future

4303
03:13:07,320 --> 03:13:07,830
 expansion

4304
03:13:07,830 --> 03:13:11,130
 of roads and sidewalks, neighborhood character,

4305
03:13:11,130 --> 03:13:14,500
 density control and open green space?

4306
03:13:14,500 --> 03:13:17,930
 Are you aware that the city policies for setbacks

4307
03:13:17,930 --> 03:13:21,360
 indicate the setback becomes larger with higher

4308
03:13:21,360 --> 03:13:22,380
 heights?

4309
03:13:22,380 --> 03:13:25,020
 Do these reduced setbacks cumulatively create a

4310
03:13:25,020 --> 03:13:25,800
 situation

4311
03:13:25,800 --> 03:13:27,470
 where the city will have less ability

4312
03:13:27,470 --> 03:13:30,400
 to handle extreme melts and/or rainfalls?

4313
03:13:30,400 --> 03:13:33,060
 Are we swapping our forest city for a heat island

4314
03:13:33,060 --> 03:13:35,150
 and creating future stormwater management

4315
03:13:35,150 --> 03:13:36,780
 challenges?

4316
03:13:36,780 --> 03:13:41,660
 The staff report that PEC receives does include

4317
03:13:41,660 --> 03:13:44,800
 some detail in the form of a couple of numbers,

4318
03:13:44,800 --> 03:13:46,870
 required and proposed.

4319
03:13:46,870 --> 03:13:48,680
 And to the planning department's credit,

4320
03:13:48,680 --> 03:13:51,470
 this development also includes a third number,

4321
03:13:51,470 --> 03:13:53,010
 recommended.

4322
03:13:53,010 --> 03:13:55,330
 I don't necessarily agree with all of the

4323
03:13:55,330 --> 03:13:56,290
 recommendations,

4324
03:13:56,290 --> 03:13:58,460
 but it does appear as though some attention

4325
03:13:58,460 --> 03:14:00,760
 and thought was given to setbacks,

4326
03:14:00,760 --> 03:14:02,360
 which is an improvement.

4327
03:14:02,360 --> 03:14:04,420
 However, I believe the level of detail

4328
03:14:04,420 --> 03:14:06,990
 while short and sweet does not do a very good job

4329
03:14:06,990 --> 03:14:08,450
 of illustrating the differences

4330
03:14:08,450 --> 03:14:11,440
 between the required and proposed setbacks.

4331
03:14:11,440 --> 03:14:13,400
 I would like to suggest PAC requests

4332
03:14:13,400 --> 03:14:16,220
 that reports submitted to them include a chart

4333
03:14:16,220 --> 03:14:19,690
 that illustrates the required setback, story by

4334
03:14:19,690 --> 03:14:20,280
 story,

4335
03:14:20,280 --> 03:14:23,160
 so you as a decision maker can more easily

4336
03:14:23,160 --> 03:14:23,900
 identify

4337
03:14:23,900 --> 03:14:27,300
 when proposed setback is grossly deficient.

4338
03:14:27,300 --> 03:14:29,980
 Perhaps even expand this to have a sliding scale

4339
03:14:29,980 --> 03:14:31,640
 of flexible setback approvals

4340
03:14:31,640 --> 03:14:34,280
 based on the required calculations, story by

4341
03:14:34,280 --> 03:14:35,040
 story,

4342
03:14:35,040 --> 03:14:37,440
 if later in the process something changes

4343
03:14:37,440 --> 03:14:39,690
 and the number of stories were reduced, not

4344
03:14:39,690 --> 03:14:40,640
 likely,

4345
03:14:40,640 --> 03:14:42,980
 they could have a smaller setback.

4346
03:14:42,980 --> 03:14:45,550
 If they build the planning tall, a tall building,

4347
03:14:45,550 --> 03:14:48,280
 it uses the required larger setback.

4348
03:14:48,280 --> 03:14:51,270
 Make it clear, story by story.

4349
03:14:51,270 --> 03:14:53,470
 In my neighborhood, the setback was passed

4350
03:14:53,470 --> 03:14:55,840
 for an eight story, aligns more with the four

4351
03:14:55,840 --> 03:14:56,520
 story.

4352
03:14:56,520 --> 03:14:58,910
 And shockingly, under the rethink zoning document

4353
03:14:58,910 --> 03:14:59,010
,

4354
03:14:58,910 --> 03:15:01,210
 which gives us a glimpse into potential future

4355
03:15:01,210 --> 03:15:01,860
 state,

4356
03:15:01,860 --> 03:15:04,310
 the setback that passed does not even align

4357
03:15:04,310 --> 03:15:06,160
 with the one story.

4358
03:15:06,160 --> 03:15:08,700
 Even more shocking is that the developer retains

4359
03:15:08,700 --> 03:15:11,190
 more than three times the required setback on the

4360
03:15:11,190 --> 03:15:11,630
 east,

4361
03:15:11,630 --> 03:15:13,660
 while at the same time getting a special

4362
03:15:13,660 --> 03:15:14,200
 provision

4363
03:15:14,200 --> 03:15:19,120
 to reduce the West setback, mind boggling.

4364
03:15:19,120 --> 03:15:20,700
 In addition, I would like to suggest

4365
03:15:20,700 --> 03:15:22,980
 that a city staff member should do a site visit

4366
03:15:22,980 --> 03:15:25,420
 when an application innocent progress to fact

4367
03:15:25,420 --> 03:15:26,130
 check.

4368
03:15:26,130 --> 03:15:28,390
 Are the applicant's descriptions of the property

4369
03:15:28,390 --> 03:15:29,240
 truthful?

4370
03:15:29,240 --> 03:15:30,830
 Are there glaring omissions?

4371
03:15:30,830 --> 03:15:32,760
 If so, why is that?

4372
03:15:32,760 --> 03:15:34,760
 In my neighborhood, the initial application

4373
03:15:34,760 --> 03:15:35,240
 described

4374
03:15:35,240 --> 03:15:37,200
 the property with a description that was dece

4375
03:15:37,200 --> 03:15:38,340
iving at best.

4376
03:15:38,340 --> 03:15:40,280
 The property was flipped and the second round

4377
03:15:40,280 --> 03:15:42,380
 was more truthful, although in my opinion,

4378
03:15:42,380 --> 03:15:44,500
 it did omit details for the west side

4379
03:15:44,500 --> 03:15:46,160
 as they were not as glowing as the write up

4380
03:15:46,160 --> 03:15:47,950
 for the other directions.

4381
03:15:47,950 --> 03:15:49,600
 So what can you do?

4382
03:15:49,600 --> 03:15:51,800
 You have the tools to push back on special

4383
03:15:51,800 --> 03:15:52,700
 provisions

4384
03:15:52,700 --> 03:15:54,790
 by simply returning them to their intended

4385
03:15:54,790 --> 03:15:55,810
 special state.

4386
03:15:55,810 --> 03:15:56,640
 - 30 seconds.

4387
03:15:56,640 --> 03:15:57,780
 - Ask why it's required.

4388
03:15:57,780 --> 03:15:59,370
 Ask if it's reasonable.

4389
03:15:59,370 --> 03:16:00,680
 How is it reasonable?

4390
03:16:00,680 --> 03:16:02,140
 Ask for specifics.

4391
03:16:02,140 --> 03:16:04,360
 Ask what could be built if a special provision

4392
03:16:04,360 --> 03:16:05,510
 is not approved.

4393
03:16:05,510 --> 03:16:08,040
 The answers should not simply be driven by higher

4394
03:16:08,040 --> 03:16:08,850
 profits.

4395
03:16:08,850 --> 03:16:10,360
 To the planning staff in PEC,

4396
03:16:10,360 --> 03:16:12,540
 I believe enforcing current rules and policies

4397
03:16:12,540 --> 03:16:14,680
 initial stages would create less friction and

4398
03:16:14,680 --> 03:16:17,290
 save to valuable time. I encourage you to ask

4399
03:16:17,290 --> 03:16:17,770
 questions,

4400
03:16:17,770 --> 03:16:20,400
 flush out the whys. Thank you for your time and

4401
03:16:20,400 --> 03:16:22,820
 consideration and to those of you speaking up

4402
03:16:22,820 --> 03:16:25,070
 for your neighborhoods today, I thank you. Thank

4403
03:16:25,070 --> 03:16:26,610
 you. I'll look for the next speaker.

4404
03:16:26,610 --> 03:16:36,310
 Clerk, if there's anyone online? Stephen Ward?

4405
03:16:36,310 --> 03:16:39,640
 Excuse me. Please go ahead, you have five minutes

4406
03:16:39,640 --> 03:16:40,480
.

4407
03:16:40,480 --> 03:16:44,120
 Okay, thank you. I'm talking to you from Tuscany

4408
03:16:44,120 --> 03:16:46,880
 in Italy, so I hope the quality's there.

4409
03:16:47,830 --> 03:16:51,560
 I know that Sharon just had read some of my

4410
03:16:51,560 --> 03:16:54,780
 comments earlier. I do want to just comment

4411
03:16:54,780 --> 03:16:57,800
 on one thing about the traffic study to the

4412
03:16:57,800 --> 03:17:00,810
 gentleman who represents the applicant.

4413
03:17:00,810 --> 03:17:05,330
 I'm reading right from the study right now. It

4414
03:17:05,330 --> 03:17:08,910
 says the speed limit is 50 kilometers per hour.

4415
03:17:08,910 --> 03:17:12,470
 It doesn't say that anything else just straight

4416
03:17:12,470 --> 03:17:15,320
 speed limit is 50 kilometers per hour

4417
03:17:15,320 --> 03:17:18,410
 and it states that on all three streets it is

4418
03:17:18,410 --> 03:17:22,020
 actually 40 and if actually somebody had attended

4419
03:17:22,020 --> 03:17:25,760
 the site and looked there are three signs right

4420
03:17:25,760 --> 03:17:31,170
 opposite the the property school safety zone

4421
03:17:31,170 --> 03:17:35,080
 community safety zone and a 40 kilometer per hour

4422
03:17:35,080 --> 03:17:39,490
 speed limits to sign so I question the study

4423
03:17:39,490 --> 03:17:43,890
 and I think somebody needs to take that on and

4424
03:17:43,890 --> 03:17:45,860
 take another look at the traffic

4425
03:17:46,720 --> 03:17:51,400
 The space allocated for snow storage is vastly

4426
03:17:51,400 --> 03:17:54,350
 inadequate. London receives an annual snowfall

4427
03:17:54,350 --> 03:17:58,110
 about 76 and a half inches with 17 snowfalls over

4428
03:17:58,110 --> 03:18:02,160
 two inches each. The space allocated for

4429
03:18:02,160 --> 03:18:05,820
 snow storage is vastly inadequate and I'm sure

4430
03:18:05,820 --> 03:18:08,670
 that snow will be piled up against the

4431
03:18:08,670 --> 03:18:11,850
 back of the parking lot and will drain into the

4432
03:18:11,850 --> 03:18:16,720
 properties, single family properties behind it.

4433
03:18:18,150 --> 03:18:22,700
 possibly with salt and that salt damage to their

4434
03:18:22,700 --> 03:18:25,900
 properties, the liability is there.

4435
03:18:25,900 --> 03:18:30,880
 I think that this could be done. This whole

4436
03:18:30,880 --> 03:18:33,370
 property could be developed in something

4437
03:18:33,370 --> 03:18:36,940
 a much smaller size and still be profitable for

4438
03:18:36,940 --> 03:18:41,100
 the applicant, but this is not it. Sorry,

4439
03:18:41,100 --> 03:18:44,600
 they're way over on everything and I think the

4440
03:18:44,600 --> 03:18:48,260
 city just needs to put a stop to it. We don't

4441
03:18:48,260 --> 03:18:48,850
 need

4442
03:18:48,850 --> 03:18:55,130
 more 500 600 square foot units. We need single

4443
03:18:55,130 --> 03:18:59,850
 family homes for families. So I just hope that

4444
03:18:59,850 --> 03:19:02,890
 our counselors who are voted in to represent us

4445
03:19:02,890 --> 03:19:05,950
 will represent us and vote this down. Thank you.

4446
03:19:05,950 --> 03:19:10,030
 Thank you. I look for the next speaker. Let's

4447
03:19:10,030 --> 03:19:15,550
 clerk if there's anyone online. There's a second

4448
03:19:15,550 --> 03:19:19,660
 sir. Okay, there's no one online. Please sir, go

4449
03:19:19,660 --> 03:19:21,990
 ahead. Please give us your name in five minutes.

4450
03:19:21,990 --> 03:19:24,890
 - Sure, Leo Weister, live on Barker.

4451
03:19:24,890 --> 03:19:31,220
 Wanted to reiterate again that the traffic study

4452
03:19:31,220 --> 03:19:36,190
 has some questionable pieces of information in it

4453
03:19:36,190 --> 03:19:36,370
,

4454
03:19:36,370 --> 03:19:41,580
 as the prior person said, the report does talk

4455
03:19:41,580 --> 03:19:41,680
 about

4456
03:19:41,580 --> 03:19:46,740
 posted speed limits as 50 kilometers an hour,

4457
03:19:46,740 --> 03:19:49,500
 and they are indeed posted at 40.

4458
03:19:50,510 --> 03:19:54,140
 I am an engineer, like to collect data,

4459
03:19:54,140 --> 03:19:57,780
 and to say that you can collect data for one day

4460
03:19:57,780 --> 03:20:03,050
 and use that to make judgment on traffic

4461
03:20:03,050 --> 03:20:03,270
 requirements

4462
03:20:03,270 --> 03:20:09,560
 going forward all the way out into 2033,

4463
03:20:09,560 --> 03:20:12,080
 just seems a little bizarre.

4464
03:20:12,080 --> 03:20:14,920
 It should have been at least a one week study

4465
03:20:14,920 --> 03:20:17,540
 every day,

4466
03:20:17,620 --> 03:20:22,480
 And as somebody had mentioned, the traffic

4467
03:20:22,480 --> 03:20:26,750
 is often seasonal in that area and should

4468
03:20:26,750 --> 03:20:28,800
 have been spread over a long period.

4469
03:20:28,800 --> 03:20:31,040
 The one thing that the report doesn't talk about

4470
03:20:31,040 --> 03:20:31,320
 either

4471
03:20:31,320 --> 03:20:36,540
 is Barker tends to be a corridor specifically

4472
03:20:36,540 --> 03:20:44,800
 for traffic going north into the cemetery up on

4473
03:20:44,800 --> 03:20:47,240
 Huron and Barker.

4474
03:20:47,240 --> 03:20:51,870
 Often we have funeral possessions down the street

4475
03:20:51,870 --> 03:20:55,430
 and they can be anywhere from a couple of cars

4476
03:20:55,430 --> 03:20:59,430
 up to 30 cars and that is something

4477
03:20:59,430 --> 03:21:02,810
 that's not even considered within the report.

4478
03:21:02,810 --> 03:21:06,150
 I think I just wanna reiterate the same concerns

4479
03:21:06,150 --> 03:21:09,380
 that everybody has that the building

4480
03:21:09,380 --> 03:21:12,710
 is just not appropriate for the neighborhood.

4481
03:21:12,710 --> 03:21:16,030
 It's a neighborhood of one story homes,

4482
03:21:16,030 --> 03:21:20,490
 primarily built in the '50s, small lots,

4483
03:21:20,490 --> 03:21:24,880
 and a lot of the homeowners do have two cars,

4484
03:21:24,880 --> 03:21:28,790
 and people are parking on the street today.

4485
03:21:28,790 --> 03:21:31,940
 There's no parking on cheap side, not talked

4486
03:21:31,940 --> 03:21:32,880
 about.

4487
03:21:32,880 --> 03:21:36,580
 Overflow parking on Barker and Sterling

4488
03:21:36,580 --> 03:21:39,250
 is limited to one side of the street,

4489
03:21:39,250 --> 03:21:42,110
 so to put a building of that size

4490
03:21:42,110 --> 03:21:46,490
 with potentially that many residents in there,

4491
03:21:46,490 --> 03:21:50,590
 is just gonna totally overwhelm the neighborhood.

4492
03:21:50,590 --> 03:21:51,460
 - Thank you.

4493
03:21:51,460 --> 03:21:52,260
 - Thank you.

4494
03:21:52,260 --> 03:21:56,780
 I'll look for the next speaker.

4495
03:21:56,780 --> 03:22:01,870
 I don't see anyone approaching the microphones,

4496
03:22:01,870 --> 03:22:16,720
 so I'll call the vote to close the PPM.

4497
03:22:16,720 --> 03:22:23,490
 - Deputy Mayor Lewis,

4498
03:22:23,490 --> 03:22:26,420
 posing the vote, the motion carries five to zero.

4499
03:22:26,420 --> 03:22:28,380
 - Thank you, so I'll put this item on the floor

4500
03:22:28,380 --> 03:22:29,880
 for committee.

4501
03:22:29,880 --> 03:22:31,600
 Councillor Cutty.

4502
03:22:31,600 --> 03:22:32,490
 - Thank you, Chair, and through you,

4503
03:22:32,490 --> 03:22:34,720
 I'll move the staff recommendation.

4504
03:22:34,720 --> 03:22:36,930
 Okay, I'll look for a seconder.

4505
03:22:36,930 --> 03:22:38,250
 Deputy Mayor Lewis seconds,

4506
03:22:38,250 --> 03:22:39,600
 sorry, motion moved and seconded.

4507
03:22:39,600 --> 03:22:43,500
 Look for questions or comments from committee or

4508
03:22:43,500 --> 03:22:48,370
 visiting counselors deputy mayor. Thank you chair

4509
03:22:48,370 --> 03:22:48,930
 and for you

4510
03:22:48,930 --> 03:22:52,000
 I think it's really important because we heard a

4511
03:22:52,000 --> 03:22:54,130
 number of speakers reference the special

4512
03:22:54,130 --> 03:22:54,690
 provisions

4513
03:22:54,690 --> 03:22:58,990
 This recommendation from staff actually

4514
03:22:58,990 --> 03:23:03,240
 Refuses the special provisions in part B. It

4515
03:23:03,240 --> 03:23:05,840
 approves the blanket zoning the r9

4516
03:23:05,840 --> 03:23:10,980
 But in part a but in part B. It says to refuse

4517
03:23:12,250 --> 03:23:15,610
 those special provisions, which means that the

4518
03:23:15,610 --> 03:23:17,890
 applicant's going to have to find a way to work

4519
03:23:17,890 --> 03:23:19,290
 with

4520
03:23:19,290 --> 03:23:24,300
 this building that doesn't require all of those

4521
03:23:24,300 --> 03:23:28,260
 reductions, the encroachment reductions, the lot

4522
03:23:28,260 --> 03:23:29,700
 coverage reductions.

4523
03:23:29,700 --> 03:23:31,790
 They're going to have to revise the plan again,

4524
03:23:31,790 --> 03:23:35,530
 but what it does say is yes, it can go from a

4525
03:23:35,530 --> 03:23:38,020
 commercial special provision to a residential

4526
03:23:38,020 --> 03:23:39,040
 special provision.

4527
03:23:39,040 --> 03:23:43,580
 To say plan of approval in part C,

4528
03:23:44,810 --> 03:23:47,850
 also asks for opportunities to relocate prepared

4529
03:23:47,850 --> 03:23:51,630
 transit lay by a landscape buffer on cheap side

4530
03:23:51,630 --> 03:23:54,490
 and sterling work with London Transit Commission

4531
03:23:54,490 --> 03:23:56,780
 to integrate bus stop at Cheap Side Barker as

4532
03:23:56,780 --> 03:24:00,420
 part of the proposed development. So, you know, I

4533
03:24:00,420 --> 03:24:03,050
 have to respectfully disagree with the folks who

4534
03:24:03,050 --> 03:24:05,560
 said the developer really hasn't done anything

4535
03:24:05,560 --> 03:24:08,060
 except return a couple minor changes on paper.

4536
03:24:08,060 --> 03:24:12,480
 We've seen a reduction in units and density. We

4537
03:24:12,480 --> 03:24:14,900
've seen the parking and listen, I'm the one who

4538
03:24:14,900 --> 03:24:17,400
 to introduce the motion to revisit one-to-one

4539
03:24:17,400 --> 03:24:18,540
 parking.

4540
03:24:18,540 --> 03:24:20,540
 But I have to operate under the firm by-law,

4541
03:24:20,540 --> 03:24:21,410
 which is 0.5,

4542
03:24:21,410 --> 03:24:23,940
 which means that they have met the required

4543
03:24:23,940 --> 03:24:26,980
 parking ratio.

4544
03:24:26,980 --> 03:24:29,710
 So much as I may not personally like that,

4545
03:24:29,710 --> 03:24:32,290
 I have to accept it as within the planning rules

4546
03:24:32,290 --> 03:24:36,300
 we have to work within, it meets the criteria.

4547
03:24:36,300 --> 03:24:41,770
 Likewise, the six stories meets the criteria

4548
03:24:41,770 --> 03:24:44,610
 in terms of what is allowed here on cheap side.

4549
03:24:44,610 --> 03:24:48,240
 And we've heard that from our staff in the last

4550
03:24:48,240 --> 03:24:48,840
 go around

4551
03:24:48,840 --> 03:24:51,610
 and it's consistent here.

4552
03:24:51,610 --> 03:24:55,610
 Yes, there's gonna have to be some changes still

4553
03:24:55,610 --> 03:24:57,540
 because they're not getting the special

4554
03:24:57,540 --> 03:24:58,460
 provisions.

4555
03:24:58,460 --> 03:25:01,720
 But the blanket zoning or the base zoning,

4556
03:25:01,720 --> 03:25:03,160
 I should say not blanket zoning,

4557
03:25:03,160 --> 03:25:06,790
 the base zoning is in conformity.

4558
03:25:06,790 --> 03:25:09,900
 And so I'm gonna support this this time around.

4559
03:25:09,900 --> 03:25:15,090
 I think it's also important to say,

4560
03:25:15,090 --> 03:25:17,180
 and I heard at least one resident,

4561
03:25:17,180 --> 03:25:19,820
 maybe there was two as I was making my notes here

4562
03:25:19,820 --> 03:25:19,920
.

4563
03:25:19,860 --> 03:25:22,340
 You know, they'd like to see a store or something

4564
03:25:22,340 --> 03:25:22,690
 this,

4565
03:25:22,690 --> 03:25:24,610
 well, there was a commercial space there,

4566
03:25:24,610 --> 03:25:26,510
 it was no longer viable.

4567
03:25:26,510 --> 03:25:29,160
 And the reality is, and this is not specific

4568
03:25:29,160 --> 03:25:32,220
 to this property, this is happening across the

4569
03:25:32,220 --> 03:25:33,090
 community,

4570
03:25:33,090 --> 03:25:37,410
 these neighborhood commercial spaces are

4571
03:25:37,410 --> 03:25:38,250
 disappearing,

4572
03:25:38,250 --> 03:25:40,480
 because there's just not enough people using them

4573
03:25:40,480 --> 03:25:41,960
 to make them commercially viable,

4574
03:25:41,960 --> 03:25:44,950
 whether it's a garden center or a variety store,

4575
03:25:44,950 --> 03:25:47,170
 I've got a couple of closed vacant variety stores

4576
03:25:47,170 --> 03:25:50,700
 I wore it. Nobody wants to touch them because

4577
03:25:50,700 --> 03:25:52,430
 they can't make go of it anymore because people

4578
03:25:52,430 --> 03:25:54,890
 just order their stuff online, have it delivered

4579
03:25:54,890 --> 03:25:58,190
 to their home, and that doesn't keep a corner

4580
03:25:58,190 --> 03:25:58,730
 store

4581
03:25:58,730 --> 03:26:02,210
 functional. So while I appreciate the sentiment,

4582
03:26:02,210 --> 03:26:05,560
 and I do because I've got a closed convenience

4583
03:26:05,560 --> 03:26:08,180
 store just around the corner from me, that's a

4584
03:26:08,180 --> 03:26:12,440
 bit of an eyesore, but I know that nobody's going

4585
03:26:12,440 --> 03:26:12,540
 to

4586
03:26:12,520 --> 03:26:15,090
 turn that into another variety store because it's

4587
03:26:15,090 --> 03:26:19,050
 just not going to work. So that's the reality

4588
03:26:19,050 --> 03:26:20,770
 here is we're not going to see another commercial

4589
03:26:20,770 --> 03:26:23,130
 development come to this site.

4590
03:26:23,130 --> 03:26:27,200
 It is being looked at for repurposing for

4591
03:26:27,200 --> 03:26:29,820
 residential.

4592
03:26:29,820 --> 03:26:32,190
 I said this at the last meeting and I'm going to

4593
03:26:32,190 --> 03:26:33,630
 reiterate it today.

4594
03:26:33,630 --> 03:26:37,920
 Yes, it's good that we have a high vacancy rate

4595
03:26:37,920 --> 03:26:42,200
 for the highest in 15 years because we're

4596
03:26:42,200 --> 03:26:44,150
 actually just getting into the healthy zone.

4597
03:26:44,150 --> 03:26:47,620
 CMHC recommends a vacancy rate that should be

4598
03:26:47,620 --> 03:26:51,040
 between 3% and 5% and we're now hovering

4599
03:26:51,040 --> 03:26:54,250
 around the 4% mark.

4600
03:26:54,250 --> 03:26:56,200
 we talk about housing affordability, that's what

4601
03:26:56,200 --> 03:26:58,880
 brings rents down. And we've seen that

4602
03:26:58,880 --> 03:27:02,480
 in the year-to-date information comparing 2025 to

4603
03:27:02,480 --> 03:27:04,800
 2026, and you can say the same thing

4604
03:27:04,800 --> 03:27:10,130
 about 2024 to 2025. Today, we are seeing rents

4605
03:27:10,130 --> 03:27:12,830
 that are more than 6% lower than they were

4606
03:27:12,830 --> 03:27:16,310
 a year ago. And that's a good thing for housing

4607
03:27:16,310 --> 03:27:19,730
 affordability. And that's not reflective of

4608
03:27:19,730 --> 03:27:21,950
 too much inventory on the market. That is

4609
03:27:21,950 --> 03:27:24,690
 historically where municipalities should be.

4610
03:27:25,870 --> 03:27:28,290
 It wasn't an artificially created housing crisis

4611
03:27:28,290 --> 03:27:31,440
 in 2020. We had vacancy rates that were

4612
03:27:31,440 --> 03:27:34,130
 below 2%. There really was a housing crisis. Now,

4613
03:27:34,130 --> 03:27:37,080
 there were some multiple reasons for that.

4614
03:27:37,080 --> 03:27:39,150
 I'm not going to suggest by any means that it was

4615
03:27:39,150 --> 03:27:42,070
 just about housing inventory. There were

4616
03:27:42,070 --> 03:27:46,000
 other factors, particularly some of the federal

4617
03:27:46,000 --> 03:27:49,540
 government policy factors that played into that.

4618
03:27:49,540 --> 03:27:52,390
 But nonetheless, there was not enough inventory.

4619
03:27:52,390 --> 03:27:54,380
 And we are finally today starting to see enough

4620
03:27:54,380 --> 03:27:56,350
 inventory on the market, that we are seeing

4621
03:27:56,350 --> 03:27:58,990
 decreasing housing prices. We are seeing housing

4622
03:27:58,990 --> 03:28:01,440
 become more accessible to people. But the housing

4623
03:28:01,440 --> 03:28:05,040
 crisis isn't over. And this application,

4624
03:28:05,040 --> 03:28:08,310
 while I've heard and I understand why residents

4625
03:28:08,310 --> 03:28:11,530
 feel that six stories is too high, it is what's

4626
03:28:11,530 --> 03:28:14,230
 allowed here. And so I'm going to be supportive

4627
03:28:14,230 --> 03:28:16,760
 of the base zoning. But I do support staff's

4628
03:28:16,760 --> 03:28:19,860
 refusal of special provisions. I think that that

4629
03:28:19,860 --> 03:28:21,940
 is quite reasonable to say, you know,

4630
03:28:21,940 --> 03:28:26,170
 you still have too much lock coverage. You still

4631
03:28:26,170 --> 03:28:29,170
 have some exterior side yard and especially the

4632
03:28:29,170 --> 03:28:32,940
 yard encroachments at 0.2 meters. You're going to

4633
03:28:32,940 --> 03:28:35,960
 have to make some changes before you are approved

4634
03:28:35,960 --> 03:28:38,440
 to go ahead. And that's why sending it to site

4635
03:28:38,440 --> 03:28:41,250
 plan with the base zoning, but telling them they

4636
03:28:41,250 --> 03:28:43,200
 can't have the special provisions is what I'm

4637
03:28:43,200 --> 03:28:46,490
 supporting today. Thank you. Oh, Councilor

4638
03:28:46,490 --> 03:28:47,010
 Stevenson.

4639
03:28:47,010 --> 03:28:50,680
 Thank you. I am going to ask that AB called

4640
03:28:50,680 --> 03:28:55,270
 separate from B&C. I'm not going to be able to

4641
03:28:55,270 --> 03:28:58,600
 the support this and as was said by several of

4642
03:28:58,600 --> 03:28:59,280
 the residents

4643
03:28:59,280 --> 03:29:03,260
 here, I am their voice and they're speaking

4644
03:29:03,260 --> 03:29:03,910
 pretty clearly

4645
03:29:03,910 --> 03:29:07,220
 about what it is that they don't want to see in

4646
03:29:07,220 --> 03:29:07,320
 their

4647
03:29:07,280 --> 03:29:10,640
 neighborhood. And the concern that I have is, you

4648
03:29:10,640 --> 03:29:10,840
 know, we

4649
03:29:10,840 --> 03:29:13,260
 talk about six stories is allowed, which I can't

4650
03:29:13,260 --> 03:29:14,200
 argue. But

4651
03:29:14,200 --> 03:29:17,210
 maybe through you to staff, when was that when

4652
03:29:17,210 --> 03:29:18,430
 did that come

4653
03:29:18,430 --> 03:29:20,950
 to pass? Like six stories has been allowed since

4654
03:29:20,950 --> 03:29:22,270
 when I'll go

4655
03:29:22,270 --> 03:29:28,810
 staff. Thank you. And through the chair, those

4656
03:29:28,810 --> 03:29:29,550
 changes were made

4657
03:29:29,550 --> 03:29:32,530
 just part of the heights review.

4658
03:29:32,530 --> 03:29:34,970
 I believe it came forward in 2024.

4659
03:29:34,970 --> 03:29:36,990
 It was ultimately approved by the province in

4660
03:29:36,990 --> 03:29:38,730
 2025.

4661
03:29:38,730 --> 03:29:39,680
 Councilor.

4662
03:29:39,680 --> 03:29:42,160
 - Yeah, so my point is that this is less than a

4663
03:29:42,160 --> 03:29:43,630
 year old

4664
03:29:43,630 --> 03:29:45,640
 where six stories is allowed

4665
03:29:45,640 --> 03:29:48,250
 and we passed it as a council

4666
03:29:48,250 --> 03:29:51,500
 as part of the frame, the Heights framework

4667
03:29:51,500 --> 03:29:52,230
 review.

4668
03:29:52,230 --> 03:29:54,740
 It was done in August of 2024

4669
03:29:54,740 --> 03:29:58,460
 and approved a council I believe on September 10

4670
03:29:58,460 --> 03:29:58,640
th.

4671
03:29:58,640 --> 03:30:00,610
 At a time when the public really isn't paying

4672
03:30:00,610 --> 03:30:01,060
 attention,

4673
03:30:01,060 --> 03:30:03,870
 everybody's on in vacation mode, it wasn't

4674
03:30:03,870 --> 03:30:04,920
 explicit.

4675
03:30:04,920 --> 03:30:07,960
 So we knew about 45 stories downtown and that

4676
03:30:07,960 --> 03:30:08,320
 kind of thing,

4677
03:30:08,320 --> 03:30:12,060
 but we didn't go out and transparently say to the

4678
03:30:12,060 --> 03:30:12,450
 public,

4679
03:30:12,450 --> 03:30:15,740
 hey, due to the housing crisis and wanting to

4680
03:30:15,740 --> 03:30:16,720
 meet the needs,

4681
03:30:16,720 --> 03:30:18,640
 we're gonna be raising the heights

4682
03:30:18,640 --> 03:30:22,190
 from four stories to six stories on these corners

4683
03:30:22,190 --> 03:30:22,490
.

4684
03:30:22,490 --> 03:30:24,500
 This is what we're planning to do and let the

4685
03:30:24,500 --> 03:30:25,550
 public speak.

4686
03:30:25,550 --> 03:30:28,510
 So that's, I have a real problem with that,

4687
03:30:28,510 --> 03:30:30,630
 that it just kind of went through really quickly,

4688
03:30:30,630 --> 03:30:33,130
 not explicitly shared,

4689
03:30:33,130 --> 03:30:35,390
 and something that really impacts neighborhoods,

4690
03:30:35,390 --> 03:30:37,840
 and not just this one, but several across our

4691
03:30:37,840 --> 03:30:38,720
 city.

4692
03:30:38,720 --> 03:30:42,480
 The other concern that I have is,

4693
03:30:42,480 --> 03:30:45,560
 we have another development that's coming up on

4694
03:30:45,560 --> 03:30:46,190
 Geary,

4695
03:30:46,190 --> 03:30:50,200
 and when I look at them, we've got a density here

4696
03:30:50,200 --> 03:30:53,540
 that is, assuming the zoning goes through,

4697
03:30:53,540 --> 03:30:57,580
 it's 75 units per hectare,

4698
03:30:57,580 --> 03:30:59,980
 and recommended 235.

4699
03:30:59,980 --> 03:31:03,170
 So it's three times the required amount.

4700
03:31:03,170 --> 03:31:06,870
 With Geary, it's went from 150 to 358,

4701
03:31:06,870 --> 03:31:11,180
 which is two times the density.

4702
03:31:11,180 --> 03:31:13,370
 Parking is about the same.

4703
03:31:13,370 --> 03:31:16,120
 Land coverage is about the same.

4704
03:31:16,120 --> 03:31:18,030
 Landscaping is about the same.

4705
03:31:18,030 --> 03:31:20,970
 So one, we've got an approval by staff

4706
03:31:20,970 --> 03:31:23,280
 and one, we've got a refusal by staff.

4707
03:31:23,280 --> 03:31:24,870
 So I'm just wondering through you,

4708
03:31:24,870 --> 03:31:26,860
 if staff can help the public

4709
03:31:26,860 --> 03:31:30,080
 and council understand how one is coming through

4710
03:31:30,080 --> 03:31:33,030
 as an approval and one as a refusal.

4711
03:31:33,030 --> 03:31:38,920
 - I'll go to staff.

4712
03:31:38,920 --> 03:31:41,470
 - Through the chair, generally speaking,

4713
03:31:41,470 --> 03:31:44,020
 the sites are a little bit different

4714
03:31:44,020 --> 03:31:47,360
 in terms of the type of development that's

4715
03:31:47,360 --> 03:31:47,890
 proposed

4716
03:31:47,890 --> 03:31:50,950
 and staff have concerns with the intensity

4717
03:31:50,950 --> 03:31:51,350
 proposed

4718
03:31:51,350 --> 03:31:53,980
 at Fanshawe and Gearia as well as the form.

4719
03:31:53,980 --> 03:31:56,230
 This one staff are generally satisfied with the

4720
03:31:56,230 --> 03:31:57,090
 intensity,

4721
03:31:57,090 --> 03:31:59,360
 with some refinements to the form that we feel

4722
03:31:59,360 --> 03:32:01,630
 can be accomplished at the site plan stage,

4723
03:32:01,630 --> 03:32:04,520
 subject to the staff recommended zoning.

4724
03:32:04,520 --> 03:32:06,830
 - Councilor.

4725
03:32:06,830 --> 03:32:09,220
 - Thank you, and while I understand that,

4726
03:32:09,220 --> 03:32:11,760
 six stories is allowed on cheap side,

4727
03:32:11,760 --> 03:32:15,390
 eight stories is allowed on Fanshawe.

4728
03:32:15,390 --> 03:32:18,360
 The density is three times on cheap side,

4729
03:32:18,360 --> 03:32:20,970
 and it's only two times on Fanshawe.

4730
03:32:20,970 --> 03:32:24,480
 So, and Fanshawe is a main street and cheap side,

4731
03:32:24,480 --> 03:32:26,960
 although it is, it really isn't.

4732
03:32:26,960 --> 03:32:28,940
 It's hard to compare, the neighborhoods are the

4733
03:32:28,940 --> 03:32:29,330
 same.

4734
03:32:29,330 --> 03:32:33,390
 These are single-family, you know, low-density

4735
03:32:33,390 --> 03:32:36,420
 residential neighborhoods where we're talking

4736
03:32:36,420 --> 03:32:39,580
 about putting something that's three times the

4737
03:32:39,580 --> 03:32:41,540
 required density.

4738
03:32:41,540 --> 03:32:44,140
 And you know, while I understand that the

4739
03:32:44,140 --> 03:32:46,970
 provincial policy statement asks us to look

4740
03:32:46,970 --> 03:32:49,980
 at unused commercial spaces and switch them to

4741
03:32:49,980 --> 03:32:53,210
 residential, how many times have neighborhoods

4742
03:32:53,210 --> 03:32:56,070
 have we got rid of schools and then realized that

4743
03:32:56,070 --> 03:32:59,150
 we, you know, a little while later maybe

4744
03:32:59,150 --> 03:33:00,790
 be regretted that decision.

4745
03:33:00,790 --> 03:33:03,180
 So we're making 50 year decisions here

4746
03:33:03,180 --> 03:33:04,890
 when we put up apartment buildings.

4747
03:33:04,890 --> 03:33:08,400
 And although commercial is not a viable option at

4748
03:33:08,400 --> 03:33:09,160
 the moment,

4749
03:33:09,160 --> 03:33:13,180
 this is a midway between Adelaide and Highbury.

4750
03:33:13,180 --> 03:33:16,490
 It's a great little spot to have walkable

4751
03:33:16,490 --> 03:33:17,450
 commercial spaces

4752
03:33:17,450 --> 03:33:20,680
 that may be very viable five to 10 years from now

4753
03:33:20,680 --> 03:33:23,530
 and won't be an option anymore if this goes

4754
03:33:23,530 --> 03:33:24,030
 through.

4755
03:33:24,030 --> 03:33:27,060
 So I'm not going to be supporting the zoning

4756
03:33:27,060 --> 03:33:27,870
 change

4757
03:33:27,870 --> 03:33:31,970
 to from commercial to residential and I really

4758
03:33:31,970 --> 03:33:35,620
 think that we need to listen to the public if you

4759
03:33:35,620 --> 03:33:38,500
 watch what's happening Calgary in their municipal

4760
03:33:38,500 --> 03:33:41,660
 election they did repealing a blanket zoning

4761
03:33:41,660 --> 03:33:44,210
 there's other cities in sofasan Ontario that

4762
03:33:44,210 --> 03:33:47,510
 point of order mr chair hold on to second

4763
03:33:47,510 --> 03:33:51,790
 councilor point of order go ahead the councilor

4764
03:33:51,790 --> 03:33:54,230
 is way off base in talking about calgary

4765
03:33:54,230 --> 03:33:54,780
 municipal

4766
03:33:54,780 --> 03:33:57,060
 elections out there that has nothing to do with

4767
03:33:57,060 --> 03:33:59,460
 this application and not only is it a completely

4768
03:33:59,460 --> 03:34:01,570
 different municipalities it's under completely

4769
03:34:01,570 --> 03:34:03,540
 different provincial jurisdiction. I'd ask the

4770
03:34:03,540 --> 03:34:07,620
 councilor keep her comments to this file. Yeah I

4771
03:34:07,620 --> 03:34:09,540
 have to agree there councilor just

4772
03:34:09,540 --> 03:34:12,370
 please keep it to this item. Okay no problem my

4773
03:34:12,370 --> 03:34:14,600
 my point is really just about public

4774
03:34:14,600 --> 03:34:18,860
 like when I talked to the public in 2022 the

4775
03:34:18,860 --> 03:34:21,780
 housing issue was a very big issue as we

4776
03:34:21,780 --> 03:34:22,490
 implemented

4777
03:34:22,490 --> 03:34:25,820
 for as of right and ARUs and and heights review

4778
03:34:25,820 --> 03:34:29,190
 changes and as these things are unfolding in

4779
03:34:29,190 --> 03:34:31,960
 in our city, there's been a change of heart

4780
03:34:31,960 --> 03:34:35,150
 and ask for us to reevaluate, to look at things,

4781
03:34:35,150 --> 03:34:37,240
 to listen to them, to ensure that we're making

4782
03:34:37,240 --> 03:34:38,140
 decisions.

4783
03:34:38,140 --> 03:34:41,050
 They're gonna create a better city in general

4784
03:34:41,050 --> 03:34:44,320
 for all of us and for the next generation.

4785
03:34:44,320 --> 03:34:46,770
 So my point is that we've seen,

4786
03:34:46,770 --> 03:34:50,560
 even in Southwest Ontario, cities make changes.

4787
03:34:50,560 --> 03:34:53,820
 Just like the .5 parking, through you two staff,

4788
03:34:53,820 --> 03:34:56,420
 when did the .5 parking go through?

4789
03:34:56,420 --> 03:34:59,270
 - I'll go staff.

4790
03:34:59,270 --> 03:35:00,230
 Thank you and true to Chair.

4791
03:35:00,230 --> 03:35:03,410
 - That was in 2022, Councilor.

4792
03:35:03,410 --> 03:35:05,640
 - So again, 2022, I don't know if it was this

4793
03:35:05,640 --> 03:35:05,880
 term,

4794
03:35:05,880 --> 03:35:08,000
 a Councilor just the previous one,

4795
03:35:08,000 --> 03:35:10,710
 but we made this change to 0.5 parking.

4796
03:35:10,710 --> 03:35:12,500
 And now we've realized it's not a good idea.

4797
03:35:12,500 --> 03:35:14,650
 Now we're looking at going back to one.

4798
03:35:14,650 --> 03:35:17,470
 But in the meantime, we're having to approve

4799
03:35:17,470 --> 03:35:18,400
 projects

4800
03:35:18,400 --> 03:35:21,910
 that we know or we believe to be going to cause

4801
03:35:21,910 --> 03:35:23,740
 parking problems in our neighborhoods

4802
03:35:23,740 --> 03:35:26,400
 because we did these fast changes and we course

4803
03:35:26,400 --> 03:35:27,170
 corrected.

4804
03:35:27,170 --> 03:35:28,810
 We have the ability to make other course

4805
03:35:28,810 --> 03:35:29,400
 corrections

4806
03:35:29,400 --> 03:35:33,390
 And I think we need to listen to the public.

4807
03:35:33,390 --> 03:35:34,730
 - Thank you.

4808
03:35:34,730 --> 03:35:39,740
 Look for other comments or questions.

4809
03:35:39,740 --> 03:35:43,750
 Councillor Trussell.

4810
03:35:43,750 --> 03:35:45,950
 - I'm gonna, thank you very much again.

4811
03:35:45,950 --> 03:35:47,550
 I'm not a member of this committee.

4812
03:35:47,550 --> 03:35:48,460
 I won't be voting.

4813
03:35:48,460 --> 03:35:53,400
 I wanna thank Councillor Stevenson

4814
03:35:53,400 --> 03:35:57,120
 for her very thorough research on this.

4815
03:35:57,120 --> 03:36:00,910
 And I think that some of your insights were very

4816
03:36:00,910 --> 03:36:02,090
 astute.

4817
03:36:02,090 --> 03:36:04,540
 Looking at comparing the numbers

4818
03:36:04,540 --> 03:36:07,230
 from different parts of the city,

4819
03:36:07,230 --> 03:36:09,700
 It's just very curious.

4820
03:36:09,700 --> 03:36:11,760
 I don't see the consistency.

4821
03:36:11,760 --> 03:36:14,810
 Now I'm going to be, I guess one way of fixing

4822
03:36:14,810 --> 03:36:15,050
 that

4823
03:36:15,050 --> 03:36:17,120
 is to just approve both of them,

4824
03:36:17,120 --> 03:36:19,010
 but I'm not asking you to do that.

4825
03:36:19,010 --> 03:36:24,760
 But I just wanted to say that what bothers me

4826
03:36:24,760 --> 03:36:26,170
 about this

4827
03:36:26,170 --> 03:36:29,210
 is I don't understand the difference

4828
03:36:29,210 --> 03:36:32,340
 between cheap side and fan shore park road

4829
03:36:32,340 --> 03:36:37,210
 in terms of the treatment.

4830
03:36:38,500 --> 03:36:39,840
 I'm troubled.

4831
03:36:39,840 --> 03:36:42,170
 Cheap side gets to Adelaide really quickly,

4832
03:36:42,170 --> 03:36:45,120
 and then it comes through my ward.

4833
03:36:45,120 --> 03:36:50,330
 I don't want to see a six story building

4834
03:36:50,330 --> 03:36:53,360
 in the middle of a residential neighborhood.

4835
03:36:53,360 --> 03:36:55,380
 And I have to, I've asked this before at this

4836
03:36:55,380 --> 03:36:56,130
 council.

4837
03:36:56,130 --> 03:36:58,400
 Where is the missing middle?

4838
03:36:58,400 --> 03:37:00,180
 Where is the missing middle?

4839
03:37:00,180 --> 03:37:01,880
 There's no missing middle.

4840
03:37:01,880 --> 03:37:06,110
 Because whenever an applicant has the opportunity

4841
03:37:06,110 --> 03:37:08,040
 to go beyond what would be a reasonable missing

4842
03:37:08,040 --> 03:37:11,120
 middle,

4843
03:37:11,120 --> 03:37:12,580
 we get something much bigger.

4844
03:37:12,580 --> 03:37:15,080
 Let me get something that's inappropriate.

4845
03:37:15,080 --> 03:37:18,610
 I'd be remiss if I didn't talk about the traffic

4846
03:37:18,610 --> 03:37:19,040
 study.

4847
03:37:19,040 --> 03:37:21,030
 At many of these council meetings,

4848
03:37:21,030 --> 03:37:23,000
 I talk about the traffic study.

4849
03:37:23,000 --> 03:37:26,610
 Once again, I think the traffic study was flawed.

4850
03:37:26,610 --> 03:37:28,590
 I won't repeat all the reasons.

4851
03:37:28,590 --> 03:37:30,780
 I think that the members of the audience

4852
03:37:30,780 --> 03:37:33,490
 did a good job critiquing the traffic study.

4853
03:37:33,490 --> 03:37:36,700
 I wish there was some way that we could look

4854
03:37:36,700 --> 03:37:41,560
 at the traffic study before it gets to this stage

4855
03:37:41,560 --> 03:37:41,660
.

4856
03:37:41,560 --> 03:37:45,630
 because for me to say, this traffic study was

4857
03:37:45,630 --> 03:37:46,140
 flawed,

4858
03:37:46,140 --> 03:37:49,410
 I'd like to send it back, I'll be told,

4859
03:37:49,410 --> 03:37:51,640
 well you can't do that because we're under a time

4860
03:37:51,640 --> 03:37:53,210
 limitation.

4861
03:37:53,210 --> 03:37:57,520
 So we basically, time after time, we are sort of

4862
03:37:57,520 --> 03:37:59,190
 forced

4863
03:37:59,190 --> 03:38:02,700
 to accept unacceptable traffic studies that are

4864
03:38:02,700 --> 03:38:04,350
 flawed

4865
03:38:04,350 --> 03:38:06,250
 and their conclusion and their methodology

4866
03:38:06,250 --> 03:38:08,370
 and the way they look at things, and it's the

4867
03:38:08,370 --> 03:38:09,170
 same thing.

4868
03:38:09,170 --> 03:38:11,260
 These traffic studies that we get,

4869
03:38:11,260 --> 03:38:16,230
 they're just hand, they're just the same,

4870
03:38:16,230 --> 03:38:18,490
 And we need to develop a better process

4871
03:38:18,490 --> 03:38:20,270
 for looking at the traffic studies

4872
03:38:20,270 --> 03:38:21,500
 earlier in the procedure.

4873
03:38:21,500 --> 03:38:23,600
 And I know I'm getting off the application.

4874
03:38:23,600 --> 03:38:26,090
 So I won't go, I won't talk about the need for

4875
03:38:26,090 --> 03:38:26,770
 that.

4876
03:38:26,770 --> 03:38:29,440
 But this traffic study was inadequate.

4877
03:38:29,440 --> 03:38:31,160
 And I think the way this neighborhood is being

4878
03:38:31,160 --> 03:38:31,870
 treated,

4879
03:38:31,870 --> 03:38:33,550
 assumption should not be made about your

4880
03:38:33,550 --> 03:38:34,980
 purchasing habits.

4881
03:38:34,980 --> 03:38:37,300
 Assumption should not be made

4882
03:38:37,300 --> 03:38:38,860
 about what the demographic here is

4883
03:38:38,860 --> 03:38:41,410
 in terms of what kind of shopping opportunities

4884
03:38:41,410 --> 03:38:42,930
 you'd like to have.

4885
03:38:42,930 --> 03:38:44,490
 I don't know if you were allowed to make a point

4886
03:38:44,490 --> 03:38:47,090
 of personal privilege on behalf of another

4887
03:38:47,090 --> 03:38:47,560
 neighborhood

4888
03:38:47,560 --> 03:38:50,000
 that you don't live in, but I almost had my hand

4889
03:38:50,000 --> 03:38:50,710
 up there

4890
03:38:50,710 --> 03:38:52,180
 for a while.

4891
03:38:52,180 --> 03:38:54,490
 I think it would be very reasonable not to put up

4892
03:38:54,490 --> 03:38:58,910
 a huge shopping center there, but mixed use.

4893
03:38:58,910 --> 03:39:00,960
 We're not talking about the missing middle.

4894
03:39:00,960 --> 03:39:03,160
 We're not talking about mixed use.

4895
03:39:03,160 --> 03:39:05,170
 We're not talking about a variety of different

4896
03:39:05,170 --> 03:39:05,600
 options

4897
03:39:05,600 --> 03:39:07,200
 of housing types.

4898
03:39:07,200 --> 03:39:11,200
 We're just getting the same persistent over

4899
03:39:11,200 --> 03:39:12,790
 development

4900
03:39:12,790 --> 03:39:15,140
 requests, prime after time.

4901
03:39:15,140 --> 03:39:16,970
 And I think that you go across the different

4902
03:39:16,970 --> 03:39:17,480
 neighborhoods

4903
03:39:17,480 --> 03:39:20,450
 in this city, and people are tired of it.

4904
03:39:20,450 --> 03:39:22,250
 People are tired of it today,

4905
03:39:22,250 --> 03:39:23,850
 and they're tired of it at other meetings,

4906
03:39:23,850 --> 03:39:25,260
 and we're gonna keep hearing that.

4907
03:39:25,260 --> 03:39:31,660
 One final thing, in terms of the September 2024

4908
03:39:31,660 --> 03:39:32,150
 adoption

4909
03:39:32,150 --> 03:39:34,350
 of a lot of different changes to the official

4910
03:39:34,350 --> 03:39:35,180
 plan,

4911
03:39:35,180 --> 03:39:38,900
 I said it at the time, we took on too much that

4912
03:39:38,900 --> 03:39:40,260
 night.

4913
03:39:40,260 --> 03:39:41,990
 And a lot of those, I think we're having some

4914
03:39:41,990 --> 03:39:43,210
 regrets

4915
03:39:43,210 --> 03:39:45,890
 about some of the things that we rushed through

4916
03:39:45,890 --> 03:39:48,560
 without adequate public consultation

4917
03:39:48,560 --> 03:39:50,430
 and understanding of what the implications were

4918
03:39:50,430 --> 03:39:51,210
 gonna be.

4919
03:39:51,210 --> 03:39:53,280
 And I think the next council, we can't do it,

4920
03:39:53,280 --> 03:39:54,930
 but the next council is gonna have to go back

4921
03:39:54,930 --> 03:39:57,860
 and look at that, and make some corrections.

4922
03:39:57,860 --> 03:40:01,030
 But for tonight, to get back to this project,

4923
03:40:01,030 --> 03:40:02,550
 I stand with the Ward Councilor,

4924
03:40:02,550 --> 03:40:04,610
 and I will not be supporting this.

4925
03:40:04,610 --> 03:40:06,800
 Councillor Hawkins.

4926
03:40:06,800 --> 03:40:08,710
 - Thank you, Mr. Chair, for recognizing me.

4927
03:40:08,710 --> 03:40:09,980
 I'm not part of this committee,

4928
03:40:09,980 --> 03:40:13,350
 but I do appreciate making a couple of comments.

4929
03:40:13,350 --> 03:40:15,690
 And I would like to encourage the committee

4930
03:40:15,690 --> 03:40:18,750
 to support staff's recommendation.

4931
03:40:18,750 --> 03:40:21,010
 You already have done a very similar

4932
03:40:21,010 --> 03:40:23,410
 recommendation

4933
03:40:23,410 --> 03:40:27,450
 in my ward, a number, maybe almost a year ago.

4934
03:40:27,730 --> 03:40:31,730
 And I'd just like to point out, on the refusal

4935
03:40:31,730 --> 03:40:34,110
 part of the B, the special provisions,

4936
03:40:34,110 --> 03:40:37,120
 there's a lot more work that needs to be done. I

4937
03:40:37,120 --> 03:40:37,990
 appreciate the work

4938
03:40:37,990 --> 03:40:41,720
 that the applicant has done today, reducing it.

4939
03:40:41,720 --> 03:40:45,400
 But this application still has a lot more work

4940
03:40:45,400 --> 03:40:48,470
 to be had. I think we have to be careful if we

4941
03:40:48,470 --> 03:40:51,590
 get too much into the weeds, and it's very

4942
03:40:51,590 --> 03:40:52,380
 difficult

4943
03:40:52,380 --> 03:40:54,980
 for the community to understand this process. I

4944
03:40:54,980 --> 03:40:57,500
 have challenges, and I've been here a long time,

4945
03:40:58,220 --> 03:41:02,200
 But it's important that we try to share this

4946
03:41:02,200 --> 03:41:03,410
 information,

4947
03:41:03,410 --> 03:41:05,880
 explain it to the community what this refusal

4948
03:41:05,880 --> 03:41:07,780
 even means,

4949
03:41:07,780 --> 03:41:08,970
 and try to understand it.

4950
03:41:08,970 --> 03:41:11,210
 You may not want this development.

4951
03:41:11,210 --> 03:41:13,760
 But I said, like I said, there's a lot more work

4952
03:41:13,760 --> 03:41:14,330
 to be done,

4953
03:41:14,330 --> 03:41:16,740
 so I would encourage the committee

4954
03:41:16,740 --> 03:41:20,870
 to support the recommendation.

4955
03:41:20,870 --> 03:41:22,580
 Councilor Omen.

4956
03:41:22,580 --> 03:41:24,410
 Thank you, and through you, I just

4957
03:41:24,410 --> 03:41:28,040
 had a couple questions before I state my position

4958
03:41:28,040 --> 03:41:29,190
 on things.

4959
03:41:29,190 --> 03:41:32,260
 I wanted to ask staff if they can explain

4960
03:41:32,260 --> 03:41:34,850
 what the next step, if this was approved,

4961
03:41:34,850 --> 03:41:36,880
 would be with respect to be

4962
03:41:36,880 --> 03:41:38,870
 and how the community would be informed

4963
03:41:38,870 --> 03:41:41,340
 or what kind of communication they would receive

4964
03:41:41,340 --> 03:41:44,440
 about any future submissions.

4965
03:41:44,440 --> 03:41:47,790
 - Go to staff.

4966
03:41:47,790 --> 03:41:49,530
 - Thank you and through the chair.

4967
03:41:49,530 --> 03:41:52,030
 After this application goes to council,

4968
03:41:52,030 --> 03:41:54,400
 all members of the public that have commented

4969
03:41:54,400 --> 03:41:56,340
 on this application will receive notice of

4970
03:41:56,340 --> 03:41:57,630
 decision,

4971
03:41:57,630 --> 03:41:59,760
 notice of council decision.

4972
03:41:59,760 --> 03:42:03,000
 Additionally, if a new application would come in,

4973
03:42:03,000 --> 03:42:05,310
 we would do the same circulation process as

4974
03:42:05,310 --> 03:42:06,170
 previously.

4975
03:42:06,170 --> 03:42:09,020
 So within 120 meters of the subject lands,

4976
03:42:09,020 --> 03:42:11,650
 planning application sign, a webpage,

4977
03:42:11,650 --> 03:42:14,750
 and everybody who has previously provided

4978
03:42:14,750 --> 03:42:15,370
 communications

4979
03:42:15,370 --> 03:42:18,270
 would again be notified as well.

4980
03:42:18,270 --> 03:42:19,260
 - Councillor.

4981
03:42:19,260 --> 03:42:20,060
 - Thank you.

4982
03:42:20,060 --> 03:42:23,880
 So just to clarify where it says, let's say,

4983
03:42:23,880 --> 03:42:27,840
 Council supports A and B as it's written.

4984
03:42:27,840 --> 03:42:33,200
 what can the community expect if Council supports

4985
03:42:33,200 --> 03:42:33,300
 A

4986
03:42:33,240 --> 03:42:38,860
 and supports B with the refusal in terms of

4987
03:42:38,860 --> 03:42:42,180
 what the building form might look like,

4988
03:42:42,180 --> 03:42:45,600
 what it could be because of the change

4989
03:42:45,600 --> 03:42:48,580
 in the special provisions that are listed here.

4990
03:42:48,580 --> 03:42:50,560
 - I'll go start.

4991
03:42:50,560 --> 03:42:51,830
 - Thank you and true to Chair.

4992
03:42:51,830 --> 03:42:54,760
 What it means is that a base R9-7 zone

4993
03:42:54,760 --> 03:42:56,980
 with a maximum height of 21 meters has been

4994
03:42:56,980 --> 03:42:57,680
 approved,

4995
03:42:57,680 --> 03:43:01,560
 that basically all other special provisions

4996
03:43:01,560 --> 03:43:04,220
 would need to revert back to the base regulations

4997
03:43:04,220 --> 03:43:05,480
 in the R9 zone.

4998
03:43:05,480 --> 03:43:07,740
 So the requested reductions, for example,

4999
03:43:07,740 --> 03:43:10,860
 for landscape open space or increase in coverage,

5000
03:43:10,860 --> 03:43:13,980
 if B would be approved, those would be refused

5001
03:43:13,980 --> 03:43:15,630
 and we would go back to the base

5002
03:43:15,630 --> 03:43:18,210
 of zone regulations in the R9 zone.

5003
03:43:18,210 --> 03:43:19,670
 - Councillor.

5004
03:43:19,670 --> 03:43:20,490
 - Thank you.

5005
03:43:20,490 --> 03:43:24,930
 So would the public see any revisions based on

5006
03:43:24,930 --> 03:43:25,430
 what's here?

5007
03:43:25,430 --> 03:43:29,290
 What happens next in the process?

5008
03:43:29,290 --> 03:43:30,510
 for the staff.

5009
03:43:30,510 --> 03:43:31,980
 Thank you and through the chair.

5010
03:43:31,980 --> 03:43:34,280
 No, if this would be approved,

5011
03:43:34,280 --> 03:43:37,300
 this would move further to the stipend approval

5012
03:43:37,300 --> 03:43:37,650
 stage

5013
03:43:37,650 --> 03:43:39,960
 where those changes would have to be made,

5014
03:43:39,960 --> 03:43:42,120
 the general public would generally not see those

5015
03:43:42,120 --> 03:43:43,130
 changes.

5016
03:43:43,130 --> 03:43:44,920
 Councillor?

5017
03:43:44,920 --> 03:43:46,420
 - Thank you.

5018
03:43:46,420 --> 03:43:49,140
 And if there was an open site plan process, would

5019
03:43:49,140 --> 03:43:50,730
 they?

5020
03:43:50,730 --> 03:44:00,780
 - Good staff.

5021
03:44:00,780 --> 03:44:01,960
 Thank you and through the chair.

5022
03:44:01,960 --> 03:44:05,110
 If council decides to add a holding provision

5023
03:44:05,110 --> 03:44:06,180
 or a direction to site plan

5024
03:44:06,180 --> 03:44:09,130
 for an open site plan consultation process,

5025
03:44:09,130 --> 03:44:13,290
 then that would occur, Councillor.

5026
03:44:13,290 --> 03:44:15,830
 - Thank you, that's helpful to know.

5027
03:44:15,830 --> 03:44:18,520
 One of the challenges I have with what's in front

5028
03:44:18,520 --> 03:44:19,150
 of us

5029
03:44:19,150 --> 03:44:21,210
 besides the height, besides the ongoing

5030
03:44:21,210 --> 03:44:21,930
 conversation

5031
03:44:21,930 --> 03:44:23,560
 about some of the changes that we made

5032
03:44:23,560 --> 03:44:25,470
 through the height framework,

5033
03:44:25,470 --> 03:44:28,170
 as well as the parking regulation changes,

5034
03:44:28,170 --> 03:44:31,110
 which I support going back to one to one,

5035
03:44:31,110 --> 03:44:34,540
 is just where we're left with the recommendation

5036
03:44:34,540 --> 03:44:37,320
 at this point and what that communicates to the

5037
03:44:37,320 --> 03:44:38,280
 community.

5038
03:44:38,280 --> 03:44:40,780
 What it says to me is that throughout the process

5039
03:44:40,780 --> 03:44:40,880
,

5040
03:44:40,780 --> 03:44:43,090
 we had drawings, we had submissions,

5041
03:44:43,090 --> 03:44:45,540
 we had things that people could look at,

5042
03:44:45,540 --> 03:44:47,580
 that gave them a sense of the building in the

5043
03:44:47,580 --> 03:44:47,880
 form.

5044
03:44:47,880 --> 03:44:52,210
 And then when we approved part of,

5045
03:44:52,210 --> 03:44:54,880
 if it were to be approved the height part in part

5046
03:44:54,880 --> 03:44:55,070
 A,

5047
03:44:55,070 --> 03:44:58,710
 they wouldn't get a sense of what happens next

5048
03:44:58,710 --> 03:45:00,700
 with part B because of the refusal.

5049
03:45:00,700 --> 03:45:03,580
 And I think that that creates some underlying

5050
03:45:03,580 --> 03:45:04,180
 tensions

5051
03:45:04,180 --> 03:45:06,910
 that continue on because there's a lot of unknown

5052
03:45:06,910 --> 03:45:07,010
s

5053
03:45:07,010 --> 03:45:11,240
 as to what could end up being built there.

5054
03:45:11,240 --> 03:45:13,570
 So I'm not sure how we resolve some of those

5055
03:45:13,570 --> 03:45:13,990
 tensions

5056
03:45:13,990 --> 03:45:15,510
 if this were to be approved.

5057
03:45:15,510 --> 03:45:18,700
 As I said, I'm not supportive of the proposal,

5058
03:45:18,700 --> 03:45:20,340
 but I do think that it's important

5059
03:45:20,340 --> 03:45:22,610
 to contemplate all scenarios.

5060
03:45:22,610 --> 03:45:25,340
 And it might be something where we need to

5061
03:45:25,340 --> 03:45:26,200
 consider things

5062
03:45:26,200 --> 03:45:28,240
 like open site plans or something

5063
03:45:28,240 --> 03:45:29,990
 that allows the public to continue

5064
03:45:29,990 --> 03:45:34,500
 to have some ability to lend some opinion

5065
03:45:34,500 --> 03:45:38,140
 into what comes out of this project.

5066
03:45:38,140 --> 03:45:40,090
 - Is that a question, Councillor, or is that a

5067
03:45:40,090 --> 03:45:41,130
 statement?

5068
03:45:41,130 --> 03:45:43,870
 - A little bit of both, it was a question, sure.

5069
03:45:43,870 --> 03:45:47,760
 - Okay, staff, wanted to respond to that.

5070
03:45:47,760 --> 03:45:49,550
 - Thank you, and through the chair.

5071
03:45:49,550 --> 03:45:51,760
 I just want to clarify earlier, misspoke.

5072
03:45:51,760 --> 03:45:54,020
 The holding provision for public site plan

5073
03:45:54,020 --> 03:45:56,870
 has been removed that is no longer in place,

5074
03:45:56,870 --> 03:45:59,100
 but you can make a direction for an open site

5075
03:45:59,100 --> 03:46:00,490
 plan process.

5076
03:46:00,490 --> 03:46:03,080
 And so that is one way to go about it.

5077
03:46:03,080 --> 03:46:04,080
 - Councillor.

5078
03:46:04,080 --> 03:46:04,900
 - Thank you, yes, I'm aware.

5079
03:46:04,900 --> 03:46:06,150
 I'm just not a member of the committee,

5080
03:46:06,150 --> 03:46:07,360
 so I'm just sharing my thoughts.

5081
03:46:07,360 --> 03:46:08,340
 Thank you.

5082
03:46:08,340 --> 03:46:11,100
 - Thank you, I'll go for any other comments or

5083
03:46:11,100 --> 03:46:11,790
 questions.

5084
03:46:11,790 --> 03:46:13,580
 Councillor Stevenson.

5085
03:46:13,580 --> 03:46:17,730
 - Well, just second please.

5086
03:46:17,730 --> 03:46:20,070
 Councillor, you're already have five minutes.

5087
03:46:20,070 --> 03:46:23,760
 We're in committee, if you can be brief, go ahead

5088
03:46:23,760 --> 03:46:23,940
.

5089
03:46:23,940 --> 03:46:25,960
 - I was just wondering if we could make that

5090
03:46:25,960 --> 03:46:26,630
 amendment

5091
03:46:26,630 --> 03:46:28,400
 to for the open site plan process,

5092
03:46:28,400 --> 03:46:32,050
 given that there hasn't been a design

5093
03:46:32,050 --> 03:46:37,620
 that the public can see.

5094
03:46:37,620 --> 03:46:41,100
 - Yep, if you want to, yep.

5095
03:46:41,100 --> 03:46:42,680
 - If I have a seconder.

5096
03:46:42,680 --> 03:47:00,800
 - Okay, well, the clerk is typing that up.

5097
03:47:00,800 --> 03:47:02,990
 The deputy mayor doesn't indicate he will second

5098
03:47:02,990 --> 03:47:05,240
 that.

5099
03:47:05,240 --> 03:47:09,250
 So it's, we'll wait until we get up and be sc

5100
03:47:09,250 --> 03:47:19,530
ribed.

5101
03:47:19,530 --> 03:47:22,880
 Just been informed by the clerk and procedure

5102
03:47:22,880 --> 03:47:24,200
 'cause it's your second time speaking,

5103
03:47:24,200 --> 03:47:26,730
 you can't make an amendment.

5104
03:47:26,730 --> 03:47:30,410
 So, Councilor Cuddy is going to make that

5105
03:47:30,410 --> 03:47:30,730
 amendment.

5106
03:47:30,730 --> 03:47:32,820
 - I'll make the amendment for Councilor Stevenson

5107
03:47:32,820 --> 03:47:32,920
.

5108
03:47:32,820 --> 03:47:38,950
 - Okay, and I'll go back to the Deputy Mayor.

5109
03:47:38,950 --> 03:47:41,420
 Oh yeah, you could, you know.

5110
03:47:41,420 --> 03:47:42,700
 - Yeah, I'm still fine in a second.

5111
03:47:42,700 --> 03:47:47,670
 - Okay, so we got motion moved by Councilor Cuddy

5112
03:47:47,670 --> 03:47:55,260
 and seconded by the Deputy Mayor Lewis.

5113
03:47:55,260 --> 03:47:58,030
 Okay, on the amendment, I'll look for any

5114
03:47:58,030 --> 03:47:59,890
 conversation.

5115
03:47:59,890 --> 03:48:03,780
 Oh, just second, please.

5116
03:48:03,780 --> 03:48:06,100
 Oh, staff wants to wait in here.

5117
03:48:06,100 --> 03:48:07,080
 Please go ahead.

5118
03:48:07,080 --> 03:48:08,080
 - Thank you, through the chair.

5119
03:48:08,080 --> 03:48:09,430
 Just wanted to clarify.

5120
03:48:09,430 --> 03:48:12,260
 Open site plan doesn't mean anything to us.

5121
03:48:12,260 --> 03:48:13,690
 We would need clear direction

5122
03:48:13,690 --> 03:48:16,140
 that it's a public site plan meeting.

5123
03:48:16,140 --> 03:48:18,070
 So that that's the language that we would need to

5124
03:48:18,070 --> 03:48:18,430
 use

5125
03:48:18,430 --> 03:48:19,260
 to give clear directions--

5126
03:48:19,260 --> 03:48:21,210
 - Can you suggest, can you give some wording

5127
03:48:21,210 --> 03:48:23,040
 to the clerk of what you need to see?

5128
03:48:23,040 --> 03:48:24,510
 - Staff have provided to the clerk already.

5129
03:48:24,510 --> 03:48:27,330
 the clerk has that wording. Okay, thank you for

5130
03:48:27,330 --> 03:48:30,250
 that. I'm going to wait until that's up on

5131
03:48:30,250 --> 03:48:33,800
 e-scribes so the mover and the seconder can see

5132
03:48:33,800 --> 03:49:46,070
 exactly what what's going on. Okay, so the

5133
03:49:46,070 --> 03:49:48,250
 clerk has advised me that that wording is now an

5134
03:49:48,250 --> 03:49:50,400
 e-scribe to the mover and the seconder want to

5135
03:49:50,400 --> 03:49:53,980
 review it and let me know that that is okay to

5136
03:49:53,980 --> 03:50:06,790
 proceed. The mover and the seconder are okay with

5137
03:50:06,790 --> 03:50:10,240
 that wording. So just on the amendment, any

5138
03:50:10,240 --> 03:50:15,650
 discussion? Seeing none, we'll call the vote.

5139
03:50:15,650 --> 03:50:37,380
 - Seeing the vote, the motion carries five to

5140
03:50:37,380 --> 03:50:38,450
 zero.

5141
03:50:38,450 --> 03:50:40,110
 - Okay, I'll go to the mover and the seconder

5142
03:50:40,110 --> 03:50:44,300
 of the main motion to see if they're okay to do

5143
03:50:44,300 --> 03:50:44,510
 it.

5144
03:50:44,510 --> 03:50:48,600
 As amended, Councillor Cudi has indicated.

5145
03:50:48,600 --> 03:50:49,510
 - Yes.

5146
03:50:49,510 --> 03:50:52,510
 - And the deputy mayor is okay too.

5147
03:50:52,510 --> 03:51:06,050
 Okay, Councillor Stevenson, do you still request

5148
03:51:06,050 --> 03:51:08,320
 separate votes on A and B?

5149
03:51:08,320 --> 03:51:10,440
 - Yes, I do, I'll be voting against A.

5150
03:51:10,440 --> 03:51:12,490
 - Thank you.

5151
03:51:12,490 --> 03:51:15,260
 Okay, we have a motion moved and seconded as

5152
03:51:15,260 --> 03:51:16,300
 amended.

5153
03:51:16,300 --> 03:51:19,800
 Look for any conversation before I call that vote

5154
03:51:19,800 --> 03:51:21,790
.

5155
03:51:21,790 --> 03:51:35,050
 - Seeing none, let's call that vote.

5156
03:51:35,050 --> 03:51:41,480
 - Just to be clear, this is A, we're doing first.

5157
03:51:41,480 --> 03:51:44,530
 - So you're voting on the motion as amended,

5158
03:51:44,530 --> 03:51:47,480
 so part C as amended currently,

5159
03:51:47,480 --> 03:51:51,820
 and then you'll vote on A separately, A and B

5160
03:51:51,820 --> 03:51:59,200
 separately.

5161
03:51:59,200 --> 03:52:01,570
 - Council, I just wanna make sure you voted

5162
03:52:01,570 --> 03:52:15,300
 the way you intended on that particular vote.

5163
03:52:15,300 --> 03:52:17,500
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries four to

5164
03:52:17,500 --> 03:52:24,670
 one.

5165
03:52:24,670 --> 03:52:46,880
 - Now we're voting on part A, call that vote.

5166
03:52:46,880 --> 03:52:48,990
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries three to

5167
03:52:48,990 --> 03:53:00,030
 two.

5168
03:53:00,030 --> 03:53:21,490
 now or open the vote on Part B.

5169
03:53:21,490 --> 03:53:29,390
 - So Stevenson, closing the vote,

5170
03:53:29,390 --> 03:53:32,550
 the motion carries five to zero.

5171
03:53:32,550 --> 03:53:34,170
 - Chair.

5172
03:53:34,170 --> 03:53:34,980
 - Yes.

5173
03:53:34,980 --> 03:53:35,790
 - Just wondering if, when this is done,

5174
03:53:35,790 --> 03:53:38,420
 if you could just explain the results to the

5175
03:53:38,420 --> 03:53:39,770
 gallery.

5176
03:53:39,770 --> 03:53:55,150
 - I'll have the clerk do that.

5177
03:53:55,150 --> 03:53:56,740
 - Through the chair.

5178
03:53:56,740 --> 03:54:01,110
 So as per the votes for this motion,

5179
03:54:01,110 --> 03:54:07,340
 Part A, past three to two,

5180
03:54:07,340 --> 03:54:11,170
 Part B, past five, nothing,

5181
03:54:11,170 --> 03:54:13,700
 and the amended Part C,

5182
03:54:13,700 --> 03:54:17,540
 which included the public site plan meeting

5183
03:54:17,540 --> 03:54:21,390
 passed four to one.

5184
03:54:21,390 --> 03:54:23,990
 - And I'll just give further clarification.

5185
03:54:23,990 --> 03:54:28,990
 Part A is the meat of it with the general idea

5186
03:54:28,990 --> 03:54:32,110
 of the rezoning.

5187
03:54:32,110 --> 03:54:36,320
 Part B was the special provisions that was upheld

5188
03:54:36,320 --> 03:54:38,110
 and then part C was the site plan approval

5189
03:54:38,110 --> 03:54:42,480
 which we amended to make a public thing.

5190
03:54:42,480 --> 03:54:44,750
 So, does that satisfy your councilor?

5191
03:54:44,750 --> 03:54:47,270
 it is just to clarify that the refusal

5192
03:54:47,270 --> 03:54:49,510
 of the special provisions was upheld.

5193
03:54:49,510 --> 03:54:52,200
 - Correct, yeah, the refusal, that's right.

5194
03:54:52,200 --> 03:55:06,750
 Okay, okay, thank you.

5195
03:55:06,750 --> 03:55:10,070
 Okay, we've been at this for over four hours.

5196
03:55:10,070 --> 03:55:12,840
 I'd like to look to committee to consider

5197
03:55:12,840 --> 03:55:15,940
 taking, you know, a 10-minute break.

5198
03:55:15,940 --> 03:55:16,840
 If I could say, I guess--

5199
03:55:16,840 --> 03:55:18,250
 - I'll move a 10-minute break.

5200
03:55:18,250 --> 03:55:21,160
 - Okay, can I get a seconder, please?

5201
03:55:21,160 --> 03:55:27,460
 Councilor Hillier has indicated second.

5202
03:55:27,460 --> 03:55:36,510
 Okay, we'll call that vote.

5203
03:55:36,510 --> 03:55:46,960
 Okay, whoops.

5204
03:55:46,960 --> 03:55:49,060
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries five to

5205
03:55:49,060 --> 03:55:49,700
 zero.

5206
03:55:49,700 --> 03:55:59,460
 - Okay, folks, we'll be back at 5.30.

5207
03:55:59,460 --> 04:09:35,630
 (laughing)

5208
04:09:35,630 --> 04:09:43,560
 Okay, thank you for indulging us in that break.

5209
04:09:43,560 --> 04:09:45,730
 Call this meeting back to order and we'll deal

5210
04:09:45,730 --> 04:09:46,710
 with 3.9.

5211
04:09:46,710 --> 04:09:50,620
 This is regarding 1945 High Park Road.

5212
04:09:50,620 --> 04:09:52,210
 So I'll call the vote on opening

5213
04:09:52,210 --> 04:10:11,960
 the public participation meeting.

5214
04:10:11,960 --> 04:10:17,220
 - Let's think about the motion carries 4-0.

5215
04:10:17,220 --> 04:10:18,700
 - Thank you, so I'll go to the applicant.

5216
04:10:18,700 --> 04:10:20,650
 The applicant would like to address the committee

5217
04:10:20,650 --> 04:10:20,750
.

5218
04:10:20,650 --> 04:10:22,030
 Please give us your name and you have five

5219
04:10:22,030 --> 04:10:24,930
 minutes.

5220
04:10:24,930 --> 04:10:27,270
 - Good afternoon.

5221
04:10:27,270 --> 04:10:29,140
 - Thank you, Chair, members of the committee and

5222
04:10:29,140 --> 04:10:29,590
 staff.

5223
04:10:29,590 --> 04:10:31,960
 Thank you for the opportunity to speak today.

5224
04:10:31,960 --> 04:10:33,310
 My name is Daniel Orlana,

5225
04:10:33,310 --> 04:10:35,070
 Senior Development Manager at Smart Center's REIT

5226
04:10:35,070 --> 04:10:35,170
,

5227
04:10:35,070 --> 04:10:38,770
 representing the property owners at 1945 Park

5228
04:10:38,770 --> 04:10:39,450
 Road.

5229
04:10:39,450 --> 04:10:41,700
 We are pleased to bring forward this proposal

5230
04:10:41,700 --> 04:10:43,160
 and excited about the opportunity to redevelop

5231
04:10:43,160 --> 04:10:44,030
 the site

5232
04:10:44,030 --> 04:10:46,180
 as it has remained vacant for a considerable

5233
04:10:46,180 --> 04:10:47,520
 period of time.

5234
04:10:47,520 --> 04:10:49,080
 We believe this new retail represents an

5235
04:10:49,080 --> 04:10:49,550
 appropriate

5236
04:10:49,550 --> 04:10:53,190
 and positive addition to Hyde Park community.

5237
04:10:53,190 --> 04:10:55,680
 The proposed development anchored by a shop for

5238
04:10:55,680 --> 04:10:56,210
 drug mart

5239
04:10:56,210 --> 04:10:58,180
 and complimented by additional high quality

5240
04:10:58,180 --> 04:10:59,430
 retail

5241
04:10:59,430 --> 04:11:01,440
 will provide convenient services,

5242
04:11:01,440 --> 04:11:05,260
 food and other for the local residents

5243
04:11:05,260 --> 04:11:07,850
 while enhancing the existing commercial area.

5244
04:11:07,850 --> 04:11:10,130
 We appreciate staff's recommendation for approval

5245
04:11:10,130 --> 04:11:12,080
 and I believe the proposal is consistent

5246
04:11:12,080 --> 04:11:13,240
 with the city's planning framework

5247
04:11:13,240 --> 04:11:15,310
 and surrounding commercial context.

5248
04:11:15,310 --> 04:11:17,410
 Thank you for your time and happy to answer

5249
04:11:17,410 --> 04:11:18,790
 any questions you may have.

5250
04:11:18,790 --> 04:11:20,670
 - Thank you, I'll look for any members of the

5251
04:11:20,670 --> 04:11:20,940
 public

5252
04:11:20,940 --> 04:11:24,590
 would like to address the committee on this item.

5253
04:11:24,590 --> 04:11:28,610
 I'll ask to clerk if there's anyone online.

5254
04:11:28,610 --> 04:11:29,880
 There is nobody online.

5255
04:11:29,880 --> 04:11:33,270
 I don't see anyone coming to the microphones.

5256
04:11:33,270 --> 04:11:47,410
 So I'll call a vote to close the PPM.

5257
04:11:47,410 --> 04:11:49,290
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries four to

5258
04:11:49,290 --> 04:11:49,880
 zero.

5259
04:11:49,880 --> 04:12:00,140
 - Okay, I'll put this on the floor for committee.

5260
04:12:00,140 --> 04:12:02,710
 Councillor Stevenson, will you be willing

5261
04:12:02,710 --> 04:12:04,630
 to move the staff recommendation?

5262
04:12:04,630 --> 04:12:06,510
 Thank you, I'll look for a seconder.

5263
04:12:06,510 --> 04:12:11,620
 Councillor Cudi, vote for conversation on this.

5264
04:12:11,620 --> 04:12:12,930
 Councillor ramen.

5265
04:12:12,930 --> 04:12:15,760
 - Very briefly, just wanted to say I'm supportive

5266
04:12:15,760 --> 04:12:17,950
 of what's proposed with the Shop Restartments

5267
04:12:17,950 --> 04:12:19,500
 Commercial Plaza.

5268
04:12:19,500 --> 04:12:22,820
 I understand that they will be using the sanitary

5269
04:12:22,820 --> 04:12:23,400
 on site

5270
04:12:23,400 --> 04:12:26,700
 so that there's no issue with the concern

5271
04:12:26,700 --> 04:12:29,130
 around lack of sanitary in the area

5272
04:12:29,130 --> 04:12:30,880
 and the storm water management upgrades

5273
04:12:30,880 --> 04:12:32,190
 that are being made in the area.

5274
04:12:32,190 --> 04:12:32,960
 Thank you.

5275
04:12:32,960 --> 04:12:33,910
 - Thank you.

5276
04:12:33,910 --> 04:12:38,500
 Any further comments or questions?

5277
04:12:38,500 --> 04:12:39,630
 We have a motion moved in second.

5278
04:12:39,630 --> 04:12:49,450
 I'll call the vote.

5279
04:12:49,450 --> 04:12:50,260
 - I'm saying the vote.

5280
04:12:50,260 --> 04:12:52,220
 The motion carries four to zero.

5281
04:12:52,220 --> 04:12:53,670
 - Okay, moving on to 3.10.

5282
04:12:53,670 --> 04:12:58,260
 This is regarding 517 and 525 Fanshop Road East

5283
04:12:58,260 --> 04:13:01,700
 and 1536 Geary Avenue.

5284
04:13:01,700 --> 04:13:03,830
 I'll call the vote.

5285
04:13:03,830 --> 04:13:18,450
 I don't think the public participation meeting.

5286
04:13:18,450 --> 04:13:20,450
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries four to

5287
04:13:20,450 --> 04:13:21,800
 zero.

5288
04:13:21,800 --> 04:13:23,810
 - Okay, I'll go to the applicant.

5289
04:13:23,810 --> 04:13:26,110
 Please give us your name, you have five minutes.

5290
04:13:26,110 --> 04:13:28,240
 - Okay, Mr. Chair, Mike Davis with Civic Planning

5291
04:13:28,240 --> 04:13:30,570
 and Design here on behalf of our client,

5292
04:13:30,570 --> 04:13:32,510
 Royal Premier Homes.

5293
04:13:32,510 --> 04:13:35,060
 I'll start off by saying,

5294
04:13:35,060 --> 04:13:38,590
 Royal Premier Homes is a London company.

5295
04:13:38,590 --> 04:13:40,790
 They're a family business and they are extremely

5296
04:13:40,790 --> 04:13:41,110
 proud

5297
04:13:41,110 --> 04:13:44,000
 of the work they do here, helping to build the

5298
04:13:44,000 --> 04:13:44,790
 city.

5299
04:13:44,790 --> 04:13:47,250
 They have a growing pipeline of infill,

5300
04:13:47,250 --> 04:13:49,660
 multi-residential projects.

5301
04:13:49,660 --> 04:13:51,440
 This block being one of them.

5302
04:13:51,440 --> 04:13:54,160
 And I think with each project that they bring

5303
04:13:54,160 --> 04:13:54,540
 forward,

5304
04:13:54,540 --> 04:13:56,710
 they understand that these projects

5305
04:13:56,710 --> 04:13:59,650
 are going to leave a lasting, hopefully,

5306
04:13:59,650 --> 04:14:01,480
 positive impact in the community.

5307
04:14:01,480 --> 04:14:04,020
 They take that responsibility seriously.

5308
04:14:04,020 --> 04:14:05,870
 At the same time, we understand there's

5309
04:14:05,870 --> 04:14:10,430
 been significant public interest in this file,

5310
04:14:10,430 --> 04:14:15,510
 in particular, in terms of our work with planning

5311
04:14:15,510 --> 04:14:15,830
 staff.

5312
04:14:15,830 --> 04:14:18,700
 Obviously, as committee is aware,

5313
04:14:18,700 --> 04:14:22,940
 they are mandated to bring these applications

5314
04:14:22,940 --> 04:14:23,650
 forward

5315
04:14:23,650 --> 04:14:26,690
 to you quite quickly in 90 days.

5316
04:14:26,690 --> 04:14:29,580
 We're on a boat day 71 right now.

5317
04:14:29,580 --> 04:14:32,830
 Within that timeframe, they have circulation

5318
04:14:32,830 --> 04:14:33,380
 timelines

5319
04:14:33,380 --> 04:14:36,690
 and deadlines, they have report deadlines.

5320
04:14:36,690 --> 04:14:41,440
 And so the actual time available for

5321
04:14:41,440 --> 04:14:41,940
 collaboration

5322
04:14:41,940 --> 04:14:45,540
 and dialogue with staff is limited through that

5323
04:14:45,540 --> 04:14:45,970
 process.

5324
04:14:45,970 --> 04:14:50,970
 We did, the applicant did submit a revised plan

5325
04:14:50,970 --> 04:14:52,790
 upon hearing from staff through the process,

5326
04:14:52,790 --> 04:14:55,280
 which we believe contains significant revisions,

5327
04:14:55,280 --> 04:14:58,280
 but in terms of further revisions,

5328
04:14:58,280 --> 04:15:00,990
 we essentially kind of ran out of time,

5329
04:15:00,990 --> 04:15:03,780
 which is where we stand here today.

5330
04:15:03,780 --> 04:15:06,810
 What I do want to point out is that

5331
04:15:06,810 --> 04:15:08,930
 Royal Premier Holmes has made a written

5332
04:15:08,930 --> 04:15:09,430
 submission

5333
04:15:09,430 --> 04:15:10,970
 which they've included on the agenda.

5334
04:15:10,970 --> 04:15:14,620
 They're given the amount of comments

5335
04:15:14,620 --> 04:15:16,000
 and dialogue in the application.

5336
04:15:16,000 --> 04:15:19,650
 There were some points that they felt proper

5337
04:15:19,650 --> 04:15:22,490
 just to clarify for the committee's benefit

5338
04:15:22,490 --> 04:15:24,470
 of committee's consideration this evening.

5339
04:15:24,470 --> 04:15:29,820
 Lastly, I think we want to kind of emphasize

5340
04:15:29,820 --> 04:15:33,590
 that we respect all the time that's been put in

5341
04:15:33,590 --> 04:15:35,700
 by neighbors, by members of the committee

5342
04:15:35,700 --> 04:15:37,300
 into the review of this application.

5343
04:15:37,300 --> 04:15:40,160
 We know it's been a challenge

5344
04:15:40,160 --> 04:15:41,920
 and we respect the efforts of staff

5345
04:15:41,920 --> 04:15:45,420
 to get this brought forward before this committee

5346
04:15:45,420 --> 04:15:45,520
.

5347
04:15:45,420 --> 04:15:47,410
 Primarily we're here this evening

5348
04:15:47,410 --> 04:15:49,920
 to listen to the perspectives that are being

5349
04:15:49,920 --> 04:15:50,200
 shared

5350
04:15:50,200 --> 04:15:53,790
 and so we can better understand those

5351
04:15:53,790 --> 04:15:55,980
 for moving forward with the project.

5352
04:15:55,980 --> 04:15:57,220
 Thank you.

5353
04:15:57,220 --> 04:15:58,040
 - Thank you.

5354
04:15:58,040 --> 04:15:59,250
 I'll go to members of the public,

5355
04:15:59,250 --> 04:16:01,040
 like to address the committee.

5356
04:16:01,040 --> 04:16:02,580
 Please give us your name and you have five

5357
04:16:02,580 --> 04:16:04,240
 minutes.

5358
04:16:04,240 --> 04:16:05,660
 - Good evening, thank you for your time.

5359
04:16:05,660 --> 04:16:06,720
 I know this has been a long day

5360
04:16:06,720 --> 04:16:08,280
 and we appreciate your attention

5361
04:16:08,280 --> 04:16:11,570
 to this matter currently on deck.

5362
04:16:11,570 --> 04:16:13,270
 Sorry, I'm not that loud.

5363
04:16:13,270 --> 04:16:14,680
 My name is Kate Kaconan,

5364
04:16:14,680 --> 04:16:15,940
 and I'm a founding member

5365
04:16:15,940 --> 04:16:18,240
 of Stony Brook for Community First Development.

5366
04:16:18,240 --> 04:16:20,010
 I'm here today to support the staff

5367
04:16:20,010 --> 04:16:20,670
 recommendation

5368
04:16:20,670 --> 04:16:23,940
 to refuse the zoning bylaw amendment before you

5369
04:16:23,940 --> 04:16:26,650
 for 517 to 525 Fanshawe Park Road East

5370
04:16:26,650 --> 04:16:28,520
 and 1536 Geary App.

5371
04:16:28,520 --> 04:16:31,190
 Originally, I intended to begin by recognizing

5372
04:16:31,190 --> 04:16:33,420
 the remarkable efforts of our community,

5373
04:16:33,420 --> 04:16:34,970
 thanking Councilors for their engagement

5374
04:16:34,970 --> 04:16:37,360
 and summarizing the concerns you will hear today

5375
04:16:37,360 --> 04:16:40,070
 regarding height, density, traffic, tree loss,

5376
04:16:40,070 --> 04:16:41,990
 neighborhood compatibility,

5377
04:16:41,990 --> 04:16:43,750
 and many other significant impacts.

5378
04:16:43,750 --> 04:16:45,950
 Instead, I feel compelled to begin

5379
04:16:45,950 --> 04:16:48,450
 with a concern about the integrity of this

5380
04:16:48,450 --> 04:16:49,220
 process.

5381
04:16:49,220 --> 04:16:51,570
 Late yesterday afternoon, I was informed by

5382
04:16:51,570 --> 04:16:54,000
 Ward Councilor Pribble that Royal Premier Holmes

5383
04:16:54,000 --> 04:16:56,400
 had submitted an additional letter for inclusion

5384
04:16:56,400 --> 04:16:57,790
 in today's agenda.

5385
04:16:57,790 --> 04:16:59,350
 Residents were not notified,

5386
04:16:59,350 --> 04:17:00,980
 our community group was not informed,

5387
04:17:00,980 --> 04:17:02,740
 and the public was given no meaningful

5388
04:17:02,740 --> 04:17:03,370
 opportunity

5389
04:17:03,370 --> 04:17:05,530
 to review or respond to its contents.

5390
04:17:05,530 --> 04:17:07,120
 This is particularly troubling,

5391
04:17:07,120 --> 04:17:09,430
 giving the extraordinary level of public

5392
04:17:09,430 --> 04:17:09,930
 engagement

5393
04:17:09,930 --> 04:17:11,630
 surrounding this application.

5394
04:17:11,630 --> 04:17:14,660
 Residents have participated in good faith for

5395
04:17:14,660 --> 04:17:15,740
 months.

5396
04:17:15,740 --> 04:17:17,480
 From our group, this proposal has been the

5397
04:17:17,480 --> 04:17:17,830
 subject

5398
04:17:17,830 --> 04:17:19,850
 of two London Progress articles, an interview

5399
04:17:19,850 --> 04:17:20,750
 with CBC,

5400
04:17:20,750 --> 04:17:22,730
 two segments on 980 CFPL.

5401
04:17:22,730 --> 04:17:25,020
 Our community has built two Facebook platforms

5402
04:17:25,020 --> 04:17:27,540
 with a combined following of more than 500

5403
04:17:27,540 --> 04:17:28,050
 residents

5404
04:17:28,050 --> 04:17:30,650
 and supporters, generating thousands of views

5405
04:17:30,650 --> 04:17:31,860
 and interactions.

5406
04:17:31,860 --> 04:17:33,870
 We have gathered more than 700 petition

5407
04:17:33,870 --> 04:17:34,410
 signatures

5408
04:17:34,410 --> 04:17:37,300
 and generated over 240 e-mails to city staff

5409
04:17:37,300 --> 04:17:38,840
 and elected officials.

5410
04:17:38,840 --> 04:17:42,200
 Anything less than this level of public

5411
04:17:42,200 --> 04:17:43,630
 participation

5412
04:17:43,630 --> 04:17:47,210
 is a blanket attempt to circumnavigate the public

5413
04:17:47,210 --> 04:17:48,200
 involvement.

5414
04:17:48,200 --> 04:17:50,320
 Row Premier Holmes states in their letter, and I

5415
04:17:50,320 --> 04:17:50,820
 quote,

5416
04:17:50,820 --> 04:17:53,290
 "The revised proposal reflects substantial

5417
04:17:53,290 --> 04:17:54,400
 changes made

5418
04:17:54,400 --> 04:17:56,600
 in direct response to staff and community

5419
04:17:56,600 --> 04:17:57,210
 feedback.

5420
04:17:57,210 --> 04:17:59,350
 If the changes are indeed substantial,

5421
04:17:59,350 --> 04:18:01,890
 then they warrant a new zoning by-law amended

5422
04:18:01,890 --> 04:18:02,920
 application,

5423
04:18:02,920 --> 04:18:05,060
 complete with updated supporting studies

5424
04:18:05,060 --> 04:18:08,260
 and a renewed public consultation process.

5425
04:18:08,260 --> 04:18:10,440
 The public should have the same opportunity

5426
04:18:10,440 --> 04:18:13,440
 to review and comment on a substantially revised

5427
04:18:13,440 --> 04:18:14,110
 proposal

5428
04:18:14,110 --> 04:18:17,160
 as it did on the original application.

5429
04:18:17,160 --> 04:18:19,100
 I therefore respectfully ask that members of

5430
04:18:19,100 --> 04:18:19,410
 council

5431
04:18:19,410 --> 04:18:21,680
 give no weight to any new arguments or

5432
04:18:21,680 --> 04:18:22,220
 information

5433
04:18:22,220 --> 04:18:24,160
 contained in this late submission.

5434
04:18:24,160 --> 04:18:26,170
 Residents came here today prepared to address

5435
04:18:26,170 --> 04:18:29,390
 the application that was publicly presented to

5436
04:18:29,390 --> 04:18:29,740
 them.

5437
04:18:29,740 --> 04:18:32,160
 Not material introduced at the 11th hour

5438
04:18:32,160 --> 04:18:34,210
 without any opportunity for meaningful public

5439
04:18:34,210 --> 04:18:34,580
 reviewer

5440
04:18:34,580 --> 04:18:35,660
 response.

5441
04:18:35,660 --> 04:18:37,880
 I also respectfully request that no time today

5442
04:18:37,880 --> 04:18:40,020
 is spent debating the contents of this letter

5443
04:18:40,020 --> 04:18:43,050
 beyond acknowledging its existence, which I have

5444
04:18:43,050 --> 04:18:44,140
 now done.

5445
04:18:44,140 --> 04:18:45,970
 Instead, I ask that council focus on the

5446
04:18:45,970 --> 04:18:47,460
 application before them

5447
04:18:47,460 --> 04:18:49,440
 and on the thoughtful and formed and evidence-

5448
04:18:49,440 --> 04:18:50,190
based concerns

5449
04:18:50,190 --> 04:18:52,320
 that residents have spent months preparing to

5450
04:18:52,320 --> 04:18:53,690
 present.

5451
04:18:53,690 --> 04:18:56,230
 Council's decision today extends beyond a single

5452
04:18:56,230 --> 04:18:57,130
 application,

5453
04:18:57,130 --> 04:18:59,020
 especially when it comes to the zoning amendments

5454
04:18:59,020 --> 04:19:01,810
 and the zoning request being submitted.

5455
04:19:01,810 --> 04:19:03,640
 In conclusion, while I understand that the

5456
04:19:03,640 --> 04:19:04,390
 recommendation

5457
04:19:04,390 --> 04:19:06,480
 by staff is for refusal and we trust

5458
04:19:06,480 --> 04:19:09,500
 that council will agree, we are still taking the

5459
04:19:09,500 --> 04:19:10,170
 time today

5460
04:19:10,170 --> 04:19:12,970
 to share our comments and our concerns.

5461
04:19:12,970 --> 04:19:16,350
 As we know, development will take place

5462
04:19:16,350 --> 04:19:18,260
 along Fanshawe Park Road.

5463
04:19:18,260 --> 04:19:19,850
 That is not up for debate.

5464
04:19:19,850 --> 04:19:22,350
 Development will happen and at no point in this

5465
04:19:22,350 --> 04:19:22,990
 process

5466
04:19:22,990 --> 04:19:24,970
 has this community group said we don't want

5467
04:19:24,970 --> 04:19:25,690
 development.

5468
04:19:25,690 --> 04:19:27,480
 We have just said we want development

5469
04:19:27,480 --> 04:19:29,760
 that works for the neighborhood.

5470
04:19:29,760 --> 04:19:32,820
 So we would like this opportunity

5471
04:19:32,820 --> 04:19:34,850
 to still engage with council

5472
04:19:34,850 --> 04:19:36,850
 in the hopes of guiding future development

5473
04:19:36,850 --> 04:19:37,400
 proposals

5474
04:19:37,400 --> 04:19:39,390
 and we thank you for your time and thoughtful

5475
04:19:39,390 --> 04:19:40,520
 consideration.

5476
04:19:40,520 --> 04:19:48,000
 - Thank you, I'll look for the next speaker.

5477
04:19:48,000 --> 04:19:51,170
 Please give us your name in five minutes.

5478
04:19:51,170 --> 04:19:52,960
 - Hello, my name is Tammy Pollinik

5479
04:19:52,960 --> 04:19:54,890
 and I am a resident of Stony Brook.

5480
04:19:54,890 --> 04:19:56,080
 I am the other founding member

5481
04:19:56,080 --> 04:19:58,170
 of Stony Brook for community first development

5482
04:19:58,170 --> 04:19:59,560
 and have been working to challenge this

5483
04:19:59,560 --> 04:20:00,150
 development

5484
04:20:00,150 --> 04:20:03,430
 since January 15th, 2026.

5485
04:20:03,430 --> 04:20:05,740
 I'm speaking to you today with the expectation

5486
04:20:05,740 --> 04:20:07,430
 that the committee members will follow staff's

5487
04:20:07,430 --> 04:20:08,470
 recommendation

5488
04:20:08,470 --> 04:20:10,400
 and refuse the proposed development by rural

5489
04:20:10,400 --> 04:20:12,300
 premier homes.

5490
04:20:12,300 --> 04:20:13,520
 I want to start by thanking the mayor

5491
04:20:13,520 --> 04:20:15,260
 and all the councillors who came out to Stony

5492
04:20:15,260 --> 04:20:15,570
 Brook

5493
04:20:15,570 --> 04:20:17,700
 to see how the true scale of this proposed

5494
04:20:17,700 --> 04:20:18,690
 development

5495
04:20:18,690 --> 04:20:21,350
 would actually affect our neighborhood.

5496
04:20:21,350 --> 04:20:23,470
 Our community pushed hard to understand the

5497
04:20:23,470 --> 04:20:24,190
 proposal

5498
04:20:24,190 --> 04:20:27,750
 at 517 to 525 Fanshawe Park Road

5499
04:20:27,750 --> 04:20:29,910
 and 1536 Geary Avenue.

5500
04:20:29,910 --> 04:20:32,080
 We spent many months reviewing zoning bylaws,

5501
04:20:32,080 --> 04:20:34,640
 the London Plan, the Provincial Planning

5502
04:20:34,640 --> 04:20:35,090
 Statement

5503
04:20:35,090 --> 04:20:38,530
 and the Planning Application Submitted by Civic.

5504
04:20:38,530 --> 04:20:40,550
 All of the concerns were raised.

5505
04:20:40,550 --> 04:20:42,690
 All of the concerns we raised about the over-int

5506
04:20:42,690 --> 04:20:43,520
ensification

5507
04:20:43,520 --> 04:20:46,200
 of this project were validated by city staff

5508
04:20:46,200 --> 04:20:47,960
 in the report to the Planning and Environment

5509
04:20:47,960 --> 04:20:49,330
 Committee.

5510
04:20:49,330 --> 04:20:51,710
 One major concern I have, which is a direct

5511
04:20:51,710 --> 04:20:52,120
 result

5512
04:20:52,120 --> 04:20:54,950
 of the exemplary community engagement of our

5513
04:20:54,950 --> 04:20:55,330
 group

5514
04:20:55,330 --> 04:20:57,320
 has demonstrated, is the backlash that we are

5515
04:20:57,320 --> 04:20:57,910
 getting

5516
04:20:57,910 --> 04:21:00,070
 for pushing back against this over-intensified

5517
04:21:00,070 --> 04:21:01,490
 development.

5518
04:21:01,490 --> 04:21:04,230
 The residents pushing back are not the problem.

5519
04:21:04,230 --> 04:21:06,270
 It's the developers like Royal Premier Homes

5520
04:21:06,270 --> 04:21:08,750
 and design firms like Civic who should be getting

5521
04:21:08,750 --> 04:21:10,050
 reprimanded.

5522
04:21:10,050 --> 04:21:11,860
 They are the ones who are blatantly ignoring

5523
04:21:11,860 --> 04:21:15,540
 zoning limits, abusing special provision requests

5524
04:21:15,540 --> 04:21:16,250
, and who have no

5525
04:21:16,250 --> 04:21:18,450
 sliver of respect for established neighborhoods,

5526
04:21:18,450 --> 04:21:19,710
 they are trying to push

5527
04:21:19,710 --> 04:21:22,120
 through developments that are incomplete, not

5528
04:21:22,120 --> 04:21:24,020
 thought through, are poorly designed

5529
04:21:24,020 --> 04:21:26,610
 and have adverse and irreversible impacts on

5530
04:21:26,610 --> 04:21:29,280
 neighborhoods. Every section of the

5531
04:21:29,280 --> 04:21:32,470
 staff report verifies this, and I'll now read

5532
04:21:32,470 --> 04:21:34,330
 direct quotes from it as they

5533
04:21:34,330 --> 04:21:37,590
 relate to this application. And I quote, "The

5534
04:21:37,590 --> 04:21:39,540
 proposed scale and intensity of the

5535
04:21:39,540 --> 04:21:42,440
 development are considered to exceed what is

5536
04:21:42,440 --> 04:21:43,620
 appropriate for the site and

5537
04:21:43,620 --> 04:21:47,010
 represents over intensification. The proposal

5538
04:21:47,010 --> 04:21:48,500
 does not represent a well-designed

5539
04:21:48,500 --> 04:21:50,870
 built form that is a good fit within and

5540
04:21:50,870 --> 04:21:53,060
 compatible with its surrounding

5541
04:21:53,060 --> 04:21:55,530
 context, nor does it support a positive

5542
04:21:55,530 --> 04:22:01,120
 pedestrian environment. The built form and

5543
04:22:01,120 --> 04:22:03,390
 site layout do not effectively respond to the

5544
04:22:03,390 --> 04:22:05,370
 surrounding context or existing

5545
04:22:05,370 --> 04:22:07,220
 neighborhood character, nor has it been

5546
04:22:07,220 --> 04:22:09,180
 appropriately designed to minimize and

5547
04:22:09,180 --> 04:22:11,780
 mitigate potential adverse impacts on the abut

5548
04:22:11,780 --> 04:22:15,250
ting nearby properties. The

5549
04:22:15,250 --> 04:22:17,330
 The building has not been sufficiently oriented

5550
04:22:17,330 --> 04:22:19,430
 towards the higher order street to minimize

5551
04:22:19,430 --> 04:22:21,690
 impacts on the lower order street and the

5552
04:22:21,690 --> 04:22:24,500
 proposal has not adequately demonstrated that

5553
04:22:24,500 --> 04:22:27,020
 the proposed intensification is sensitive to

5554
04:22:27,020 --> 04:22:29,770
 compatible with or appropriately integrated

5555
04:22:29,770 --> 04:22:32,200
 within the existing and planned neighborhood

5556
04:22:32,200 --> 04:22:33,370
 context.

5557
04:22:33,370 --> 04:22:35,190
 The scale and intensity of the proposed

5558
04:22:35,190 --> 04:22:37,490
 development is excessive and represents over

5559
04:22:37,490 --> 04:22:38,380
 intensification

5560
04:22:38,380 --> 04:22:41,670
 of the subject lands.

5561
04:22:41,670 --> 04:22:43,620
 Development also represents a substantial

5562
04:22:43,620 --> 04:22:46,440
 departure from the intended scale and approach

5563
04:22:46,440 --> 04:22:48,930
 to modest height increases envisioned across the

5564
04:22:48,930 --> 04:22:51,380
 city, including within established neighbourhoods

5565
04:22:51,380 --> 04:22:51,520
.

5566
04:22:51,520 --> 04:22:54,510
 The application has not adequately demonstrated

5567
04:22:54,510 --> 04:22:56,260
 that the subject lands can appropriately

5568
04:22:56,260 --> 04:22:57,210
 accommodate

5569
04:22:57,210 --> 04:22:59,450
 the proposed scale and intensity of development

5570
04:22:59,450 --> 04:23:01,820
 while maintaining compatibility with the

5571
04:23:01,820 --> 04:23:02,210
 surrounding

5572
04:23:02,210 --> 04:23:04,620
 neighbourhood and protecting the abutting low

5573
04:23:04,620 --> 04:23:07,900
 density residential uses. The proposed intensity

5574
04:23:07,900 --> 04:23:08,050
 of

5575
04:23:08,050 --> 04:23:10,420
 development is not appropriate for the size and

5576
04:23:10,420 --> 04:23:13,200
 configuration of the site. And lastly,

5577
04:23:13,200 --> 04:23:15,550
 The proposal is not in the public interest and

5578
04:23:15,550 --> 04:23:18,200
 does not represent good planning," end of quotes.

5579
04:23:18,200 --> 04:23:21,870
 And I want to reiterate, those are all verbatim

5580
04:23:21,870 --> 04:23:24,310
 taken straight from the City Planning Report.

5581
04:23:24,310 --> 04:23:27,990
 Once again, staff have recommended refusal, not

5582
04:23:27,990 --> 04:23:30,860
 referral, and not another redesign, refusal.

5583
04:23:30,860 --> 04:23:33,370
 We all understand that development is going to

5584
04:23:33,370 --> 04:23:34,120
 happen at the site,

5585
04:23:34,120 --> 04:23:37,040
 but a developer's economic viability is not a

5586
04:23:37,040 --> 04:23:39,800
 justification for maximization and over-intens

5587
04:23:39,800 --> 04:23:40,550
ification.

5588
04:23:40,550 --> 04:23:44,050
 So I want to end by asking you this, is it really

5589
04:23:44,050 --> 04:23:45,470
 the residents pushing back

5590
04:23:45,470 --> 04:23:47,590
 who are the ones stalling import development in

5591
04:23:47,590 --> 04:23:50,750
 the city. Thank you. Thank you. I'll look

5592
04:23:50,750 --> 04:23:54,830
 for the next speaker. Please sir, give us your

5593
04:23:54,830 --> 04:23:57,470
 name. You have five minutes. Thank you very much.

5594
04:23:57,470 --> 04:24:00,790
 My name is Tarik Khan. I think I should say good

5595
04:24:00,790 --> 04:24:05,460
 evening, right? So I'm a resident of

5596
04:24:05,460 --> 04:24:11,220
 Stony Brook Press. Chair, can I say thanks to my

5597
04:24:11,220 --> 04:24:16,140
 neighbors, my friends, who have been submitting

5598
04:24:16,140 --> 04:24:20,750
 over 200 petitions so far. And there is a

5599
04:24:20,750 --> 04:24:23,550
 collective petition we submitted. It was

5600
04:24:23,550 --> 04:24:30,310
 it carried over 700 signatures. And I also want

5601
04:24:30,310 --> 04:24:33,600
 to say my special thanks to our core team.

5602
04:24:33,600 --> 04:24:37,810
 Frankly, they were working very hard during last

5603
04:24:37,810 --> 04:24:42,950
 over 100 days. Whether it was a cold or it was

5604
04:24:42,950 --> 04:24:47,170
 a warm, it was sun or it was rain. They were out

5605
04:24:47,170 --> 04:24:51,310
 knocking at the doors, talking with people,

5606
04:24:51,310 --> 04:24:56,250
 raising awareness, sending emails, engaging media

5607
04:24:56,250 --> 04:24:56,430
,

5608
04:24:56,430 --> 04:25:00,420
 talking to the radio, and inviting counselors.

5609
04:25:00,420 --> 04:25:03,150
 And thank you very much.

5610
04:25:03,150 --> 04:25:07,890
 And PC members, let me tell you, your job is not

5611
04:25:07,890 --> 04:25:09,180
 easy.

5612
04:25:09,180 --> 04:25:11,020
 You know what?

5613
04:25:11,020 --> 04:25:15,660
 It is something like a walking on a tightrope

5614
04:25:15,660 --> 04:25:17,450
 without any balance.

5615
04:25:17,450 --> 04:25:21,450
 Most of the time, it is so difficult to come up

5616
04:25:21,450 --> 04:25:24,720
 to the expectations of the residents

5617
04:25:24,720 --> 04:25:27,420
 because of many reasons.

5618
04:25:27,420 --> 04:25:33,080
 During my service life, I was in the staff shoes.

5619
04:25:33,080 --> 04:25:38,910
 post retirement, I got the opportunity privilege

5620
04:25:38,910 --> 04:25:42,200
 to sit on the other side of the table. So I can

5621
04:25:42,200 --> 04:25:46,230
 fully understand the complexities, the challenges

5622
04:25:46,230 --> 04:25:50,390
, the problem when you deal with such a proposal.

5623
04:25:50,390 --> 04:25:55,380
 I have examined the proposal and from my

5624
04:25:55,380 --> 04:25:57,810
 background in local government systems

5625
04:25:57,810 --> 04:26:04,240
 and the town planning, I can very easily say that

5626
04:26:04,240 --> 04:26:09,320
 this proposal has so much technical flaws

5627
04:26:09,320 --> 04:26:12,480
 that even if I start writing it will take me like

5628
04:26:12,480 --> 04:26:13,870
 two days.

5629
04:26:13,870 --> 04:26:20,370
 This proposal or this application is a typical

5630
04:26:20,370 --> 04:26:25,010
 example of misinterpretation,

5631
04:26:25,010 --> 04:26:30,410
 misreading and miscoting of London's official

5632
04:26:30,410 --> 04:26:33,030
 plan. We call London plan

5633
04:26:33,030 --> 04:26:42,500
 and the provincial policy statement 2024. If I go

5634
04:26:42,500 --> 04:26:44,360
 further into details

5635
04:26:44,360 --> 04:26:47,190
 and I don't want to because my other speakers

5636
04:26:47,190 --> 04:26:48,800
 will speak on those.

5637
04:26:48,800 --> 04:26:54,600
 I have my fellow residents, my fellow friends,

5638
04:26:54,600 --> 04:26:59,560
 they have already submitted over 200 petitions

5639
04:26:59,560 --> 04:27:04,290
 and the points and the objections or the

5640
04:27:04,290 --> 04:27:07,610
 recommendations or the concern, they have

5641
04:27:07,610 --> 04:27:08,620
 mentioned in their

5642
04:27:08,620 --> 04:27:14,920
 proposals, I am 100% in agreement with them. And

5643
04:27:14,920 --> 04:27:19,360
 then I'm also 100% agree with our staff,

5644
04:27:19,360 --> 04:27:27,830
 who have very clearly mentioned in their five

5645
04:27:27,830 --> 04:27:31,020
 recommendations that this proposal

5646
04:27:31,020 --> 04:27:40,300
 supposed to be refused. All right, go side track

5647
04:27:40,300 --> 04:27:51,910
 because there is a time limit. I've wasted 10

5648
04:27:51,910 --> 04:27:55,170
 seconds, right? So PC members, I'm coming

5649
04:27:55,170 --> 04:28:00,230
 directly to you now. Being elected members,

5650
04:28:00,230 --> 04:28:04,990
 you are the custodians of the city. You are the

5651
04:28:04,990 --> 04:28:10,090
 city fathers. Whatever the scene you take today,

5652
04:28:10,090 --> 04:28:15,920
 It is going to impact London forever and our

5653
04:28:15,920 --> 04:28:18,920
 future generation forever.

5654
04:28:18,920 --> 04:28:27,000
 Please stand by, stand behind the staff and your

5655
04:28:27,000 --> 04:28:27,810
 taxpayers.

5656
04:28:27,810 --> 04:28:30,690
 30 seconds.

5657
04:28:30,690 --> 04:28:36,210
 Finally, I would like to thank Councillors Purine

5658
04:28:36,210 --> 04:28:36,600
 Raman,

5659
04:28:36,600 --> 04:28:38,840
 Councillor Sam, Councillor Jerry, Councillor

5660
04:28:38,840 --> 04:28:39,260
 Stephen,

5661
04:28:39,260 --> 04:28:43,170
 Councillor Cuddy, Councillor Steve Lehman and

5662
04:28:43,170 --> 04:28:45,480
 finally Mayor Josh Morgan

5663
04:28:45,480 --> 04:28:49,840
 for spending his time, visiting us, listening us

5664
04:28:49,840 --> 04:28:51,070
 and giving us our hope.

5665
04:28:51,070 --> 04:28:55,300
 Thank you very much. Thank you. Before I go to

5666
04:28:55,300 --> 04:29:11,760
 the next speaker, just hold on. Okay, it looks

5667
04:29:11,760 --> 04:29:11,990
 like

5668
04:29:11,990 --> 04:29:14,050
 we're going to extend past six o'clock. That's

5669
04:29:14,050 --> 04:29:16,510
 why I need someone to move. Councillor Cutty,

5670
04:29:16,510 --> 04:29:20,070
 you're moving that we go past six. I'll move. And

5671
04:29:20,070 --> 04:29:22,240
 Councillor Stevenson, you're seconding, so we'll

5672
04:29:22,240 --> 04:29:49,110
 call that vote. Deputy Mayor Lewis, closing the

5673
04:29:49,110 --> 04:29:51,580
 vote. The motion carries six to zero.

5674
04:29:51,580 --> 04:29:53,620
 Okay. Thank you. Now we can go to you. Please

5675
04:29:53,620 --> 04:29:55,550
 give us your name and you have five minutes.

5676
04:29:55,550 --> 04:29:57,980
 Okay. Well, good evening, good afternoon. My name

5677
04:29:57,980 --> 04:30:01,200
 is Julie Peters. And in 2017, while serving

5678
04:30:01,200 --> 04:30:04,480
 as 3M Canada's Director of Transportation Safety,

5679
04:30:04,480 --> 04:30:07,150
 I was proud to see the City of London join the

5680
04:30:07,150 --> 04:30:10,280
 Global Vision Zero Movement. I was equally proud

5681
04:30:10,280 --> 04:30:12,950
 to attend the Transportation Association of

5682
04:30:12,950 --> 04:30:13,350
 Canada

5683
04:30:13,350 --> 04:30:15,770
 Conference the following year, where London

5684
04:30:15,770 --> 04:30:18,520
 received national recognition for its leadership

5685
04:30:18,520 --> 04:30:22,310
 in advancing roadway safety. Today, London stands

5686
04:30:22,310 --> 04:30:25,430
 alongside more than 1,200 municipalities

5687
04:30:25,430 --> 04:30:25,990
 worldwide

5688
04:30:25,990 --> 04:30:29,170
 who have adopted Vision Zero, a strategy that is

5689
04:30:29,170 --> 04:30:30,680
 built on a straightforward but

5690
04:30:30,680 --> 04:30:33,900
 powerful principle that no loss of life and no

5691
04:30:33,900 --> 04:30:36,410
 serious injury on our roadways is

5692
04:30:36,410 --> 04:30:39,890
 acceptable. Vision Zero was not nearly just a

5693
04:30:39,890 --> 04:30:41,960
 traffic safety program. It is a

5694
04:30:41,960 --> 04:30:44,430
 commitment by everyone in this room to ensure

5695
04:30:44,430 --> 04:30:46,170
 that transportation planning,

5696
04:30:46,170 --> 04:30:49,990
 roadway design, land use decisions, and public

5697
04:30:49,990 --> 04:30:52,290
 policy work together to protect

5698
04:30:52,290 --> 04:30:56,420
 human life. A particular focus of vision zero for

5699
04:30:56,420 --> 04:30:57,060
 those that are not

5700
04:30:57,060 --> 04:30:59,400
 acquainted with it is the protection of what is

5701
04:30:59,400 --> 04:31:01,150
 referred to as vulnerable road

5702
04:31:01,150 --> 04:31:04,640
 users. Those are children, pedestrians, cyclists,

5703
04:31:04,640 --> 04:31:06,330
 older adults, and persons with

5704
04:31:06,330 --> 04:31:10,010
 disabilities. Safety is achieved not solely

5705
04:31:10,010 --> 04:31:12,240
 through driver behavior but

5706
04:31:12,240 --> 04:31:15,310
 through planning and design that reduces risk,

5707
04:31:15,310 --> 04:31:16,940
 manages traffic volumes

5708
04:31:16,940 --> 04:31:20,480
 particularly around school zones, and prioritizes

5709
04:31:20,480 --> 04:31:22,200
 people and the places where

5710
04:31:22,200 --> 04:31:25,870
 they walk, learn, play and gather. So committee

5711
04:31:25,870 --> 04:31:27,060
 it is through this lens of

5712
04:31:27,060 --> 04:31:30,180
 safety that I ask you to evaluate the proposal

5713
04:31:30,180 --> 04:31:32,960
 that this applicant has. The

5714
04:31:32,960 --> 04:31:36,010
 proposed development density combined with a veh

5715
04:31:36,010 --> 04:31:37,640
icular access point along

5716
04:31:37,640 --> 04:31:40,940
 Geary Avenue will introduce significant track

5717
04:31:40,940 --> 04:31:42,950
 volumes on to Stony Brook Crescent

5718
04:31:42,950 --> 04:31:46,780
 as drivers aim to utilize the traffic signal at

5719
04:31:46,780 --> 04:31:50,050
 Fanshawe and Stony Brook when

5720
04:31:50,050 --> 04:31:52,030
 when trying to turn left.

5721
04:31:52,030 --> 04:31:55,170
 As council is aware, Stony Brook Crescent

5722
04:31:55,170 --> 04:31:57,400
 serves an elementary school

5723
04:31:57,400 --> 04:32:01,460
 and presents existed documented challenges.

5724
04:32:01,460 --> 04:32:03,570
 There are multiple blind curves.

5725
04:32:03,570 --> 04:32:05,690
 There are roadway pinch points.

5726
04:32:05,690 --> 04:32:07,480
 There are limited sight lines

5727
04:32:07,480 --> 04:32:10,820
 and significant seasonal visibility obstructions

5728
04:32:10,820 --> 04:32:13,300
 from winter snow banks.

5729
04:32:13,300 --> 04:32:15,880
 These concerns have been raised repeatedly

5730
04:32:15,880 --> 04:32:19,200
 by school administrators, by parent councils,

5731
04:32:19,200 --> 04:32:22,210
 by residents and by former members of this

5732
04:32:22,210 --> 04:32:23,640
 council.

5733
04:32:23,640 --> 04:32:26,470
 I will also note that the traffic study

5734
04:32:26,470 --> 04:32:30,100
 that was commissioned by Royal Premier Holmes was

5735
04:32:30,100 --> 04:32:30,920
 flawed.

5736
04:32:30,920 --> 04:32:33,700
 It did not take into consideration

5737
04:32:33,700 --> 04:32:36,960
 any of these issues raised by the community,

5738
04:32:36,960 --> 04:32:39,550
 and it was not conducted over a statistically

5739
04:32:39,550 --> 04:32:40,390
 significant

5740
04:32:40,390 --> 04:32:43,270
 point in time, and it failed to incorporate the

5741
04:32:43,270 --> 04:32:43,730
 safety

5742
04:32:43,730 --> 04:32:47,480
 of the complete thoroughfare and this school zone

5743
04:32:47,480 --> 04:32:48,610
.

5744
04:32:48,610 --> 04:32:52,880
 I therefore urge the committee to accept staff's

5745
04:32:52,880 --> 04:32:54,010
 application

5746
04:32:54,010 --> 04:32:56,320
 to refuse it in its current form

5747
04:32:56,320 --> 04:32:59,940
 and to support only future applications

5748
04:32:59,940 --> 04:33:03,080
 that provide a singular vehicle access

5749
04:33:03,080 --> 04:33:04,990
 along Fanshawe Park Road.

5750
04:33:04,990 --> 04:33:05,910
 I'm gonna repeat that.

5751
04:33:05,910 --> 04:33:10,260
 There should be no access along Gary Avenue.

5752
04:33:10,260 --> 04:33:12,760
 Above all, I urge this committee and council

5753
04:33:12,760 --> 04:33:14,900
 to honor your principles division zero

5754
04:33:14,900 --> 04:33:17,600
 and to place the safety of our children

5755
04:33:17,600 --> 04:33:19,500
 and of all vulnerable road users

5756
04:33:19,500 --> 04:33:22,190
 at the forefront of every decision you make.

5757
04:33:22,190 --> 04:33:23,370
 Thank you.

5758
04:33:23,370 --> 04:33:29,420
 - Thank you, I'll look for the next speaker.

5759
04:33:29,420 --> 04:33:30,470
 I'll go up top.

5760
04:33:30,470 --> 04:33:32,000
 Please sir, give us your name, you have five

5761
04:33:32,000 --> 04:33:33,420
 minutes.

5762
04:33:33,420 --> 04:33:34,940
 - My name is Jim McKee.

5763
04:33:34,940 --> 04:33:36,880
 My family has resided on Geary Avenue

5764
04:33:36,880 --> 04:33:39,740
 for more than 55 years.

5765
04:33:39,740 --> 04:33:42,240
 I'm here to respectfully urge the committee

5766
04:33:42,240 --> 04:33:45,550
 to uphold the recommendations of Planner Michelle

5767
04:33:45,550 --> 04:33:46,120
 Hines

5768
04:33:46,120 --> 04:33:48,380
 and refuse the application submitted by Royal

5769
04:33:48,380 --> 04:33:50,580
 Premier Homes.

5770
04:33:50,580 --> 04:33:53,810
 At its core, the application raises a simple

5771
04:33:53,810 --> 04:33:55,890
 but important question.

5772
04:33:55,890 --> 04:33:59,050
 Does this proposal represent good planning

5773
04:33:59,050 --> 04:34:02,690
 and is it in the public interest?

5774
04:34:02,690 --> 04:34:05,010
 The London Plan calls for the development

5775
04:34:05,010 --> 04:34:07,490
 that is an appropriate fit within the surrounding

5776
04:34:07,490 --> 04:34:08,650
 neighborhood

5777
04:34:08,650 --> 04:34:10,650
 and does not undermine the character

5778
04:34:10,650 --> 04:34:14,650
 of lower order residential streets.

5779
04:34:14,650 --> 04:34:17,140
 It's difficult for me to see how a ninth story

5780
04:34:17,140 --> 04:34:17,530
 apartment

5781
04:34:17,530 --> 04:34:20,840
 building containing almost 300 single bedroom

5782
04:34:20,840 --> 04:34:21,900
 units

5783
04:34:21,900 --> 04:34:24,180
 with a limited green space and insufficient

5784
04:34:24,180 --> 04:34:25,430
 parking

5785
04:34:25,430 --> 04:34:28,090
 can be considered an appropriate fit adjacent

5786
04:34:28,090 --> 04:34:32,390
 long-established family bungalows situated on

5787
04:34:32,390 --> 04:34:33,950
 large lots with massive trees.

5788
04:34:33,950 --> 04:34:38,980
 Beyond the issue of compatibility, the proposal

5789
04:34:38,980 --> 04:34:40,350
 raises significant concerns

5790
04:34:40,350 --> 04:34:44,020
 about traffic and parking. The development

5791
04:34:44,020 --> 04:34:46,930
 proposes 216 parking spaces for

5792
04:34:46,930 --> 04:34:50,270
 almost 300 residential units, which leaves a

5793
04:34:50,270 --> 04:34:51,620
 shortfall of more than 80

5794
04:34:51,620 --> 04:34:55,960
 vehicles, before accounting for visitors, service

5795
04:34:55,960 --> 04:34:57,570
 vehicles, and deliveries that

5796
04:34:57,570 --> 04:35:00,990
 will also be there. Where would those vehicles

5797
04:35:00,990 --> 04:35:03,290
 park, particularly during the

5798
04:35:03,290 --> 04:35:06,390
 winter months, when snow removal operations

5799
04:35:06,390 --> 04:35:07,270
 already limit

5800
04:35:07,270 --> 04:35:09,500
 available street parking.

5801
04:35:09,500 --> 04:35:13,320
 Geary Street is not a long street.

5802
04:35:13,320 --> 04:35:15,450
 Rlying on Geary for overflow parking

5803
04:35:15,450 --> 04:35:18,170
 will result in increased congestion

5804
04:35:18,170 --> 04:35:20,650
 and potential safety concerns.

5805
04:35:20,650 --> 04:35:23,490
 This is not a theoretical concern.

5806
04:35:23,490 --> 04:35:25,840
 It's a predictable outcome of approving a

5807
04:35:25,840 --> 04:35:27,430
 development

5808
04:35:27,430 --> 04:35:29,760
 with parking that does not match the building

5809
04:35:29,760 --> 04:35:32,040
 scale.

5810
04:35:32,040 --> 04:35:34,650
 Traffic circulation presents another serious

5811
04:35:34,650 --> 04:35:36,360
 concern.

5812
04:35:36,360 --> 04:35:38,800
 The proposal should result in hundreds of vehicle

5813
04:35:38,800 --> 04:35:39,270
 movements

5814
04:35:39,270 --> 04:35:42,850
 each day entering exiting onto Geary Avenue,

5815
04:35:42,850 --> 04:35:46,510
 a lower order residential street.

5816
04:35:46,510 --> 04:35:48,780
 During peak morning and afternoon periods,

5817
04:35:48,780 --> 04:35:51,630
 this traffic will intersect with interact,

5818
04:35:51,630 --> 04:35:55,100
 with pedestrians, school bus loading zones,

5819
04:35:55,100 --> 04:35:58,030
 and crosswalks carrying students and families

5820
04:35:58,030 --> 04:36:01,470
 in our neighborhood, which raises an obvious

5821
04:36:01,470 --> 04:36:02,950
 question.

5822
04:36:02,950 --> 04:36:07,280
 Why is traffic being directed at all onto Geary?

5823
04:36:07,280 --> 04:36:10,540
 Nearby apartment complexes at 370 and 420 Fanshaw

5824
04:36:10,540 --> 04:36:11,530
e Park Road

5825
04:36:11,530 --> 04:36:14,180
 access directly onto Fanshawe.

5826
04:36:14,180 --> 04:36:16,250
 If direct access onto a higher-order road

5827
04:36:16,250 --> 04:36:18,640
 was appropriate for those developments,

5828
04:36:18,640 --> 04:36:20,730
 why was a similar approach not pursued here

5829
04:36:20,730 --> 04:36:22,340
 instead of routing the traffic

5830
04:36:22,340 --> 04:36:26,250
 through a lower-order residential street?

5831
04:36:26,250 --> 04:36:27,630
 The city staff have concluded

5832
04:36:27,630 --> 04:36:30,300
 that this proposal is not in the public interest

5833
04:36:30,300 --> 04:36:33,580
 and does not represent good planning.

5834
04:36:33,580 --> 04:36:35,220
 This committee has the opportunity

5835
04:36:35,220 --> 04:36:37,810
 to uphold the principles of the London Plan

5836
04:36:37,810 --> 04:36:39,750
 and ensure that growth occurs in the manner

5837
04:36:39,750 --> 04:36:42,330
 that is compatible, responsible,

5838
04:36:42,330 --> 04:36:45,880
 and respectful of long-established communities.

5839
04:36:45,880 --> 04:36:47,160
 I respectfully ask the committee

5840
04:36:47,160 --> 04:36:49,430
 to support the staff's recommendation

5841
04:36:49,430 --> 04:36:52,030
 and refuse this application.

5842
04:36:52,030 --> 04:36:54,470
 Thank you for your time and consideration.

5843
04:36:54,470 --> 04:36:56,490
 - Thank you, I'll go to the gentleman here, am I

5844
04:36:56,490 --> 04:36:56,980
 right?

5845
04:36:56,980 --> 04:36:58,860
 Please sir, give us your name, you have five

5846
04:36:58,860 --> 04:37:00,120
 minutes.

5847
04:37:00,120 --> 04:37:01,970
 - Thank you, my name is Robert Thorin, I live on

5848
04:37:01,970 --> 04:37:03,970
 Stony Brook.

5849
04:37:03,970 --> 04:37:07,070
 Members of the Planning Environment Committee,

5850
04:37:07,070 --> 04:37:10,630
 I stand before you today not to oppose the,

5851
04:37:10,630 --> 04:37:11,870
 excuse me,

5852
04:37:11,870 --> 04:37:15,660
 the development entirely, but to advocate

5853
04:37:15,660 --> 04:37:17,730
 for the livability and the character

5854
04:37:17,730 --> 04:37:21,140
 of our established neighborhood.

5855
04:37:21,140 --> 04:37:26,650
 We are here to address the proposed eight-story

5856
04:37:26,650 --> 04:37:29,280
 apartment building, and specifically the severe

5857
04:37:29,280 --> 04:37:33,830
 impact of introducing a high-volume service and

5858
04:37:33,830 --> 04:37:36,860
 residence traffic into a quiet residential street

5859
04:37:36,860 --> 04:37:37,040
.

5860
04:37:37,040 --> 04:37:41,170
 Furthermore, while the main corridor street has

5861
04:37:41,170 --> 04:37:44,720
 been upgraded to accommodate for eight floors,

5862
04:37:44,720 --> 04:37:46,870
 the London Plan limits development with a

5863
04:37:46,870 --> 04:37:49,850
 residential street access to a maximum of four

5864
04:37:49,850 --> 04:37:50,530
 stores.

5865
04:37:50,530 --> 04:37:54,470
 With no extra parking for guests, visitors will

5866
04:37:54,470 --> 04:37:57,530
 have to compete for limited parking spaces on-

5867
04:37:57,530 --> 04:37:57,730
site

5868
04:37:57,730 --> 04:38:02,190
 and on the adjacent residential streets creating

5869
04:38:02,190 --> 04:38:04,460
 significant strain on the surrounding

5870
04:38:04,460 --> 04:38:05,450
 infrastructure.

5871
04:38:05,450 --> 04:38:13,290
 Adding to these concerns, the only off-street

5872
04:38:13,290 --> 04:38:19,230
 access will likely result in delivery vehicles

5873
04:38:19,230 --> 04:38:22,720
 turning left onto the neighborhood streets,

5874
04:38:22,720 --> 04:38:26,680
 avoiding the difficult left onto Fanshawe Park

5875
04:38:26,680 --> 04:38:30,380
 road during peak traffic, channeling heavy

5876
04:38:30,380 --> 04:38:32,560
 commercial vehicles through the neighborhood

5877
04:38:32,560 --> 04:38:36,080
 and past the public school. Finally, the only

5878
04:38:36,080 --> 04:38:38,460
 entrance will be situated immediately adjacent

5879
04:38:38,460 --> 04:38:41,800
 to homes where that driveway will be used for

5880
04:38:41,800 --> 04:38:45,520
 service vehicles, garbage, recycling, deliveries

5881
04:38:45,520 --> 04:38:49,420
 i.e. Amazon, Skip, Prescriptions, Uber, and

5882
04:38:49,420 --> 04:38:53,450
 Access to Underground Parking, further disrupting

5883
04:38:53,450 --> 04:38:57,920
 the quality of life for those residents. While I

5884
04:38:57,920 --> 04:39:01,550
 understand the city's goal for intensification

5885
04:39:01,550 --> 04:39:04,550
 along primary corridors, this eight-story

5886
04:39:04,550 --> 04:39:07,900
 proposal with its high density, limited parking,

5887
04:39:07,900 --> 04:39:11,620
 service accessing into quiet residential streets

5888
04:39:11,620 --> 04:39:14,630
 presents a risk that far outweighs the potential

5889
04:39:14,630 --> 04:39:17,390
 benefit of the local neighborhood. I ask the

5890
04:39:17,390 --> 04:39:20,390
 committee to respect the established urban design

5891
04:39:20,390 --> 04:39:23,770
 guidelines and deny this application. Thank you

5892
04:39:23,770 --> 04:39:25,120
 for your time.

5893
04:39:25,120 --> 04:39:30,230
 Thank you. I look for the next speaker. Please

5894
04:39:30,230 --> 04:39:31,900
 sir, give us your name. You have five minutes.

5895
04:39:31,900 --> 04:39:34,880
 Good afternoon or good evening I guess now. My

5896
04:39:34,880 --> 04:39:37,480
 name is Rob Ashton and I live in the Stonybrook

5897
04:39:37,480 --> 04:39:39,530
 neighborhood immediately adjacent to this

5898
04:39:39,530 --> 04:39:41,760
 proposal. I would like to begin with thanking

5899
04:39:41,760 --> 04:39:43,920
 planning staff for their careful analysis of this

5900
04:39:43,920 --> 04:39:46,860
 application. In my respectful submission,

5901
04:39:46,860 --> 04:39:49,680
 staff has correctly identified the central issues

5902
04:39:49,680 --> 04:39:52,870
 before this committee. This is not about whether

5903
04:39:52,870 --> 04:39:56,480
 London should intensify. It should. This case is

5904
04:39:56,480 --> 04:39:59,090
 about whether this particular proposal represents

5905
04:39:59,090 --> 04:40:00,980
 the type of desirable intensification

5906
04:40:00,980 --> 04:40:03,520
 contemplated by the Planning Act, the Provincial

5907
04:40:03,520 --> 04:40:03,660
 Planning

5908
04:40:03,660 --> 04:40:06,110
 Statement, and the London Plan. I submit that it

5909
04:40:06,110 --> 04:40:09,400
 does not. In my respectful submission, one of the

5910
04:40:09,400 --> 04:40:11,810
 most significant flaws in this application is

5911
04:40:11,810 --> 04:40:14,240
 that it takes height, density, and massing,

5912
04:40:14,240 --> 04:40:17,030
 justified by frontage on Fanshawe Park Road, and

5913
04:40:17,030 --> 04:40:19,570
 extends those impacts onto Geary Avenue,

5914
04:40:19,570 --> 04:40:22,140
 a local residential street where the required

5915
04:40:22,140 --> 04:40:23,800
 transition simply does not occur.

5916
04:40:23,800 --> 04:40:27,580
 The applicant seeks approval for an eight-story,

5917
04:40:27,580 --> 04:40:30,180
 almost 300-unit apartment building on a site

5918
04:40:30,180 --> 04:40:31,900
 directly abutting one of London's most

5919
04:40:31,900 --> 04:40:34,000
 established low-density neighborhoods.

5920
04:40:34,000 --> 04:40:37,030
 This proposal therefore represents a level of

5921
04:40:37,030 --> 04:40:40,290
 intensity that far exceeds what can be reasonably

5922
04:40:40,290 --> 04:40:41,930
 considered compatible with surrounding

5923
04:40:41,930 --> 04:40:44,990
 neighborhood context. The issue is not the number

5924
04:40:44,990 --> 04:40:45,470
 of stories

5925
04:40:45,470 --> 04:40:48,980
 alone though. It's the overall scale, massing,

5926
04:40:48,980 --> 04:40:51,350
 intensity, and lack of transition between this

5927
04:40:51,350 --> 04:40:54,610
 proposal and the surrounding community. Good

5928
04:40:54,610 --> 04:40:56,540
 planning requires more than blind compliance

5929
04:40:56,540 --> 04:40:59,230
 with maximum height permission. The Planning Act

5930
04:40:59,230 --> 04:41:01,730
 speaks of promoting well-designed built form

5931
04:41:01,730 --> 04:41:04,130
 and creating a sense of place. The Provincial

5932
04:41:04,130 --> 04:41:06,490
 Planning Statement speaks of development that

5933
04:41:06,490 --> 04:41:09,170
 is compatible with insensitive to surrounding

5934
04:41:09,170 --> 04:41:12,250
 land uses. The London Plan repeatedly requires

5935
04:41:12,250 --> 04:41:14,750
 development to fit within its context provide

5936
04:41:14,750 --> 04:41:17,630
 appropriate transition and contribute positively

5937
04:41:17,630 --> 04:41:20,530
 to neighborhood character. Those principles are

5938
04:41:20,530 --> 04:41:22,980
 not optional. That is the framework through

5939
04:41:22,980 --> 04:41:26,280
 which intensification is evaluated. In this case,

5940
04:41:26,280 --> 04:41:28,810
 the proposal attempts to take density that may

5941
04:41:28,810 --> 04:41:30,960
 in isolation be appropriate along the less

5942
04:41:30,960 --> 04:41:33,170
 residential section of Fanshawe Park Road

5943
04:41:33,170 --> 04:41:35,340
 and extend it into Geary Avenue, a local

5944
04:41:35,340 --> 04:41:38,520
 neighborhood street. That distinction is

5945
04:41:38,520 --> 04:41:39,890
 critically important.

5946
04:41:39,890 --> 04:41:42,540
 Fanshawe Park Road is a major urban corridor.

5947
04:41:42,540 --> 04:41:44,490
 Geary Ave is not.

5948
04:41:44,490 --> 04:41:46,760
 Good planning requires a meaningful transition

5949
04:41:46,760 --> 04:41:49,530
 between significantly different built forms,

5950
04:41:49,530 --> 04:41:52,100
 which this proposal fails to provide.

5951
04:41:52,100 --> 04:41:54,040
 Further, Geary functions as the entrance

5952
04:41:54,040 --> 04:41:55,810
 to a stable residential neighborhood

5953
04:41:55,810 --> 04:41:57,990
 comprised predominantly of detached homes

5954
04:41:57,990 --> 04:42:00,130
 and mature landscape features.

5955
04:42:00,130 --> 04:42:02,320
 The applicant's approach does not merely

5956
04:42:02,320 --> 04:42:03,940
 intensify a major corridor.

5957
04:42:03,940 --> 04:42:06,760
 It internalizes corridor scale intensity

5958
04:42:06,760 --> 04:42:08,630
 under a local residential street

5959
04:42:08,630 --> 04:42:11,330
 that was never planned, designed, or intended to

5960
04:42:11,330 --> 04:42:13,160
 accommodate that form of development,

5961
04:42:13,160 --> 04:42:16,130
 and all without providing the transition required

5962
04:42:16,130 --> 04:42:18,640
 by the London Plan in provincial planning policy.

5963
04:42:18,640 --> 04:42:21,380
 That is not an example of appropriate transition,

5964
04:42:21,380 --> 04:42:23,390
 that is the absence of transition.

5965
04:42:23,390 --> 04:42:25,860
 It's more accurately described as expansion.

5966
04:42:25,860 --> 04:42:28,330
 Approval of this policy would signal that

5967
04:42:28,330 --> 04:42:29,720
 corridor scale intensity

5968
04:42:29,720 --> 04:42:32,010
 may be extended onto local residential streets

5969
04:42:32,010 --> 04:42:34,200
 without achieving the transition required by

5970
04:42:34,200 --> 04:42:34,760
 policy.

5971
04:42:34,760 --> 04:42:37,270
 It would effectively permit lands fronting major

5972
04:42:37,270 --> 04:42:37,830
 corridors

5973
04:42:37,830 --> 04:42:40,320
 to be assembled and used to justify increasingly

5974
04:42:40,320 --> 04:42:42,610
 intensive development extending deeper into

5975
04:42:42,610 --> 04:42:45,640
 established neighborhoods. That interpretation is

5976
04:42:45,640 --> 04:42:48,110
 difficult to reconcile with the compatibility,

5977
04:42:48,110 --> 04:42:50,290
 transition, and fit objectives embedded

5978
04:42:50,290 --> 04:42:51,940
 throughout the London plan.

5979
04:42:51,940 --> 04:42:54,250
 The outcome would undermine one of the most

5980
04:42:54,250 --> 04:42:56,490
 fundamental principles of land use planning.

5981
04:42:56,490 --> 04:42:59,470
 Growth must be directed in a manner that respects

5982
04:42:59,470 --> 04:43:01,730
 context and achieves compatibility.

5983
04:43:01,730 --> 04:43:04,300
 I respectfully submit that staff are correct in

5984
04:43:04,300 --> 04:43:06,550
 concluding that the proposal fails to achieve

5985
04:43:06,550 --> 04:43:09,750
 this transition fit an integration required by

5986
04:43:09,750 --> 04:43:12,680
 policy. Importantly, refusing this application

5987
04:43:12,680 --> 04:43:15,320
 would not be a rejection of intensification. It's

5988
04:43:15,320 --> 04:43:17,690
 a recognition that intensification must

5989
04:43:17,690 --> 04:43:21,570
 still be respectful of planning principles. There

5990
04:43:21,570 --> 04:43:23,040
 are forms of redevelopment that could

5991
04:43:23,040 --> 04:43:25,260
 succeed on this site. A low to mid-rise

5992
04:43:25,260 --> 04:43:28,120
 development with reduced height, reduced massing,

5993
04:43:28,120 --> 04:43:28,400
 along

5994
04:43:28,400 --> 04:43:31,220
 gear, greater setbacks, stronger landscape buff

5995
04:43:31,220 --> 04:43:33,590
ering, improved transition, vehicular

5996
04:43:33,590 --> 04:43:36,620
 access off of Fanshawe, they could all achieve

5997
04:43:36,620 --> 04:43:39,050
 housing objectives while remaining compatible

5998
04:43:39,050 --> 04:43:41,620
 with the surrounding community. Those are not

5999
04:43:41,620 --> 04:43:43,580
 competing objectives. They are exactly

6000
04:43:43,580 --> 04:43:46,730
 what good planning requires. For those reasons, I

6001
04:43:46,730 --> 04:43:48,780
 respectfully submit the staff have reached

6002
04:43:48,780 --> 04:43:50,970
 the correct planning conclusion and I ask the

6003
04:43:50,970 --> 04:43:53,310
 committee to support staff's recommendation

6004
04:43:53,310 --> 04:43:56,150
 and refuse the application in its current form.

6005
04:43:56,150 --> 04:43:57,770
 Thank you for your time.

6006
04:43:57,770 --> 04:43:59,410
 Thank you. I'll look for the next speaker.

6007
04:43:59,410 --> 04:44:03,630
 - Today, I'm wearing--

6008
04:44:03,630 --> 04:44:06,540
 - Oh, hi, I'm sorry, I was looking over here.

6009
04:44:06,540 --> 04:44:08,090
 Look over here.

6010
04:44:08,090 --> 04:44:09,600
 Please give us your name and you have five

6011
04:44:09,600 --> 04:44:10,090
 minutes.

6012
04:44:10,090 --> 04:44:11,280
 - I'm Maureen Wilson.

6013
04:44:11,280 --> 04:44:12,990
 I do not live in the immediate area

6014
04:44:12,990 --> 04:44:15,760
 of Stony Creek, Fanshawe, and Geary Development.

6015
04:44:15,760 --> 04:44:17,820
 However, my own neighborhood recently went

6016
04:44:17,820 --> 04:44:18,020
 through

6017
04:44:18,020 --> 04:44:19,880
 a second round of rezoning changes

6018
04:44:19,880 --> 04:44:22,270
 for the property abutting our yard.

6019
04:44:22,270 --> 04:44:25,700
 Earlier today, I spoke regarding 929 Chief's side

6020
04:44:25,700 --> 04:44:26,210
.

6021
04:44:26,210 --> 04:44:28,270
 So why am I still here?

6022
04:44:28,270 --> 04:44:30,050
 The proposed infill development

6023
04:44:30,050 --> 04:44:31,980
 for Stony Creek, Fanshawe, and Geary

6024
04:44:31,980 --> 04:44:35,170
 also contains numerous special provision requests

6025
04:44:35,170 --> 04:44:36,050
.

6026
04:44:36,050 --> 04:44:37,990
 Please recall my comments from earlier.

6027
04:44:37,990 --> 04:44:40,240
 They also apply here.

6028
04:44:40,240 --> 04:44:42,450
 Please review the special provisions and ask

6029
04:44:42,450 --> 04:44:43,610
 questions.

6030
04:44:43,610 --> 04:44:46,730
 Are they truly special or are they do overzealous

6031
04:44:46,730 --> 04:44:47,280
?

6032
04:44:47,280 --> 04:44:49,180
 Push for the whys.

6033
04:44:49,180 --> 04:44:51,110
 In addition to my earlier suggestion

6034
04:44:51,110 --> 04:44:53,280
 that submission should include a chart depicting

6035
04:44:53,280 --> 04:44:53,800
 required

6036
04:44:53,800 --> 04:44:56,260
 and proposed setbacks, story by story,

6037
04:44:56,260 --> 04:44:58,160
 I would like to make additional suggestions

6038
04:44:58,160 --> 04:45:00,520
 based on my own recent experience.

6039
04:45:00,520 --> 04:45:03,540
 I would like to suggest that staff reports to PEC

6040
04:45:03,540 --> 04:45:04,840
 include five new sections.

6041
04:45:04,840 --> 04:45:07,560
 - Okay, I'm going to just interrupt you there.

6042
04:45:07,560 --> 04:45:09,500
 I allowed you some leeway

6043
04:45:09,500 --> 04:45:12,620
 when you first addressed the committee.

6044
04:45:12,620 --> 04:45:15,120
 I just asked that you keep your comments specific

6045
04:45:15,120 --> 04:45:17,780
 to the item that we're discussing right now.

6046
04:45:17,780 --> 04:45:20,170
 There are other avenues where you can make your

6047
04:45:20,170 --> 04:45:20,950
 suggestions

6048
04:45:20,950 --> 04:45:23,960
 as far as generalities, as far as staff or

6049
04:45:23,960 --> 04:45:24,600
 committees.

6050
04:45:24,600 --> 04:45:26,220
 So please keep your comments

6051
04:45:26,220 --> 04:45:28,610
 to the Fanshawe and Geary development.

6052
04:45:28,610 --> 04:45:32,200
 - Well, I think this is because visual inspection

6053
04:45:32,200 --> 04:45:35,190
 would require an in-person visit to the property

6054
04:45:35,190 --> 04:45:36,400
 by the planning department

6055
04:45:36,400 --> 04:45:38,890
 when an in-fill application is in its early

6056
04:45:38,890 --> 04:45:39,660
 stages.

6057
04:45:39,660 --> 04:45:41,820
 And I'm certain that many of you in this room

6058
04:45:41,820 --> 04:45:43,200
 took the tour of the neighborhood

6059
04:45:43,200 --> 04:45:46,030
 for the application currently before you.

6060
04:45:46,030 --> 04:45:49,360
 Sadly, this does not happen for all applications.

6061
04:45:49,360 --> 04:45:51,560
 And I suspect you would agree that the view from

6062
04:45:51,560 --> 04:45:52,050
 the street

6063
04:45:52,050 --> 04:45:55,060
 is more impactful than for behind a desk and a

6064
04:45:55,060 --> 04:45:56,520
 computer.

6065
04:45:56,520 --> 04:45:58,270
 I too attended one of the tours

6066
04:45:58,270 --> 04:46:00,580
 for the application currently before you.

6067
04:46:00,580 --> 04:46:02,840
 It was interesting to hear many of the resident's

6068
04:46:02,840 --> 04:46:03,780
 comments.

6069
04:46:03,780 --> 04:46:06,120
 Grading, fit, and compatibility,

6070
04:46:06,120 --> 04:46:10,480
 it sounded very familiar from my own round.

6071
04:46:10,480 --> 04:46:13,630
 Fact check and actively look for omissions.

6072
04:46:13,630 --> 04:46:15,670
 Are the descriptions and facts truthful?

6073
04:46:15,670 --> 04:46:18,940
 Are there obvious omissions and if so why?

6074
04:46:18,940 --> 04:46:21,280
 Mockups of the development would look like

6075
04:46:21,280 --> 04:46:23,040
 from abutting streets.

6076
04:46:23,040 --> 04:46:25,360
 Currently mockups only depict appearances

6077
04:46:25,360 --> 04:46:27,760
 from the fronting street along with other views

6078
04:46:27,760 --> 04:46:29,880
 from within the development.

6079
04:46:29,880 --> 04:46:31,730
 Grading, this is currently left

6080
04:46:31,730 --> 04:46:35,350
 for the site plan stage.

6081
04:46:35,350 --> 04:46:39,840
 Gary also mentioned grading, so in my instance,

6082
04:46:39,840 --> 04:46:42,260
 so I think that when they're submitted,

6083
04:46:42,260 --> 04:46:44,720
 they should have to include the high and low

6084
04:46:44,720 --> 04:46:45,590
 spots.

6085
04:46:45,590 --> 04:46:48,310
 Developers should have to show anticipated grain

6086
04:46:48,310 --> 04:46:49,450
 changes.

6087
04:46:49,450 --> 04:46:51,990
 Diagrams show zero degrees at all corners

6088
04:46:51,990 --> 04:46:54,170
 and is not transparent and does not illustrate

6089
04:46:54,170 --> 04:46:54,920
 zero degree,

6090
04:46:54,920 --> 04:46:57,770
 how the zero degree is achieved,

6091
04:46:57,770 --> 04:46:59,240
 is backfill required?

6092
04:46:59,240 --> 04:47:01,360
 Would it require a retaining wall?

6093
04:47:01,360 --> 04:47:02,760
 Is it reasonable?

6094
04:47:02,760 --> 04:47:05,660
 Does it fit the character of the neighborhood?

6095
04:47:05,660 --> 04:47:07,780
 I will admit, this is a personal irritant

6096
04:47:07,780 --> 04:47:11,440
 as we believe we will look at a six foot wall.

6097
04:47:11,440 --> 04:47:13,920
 The setback chart, including calculations for

6098
04:47:13,920 --> 04:47:14,650
 every story

6099
04:47:14,650 --> 04:47:17,100
 to more readily gauge whether a setback request

6100
04:47:17,100 --> 04:47:19,860
 is reasonable or grossly deficient and overz

6101
04:47:19,860 --> 04:47:20,820
ealous.

6102
04:47:20,820 --> 04:47:22,610
 In addition, the city needs to find ways

6103
04:47:22,610 --> 04:47:24,750
 to measure things that are subjective,

6104
04:47:24,750 --> 04:47:28,070
 fit and compatibility immediately come to mind.

6105
04:47:28,070 --> 04:47:30,370
 These are supposed to be taken into consideration

6106
04:47:30,370 --> 04:47:33,680
 for infill developments in existing neighborhoods

6107
04:47:33,680 --> 04:47:36,680
 and unfortunately both are very subjective.

6108
04:47:36,680 --> 04:47:38,570
 Developers should have to demonstrate

6109
04:47:38,570 --> 04:47:41,340
 how their development fits and how it is

6110
04:47:41,340 --> 04:47:42,320
 compatible.

6111
04:47:42,320 --> 04:47:45,020
 Simply stating that it fits and it's compatible

6112
04:47:45,020 --> 04:47:47,300
 fails the SNF test.

6113
04:47:47,300 --> 04:47:50,780
 To me, it is about, you don't wanna hear that's

6114
04:47:50,780 --> 04:47:51,090
 mine,

6115
04:47:51,090 --> 04:47:53,880
 it is not a sufficient explanation demonstrating

6116
04:47:53,880 --> 04:47:54,080
 fit

6117
04:47:54,080 --> 04:47:57,010
 and compatibility with the existing neighborhood.

6118
04:47:57,010 --> 04:47:59,280
 It is refreshing to see that the staff report

6119
04:47:59,280 --> 04:48:01,610
 before you today has not let the developer off

6120
04:48:01,610 --> 04:48:02,030
 the hook

6121
04:48:02,030 --> 04:48:04,260
 with generic comments and staff

6122
04:48:04,260 --> 04:48:06,720
 are indicating the proposal is not compatible

6123
04:48:06,720 --> 04:48:08,150
 and does not preserve the character

6124
04:48:08,150 --> 04:48:10,400
 of the lower order street.

6125
04:48:10,400 --> 04:48:12,730
 Please take the steps to ingrain a balanced

6126
04:48:12,730 --> 04:48:13,260
 judgment

6127
04:48:13,260 --> 04:48:16,350
 of fit and compatibility for future developments

6128
04:48:16,350 --> 04:48:18,850
 and ensure the current wave of judgment

6129
04:48:18,850 --> 04:48:21,620
 does not simply vanish in six months.

6130
04:48:21,620 --> 04:48:23,850
 To planning, staff and PEC, I believe the

6131
04:48:23,850 --> 04:48:24,250
 addition

6132
04:48:24,250 --> 04:48:27,300
 of my earlier suggestions to enforce current

6133
04:48:27,300 --> 04:48:27,580
 rules

6134
04:48:27,580 --> 04:48:29,320
 and policies at the initial stages

6135
04:48:29,320 --> 04:48:31,890
 and the creation of five suggested sections

6136
04:48:31,890 --> 04:48:33,350
 would create more transparency,

6137
04:48:33,350 --> 04:48:36,130
 less friction and save valuable time.

6138
04:48:36,130 --> 04:48:37,910
 I encourage everyone to ask questions

6139
04:48:37,910 --> 04:48:39,810
 and flush out the whys.

6140
04:48:39,810 --> 04:48:41,880
 Thank you for your time and consideration of

6141
04:48:41,880 --> 04:48:42,550
 these items

6142
04:48:42,550 --> 04:48:45,360
 that I see as pain points and related suggestions

6143
04:48:45,360 --> 04:48:48,130
 that may make situations better for future info

6144
04:48:48,130 --> 04:48:49,640
 applications.

6145
04:48:49,640 --> 04:48:51,950
 And a huge thank you to all of those here

6146
04:48:51,950 --> 04:48:55,040
 speaking up for your neighborhoods today.

6147
04:48:55,040 --> 04:48:59,680
 - Go to our next speaker.

6148
04:48:59,680 --> 04:49:02,320
 Please give us your name, you have five minutes.

6149
04:49:02,320 --> 04:49:06,360
 - My name is Mary McKee and I live at 1522 Geary

6150
04:49:06,360 --> 04:49:06,790
 Ave.

6151
04:49:06,790 --> 04:49:08,850
 I'm here today to strongly urge you

6152
04:49:08,850 --> 04:49:11,180
 to uphold city staff's recommendation

6153
04:49:11,180 --> 04:49:15,270
 and refuse the zoning amendment application.

6154
04:49:15,270 --> 04:49:17,500
 I wanna use my time specifically

6155
04:49:17,500 --> 04:49:20,280
 on the critical issue of traffic and pedestrian

6156
04:49:20,280 --> 04:49:21,150
 safety.

6157
04:49:21,150 --> 04:49:24,160
 And I'm going to use honest driving.

6158
04:49:24,160 --> 04:49:27,640
 I have lived on Geary Ave for the last 10 years.

6159
04:49:27,640 --> 04:49:29,710
 In that decade, I have watched the volume of

6160
04:49:29,710 --> 04:49:30,210
 traffic

6161
04:49:30,210 --> 04:49:32,920
 on Fanshawe Park Road explode.

6162
04:49:32,920 --> 04:49:35,060
 We already know the intersection of Fanshawe and

6163
04:49:35,060 --> 04:49:35,560
 Adelaide

6164
04:49:35,560 --> 04:49:39,470
 is operating at a failing level of service.

6165
04:49:39,470 --> 04:49:42,400
 As a resident there, I am no longer willing to

6166
04:49:42,400 --> 04:49:42,750
 risk

6167
04:49:42,750 --> 04:49:45,730
 a left-hand turn onto Fanshawe Gary during peak

6168
04:49:45,730 --> 04:49:46,550
 hours.

6169
04:49:46,550 --> 04:49:49,050
 It is simply too dangerous.

6170
04:49:49,050 --> 04:49:52,200
 Instead, I frequently choose to travel south on

6171
04:49:52,200 --> 04:49:52,580
 Gary,

6172
04:49:52,580 --> 04:49:54,240
 turn right on Stony Brook Crescent,

6173
04:49:54,240 --> 04:49:56,570
 drive directly past the elementary school,

6174
04:49:56,570 --> 04:50:00,140
 and make my turn at the safe signalized traffic

6175
04:50:00,140 --> 04:50:00,300
 light

6176
04:50:00,300 --> 04:50:01,950
 of Filbert Drive.

6177
04:50:01,950 --> 04:50:04,540
 I explicitly advise visitors to my house

6178
04:50:04,540 --> 04:50:07,310
 to do the exact same thing during peak hours.

6179
04:50:07,310 --> 04:50:10,800
 Today, this is the only viable safe alternative

6180
04:50:10,800 --> 04:50:13,800
 to a blind left hand turn onto Fanshot in peak

6181
04:50:13,800 --> 04:50:14,630
 time.

6182
04:50:14,630 --> 04:50:17,120
 And I am not the only resident of the street that

6183
04:50:17,120 --> 04:50:19,010
 does that.

6184
04:50:19,010 --> 04:50:22,290
 My behavior is based on the current traffic

6185
04:50:22,290 --> 04:50:23,530
 situation,

6186
04:50:23,530 --> 04:50:26,690
 long before adding the proposed development.

6187
04:50:26,690 --> 04:50:30,820
 The developers proposed 299 unit plan,

6188
04:50:30,820 --> 04:50:33,860
 keeps the primary full access driveway on Gary

6189
04:50:33,860 --> 04:50:34,820
 Avenue.

6190
04:50:34,820 --> 04:50:38,670
 This design guarantees cars will be backed up at

6191
04:50:38,670 --> 04:50:39,580
 the corner,

6192
04:50:39,580 --> 04:50:42,360
 making it certain that hundreds of new hurried

6193
04:50:42,360 --> 04:50:42,940
 commuters

6194
04:50:42,940 --> 04:50:45,660
 will choose the exact same path that I do,

6195
04:50:45,660 --> 04:50:47,450
 turning south into the neighborhood

6196
04:50:47,450 --> 04:50:51,230
 and cutting directly past Stony Brook School.

6197
04:50:51,230 --> 04:50:54,240
 Gary should not have to handle this volume.

6198
04:50:54,240 --> 04:50:56,970
 In fact, just this past April,

6199
04:50:56,970 --> 04:50:59,070
 we received an official letter from the city

6200
04:50:59,070 --> 04:51:02,350
 outlining an upcoming traffic calming project

6201
04:51:02,350 --> 04:51:03,710
 on Gary F.

6202
04:51:03,710 --> 04:51:05,460
 It's going on right now.

6203
04:51:05,460 --> 04:51:07,470
 And it was in this direct response to,

6204
04:51:07,470 --> 04:51:10,870
 and I quote, increasing traffic concerns on the

6205
04:51:10,870 --> 04:51:12,300
 street.

6206
04:51:12,300 --> 04:51:15,100
 The city is actively spending taxpayers' money

6207
04:51:15,100 --> 04:51:19,590
 to fix Gary as a safe local residential road,

6208
04:51:19,590 --> 04:51:22,350
 approving a massive complex that dumps

6209
04:51:22,350 --> 04:51:26,000
 its operational traffic load onto Gary,

6210
04:51:26,000 --> 04:51:28,540
 immediately nullifies the city's own

6211
04:51:28,540 --> 04:51:29,160
 infrastructure

6212
04:51:29,160 --> 04:51:33,380
 investments and safety goals going on now.

6213
04:51:33,380 --> 04:51:36,350
 The volume fundamentally are incompatible

6214
04:51:36,350 --> 04:51:39,010
 with the lower-order street.

6215
04:51:39,010 --> 04:51:40,850
 So my objectives are grounded directly

6216
04:51:40,850 --> 04:51:44,220
 in the state's mandates of the London Plan.

6217
04:51:44,220 --> 04:51:45,910
 I don't want to, and I want to highlight

6218
04:51:45,910 --> 04:51:48,620
 four specific failures of the design.

6219
04:51:48,620 --> 04:51:52,470
 One, violation of policy 920,

6220
04:51:52,470 --> 04:51:55,130
 lower order compatibility.

6221
04:51:55,130 --> 04:51:58,240
 The London Plan explicitly mandates

6222
04:51:58,240 --> 04:52:00,270
 that developments at intersections

6223
04:52:00,270 --> 04:52:03,970
 must protect the character of lower order streets

6224
04:52:03,970 --> 04:52:04,170
.

6225
04:52:04,170 --> 04:52:06,900
 By keeping its primary access point on Gary

6226
04:52:06,900 --> 04:52:07,530
 Avenue,

6227
04:52:07,530 --> 04:52:09,920
 the developers treating a quiet residential

6228
04:52:09,920 --> 04:52:10,210
 street

6229
04:52:10,210 --> 04:52:12,300
 as a commercial thoroughfare.

6230
04:52:12,300 --> 04:52:15,270
 The main entry and exit must be on Fanshawe Park

6231
04:52:15,270 --> 04:52:16,090
 Road.

6232
04:52:16,090 --> 04:52:19,330
 Two, the predictable shortcut.

6233
04:52:19,330 --> 04:52:21,960
 The developers traffic assessment assumes drivers

6234
04:52:21,960 --> 04:52:24,600
 will patiently exit north onto Fanshawe.

6235
04:52:24,600 --> 04:52:27,670
 In reality, morning commuters wanting to go west

6236
04:52:27,670 --> 04:52:30,100
 will not wait indefinitely for a gap in the road

6237
04:52:30,100 --> 04:52:30,970
 traffic.

6238
04:52:30,970 --> 04:52:32,910
 They will take the path of least resistance

6239
04:52:32,910 --> 04:52:35,300
 and head past school.

6240
04:52:35,300 --> 04:52:38,860
 Three, severe risk to the school zone.

6241
04:52:38,860 --> 04:52:42,570
 This route forces an unsafe surge of commuter

6242
04:52:42,570 --> 04:52:44,780
 traffic directly past the front gates of

6243
04:52:44,780 --> 04:52:47,010
 Stony Brook Public School.

6244
04:52:47,010 --> 04:52:49,750
 The building's morning peak traffic overlaps

6245
04:52:49,750 --> 04:52:52,630
 precisely with school drop-off hours, directly

6246
04:52:52,630 --> 04:52:55,640
 violating the city's obligation to prioritize

6247
04:52:55,640 --> 04:52:59,640
 active transportation for vulnerable children.

6248
04:52:59,640 --> 04:53:03,070
 And four, street narrowing being park overflow.

6249
04:53:03,070 --> 04:53:07,570
 With 299 units, the project relies on a sub-1-to-

6250
04:53:07,570 --> 04:53:09,230
1 parking ratio.

6251
04:53:09,230 --> 04:53:11,640
 visitors parking will spill onto Geary app

6252
04:53:11,640 --> 04:53:14,160
 narrowing the roadway and dangerously blocking

6253
04:53:14,160 --> 04:53:16,740
 sight lines of school buses, emergency vehicles,

6254
04:53:16,740 --> 04:53:18,100
 and crossing students.

6255
04:53:18,100 --> 04:53:22,130
 Finally, this layout directly violates London's

6256
04:53:22,130 --> 04:53:25,020
 own Vision Zero Road Safety Strategies.

6257
04:53:25,020 --> 04:53:27,350
 Vision Zero explicitly states that our

6258
04:53:27,350 --> 04:53:30,140
 transportation network must be engineered to

6259
04:53:30,140 --> 04:53:31,830
 anticipate human

6260
04:53:31,830 --> 04:53:35,170
 air and designed for reality.

6261
04:53:35,170 --> 04:53:37,740
 Reality dictates that forcing hundreds of daily

6262
04:53:37,740 --> 04:53:39,710
 commuters onto Geary app will cause

6263
04:53:39,710 --> 04:53:42,110
 dangerous, short cutting through a school zone.

6264
04:53:42,110 --> 04:53:45,180
 - 30 seconds.

6265
04:53:45,180 --> 04:53:47,510
 - If the council stands by the Vision Zero

6266
04:53:47,510 --> 04:53:47,910
 promise

6267
04:53:47,910 --> 04:53:50,480
 to prioritize the safety of school children

6268
04:53:50,480 --> 04:53:52,620
 and over development density,

6269
04:53:52,620 --> 04:53:57,000
 it must refuse this application.

6270
04:53:57,000 --> 04:53:57,840
 - Thank you.

6271
04:53:57,840 --> 04:54:00,940
 I'll wait for the next speaker.

6272
04:54:00,940 --> 04:54:03,270
 Please give us your name, you have five minutes.

6273
04:54:03,270 --> 04:54:05,420
 - Hi, hello, my name is Kate Drum

6274
04:54:05,420 --> 04:54:07,730
 and I'm a resident of Stony Brook neighborhood.

6275
04:54:07,730 --> 04:54:10,880
 I am speaking to you today with the expectation

6276
04:54:10,880 --> 04:54:13,230
 that committee members will follow staff's

6277
04:54:13,230 --> 04:54:14,580
 recommendation

6278
04:54:14,580 --> 04:54:17,080
 and refuse the proposed development by Royal

6279
04:54:17,080 --> 04:54:18,490
 Premier Homes.

6280
04:54:18,490 --> 04:54:20,400
 To begin, I will quote the following

6281
04:54:20,400 --> 04:54:22,470
 from the City of London website

6282
04:54:22,470 --> 04:54:26,520
 regarding the Tree Canopy Conservation Program.

6283
04:54:26,520 --> 04:54:29,370
 The City of London's urban forest strategy

6284
04:54:29,370 --> 04:54:33,800
 sets out a target of 34% tree canopy cover by the

6285
04:54:33,800 --> 04:54:34,290
 year 2065.

6286
04:54:34,290 --> 04:54:39,870
 To achieve this goal, trees within city limits

6287
04:54:39,870 --> 04:54:43,130
 must be planted and existing trees must be

6288
04:54:43,130 --> 04:54:43,670
 managed

6289
04:54:43,670 --> 04:54:46,300
 in a way that extends their life.

6290
04:54:46,300 --> 04:54:49,070
 As a large proportion of London's trees

6291
04:54:49,070 --> 04:54:51,880
 are on private property, homeowners play a

6292
04:54:51,880 --> 04:54:52,790
 crucial role

6293
04:54:52,790 --> 04:54:56,890
 in achieving this target," end quote.

6294
04:54:56,890 --> 04:54:59,490
 Now, keeping this in mind, let's review the Arbor

6295
04:54:59,490 --> 04:55:00,250
ist Report

6296
04:55:00,250 --> 04:55:04,720
 for Zoning by Law Amendment, provided by Ron Caut

6297
04:55:04,720 --> 04:55:05,910
us

6298
04:55:05,910 --> 04:55:08,580
 Landscape Architects Inc. on behalf of the

6299
04:55:08,580 --> 04:55:10,320
 developer.

6300
04:55:10,320 --> 04:55:13,050
 The recommendations of the Arborist Report

6301
04:55:13,050 --> 04:55:16,260
 regarding the 81 individual trees

6302
04:55:16,260 --> 04:55:19,750
 and eight vegetation units are as follows.

6303
04:55:19,750 --> 04:55:23,720
 One, based on the proposed site plan,

6304
04:55:23,720 --> 04:55:26,260
 the majority of the trees would need to be

6305
04:55:26,260 --> 04:55:27,030
 removed

6306
04:55:27,030 --> 04:55:30,160
 due to direct conflict with construction.

6307
04:55:30,160 --> 04:55:34,020
 Two, recommended preservation of four trees

6308
04:55:34,020 --> 04:55:37,740
 and three vegetation units located beyond the

6309
04:55:37,740 --> 04:55:39,560
 subject site.

6310
04:55:39,560 --> 04:55:43,750
 Let me state that again, four trees of the 81

6311
04:55:43,750 --> 04:55:46,770
 And these four are not even within the boundaries

6312
04:55:46,770 --> 04:55:48,710
 of the subject site.

6313
04:55:48,710 --> 04:55:52,500
 Royal Premier Homes is clear cutting the forest

6314
04:55:52,500 --> 04:55:52,770
 city

6315
04:55:52,770 --> 04:55:55,760
 and this is very concerning.

6316
04:55:55,760 --> 04:55:58,590
 Not only are they removing all the vegetation

6317
04:55:58,590 --> 04:56:01,180
 within the boundary of the four lots,

6318
04:56:01,180 --> 04:56:03,720
 they are yet again going beyond

6319
04:56:03,720 --> 04:56:07,230
 and are requesting to clear cut 13 additional

6320
04:56:07,230 --> 04:56:07,660
 trees

6321
04:56:07,660 --> 04:56:10,450
 located either on the property boundary

6322
04:56:10,450 --> 04:56:14,930
 or on the private property of 1531 Stony Brook

6323
04:56:14,930 --> 04:56:15,430
 Crescent.

6324
04:56:15,430 --> 04:56:19,980
 Consent from the landowner of 1531 Stony Brook

6325
04:56:19,980 --> 04:56:20,400
 Crescent

6326
04:56:20,400 --> 04:56:24,000
 is required, and please note that consent

6327
04:56:24,000 --> 04:56:26,280
 has not been granted.

6328
04:56:26,280 --> 04:56:28,980
 I ask staff and council to think about

6329
04:56:28,980 --> 04:56:32,910
 how this proposal can in any way be permitted to

6330
04:56:32,910 --> 04:56:33,790
 proceed

6331
04:56:33,790 --> 04:56:36,880
 when it blatantly disregards the city's own

6332
04:56:36,880 --> 04:56:40,250
 tree canopy conservation goals.

6333
04:56:40,250 --> 04:56:42,210
 To add to the devastation,

6334
04:56:42,210 --> 04:56:44,930
 they are requesting to remove 12 trees

6335
04:56:44,930 --> 04:56:48,500
 that are 50 centimeters or more in diameter,

6336
04:56:48,500 --> 04:56:52,000
 including one that is 95 centimeters.

6337
04:56:52,000 --> 04:56:54,370
 We will never get that back.

6338
04:56:54,370 --> 04:56:56,160
 And let's recall that again,

6339
04:56:56,160 --> 04:56:59,450
 according to the city under the by-law,

6340
04:56:59,450 --> 04:57:02,700
 any tree with a trunk diameter of 50 centimeters

6341
04:57:02,700 --> 04:57:03,810
 or greater

6342
04:57:03,810 --> 04:57:06,950
 measured 1.4 meters from the ground

6343
04:57:06,950 --> 04:57:10,800
 is legally classified as a distinctive tree.

6344
04:57:10,800 --> 04:57:13,810
 and the unpermitted removal of a tree over 50

6345
04:57:13,810 --> 04:57:14,810
 centimeters

6346
04:57:14,810 --> 04:57:17,930
 can result in fines of tens of thousands of

6347
04:57:17,930 --> 04:57:18,940
 dollars.

6348
04:57:18,940 --> 04:57:21,560
 I ask you, how can such preservation

6349
04:57:21,560 --> 04:57:22,590
 contradictions

6350
04:57:22,590 --> 04:57:24,420
 be allowed to proceed?

6351
04:57:24,420 --> 04:57:27,550
 No amount of landscaping will replace the trees

6352
04:57:27,550 --> 04:57:30,280
 and habitat being lost.

6353
04:57:30,280 --> 04:57:33,560
 Lastly, as per the staff report,

6354
04:57:33,560 --> 04:57:37,260
 there is stated to be no ecological concerns,

6355
04:57:37,260 --> 04:57:39,320
 but then they note the following.

6356
04:57:39,320 --> 04:57:43,960
 1. Avoid tree removal within the act of bat roost

6357
04:57:43,960 --> 04:57:48,270
ing period, which is April 30th to September 1st.

6358
04:57:48,270 --> 04:57:52,920
 To reduce potential interactions with endangered

6359
04:57:52,920 --> 04:57:56,430
 bat species, to avoid contravention of the End

6360
04:57:56,430 --> 04:57:56,870
angered

6361
04:57:56,870 --> 04:58:02,360
 Species Act. 2. Avoid vegetation removal within

6362
04:58:02,360 --> 04:58:05,720
 the act of breeding bird period, which is April 1

6363
04:58:05,720 --> 04:58:05,920
st

6364
04:58:05,920 --> 04:58:10,250
 to August 30th to avoid disturbing nesting birds

6365
04:58:10,250 --> 04:58:13,750
 and contravening the Migratory Bird Convention

6366
04:58:13,750 --> 04:58:14,480
 Act.

6367
04:58:14,480 --> 04:58:18,030
 So when the damage is done and it cannot be

6368
04:58:18,030 --> 04:58:18,570
 undone,

6369
04:58:18,570 --> 04:58:21,520
 what happens to the local ecology?

6370
04:58:21,520 --> 04:58:25,250
 I ask the committee to uphold their own city-wide

6371
04:58:25,250 --> 04:58:26,650
 objectives

6372
04:58:26,650 --> 04:58:29,430
 and to not allow a third party to impose

6373
04:58:29,430 --> 04:58:30,650
 detrimental

6374
04:58:30,650 --> 04:58:34,060
 environmental impacts on our forest city.

6375
04:58:34,060 --> 04:58:38,090
 stop the excess demand for special provisions and

6376
04:58:38,090 --> 04:58:40,250
 uphold the integrity of our city.

6377
04:58:40,250 --> 04:58:42,410
 30 seconds. Our neighborhoods and our

6378
04:58:42,410 --> 04:58:45,860
 environmental standards refuse the development at

6379
04:58:45,860 --> 04:58:48,000
 517 to 525

6380
04:58:48,000 --> 04:58:52,110
 Fanshawe Park Road and 1536 Geary Ave. Thank you

6381
04:58:52,110 --> 04:58:53,590
 for your time.

6382
04:58:53,590 --> 04:59:02,250
 Next speaker. I'll ask the clerk if there's

6383
04:59:02,250 --> 04:59:15,400
 anyone online. Angela, can you hear me? Angela?

6384
04:59:15,400 --> 04:59:18,260
 - Sorry, I was just trying to switch to my

6385
04:59:18,260 --> 04:59:19,500
 microphone.

6386
04:59:19,500 --> 04:59:21,100
 - Okay, great.

6387
04:59:21,100 --> 04:59:23,890
 You give us your name and you have five minutes.

6388
04:59:23,890 --> 04:59:26,500
 - Sure, thank you, and thank you Rose for waiting

6389
04:59:26,500 --> 04:59:26,860
.

6390
04:59:26,860 --> 04:59:28,330
 Hi, my name is Angela Dillon,

6391
04:59:28,330 --> 04:59:30,230
 and I am speaking today as one of the many

6392
04:59:30,230 --> 04:59:32,960
 Stony Brook residents who has come together

6393
04:59:32,960 --> 04:59:36,690
 to inform our neighbors about this proposal.

6394
04:59:36,690 --> 04:59:39,550
 I was part of a small outreach group of residents

6395
04:59:39,550 --> 04:59:41,590
 whose goal was to raise awareness,

6396
04:59:41,590 --> 04:59:43,170
 connect with our community,

6397
04:59:43,170 --> 04:59:45,500
 help people understand what this proposal would

6398
04:59:45,500 --> 04:59:46,020
 mean,

6399
04:59:46,020 --> 04:59:48,100
 and what they could do if they wanted their

6400
04:59:48,100 --> 04:59:49,380
 voices heard.

6401
04:59:49,380 --> 04:59:51,950
 Over a six-week period, our small group

6402
04:59:51,950 --> 04:59:55,200
 went to approximately 1,000 doors.

6403
04:59:55,200 --> 04:59:57,550
 We spent countless evenings and weekends

6404
04:59:57,550 --> 04:59:59,240
 walking street after street,

6405
04:59:59,240 --> 05:00:01,390
 talking to neighbors face-to-face.

6406
05:00:01,390 --> 05:00:03,610
 We listened, we answered questions,

6407
05:00:03,610 --> 05:00:05,230
 we explained the proposal,

6408
05:00:05,230 --> 05:00:07,690
 and we directed people to the city's materials

6409
05:00:07,690 --> 05:00:09,950
 and encouraged them to review the application for

6410
05:00:09,950 --> 05:00:11,240
 themselves.

6411
05:00:11,240 --> 05:00:15,330
 What struck me most was not a response of anger,

6412
05:00:15,330 --> 05:00:17,010
 but of disbelief.

6413
05:00:17,010 --> 05:00:19,080
 People could not understand how a proposal of

6414
05:00:19,080 --> 05:00:19,860
 this scale

6415
05:00:19,860 --> 05:00:22,610
 was being contemplated in this location.

6416
05:00:22,610 --> 05:00:25,260
 And after countless conversations, I can tell you

6417
05:00:25,260 --> 05:00:25,760
 this,

6418
05:00:25,760 --> 05:00:29,330
 not one person told us they wanted this proposal

6419
05:00:29,330 --> 05:00:30,000
 approved,

6420
05:00:30,000 --> 05:00:31,500
 not one.

6421
05:00:31,500 --> 05:00:33,240
 Now, does that mean people are opposed to

6422
05:00:33,240 --> 05:00:34,020
 development?

6423
05:00:34,020 --> 05:00:35,200
 Absolutely not.

6424
05:00:35,200 --> 05:00:37,950
 Our neighbors understand that London is growing,

6425
05:00:37,950 --> 05:00:39,820
 they understand we need more housing,

6426
05:00:39,820 --> 05:00:42,340
 they understand intensification has a role to

6427
05:00:42,340 --> 05:00:43,200
 play.

6428
05:00:43,200 --> 05:00:46,060
 What they do not support is this proposal.

6429
05:00:46,060 --> 05:00:47,530
 They do not support a development

6430
05:00:47,530 --> 05:00:50,200
 effectively reaches nine stories when city staff

6431
05:00:50,200 --> 05:00:52,040
 have determined that enclosed rooftop

6432
05:00:52,040 --> 05:00:54,560
 amenity area constitutes an additional story

6433
05:00:54,560 --> 05:00:57,220
 beyond what is permitted. They do not support a

6434
05:00:57,220 --> 05:01:00,430
 proposal that extends an eight-story built form

6435
05:01:00,430 --> 05:01:03,160
 along Geary Avenue and places six-story

6436
05:01:03,160 --> 05:01:07,010
 massing directly beside existing low-rise homes.

6437
05:01:07,010 --> 05:01:11,040
 They do not support a proposal that city staff

6438
05:01:11,040 --> 05:01:14,040
 have repeatedly described as over-intensification

6439
05:01:14,040 --> 05:01:17,630
. Our community's concerns are not emotional.

6440
05:01:17,630 --> 05:01:20,150
 They are the same concerns identified by your

6441
05:01:20,150 --> 05:01:21,650
 professional planning staff.

6442
05:01:21,650 --> 05:01:24,060
 Staff concluded that this proposal does not

6443
05:01:24,060 --> 05:01:26,490
 significantly demonstrate compatibility

6444
05:01:26,490 --> 05:01:28,890
 with the surrounding neighborhood. It does not

6445
05:01:28,890 --> 05:01:32,120
 adequately mitigate adverse impacts on adjacent

6446
05:01:32,120 --> 05:01:35,780
 and nearby properties. Represents an over-intens

6447
05:01:35,780 --> 05:01:38,220
ification rather than the compact form of

6448
05:01:38,220 --> 05:01:39,010
 development

6449
05:01:39,010 --> 05:01:42,680
 contemplated by the London Plan. Fails to provide

6450
05:01:42,680 --> 05:01:45,730
 appropriate transitions to neighborhood homes

6451
05:01:46,520 --> 05:01:48,900
 is not appropriately oriented toward the higher

6452
05:01:48,900 --> 05:01:49,440
 order street

6453
05:01:49,440 --> 05:01:51,820
 and instead extends substantial massing along

6454
05:01:51,820 --> 05:01:53,500
 Geary Avenue

6455
05:01:53,500 --> 05:01:56,060
 and raises unresolved concerns regarding traffic,

6456
05:01:56,060 --> 05:01:59,050
 access, parking, site functionality, and landsc

6457
05:01:59,050 --> 05:02:00,400
aping.

6458
05:02:00,400 --> 05:02:01,820
 Most importantly, staff concluded

6459
05:02:01,820 --> 05:02:04,450
 that the proposal is not in the public interest

6460
05:02:04,450 --> 05:02:06,720
 and does not represent good planning.

6461
05:02:06,720 --> 05:02:08,810
 Our community did more than talk.

6462
05:02:08,810 --> 05:02:11,270
 We organized three weekend signature collection

6463
05:02:11,270 --> 05:02:11,670
 events.

6464
05:02:11,670 --> 05:02:13,660
 Hundreds of residents came out.

6465
05:02:13,660 --> 05:02:16,360
 Both online and in-person, we collected 717

6466
05:02:16,360 --> 05:02:17,470
 signatures

6467
05:02:17,470 --> 05:02:19,890
 From people who took the time to stand up and say

6468
05:02:19,890 --> 05:02:19,990
,

6469
05:02:19,890 --> 05:02:23,120
 this proposal is not appropriate for this

6470
05:02:23,120 --> 05:02:24,640
 location.

6471
05:02:24,640 --> 05:02:28,230
 In addition, more than 240 emails were submitted

6472
05:02:28,230 --> 05:02:30,680
 to the city by concerned residents

6473
05:02:30,680 --> 05:02:33,140
 who wanted their voices heard.

6474
05:02:33,140 --> 05:02:34,530
 Those numbers matter,

6475
05:02:34,530 --> 05:02:36,760
 not because planning should be decided by

6476
05:02:36,760 --> 05:02:37,800
 popularity,

6477
05:02:37,800 --> 05:02:40,510
 but because they demonstrate something important.

6478
05:02:40,510 --> 05:02:42,660
 Residents paid attention.

6479
05:02:42,660 --> 05:02:45,140
 They read the materials, they attended meetings,

6480
05:02:45,140 --> 05:02:46,280
 they asked questions,

6481
05:02:46,280 --> 05:02:49,040
 engaged in the process exactly as they were

6482
05:02:49,040 --> 05:02:52,250
 intended to do. And when they did, they reached

6483
05:02:52,250 --> 05:02:55,320
 the same conclusion as City Planning Staff. Today

6484
05:02:55,320 --> 05:02:57,540
 I ask that you listen not only to the hundreds of

6485
05:02:57,540 --> 05:02:59,810
 residents who signed petitions, attended

6486
05:02:59,810 --> 05:03:02,450
 community events, and who wrote to the city, but

6487
05:03:02,450 --> 05:03:03,000
 to your own

6488
05:03:03,000 --> 05:03:06,310
 professional planning staff. Staff have

6489
05:03:06,310 --> 05:03:10,580
 recommended refusal, not referral, not more

6490
05:03:10,580 --> 05:03:11,510
 studies, not

6491
05:03:11,510 --> 05:03:14,930
 another redesign, refusal. After reviewing the

6492
05:03:14,930 --> 05:03:17,700
 application, the planning framework, and the

6493
05:03:17,700 --> 05:03:19,520
 impacts on the surrounding neighborhood staff

6494
05:03:19,520 --> 05:03:21,960
 concluded that this proposal is inconsistent

6495
05:03:21,960 --> 05:03:24,980
 with good planning and should not proceed.

6496
05:03:24,980 --> 05:03:27,920
 Members of the committee, our community has

6497
05:03:27,920 --> 05:03:30,570
 done its part. We knocked on doors. We informed

6498
05:03:30,570 --> 05:03:33,760
 our neighbors. We participated respectfully.

6499
05:03:33,760 --> 05:03:36,770
 We trusted the planning process and today we are

6500
05:03:36,770 --> 05:03:39,550
 asking you to do the same. Please uphold the

6501
05:03:39,550 --> 05:03:42,390
 principles of the London Plan. Please support

6502
05:03:42,390 --> 05:03:44,800
 your planning staff and please refuse this

6503
05:03:44,800 --> 05:03:45,660
 application.

6504
05:03:45,660 --> 05:03:51,700
 Thank you for your time. Thank you. Or do we have

6505
05:03:51,700 --> 05:03:57,880
 another person online? Megan, can you hear me?

6506
05:03:57,880 --> 05:04:00,260
 Yeah, I can hear you. Are you able to hear me?

6507
05:04:00,260 --> 05:04:02,280
 Yeah, yes, I can. Please give us your name and

6508
05:04:02,280 --> 05:04:04,750
 you have five minutes. Thank you. My name is

6509
05:04:04,750 --> 05:04:07,720
 Megan Tancredi. I want to start by thanking the

6510
05:04:07,720 --> 05:04:08,180
 chair,

6511
05:04:08,180 --> 05:04:10,740
 the PEC members of council and Mayor Morgan for

6512
05:04:10,740 --> 05:04:13,290
 your time, your consideration, and all of your

6513
05:04:13,290 --> 05:04:16,190
 care during the proposed Donnie Brook development

6514
05:04:16,190 --> 05:04:19,600
 process. So I live in the neighborhood of this

6515
05:04:19,600 --> 05:04:23,400
 proposal that's proposed at eight stories, 299

6516
05:04:23,400 --> 05:04:25,510
 units at Fanshawe Park Road and Geary.

6517
05:04:25,510 --> 05:04:28,740
 I've lived in this neighborhood since 2018 with

6518
05:04:28,740 --> 05:04:31,260
 my husband and our two children. Our kids are

6519
05:04:31,260 --> 05:04:34,300
 10 years old and 7 years old and we love this

6520
05:04:34,300 --> 05:04:36,380
 neighborhood for many reasons that have been

6521
05:04:36,380 --> 05:04:38,850
 mentioned by some of my neighbors such as the

6522
05:04:38,850 --> 05:04:42,050
 school district, the spacious and older

6523
05:04:42,050 --> 05:04:42,530
 properties

6524
05:04:42,530 --> 05:04:45,310
 with the mature trees and the privacy that our

6525
05:04:45,310 --> 05:04:48,200
 homes and yards have. So this building would

6526
05:04:48,200 --> 05:04:51,530
 would significantly impact the life of myself and

6527
05:04:51,530 --> 05:04:52,790
 my family.

6528
05:04:52,790 --> 05:04:54,910
 So for context, a handful of you have actually

6529
05:04:54,910 --> 05:04:56,770
 been in my backyard during your tours

6530
05:04:56,770 --> 05:04:59,080
 of the neighborhood in the proposed development

6531
05:04:59,080 --> 05:04:59,520
 site.

6532
05:04:59,520 --> 05:05:04,010
 I live adjacent to the site at 1537 Stony Brook

6533
05:05:04,010 --> 05:05:04,510
 Crescent.

6534
05:05:04,510 --> 05:05:07,330
 So the property where Royal Premier Homes

6535
05:05:07,330 --> 05:05:11,580
 has proposed this new building would be,

6536
05:05:11,580 --> 05:05:13,580
 our backyard is perpendicular to that

6537
05:05:13,580 --> 05:05:16,600
 of 525 Fanshawe Park Road.

6538
05:05:16,600 --> 05:05:19,280
 So that means our family would lose all privacy

6539
05:05:19,280 --> 05:05:22,390
 both in our backyard, as well as to the bedrooms,

6540
05:05:22,390 --> 05:05:24,230
 our living areas, and our bathrooms

6541
05:05:24,230 --> 05:05:25,950
 at the back of our house.

6542
05:05:25,950 --> 05:05:28,230
 I worry about the sound and the light

6543
05:05:28,230 --> 05:05:30,420
 that would pollute our yard in our house.

6544
05:05:30,420 --> 05:05:34,860
 Ultimately, this would disrupt our daily living.

6545
05:05:34,860 --> 05:05:36,980
 We moved to this house because of the privacy

6546
05:05:36,980 --> 05:05:38,410
 that it affords us.

6547
05:05:38,410 --> 05:05:40,890
 Currently, we have no windows and no homes

6548
05:05:40,890 --> 05:05:43,410
 behind us facing into our yard.

6549
05:05:43,410 --> 05:05:44,770
 I'm sure as you can understand

6550
05:05:44,770 --> 05:05:47,230
 going from privacy to having hundreds of new

6551
05:05:47,230 --> 05:05:49,560
 residents with the birds eye view into our yard

6552
05:05:49,560 --> 05:05:51,810
 and house feels devastating and it feels like a

6553
05:05:51,810 --> 05:05:54,120
 big invasion into our privacy in our personal

6554
05:05:54,120 --> 05:05:54,520
 lives.

6555
05:05:54,520 --> 05:05:57,630
 During the initial zoom meeting a few months ago

6556
05:05:57,630 --> 05:05:59,790
 with the developers I did

6557
05:05:59,790 --> 05:06:02,830
 raise my hand and ask what their plans were for

6558
05:06:02,830 --> 05:06:05,460
 privacy and the response indicated potentially

6559
05:06:05,460 --> 05:06:08,080
 more trees. However as my neighbor Kate just

6560
05:06:08,080 --> 05:06:10,820
 talked about the development plan actually shows

6561
05:06:10,820 --> 05:06:13,980
 the opposite it's going to remove dozens of trees

6562
05:06:13,980 --> 05:06:16,780
. I also have done some reading on trees and I don

6563
05:06:16,780 --> 05:06:16,970
't

6564
05:06:16,970 --> 05:06:19,520
 know that there are any large enough to give us

6565
05:06:19,520 --> 05:06:22,000
 privacy that would fit in a couple of meters

6566
05:06:22,000 --> 05:06:24,440
 between our fence and the building and the

6567
05:06:24,440 --> 05:06:27,760
 parking lot and just like have been mentioned by

6568
05:06:27,760 --> 05:06:28,000
 other

6569
05:06:28,000 --> 05:06:31,110
 neighbors the London Plan itself speaks about

6570
05:06:31,110 --> 05:06:34,300
 privacy and the fishbowl effect in our family

6571
05:06:34,300 --> 05:06:34,790
 would be

6572
05:06:34,790 --> 05:06:39,280
 in a fishbowl to this proposed development so as

6573
05:06:39,280 --> 05:06:43,680
 a resident neighboring this development site

6574
05:06:43,680 --> 05:06:46,780
 there's other concerns that I have for my family

6575
05:06:46,780 --> 05:06:49,760
 such as other people have mentioned the snowy

6576
05:06:49,760 --> 05:06:54,270
 winters where would the snow go when the parking

6577
05:06:54,270 --> 05:06:57,990
 lot is being plowed would it go against our fence

6578
05:06:57,990 --> 05:07:00,060
 where when the snow melts in the spring would

6579
05:07:00,060 --> 05:07:02,390
 that run into our backyard and into our basement

6580
05:07:02,390 --> 05:07:04,660
 so those are all things that are of concern to

6581
05:07:04,660 --> 05:07:07,260
 myself and my husband. Also, when the news

6582
05:07:07,260 --> 05:07:07,740
 recently

6583
05:07:07,740 --> 05:07:11,080
 has been talks about increased rodents in London,

6584
05:07:11,080 --> 05:07:13,660
 so thoughts of rats and mice going in our

6585
05:07:13,660 --> 05:07:14,210
 property

6586
05:07:14,210 --> 05:07:16,940
 doesn't sit well with us either. Of course,

6587
05:07:16,940 --> 05:07:19,620
 removing our personal situation of living

6588
05:07:19,620 --> 05:07:20,050
 directly

6589
05:07:20,050 --> 05:07:22,390
 beside the property, I have the same concerns

6590
05:07:22,390 --> 05:07:24,760
 that have been mentioned by neighbors, such as

6591
05:07:24,760 --> 05:07:24,920
 the

6592
05:07:24,920 --> 05:07:27,960
 parking, environmental impacts, the zoning not

6593
05:07:27,960 --> 05:07:31,230
 being respected, and the misrepresentation of

6594
05:07:31,230 --> 05:07:31,640
 height of

6595
05:07:31,640 --> 05:07:34,450
 the building. My two children walk to and from

6596
05:07:34,450 --> 05:07:36,750
 school each day and to get there they have to

6597
05:07:36,750 --> 05:07:37,070
 walk

6598
05:07:37,070 --> 05:07:39,930
 down Stony Brook Crescent and navigate a blind

6599
05:07:39,930 --> 05:07:42,670
 corner which already has no sidewalks. Then they

6600
05:07:42,670 --> 05:07:45,360
 would have to cross or they do cross Geary Ave

6601
05:07:45,360 --> 05:07:48,420
 where traffic would significantly increase with

6602
05:07:48,420 --> 05:07:50,670
 such a large development as one of my neighbors

6603
05:07:50,670 --> 05:07:53,220
 already touched on. And then finally my kids have

6604
05:07:53,220 --> 05:07:56,740
 to cross the already busy school zone. So again

6605
05:07:56,740 --> 05:08:00,010
 with an added 299 units I worry about their

6606
05:08:00,010 --> 05:08:00,410
 safety

6607
05:08:00,410 --> 05:08:04,240
 as well as the safety as other children and

6608
05:08:04,240 --> 05:08:06,570
 pedestrians of all types in the neighborhood.

6609
05:08:06,570 --> 05:08:09,940
 So in summary, I want to thank you. These are

6610
05:08:09,940 --> 05:08:11,920
 some of the reasons that I do not support the

6611
05:08:11,920 --> 05:08:14,480
 proposed development in its current state. An

6612
05:08:14,480 --> 05:08:16,800
 eight plus story building does not fit this

6613
05:08:16,800 --> 05:08:19,220
 neighborhood and maybe for developers we're just

6614
05:08:19,220 --> 05:08:21,830
 another family but for us this is life-changing.

6615
05:08:21,830 --> 05:08:24,110
 So I thank you for your time and I respectfully

6616
05:08:24,110 --> 05:08:26,150
 hope that you consider my points

6617
05:08:26,150 --> 05:08:28,150
 as well as the points that have been brought

6618
05:08:28,150 --> 05:08:30,310
 forward by our neighbors. Thank you.

6619
05:08:30,310 --> 05:08:33,390
 Thank you. I'll look for the next speaker. Please

6620
05:08:33,390 --> 05:08:35,190
 go ahead. Give us your name. You'll five minutes.

6621
05:08:35,190 --> 05:08:38,400
 Thank you. Good evening, Chair and members of the

6622
05:08:38,400 --> 05:08:39,910
 Planning and Environment Committee,

6623
05:08:39,910 --> 05:08:42,990
 members of Council and staff. I do thank you for

6624
05:08:42,990 --> 05:08:44,840
 the opportunity to speak regarding this

6625
05:08:44,840 --> 05:08:47,400
 proposed development at Fanshawe and Geary. My

6626
05:08:47,400 --> 05:08:50,570
 name is Rose Klein-Stiver and I am a resident

6627
05:08:50,570 --> 05:08:52,670
 of the Stony Brook neighborhood. I'm on Stony

6628
05:08:52,670 --> 05:08:56,200
 Brook Crescent on that straight away to that one

6629
05:08:56,200 --> 05:08:58,610
 set of traffic lights. The question that is

6630
05:08:58,610 --> 05:09:00,160
 before us is whether this proposal

6631
05:09:00,160 --> 05:09:02,980
 represents good planning and a livable form of

6632
05:09:02,980 --> 05:09:04,120
 intensification.

6633
05:09:04,120 --> 05:09:07,100
 I am here today asking committee to uphold staff

6634
05:09:07,100 --> 05:09:08,260
's recommendation of

6635
05:09:08,260 --> 05:09:12,800
 refusal. Residents are not opposed to growth and

6636
05:09:12,800 --> 05:09:12,900
 appropriate density.

6637
05:09:12,800 --> 05:09:16,800
 I agree with the principal building up and out.

6638
05:09:16,800 --> 05:09:16,900
 My grandma's on our 100 acre family

6639
05:09:16,800 --> 05:09:19,190
 farm that my dad grew up on, so I see the value

6640
05:09:19,190 --> 05:09:20,750
 of curbing urban sprawl.

6641
05:09:20,750 --> 05:09:24,800
 But building up does not mean building as high or

6642
05:09:24,800 --> 05:09:24,900
 as dense as possible

6643
05:09:24,800 --> 05:09:26,640
 possible on every site.

6644
05:09:26,640 --> 05:09:28,540
 It means building thoughtfully.

6645
05:09:28,540 --> 05:09:30,700
 What we want to refuse is the over-intens

6646
05:09:30,700 --> 05:09:31,640
ification

6647
05:09:31,640 --> 05:09:34,230
 that exceeds the scale, density, and character

6648
05:09:34,230 --> 05:09:36,370
 of established neighborhoods, while leaving the

6649
05:09:36,370 --> 05:09:36,850
 residents

6650
05:09:36,850 --> 05:09:39,000
 to absorb the consequences.

6651
05:09:39,000 --> 05:09:41,060
 When a development requires numerous special

6652
05:09:41,060 --> 05:09:41,620
 provisions

6653
05:09:41,620 --> 05:09:43,690
 and pushes density beyond what a site can

6654
05:09:43,690 --> 05:09:45,270
 reasonably accommodate,

6655
05:09:45,270 --> 05:09:47,300
 the livability suffers.

6656
05:09:47,300 --> 05:09:49,560
 This is precisely why staff have recommended

6657
05:09:49,560 --> 05:09:50,680
 refusal.

6658
05:09:50,680 --> 05:09:53,010
 Our concerns are not theoretical.

6659
05:09:53,010 --> 05:09:54,770
 They are practical issues that residents

6660
05:09:54,770 --> 05:09:58,060
 to live with long after construction is complete.

6661
05:09:58,060 --> 05:10:00,110
 I have three main topics to speak of.

6662
05:10:00,110 --> 05:10:02,410
 First, as Megan touched on,

6663
05:10:02,410 --> 05:10:04,970
 was snow storage and site functionality.

6664
05:10:04,970 --> 05:10:06,950
 With the reduced setbacks and numerous special

6665
05:10:06,950 --> 05:10:07,500
 provisions

6666
05:10:07,500 --> 05:10:09,750
 being requested, where will this snow go?

6667
05:10:09,750 --> 05:10:11,850
 And as Councillor Stevenson alluded to,

6668
05:10:11,850 --> 05:10:16,390
 the longest winter known to man just passed.

6669
05:10:16,390 --> 05:10:18,240
 So we can all acknowledge and appreciate

6670
05:10:18,240 --> 05:10:21,480
 that snow management is not a minor detail.

6671
05:10:21,480 --> 05:10:23,590
 Will it be piled against neighborhood fences?

6672
05:10:23,590 --> 05:10:26,620
 will it eliminate the already limited parking

6673
05:10:26,620 --> 05:10:27,160
 spaces?

6674
05:10:27,160 --> 05:10:29,470
 Will it spill onto the adjacent properties?

6675
05:10:29,470 --> 05:10:32,010
 And as a gentleman in Italy alluded to as well

6676
05:10:32,010 --> 05:10:35,040
 was the drain off and the salt content of that

6677
05:10:35,040 --> 05:10:35,670
 snow.

6678
05:10:35,670 --> 05:10:37,520
 These questions remain unanswered

6679
05:10:37,520 --> 05:10:39,080
 and yet residents will be expected

6680
05:10:39,080 --> 05:10:40,930
 to live with the consequences.

6681
05:10:40,930 --> 05:10:43,050
 Secondly is waste management.

6682
05:10:43,050 --> 05:10:45,300
 The staff report specifically notes

6683
05:10:45,300 --> 05:10:47,320
 that the site layout does not demonstrate

6684
05:10:47,320 --> 05:10:48,260
 sufficient space

6685
05:10:48,260 --> 05:10:51,050
 to accommodate waste collection operations.

6686
05:10:51,050 --> 05:10:52,390
 This proposal seeks approval

6687
05:10:52,390 --> 05:10:54,670
 despite failing to show how waste generated

6688
05:10:54,670 --> 05:10:57,350
 by hundreds of residents will be managed.

6689
05:10:57,350 --> 05:10:59,990
 Of particular concern is the location of waste

6690
05:10:59,990 --> 05:11:00,710
 facilities

6691
05:11:00,710 --> 05:11:04,660
 directly adjacent to existing homes on Geary Ave,

6692
05:11:04,660 --> 05:11:06,770
 particularly a living room window.

6693
05:11:06,770 --> 05:11:08,720
 Again, residents are left asking

6694
05:11:08,720 --> 05:11:11,050
 how exactly are neighboring properties being

6695
05:11:11,050 --> 05:11:11,780
 protected.

6696
05:11:11,780 --> 05:11:13,810
 Staff's concern about waste management

6697
05:11:13,810 --> 05:11:15,830
 supports the broader conclusion

6698
05:11:15,830 --> 05:11:18,090
 that the site is being over intensified

6699
05:11:18,090 --> 05:11:20,580
 and lacks sufficient space for the practical

6700
05:11:20,580 --> 05:11:21,220
 needs

6701
05:11:21,220 --> 05:11:23,620
 of nearly 300 units.

6702
05:11:23,620 --> 05:11:25,280
 These are not issues that should be deferred

6703
05:11:25,280 --> 05:11:26,870
 to site plan approval.

6704
05:11:26,870 --> 05:11:29,240
 These two issues above must be addressed

6705
05:11:29,240 --> 05:11:31,140
 in any future proposal for the site

6706
05:11:31,140 --> 05:11:34,010
 and not be left for vague consideration during

6707
05:11:34,010 --> 05:11:34,910
 site plan.

6708
05:11:34,910 --> 05:11:35,720
 They should be resolved

6709
05:11:35,720 --> 05:11:39,030
 before any zoning approval is granted.

6710
05:11:39,030 --> 05:11:40,530
 Lastly is the traffic and safety

6711
05:11:40,530 --> 05:11:42,140
 which we have already talked about

6712
05:11:42,140 --> 05:11:44,980
 but particularly the cut through traffic.

6713
05:11:44,980 --> 05:11:47,040
 School zone should be among the safest places in

6714
05:11:47,040 --> 05:11:47,480
 our city

6715
05:11:47,480 --> 05:11:49,850
 and residents of Stony Brook as we've alluded to

6716
05:11:49,850 --> 05:11:51,830
 have no firsthand of how the vehicles move

6717
05:11:51,830 --> 05:11:53,580
 through the neighborhood where we cut through the

6718
05:11:53,580 --> 05:11:55,650
 residential streets, where the children

6719
05:11:55,650 --> 05:11:58,050
 walk, bike, and cross those roads every day, some

6720
05:11:58,050 --> 05:12:00,520
 of which don't have those sidewalks including

6721
05:12:00,520 --> 05:12:03,220
 my four-year-old and six-year-old daughters.

6722
05:12:03,220 --> 05:12:05,150
 Any development that increases cut-through

6723
05:12:05,150 --> 05:12:07,320
 traffic must be carefully scrutinized and child

6724
05:12:07,320 --> 05:12:09,930
 safety must take precedence over a developer's

6725
05:12:09,930 --> 05:12:10,700
 interest.

6726
05:12:10,700 --> 05:12:12,880
 As Deputy Mayor Lewis also spoke to in his

6727
05:12:12,880 --> 05:12:15,510
 previous item in his neighborhood, the time

6728
05:12:15,510 --> 05:12:19,140
 doesn't stop after 330 for children's safety.

6729
05:12:19,140 --> 05:12:22,830
 a dual purpose of Stony Brook at Stony Brook

6730
05:12:22,830 --> 05:12:23,580
 Public School

6731
05:12:23,580 --> 05:12:25,590
 is used for organized sports that happens on

6732
05:12:25,590 --> 05:12:26,110
 evenings

6733
05:12:26,110 --> 05:12:27,890
 and weekends and Hastings Park

6734
05:12:27,890 --> 05:12:30,680
 that is also in the background there.

6735
05:12:30,680 --> 05:12:32,470
 I am a pediatric registered nurse here

6736
05:12:32,470 --> 05:12:34,250
 at Children's Hospital at Vic

6737
05:12:34,250 --> 05:12:36,510
 and we need to not have a critical incident

6738
05:12:36,510 --> 05:12:38,610
 to make us realize that this is a problem.

6739
05:12:38,610 --> 05:12:41,560
 We wanna be proactive about this and not reactive

6740
05:12:41,560 --> 05:12:41,660
.

6741
05:12:41,570 --> 05:12:43,400
 So I would urge committee members to consider

6742
05:12:43,400 --> 05:12:45,140
 whether the traffic impact assessment

6743
05:12:45,140 --> 05:12:47,440
 truly reflects neighborhood realities

6744
05:12:47,440 --> 05:12:48,950
 and whether children's safety

6745
05:12:48,950 --> 05:12:51,090
 and all of our vulnerable road users

6746
05:12:51,090 --> 05:12:53,060
 have been given the weight it deserves.

6747
05:12:53,060 --> 05:12:54,440
 I'm almost there.

6748
05:12:54,440 --> 05:12:55,520
 Beyond these concerns,

6749
05:12:55,520 --> 05:12:57,860
 residents will also face increased noise like

6750
05:12:57,860 --> 05:12:58,510
 pollution.

6751
05:12:58,510 --> 05:13:00,780
 Remember, no trees to mitigate this impact.

6752
05:13:00,780 --> 05:13:03,730
 Overflow parking, loss of privacy, litter,

6753
05:13:03,730 --> 05:13:06,560
 and individually these may seem like minor items,

6754
05:13:06,560 --> 05:13:08,600
 but together they fundamentally change the

6755
05:13:08,600 --> 05:13:09,180
 experience

6756
05:13:09,180 --> 05:13:10,660
 of living in our community.

6757
05:13:10,660 --> 05:13:11,500
 - For two seconds.

6758
05:13:11,500 --> 05:13:13,210
 - Oh gosh, contributing to the degradation

6759
05:13:13,210 --> 05:13:15,640
 of the community's livability.

6760
05:13:15,640 --> 05:13:17,110
 This is not compatible growth.

6761
05:13:17,110 --> 05:13:19,360
 It is over intensification.

6762
05:13:19,360 --> 05:13:20,970
 It is not the right fit for this site,

6763
05:13:20,970 --> 05:13:22,360
 and I respectfully ask committee

6764
05:13:22,360 --> 05:13:23,940
 to support staff's recommendation

6765
05:13:23,940 --> 05:13:25,690
 to protect the livability of Stony Brook

6766
05:13:25,690 --> 05:13:27,590
 and refuse this application.

6767
05:13:27,590 --> 05:13:29,820
 Thank you so much for your time, your attention,

6768
05:13:29,820 --> 05:13:31,540
 and your consideration.

6769
05:13:31,540 --> 05:13:35,720
 - Thank you, go to the next speaker.

6770
05:13:35,720 --> 05:13:37,220
 Please sir, give us your name, you have five

6771
05:13:37,220 --> 05:13:37,980
 minutes.

6772
05:13:37,980 --> 05:13:39,170
 - My name is Clark Kufniggles,

6773
05:13:39,170 --> 05:13:41,250
 and I'm a Stony Brook resident.

6774
05:13:41,250 --> 05:13:43,590
 I wanna start with a bit of personal context,

6775
05:13:43,590 --> 05:13:45,720
 because I think it's relevant here.

6776
05:13:45,720 --> 05:13:48,910
 I lived in New York City in a 25 story building

6777
05:13:48,910 --> 05:13:50,850
 before moving to London.

6778
05:13:50,850 --> 05:13:52,750
 I'm not someone who is opposed to density

6779
05:13:52,750 --> 05:13:55,430
 intensification. I understand what it looks like.

6780
05:13:55,430 --> 05:13:57,570
 I understand what it requires, and I understand

6781
05:13:57,570 --> 05:14:00,490
 the trade-offs. So when I stand here asking for a

6782
05:14:00,490 --> 05:14:03,100
 refusal, I want to be clear that this is not a

6783
05:14:03,100 --> 05:14:07,160
 knee-jerk reaction to change. I deliberately

6784
05:14:07,160 --> 05:14:09,950
 chose Stony Brook neighborhood as the place I

6785
05:14:09,950 --> 05:14:10,340
 wanted to

6786
05:14:10,340 --> 05:14:13,710
 raise my kids. We moved during COVID. My wife and

6787
05:14:13,710 --> 05:14:16,390
 I had the ability to move anywhere in the US and

6788
05:14:16,390 --> 05:14:19,170
 Canada, and we chose London. And not anywhere in

6789
05:14:19,170 --> 05:14:22,470
 London. We chose Stony Brook. It's the only

6790
05:14:22,470 --> 05:14:25,330
 neighborhood that we looked at. Not because of a

6791
05:14:25,330 --> 05:14:28,610
 school ranking or commute time. We chose it

6792
05:14:28,610 --> 05:14:30,740
 because it was a place where my three kids could

6793
05:14:30,740 --> 05:14:32,930
 learn to ride their bikes outside where they

6794
05:14:32,930 --> 05:14:33,170
 could

6795
05:14:33,170 --> 05:14:35,660
 walk to a friend's house on their own and could

6796
05:14:35,660 --> 05:14:39,160
 play in the front yard safely. Those things sound

6797
05:14:39,160 --> 05:14:41,800
 small but they're not. They're the things that

6798
05:14:41,800 --> 05:14:44,120
 are disappearing in a lot of our cities and they

6799
05:14:44,120 --> 05:14:44,220
're

6800
05:14:44,190 --> 05:14:47,510
 worth protecting. These are the kinds of

6801
05:14:47,510 --> 05:14:50,210
 neighborhoods where families come to raise their

6802
05:14:50,210 --> 05:14:51,340
 kids and people

6803
05:14:51,340 --> 05:14:54,780
 state for as long as they can. These

6804
05:14:54,780 --> 05:14:57,110
 neighborhoods deserve to be preserved,

6805
05:14:57,110 --> 05:14:59,750
 not because they're historic, not because they

6806
05:14:59,750 --> 05:15:01,830
 have some special designation, but

6807
05:15:01,830 --> 05:15:04,030
 because they work, and once you lose it, you don

6808
05:15:04,030 --> 05:15:06,640
't get it back. Now to the proposal

6809
05:15:06,640 --> 05:15:09,980
 itself. Good news, and I mean this generally, I

6810
05:15:09,980 --> 05:15:11,980
've been inspired by this

6811
05:15:11,980 --> 05:15:14,650
 process, is that the city's own planning process

6812
05:15:14,650 --> 05:15:16,600
 is working. City staff are

6813
05:15:16,600 --> 05:15:20,010
 recommending a full refusal of the proposal. Our

6814
05:15:20,010 --> 05:15:21,490
 bylaws exist for a reason

6815
05:15:21,490 --> 05:15:24,160
 and the planners are applying them correctly.

6816
05:15:24,160 --> 05:15:25,050
 That's not a failure,

6817
05:15:25,050 --> 05:15:27,070
 this is the system doing exactly what it's

6818
05:15:27,070 --> 05:15:28,050
 supposed to do.

6819
05:15:28,050 --> 05:15:30,220
 And all that's left is for the committee

6820
05:15:30,220 --> 05:15:32,040
 to respect that work.

6821
05:15:32,040 --> 05:15:34,620
 The part of the proposal that I'm most concerned

6822
05:15:34,620 --> 05:15:35,170
 about

6823
05:15:35,170 --> 05:15:37,280
 is the Geary lot that is zoned

6824
05:15:37,280 --> 05:15:39,490
 as an R1 residential property.

6825
05:15:39,490 --> 05:15:41,110
 The Geary lot has nothing to do

6826
05:15:41,110 --> 05:15:43,360
 with Fanshawe Transportation Corridor.

6827
05:15:43,360 --> 05:15:46,160
 Geary lot is moving from a one unit,

6828
05:15:46,160 --> 05:15:50,680
 which it has right now per hectare, to 395 units.

6829
05:15:50,680 --> 05:15:53,060
 This is a clear case of development creep

6830
05:15:53,060 --> 05:15:55,230
 into a residential neighborhood.

6831
05:15:55,230 --> 05:15:57,590
 Just because an R1 property is adjacent

6832
05:15:57,590 --> 05:16:00,080
 to another property with a different zone

6833
05:16:00,080 --> 05:16:02,370
 does not mean that R1 properties should be

6834
05:16:02,370 --> 05:16:03,870
 changed.

6835
05:16:03,870 --> 05:16:05,380
 And there's more good news here.

6836
05:16:05,380 --> 05:16:07,940
 Council has already acknowledged this concern

6837
05:16:07,940 --> 05:16:10,380
 when they ruled on the Dunboin proposal.

6838
05:16:10,380 --> 05:16:11,750
 When a development tried to creep

6839
05:16:11,750 --> 05:16:13,110
 into a residential neighborhood,

6840
05:16:13,110 --> 05:16:15,850
 the planner said no, the planning committee said

6841
05:16:15,850 --> 05:16:15,990
 no,

6842
05:16:15,990 --> 05:16:17,280
 council said no.

6843
05:16:17,280 --> 05:16:18,380
 That precedent matters

6844
05:16:18,380 --> 05:16:20,650
 because that's what we're looking at here on Gary

6845
05:16:20,650 --> 05:16:21,600
.

6846
05:16:21,600 --> 05:16:23,310
 The system is working.

6847
05:16:23,310 --> 05:16:25,050
 The planners have done their job.

6848
05:16:25,050 --> 05:16:26,890
 The Dunboyne president is there.

6849
05:16:26,890 --> 05:16:28,830
 All that's left is for committee to follow that

6850
05:16:28,830 --> 05:16:30,210
 recommendation

6851
05:16:30,210 --> 05:16:32,830
 and vote for a full refusal.

6852
05:16:32,830 --> 05:16:35,060
 Thank you for your time.

6853
05:16:35,060 --> 05:16:42,590
 - Thank you, I'll go look to the next speaker.

6854
05:16:42,590 --> 05:16:44,100
 Please sir, give us your name, you'll five

6855
05:16:44,100 --> 05:16:44,770
 minutes.

6856
05:16:44,770 --> 05:16:45,730
 - Thank you everyone.

6857
05:16:45,730 --> 05:16:48,240
 My name's Julian Hathaway and I'm a resident

6858
05:16:48,240 --> 05:16:50,460
 of the Stonebrook community.

6859
05:16:50,460 --> 05:16:52,500
 I wanna begin by saying clearly that I'm not

6860
05:16:52,500 --> 05:16:52,990
 opposed

6861
05:16:52,990 --> 05:16:54,140
 to the development in our neighborhood.

6862
05:16:54,140 --> 05:16:56,160
 I understand London needs more housing,

6863
05:16:56,160 --> 05:16:58,060
 I understand infill is important,

6864
05:16:58,060 --> 05:17:00,140
 and I understand the other city has to grow.

6865
05:17:00,140 --> 05:17:03,720
 My concern is not that we want something built on

6866
05:17:03,720 --> 05:17:03,870
 the site.

6867
05:17:03,870 --> 05:17:05,710
 My concern is the proposal is too large for the

6868
05:17:05,710 --> 05:17:06,270
 location

6869
05:17:06,270 --> 05:17:09,410
 and mainly the traffic that it will create.

6870
05:17:09,410 --> 05:17:10,940
 My son is seven years old.

6871
05:17:10,940 --> 05:17:12,460
 I have the privilege of walking him to school

6872
05:17:12,460 --> 05:17:13,720
 every day.

6873
05:17:13,720 --> 05:17:17,730
 We live on the other side of Hastings.

6874
05:17:17,730 --> 05:17:19,880
 We cut onto Hastings Gate and we make a right

6875
05:17:19,880 --> 05:17:21,230
 onto Stony Brook.

6876
05:17:21,230 --> 05:17:24,530
 If you visited the school between 8.30 and 9,

6877
05:17:24,530 --> 05:17:26,280
 I believe, Council Raymond, you saw the traffic

6878
05:17:26,280 --> 05:17:26,790
 conditions

6879
05:17:26,790 --> 05:17:27,790
 in the morning.

6880
05:17:27,790 --> 05:17:30,190
 It's a zoo and that's just with the school's

6881
05:17:30,190 --> 05:17:30,730
 traffic.

6882
05:17:30,730 --> 05:17:33,030
 that's the parents dropping them off.

6883
05:17:33,030 --> 05:17:34,930
 My son next year wants to start walking himself

6884
05:17:34,930 --> 05:17:35,560
 to school.

6885
05:17:35,560 --> 05:17:37,170
 I don't think we're gonna let him walk to school

6886
05:17:37,170 --> 05:17:38,940
 if we're gonna have additional 200 cars,

6887
05:17:38,940 --> 05:17:40,840
 potentially coming down Stony Brook,

6888
05:17:40,840 --> 05:17:42,530
 'cause like everyone's mentioned,

6889
05:17:42,530 --> 05:17:44,990
 if you try to make a left onto Fanshawe,

6890
05:17:44,990 --> 05:17:46,220
 you're gonna make a right,

6891
05:17:46,220 --> 05:17:48,440
 or you're gonna turn around, just like we do.

6892
05:17:48,440 --> 05:17:50,960
 We go to Haysin' Gates, we go on the Stony Brook,

6893
05:17:50,960 --> 05:17:52,360
 and then we make a left on that light

6894
05:17:52,360 --> 05:17:54,910
 if you have to get to Fanshawe.

6895
05:17:54,910 --> 05:17:56,530
 The proposed development would add a significant

6896
05:17:56,530 --> 05:17:56,770
 number

6897
05:17:56,770 --> 05:17:58,460
 of units and vehicles to the site

6898
05:17:58,460 --> 05:18:00,030
 that connect directly to the residential

6899
05:18:00,030 --> 05:18:00,430
 neighborhoods

6900
05:18:00,430 --> 05:18:02,970
 and towards Stony Brook.

6901
05:18:02,970 --> 05:18:04,740
 Even with the provider's proposal,

6902
05:18:04,740 --> 05:18:06,850
 the main access is still tied to Gary

6903
05:18:06,850 --> 05:18:08,990
 with only a secondary access on Fanshawe.

6904
05:18:08,990 --> 05:18:10,790
 That means traffic will still be drawn into

6905
05:18:10,790 --> 05:18:11,560
 neighborhood,

6906
05:18:11,560 --> 05:18:13,660
 and many drivers will logically use Gary

6907
05:18:13,660 --> 05:18:15,270
 and Stony Brook Crescent to move through the

6908
05:18:15,270 --> 05:18:16,630
 neighborhood.

6909
05:18:16,630 --> 05:18:19,020
 That is especially concerning to my son,

6910
05:18:19,020 --> 05:18:20,640
 his friends who live on Stony Brook.

6911
05:18:20,640 --> 05:18:24,260
 They all walk drop off times and pick up times,

6912
05:18:24,260 --> 05:18:25,330
 and neighborhood are already busy,

6913
05:18:25,330 --> 05:18:26,910
 then you're gonna add Uber drivers,

6914
05:18:26,910 --> 05:18:29,870
 you're gonna add Amazon deliveries.

6915
05:18:29,870 --> 05:18:31,840
 Those guys are very quick, they zip through the

6916
05:18:31,840 --> 05:18:32,630
 neighborhood,

6917
05:18:32,630 --> 05:18:34,220
 adding that level of traffic increases

6918
05:18:34,220 --> 05:18:35,860
 the number of potential conflicts

6919
05:18:35,860 --> 05:18:39,680
 between vehicles and children.

6920
05:18:39,680 --> 05:18:42,310
 We've heard that if the problems arise,

6921
05:18:42,310 --> 05:18:45,020
 traffic calming measures can be considered

6922
05:18:45,020 --> 05:18:45,850
 at a later point.

6923
05:18:45,850 --> 05:18:48,000
 Respectfully, I think that is backwards approach

6924
05:18:48,000 --> 05:18:50,060
 when children's safety is involved.

6925
05:18:50,060 --> 05:18:51,910
 prudent city planning should anticipate

6926
05:18:51,910 --> 05:18:53,960
 foreseeable risks and require changes

6927
05:18:53,960 --> 05:18:55,070
 before those risks are placed

6928
05:18:55,070 --> 05:18:58,380
 on families walking to school.

6929
05:18:58,380 --> 05:18:59,770
 The right development for the site

6930
05:18:59,770 --> 05:19:03,180
 should have direct access on and off of Fanshawe

6931
05:19:03,180 --> 05:19:05,450
 and not through Gary towards the school route.

6932
05:19:05,450 --> 05:19:07,520
 It should include proper planning for deliveries,

6933
05:19:07,520 --> 05:19:09,970
 drop off, visitor parking, service vehicles.

6934
05:19:09,970 --> 05:19:11,610
 It should also be scaled in a way that fits the

6935
05:19:11,610 --> 05:19:13,230
 neighborhood and encourages long-term

6936
05:19:13,230 --> 05:19:16,070
 residents to become part of the community.

6937
05:19:16,070 --> 05:19:19,850
 We've already seen examples of buildings with

6938
05:19:19,850 --> 05:19:22,970
 access onto Fanshawe, 420 Fanshawe.

6939
05:19:22,970 --> 05:19:25,950
 The bill has direct access onto Fanshawe and not

6940
05:19:25,950 --> 05:19:28,650
 to Donnie Brook, which is directly behind

6941
05:19:28,650 --> 05:19:29,910
 it.

6942
05:19:29,910 --> 05:19:31,490
 Density can strengthen the community when it's

6943
05:19:31,490 --> 05:19:32,820
 done thoughtfully, but density without

6944
05:19:32,820 --> 05:19:34,770
 sufficient parking, without proper access,

6945
05:19:34,770 --> 05:19:36,690
 without safe traffic planning, and without

6946
05:19:36,690 --> 05:19:38,790
 adequate outdoor space does not build community.

6947
05:19:38,790 --> 05:19:41,880
 It creates turnover pressure and risk. I

6948
05:19:41,880 --> 05:19:42,280
 respectfully

6949
05:19:42,280 --> 05:19:44,130
 ask the council to refuse the current proposal

6950
05:19:44,130 --> 05:19:45,990
 and send a clear message that the development

6951
05:19:45,990 --> 05:19:48,560
 in Stony Brook must be responsible appropriately

6952
05:19:48,560 --> 05:19:50,690
 scaled and designed around the safety of our

6953
05:19:50,690 --> 05:19:53,470
 children and family who live there. Thank you.

6954
05:19:53,470 --> 05:20:04,930
 Thank you. Look for the next speaker. Please give

6955
05:20:04,930 --> 05:20:07,660
 us your name. You have five minutes. I'm Beth Ton

6956
05:20:07,660 --> 05:20:10,750
kin. I live in Stony Brook. World Premier

6957
05:20:10,750 --> 05:20:13,280
 Homes proposed development doesn't just push the

6958
05:20:13,280 --> 05:20:15,790
 limits of our planning regulations. It completely

6959
05:20:15,790 --> 05:20:19,400
 shatters them. This project crams so many units

6960
05:20:19,400 --> 05:20:22,820
 onto the site that it will have 189 more units

6961
05:20:22,820 --> 05:20:25,850
 in the R9 density they're applying for actually

6962
05:20:25,850 --> 05:20:27,760
 allows. It cuts into the neighborhood by

6963
05:20:27,760 --> 05:20:28,160
 including

6964
05:20:28,160 --> 05:20:30,660
 the interior single-family gerry lot. It adds

6965
05:20:30,660 --> 05:20:33,330
 another 200 cars to a street that leads to a

6966
05:20:33,330 --> 05:20:33,650
 school

6967
05:20:33,650 --> 05:20:36,940
 zone with known safety concerns. Traffic calming

6968
05:20:36,940 --> 05:20:39,720
 road work is literally being installed today.

6969
05:20:39,720 --> 05:20:42,930
 It exceeds setback limits so much that will end

6970
05:20:42,930 --> 05:20:45,400
 up with a nine-story building only eight

6971
05:20:45,400 --> 05:20:48,190
 meters away from a family home obliterating their

6972
05:20:48,190 --> 05:20:50,890
 view, privacy, and sunlight. It's only one meter

6973
05:20:50,890 --> 05:20:53,410
 from Fanshawe severely limiting bike paths and

6974
05:20:53,410 --> 05:20:55,820
 future road expansion. It disrespects the

6975
05:20:55,820 --> 05:20:56,220
 planning

6976
05:20:56,220 --> 05:20:58,560
 process by submitting it as an eight-story

6977
05:20:58,560 --> 05:21:01,280
 building when it has a ninth floor, maybe and a

6978
05:21:01,280 --> 05:21:01,820
 half.

6979
05:21:01,820 --> 05:21:04,880
 It doesn't match the neighborhood character. It

6980
05:21:04,880 --> 05:21:07,450
 looks like the big box stores down the street

6981
05:21:07,450 --> 05:21:09,510
 rather than the beautiful neighborhood that it

6982
05:21:09,510 --> 05:21:12,180
 would be surrounded by. It proposes clear

6983
05:21:12,180 --> 05:21:15,260
 cutting 100% of the trees on the site completely

6984
05:21:15,260 --> 05:21:17,990
 ignoring the city's urban forest strategy

6985
05:21:17,990 --> 05:21:20,770
 and also doesn't meet minimum landscaped area

6986
05:21:20,770 --> 05:21:23,560
 requirements. It's being built by a developer

6987
05:21:23,560 --> 05:21:26,660
 that can't even handle proper waste management

6988
05:21:26,660 --> 05:21:30,090
 for a neighboring 42-unit complex they already

6989
05:21:30,090 --> 05:21:33,210
 own, but they say they're going to do it for

6990
05:21:33,210 --> 05:21:36,780
 another 299 units and ultimately it will make

6991
05:21:36,780 --> 05:21:39,450
 Stony Brook, a worse place to live.

6992
05:21:39,450 --> 05:21:42,420
 The excuses for justifying it are not grounded in

6993
05:21:42,420 --> 05:21:43,390
 reality.

6994
05:21:43,390 --> 05:21:45,310
 It won't stop urban sprawl.

6995
05:21:45,310 --> 05:21:47,520
 Projects that eat up farmland are still being

6996
05:21:47,520 --> 05:21:48,090
 approved

6997
05:21:48,090 --> 05:21:50,840
 despite the new construction that's happening.

6998
05:21:50,840 --> 05:21:53,350
 The narrative is that we need housing supply,

6999
05:21:53,350 --> 05:21:55,620
 but the plan submitted show it will be mainly one

7000
05:21:55,620 --> 05:21:56,140
 bedroom,

7001
05:21:56,140 --> 05:21:59,790
 600 square foot luxury units representing the

7002
05:21:59,790 --> 05:22:00,520
 unit type

7003
05:22:00,520 --> 05:22:03,630
 and price point with the highest vacancy levels

7004
05:22:03,630 --> 05:22:07,260
 London has seen in the last 15 years.

7005
05:22:07,260 --> 05:22:10,580
 I'm sick of trickle down economic style arguments

7006
05:22:10,580 --> 05:22:12,570
 to defend this sort of development.

7007
05:22:12,570 --> 05:22:14,840
 The most direct and meaningful way to meet

7008
05:22:14,840 --> 05:22:15,630
 housing needs

7009
05:22:15,630 --> 05:22:18,060
 is by building what is actually needed,

7010
05:22:18,060 --> 05:22:20,560
 not flooding the market with what isn't

7011
05:22:20,560 --> 05:22:23,040
 and hoping things eventually shake out and lower

7012
05:22:23,040 --> 05:22:24,330
 rents.

7013
05:22:24,330 --> 05:22:26,430
 And while we're on the topic of supply,

7014
05:22:26,430 --> 05:22:28,730
 intensification is not an excuse for over

7015
05:22:28,730 --> 05:22:29,680
development.

7016
05:22:29,680 --> 05:22:33,530
 You don't need to go from four units to 299

7017
05:22:33,530 --> 05:22:35,520
 to achieve intensification.

7018
05:22:35,520 --> 05:22:38,020
 There are a whole lot of numbers in between.

7019
05:22:38,020 --> 05:22:40,560
 On top of that, our city isn't so full

7020
05:22:40,560 --> 05:22:42,070
 that we have to carve up neighborhoods

7021
05:22:42,070 --> 05:22:44,060
 that we rely on to attract people to

7022
05:22:44,060 --> 05:22:46,200
 and keep people in London, people like Clark,

7023
05:22:46,200 --> 05:22:47,720
 people like myself.

7024
05:22:47,720 --> 05:22:50,420
 There are many info locations including vacant

7025
05:22:50,420 --> 05:22:52,170
 and boarded up high density buildings

7026
05:22:52,170 --> 05:22:55,400
 that would benefit from this kind of investment.

7027
05:22:55,400 --> 05:22:57,450
 You'd think with everything I just listed,

7028
05:22:57,450 --> 05:22:59,020
 this would be an easy no.

7029
05:22:59,020 --> 05:23:01,450
 But we've had to organize against this project

7030
05:23:01,450 --> 05:23:02,290
 four months

7031
05:23:02,290 --> 05:23:04,530
 including trudging door to door through the

7032
05:23:04,530 --> 05:23:05,200
 winter snow,

7033
05:23:05,200 --> 05:23:06,990
 more door knocking through the spring,

7034
05:23:06,990 --> 05:23:10,060
 242 emails sent by community members to the city

7035
05:23:10,060 --> 05:23:13,560
 opposing it, 717 signatures on petitions,

7036
05:23:13,560 --> 05:23:15,820
 launching and managing social media channels and

7037
05:23:15,820 --> 05:23:16,110
 groups,

7038
05:23:16,110 --> 05:23:18,150
 designing, printing and installing street signs,

7039
05:23:18,150 --> 05:23:20,300
 giving up our privacy to speak to the media,

7040
05:23:20,300 --> 05:23:21,810
 attending community meetings,

7041
05:23:21,810 --> 05:23:25,440
 hosting Council for individual neighborhood tours

7042
05:23:25,440 --> 05:23:25,540
,

7043
05:23:25,440 --> 05:23:28,350
 and enduring the design firm calling us

7044
05:23:28,350 --> 05:23:31,820
 uninformed and uneducated in London Free Press

7045
05:23:31,820 --> 05:23:35,640
 and CTV news.

7046
05:23:35,640 --> 05:23:39,300
 This is why public trust is broken.

7047
05:23:39,300 --> 05:23:41,040
 We need to be able to rely on our city

7048
05:23:41,040 --> 05:23:43,140
 to stop this sort of nonsense in its tracks

7049
05:23:43,140 --> 05:23:45,430
 without donating countless hours of community

7050
05:23:45,430 --> 05:23:45,860
 time

7051
05:23:45,860 --> 05:23:47,850
 and taxpayer dollars.

7052
05:23:47,850 --> 05:23:50,130
 To be clear, we aren't asking you to block all

7053
05:23:50,130 --> 05:23:51,150
 development.

7054
05:23:51,150 --> 05:23:52,860
 While countries around the world are trying to

7055
05:23:52,860 --> 05:23:53,290
 figure out

7056
05:23:53,290 --> 05:23:55,190
 how to raise birth rates and attract people to

7057
05:23:55,190 --> 05:23:55,670
 live there,

7058
05:23:55,670 --> 05:23:57,960
 we have the gift of population growth.

7059
05:23:57,960 --> 05:24:00,120
 Let's stop treating it as a disaster to be

7060
05:24:00,120 --> 05:24:01,060
 managed

7061
05:24:01,060 --> 05:24:03,680
 and start recognizing it for what it really is,

7062
05:24:03,680 --> 05:24:06,080
 an opportunity to be harnessed.

7063
05:24:06,080 --> 05:24:08,180
 Growth should be used to enrich our city

7064
05:24:08,180 --> 05:24:10,830
 and make it a better place to live for everyone.

7065
05:24:10,830 --> 05:24:13,480
 It is not an excuse to let developers build over

7066
05:24:13,480 --> 05:24:14,970
 our neighborhoods.

7067
05:24:14,970 --> 05:24:17,130
 Councillor ramen is answering the call to action

7068
05:24:17,130 --> 05:24:20,170
 and I believe later, we'll be sharing her request

7069
05:24:20,170 --> 05:24:22,640
 for a letter to the province, bravely fighting

7070
05:24:22,640 --> 05:24:26,120
 to return or to add community voices to the OLT.

7071
05:24:26,120 --> 05:24:27,770
 She's doing it knowing she has colleagues

7072
05:24:27,770 --> 05:24:30,080
 who will work to undermine this.

7073
05:24:30,080 --> 05:24:32,220
 To the rest of council, including those of you

7074
05:24:32,220 --> 05:24:35,240
 not present today, many of you have offered your

7075
05:24:35,240 --> 05:24:35,430
 time

7076
05:24:35,430 --> 05:24:37,490
 and support and we genuinely thank you.

7077
05:24:37,490 --> 05:24:38,320
 - 30 seconds.

7078
05:24:38,320 --> 05:24:41,960
 not we are here for you too. Don't let developers

7079
05:24:41,960 --> 05:24:45,500
 push you. Don't let planners mislead you or

7080
05:24:45,500 --> 05:24:48,570
 the province take away your power. We are here to

7081
05:24:48,570 --> 05:24:50,860
 stand with you if you stand with London in our

7082
05:24:50,860 --> 05:24:53,270
 neighborhoods. I ask you to refuse this

7083
05:24:53,270 --> 05:24:55,870
 application and any applications that don't

7084
05:24:55,870 --> 05:24:56,480
 conform to the

7085
05:24:56,480 --> 05:24:59,080
 planning standards our city has in place. Thank

7086
05:24:59,080 --> 05:25:01,570
 you. You'll look for the next speaker.

7087
05:25:01,570 --> 05:25:13,380
 As for clerk there's anyone in line. There's

7088
05:25:13,380 --> 05:25:15,620
 nobody online. I don't see anyone else coming

7089
05:25:15,620 --> 05:25:19,610
 to the microphone, so we'll call the vote to

7090
05:25:19,610 --> 05:25:35,530
 close the PPM.

7091
05:25:35,530 --> 05:25:47,660
 - Councillor Hillier, second call for Councillor

7092
05:25:47,660 --> 05:25:53,890
 Hillier,

7093
05:25:53,890 --> 05:26:00,310
 making him absent.

7094
05:26:00,310 --> 05:26:03,310
 Closing the vote, the motion carries five to zero

7095
05:26:03,310 --> 05:26:03,990
.

7096
05:26:03,990 --> 05:26:06,870
 - Okay, I'll put this item on the floor

7097
05:26:06,870 --> 05:26:09,550
 for committee members, Councillor Cudi.

7098
05:26:09,550 --> 05:26:10,560
 - Thank you, Chair.

7099
05:26:10,560 --> 05:26:12,270
 I'll move the staff recommendation.

7100
05:26:12,270 --> 05:26:13,220
 - Okay, I'll look for a seconder.

7101
05:26:13,220 --> 05:26:16,620
 Councillor Stevenson, my motion moved and second

7102
05:26:16,620 --> 05:26:16,900
ed.

7103
05:26:16,900 --> 05:26:22,720
 Look for comments from committee members.

7104
05:26:22,720 --> 05:26:34,320
 Councillor Stevenson, Councillor Peruzza.

7105
05:26:34,320 --> 05:26:36,940
 - To a point of order, and I don't want to go,

7106
05:26:36,940 --> 05:26:38,210
 I had to committee members.

7107
05:26:38,210 --> 05:26:39,920
 I want to leave my five minutes after,

7108
05:26:39,920 --> 05:26:41,830
 but there were three specific questions

7109
05:26:41,830 --> 05:26:43,140
 that came from the gallery.

7110
05:26:43,140 --> 05:26:44,290
 And I was just wondering,

7111
05:26:44,290 --> 05:26:46,550
 even though there was a refusal from the staff,

7112
05:26:46,550 --> 05:26:49,110
 I just wanted to ask these three questions staff.

7113
05:26:49,110 --> 05:26:51,800
 - Well, committee members go first.

7114
05:26:51,800 --> 05:26:53,940
 And once they're done,

7115
05:26:53,940 --> 05:26:56,030
 they can maybe have the same questions you have,

7116
05:26:56,030 --> 05:26:57,330
 and then we can go to you.

7117
05:26:57,330 --> 05:27:00,880
 So, Councillor Stevenson, go ahead.

7118
05:27:00,880 --> 05:27:03,140
 - Thank you.

7119
05:27:03,140 --> 05:27:04,340
 I did just have a couple questions.

7120
05:27:04,340 --> 05:27:06,950
 I mean, I'm gonna support the refusal.

7121
05:27:06,950 --> 05:27:10,040
 But I am still trying to understand

7122
05:27:10,040 --> 05:27:14,710
 the recommendation from staff for refusal.

7123
05:27:14,710 --> 05:27:21,280
 When, you know, in this term of council,

7124
05:27:21,280 --> 05:27:24,970
 I supported two 10-story buildings on Oxford

7125
05:27:24,970 --> 05:27:25,610
 Street,

7126
05:27:25,610 --> 05:27:28,810
 which were right beside tiny little single family

7127
05:27:28,810 --> 05:27:29,300
 homes,

7128
05:27:29,300 --> 05:27:31,870
 had all the same concerns.

7129
05:27:31,870 --> 05:27:35,850
 Schools nearby, traffic, parking.

7130
05:27:35,850 --> 05:27:39,410
 There was a 26-story on Mornington overlooking

7131
05:27:39,410 --> 05:27:44,660
 small single-family homes, supported it.

7132
05:27:44,660 --> 05:27:47,290
 Now things were changing, as I said, and I haven

7133
05:27:47,290 --> 05:27:49,090
't supported a few recently.

7134
05:27:49,090 --> 05:27:52,650
 But I thought what the staff recommendations were

7135
05:27:52,650 --> 05:27:54,580
 based on a set of rules that they came

7136
05:27:54,580 --> 05:27:57,700
 forward a certain way, and then the leeway was to

7137
05:27:57,700 --> 05:27:59,880
 counsel to make the decision.

7138
05:27:59,880 --> 05:28:05,630
 So when cheap side comes as approval, and then

7139
05:28:05,630 --> 05:28:07,760
 this one comes as a refusal, which honestly

7140
05:28:07,760 --> 05:28:12,800
 makes it easy for committee and council, I'm just

7141
05:28:12,800 --> 05:28:16,760
 really struggling with the consistency

7142
05:28:16,760 --> 05:28:18,880
 here.

7143
05:28:18,880 --> 05:28:22,130
 So, again, supporting the refusal, but I'd like

7144
05:28:22,130 --> 05:28:24,810
 to understand how staff is recommending

7145
05:28:24,810 --> 05:28:29,270
 refusal on this one. When in the urban design in

7146
05:28:29,270 --> 05:28:34,220
 March of 2026, it was supportive of the eight

7147
05:28:34,220 --> 05:28:40,200
 story. Keepside came as an approval of the rez

7148
05:28:40,200 --> 05:28:44,760
oning with refusal of the special provisions.

7149
05:28:44,760 --> 05:28:48,150
 Why not on this one? Why not an approval of an

7150
05:28:48,150 --> 05:28:50,920
 eight story? Because the eight's allowed,

7151
05:28:50,920 --> 05:28:53,520
 just like the six was allowed and maybe a refusal

7152
05:28:53,520 --> 05:28:55,760
 of some of the extras. Can you just

7153
05:28:55,760 --> 05:29:00,000
 explain to me how a refusal like how how is it

7154
05:29:00,000 --> 05:29:02,810
 incompatible here and compatible in other

7155
05:29:02,810 --> 05:29:03,590
 neighborhoods.

7156
05:29:03,590 --> 05:29:07,980
 I'll go to staff. Thank you through the chair.

7157
05:29:07,980 --> 05:29:10,250
 Every application is reviewed on its own merits

7158
05:29:10,250 --> 05:29:13,390
 based on the policy framework that applies to

7159
05:29:13,390 --> 05:29:15,990
 that site as well as the neighborhood context

7160
05:29:15,990 --> 05:29:19,120
 surrounding that site. In the case of the cheap

7161
05:29:19,120 --> 05:29:22,760
 side application, staff were of the opinion that

7162
05:29:22,760 --> 05:29:26,090
 the changes needed to the form were relatively

7163
05:29:26,090 --> 05:29:29,700
 minor and relying on the base zone regulations

7164
05:29:29,700 --> 05:29:32,100
 could be addressed through the site plan process.

7165
05:29:32,100 --> 05:29:35,080
 In the case of this application the changes that

7166
05:29:35,080 --> 05:29:40,570
 staff would need to see are much more significant

7167
05:29:40,570 --> 05:29:44,510
 and require much more discussion with the

7168
05:29:44,510 --> 05:29:44,970
 applicant

7169
05:29:44,970 --> 05:29:48,530
 probably additional special provisions to control

7170
05:29:48,530 --> 05:29:52,140
 the form. So in this case it's both an issue of

7171
05:29:52,140 --> 05:29:55,250
 intensity and form. Staff are not necessarily

7172
05:29:55,250 --> 05:29:57,480
 adverse to an eight-story building. In this case,

7173
05:29:57,480 --> 05:29:59,910
 what's proposed is actually nine, but it's the

7174
05:29:59,910 --> 05:30:05,130
 form of that building that's rather imposing on

7175
05:30:05,130 --> 05:30:06,810
 the neighborhood, and we don't feel the

7176
05:30:06,810 --> 05:30:08,750
 mitigation measures have been included in the

7177
05:30:08,750 --> 05:30:10,010
 design that

7178
05:30:10,010 --> 05:30:13,290
 would mitigate any impacts of the additional

7179
05:30:13,290 --> 05:30:15,830
 intensity. Tell us, sir.

7180
05:30:15,830 --> 05:30:19,480
 Again, I don't want to belabor it, and this might

7181
05:30:19,480 --> 05:30:21,580
 not be the place, but there is a feeling,

7182
05:30:22,740 --> 05:30:24,290
 - Well, I'll ask this.

7183
05:30:24,290 --> 05:30:28,790
 Does the number of 717 signatures have any impact

7184
05:30:28,790 --> 05:30:32,910
 in terms of staffs gathering an opinion

7185
05:30:32,910 --> 05:30:35,120
 of whether it's compatible or not?

7186
05:30:35,120 --> 05:30:38,060
 - Go ahead, staff.

7187
05:30:38,060 --> 05:30:41,970
 - We received the petition, but at the end of the

7188
05:30:41,970 --> 05:30:42,360
 day,

7189
05:30:42,360 --> 05:30:43,860
 staff make their recommendation

7190
05:30:43,860 --> 05:30:47,870
 based on land use planning policy.

7191
05:30:47,870 --> 05:30:49,020
 - Tell us, sir.

7192
05:30:49,020 --> 05:30:50,860
 - Okay, thank you, 'cause again,

7193
05:30:50,860 --> 05:30:54,500
 if I'm representing the residents that talk to me

7194
05:30:54,500 --> 05:30:54,600
,

7195
05:30:54,500 --> 05:30:56,960
 they feel there's an equity issue.

7196
05:30:56,960 --> 05:31:00,310
 They feel that, because they're not able to

7197
05:31:00,310 --> 05:31:00,950
 mobilize,

7198
05:31:00,950 --> 05:31:02,380
 they're for whatever reason,

7199
05:31:02,380 --> 05:31:04,370
 or that just because of the area of the city

7200
05:31:04,370 --> 05:31:06,640
 that they live in, that they're treated

7201
05:31:06,640 --> 05:31:07,230
 differently.

7202
05:31:07,230 --> 05:31:09,450
 And I don't like to see that, and I defend

7203
05:31:09,450 --> 05:31:10,660
 against that.

7204
05:31:10,660 --> 05:31:12,570
 This is making this harder for me.

7205
05:31:12,570 --> 05:31:19,230
 I also wanted to ask about the transportation,

7206
05:31:19,230 --> 05:31:20,700
 'cause I know this comes up as well,

7207
05:31:20,700 --> 05:31:23,380
 but here the transportation study said everything

7208
05:31:23,380 --> 05:31:23,920
 was fine,

7209
05:31:23,920 --> 05:31:26,210
 and then there was a change made

7210
05:31:26,210 --> 05:31:29,710
 that apparently was something that's not usually

7211
05:31:29,710 --> 05:31:29,950
 done

7212
05:31:29,950 --> 05:31:33,230
 on Tofanza, so maybe if staff could just explain

7213
05:31:33,230 --> 05:31:33,410
 more

7214
05:31:33,410 --> 05:31:34,580
 on that one.

7215
05:31:34,580 --> 05:31:36,900
 - I'll go to staff on comments

7216
05:31:36,900 --> 05:31:39,760
 on their transportation study.

7217
05:31:39,760 --> 05:31:41,500
 - Thank you, through the chair,

7218
05:31:41,500 --> 05:31:44,250
 we actually have the traffic engineer online

7219
05:31:44,250 --> 05:31:48,520
 as Saad Yousani, he'll speak now.

7220
05:31:48,520 --> 05:31:49,460
 - Thanks to the chair.

7221
05:31:49,460 --> 05:31:53,230
 In order to minimize any traffic impacts

7222
05:31:53,230 --> 05:31:56,230
 on Gaili Avenue, so we were looking for our

7223
05:31:56,230 --> 05:31:57,040
 options.

7224
05:31:57,840 --> 05:32:01,670
 and we thought that having a right out on Fanshaw

7225
05:32:01,670 --> 05:32:01,770
e

7226
05:32:01,670 --> 05:32:04,870
 will mitigate some of the traffic impacts.

7227
05:32:04,870 --> 05:32:08,240
 So there will still be some traffic,

7228
05:32:08,240 --> 05:32:11,260
 of course, using Gary Avenue

7229
05:32:11,260 --> 05:32:14,520
 and trying to make unsafe left run on Fanshawe,

7230
05:32:14,520 --> 05:32:17,370
 but the safest way is to circle around

7231
05:32:17,370 --> 05:32:20,560
 and make a left at Stony Brook.

7232
05:32:20,560 --> 05:32:23,160
 But back to the point, yes,

7233
05:32:23,160 --> 05:32:25,750
 having a restricted access on Fanshawe

7234
05:32:25,750 --> 05:32:28,770
 will mitigate some of the traffic issues.

7235
05:32:28,770 --> 05:32:30,150
 - Thank you.

7236
05:32:30,150 --> 05:32:32,270
 - Councillor.

7237
05:32:32,270 --> 05:32:35,370
 - And is it unusual to make a change outside

7238
05:32:35,370 --> 05:32:37,620
 of what's happened on this traffic study

7239
05:32:37,620 --> 05:32:40,110
 without maybe needing to reevaluate it?

7240
05:32:40,110 --> 05:32:43,290
 - I'll go staff.

7241
05:32:43,290 --> 05:32:48,070
 - No, through the chair we directed the

7242
05:32:48,070 --> 05:32:48,560
 consultant

7243
05:32:48,560 --> 05:32:51,550
 who came to meet us a couple of weeks ago.

7244
05:32:51,550 --> 05:32:55,060
 So he was directed to look at several options,

7245
05:32:55,060 --> 05:32:58,070
 multiple options with some strong technical

7246
05:32:58,070 --> 05:32:58,830
 evaluation.

7247
05:32:58,830 --> 05:33:01,290
 Not based on the convenience or inconvenience,

7248
05:33:01,290 --> 05:33:02,520
 but based on the evaluation.

7249
05:33:02,520 --> 05:33:04,990
 So it was determined that only write out

7250
05:33:04,990 --> 05:33:07,700
 should be appropriate rather than punching

7251
05:33:07,700 --> 05:33:09,790
 and write in write out or write in write out

7252
05:33:09,790 --> 05:33:11,170
 and left into the site.

7253
05:33:11,170 --> 05:33:16,940
 So because to avoid any impacts on these existing

7254
05:33:16,940 --> 05:33:17,530
 site list

7255
05:33:17,530 --> 05:33:20,450
 users along the front end of the property.

7256
05:33:20,450 --> 05:33:22,530
 So we determined that from the technical

7257
05:33:22,530 --> 05:33:23,360
 perspective,

7258
05:33:23,360 --> 05:33:25,300
 write out will be more appropriate.

7259
05:33:25,300 --> 05:33:26,080
 Thank you.

7260
05:33:26,080 --> 05:33:27,820
 Councilor.

7261
05:33:27,820 --> 05:33:28,630
 Thank you.

7262
05:33:28,630 --> 05:33:31,780
 And we were just at a housing event last night.

7263
05:33:31,780 --> 05:33:34,830
 and the minister was saying that it takes too

7264
05:33:34,830 --> 05:33:35,060
 long

7265
05:33:35,060 --> 05:33:36,170
 and it's too expensive.

7266
05:33:36,170 --> 05:33:37,910
 These are the big problems with housing.

7267
05:33:37,910 --> 05:33:40,600
 And one of the things I hear from the residents

7268
05:33:40,600 --> 05:33:43,240
 and I hear their concerns, I also hear from the

7269
05:33:43,240 --> 05:33:43,950
 developers

7270
05:33:43,950 --> 05:33:46,900
 and I hear their concerns about the process

7271
05:33:46,900 --> 05:33:50,410
 that they go through about how they feel that

7272
05:33:50,410 --> 05:33:51,170
 things change

7273
05:33:51,170 --> 05:33:54,040
 along the way, they only have a certain amount of

7274
05:33:54,040 --> 05:33:54,360
 time

7275
05:33:54,360 --> 05:33:57,750
 and sometimes they're surprised to see a refusal,

7276
05:33:57,750 --> 05:33:59,510
 especially when they're proposing something

7277
05:33:59,510 --> 05:34:02,440
 and it's eight stories in an eight story area.

7278
05:34:02,440 --> 05:34:06,520
 So I just wondered if there was any comment there

7279
05:34:06,520 --> 05:34:06,810
 too

7280
05:34:06,810 --> 05:34:11,140
 as to, or maybe you could help the public

7281
05:34:11,140 --> 05:34:11,750
 understand

7282
05:34:11,750 --> 05:34:13,340
 to the process that goes through

7283
05:34:13,340 --> 05:34:15,800
 when the developer comes with the application.

7284
05:34:15,800 --> 05:34:19,290
 Are they given a pathway to success over the 90

7285
05:34:19,290 --> 05:34:19,610
 days

7286
05:34:19,610 --> 05:34:21,630
 to get an approval?

7287
05:34:21,630 --> 05:34:25,890
 And what happens if there's changes that are made

7288
05:34:25,890 --> 05:34:27,450
 through that process?

7289
05:34:27,450 --> 05:34:30,250
 How's that dealt with with the developer?

7290
05:34:30,250 --> 05:34:31,800
 I'll go to staff, I just want to remind the

7291
05:34:31,800 --> 05:34:32,090
 council

7292
05:34:32,090 --> 05:34:36,410
 for you up 30 seconds left, I'll go to staff.

7293
05:34:36,410 --> 05:34:37,970
 - Thank you, through the chair.

7294
05:34:37,970 --> 05:34:41,400
 Generally speaking, we encourage all applicants

7295
05:34:41,400 --> 05:34:43,930
 to begin with a pre-application consultation

7296
05:34:43,930 --> 05:34:44,430
 process,

7297
05:34:44,430 --> 05:34:46,080
 although it's no longer required under the

7298
05:34:46,080 --> 05:34:46,590
 Planning Act

7299
05:34:46,590 --> 05:34:49,700
 and can't be required of applicants.

7300
05:34:49,700 --> 05:34:51,810
 But that is the initial starting point

7301
05:34:51,810 --> 05:34:54,600
 for preliminary conversations with staff

7302
05:34:54,600 --> 05:34:57,750
 before the 90-day timeline officially begins

7303
05:34:57,750 --> 05:34:59,990
 upon receipt of a complete application.

7304
05:34:59,990 --> 05:35:02,420
 I will make comment that the London plan,

7305
05:35:02,420 --> 05:35:05,000
 although does contemplate heights up to eight

7306
05:35:05,000 --> 05:35:05,570
 stories,

7307
05:35:05,570 --> 05:35:09,480
 doesn't or also includes policies that say

7308
05:35:09,480 --> 05:35:13,210
 the maximum height will not be appropriate on all

7309
05:35:13,210 --> 05:35:13,800
 sites.

7310
05:35:13,800 --> 05:35:15,710
 So that is something that staff take into

7311
05:35:15,710 --> 05:35:16,500
 consideration

7312
05:35:16,500 --> 05:35:19,020
 through the review when reviewing the appropriat

7313
05:35:19,020 --> 05:35:19,290
eness

7314
05:35:19,290 --> 05:35:20,680
 of the proposed building height

7315
05:35:20,680 --> 05:35:23,260
 and whether the mitigation measures incorporated

7316
05:35:23,260 --> 05:35:26,360
 into the design effectively mitigate impacts

7317
05:35:26,360 --> 05:35:28,950
 of that intensity.

7318
05:35:28,950 --> 05:35:30,900
 - I'll serve back to you with 30 seconds.

7319
05:35:30,900 --> 05:35:33,210
 - Yeah, well, I need to understand that more

7320
05:35:33,210 --> 05:35:35,790
 because sometimes we get told we can't refuse

7321
05:35:35,790 --> 05:35:38,050
 something that falls within the regulation

7322
05:35:38,050 --> 05:35:40,320
 or we'll lose that OLT.

7323
05:35:40,320 --> 05:35:42,460
 I just wanted one other question

7324
05:35:42,460 --> 05:35:47,190
 around the compatibility grounds for the height.

7325
05:35:47,190 --> 05:35:50,120
 Is there any concern here about OLT?

7326
05:35:50,120 --> 05:35:51,510
 We ask it with other things,

7327
05:35:51,510 --> 05:35:54,070
 so I'll just ask if there's any concerns there.

7328
05:35:54,070 --> 05:35:56,250
 - Okay, and that'll be the end of your time.

7329
05:35:56,250 --> 05:36:00,000
 I'll go to staff on that.

7330
05:36:00,000 --> 05:36:02,520
 - Through the chair, as with any application,

7331
05:36:02,520 --> 05:36:04,290
 the applicant does have the opportunity

7332
05:36:04,290 --> 05:36:07,860
 to appeal the decision of council.

7333
05:36:07,860 --> 05:36:12,350
 - Okay, I'm gonna go to Deputy Mayor Lewis.

7334
05:36:12,350 --> 05:36:13,240
 - Thank you, Chair.

7335
05:36:13,240 --> 05:36:16,910
 And through you, first, I want to take the

7336
05:36:16,910 --> 05:36:17,620
 opportunity

7337
05:36:17,620 --> 05:36:21,890
 to say thank you to Kate and our first speaker,

7338
05:36:21,890 --> 05:36:23,800
 I think tonight on this file

7339
05:36:23,800 --> 05:36:25,780
 for the excellent conversation we had

7340
05:36:25,780 --> 05:36:28,080
 with the health issues I've had,

7341
05:36:28,080 --> 05:36:29,060
 I wasn't able to make it out,

7342
05:36:29,060 --> 05:36:31,420
 but good phone conversation with Kate next.

7343
05:36:31,420 --> 05:36:33,980
 I thank her for talking to me

7344
05:36:33,980 --> 05:36:38,390
 the community concerns on this one. I want to

7345
05:36:38,390 --> 05:36:40,170
 start with saying I'm going to support the

7346
05:36:40,170 --> 05:36:44,500
 refusal as well and there are a few reasons that

7347
05:36:44,500 --> 05:36:47,690
 I am supportive of the refusal but I'm going to

7348
05:36:47,690 --> 05:36:51,660
 focus right now on one in particular and I know

7349
05:36:51,660 --> 05:36:55,500
 Councillor Stevenson started to ask it but I need

7350
05:36:55,500 --> 05:36:59,310
 to follow up on it because for four plus years

7351
05:36:59,310 --> 05:37:03,460
 now I've seen on planning application after

7352
05:37:03,460 --> 05:37:03,560
 planning

7353
05:37:03,550 --> 05:37:07,920
 application after planning application. The

7354
05:37:07,920 --> 05:37:11,150
 comments from staff that we do not do

7355
05:37:11,150 --> 05:37:16,750
 arterial road access points where we have a

7356
05:37:16,750 --> 05:37:19,990
 building that abuts an

7357
05:37:19,990 --> 05:37:23,070
 intersection. Yes, there are some that are mid

7358
05:37:23,070 --> 05:37:25,500
 walk and there's no other option, but

7359
05:37:25,500 --> 05:37:28,130
 where there are options to have traffic flow out

7360
05:37:28,130 --> 05:37:29,900
 onto the side street and then

7361
05:37:29,900 --> 05:37:33,180
 onto the arterial road that has generally been

7362
05:37:33,180 --> 05:37:34,580
 the recommendation we've

7363
05:37:34,580 --> 05:37:37,120
 always gotten. So I need to go back to staff and

7364
05:37:37,120 --> 05:37:39,680
 understand better because

7365
05:37:39,680 --> 05:37:41,940
 Frankly, if I thought that this was an option on

7366
05:37:41,940 --> 05:37:45,920
 some previous applications, I would have

7367
05:37:45,920 --> 05:37:48,380
 looked for it and now I'm being told it's an

7368
05:37:48,380 --> 05:37:51,480
 option on this application after many, many

7369
05:37:51,480 --> 05:37:53,720
 years of being told if it's at a corner, we

7370
05:37:53,720 --> 05:37:56,900
 direct the traffic out to the side and then

7371
05:37:56,900 --> 05:37:59,880
 onto the arterial road. So what's like, where's

7372
05:37:59,880 --> 05:38:02,260
 the threshold cut off here? Don't get me wrong,

7373
05:38:02,260 --> 05:38:04,850
 I'm supportive if a new application comes forward

7374
05:38:04,850 --> 05:38:07,730
 and there's a write-in right out on Fanshawe,

7375
05:38:07,730 --> 05:38:09,430
 I'm going to be supportive of that based on what

7376
05:38:09,430 --> 05:38:11,650
 I've seen in today's report. But I still,

7377
05:38:11,650 --> 05:38:13,580
 like Councillor Stevenson. I'm struggling to

7378
05:38:13,580 --> 05:38:15,370
 understand where the tipping point is.

7379
05:38:15,370 --> 05:38:17,920
 We've seen a couple of those on Colonel Talbot

7380
05:38:17,920 --> 05:38:19,700
 Road and Councillor Hopkins board.

7381
05:38:19,700 --> 05:38:23,860
 We've seen others in boards around the city, the

7382
05:38:23,860 --> 05:38:26,000
 Colonel Talbot one's just one that occurs to me

7383
05:38:26,000 --> 05:38:28,350
 right off the top of my head. So I'm looking for

7384
05:38:28,350 --> 05:38:30,340
 a little more clarity on where the tipping point

7385
05:38:30,340 --> 05:38:38,500
 is. I'll go to staff. Yeah, through the chair. We

7386
05:38:38,500 --> 05:38:44,710
 always look at applications depending on the

7387
05:38:44,710 --> 05:38:47,830
 spacing of the intersections from existing unsign

7388
05:38:47,830 --> 05:38:49,670
alised and signalised intersections.

7389
05:38:49,670 --> 05:38:53,450
 And also if there are any active transportation

7390
05:38:53,450 --> 05:38:57,800
 paths like in this case the cycling facilities

7391
05:38:57,800 --> 05:39:03,650
 fronting the street. So, and also we try to

7392
05:39:03,650 --> 05:39:07,590
 minimize the direct access on higher-class

7393
05:39:07,590 --> 05:39:08,180
ification

7394
05:39:08,180 --> 05:39:13,030
 roads like Fanshawe or any other arterial road

7395
05:39:13,030 --> 05:39:14,450
ways. But as I said that if there is an option

7396
05:39:14,450 --> 05:39:15,080
 available

7397
05:39:15,080 --> 05:39:18,840
 to the lower classification road for the access,

7398
05:39:18,840 --> 05:39:22,200
 we try to go in that direction and try to

7399
05:39:22,200 --> 05:39:22,760
 minimize

7400
05:39:22,760 --> 05:39:26,510
 the erm, direct access on arterial roadways. So

7401
05:39:26,510 --> 05:39:30,300
 to minimize the conflicts with all modes of users

7402
05:39:30,300 --> 05:39:30,400
,

7403
05:39:30,300 --> 05:39:34,970
 all modes of traffic. Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

7404
05:39:34,970 --> 05:39:38,410
 Okay. Well, I'm not going to belabor the points

7405
05:39:38,410 --> 05:39:40,250
 here at committee. I will do some more follow up

7406
05:39:40,250 --> 05:39:43,520
 discussion with staff on that, but I did find

7407
05:39:43,520 --> 05:39:45,300
 that comment in the report a little bit

7408
05:39:45,300 --> 05:39:48,940
 inconsistent with what we've seen in previous

7409
05:39:48,940 --> 05:39:49,630
 reports. And so

7410
05:39:49,630 --> 05:39:56,180
 that that may be somewhat questioning why it was

7411
05:39:56,180 --> 05:39:58,140
 in there. But like I said, I won't belabor that

7412
05:39:58,140 --> 05:40:01,040
 point today. I do hear the resident concerns

7413
05:40:01,040 --> 05:40:04,160
 particularly about the density and the impact

7414
05:40:04,160 --> 05:40:06,740
 that that has on traffic and the scaling massing

7415
05:40:06,740 --> 05:40:11,370
 because of the density. You know, I was honest

7416
05:40:11,370 --> 05:40:13,450
 with Kate and I will say this again, something

7417
05:40:13,450 --> 05:40:15,840
 bigger is going to be built there. It probably

7418
05:40:15,840 --> 05:40:18,520
 will be eight stories, but I think that something

7419
05:40:18,520 --> 05:40:21,450
 with less density and a little more alignment

7420
05:40:21,450 --> 05:40:23,620
 towards Fanshawe Park Road and less massing

7421
05:40:23,620 --> 05:40:26,020
 towards Gary, something where we do have an

7422
05:40:26,020 --> 05:40:28,570
 access point on Fanshawe Park Road as well would

7423
05:40:28,570 --> 05:40:32,100
 be more appropriate. And I think the residents

7424
05:40:32,100 --> 05:40:35,240
 who spoke about the lack of clarity around the

7425
05:40:35,240 --> 05:40:38,170
 waste management also raised an excellent point

7426
05:40:38,170 --> 05:40:41,440
 and I know that was in the staff report as well.

7427
05:40:41,440 --> 05:40:43,560
 Yes, we don't get into the details

7428
05:40:43,560 --> 05:40:46,620
 and into the leads at planning committee that the

7429
05:40:46,620 --> 05:40:48,100
 details are left to site plan.

7430
05:40:49,340 --> 05:40:53,940
 but when we don't have any real good indication

7431
05:40:53,940 --> 05:40:56,120
 even in the general application that does become

7432
05:40:56,120 --> 05:41:01,130
 a bit of a concern. So I will say as well on the

7433
05:41:01,130 --> 05:41:05,570
 eight versus nine stories. I know we're talking

7434
05:41:05,570 --> 05:41:09,160
 about stories here. I think we've got some some

7435
05:41:09,160 --> 05:41:11,920
 work to do as a committee moving forward and

7436
05:41:11,920 --> 05:41:14,320
 and whether it's this committee before the end of

7437
05:41:14,320 --> 05:41:16,430
 the term or whether it's the next committee on

7438
05:41:16,430 --> 05:41:22,900
 Council because I know we do have rooftop amenity

7439
05:41:22,900 --> 05:41:26,010
 spaces in the city that have been proved just

7440
05:41:26,010 --> 05:41:28,360
 as part of the development agreement requiring

7441
05:41:28,360 --> 05:41:30,480
 them to not be eligible for conversion to

7442
05:41:30,480 --> 05:41:31,160
 residential.

7443
05:41:31,160 --> 05:41:34,040
 I think rooftop amenity spaces are great but they

7444
05:41:34,040 --> 05:41:36,140
're not very useful in January in Canadian

7445
05:41:36,140 --> 05:41:38,630
 climates and so if we're going to count them as

7446
05:41:38,630 --> 05:41:41,130
 we sometimes do we say well we've got rooftop

7447
05:41:41,130 --> 05:41:43,540
 amenity so that's landscape open space we count

7448
05:41:43,540 --> 05:41:46,790
 that towards that but if it's not available seven

7449
05:41:46,790 --> 05:41:48,890
 and rate months of the year.

7450
05:41:48,890 --> 05:41:52,380
 I think that's an item we're gonna have to tackle

7451
05:41:52,380 --> 05:41:54,410
 and this application has kind of highlighted that

7452
05:41:54,410 --> 05:41:55,260
 for me.

7453
05:41:55,260 --> 05:41:58,760
 So I just wanted to share that,

7454
05:41:58,760 --> 05:42:01,410
 but I will be supporting the refusal on this one.

7455
05:42:01,410 --> 05:42:04,420
 I think staff's done a very thorough report

7456
05:42:04,420 --> 05:42:08,000
 and outline the reasons why they're suggesting

7457
05:42:08,000 --> 05:42:12,200
 the refusal at this point in time.

7458
05:42:12,200 --> 05:42:14,960
 - Thank you, I'll go to Councilor Cuddy.

7459
05:42:14,960 --> 05:42:17,090
 - Thank you, Chair.

7460
05:42:17,090 --> 05:42:18,870
 Thank you to all the residents who came up.

7461
05:42:18,870 --> 05:42:20,300
 Thank you for inviting me

7462
05:42:20,300 --> 05:42:23,020
 and the other committee members out to visit.

7463
05:42:23,020 --> 05:42:23,970
 I don't know if you know this,

7464
05:42:23,970 --> 05:42:25,830
 but I spent an hour and a half with you.

7465
05:42:25,830 --> 05:42:28,170
 And there were almost 40 of you actually lost

7466
05:42:28,170 --> 05:42:29,490
 count,

7467
05:42:29,490 --> 05:42:32,180
 an hour and a half and very quickly, Chair,

7468
05:42:32,180 --> 05:42:35,370
 we don't often get that invitation.

7469
05:42:35,370 --> 05:42:39,200
 And we do appreciate it because it means so much

7470
05:42:39,200 --> 05:42:40,320
 to us.

7471
05:42:40,320 --> 05:42:43,030
 And in four years, I've never seen engagement

7472
05:42:43,030 --> 05:42:44,470
 like I've seen with your group.

7473
05:42:44,470 --> 05:42:47,820
 So thank you very much.

7474
05:42:47,820 --> 05:42:55,540
 - Thank you, I'll go to Mayor Morgan.

7475
05:42:55,540 --> 05:42:56,740
 - Yeah, thank you, Chair.

7476
05:42:56,740 --> 05:42:59,300
 So first, I'll be supporting the staff

7477
05:42:59,300 --> 05:42:59,920
 recommendation

7478
05:42:59,920 --> 05:43:01,710
 for our refusal.

7479
05:43:01,710 --> 05:43:04,380
 I just want to say to our staff,

7480
05:43:04,380 --> 05:43:06,290
 I appreciate the thoroughness of the

7481
05:43:06,290 --> 05:43:07,080
 recommendations

7482
05:43:07,080 --> 05:43:09,950
 and the analysis that you did in the report.

7483
05:43:09,950 --> 05:43:12,690
 I think it's good work and you've articulated

7484
05:43:12,690 --> 05:43:16,530
 a very good case here to the community members,

7485
05:43:16,530 --> 05:43:18,320
 of course, through the chair.

7486
05:43:18,320 --> 05:43:19,710
 I appreciate the engagement as well.

7487
05:43:19,710 --> 05:43:22,040
 It was, I appreciated going around the

7488
05:43:22,040 --> 05:43:22,690
 neighborhood,

7489
05:43:22,690 --> 05:43:24,720
 having a chance to talk with many individuals.

7490
05:43:24,720 --> 05:43:27,820
 But what I actually appreciate quite a bit is we

7491
05:43:27,820 --> 05:43:28,380
 hear

7492
05:43:28,380 --> 05:43:31,240
 at this committee often, I don't wanna see

7493
05:43:31,240 --> 05:43:32,430
 anything there.

7494
05:43:32,430 --> 05:43:35,850
 I want it to be status quo and nothing can change

7495
05:43:35,850 --> 05:43:35,950
.

7496
05:43:35,850 --> 05:43:37,120
 It has to be exactly as it is.

7497
05:43:37,120 --> 05:43:39,750
 I felt like it was a very thoughtful engagement

7498
05:43:39,750 --> 05:43:42,050
 with a community that says we recognize

7499
05:43:42,050 --> 05:43:43,920
 that there is a role for density

7500
05:43:43,920 --> 05:43:47,130
 along a major thoroughfare like Fanshawe Park

7501
05:43:47,130 --> 05:43:47,580
 Road.

7502
05:43:47,580 --> 05:43:50,470
 But here are the challenges we have with this

7503
05:43:50,470 --> 05:43:50,980
 development

7504
05:43:50,980 --> 05:43:56,050
 and almost all of it rooted in planning rationale

7505
05:43:56,050 --> 05:43:56,150
,

7506
05:43:56,050 --> 05:43:59,190
 which I would say is rare for us to see sometimes

7507
05:43:59,190 --> 05:43:59,290
,

7508
05:43:59,210 --> 05:44:01,500
 but I just wanted to commend the community

7509
05:44:01,500 --> 05:44:03,890
 in doing a very thoughtful job of making points

7510
05:44:03,890 --> 05:44:05,330
 that are very relevant to the planning,

7511
05:44:05,330 --> 05:44:08,670
 decision-making process and recognizing

7512
05:44:08,670 --> 05:44:10,270
 that there is a role for density

7513
05:44:10,270 --> 05:44:11,740
 along this corridor in our city.

7514
05:44:11,740 --> 05:44:14,490
 So I'll be supporting the recommendation,

7515
05:44:14,490 --> 05:44:16,240
 and thanks again to our staff

7516
05:44:16,240 --> 05:44:19,200
 and the community for their feedback.

7517
05:44:19,200 --> 05:44:22,370
 - Councilor Pribble.

7518
05:44:22,370 --> 05:44:23,420
 - Thank you, and through the chair,

7519
05:44:23,420 --> 05:44:25,050
 there were out of the 16 speakers,

7520
05:44:25,050 --> 05:44:26,560
 there were three specific questions,

7521
05:44:26,560 --> 05:44:28,740
 and I don't want this to count to my time,

7522
05:44:28,740 --> 05:44:30,730
 because it's a question from the gallery that

7523
05:44:30,730 --> 05:44:31,090
 came,

7524
05:44:31,090 --> 05:44:32,680
 just in case I need the time.

7525
05:44:32,680 --> 05:44:34,910
 And I do realize that it was a refusal

7526
05:44:34,910 --> 05:44:36,540
 of recommendation from the staff,

7527
05:44:36,540 --> 05:44:40,610
 but these three specific questions were asked.

7528
05:44:40,610 --> 05:44:43,760
 How can we consider allowing removal of so many

7529
05:44:43,760 --> 05:44:44,270
 trees

7530
05:44:44,270 --> 05:44:47,300
 with the city's canopy goals and targets?

7531
05:44:47,300 --> 05:44:53,200
 - A good staff.

7532
05:44:53,200 --> 05:44:54,200
 - Thank you through the chair.

7533
05:44:54,200 --> 05:44:55,590
 As part of the complete application,

7534
05:44:55,590 --> 05:44:58,450
 the applicant provided a tree preservation plan

7535
05:44:58,450 --> 05:45:00,280
 for consideration through this process.

7536
05:45:00,280 --> 05:45:03,580
 However, I'll note that the technical review

7537
05:45:03,580 --> 05:45:06,520
 and approval of said plan takes place

7538
05:45:06,520 --> 05:45:08,590
 through the site plan process.

7539
05:45:08,590 --> 05:45:11,640
 So should council approve this?

7540
05:45:11,640 --> 05:45:14,800
 That's where the review and approval

7541
05:45:14,800 --> 05:45:17,100
 of that plan would occur.

7542
05:45:17,100 --> 05:45:18,340
 - Councilor.

7543
05:45:18,340 --> 05:45:19,480
 - Thank you, second question.

7544
05:45:19,480 --> 05:45:22,280
 How was waste and excuse me,

7545
05:45:22,280 --> 05:45:25,870
 and snow management considered and evaluated?

7546
05:45:25,870 --> 05:45:31,020
 of staff through the chair again snow removal and

7547
05:45:31,020 --> 05:45:32,280
 storage and garbage

7548
05:45:32,280 --> 05:45:34,880
 collection and storage are our matters considered

7549
05:45:34,880 --> 05:45:36,540
 through the site plan approval

7550
05:45:36,540 --> 05:45:40,190
 process again we consider those issues through

7551
05:45:40,190 --> 05:45:41,960
 the zoning to some degree when

7552
05:45:41,960 --> 05:45:44,260
 evaluating intensity and whether the proposed

7553
05:45:44,260 --> 05:45:46,380
 intensity is appropriate but

7554
05:45:46,380 --> 05:45:50,420
 the actual strategy for those matters is reviewed

7555
05:45:50,420 --> 05:45:52,200
 in detail and and approved

7556
05:45:52,200 --> 05:45:54,990
 through the subsequent site plan process Councill

7557
05:45:54,990 --> 05:45:57,380
or. Thank you. And the third one which was already

7558
05:45:57,380 --> 05:45:59,210
 answered but I want to make sure that it's

7559
05:45:59,210 --> 05:46:03,650
 answered directly. Why would the vehicular access

7560
05:46:03,650 --> 05:46:04,440
 be

7561
05:46:04,440 --> 05:46:08,190
 allowed on the lower order of the street? I'll go

7562
05:46:08,190 --> 05:46:13,810
 to staff.

7563
05:46:13,810 --> 05:46:19,600
 According to excess management guidelines, if the

7564
05:46:19,600 --> 05:46:24,900
 property has boundaries on two roads,

7565
05:46:24,900 --> 05:46:27,080
 two types of roads, one is higher classification

7566
05:46:27,080 --> 05:46:28,650
 road where the purpose of the higher

7567
05:46:28,650 --> 05:46:29,320
 classification

7568
05:46:29,320 --> 05:46:33,360
 road is too far through traffic with minimum

7569
05:46:33,360 --> 05:46:37,110
 interruption minimum traffic conflicts so and if

7570
05:46:37,110 --> 05:46:40,140
 the second road is lower classification road or

7571
05:46:40,140 --> 05:46:42,980
 say local street or neighborhood connector in

7572
05:46:42,980 --> 05:46:45,800
 this case Gary is designated as a local street

7573
05:46:45,800 --> 05:46:48,860
 but Stony Brook is designated as a neighborhood

7574
05:46:48,860 --> 05:46:53,030
 connector so we always try to provide the access

7575
05:46:53,030 --> 05:46:56,160
 on a lower classification road but that doesn't

7576
05:46:56,160 --> 05:46:58,800
 mean that we shift all the problems or the

7577
05:46:58,800 --> 05:47:02,670
 existing residential houses, those who are living

7578
05:47:02,670 --> 05:47:03,300
 there.

7579
05:47:03,300 --> 05:47:05,620
 But like in this case, Gary Avenue is being

7580
05:47:05,620 --> 05:47:08,480
 reconstructed with some traffic calming measures

7581
05:47:08,480 --> 05:47:11,760
 and a storybook is classified as a classified as

7582
05:47:11,760 --> 05:47:15,410
 a neighborhood connector. It has a traffic signal

7583
05:47:15,410 --> 05:47:18,500
 at Fanshawe. So as I said that, of course, there

7584
05:47:18,500 --> 05:47:21,070
 will be some issues for sure, but in order to

7585
05:47:21,070 --> 05:47:21,910
 mitigate

7586
05:47:21,910 --> 05:47:25,080
 some of the issues. We had a conversation with

7587
05:47:25,080 --> 05:47:26,980
 the applicant and then we reached out an

7588
05:47:26,980 --> 05:47:27,460
 agreement

7589
05:47:27,460 --> 05:47:32,820
 for a right out access on Fensha. So basically in

7590
05:47:32,820 --> 05:47:35,000
 order to minimize traffic conflicts for all

7591
05:47:35,000 --> 05:47:37,460
 more sub-transportation on high classification

7592
05:47:37,460 --> 05:47:41,840
 draw. Thank you. Councilor, thank you for that.

7593
05:47:41,840 --> 05:47:41,940
 So

7594
05:47:41,910 --> 05:47:44,050
 that's those are the three questions I called

7595
05:47:44,050 --> 05:47:47,080
 from the 16 speakers. So I'm going to start

7596
05:47:47,080 --> 05:47:49,860
 with my own now. Thank you everyone for your

7597
05:47:49,860 --> 05:47:52,020
 continuous feedback over the month.

7598
05:47:52,900 --> 05:47:54,890
 it has been greatly appreciated by everyone as

7599
05:47:54,890 --> 05:47:57,040
 you have all they heard. I want to clarify a

7600
05:47:57,040 --> 05:48:01,640
 couple of things and I'll start with the

7601
05:48:01,640 --> 05:48:06,680
 submission that came to our staff. The first one

7602
05:48:06,680 --> 05:48:07,080
 and it's

7603
05:48:07,080 --> 05:48:11,170
 actually the only official one. That's the one

7604
05:48:11,170 --> 05:48:15,240
 that our staff gave us feedback on. They went to

7605
05:48:15,240 --> 05:48:17,900
 other departments and received back from. So that

7606
05:48:17,900 --> 05:48:20,340
's the only one we are evaluating here. I do know

7607
05:48:20,340 --> 05:48:23,840
 there were certain other versions circulated

7608
05:48:23,840 --> 05:48:27,030
 among potentially a few or many bottom line

7609
05:48:27,030 --> 05:48:30,050
 is we are not dealing with that here at all. It's

7610
05:48:30,050 --> 05:48:32,760
 just the first one. On the planning committee

7611
05:48:32,760 --> 05:48:37,320
 added agenda yesterday I do take the feedback

7612
05:48:37,320 --> 05:48:41,260
 from RPH or the additional document as

7613
05:48:41,260 --> 05:48:42,300
 clarification

7614
05:48:42,300 --> 05:48:46,010
 only and again it should not be evaluated by any

7615
05:48:46,010 --> 05:48:48,910
 one of us as part of the submission or

7616
05:48:48,910 --> 05:48:50,020
 consideration.

7617
05:48:50,020 --> 05:48:53,120
 So we are really doing only what's truly in front

7618
05:48:53,120 --> 05:48:54,000
 of us.

7619
05:48:54,000 --> 05:48:57,140
 I do want to say that I will be to my colleagues

7620
05:48:57,140 --> 05:48:57,690
 as well.

7621
05:48:57,690 --> 05:48:59,810
 I will be certainly supporting what's in front of

7622
05:48:59,810 --> 05:48:59,950
 us

7623
05:48:59,950 --> 05:49:01,030
 from the staff.

7624
05:49:01,030 --> 05:49:02,930
 And even though I cannot do it here,

7625
05:49:02,930 --> 05:49:04,640
 I just want to let you know I'm not planning

7626
05:49:04,640 --> 05:49:08,660
 to do at a council any referral either.

7627
05:49:08,660 --> 05:49:13,490
 I do have a couple of questions in terms of this

7628
05:49:13,490 --> 05:49:14,170
 application.

7629
05:49:14,170 --> 05:49:17,920
 And again, if it's accepted or if it's confirmed

7630
05:49:17,920 --> 05:49:19,060
 by the PAC

7631
05:49:19,060 --> 05:49:21,630
 and by council in a couple of weeks.

7632
05:49:21,630 --> 05:49:25,550
 But in terms of modification to this,

7633
05:49:25,550 --> 05:49:30,930
 when the either the planner, the developer comes

7634
05:49:30,930 --> 05:49:31,270
 back,

7635
05:49:31,270 --> 05:49:35,840
 what modifications would our staff consider

7636
05:49:35,840 --> 05:49:40,700
 to potentially approve and recommend?

7637
05:49:40,700 --> 05:49:42,400
 Because I don't believe you are looking at

7638
05:49:42,400 --> 05:49:43,910
 smaller items,

7639
05:49:43,910 --> 05:49:46,210
 we are really looking at something bigger.

7640
05:49:46,210 --> 05:49:50,590
 Is there something you could potentially clarify?

7641
05:49:50,590 --> 05:49:57,800
 - I'll go to staff.

7642
05:49:57,800 --> 05:49:59,120
 Thank you through the chair.

7643
05:49:59,120 --> 05:50:02,160
 It's difficult to provide that evaluation off the

7644
05:50:02,160 --> 05:50:02,310
 cuff

7645
05:50:02,310 --> 05:50:06,580
 without a plan or a revised concept before us.

7646
05:50:06,580 --> 05:50:08,530
 Generally speaking, some of the things

7647
05:50:08,530 --> 05:50:10,790
 we're looking for is a better transition in

7648
05:50:10,790 --> 05:50:11,210
 height

7649
05:50:11,210 --> 05:50:14,280
 and a breaking up of the mass.

7650
05:50:14,280 --> 05:50:17,410
 So a particular concern to staff is the

7651
05:50:17,410 --> 05:50:18,390
 transition in height

7652
05:50:18,390 --> 05:50:20,260
 as well as the sheer bulk of the building.

7653
05:50:20,260 --> 05:50:22,660
 And so at minimum, our expectation

7654
05:50:22,660 --> 05:50:26,930
 would be to see an enhanced transition in height,

7655
05:50:26,930 --> 05:50:29,400
 particularly along Geary as the development

7656
05:50:29,400 --> 05:50:30,000
 transitions

7657
05:50:30,000 --> 05:50:32,510
 into the neighborhood, as well as the actual bulk

7658
05:50:32,510 --> 05:50:32,950
 and mass

7659
05:50:32,950 --> 05:50:35,510
 of the building being broken up.

7660
05:50:35,510 --> 05:50:36,350
 - No, I'm sorry.

7661
05:50:36,350 --> 05:50:38,170
 Okay, thank you for that.

7662
05:50:38,170 --> 05:50:41,270
 Not sufficiently oriented to the higher order

7663
05:50:41,270 --> 05:50:41,890
 street.

7664
05:50:41,890 --> 05:50:44,310
 Can you please clarify this or we'll be more

7665
05:50:44,310 --> 05:50:44,820
 seeking

7666
05:50:44,820 --> 05:50:50,560
 from our staff, go to staff.

7667
05:50:50,560 --> 05:50:51,750
 - Thank you through the chair.

7668
05:50:51,750 --> 05:50:55,300
 So in instances where we have corner properties

7669
05:50:55,300 --> 05:50:57,650
 at the intersection of a higher order street

7670
05:50:57,650 --> 05:50:58,800
 and the lower order street,

7671
05:50:58,800 --> 05:51:01,150
 the expectation in the London plan is that

7672
05:51:01,150 --> 05:51:03,180
 the greater intensity be oriented

7673
05:51:03,180 --> 05:51:05,240
 to that higher order street and the height

7674
05:51:05,240 --> 05:51:06,090
 transition down

7675
05:51:06,090 --> 05:51:10,400
 as it transitions rather into the neighborhood.

7676
05:51:10,400 --> 05:51:12,430
 So again, speaking to my last point,

7677
05:51:12,430 --> 05:51:15,180
 we would wanna see the greater heights oriented

7678
05:51:15,180 --> 05:51:16,820
 to Fanshawe

7679
05:51:16,820 --> 05:51:21,180
 and then heights transition down along Geary

7680
05:51:21,180 --> 05:51:25,690
 to maintain that low rise residential character

7681
05:51:25,690 --> 05:51:26,130
 along Geary.

7682
05:51:29,600 --> 05:51:31,990
 Councilor thank you rooftop amenity we did

7683
05:51:31,990 --> 05:51:35,840
 consider or even approve before in this one we

7684
05:51:35,840 --> 05:51:36,240
 are not

7685
05:51:36,240 --> 05:51:39,830
 We are basing it on height or what other

7686
05:51:39,830 --> 05:51:42,330
 considerations are we basing it not for the

7687
05:51:42,330 --> 05:51:46,570
 rooftop amenity as I know I'll go staff

7688
05:51:46,570 --> 05:51:50,740
 Through the chair, it's not necessarily the use

7689
05:51:50,740 --> 05:51:51,660
 of rooftop amenity

7690
05:51:51,660 --> 05:51:54,330
 of course staff are highly supportive of a

7691
05:51:54,330 --> 05:51:56,960
 variety of amenities being provided in

7692
05:51:57,640 --> 05:51:59,550
 redevelopment projects such as this.

7693
05:51:59,550 --> 05:52:02,420
 However, the way it is proposed does constitute

7694
05:52:02,420 --> 05:52:04,280
 a ninth story, which conflicts with the London

7695
05:52:04,280 --> 05:52:04,420
 Plan.

7696
05:52:04,420 --> 05:52:06,810
 We've mentioned that a maximum of eight stories

7697
05:52:06,810 --> 05:52:11,030
 is contemplated here, and what's proposed

7698
05:52:11,030 --> 05:52:15,020
 is reflective of a ninth story and contributes

7699
05:52:15,020 --> 05:52:17,870
 to the massing of the building substantially.

7700
05:52:17,870 --> 05:52:19,330
 - Counselor.

7701
05:52:19,330 --> 05:52:20,170
 - Okay, thank you.

7702
05:52:20,170 --> 05:52:21,360
 I have no more questions.

7703
05:52:21,360 --> 05:52:23,350
 I'm just gonna make a comment again.

7704
05:52:23,350 --> 05:52:25,780
 As a word counselor, I'm supporting what's in

7705
05:52:25,780 --> 05:52:26,330
 front of us,

7706
05:52:26,330 --> 05:52:29,950
 the refusal, and I'm just reiterating once again,

7707
05:52:29,950 --> 05:52:32,900
 at the council, I will not be putting forward

7708
05:52:32,900 --> 05:52:37,960
 any referral, I will be moving as is, thank you.

7709
05:52:37,960 --> 05:52:41,230
 - Councilor Raman.

7710
05:52:41,230 --> 05:52:42,070
 - Thank you Chair.

7711
05:52:42,070 --> 05:52:43,230
 You've done a great job today,

7712
05:52:43,230 --> 05:52:45,910
 chairing this meeting, so thank you for that.

7713
05:52:45,910 --> 05:52:48,180
 I wanna start by saying I appreciate the work

7714
05:52:48,180 --> 05:52:50,420
 that planning staff, especially Ms. Hines,

7715
05:52:50,420 --> 05:52:52,020
 has put into this application.

7716
05:52:52,020 --> 05:52:54,370
 I know she's been extremely responsive,

7717
05:52:54,370 --> 05:52:56,370
 so I wanna say thank you for that.

7718
05:52:56,370 --> 05:52:59,560
 I wanna take a moment to thank the community

7719
05:52:59,560 --> 05:53:02,860
 who has done a fantastic job engaging,

7720
05:53:02,860 --> 05:53:05,230
 not just on behalf of your neighborhood,

7721
05:53:05,230 --> 05:53:08,030
 but on behalf of the city of London.

7722
05:53:08,030 --> 05:53:11,030
 You've reached out to projects in other wards.

7723
05:53:11,030 --> 05:53:12,720
 You've had thorough discussions

7724
05:53:12,720 --> 05:53:15,380
 about planning contexts with them.

7725
05:53:15,380 --> 05:53:17,970
 You've looked at this not just as how it affects

7726
05:53:17,970 --> 05:53:19,960
 your neighborhood, but how it affects the whole

7727
05:53:19,960 --> 05:53:20,210
 city.

7728
05:53:20,210 --> 05:53:22,330
 And I think that's relevant and it's important

7729
05:53:22,330 --> 05:53:24,560
 and we need to be discussing it.

7730
05:53:24,560 --> 05:53:27,030
 This proposal represents significant intens

7731
05:53:27,030 --> 05:53:27,560
ification

7732
05:53:27,560 --> 05:53:29,310
 that is not compatible with the existing

7733
05:53:29,310 --> 05:53:29,790
 character

7734
05:53:29,790 --> 05:53:31,510
 of the surrounding area.

7735
05:53:31,510 --> 05:53:33,910
 The adjacent neighborhoods, as you've heard,

7736
05:53:33,910 --> 05:53:36,860
 consist primarily of low density residential uses

7737
05:53:36,860 --> 05:53:36,960
,

7738
05:53:36,860 --> 05:53:39,220
 and this development introduces a scale and form

7739
05:53:39,220 --> 05:53:41,310
 that is out of context.

7740
05:53:41,310 --> 05:53:43,590
 Transition and height density in built form are

7741
05:53:43,590 --> 05:53:44,390
 insufficient.

7742
05:53:44,390 --> 05:53:46,990
 The proposal would over intensify,

7743
05:53:46,990 --> 05:53:49,740
 with excessive density, limited setbacks,

7744
05:53:49,740 --> 05:53:51,860
 a built form that maximizes masses

7745
05:53:51,860 --> 05:53:54,260
 at the expense of livability.

7746
05:53:54,260 --> 05:53:56,600
 Good planning is not simply about achieving

7747
05:53:56,600 --> 05:53:57,610
 density targets.

7748
05:53:57,610 --> 05:53:59,930
 It's about ensuring appropriate fit and function

7749
05:53:59,930 --> 05:54:01,740
 within the local context.

7750
05:54:01,740 --> 05:54:03,360
 Page 320 of this report,

7751
05:54:03,360 --> 05:54:05,520
 the current proposal does not demonstrate

7752
05:54:05,520 --> 05:54:06,040
 sufficient

7753
05:54:06,040 --> 05:54:08,240
 compatibility with the surrounding context,

7754
05:54:08,240 --> 05:54:10,940
 nor does it incorporate adequate mitigation

7755
05:54:10,940 --> 05:54:11,550
 measures

7756
05:54:11,550 --> 05:54:13,670
 to address potential impacts.

7757
05:54:13,670 --> 05:54:15,450
 Furthermore, and this is important for the

7758
05:54:15,450 --> 05:54:16,180
 consideration

7759
05:54:16,180 --> 05:54:18,950
 of a revised version at a later date or in the

7760
05:54:18,950 --> 05:54:19,500
 future,

7761
05:54:19,500 --> 05:54:22,140
 while an increase of up to two additional stories

7762
05:54:22,140 --> 05:54:24,410
 could be reasonably anticipated relative

7763
05:54:24,410 --> 05:54:26,770
 to the application approved in 2022.

7764
05:54:26,770 --> 05:54:29,800
 The current application represents a substantial

7765
05:54:29,800 --> 05:54:30,240
 departure

7766
05:54:30,240 --> 05:54:32,480
 from the intended scale and approach

7767
05:54:32,480 --> 05:54:35,520
 to modest height increases across the city,

7768
05:54:35,520 --> 05:54:38,150
 including within established neighborhoods.

7769
05:54:38,150 --> 05:54:40,870
 Page 322, each application is viewed

7770
05:54:40,870 --> 05:54:43,100
 on a site-specific basis and zoning.

7771
05:54:43,100 --> 05:54:45,460
 Therefore, may limit building heights

7772
05:54:45,460 --> 05:54:47,340
 and that the development will not undermine

7773
05:54:47,340 --> 05:54:50,620
 the character of the lower-order street.

7774
05:54:50,620 --> 05:54:52,620
 You heard repeatedly about traffic and

7775
05:54:52,620 --> 05:54:53,910
 infrastructure concerns.

7776
05:54:53,910 --> 05:54:55,730
 I won't belabor the point.

7777
05:54:55,730 --> 05:54:58,030
 The proposal raises legitimate concerns

7778
05:54:58,030 --> 05:55:01,930
 around traffic and cumulative impact.

7779
05:55:01,930 --> 05:55:04,610
 We have heard consistent and strong concerns

7780
05:55:04,610 --> 05:55:05,650
 from this community.

7781
05:55:05,650 --> 05:55:07,720
 Residents are not opposed to development.

7782
05:55:07,720 --> 05:55:09,830
 They are asking for appropriate scale,

7783
05:55:09,830 --> 05:55:12,420
 respect for neighborhood character, thoughtful

7784
05:55:12,420 --> 05:55:13,070
 integration.

7785
05:55:13,070 --> 05:55:14,620
 In its current form,

7786
05:55:14,620 --> 05:55:17,420
 the application does not adequately address these

7787
05:55:17,420 --> 05:55:18,570
 concerns.

7788
05:55:18,570 --> 05:55:21,090
 The revised version, since it's there,

7789
05:55:21,090 --> 05:55:23,000
 I'll just share my thoughts.

7790
05:55:23,000 --> 05:55:25,160
 It's still nine stories and two tall.

7791
05:55:25,160 --> 05:55:27,470
 It's still overdeveloped and not oriented

7792
05:55:27,470 --> 05:55:30,900
 to the higher road or higher order street.

7793
05:55:30,900 --> 05:55:33,180
 It's still inadequately set back to the point

7794
05:55:33,180 --> 05:55:35,210
 where you can't plant a tree to buffer.

7795
05:55:35,210 --> 05:55:36,730
 Still a lack of green space.

7796
05:55:36,730 --> 05:55:38,880
 Still no plan for how to remove garbage.

7797
05:55:38,880 --> 05:55:42,020
 Still overly intense and under parked.

7798
05:55:42,020 --> 05:55:43,580
 To members of the committee,

7799
05:55:43,580 --> 05:55:45,640
 I just heard some general questions as well

7800
05:55:45,640 --> 05:55:48,010
 about traffic and about height.

7801
05:55:48,010 --> 05:55:50,110
 And when we were talking about similar things

7802
05:55:50,110 --> 05:55:53,360
 that cheap side, there seemed to be agreement

7803
05:55:53,360 --> 05:55:55,100
 that the height review was rushed.

7804
05:55:55,100 --> 05:55:56,640
 And now in this application,

7805
05:55:56,640 --> 05:55:59,350
 we're arguing that the height should be permitted

7806
05:55:59,350 --> 05:55:59,570
.

7807
05:55:59,570 --> 05:56:01,610
 So just to conclude,

7808
05:56:01,610 --> 05:56:03,660
 I believe this proposal as presented

7809
05:56:03,660 --> 05:56:05,590
 does not represent good planning.

7810
05:56:05,590 --> 05:56:09,190
 Therefore, I will be supporting the refusal.

7811
05:56:09,190 --> 05:56:09,980
 - Thank you.

7812
05:56:09,980 --> 05:56:11,680
 I look for other speakers.

7813
05:56:11,680 --> 05:56:13,970
 Councillor Trussell.

7814
05:56:13,970 --> 05:56:15,440
 - Yes, thank you very much.

7815
05:56:15,440 --> 05:56:18,090
 And I'm going to limit my comments

7816
05:56:18,090 --> 05:56:19,390
 to things that haven't been said.

7817
05:56:19,390 --> 05:56:21,500
 some of my colleagues have said some very

7818
05:56:21,500 --> 05:56:25,330
 compelling things.

7819
05:56:25,330 --> 05:56:26,790
 She just said, Councillor Ramen,

7820
05:56:26,790 --> 05:56:28,130
 I think was a very good summary

7821
05:56:28,130 --> 05:56:30,180
 of the reasons not to support this.

7822
05:56:30,180 --> 05:56:32,080
 Councillor Stevenson, you raised some very

7823
05:56:32,080 --> 05:56:34,400
 poignant

7824
05:56:34,400 --> 05:56:39,130
 and compelling and troublesome issues

7825
05:56:39,130 --> 05:56:40,930
 about our overall process and equity

7826
05:56:40,930 --> 05:56:45,570
 that I plan on following up, not tonight.

7827
05:56:45,570 --> 05:56:47,260
 But what I do wanna follow up with tonight

7828
05:56:47,260 --> 05:56:48,650
 because I think it might come up again

7829
05:56:48,650 --> 05:56:51,300
 if this application is resubmitted.

7830
05:56:51,300 --> 05:56:54,340
 And guess what I'm gonna talk about.

7831
05:56:54,340 --> 05:56:56,480
 I'm going to talk about the traffic and the

7832
05:56:56,480 --> 05:56:57,200
 transportation

7833
05:56:57,200 --> 05:57:01,220
 study, because that's sort of what I do when I'm

7834
05:57:01,220 --> 05:57:01,890
 visiting here

7835
05:57:01,890 --> 05:57:04,190
 and I'm looking at things in detail.

7836
05:57:04,190 --> 05:57:08,070
 If I could ask the traffic engineer to come back,

7837
05:57:08,070 --> 05:57:11,200
 I'd really appreciate it.

7838
05:57:11,200 --> 05:57:15,340
 Hello, thank you for being with us this late.

7839
05:57:15,340 --> 05:57:17,840
 And I understand the challenges that

7840
05:57:17,840 --> 05:57:21,550
 are involved when you have an application being

7841
05:57:21,550 --> 05:57:21,900
 reviewed

7842
05:57:21,900 --> 05:57:26,380
 by staff, it cuts across different divisions and

7843
05:57:26,380 --> 05:57:26,880
 departments.

7844
05:57:26,880 --> 05:57:32,190
 I've been raising a lot of concern

7845
05:57:32,190 --> 05:57:34,900
 about the level of scrutiny that the

7846
05:57:34,900 --> 05:57:36,270
 transportation

7847
05:57:36,270 --> 05:57:39,610
 and the traffic study get at the initial level.

7848
05:57:39,610 --> 05:57:42,190
 The way I see it is there are three levels here.

7849
05:57:42,190 --> 05:57:45,190
 The first level is stuff that comes in at the

7850
05:57:45,190 --> 05:57:46,130
 beginning

7851
05:57:46,130 --> 05:57:48,070
 and you have to certify that there's a complete

7852
05:57:48,070 --> 05:57:48,780
 application.

7853
05:57:48,780 --> 05:57:53,290
 It doesn't even get to the public period

7854
05:57:53,290 --> 05:57:55,580
 unless there's a complete application.

7855
05:57:55,580 --> 05:57:57,210
 One of the requirements for a complete

7856
05:57:57,210 --> 05:57:58,050
 application

7857
05:57:58,050 --> 05:58:02,670
 is a certified transportation analysis,

7858
05:58:02,670 --> 05:58:05,130
 unless you decide to waive that,

7859
05:58:05,130 --> 05:58:06,780
 which you didn't do here.

7860
05:58:06,780 --> 05:58:10,440
 Second step is very familiar to the public.

7861
05:58:10,440 --> 05:58:12,230
 It ends at city council.

7862
05:58:12,230 --> 05:58:16,200
 And then the third step is after the fact site

7863
05:58:16,200 --> 05:58:17,240
 review.

7864
05:58:17,240 --> 05:58:19,200
 I'm hearing a lot of things that I think should

7865
05:58:19,200 --> 05:58:20,200
 be dealt

7866
05:58:20,200 --> 05:58:23,790
 with early on that are being relegated to site

7867
05:58:23,790 --> 05:58:25,240
 review.

7868
05:58:25,240 --> 05:58:27,050
 That's not the main point I want to make

7869
05:58:27,050 --> 05:58:30,230
 with my limited time, but I want to point that

7870
05:58:30,230 --> 05:58:31,780
 out.

7871
05:58:31,780 --> 05:58:36,100
 When traffic has a discussion with the applicant

7872
05:58:36,100 --> 05:58:38,560
 at the beginning, before you decide to

7873
05:58:38,560 --> 05:58:41,450
 deem the application complete, which of course

7874
05:58:41,450 --> 05:58:43,150
 starts at the time period running,

7875
05:58:43,150 --> 05:58:47,350
 could you just walk me through what happens

7876
05:58:47,350 --> 05:58:50,570
 at that pre-consultation meeting before you

7877
05:58:50,570 --> 05:58:51,360
 accept

7878
05:58:51,360 --> 05:58:53,550
 the transportation study and before the time

7879
05:58:53,550 --> 05:58:54,500
 starts to run,

7880
05:58:54,500 --> 05:58:57,170
 What is your department actually do?

7881
05:58:57,170 --> 05:58:58,050
 I'll go stop.

7882
05:58:58,050 --> 05:59:01,630
 - Yeah, thanks through the chair.

7883
05:59:01,630 --> 05:59:06,380
 The application stage is really a good stage

7884
05:59:06,380 --> 05:59:10,260
 where we can communicate with the applicant

7885
05:59:10,260 --> 05:59:14,230
 on the requirements, from the traffic perspective

7886
05:59:14,230 --> 05:59:14,330
.

7887
05:59:14,230 --> 05:59:17,500
 And we discuss the traffic impact assessment

7888
05:59:17,500 --> 05:59:18,390
 guidelines.

7889
05:59:18,390 --> 05:59:19,820
 And if there are any questions,

7890
05:59:19,820 --> 05:59:21,400
 we can answer those questions.

7891
05:59:21,400 --> 05:59:25,110
 We always ask the applicant and their consultant

7892
05:59:25,110 --> 05:59:28,170
 to send us the scope of work for our review

7893
05:59:28,170 --> 05:59:31,620
 and providing feedback so that minimum revisions

7894
05:59:31,620 --> 05:59:33,040
 to be done in the future.

7895
05:59:33,040 --> 05:59:36,050
 So having said that, so pre-application stage

7896
05:59:36,050 --> 05:59:39,850
 is very a big stage where we communicate the

7897
05:59:39,850 --> 05:59:40,720
 applicant,

7898
05:59:40,720 --> 05:59:42,920
 what we are looking for, what impacts we will

7899
05:59:42,920 --> 05:59:43,270
 review

7900
05:59:43,270 --> 05:59:44,270
 and so on.

7901
05:59:44,270 --> 05:59:47,250
 And also in terms of the access, for example,

7902
05:59:47,250 --> 05:59:51,120
 in this case, the applicant was when applicants

7903
05:59:51,120 --> 05:59:51,640
 shared

7904
05:59:51,640 --> 05:59:53,590
 with us the concept plan.

7905
05:59:53,590 --> 05:59:57,380
 It was showing only the one axis on Gary Avenue,

7906
05:59:57,380 --> 05:59:59,410
 but we also communicated to them

7907
05:59:59,410 --> 06:00:02,560
 to provide a restricted axis on Fensha

7908
06:00:02,560 --> 06:00:05,890
 to minimize the impacts on the local street

7909
06:00:05,890 --> 06:00:07,300
 network.

7910
06:00:07,300 --> 06:00:08,830
 As I mentioned earlier that,

7911
06:00:08,830 --> 06:00:13,800
 that doesn't mean that we always try to put more

7912
06:00:13,800 --> 06:00:14,920
 problems

7913
06:00:14,920 --> 06:00:16,580
 and remove the problems from higher

7914
06:00:16,580 --> 06:00:17,560
 classification rule

7915
06:00:17,560 --> 06:00:20,680
 like Fensha and dump on the local network street.

7916
06:00:20,680 --> 06:00:26,020
 But in this case, specifically, given the fact

7917
06:00:26,020 --> 06:00:30,250
 that Stony Brook is designated as a neighborhood

7918
06:00:30,250 --> 06:00:33,240
 connector, it means it should have more capacity

7919
06:00:33,240 --> 06:00:35,440
 for traffic to handle.

7920
06:00:35,440 --> 06:00:37,720
 Moreover, it is also intersecting at Fenshaw

7921
06:00:37,720 --> 06:00:39,270
 College--

7922
06:00:39,270 --> 06:00:41,930
 sorry, Fenshaw Park Roadway at a signalized

7923
06:00:41,930 --> 06:00:42,830
 intersection.

7924
06:00:42,830 --> 06:00:45,580
 So it was safer to make a left or right run lane

7925
06:00:45,580 --> 06:00:46,420
 over there.

7926
06:00:46,420 --> 06:00:51,050
 Now back to the point, once we received the TIE,

7927
06:00:51,050 --> 06:00:54,100
 we look at the report if the report was completed

7928
06:00:54,100 --> 06:00:56,840
 based on our TIA guidelines.

7929
06:00:56,840 --> 06:00:59,910
 But we normally accept the report

7930
06:00:59,910 --> 06:01:02,950
 if something is missing, but not major.

7931
06:01:02,950 --> 06:01:05,660
 For example, if our direction was not followed,

7932
06:01:05,660 --> 06:01:08,620
 but it means we have the opportunity to review

7933
06:01:08,620 --> 06:01:10,250
 and provide comments accordingly.

7934
06:01:10,250 --> 06:01:12,290
 This is what we did in this case,

7935
06:01:12,290 --> 06:01:15,220
 at the site plan consultation stage.

7936
06:01:15,220 --> 06:01:18,670
 Then once we move on to the next level

7937
06:01:18,670 --> 06:01:22,080
 and then our comments either are reiterated

7938
06:01:22,080 --> 06:01:24,510
 or more consolidated in such a way

7939
06:01:24,510 --> 06:01:27,750
 that we go to the highest level.

7940
06:01:27,750 --> 06:01:29,950
 So I understand that there are,

7941
06:01:29,950 --> 06:01:32,870
 I mean, only a vacant piece of land

7942
06:01:32,870 --> 06:01:35,660
 is considered as zero traffic impact.

7943
06:01:35,660 --> 06:01:37,570
 Once the lands are developed,

7944
06:01:37,570 --> 06:01:40,830
 there are always impacts of minimum to maximum,

7945
06:01:40,830 --> 06:01:43,300
 but we always try to minimize the impacts

7946
06:01:43,300 --> 06:01:44,730
 as I mentioned that.

7947
06:01:44,730 --> 06:01:47,060
 But there are impacts and there is no denying to

7948
06:01:47,060 --> 06:01:47,470
 the fact

7949
06:01:47,470 --> 06:01:49,880
 no traffic engineer will say there will be zero

7950
06:01:49,880 --> 06:01:50,340
 impact.

7951
06:01:50,340 --> 06:01:53,170
 No, based on my past experience,

7952
06:01:53,170 --> 06:01:54,410
 I can say that this draft,

7953
06:01:54,410 --> 06:01:58,100
 this development proposal will have impacts on

7954
06:01:58,100 --> 06:01:58,810
 Gary Avenue,

7955
06:01:58,810 --> 06:02:00,980
 will have impacts on Fanshawe, will have impacts

7956
06:02:00,980 --> 06:02:02,120
 on Stony Brook.

7957
06:02:02,120 --> 06:02:06,000
 But as once we review the report,

7958
06:02:06,000 --> 06:02:09,110
 we try to come up with some ideas.

7959
06:02:09,110 --> 06:02:11,310
 Brainstorms are engineering judgment and come up

7960
06:02:11,310 --> 06:02:11,940
 with,

7961
06:02:11,940 --> 06:02:13,170
 and discuss with the applicants

7962
06:02:13,170 --> 06:02:15,460
 so that the impacts are minimized.

7963
06:02:15,460 --> 06:02:16,270
 Thank you.

7964
06:02:16,270 --> 06:02:17,570
 - Okay, I threw the chair.

7965
06:02:17,570 --> 06:02:18,850
 Councilor, just a second, please.

7966
06:02:18,850 --> 06:02:24,450
 I'll call on you, Ms. McNeely, please go ahead.

7967
06:02:24,450 --> 06:02:25,370
 - Thank you through the chair.

7968
06:02:25,370 --> 06:02:27,360
 I also just like to clarify,

7969
06:02:27,360 --> 06:02:29,270
 as early as possible, you try to encourage

7970
06:02:29,270 --> 06:02:29,860
 applicants

7971
06:02:29,860 --> 06:02:30,780
 to consult with us.

7972
06:02:30,780 --> 06:02:32,770
 And it's not just on the zoning application,

7973
06:02:32,770 --> 06:02:33,800
 it's also on the site plan,

7974
06:02:33,800 --> 06:02:35,850
 because we wanna understand how the site can

7975
06:02:35,850 --> 06:02:36,300
 function,

7976
06:02:36,300 --> 06:02:38,370
 because often we hear, you know, the chicken and

7977
06:02:38,370 --> 06:02:38,950
 the egg,

7978
06:02:38,950 --> 06:02:42,950
 and we get the questions of the site plan matters

7979
06:02:42,950 --> 06:02:43,290
.

7980
06:02:43,290 --> 06:02:45,610
 Well, we wanna make sure that the zoning box

7981
06:02:45,610 --> 06:02:48,280
 that we're creating works with the site

7982
06:02:48,280 --> 06:02:49,580
 functionality

7983
06:02:49,580 --> 06:02:50,410
 from a very high level.

7984
06:02:50,410 --> 06:02:52,030
 So that's that consultation.

7985
06:02:52,030 --> 06:02:54,730
 So we're also learning at the very early stages

7986
06:02:54,730 --> 06:02:56,470
 about the access arrangement.

7987
06:02:56,470 --> 06:02:58,900
 So I just wanted to give that context

7988
06:02:58,900 --> 06:03:01,770
 so that you understand that that's what we try to

7989
06:03:01,770 --> 06:03:02,350
 encourage.

7990
06:03:02,350 --> 06:03:04,610
 Not all applicants come to the consultation

7991
06:03:04,610 --> 06:03:05,090
 process,

7992
06:03:05,090 --> 06:03:07,190
 but we do encourage site plan consultation

7993
06:03:07,190 --> 06:03:09,650
 even before we get to the zoning stage.

7994
06:03:09,650 --> 06:03:10,800
 - Councilor.

7995
06:03:10,800 --> 06:03:13,960
 Okay, back to the traffic and transportation

7996
06:03:13,960 --> 06:03:14,430
 study.

7997
06:03:14,430 --> 06:03:17,160
 Please, when you have this initial consultation

7998
06:03:17,160 --> 06:03:19,700
 with the developer, do you ever say

7999
06:03:19,700 --> 06:03:22,080
 this is just not adequate. And before the time

8000
06:03:22,080 --> 06:03:25,290
 starts running, we want you to fix this now.

8001
06:03:25,290 --> 06:03:31,270
 Good stuff. Thanks. Yeah, through the chair, it

8002
06:03:31,270 --> 06:03:34,590
 has happened once when our direction was

8003
06:03:34,590 --> 06:03:35,230
 completely

8004
06:03:35,230 --> 06:03:37,940
 ignored, what we what we said in the meeting in

8005
06:03:37,940 --> 06:03:40,300
 the in the in the beginning, when we looked at

8006
06:03:40,300 --> 06:03:44,350
 the concept plan, then we said, okay, we need the

8007
06:03:44,350 --> 06:03:48,630
 we need the missing information before we start

8008
06:03:48,630 --> 06:03:52,140
 of a review. Yeah, it happens sometimes. But if

8009
06:03:52,140 --> 06:03:54,240
 there are some minor things which we think,

8010
06:03:54,240 --> 06:03:56,840
 which we think we should review and provide as

8011
06:03:56,840 --> 06:03:58,490
 part of our comments to the applicant,

8012
06:03:58,490 --> 06:04:02,360
 then we go accordingly. Thank you. Okay. Sorry.

8013
06:04:02,360 --> 06:04:04,510
 Yeah. Thank you. That's helpful.

8014
06:04:04,510 --> 06:04:06,230
 And I'm glad that there's at least the

8015
06:04:06,230 --> 06:04:08,260
 possibility for that. I guess what I'm saying is

8016
06:04:08,260 --> 06:04:08,660
 I'd like to

8017
06:04:08,660 --> 06:04:11,550
 see that more exacting and happening more often.

8018
06:04:11,550 --> 06:04:13,840
 The reason I raised that is did you have any

8019
06:04:13,840 --> 06:04:17,110
 Any discussion since this is a Fanshawe Park Road

8020
06:04:17,110 --> 06:04:18,350
 and there are a lot of developments

8021
06:04:18,350 --> 06:04:21,600
 in that area anticipated, recent and upcoming,

8022
06:04:21,600 --> 06:04:24,810
 did you have any discussion with this applicant

8023
06:04:24,810 --> 06:04:28,320
 about the other projects along that strip in the

8024
06:04:28,320 --> 06:04:31,150
 near facility or was this focused merely

8025
06:04:31,150 --> 06:04:32,350
 on this one property?

8026
06:04:32,350 --> 06:04:37,390
 I'll go to staff.

8027
06:04:37,390 --> 06:04:38,330
 Thanks to the chair.

8028
06:04:38,330 --> 06:04:41,930
 I don't recall at this point but maybe when we go

8029
06:04:41,930 --> 06:04:44,570
 into the meeting or when we have a chance

8030
06:04:44,570 --> 06:04:48,070
 to discuss the proposal at hand. We try to look

8031
06:04:48,070 --> 06:04:49,890
 at the bigger picture. We try to look

8032
06:04:49,890 --> 06:04:52,410
 at what is happening on the on each side of the

8033
06:04:52,410 --> 06:04:55,380
 road or something like that. Maybe we may have

8034
06:04:55,380 --> 06:04:57,790
 taken into account, but I just wanted to make

8035
06:04:57,790 --> 06:05:01,380
 sure that I'm covering this part that we we have

8036
06:05:01,380 --> 06:05:04,880
 always we always look case to case. I mean some

8037
06:05:04,880 --> 06:05:07,920
 of the I know someone said that why was the

8038
06:05:08,480 --> 06:05:15,550
 access allowed on Fenshaap Park Roadway for

8039
06:05:15,550 --> 06:05:17,400
 development A or B. Maybe at that time when we

8040
06:05:17,400 --> 06:05:20,690
 evaluated the situation, when we looked at the

8041
06:05:20,690 --> 06:05:23,360
 road network or when we evaluated the

8042
06:05:23,360 --> 06:05:26,040
 access options, that was a better option. So as I

8043
06:05:26,040 --> 06:05:28,210
 said, I don't remember at this point,

8044
06:05:28,210 --> 06:05:30,200
 but definitely we look at the bigger picture.

8045
06:05:30,200 --> 06:05:30,840
 Thank you.

8046
06:05:30,840 --> 06:05:32,960
 Okay, well, I'm sorry you don't remember that,

8047
06:05:32,960 --> 06:05:34,630
 but I think it's important.

8048
06:05:34,630 --> 06:05:37,200
 do you when you have this conversation to the

8049
06:05:37,200 --> 06:05:41,060
 chair do you um talk about overall city goals and

8050
06:05:41,060 --> 06:05:43,560
 policies like our vision zero um policy thank you

8051
06:05:43,560 --> 06:05:48,040
 yeah through the truth of course oh just a second

8052
06:05:48,040 --> 06:05:50,360
 folks uh we're not going to get into back and

8053
06:05:50,360 --> 06:05:52,950
 forth here i'm going to take a control back here

8054
06:05:52,950 --> 06:05:56,220
 i ask each of you to hold on until i recognize

8055
06:05:56,220 --> 06:06:06,120
 you so please go ahead staff thank you um yes of

8056
06:06:06,120 --> 06:06:09,700
 Of course, this is the direction through the

8057
06:06:09,700 --> 06:06:11,650
 chair, this is the direction in the mobility

8058
06:06:11,650 --> 06:06:15,770
 master plan, vision zero, and in all our

8059
06:06:15,770 --> 06:06:19,340
 decisions of development approvals, development

8060
06:06:19,340 --> 06:06:19,540
 review

8061
06:06:19,540 --> 06:06:23,520
 of any traffic reports, vision zero sits at the

8062
06:06:23,520 --> 06:06:24,380
 heart.

8063
06:06:24,380 --> 06:06:27,690
 So vision zero encompasses the safety for all

8064
06:06:27,690 --> 06:06:29,430
 modes of transportation.

8065
06:06:29,430 --> 06:06:32,080
 as I mentioned earlier in response to a question

8066
06:06:32,080 --> 06:06:36,650
 that why did we choose on the right out

8067
06:06:36,650 --> 06:06:39,120
 the most restricted access on Fensha in this case

8068
06:06:39,120 --> 06:06:42,870
 because we wanted to minimize the impacts

8069
06:06:42,870 --> 06:06:43,980
 conflicts

8070
06:06:43,980 --> 06:06:47,370
 with the bicycle users along Fensha Street.

8071
06:06:47,370 --> 06:06:49,490
 Yes, we do keep in our mind, of course.

8072
06:06:49,490 --> 06:06:50,540
 Thank you.

8073
06:06:50,540 --> 06:06:51,360
 - Councilor.

8074
06:06:51,360 --> 06:06:52,260
 - Well, thank you to the chair.

8075
06:06:52,260 --> 06:06:54,650
 My concern about that is having read through this

8076
06:06:54,650 --> 06:06:55,520
 report

8077
06:06:55,520 --> 06:06:57,180
 and all the other reports.

8078
06:06:57,180 --> 06:06:58,750
 In fact, when I get these new applications,

8079
06:06:58,750 --> 06:07:01,130
 It's the traffic study that's the first thing I

8080
06:07:01,130 --> 06:07:01,680
 go to.

8081
06:07:01,680 --> 06:07:03,110
 I don't think there was any discussion

8082
06:07:03,110 --> 06:07:06,120
 about vision zero, and it wasn't reflected.

8083
06:07:06,120 --> 06:07:08,530
 And we had a number of people here tonight

8084
06:07:08,530 --> 06:07:10,670
 talking about how when they were thinking about

8085
06:07:10,670 --> 06:07:13,580
 whether they feel safe having their children

8086
06:07:13,580 --> 06:07:15,170
 walk around the neighborhood,

8087
06:07:15,170 --> 06:07:19,150
 it is the vision zero issue that comes to mind.

8088
06:07:19,150 --> 06:07:21,540
 And I guess what I'm trying to do here

8089
06:07:21,540 --> 06:07:23,170
 is, and I'm really glad that the staff

8090
06:07:23,170 --> 06:07:24,410
 has come to the recommendation.

8091
06:07:24,410 --> 06:07:25,640
 I commend you for that.

8092
06:07:25,640 --> 06:07:26,640
 I think it's wonderful.

8093
06:07:26,640 --> 06:07:28,950
 I should be very happy tonight and I should just

8094
06:07:28,950 --> 06:07:29,380
 go home.

8095
06:07:29,380 --> 06:07:34,490
 But I'm sorry, I just do not feel,

8096
06:07:34,490 --> 06:07:37,170
 I think the weak link in this whole process

8097
06:07:37,170 --> 06:07:39,200
 is the transportation and traffic study.

8098
06:07:39,200 --> 06:07:41,400
 And I'm gonna ask about this,

8099
06:07:41,400 --> 06:07:43,320
 every time this comes to the table,

8100
06:07:43,320 --> 06:07:46,110
 I'm gonna ask about how you really dealt with

8101
06:07:46,110 --> 06:07:47,070
 Vision Zero,

8102
06:07:47,070 --> 06:07:49,700
 I'm gonna ask about how is this related

8103
06:07:49,700 --> 06:07:52,260
 to other issues that are happening in the

8104
06:07:52,260 --> 06:07:53,050
 neighborhood

8105
06:07:53,050 --> 06:07:56,170
 with respect to traffic safety and mitigation.

8106
06:07:56,170 --> 06:07:57,800
 Have you gotten petitions?

8107
06:07:57,800 --> 06:08:00,480
 I just don't think there's enough integration

8108
06:08:00,480 --> 06:08:05,110
 of traffic policy issues into this process.

8109
06:08:05,110 --> 06:08:07,640
 And it's just something that comes up time and

8110
06:08:07,640 --> 06:08:08,820
 time again.

8111
06:08:08,820 --> 06:08:11,530
 And if it wasn't for the importance of traffic

8112
06:08:11,530 --> 06:08:12,050
 safety

8113
06:08:12,050 --> 06:08:14,310
 in residential neighborhoods like this,

8114
06:08:14,310 --> 06:08:15,970
 maybe we could let it go.

8115
06:08:15,970 --> 06:08:18,560
 But this is what I'm hearing from the community

8116
06:08:18,560 --> 06:08:19,720
 that you care about.

8117
06:08:19,720 --> 06:08:20,560
 So I guess my--

8118
06:08:20,560 --> 06:08:21,440
 - Thank you, Councilor.

8119
06:08:21,440 --> 06:08:22,410
 That's your time.

8120
06:08:22,410 --> 06:08:23,920
 Thank you.

8121
06:08:23,920 --> 06:08:26,570
 - Oh, okay, I'll pick this up next time.

8122
06:08:26,570 --> 06:08:33,550
 Okay, I'll look for other comments or questions.

8123
06:08:33,550 --> 06:08:36,740
 We have a motion moved and seconded.

8124
06:08:36,740 --> 06:08:38,790
 It is 7.30.

8125
06:08:38,790 --> 06:08:40,000
 We've been here for a while.

8126
06:08:40,000 --> 06:08:42,850
 I think these folks would like to get on with it.

8127
06:08:42,850 --> 06:08:44,860
 We still have this to go to council,

8128
06:08:44,860 --> 06:08:46,940
 which you can save your comments for that

8129
06:08:46,940 --> 06:08:49,730
 or do some offline research

8130
06:08:49,730 --> 06:08:51,330
 with those questions of staff.

8131
06:08:51,330 --> 06:08:55,070
 So, just one more look before I call the vote.

8132
06:08:55,070 --> 06:09:09,100
 I don't see anything, so let's closing the vote.

8133
06:09:09,100 --> 06:09:11,770
 The motion carries five to zero.

8134
06:09:11,770 --> 06:09:14,480
 - Thank you, thanks folks for sticking around

8135
06:09:14,480 --> 06:09:57,600
 to this late hour, appreciate your input.

8136
06:09:57,600 --> 06:10:02,180
 That concludes our scheduled items.

8137
06:10:02,180 --> 06:10:05,970
 We will move now to items for a direction.

8138
06:10:05,970 --> 06:10:09,010
 The first action for committee,

8139
06:10:09,010 --> 06:10:13,440
 we have a request for a delegation.

8140
06:10:13,440 --> 06:10:16,720
 And I'm gonna look to committee to see

8141
06:10:16,720 --> 06:10:19,340
 if we would entertain that.

8142
06:10:19,340 --> 06:10:21,450
 Councillor Stevenson, are you moving that?

8143
06:10:21,450 --> 06:10:29,910
 - Look for a seconder, Councillor Cudi has second

8144
06:10:29,910 --> 06:10:30,050
ed,

8145
06:10:30,050 --> 06:10:43,730
 so we will call the vote.

8146
06:10:43,730 --> 06:10:45,820
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries five to

8147
06:10:45,820 --> 06:10:46,780
 zero.

8148
06:10:46,780 --> 06:10:48,830
 - Okay, so if the delegate would like to address

8149
06:10:48,830 --> 06:11:00,110
 the committee, you have five minutes.

8150
06:11:00,110 --> 06:11:02,310
 - Good evening, I'm Mohammad Musa.

8151
06:11:02,310 --> 06:11:10,500
 Thank you for that us.

8152
06:11:10,500 --> 06:11:14,690
 I just wanted to start out by saying,

8153
06:11:14,690 --> 06:11:19,160
 totally agree that third party deal rights should

8154
06:11:19,160 --> 06:11:20,730
 exist.

8155
06:11:20,730 --> 06:11:24,910
 My problem with this coming up at this point in

8156
06:11:24,910 --> 06:11:25,270
 time

8157
06:11:25,270 --> 06:11:29,100
 is the timing of it.

8158
06:11:29,100 --> 06:11:33,950
 June 4th, 2024, is when Bill 185 got assent

8159
06:11:33,950 --> 06:11:37,410
 and went into law.

8160
06:11:37,410 --> 06:11:39,040
 And if we wanted to move something like this

8161
06:11:39,040 --> 06:11:39,390
 forward

8162
06:11:39,390 --> 06:11:44,480
 at that point, we should have done it then.

8163
06:11:44,480 --> 06:11:49,470
 Little suspect that it's an election year.

8164
06:11:49,470 --> 06:11:53,760
 And on top of that, it would be very toothless.

8165
06:11:53,760 --> 06:11:56,720
 I thank you through the chair.

8166
06:11:56,720 --> 06:12:00,900
 Thank you to the Ward 7 counselor, bringing this

8167
06:12:00,900 --> 06:12:01,960
 forward.

8168
06:12:01,960 --> 06:12:06,530
 But I think time would be better spent

8169
06:12:06,530 --> 06:12:13,800
 with actually lobbying fellow counselors

8170
06:12:13,800 --> 06:12:19,620
 to vote for with the London Plan,

8171
06:12:19,620 --> 06:12:22,830
 provincial planning statements, the Planning Act,

8172
06:12:22,830 --> 06:12:25,500
 recommendations of committee, sorry,

8173
06:12:25,500 --> 06:12:28,630
 recommendations of staff.

8174
06:12:28,630 --> 06:12:32,980
 What we have here is hopefully I'm keeping this

8175
06:12:32,980 --> 06:12:33,250
 tight,

8176
06:12:33,250 --> 06:12:35,480
 not going to, but we need to have this broad

8177
06:12:35,480 --> 06:12:36,420
 discussion

8178
06:12:36,420 --> 06:12:43,520
 over Bill 185 and it's lack of appeal.

8179
06:12:43,520 --> 06:12:51,470
 As I said, I agree that third party appeal rights

8180
06:12:51,470 --> 06:12:53,640
 should exist. I just don't think this is the way

8181
06:12:53,640 --> 06:12:56,110
 to go about it. As I said, it's

8182
06:12:56,110 --> 06:12:59,590
 toothless to have one municipality go to the

8183
06:12:59,590 --> 06:13:07,610
 province and lobby for that. I got

8184
06:13:07,610 --> 06:13:13,320
 to go down this route. Red Bill 185, front to

8185
06:13:13,320 --> 06:13:19,030
 back. Nowhere in that bill does

8186
06:13:19,030 --> 06:13:24,400
 it suspend planning act? Does it suspend our

8187
06:13:24,400 --> 06:13:27,500
 London plan? Does it suspend any

8188
06:13:27,500 --> 06:13:29,790
 provincial guidelines or the provincial planning

8189
06:13:29,790 --> 06:13:34,360
 statement? This committee, this

8190
06:13:34,360 --> 06:13:40,200
 Council needs to abide by the legislation, by the

8191
06:13:40,200 --> 06:13:43,690
 plans, by all the above that I

8192
06:13:43,690 --> 06:13:46,570
 just mentioned. The frustration that a lot of

8193
06:13:46,570 --> 06:13:47,820
 people have is that appeal

8194
06:13:47,820 --> 06:13:51,100
 rights have been taken away by the province, but

8195
06:13:51,100 --> 06:13:54,080
 don't kid yourselves.

8196
06:13:54,080 --> 06:13:58,060
 Frustration is how that's been used by this

8197
06:13:58,060 --> 06:14:02,710
 council. The frustration of going

8198
06:14:02,710 --> 06:14:06,180
 above and beyond what is legislatively allowed,

8199
06:14:06,180 --> 06:14:10,120
 what our own London plan is about,

8200
06:14:10,120 --> 06:14:16,720
 and people blame it on nimbyism when people come

8201
06:14:16,720 --> 06:14:19,970
 here and and say, you know, I don't like this,

8202
06:14:19,970 --> 06:14:23,010
 but over the last two years you've had a lot of

8203
06:14:23,010 --> 06:14:28,630
 people coming here with with legislation with

8204
06:14:28,630 --> 06:14:30,600
 with policies of the London plan.

8205
06:14:30,600 --> 06:14:33,300
 I can't count how many times we've heard

8206
06:14:33,300 --> 06:14:36,950
 notwithstanding the recommendations of staff that

8207
06:14:36,950 --> 06:14:41,190
 is so frustrating. Why do we have staff tell you

8208
06:14:41,190 --> 06:14:45,830
 things that come from good planning principles

8209
06:14:45,830 --> 06:14:47,600
 from sound planning principles?

8210
06:14:47,600 --> 06:14:54,510
 principles only to ignore them. The frustration

8211
06:14:54,510 --> 06:14:56,310
 with not having appeal

8212
06:14:56,310 --> 06:15:00,030
 rights is around the horseshoe with the exception

8213
06:15:00,030 --> 06:15:03,110
 of the clerk, of course. The

8214
06:15:03,110 --> 06:15:07,890
 decisions that are made are not, they're incongru

8215
06:15:07,890 --> 06:15:09,010
ent with a lot of things

8216
06:15:09,010 --> 06:15:12,630
 that we have. And what's happened over this time

8217
06:15:12,630 --> 06:15:17,880
 is, I'm not aligned by saying

8218
06:15:17,880 --> 06:15:21,930
 this, but counsel has used, and I'm not painting

8219
06:15:21,930 --> 06:15:24,540
 the entire counsel with the same

8220
06:15:24,540 --> 06:15:26,900
 broad brush, but I will use, when I say counsel,

8221
06:15:26,900 --> 06:15:29,640
 the majority of counsel, has

8222
06:15:29,640 --> 06:15:35,810
 as used bill 185 as to hide behind.

8223
06:15:35,810 --> 06:15:39,420
 It's not appealable.

8224
06:15:39,420 --> 06:15:40,230
 - 30 seconds.

8225
06:15:40,230 --> 06:15:42,320
 - Not only use it as a shield, but use it as a

8226
06:15:42,320 --> 06:15:43,840
 sword.

8227
06:15:43,840 --> 06:15:46,710
 And that's a frustration for a lot of people,

8228
06:15:46,710 --> 06:15:48,880
 whether it's Pac Road,

8229
06:15:48,880 --> 06:15:52,850
 whether it is minimum distance separations,

8230
06:15:52,850 --> 06:15:58,190
 whether it is 30 stories rather than the 16,

8231
06:15:58,190 --> 06:16:03,250
 it takes away the checks and balances on you, on

8232
06:16:03,250 --> 06:16:03,690
 council.

8233
06:16:03,690 --> 06:16:05,850
 I thank you for your time.

8234
06:16:05,850 --> 06:16:07,960
 - Thank you.

8235
06:16:07,960 --> 06:16:10,970
 Okay, so I will go to committee.

8236
06:16:10,970 --> 06:16:14,860
 or go to the mayor.

8237
06:16:14,860 --> 06:16:18,240
 - Talk about this, I don't think about it.

8238
06:16:18,240 --> 06:16:19,440
 - Yeah, thanks, Chair.

8239
06:16:19,440 --> 06:16:22,570
 So I've read Councilor Raman's letter carefully

8240
06:16:22,570 --> 06:16:25,000
 and I'm prepared as a committee member

8241
06:16:25,000 --> 06:16:28,570
 to put a variation of the motion on the floor,

8242
06:16:28,570 --> 06:16:30,040
 which is a little bit different

8243
06:16:30,040 --> 06:16:32,230
 than what Councilor Raman proposes.

8244
06:16:32,230 --> 06:16:34,910
 So I'm happy to read it out.

8245
06:16:34,910 --> 06:16:36,060
 And then if there's a seconder,

8246
06:16:36,060 --> 06:16:37,420
 I can provide more rationale,

8247
06:16:37,420 --> 06:16:40,910
 but I've asked the clerk to load it into East

8248
06:16:40,910 --> 06:16:41,270
 grad.

8249
06:16:41,270 --> 06:16:42,660
 It'd be that municipal council

8250
06:16:42,660 --> 06:16:44,650
 endorse the following actions with respect to

8251
06:16:44,650 --> 06:16:45,450
 third party appeal

8252
06:16:45,450 --> 06:16:47,590
 mechanisms during the Ontario Land Tribunal

8253
06:16:47,590 --> 06:16:49,220
 process. A, the

8254
06:16:49,220 --> 06:16:51,330
 mayor be requested to write to the Association of

8255
06:16:51,330 --> 06:16:52,120
 Municipalities

8256
06:16:52,120 --> 06:16:54,730
 of Ontario requesting that I consider advocating

8257
06:16:54,730 --> 06:16:55,140
 for the

8258
06:16:55,140 --> 06:16:57,730
 restoration of a limited third party appeal

8259
06:16:57,730 --> 06:16:59,150
 mechanisms to the

8260
06:16:59,150 --> 06:17:01,880
 Ontario Land Tribunal. That one applies to

8261
06:17:01,880 --> 06:17:03,600
 individuals residing

8262
06:17:03,600 --> 06:17:05,260
 in the statutory notice area who have

8263
06:17:05,260 --> 06:17:06,200
 demonstrated prior

8264
06:17:06,200 --> 06:17:08,330
 participation in the municipal planning process.

8265
06:17:08,330 --> 06:17:10,380
 Two incorporates

8266
06:17:10,420 --> 06:17:13,660
 appropriate safeguards to discourage frivolous,

8267
06:17:13,660 --> 06:17:16,680
 vexatious, or delay-driven appeals.

8268
06:17:16,680 --> 06:17:19,600
 And three, supports the province's objective

8269
06:17:19,600 --> 06:17:21,800
 of facilitating timely and efficient housing

8270
06:17:21,800 --> 06:17:22,840
 development,

8271
06:17:22,840 --> 06:17:24,680
 and then B, the communication with Councilor

8272
06:17:24,680 --> 06:17:24,980
 Rahman,

8273
06:17:24,980 --> 06:17:27,440
 B, received, and then a note of all the

8274
06:17:27,440 --> 06:17:28,300
 communications.

8275
06:17:28,300 --> 06:17:30,480
 So I'm happy to put that on the floor.

8276
06:17:30,480 --> 06:17:33,000
 It's slightly different than what Councilor

8277
06:17:33,000 --> 06:17:33,770
 Rahman suggested,

8278
06:17:33,770 --> 06:17:35,980
 but I think provides a path forward

8279
06:17:35,980 --> 06:17:38,280
 for engaging with the wider network of

8280
06:17:38,280 --> 06:17:39,860
 municipalities on it.

8281
06:17:39,860 --> 06:17:40,670
 - Okay, thank you.

8282
06:17:40,670 --> 06:17:49,640
 I'll look for a seconder for that.

8283
06:17:49,640 --> 06:17:52,840
 I'm not seeing a seconder for your motion, Mayor.

8284
06:17:52,840 --> 06:17:53,620
 - That's fine.

8285
06:17:53,620 --> 06:17:54,400
 - Okay.

8286
06:17:54,400 --> 06:17:56,080
 - So we will go from there.

8287
06:17:56,080 --> 06:17:59,620
 I need a motion of some sort to deal with this.

8288
06:17:59,620 --> 06:18:01,220
 Motion to receive.

8289
06:18:01,220 --> 06:18:04,710
 - I will move the motion to receive.

8290
06:18:04,710 --> 06:18:07,330
 - Okay, Councillor or Deputy Mayor Lewis

8291
06:18:07,330 --> 06:18:10,910
 has a motion to receive and seconded by Councill

8292
06:18:10,910 --> 06:18:13,230
or Stevenson.

8293
06:18:13,230 --> 06:18:14,730
 And then we'll have discussion on that.

8294
06:18:14,730 --> 06:18:16,380
 So I'll go to committee first

8295
06:18:16,380 --> 06:18:22,330
 and then to visiting Councillors after that.

8296
06:18:22,330 --> 06:18:25,180
 John, it's for Deputy Mayor Lewis.

8297
06:18:25,180 --> 06:18:26,980
 - Chair, I'll start off, Chair.

8298
06:18:26,980 --> 06:18:28,500
 I'm gonna try not to use all my time

8299
06:18:28,500 --> 06:18:29,330
 'cause you still wanna come back,

8300
06:18:29,330 --> 06:18:35,340
 but I'm not supporting this request.

8301
06:18:35,340 --> 06:18:36,600
 First of all, I think what our delegate said

8302
06:18:36,600 --> 06:18:38,890
 about one municipality saying something to the

8303
06:18:38,890 --> 06:18:39,920
 provinces,

8304
06:18:39,920 --> 06:18:46,820
 it really is not going to go anywhere.

8305
06:18:46,820 --> 06:18:50,760
 Whatever label you wanna put on it,

8306
06:18:50,760 --> 06:18:54,330
 I don't think that it's of any value at all.

8307
06:18:54,330 --> 06:18:55,770
 And I didn't support the mayor's motion either

8308
06:18:55,770 --> 06:18:58,770
 because I think we have more than enough things

8309
06:18:58,770 --> 06:19:01,790
 we are advocating for the province with including

8310
06:19:01,790 --> 06:19:04,310
 at AMO and through AMO and I

8311
06:19:04,310 --> 06:19:06,980
 don't think that this is quite honestly something

8312
06:19:06,980 --> 06:19:08,200
 that should be seen as a

8313
06:19:08,200 --> 06:19:11,490
 priority in any way shape or form when we are

8314
06:19:11,490 --> 06:19:13,840
 trying to advocate for relief on

8315
06:19:13,840 --> 06:19:16,410
 homelessness when we are trying to advocate for

8316
06:19:16,410 --> 06:19:18,770
 infrastructure dollars even

8317
06:19:18,770 --> 06:19:21,730
 for support for things like the cost of leasing

8318
06:19:21,730 --> 06:19:25,480
 we need to save our ammunition

8319
06:19:25,480 --> 06:19:27,480
 and keep it dry so that when we ask AMO to take

8320
06:19:27,480 --> 06:19:29,180
 positions on issues they're

8321
06:19:29,180 --> 06:19:31,280
 are really substantive issues

8322
06:19:31,280 --> 06:19:35,070
 that are going to move the needle on things.

8323
06:19:35,070 --> 06:19:38,860
 You know, when we talk about public engagement,

8324
06:19:38,860 --> 06:19:45,440
 transparency, I think we've just been through

8325
06:19:45,440 --> 06:19:50,150
 six plus hours of public engagement.

8326
06:19:50,150 --> 06:19:51,840
 No other level of government

8327
06:19:51,840 --> 06:19:53,460
 is as transparent and accountable as the

8328
06:19:53,460 --> 06:19:55,490
 municipal government.

8329
06:19:55,490 --> 06:19:57,670
 You can't go to Queens Park or the House of

8330
06:19:57,670 --> 06:19:58,470
 Commons

8331
06:19:58,470 --> 06:20:00,390
 and get five minutes in the gallery

8332
06:20:00,390 --> 06:20:04,410
 to talk to your MPPs or your MPs.

8333
06:20:04,410 --> 06:20:05,650
 That's not a thing.

8334
06:20:05,650 --> 06:20:07,860
 You can't even go to a committee

8335
06:20:07,860 --> 06:20:11,140
 unless you have been sponsored

8336
06:20:11,140 --> 06:20:13,400
 by one of the parties to go to a committee to

8337
06:20:13,400 --> 06:20:14,110
 testify,

8338
06:20:14,110 --> 06:20:16,760
 and then approved by the committee chair in

8339
06:20:16,760 --> 06:20:17,640
 Parliament

8340
06:20:17,640 --> 06:20:20,400
 to actually come and be a witness.

8341
06:20:20,400 --> 06:20:21,620
 People don't even have to register

8342
06:20:21,620 --> 06:20:23,620
 to come and participate in a public participation

8343
06:20:23,620 --> 06:20:24,070
 meeting.

8344
06:20:24,070 --> 06:20:26,590
 And we saw a great number of people who came out

8345
06:20:26,590 --> 06:20:27,050
 today,

8346
06:20:27,050 --> 06:20:28,420
 as well as folks who wrote us,

8347
06:20:28,420 --> 06:20:30,060
 because for one reason or another,

8348
06:20:30,060 --> 06:20:31,600
 they weren't able to come today,

8349
06:20:31,600 --> 06:20:33,240
 or they felt their writing was a more comfortable

8350
06:20:33,240 --> 06:20:33,440
 thing

8351
06:20:33,440 --> 06:20:35,000
 for them, 'cause not everybody's comfortable

8352
06:20:35,000 --> 06:20:35,400
 standing up

8353
06:20:35,400 --> 06:20:38,810
 in front of Council or an audience

8354
06:20:38,810 --> 06:20:41,800
 and making their speech about why they are taking

8355
06:20:41,800 --> 06:20:42,160
 position

8356
06:20:42,160 --> 06:20:46,420
 on something and all of that's okay.

8357
06:20:46,420 --> 06:20:49,110
 But if we start advocating to add a third layer

8358
06:20:49,110 --> 06:20:52,350
 of approval bureaucracy and that's what an OLT

8359
06:20:52,350 --> 06:20:54,250
 appeal is.

8360
06:20:54,250 --> 06:20:55,680
 These aren't elected officials.

8361
06:20:55,680 --> 06:20:57,680
 They're appointees of the government.

8362
06:20:57,680 --> 06:21:00,180
 It's a bureaucratic process done through the

8363
06:21:00,180 --> 06:21:01,010
 Planning Act.

8364
06:21:01,010 --> 06:21:03,310
 I looked back over my time on Council

8365
06:21:03,310 --> 06:21:06,140
 prior to the appeal being removed.

8366
06:21:06,140 --> 06:21:08,420
 I couldn't find a single example

8367
06:21:08,420 --> 06:21:11,460
 where the OLT sided with a third party on an

8368
06:21:11,460 --> 06:21:13,390
 appeal

8369
06:21:13,390 --> 06:21:17,370
 of a decision made by the city council in London.

8370
06:21:17,370 --> 06:21:21,400
 These are not also equitable processes

8371
06:21:21,400 --> 06:21:24,430
 because they're not cost free.

8372
06:21:24,430 --> 06:21:26,200
 If you will on a seriously challenging

8373
06:21:26,200 --> 06:21:27,100
 application

8374
06:21:27,100 --> 06:21:29,830
 at the OLT, you're gonna need professional

8375
06:21:29,830 --> 06:21:30,220
 planners

8376
06:21:30,220 --> 06:21:32,590
 and lawyers to go over your submission, get that

8377
06:21:32,590 --> 06:21:33,160
 ready.

8378
06:21:33,160 --> 06:21:35,790
 You know, I've asked around, an OLT appeal

8379
06:21:35,790 --> 06:21:36,170
 roughly

8380
06:21:36,170 --> 06:21:38,250
 has a $50,000 bill.

8381
06:21:38,250 --> 06:21:40,190
 That might not be a big barrier to an affluent

8382
06:21:40,190 --> 06:21:40,730
 neighborhood,

8383
06:21:40,730 --> 06:21:42,650
 it certainly would be to a less affluent

8384
06:21:42,650 --> 06:21:45,530
 neighborhood. So it's not an equitable process

8385
06:21:45,530 --> 06:21:45,880
 either.

8386
06:21:45,880 --> 06:21:48,890
 I don't think we should be championing this. And

8387
06:21:48,890 --> 06:21:54,230
 frankly, it passes the BOC to the province

8388
06:21:54,230 --> 06:21:58,140
 and to a third and to a tribunal. I think that

8389
06:21:58,140 --> 06:22:00,320
 the decisions the BOC should stop with us. We

8390
06:22:00,320 --> 06:22:04,710
 should be keeping decisions local. We should be

8391
06:22:04,710 --> 06:22:07,570
 listening to the community as well as to our

8392
06:22:07,570 --> 06:22:09,400
 planners and as well as to the planners on the

8393
06:22:09,400 --> 06:22:12,700
 other side of the application. But when it's kept

8394
06:22:12,700 --> 06:22:14,570
 local, there's accountability. When it goes to

8395
06:22:14,570 --> 06:22:19,220
 the OLT, there's no accountability. It is not

8396
06:22:19,220 --> 06:22:22,650
 something that I think we should be using our

8397
06:22:22,650 --> 06:22:27,580
 limited advocacy debit card or bank account or

8398
06:22:27,580 --> 06:22:29,670
 ammunition, whatever you want to call it. The

8399
06:22:29,670 --> 06:22:31,310
 mayor can only go and ask for so many things.

8400
06:22:31,310 --> 06:22:34,110
 Able can only go and ask for so many things. And

8401
06:22:34,110 --> 06:22:36,740
 the province has been really clear on this.

8402
06:22:36,740 --> 06:22:40,100
 They're not interested in having long delays and

8403
06:22:40,100 --> 06:22:43,330
 frivolous appeals. You know, frankly, to my mind,

8404
06:22:43,330 --> 06:22:44,980
 I heard somebody today who came and said that

8405
06:22:44,980 --> 06:22:46,820
 they weren't a member of the community, but they

8406
06:22:46,820 --> 06:22:46,920
 were

8407
06:22:46,820 --> 06:22:49,390
 they were gonna speak to something anyway.

8408
06:22:49,390 --> 06:22:51,550
 That's the type of frivolous appeals that we used

8409
06:22:51,550 --> 06:22:53,540
 to see.

8410
06:22:53,540 --> 06:22:55,620
 We've got a London resident who used to appeal

8411
06:22:55,620 --> 06:22:56,880
 everything,

8412
06:22:56,880 --> 06:22:59,020
 the council approved.

8413
06:22:59,020 --> 06:23:01,220
 Now, a number of them would get thrown out,

8414
06:23:01,220 --> 06:23:03,480
 but we've got a resident in downtown London

8415
06:23:03,480 --> 06:23:06,050
 or who used to regularly appeal things--

8416
06:23:06,050 --> 06:23:08,110
 - Point of, well, I can't make it,

8417
06:23:08,110 --> 06:23:11,340
 but he's getting very close to--

8418
06:23:11,340 --> 06:23:12,160
 - Thank you.

8419
06:23:12,160 --> 06:23:13,840
 - Just to me, this is what we have to do.

8420
06:23:13,840 --> 06:23:16,250
 - Hold on a second, Deputy Mayor.

8421
06:23:19,260 --> 06:23:24,290
 - Okay, just Deputy Mayor, I just wanna let you

8422
06:23:24,290 --> 06:23:24,390
 know

8423
06:23:24,290 --> 06:23:33,130
 that we've got, we're at four minutes and 30

8424
06:23:33,130 --> 06:23:33,700
 seconds.

8425
06:23:33,700 --> 06:23:35,500
 So I just wanted to give you that time up there.

8426
06:23:35,500 --> 06:23:37,110
 Please go ahead.

8427
06:23:37,110 --> 06:23:38,950
 - Yeah, so that's, I was actually getting to the

8428
06:23:38,950 --> 06:23:40,600
 point of

8429
06:23:40,600 --> 06:23:42,450
 who defines frivolous?

8430
06:23:42,450 --> 06:23:44,110
 I don't think this is where we should be spending

8431
06:23:44,110 --> 06:23:45,660
 our time and energy.

8432
06:23:45,660 --> 06:23:48,670
 Let's keep the decisions local.

8433
06:23:48,670 --> 06:23:49,490
 - Okay, thank you.

8434
06:23:49,490 --> 06:23:51,300
 I'll go to other committee members first

8435
06:23:51,300 --> 06:23:52,930
 before I go to other Councilors, Councillor

8436
06:23:52,930 --> 06:23:53,960
 Stevenson.

8437
06:23:53,960 --> 06:23:54,800
 - Thank you.

8438
06:23:54,800 --> 06:23:56,110
 I'll just say I'm not supportive.

8439
06:23:56,110 --> 06:23:58,380
 I wasn't in support of anything to do with this.

8440
06:23:58,380 --> 06:24:00,930
 either to tell the province what they should do

8441
06:24:00,930 --> 06:24:03,120
 or not to do what they just did.

8442
06:24:03,120 --> 06:24:05,740
 It's very clear the direction that they're moving

8443
06:24:05,740 --> 06:24:05,840
.

8444
06:24:05,740 --> 06:24:08,890
 So it really is toothless, as was said.

8445
06:24:08,890 --> 06:24:12,590
 I also would prefer to focus on what we can do.

8446
06:24:12,590 --> 06:24:15,770
 So there were opportunities for us

8447
06:24:15,770 --> 06:24:17,990
 to involve the public more in our Heights

8448
06:24:17,990 --> 06:24:19,040
 framework review

8449
06:24:19,040 --> 06:24:21,340
 and give them the opportunity to have a say early

8450
06:24:21,340 --> 06:24:23,370
 before we're fighting over developments

8451
06:24:23,370 --> 06:24:24,970
 that neighborhoods don't want.

8452
06:24:24,970 --> 06:24:28,070
 We as a council could have involved them early

8453
06:24:28,070 --> 06:24:29,660
 so that there were no surprises.

8454
06:24:29,660 --> 06:24:31,840
 They knew what was approved in their

8455
06:24:31,840 --> 06:24:32,940
 neighborhoods.

8456
06:24:32,940 --> 06:24:36,370
 And we also, it says in the letter,

8457
06:24:36,370 --> 06:24:38,320
 the limited ability of residents to seek

8458
06:24:38,320 --> 06:24:39,670
 independent review

8459
06:24:39,670 --> 06:24:42,340
 of planning decisions that directly affect them,

8460
06:24:42,340 --> 06:24:44,720
 well, were the elected representatives?

8461
06:24:44,720 --> 06:24:47,510
 So if even if our policies say

8462
06:24:47,510 --> 06:24:50,410
 that you can build an eight story in an area

8463
06:24:50,410 --> 06:24:53,850
 and staff do recommend it, council can say no.

8464
06:24:53,850 --> 06:24:56,120
 And then it can go to OLT,

8465
06:24:56,120 --> 06:24:59,340
 but we will be the representatives of the

8466
06:24:59,340 --> 06:25:00,140
 residents

8467
06:25:00,140 --> 06:25:02,010
 and make the decision early.

8468
06:25:02,010 --> 06:25:04,990
 And to me, that's where our power is,

8469
06:25:04,990 --> 06:25:07,860
 is to be that voice and to make the decisions

8470
06:25:07,860 --> 06:25:10,960
 and let the issues at OLT be fought there.

8471
06:25:10,960 --> 06:25:14,190
 So I prefer to focus around the power

8472
06:25:14,190 --> 06:25:16,780
 that we have around this horseshoe.

8473
06:25:16,780 --> 06:25:20,080
 It's a lot more than I think we have utilized

8474
06:25:20,080 --> 06:25:23,200
 and I think we get to make the changes ourselves

8475
06:25:23,200 --> 06:25:25,460
 to look after our residents.

8476
06:25:25,460 --> 06:25:28,610
 - Okay, I'll look for other comments from Council

8477
06:25:28,610 --> 06:25:31,110
 Robin.

8478
06:25:31,110 --> 06:25:33,210
 - Thank you Chair.

8479
06:25:33,210 --> 06:25:36,730
 So I'll start with, my request was for council to

8480
06:25:36,730 --> 06:25:37,210
 support

8481
06:25:37,210 --> 06:25:39,570
 advocacy to the province regarding recent changes

8482
06:25:39,570 --> 06:25:42,450
 to the Ontario land tribunal process.

8483
06:25:42,450 --> 06:25:44,620
 On this issue of timing, to me, this is no

8484
06:25:44,620 --> 06:25:45,080
 different

8485
06:25:45,080 --> 06:25:47,760
 than any letter I've written or co-signed

8486
06:25:47,760 --> 06:25:50,880
 on things like ARUs, one-to-one parking,

8487
06:25:50,880 --> 06:25:53,640
 in the Heights review, when I brought a motion to

8488
06:25:53,640 --> 06:25:55,320
 refer it.

8489
06:25:55,320 --> 06:25:57,570
 Specifically, I'm asking that the mayor send a

8490
06:25:57,570 --> 06:25:57,950
 letter

8491
06:25:57,950 --> 06:26:00,610
 to the province requesting reconsideration

8492
06:26:00,610 --> 06:26:03,360
 of the removal of third party appeal rights under

8493
06:26:03,360 --> 06:26:04,890
 bill 185.

8494
06:26:04,890 --> 06:26:06,680
 This aligns with similar advocacy

8495
06:26:06,680 --> 06:26:08,200
 already undertaken by Windsor,

8496
06:26:08,200 --> 06:26:10,240
 and this is an opportunity for London to show

8497
06:26:10,240 --> 06:26:10,840
 leadership

8498
06:26:10,840 --> 06:26:12,160
 and solidarity.

8499
06:26:12,160 --> 06:26:14,840
 I wanna be clear, I support the province's goals

8500
06:26:14,840 --> 06:26:16,840
 of looking at increasing housing supply

8501
06:26:16,840 --> 06:26:19,150
 and improving planning efficiency,

8502
06:26:19,150 --> 06:26:22,710
 but these objectives are not mutually exclusive.

8503
06:26:22,710 --> 06:26:24,710
 The removal of third party appeal rights

8504
06:26:24,710 --> 06:26:26,870
 has significantly reduced opportunities

8505
06:26:26,870 --> 06:26:29,060
 for meaningful public participation in planning

8506
06:26:29,060 --> 06:26:29,620
 decisions.

8507
06:26:29,620 --> 06:26:32,860
 Previously, residents who engaged in good faith

8508
06:26:32,860 --> 06:26:34,580
 through written or oral submissions

8509
06:26:34,580 --> 06:26:36,780
 could seek an independent review at the OLT.

8510
06:26:36,780 --> 06:26:39,330
 That layer of accountability has now been removed

8511
06:26:39,330 --> 06:26:39,580
.

8512
06:26:39,580 --> 06:26:41,530
 Residents now have fewer avenues

8513
06:26:41,530 --> 06:26:42,970
 to raise legitimate concerns,

8514
06:26:42,970 --> 06:26:44,930
 but local impacts such as infrastructure,

8515
06:26:44,930 --> 06:26:46,970
 compatibility, and neighborhood context.

8516
06:26:46,970 --> 06:26:49,490
 And this has led to frustration and decline

8517
06:26:49,490 --> 06:26:51,200
 in public trust in both municipal

8518
06:26:51,200 --> 06:26:54,240
 and provincial decision-making processes.

8519
06:26:54,240 --> 06:26:56,400
 I'm not asking for a return to an open-ended

8520
06:26:56,400 --> 06:26:57,000
 system.

8521
06:26:57,000 --> 06:26:59,560
 I'm asking the province to consider a balanced

8522
06:26:59,560 --> 06:27:00,360
 approach,

8523
06:27:00,360 --> 06:27:02,870
 such as allowing appeals only from individuals

8524
06:27:02,870 --> 06:27:05,030
 or organizations who have demonstrated prior

8525
06:27:05,030 --> 06:27:05,990
 engagement

8526
06:27:05,990 --> 06:27:08,870
 including safeguards to prevent frivolous

8527
06:27:08,870 --> 06:27:11,910
 or delayed-driven appeals, and that public

8528
06:27:11,910 --> 06:27:12,350
 confidence

8529
06:27:12,350 --> 06:27:16,220
 is a critical path to success for a planning

8530
06:27:16,220 --> 06:27:17,380
 system overall.

8531
06:27:17,380 --> 06:27:19,620
 When residents feel heard and have access

8532
06:27:19,620 --> 06:27:22,180
 to fair review mechanisms, outcomes are stronger

8533
06:27:22,180 --> 06:27:24,370
 and more widely supported.

8534
06:27:24,370 --> 06:27:25,710
 I'm asking my colleagues,

8535
06:27:25,710 --> 06:27:28,410
 I know you're just receiving this at this point,

8536
06:27:28,410 --> 06:27:31,450
 to consider a council to support this request for

8537
06:27:31,450 --> 06:27:32,110
 advocacy.

8538
06:27:32,110 --> 06:27:34,060
 This is about striking the right balance

8539
06:27:34,060 --> 06:27:35,680
 between building homes quickly

8540
06:27:35,680 --> 06:27:38,190
 and maintaining transparency, accountability

8541
06:27:38,190 --> 06:27:39,900
 and meaningful public engagement.

8542
06:27:39,900 --> 06:27:41,090
 Thank you.

8543
06:27:41,090 --> 06:27:41,900
 - Thank you.

8544
06:27:41,900 --> 06:27:45,720
 I look for other speakers, Councilor Trussoff.

8545
06:27:45,720 --> 06:27:47,560
 - Thank you very much.

8546
06:27:47,560 --> 06:27:50,670
 As somebody who has represented community

8547
06:27:50,670 --> 06:27:52,350
 organizations

8548
06:27:52,350 --> 06:27:55,610
 at the OMB, such as it used to be called,

8549
06:27:55,610 --> 06:28:00,090
 gratis, I can tell you that if there is a will

8550
06:28:00,090 --> 06:28:04,070
 to prepare your case and go to the OMB

8551
06:28:04,070 --> 06:28:07,160
 or the LPAT or the OLT,

8552
06:28:07,160 --> 06:28:11,340
 as it's now called, you can do it.

8553
06:28:11,340 --> 06:28:16,560
 Taking away third party appeals,

8554
06:28:16,560 --> 06:28:18,840
 it's an access to justice issue.

8555
06:28:18,840 --> 06:28:21,070
 It's closing the courthouse door.

8556
06:28:21,070 --> 06:28:24,370
 It's telling citizens, it's telling residents

8557
06:28:24,370 --> 06:28:27,820
 that you can come in to the courthouse,

8558
06:28:27,820 --> 06:28:30,120
 not really a courthouse, it's not judicial,

8559
06:28:30,120 --> 06:28:31,920
 but it's quasi judicial.

8560
06:28:31,920 --> 06:28:35,810
 So I'm gonna use the courthouse metaphor here.

8561
06:28:35,810 --> 06:28:37,890
 You can't come on into the courthouse.

8562
06:28:37,890 --> 06:28:40,390
 You're not the right person.

8563
06:28:40,390 --> 06:28:42,390
 Somebody who's got a different position than you

8564
06:28:42,390 --> 06:28:42,990
 can come.

8565
06:28:42,990 --> 06:28:45,790
 And it's used as a club, boy, you said it.

8566
06:28:45,790 --> 06:28:47,300
 It's used as a club.

8567
06:28:47,300 --> 06:28:50,560
 So many times we're said, well, we better not

8568
06:28:50,560 --> 06:28:51,630
 really oppose this,

8569
06:28:51,630 --> 06:28:56,100
 because if you do, the applicant can go to the OL

8570
06:28:56,100 --> 06:28:56,600
T

8571
06:28:57,030 --> 06:29:01,810
 or and we'll lose, maybe we won't,

8572
06:29:01,810 --> 06:29:04,580
 but to tell citizens, residents,

8573
06:29:04,580 --> 06:29:07,040
 that they cannot have access

8574
06:29:07,040 --> 06:29:09,130
 to a fundamental part of our judicial,

8575
06:29:09,130 --> 06:29:13,550
 what is our judicial system, it's an abomination.

8576
06:29:13,550 --> 06:29:16,590
 And we have an obligation as a city

8577
06:29:16,590 --> 06:29:20,560
 who's representing our residents to act on their

8578
06:29:20,560 --> 06:29:20,870
 behalf.

8579
06:29:20,870 --> 06:29:22,440
 And we don't always act on their behalf

8580
06:29:22,440 --> 06:29:25,860
 'cause sometimes we take a contrary position

8581
06:29:25,860 --> 06:29:27,320
 to our planning decisions,

8582
06:29:27,320 --> 06:29:29,680
 to what people in the community want.

8583
06:29:29,680 --> 06:29:32,030
 And that's okay, that's part of the quasi-

8584
06:29:32,030 --> 06:29:34,190
judicial process.

8585
06:29:34,190 --> 06:29:37,340
 That's part of how courts and administrative

8586
06:29:37,340 --> 06:29:37,940
 agencies

8587
06:29:37,940 --> 06:29:41,290
 work under the rule of law.

8588
06:29:41,290 --> 06:29:44,700
 But to say that certain people, based on their

8589
06:29:44,700 --> 06:29:45,680
 status,

8590
06:29:45,680 --> 06:29:48,560
 cannot participate in that process.

8591
06:29:48,560 --> 06:29:52,000
 That is just as somebody who's spent my adult

8592
06:29:52,000 --> 06:29:52,670
 life

8593
06:29:52,670 --> 06:29:55,480
 studying or practicing or teaching

8594
06:29:55,480 --> 06:29:59,620
 or just these days just talking about law,

8595
06:29:59,620 --> 06:30:03,550
 I just find it very, very difficult.

8596
06:30:03,550 --> 06:30:08,560
 I am gonna fight very hard to restore the rights

8597
06:30:08,560 --> 06:30:12,370
 of our residents to go to this administrative

8598
06:30:12,370 --> 06:30:13,240
 agency.

8599
06:30:13,240 --> 06:30:15,210
 And I think the city should be supporting them.

8600
06:30:15,210 --> 06:30:17,240
 And to hear my colleagues say,

8601
06:30:17,240 --> 06:30:20,060
 "Well, this is contrary to the need to build

8602
06:30:20,060 --> 06:30:21,220
 housing."

8603
06:30:21,220 --> 06:30:22,890
 We're, that's not right.

8604
06:30:22,890 --> 06:30:24,830
 That's not what we're balancing here.

8605
06:30:24,830 --> 06:30:29,930
 We're balancing the different stakeholders.

8606
06:30:29,930 --> 06:30:31,550
 And we are privileging.

8607
06:30:31,550 --> 06:30:34,440
 We are privileging a particular class of

8608
06:30:34,440 --> 06:30:35,200
 stakeholders.

8609
06:30:35,200 --> 06:30:38,600
 And believe me, if this went to a court

8610
06:30:38,600 --> 06:30:41,280
 on due process grounds, there'd be a very, very

8611
06:30:41,280 --> 06:30:42,940
 shaky

8612
06:30:42,940 --> 06:30:46,940
 justification for abolishing third party appeals.

8613
06:30:46,940 --> 06:30:48,850
 So I'm glad this came up.

8614
06:30:48,850 --> 06:30:51,910
 Now I do wanna say that there recently has been

8615
06:30:51,910 --> 06:30:56,170
 an Auditor General's report on this agency.

8616
06:30:56,170 --> 06:30:57,800
 And it's not pretty.

8617
06:30:57,800 --> 06:30:59,200
 This Auditor General's report,

8618
06:30:59,200 --> 06:31:02,630
 and I don't know how much attention it will get,

8619
06:31:02,630 --> 06:31:04,970
 talks about a lot of reforms that are needed

8620
06:31:04,970 --> 06:31:06,900
 at the OLT.

8621
06:31:06,900 --> 06:31:08,990
 This is one of them.

8622
06:31:08,990 --> 06:31:12,610
 So we need to take a broad look at how is the

8623
06:31:12,610 --> 06:31:14,370
 process

8624
06:31:14,370 --> 06:31:17,110
 of the OLT in terms of how it's been defined

8625
06:31:17,110 --> 06:31:19,830
 by this provincial government?

8626
06:31:19,830 --> 06:31:22,920
 How is this skewing not only the land use

8627
06:31:22,920 --> 06:31:24,780
 decisions we make,

8628
06:31:24,780 --> 06:31:28,140
 but the willingness of our residents to come and

8629
06:31:28,140 --> 06:31:28,650
 talk to us?

8630
06:31:28,650 --> 06:31:32,570
 Because I think what it results in is this view

8631
06:31:32,570 --> 06:31:36,220
 that the system is not for me.

8632
06:31:36,220 --> 06:31:38,840
 The system is for paid lobbyists.

8633
06:31:38,840 --> 06:31:40,040
 They know what they're doing.

8634
06:31:40,040 --> 06:31:42,560
 They have the funding, but it's not for me.

8635
06:31:42,560 --> 06:31:45,730
 We have to make our justice system all parts of

8636
06:31:45,730 --> 06:31:46,350
 it,

8637
06:31:46,350 --> 06:31:48,980
 not just the courts, but the administrative

8638
06:31:48,980 --> 06:31:49,580
 agencies

8639
06:31:49,580 --> 06:31:52,120
 accessible to all of our residents,

8640
06:31:52,120 --> 06:31:55,080
 and we owe them that as a city.

8641
06:31:55,080 --> 06:31:56,300
 - Thank you.

8642
06:31:56,300 --> 06:32:01,270
 - Okay, any other councilor Provost?

8643
06:32:01,270 --> 06:32:02,110
 - Thank you.

8644
06:32:02,110 --> 06:32:03,270
 So when I go through my notes when I was

8645
06:32:03,270 --> 06:32:03,820
 preparing them,

8646
06:32:03,820 --> 06:32:07,090
 I'm not gonna repeat what the Pierre Mayor Lewis

8647
06:32:07,090 --> 06:32:09,000
 and what Council Stevenson said.

8648
06:32:09,000 --> 06:32:11,090
 I would say you have exactly the same words,

8649
06:32:11,090 --> 06:32:12,790
 like pass the back, et cetera.

8650
06:32:12,790 --> 06:32:14,660
 But I do want to say this,

8651
06:32:14,660 --> 06:32:16,930
 that we have the one housing policy,

8652
06:32:16,930 --> 06:32:19,080
 provincial policy building policy,

8653
06:32:19,080 --> 06:32:23,190
 which our staff is evaluating according to such

8654
06:32:23,190 --> 06:32:24,060
 policies.

8655
06:32:24,060 --> 06:32:29,490
 OLT in my, not sorry,

8656
06:32:29,490 --> 06:32:31,840
 in my information when I look into it,

8657
06:32:31,840 --> 06:32:35,100
 they evaluate it exactly to the same policy.

8658
06:32:35,100 --> 06:32:37,520
 If I go back three and a half years ago,

8659
06:32:37,520 --> 06:32:39,980
 How many great projects we have approved?

8660
06:32:39,980 --> 06:32:42,330
 How many times do we have a gallery full

8661
06:32:42,330 --> 06:32:45,570
 and they were against it?

8662
06:32:45,570 --> 06:32:46,390
 They were against it.

8663
06:32:46,390 --> 06:32:50,140
 So all these projects, they would be stuck at

8664
06:32:50,140 --> 06:32:50,730
 loyalty

8665
06:32:50,730 --> 06:32:53,430
 for eight, 12, 14, 16 months.

8666
06:32:53,430 --> 06:32:54,860
 Where is our economy?

8667
06:32:54,860 --> 06:32:55,990
 Where are the jobs?

8668
06:32:55,990 --> 06:32:58,770
 Where is the cost for housing?

8669
06:32:58,770 --> 06:33:01,130
 All those are gone.

8670
06:33:01,130 --> 06:33:02,910
 And we need it.

8671
06:33:02,910 --> 06:33:04,620
 I hope we stay on this track.

8672
06:33:04,620 --> 06:33:07,310
 We need to do involvement of locally.

8673
06:33:07,310 --> 06:33:09,170
 Absolutely, do we need to do more?

8674
06:33:09,170 --> 06:33:13,520
 Whatever we can, within our power, absolutely.

8675
06:33:13,520 --> 06:33:15,220
 Should we pass the back to someone else

8676
06:33:15,220 --> 06:33:16,970
 and to just say to the residents,

8677
06:33:16,970 --> 06:33:18,950
 hey, we did our job, no, we didn't.

8678
06:33:18,950 --> 06:33:20,970
 To the right, I'll let it to lobby, that's not a

8679
06:33:20,970 --> 06:33:21,890
 job.

8680
06:33:21,890 --> 06:33:24,320
 It's the job to get it done right here.

8681
06:33:24,320 --> 06:33:25,230
 We need it, look at this.

8682
06:33:25,230 --> 06:33:27,100
 We need the housing, we need affordability.

8683
06:33:27,100 --> 06:33:28,140
 When we have it in place,

8684
06:33:28,140 --> 06:33:29,840
 we can go back to the federal government.

8685
06:33:29,840 --> 06:33:30,680
 Guess what?

8686
06:33:30,680 --> 06:33:32,230
 We need more international students.

8687
06:33:32,230 --> 06:33:33,060
 Guess what?

8688
06:33:33,060 --> 06:33:35,470
 All those instructors that have been put on leaf

8689
06:33:35,470 --> 06:33:36,090
 laid off,

8690
06:33:36,090 --> 06:33:37,200
 we need them back.

8691
06:33:37,200 --> 06:33:40,040
 This, we are under, I believe we are on the right

8692
06:33:40,040 --> 06:33:40,360
 path

8693
06:33:40,360 --> 06:33:43,150
 as long as we get, again, look at today,

8694
06:33:43,150 --> 06:33:46,240
 perfect example of today's session of the pack.

8695
06:33:46,240 --> 06:33:48,420
 I know it wasn't like that every day, every pack

8696
06:33:48,420 --> 06:33:48,850
 session,

8697
06:33:48,850 --> 06:33:50,630
 but again, look at back.

8698
06:33:50,630 --> 06:33:54,620
 We approved some great things, which again,

8699
06:33:54,620 --> 06:33:57,550
 we had gallery full, and guess what?

8700
06:33:57,550 --> 06:34:00,860
 12, 18, 19 months ago, we wouldn't have a result

8701
06:34:00,860 --> 06:34:01,530
 yet.

8702
06:34:01,530 --> 06:34:03,320
 And we don't have, as I said, I said it once,

8703
06:34:03,320 --> 06:34:04,900
 but I'm gonna say it again, where's the

8704
06:34:04,900 --> 06:34:06,850
 affordability housing?

8705
06:34:06,850 --> 06:34:09,790
 Where is the, where is our economy?

8706
06:34:09,790 --> 06:34:10,860
 Where are the jobs?

8707
06:34:10,860 --> 06:34:11,690
 No, we need that.

8708
06:34:11,690 --> 06:34:13,670
 Look at our economic indicators.

8709
06:34:13,670 --> 06:34:15,250
 They certainly are not stellar.

8710
06:34:15,250 --> 06:34:19,220
 So I will certainly not support this at the

8711
06:34:19,220 --> 06:34:20,080
 council.

8712
06:34:20,080 --> 06:34:21,950
 Do I want us to look into other options?

8713
06:34:21,950 --> 06:34:22,780
 Absolutely.

8714
06:34:22,780 --> 06:34:23,610
 Can we be better?

8715
06:34:23,610 --> 06:34:24,720
 We can always be better.

8716
06:34:24,720 --> 06:34:26,900
 But let's focus on ourselves instead of passing

8717
06:34:26,900 --> 06:34:27,420
 the buck

8718
06:34:27,420 --> 06:34:30,910
 and just sending a letter or asking our mayor to

8719
06:34:30,910 --> 06:34:32,280
 lobby.

8720
06:34:32,280 --> 06:34:34,400
 Thank you.

8721
06:34:34,400 --> 06:34:37,620
 - Okay, I'll look for any other speakers.

8722
06:34:37,620 --> 06:34:39,650
 Everyone's been heard.

8723
06:34:39,650 --> 06:34:41,540
 We have a motion moved and seconded and we will

8724
06:34:41,540 --> 06:35:00,140
 call the vote.

8725
06:35:00,140 --> 06:35:02,300
 - Closing the vote, the motion carries three to

8726
06:35:02,300 --> 06:35:03,510
 two.

8727
06:35:03,510 --> 06:35:04,290
 - Thank you.

8728
06:35:04,290 --> 06:35:11,410
 That leaves, what do we have?

8729
06:35:11,410 --> 06:35:13,040
 Okay, deferred matters.

8730
06:35:13,040 --> 06:35:16,880
 Just, I'll just look for someone to accept

8731
06:35:16,880 --> 06:35:19,490
 the deferred matters motion.

8732
06:35:19,490 --> 06:35:21,240
 We don't have any deferred matters.

8733
06:35:21,240 --> 06:35:22,110
 - Not on this.

8734
06:35:22,110 --> 06:35:22,920
 - Not on this, okay.

8735
06:35:22,920 --> 06:35:24,080
 So we don't have to do that.

8736
06:35:24,080 --> 06:35:25,150
 - Perfect.

8737
06:35:25,150 --> 06:35:27,670
 - Good, that leaves a German.

8738
06:35:27,670 --> 06:35:29,820
 Councilor Stephen, are you moving to adjourn?

8739
06:35:29,820 --> 06:35:33,440
 Seconded by Councilor Cuddy, hand vote.

8740
06:35:33,440 --> 06:35:39,210
 Thanks everyone that Councillors for a rather

8741
06:35:39,210 --> 06:35:40,020
 long session.

8742
06:35:40,020 --> 06:35:42,330
 Thank you.